Episode 5261: The Mutiny In NATO

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Episode 5261: The Mutiny In NATO

Date: March 31, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Ben Harnwell (Rome-based international affairs analyst), David Zier (War Room Pentagon correspondent)
Main Theme:
An in-depth discussion of the growing fractures within NATO and among traditional U.S. allies during the ongoing Middle East conflict, with a focus on Europe's reluctance to share military and financial burdens, the reaction of Arab allies, and the consequences for American strategy and global security.

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Episode Overview

This urgent and combative episode centers on what Steve Bannon characterizes as a "mutiny" among NATO and U.S. allies amidst a widening Middle Eastern war. Bannon and his guests analyze European countries’ reluctance to participate militarily or financially, the impact on U.S. operations and logistics, and the broader implications, including the strain on U.S. military resources and the future of U.S.-European alliances. The episode also touches on the ways American domestic policy and financial security are affected by the global turmoil.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The State of Allied (Non)Support

[00:51 – 09:35]

• Bannon’s Rant on Allied Burden-Sharing:
  Bannon opens by venting frustration at the lack of concrete commitments from allies, referencing historical U.S. support in World Wars and the Cold War:

  • “We've underwritten this, and as President Trump said...if the number’s $200 billion, we want the hat to add up to $200 billion. And by the way, we want to see where your armies are.” [02:24]

• Gulf States and Israel Holding Back:
  Trump has pushed Arab states to fund and staff the campaign, but they are refusing boots on the ground; Israel pleads overcommitment due to Lebanon.

  • “Israel came back yesterday...officials said we got our hands full in this ground war in Lebanon. We're not going to be of any help. But thanks for, you know, thanks for asking, but...no combat troops.” [03:47]

• Europe’s Stand-Back Position:
  Bannon singles out European nations, especially Spain and Italy, for obstruction:

  • “The British are in the mumble tank. Nothing happening there. France, nothing happening there. The Italians, the Spanish...the Spanish are going out of their way to kind of hurt us...” [04:38]

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2. A Breakdown of the "Mutiny": Dumping Treasuries and Blocking U.S. Military Movement

[06:36 – 13:27]

• European Financial Pushback:

  • Ben Harnwell notes $82 billion in U.S. Treasuries have been sold by allies like Turkey and India post-February 25th.
    • “Since February 25th...nations have sold $82 billion worth of treasuries. Now, it's difficult to pinpoint who exactly has been doing this.” – Ben Harnwell [07:23]

• Spanish and Italian Airspace/Bases Closure:

  • Spain has forbidden U.S. military use of joint bases and airspace for operations in the Middle East, complicating logistics.
    • “Spain has closed its airspace to US military flights heading to the Middle East.” – Ben Harnwell [08:58]
  • Italy, under Meloni, cites procedural grounds for denying U.S. bomber landings, seen as thin political cover.
    • “Italy said no. And Italy cited its treaties with the US. There is a legitimate question...why the Department for War hadn't put in the phone calls...But beyond that, it's simply a procedural excuse masking a political refusal.” – Ben Harnwell [24:46]

• Significance:

  • Bannon and Harnwell stress this is an unprecedented step for supposed “allies,” equating airspace closures to acts associated with military antagonism.
    • “Closing your airspace to another country is what you do in military conflict...you don't block airspace to your own allies.” – Ben Harnwell [11:51]

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3. Broader Strategic and Political Implications

[13:27 – 27:11]

• Alliance Strains and the Ghost of Ukraine:

  • European reluctance is attributed to political unpopularity and prior strategic overcommitments, mainly in Ukraine.
  • “They realize that getting their countries involved in a third Gulf War in as many decades is politically suicidal.” – Ben Harnwell [39:58]

• Unintended Consequences:

  • European nations’ military capacity for the Middle East is diminished by commitments to Ukraine, especially Patriot missile systems.
    • “Nobody...has excess capacity anymore because it's all been used up in Ukraine.” – Ben Harnwell [48:03]

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4. U.S. On-the-Ground Military Realities and Troop Protection

[16:29 – 39:07]

• Operational Readiness and Logistics:

  • Bannon and Pentagon correspondent David Zier discuss intensive training, dynamic targeting, and the heightened pace of operations (thousands of sorties and targets in the first month).
    • “The tempo here is pretty astounding. 30 days into this, I think it's 11 or 12,000 sorties...another 3,500 or 4,000 go and they're always coming up.” – Steve Bannon [16:30]

• Bunker, Air Defense, and Dispersal:

