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Episode 5272: WarRoom Easter Weekend Special: Descent Into Hell
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going
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medieval on these people. Christians I got a free shot.
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All these networks lying about the people.
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The people have had a belly full of it.
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I know you don't like hearing that.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but
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Stephen K. Bannon
you're not going to stop it.
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Steve Bannon
It's going to happen.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
And where do people like that go
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Steve Bannon
to share the big lie?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
Ask yourself, what is my task and
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Steve Bannon
what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Stephen K. Bannon
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
It is holy Saturday, the 4th of
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Stephen K. Bannon
April, year of our Lord 2020 26. A welcome thank you for the word. We're going to get into our more traditional descent into hell, which we do every Holy Saturday. We'll get to that part of the program in a while. But I wanted to start that was very important to start with. Philip PATRICK Philip
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Steve Bannon
We've come up with
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Stephen K. Bannon
the eighth installment of End of the Dollar Empire. It's during a time of pretty unique turbulence geopolitically, maybe the most turbulence we've had since Vietnam War, maybe even going back to World War II, given the broad nature of this war that we're fighting in the Middle east right now. And of course, you got the situation in Ukraine and you've got the dollar. We have obviously enemies against the United States that are using to weaponize other currencies against us. We now know that in the strait or Hormuz, which is clearly the center of battle or the center of gravity of this conflict, the tolling we're now told is being done in Chinese currency and Chinese yuan and that people are saying this is a fight over the petrodollar at the same time. And we haven't had enough time to go through this and present it. So probably be Monday or Tuesday of next week. We Understand the new 2027 budget is coming out from the Trump administration. Bloomberg's already got a copy of it, but it talks about pretty significant deficits. I don't think we're going to get to Scott Bessen, a former contributor here. His target of going from 6% to GDP to 3%. I think these deficits are going to be quite large and I believe the Congressional Budget Office is actually projecting the 10 year increase in deficits is going to be the tune of 16 to 20 trillion dollars so that the fiscal Cliff we've been talking about seems like we're going. It appears from the math that we're going with the pedal to the metal. Put it in perspective. What does that