  • U.S. military is prioritizing dispersion and fortification due to the threat of Iranian drones and missiles, but the risk to expensive assets remains.
    • “...the defense of our troops and our assets is max. I will say on some of those other assets...one of the biggest principles you learn in the military is to not set predictable patterns.” [30:39 – 32:08]
  • “You go to war with the army you have, not with the one you wish you had.” – David Zier recalling Rumsfeld, expressing concern for troop safety [32:20]

• Media/Military Communication:

  • Questions arise regarding the Pentagon’s reluctance to share specifics for operational security and how much the American public is told.
    • “A little bit, we're all kind of in the fog of war here and a little bit of an abyss...” – Steve Bannon [33:57]

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5. Where Does the Coalition Go from Here? Competing Assessments

[39:18 – 41:38]

• Trump’s Options and Pressure on Allies:
  • Trump reportedly seeks European and Arab “step up,” threatening to pull back U.S. protection as leverage.
    • “The President's laid it out today. He's saying...It's time now for somebody to pick up the slack. And he's looking for NATO...” – Steve Bannon [27:11]
• Optimism vs. Realism:
  • David Zier is “pretty optimistic” Europe will eventually help, while Harnwell is “doubtful,” seeing only limited bilateral cooperation at best.
    • “Frankly, I find it difficult that the President's going to succeed in getting any sort of bilateral agreements country by country to come on board on this.” – Ben Harnwell [39:58]
    • “I think there will be some success for Donald Trump in putting together a coalition to target this. But how many weeks out will oil hit $150 plus? There's a lot of questions here...” – David Zier [37:02]

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6. Economic and Geopolitical Fallout

[41:38 – 50:49]

• Energy Markets and American Patience:

  • The crisis is driving up oil prices, with further hikes threatened if Europe does not step up.
    • “Brent oil is $118 a barrel right now. It's going to go higher if they don't see. If President Trump says, hey, look, it's your problem. You got to step up here also...” – Steve Bannon [41:39]

• Ukraine’s Diminishing Leverage:

  • Zelensky's attempts to make Ukraine relevant to the conflict are seen as faltering amid Western fatigue.
    • “President Zelensky has been...trying desperately to insert himself into this narrative as well, and largely failing.” – Ben Harnwell [48:03]

• Strategic Exhaustion of the West:

  • Previous commitments to Ukraine have left major allies stretched too thin to immediately support U.S. operations elsewhere.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon, setting the tone:
  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.” [00:02]
• Ben Harnwell, on Spain’s airspace ban:
  “Closing your airspace to another country is what you do in military conflict...you don't block airspace to your own allies.” [11:51]
• Steve Bannon, emphasizing betrayal:
  “For the Spanish government to say...we're not going to allow you to use our airspace...this is folks, it's the great de-masking, the unmasking.” [10:34]
• On military risk:
  “You could bomb the snot out of a country, but unless you’ve got ground forces, you can’t change it.” – David Zier, quoting his grandfather [37:02]
• Ben Harnwell, on European motivation:
  “They realize that getting their countries involved in a third Gulf War in as many decades is politically suicidal...” [39:58]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening Monologue and Context Setting: [00:02 – 06:36]
• Ben Harnwell on Financial and Military Mutiny: [06:36 – 13:27]
• Spain and Italy's Airspace/Bases Issue Deep Dive: [09:35 – 13:27]
• Discussion on Military Tactics, Sorties & Logistics: [16:29 – 20:00]
• Conversation on How U.S. Troops are Protected: [30:12 – 34:49]
• Debate on Pentagon Transparency: [33:37 – 34:49]
• Strategic Outlook: Can Trump Build a Real Coalition?: [39:18 – 41:38]
• Economic Consequences – Oil, Ukraine, Depletion: [41:38 – 50:49]
• Ben Harnwell’s Final Assessment and Wrap-Up: [47:28 – 50:49]

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Episode Tone

• Combative, Urgent, and Analytical:
  Bannon strikes a warning bell about Western alliances, channeling frustration and skepticism toward European resolve.
• Cynical Realism:
  Harnwell offers a “beady, cynical” European perspective, highlighting the political calculations of NATO members.
• Vivid Military Context:
  Zier brings concrete Pentagon reporting and queries about troop safety, echoing themes of sacrifice and risk.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Deep Fractures in the Western Alliance:
  The U.S. is increasingly alone as key European and regional allies resist military or financial involvement in the conflict.
• Geopolitical and Economic Fallout Looms:
  Energy markets are volatile, and Western military resources are stretched thin, in part due to Ukraine.
• Allied Trust and Strategic Posture Reconsidered:
  Reluctance by nations like Spain and Italy to allow even logistical support signals a profound shift in alliance perceptions and viability.
• Uncertainty for the U.S. and Trump’s Options:
  Whether Trump can force real burden-sharing or will be compelled to retrench remains unresolved; the coming weeks are described as pivotal.

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For further details and real-time analysis, follow:

• Ben Harnwell on GETTR
• David Zier on X (@avezier)

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians, I got a free shot.

All these networks lying about the people.

The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but

you're not going to stop it.

It's going to happen.

And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, well, Tuesday the 31st of March, year of our Lord 2026. We're through the first quarter of 2026.

[David Zier]

Wow.

[Steve Bannon]

And we're in the middle of a war. Maybe not in the middle of it, maybe towards the end of it. President Trump is, is working towards that. We got a lot more. We're going to get back to birthright citizenship tomorrow. The Mass Deportation Coalition also going to have the airports are now, people are flowing through. Shocking when you pay people and they show up. And of course, the ICE agents deployed have been spectacular. We're talking about that Todd Blanch from the stage at CPAC the other day saying that he 100% agrees with the war room that we can and will send, send ICE agents to the polls in the fall. All that we're going to get to, I want to get back to. So Ben Harmo joins in from Rome. Ben, let me do the level set here, and then I need you to jump in this war. We've got Israel as an ally, America's greatest ally. We have the Gulf nations, which President Trump's gone over and done, you know, done these last spring, did this big meeting over there of all the business opportunities and Dubai is the new influencer capital of the world and everybody's moving over there and it's all great. And, you know, Islam is all great and it's fantastic. And it's a religion of peace, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And then our NATO allies, we've been underwriting bail them out in World War I, bail them out in World War II, and I mean, really bailed them out both times. Bailed them out in the Cold War, rebuilt Europe and then paid for the defense for decade after decade after decade. Won the Cold War with some help from them, but not enough. Some help from them. And Now, I've underwritten this, and as President Trump said, hey, Maybe you should pay 2% in the first term, which they committed to after the Ukraine situation. All they did was whine and bitch and moan. And so now we're in a situation where there's a shooting war and we have 50,000 young American men and women in harm's way. And we've put forward to the Congress a $200 billion butcher's bill for this to be paid for, I guess, by Congress. And we've argued from the beginning, hey, just like in the Gulf War in the early 90s, the Arab nations and maybe Israel, you know, pass the hat. We don't care who puts the most in, but we want, if the number's 200 billion, we want the hat to add up to 200 billion. And by the way, we want to see where your armies are. If we're going to take Carg island, we want the UAE guys, those special forces, because they've got a really good small army. But if punches way above their weight, we want to see them on the first wave. We want to see the IDF in there, we want to see the Saudi infantry in there. And it looks like we're getting the exact opposite. I think the Gulf nations put out a proclamation overnight saying they wanted the United States to continue and to finish the job here, but no commitment of their, of their, of their, of their military. President Trump did say, hey, I think we got to look to you guys to pay for this. Israel came back yesterday and Lisa was, it was, I think the channel, the independent channel, was at 12, which is normally pretty accurate. Came back and said, officials said we got our hands full in this ground war in Lebanon. We're not going to be of any help. But thanks for, you know, thanks for asking, but, you know, no, no troops, no combat troops, no boots on the ground. And that's bad enough because that's the region that we're in there. Remember, the number three purpose of this military operation is to make sure that the Iranians can't project power regionally. And that would be against Israel and of course, against our great Arab allies. But the one I think sticks in the crawl the most and looks like it's sticking the crawl of the president the most is the Europeans, because the Strait of Hormuz is either it's either going to Asia or it's going to Europe and the Red Sea. Down with the Houthis is all. Suez Canal is all going up to Europe. And I think we have. The British are in the mumble tank. Nothing happening there. France, nothing happening there. The Italians, the Spanish, the Spanish are going out of their way to kind of hurt us, not even saying they're not going to cooperate. You know, you can't use Spanish airspace. The Italians, Giorgio Meloni, the bridge between President Trump and Europe has said we're not going to do it. And I think even Poland said, hey, look, when you talk about our patriots or dads or whatever, we're worried about the Russians. You know, we love you guys, but we don't know if we're going to be able to do it. Give me assessment and let's start in Europe. And you just sent me a story just as you're about to come on about it looks like some of our great allies over there are dumping US Treasuries, which we warned the audience that was going to happen. And that's why maybe more than ever, you got to get the end of the dollar empire. Because for as much as we. And this is what for Europe starting 100 years ago, to bail the aristocracy out, to bail these feckless nations out in World War II, to fight the Cold War, to do it all. And now there'd be this whole thing with Russia and the Ukraine situation of which. And by the way, if we give a security guarantee and do anything to help these people in Ukraine, people ought to have their heads examined because I warned you and I told you on the show and Ben Harnwell told you this is who they are and they're showing you who they are and they want an American security guarantee. They want us up at the line of contact. Ukraine, hey, put it where the sun don't shine. Ben Harwell, the floor is yours, sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, Steve, that's such a magisterial synthesis. I've basically flagged up four or five different articles I was going to bounce off progressively. Let's start off with. Yeah, I mean, that's basically the situation. President Trump has sent out invitations to his best mates asking for RSVPs, and the responses are coming in saying, thanks, love to prior engagement. So sorry, it's, it's been tragic to watch even from my glittering, beady, cynical eyes. Let's start off with the FT article because I think that's, that really is quite substantial because this shows you what your friends and allies who, who will never say no to schlepping over to the White House for the photo op are actually doing behind the scenes. So since February 25th, don't forget the, the takeout of the, of the Ayatollah was on the 28th. So from this is according to the Fed's own data, Steve, since February 25th, nations have sold $82 billion worth of treasuries. Now, it's difficult to pinpoint who exactly has been doing this. So the FT suggests it's Turkey and India. Turkey has sold $22 billion worth of Treasuries, but not necessarily exclusively US Treasuries, just $22 billion worth of bonds of central bank holdings. So those are the two figures and I flag up India and Turkey specific there Turkey. Now, President Prime Minister Modi always very happy to go over to the White House for the photo op, but here protecting his, his own nation's interest. Erdogan NATO ally Edem let's look at the either the Spanish and Italian developments because these are interesting, different in their responses, but just the no is just as firm and just as unyielding. So Spain Socialist Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez a month or so ago said, no, you can't use, you can't land and flank to the Middle East. You cannot use the, the, the two military bases, Rota and Moron, it's actually called Moron. You, you can't use either. And these are joint Spanish and American bases. And then yesterday, out comes the, the escalation from that. No. If, if an escalation were indeed possible. Spain has closed its airspace to, to US military flights heading to the Middle East. Spain's Italy's development. Our dear friend Giorgio Phoney Meloni is, as you would expect, slightly more well placed.

[Steve Bannon]

But hang on, but hang on. But hang on, but hang on. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on, slow down. It's one thing to say, I'm not even with the British. Was it Fairmont for the British say, hey, we need six hours because we have 51 Muslim members of Commons and you know, we're basically controlled by the Muslims now. And so we need six hours of optics before he can let you fly. Or it's one thing you're going to get into Maloney and others. But to close the airspace, and particularly Rota, Spain is a major naval facility. To actually close the airspace adds a massive logistics issue to the United States. I mean, that puts people in harm's way. We had this problem and I think it was with France when they closed their airspace during the attack on Gaddafi back in those days. And we had a couple of F1B111 bombers that are fighter bombers that actually, I think went into the drink because they ran out of fuel. Back In I think 84, 85. But this is a big deal for a government that's supposed to be allied with us, that a government that we have supposedly a working relationship to close the airspace in the middle of a shooting war is that is telling you we're not your ally. And you know, we got a problem with what you're doing and we got a problem with how you're doing it. So tell me about Spain for a second because I think that's, we've understood it's a probably the most socialist and you've got a bunch of people you see all the time, these Marxists up there that get up there and say, yeah, we believe in the replacement theory. We want to take as many migrants from North Africa as possible and replace the population. Particularly if you're right wing. I mean they're up in your grill saying if you're a right winger, we would rather have a Muslim fighting age male migrant with all the danger that brings from North Africa than have you that are part of VOX or part of some of these other parties. Maybe even farther right than vox. But for the Spanish government to say, and this is folks, it's the great de masking the unmasking. I mean, how can Spain sit there and say we're not going to allow you to use our airspace when we've got a working agreement with them, sir?

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, Steve, you have put your finger on it. Closing your airspace to another country is what you do in military conflict. And you close your airspace to those countries either that you're fighting against directly or in the second order sense to those countries that are allied to the people that you're fighting. So it's one of those two categories that, that you, that you block airspace to, you don't block airspace to your own allies. So that's absolutely right. And that that point needs to be made. The Spanish question is rather, I find it difficult to. I mean I get where they're coming from being Spain, but their argument is basically this is illegal to use these bases because this isn't a NATO war. There's no Article 5 here. The problem is the two bases here, they aren't NATO bases, they are Spanish American operated bases. So then the NATO dynamic is really a foreign excuse here. Obviously Spain is a NATO ally, but it's not a formal NATO base. Like for example, you have a formal NATO base in Naples in Italy. Not an operational base, it's a headquarters. The actual again American Italian run bases, the one in Sigonella in Sicily, that's the one that, that, that the, the Italians said no to while the plane was mid flight. They said no, no, you, you can't land here. You haven't given us the notice to say that you're coming in because we, you know, we need not just need to discuss this in parliament.

[Steve Bannon]

This gets back to a debate that a lot of people didn't focus on years ago in saying that, you know, because wrote of Spain, these were our bases and with I guess long term leases. And then we got in the situation, we made them joint bases, had some agreement with the Spanish government and now in a shooting war where the United States has young men and women in harm's way and we have the nation's prestige on the line, we're trying to accomplish things, they just sit there and shut it down. I mean, this is a problem, a big problem. I don't know why we're not going back to Spain and say, hey look, thanks for the memories, but actually they're our basis and we're going to do what we want to do. I mean this is, this is outrageous. And particularly you have such a radical government. I mean, they're up in your face all the time about the harder elements of that government, about, about replacement theory. Ben, hang on for one second. We're going to stick here because President Trump is put people on notice that hey look, I don't know how long we're going to be here. We're gonna, we got a punch list of our objectives and once they're done, we're probably moving on and you know, to stop make sure that we don't have world economic turmoil, somebody's gonna have to step up here. And we don't actually have a lot of people that are saying, oh yeah, I can do that. In fact, they're saying the exact opposite. Birch Gold. There are decades in which nothing happens and weeks in which decades happen. I think think this Holy week is one of those weeks. Make sure you check out Birch Gold and Philip Patrick and the team. More of that when we return to the world.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band

[Steve Bannon]

War

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[Tom Simons]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Tom Simons]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Tom Simons]

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[Steve Bannon]

Tom, thank you so much. Another harrowing example, Tom, thank you. And like Tom said, remember with the FBI and guys coming in for the criminal side, that doesn't do anything at all on the civil, doesn't do anything on you getting your money back or your house back. So don't let it happen. And this is hometitlelock.com promo code. Steve, it's so simple. Zir's with us, but I want to play Zier's cold open at the bottom. I'm going to go back to Ben Harnwell, Ben Giorgia Maloney. And I've been, people have been already been lighting me up in Italy that know me saying he doesn't understand why President Trump hasn't come out and given her special attention like he gave the French and he's given, he's given the British. She's the bridge. She's the self proclaimed bridge between President Trump and Europe. We've always dismissed that as nonsense. And why is she not jumping in here being a full ally to the United States of America, sir?

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, you know, whenever she does describe herself as being a bridge between the United States and the European Union, immediately it always comes to my mind. The Tacoma Narrows Bridge, folks, if you ever remember that undulating bridge that eventually is the second largest suspension bridge ever built in the world which collapsed within a couple of weeks after opening and that is the bridge to nowhere, which is Georgia Maloney. So she said no formally. It was via the defense minister on the basis that Italy hadn't been consulted before the flights. We're talking about more than one US Bomber here before they took off. And therefore Italy said no. And Italy cited its, its treaties with the United States. And in as far as it goes, there is a, you know, I have no time for this government or, or its prime minister. But there is a legitimate question to be asked as considering this. The same thing happened with regards to, to Spain on the same excuses why the Department for War hadn't put in the phone calls, the U.S. department for War hadn't put in those necessary phone calls beforehand. That is a legitimate question to ask. But beyond that, because it is simply a procedural excuse on Italy's part and you can guess that it was simply a procedural excuse masking a political refusal for the time being by the fact that we know about this. Because in the Spanish situation, the government was very gung ho in telling all and sundry that they'd said no, that they'd blocked the airspace. The United States, with regards to the Italian situation, Steve, this actually happened, by all accounts, last week. It's only come out into the press now. And it first came out to the Italian press, to Corriere della Serra through one of their sources, presumed to be, though it's not said explicitly or on the Italian side rather than the US Side. And that, Steve, I think, is the indication that this leaked out to the press, is the indication that the government really wants the Italian people to know that they have said no. And that's because there are, there is a lot of antipathy here in Italy towards the US Maneuvers in Iran specifically. But it's still, I think, worth taking note of.

[Steve Bannon]

Ben, I want the answer when we get back. And we're going to bring zero into this conversation, too. The President's laid it out today. He's saying, look, we defanged these guys, we've declawed them, have essentially destroyed the, their operating military. They can still do scattershot. We've broken them. He's said twice, I think today we've had regime change because now I'm dealing with a third or fourth tier guy. It's time now for somebody to pick up the slack. And he's looking for, he's looking for NATO, looking for the Royal Navy, the French Navy, the Italian Navy and Air Force to step in here. Is this practical? We're going to. Because I gotta tell you, when President Trump gets an idea like this, he normally acts upon it. Ben, stick around. David Sears gonna be with us. As the president has looked like he's focused on an off ramp to kind of wrap this thing up. Birchgold Promo Code Ban and enter the Dollar Empire. There's a free eighth installment. Get it today. The seven installments, all free, still up online. Obviously you get it also in a book, the Patriots edition of the End of the Dollar Empire. If you want one in print, you can get that birchgold.com promo code shortbread

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[David Zier]

You move real America's voice and I witnessed that enthusiasm on the lines in our submarine builders and ironworks. It's unbelievable. But I just wanted to ask you what's the status of the delivery of any hardened bunkers for additional protection for our troops? And without getting too specific, what kind of measures are we taking to protect some of the larger, more strategic aircraft like the Sentry and other.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, it's great, great question. I'll say. What I witnessed where I went was a completely locked in discipline of bunker use and bunker improvement. So from the beginning, as we stated very clearly, the first thing we did was set up a defense and make sure our defensive capabilities were maxed out before any of this even started. That included fortifications as much as possible, but it also included disbursement. If all of our people are in one place, you could imagine why that's a big problem. So dispersing is part of that defeat. Alongside that disbursement is more and more bunkers. And I can tell you, talking to base commanders, talking to our allies in Israel, talking to others, rapidly fielding that and then improving those positions is a theater priority, no doubt, as are the air defenses and the layered air defenses. It's not just patriots and thads, it's fighters in defensive caps, it's other kinetic defeat systems, it's electronic warfare. So the defense of our troops and our assets is max. I will say on some of those other assets you talked about, air wings, airframes, there's some things adversaries are doing to provide info and intel that they shouldn't. We're aware of it and ultimately we move things around and don't. One of the biggest principles you learn in the military is to not set patterns, predictable patterns. And so commanders are working hard to adjust in real time with those systems and make sure they're in the right places and not easily targetable.

[Steve Bannon]

You don't want pattern recognition here. Be specific, David. Why did you ask that question about bunkers? What was on your Z or what was on your mind about this?

[David Zier]

I was reminded about Iraq, right, when Rumsfeld said, you go to war with the army you have, not with the one you wish you had. And I was remembering the soldiers welding steel plates to the sides of the Hummers. Now, they didn't have the advanced IEDs at that point, the liquid metal forming stuff that just cut our columns in half. But I'm concerned, covering the dignified transfer for rav. I'm concerned about more lives being lost because these guys only have to get it right a couple of times and they can do major damage. And I just thought it was really important when I saw the articles coming out that they were trying to streamline deployment and delivery of hardened structures over there. You know, I hope we can do it fast. And especially with this AWACS devastation, half a billion dollar aircraft, we lose one more, we're in trouble in the global fight, right? Maybe. So these questions are all based on what are we going to do to protect our troops? All. Also, I asked him last week about what are we going to do to turn the Internet back on for the people and how do we do that as they try to shut down all these VPNs and the Iranian militias and stuff. So, you know, my question.

[Steve Bannon]

What's one of the reasons you haven't.

[David Zier]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

But are you concerned that. Are you concerned that they're very noticeably not giving a level of specificity even when Admiral Cooper comes on about just, even some of the math about this?

Right.

Because we talk about uptempo, we talk about the bombing every night. They're asserting this, but so far they've been very remiss to get into details. And I realize you got operational security, you don't want to tell the enemy what you're doing, But a little bit, we're all kind of in the fog of war here and a little bit of an abyss because there's still the scattershot of the Iranians. We understand they've dispersed their command and control. I think, as Erik Prince conditions tell us to like 31 different units. But you get a sense that the Pentagon has a strategy here, kind of a media strategy or a briefing strategy, to make sure the American people are fully apprised so that they can think through and make sure they support or not support President Trump's strategy?

[David Zier]

I think they've been careful not to discuss policy. Right. And they are taking these measures. Hegseth was with the troops in Central Command a few days ago over there. Right. So I believe that. I believe they're in a spot because, you know, again, how many? It only takes a dozen drones to hit a target, ground zero and hurt a lot of people or take out, you know, listen, in the Red Sea, a missile came within a half mile of the Harry S. Truman, and if it wasn't for the cwiz, I think it could have hit it. So, you know, these threats are real and imminent. And no matter how much planning you do, I think they do have a plan. I think they really care. I think Hegseth really cares about the troops. But there's a lot of unpredictables here. And we spoke last summer, Steve, and at the Army 250 celebration, and we talked about during the June strikes, you know, you know, about a wider war with the Gulf states and other. And the regional, you know, geostrategic elements going on here. So there are unpredictable elements here as nothing's really fermenting on the ground. The MEK is attacking the Iranian guard and other things a little bit, but there's nothing gelling with Pahlavi or anything. So, you know, where does it leave the people? Where does it leave our troops from for the long term? How many Additional casualties will we have? I think it's a legitimate concern

[Steve Bannon]

about the Gulf Arab, the Arab allies, and as we got Ben up here, the NATO allies. President Trump has clearly now, over the last 24 hours, maybe 30 hours, has been pretty adamant that he needs people stepping up to the plate, that we're going to only bear this burden by ourselves for so long. What's the sense you got from the building? Because these are the direct connect. It's not a diplomatic. A lot of it's military to military. And I know they're very close relationships, particularly with the Gulf armies, specifically uae, very close relationship with the Pentagon. Do you get any sense that Hegseth and General Kane are making any progress on this, or is this still all at the White House level and diplomatic?

[David Zier]

Well, I think it is that, and it's also, I think UAE agreed to jump in the fight to protect the ships in the strait. I think other nations come on board. I think Saudi Arabia will as well. But, you know, Europe is always there when they need us. So, you know, I think there will be some success for Donald Trump in putting together a coalition to target this. But how many weeks out will oil hit? $150 plus. There's a lot of questions here, but I don't think they're operating in the dark. I think, you know, I wouldn't underestimate Trump. I do think he's in a little bit of position because, you know, Iran's four times the size of Iraq. You know, how do you do that? My grandfather told me 48 years ago he used to make altimeters for the bombs. And he always told me, hey, you could bomb the snot out of a country, but unless you've got ground forces, you can't change it. You know, so, you know, again, what level of success is enough for Trump and what nations will come on board to help? You have 11 million barrels a day of oil missing from, you know, the world's supply right now. All these tanks, all these storage things are at capacity over there in the Gulf States, and there's nowhere to go. So I'm not going to throw in the towel, though I think Hegseth, you know, he's under fire. They're looking to hang him at every turn. I was at the county cartel conference in Doral with Southcom a couple of weeks ago, and he signs this historic agreement with 17 defense ministers of the 31 countries under the AOR for Central Command from South America, Caribbean and Latin America. And they're talking about how he gave a Nazi Salute in the Shields of America speech, you know, so anything he does is going to be ripped apart. I think he's very careful, careful not to commit too much and doesn't want to get into, you know, too granular on stuff. At the briefings they're short. He picks 15 questions or so. I'm trying to be respectful but my concern is for the troops.

[Steve Bannon]

David, where do people go? What's your social media? Keep up with you throughout the day?

[David Zier]

Sure. I'm avezier on X and David Zier on everything else.

[Steve Bannon]

Zir, great job. Thank you sir. Appreciate you over the Pentagon.

[David Zier]

Thank you so much. Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Ben Harnwell the President's looking to at least get an alternative optionality with the President range of alternatives. There's clearly he's thinking through, hey I've got options of if I got to put combat troops in, if I got to keep bombing these guys, if I need another regime change besides the guys I'm talking to. But one he's clearly looking to do is have the allies step up here and bear some of the burden. From your perch in Rome, David Z is pretty optimistic that eventually Europe will do the right thing. In your beady eyed assessment, do you see that happening?

[Ben Harnwell]

It might happen on a sort of bilateral basis with the US tapping certain countries like the UK or, or have you or Greece for example, who has been quite cooperative. Whether it's going to take place formally through the NATO infrastructure. At the present moment, I find that slightly more doubtful that the elements are there to do that. I frankly find it difficult that the President's going to succeed in getting any sort of bilateral agreements country by country to come on board on this. Because if it's true that the President is looking for, for an off ramp here, for here in continental Europe that they're, they're not looking for an off ramp because they never got on the on ramp in the first place and they sort of extremely concerned that they don't want to be moving in that direction largely because the on ramp isn't, isn't a static thing. It's dynamic. It's like a conveyor belt. You need to get on and do nothing and you're going to be moved further on into this. And that's really not where the, the European countries are. The reason being, as I've indicated before, Y. Yeah, it's because, because the, whatever you say about the European branch of our sociopathic overlords, they know how unpopular they, they are broadly because of the immigration issue. Anyway, you've got the, the the, the far right iteration sort of nipping at the heels. They realize that getting their countries involved in a third Gulf War in as many decades is politically suicidal. They, they don't want to, they don't want any, they don't want to keep the horn. They don't want anything to do with this. They don't even want to be.

[David Zier]

But to keep.

[Steve Bannon]

I know, but Brent oil. Yeah, but, but, but I got it. But Brent oil is $118 a barrel right now. It's going to go higher if they don't see. If President Trump says, hey, look, it's your problem. You got to step up here also, this has to have major implications for the Ukraine situation. The citizens of the United States are seeing what's happening here. They're seeing the president. It shouldn't be the president's responsibility to get allies to come on an on ramp. Particularly. Let me just make sure this is stated is that coming out of Hormuz is oil and natural gas, LNG going to Europe, going past the Houthis in the Gate of Tears down there into the Red Sea And Suez is 100% going to Europe. You got carrier battle groups right now with American kids keeping those open. This is a European problem. This is a European issue. And that's why you shouldn't have to take a bayonet and get them onto an on ramp. They should be there as an ally to be an honor. And that's not happening. The resistance. This is my point. President Trump, he's lighting these guys up now in true social media because not only are they not getting on the on ramp, people like Spain are saying, hey, upon further review, we got these joint bases, really not NATO, it's us and you and we got the superior hand. We're not going to let you use the naval facility or the naval air base at Rota, Spain. But that's off. And you can't use our airspace. That's not just not being an, that's not being an ally or having allies. Got problems. That's being somebody that's saying, no, you can't use our airspace. We think you're the problem and we don't agree with your military. The oil that Europe uses, $118 a barrel, is going to go a lot higher. President Trump says, you know, upon further review, we're going to pull back. I tell you. Ben, hang on. I want to take you to the next segment because the president has now talked about this for 30 hours. You can tell this is, I'm not saying he's going to pull this option but he's clearly thinking through every alternative regarding this option. Both the Arab allies with Israel and particularly with NATO. And let's throw Japan, maybe even the Korean Navy in there. CCP I'm sure a volunteer Patriot Mobile One of the great sponsors, great company. Jenny Story. What she's doing down there to organize the grassroots particularly around this situation of Prop 10 is heroic. Patriot Mobile. 972 Patriot support the company by making the switch today. Call and talk to somebody with an East Texas accent and customer service will tell you all about it.

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Look, Ben, you're amazingly popular with the war and we understand you've had some very tough analysis and assessments over the last couple weeks, but you're giving it to a straight and you've had just an amazing track record. Give me you got a couple minutes to sum up here. Your thoughts? Because clearly President Trump, whether he does it or not, whether this negotiating tactic, he's going to double down someplace else or he's going to put combat troops in Kharg island, he is developing at least this line of optionality, and that is to basically flush out who's going to step up here and share the burden with the United States. Your thoughts, sir?

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, no one's particularly stepping up at the moment. President Trump is calling a party saying the party's on. But at the moment there's, there's no the music might be playing, but no, no one wants to go to this party apart from as you mentioned earlier on the the the your, your Gulf allies. And this is what I put out on on get it this morning. You do have and this is what's what Semaphore carried that officials from Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have told their US Counterparts that they want the conflict to continue until Tehran changes its behavior, but as of yet have offered no boots on the ground to send in. As you've been highlighting consistently, Steve, look, I quickly close with this point, this observation because you mentioned it just before the break and you said it's a very important consideration. How much is this war affecting what's going on in Ukraine? And yes, President Zelensky has been, bless his little cotton socks, has been trying desperately to insert himself into this narrative as well, and largely failing. But he is doing what he can do. But I'd like to reframe your question, Steve, because I don't think it's so much that the fact isn't so much how much is this war affecting what's going on in Ukraine, it's how much has what happened in Ukraine over the last three or four years affecting what the operability for the Gulf War. And this brings us to the Patriot battery situation, which Poland has refused to help. And that is nobody. If you ask which, if America asks which country now which of our allies has Patriot surplus to send to us in, in, in in Iran, in the, in the, in the the Strait of Hormuz or wherever to help defend Israel, the answer is no one has excess capacity anymore because it's all been used up in Ukraine. And that, I think, is a further illustration of the rule, the law of unintended consequences which continue to reach forward to the present day of what happened in was it February 2022?

[Steve Bannon]

Ben Harnwell, where do people go to get your BDI analysis, sir?

[Ben Harnwell]

On Getter. It's my social media platform of choice. Tap in my surname Harnwell and all of my posts which have been so popular with the the War Room Posse. You can find them there at the top of the feed. Thanks, Steve. God bless. Catch you tomorrow.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you brother. Appreciate you appreciate the Wednesday and Friday shows you do which are just outstanding and taking on various topics. The markets are all over the place, particularly market for gold today and oil, oil increasing. President Trump dealing with this problem. We have much more. We come back at five o'.

[Mike Lindell]

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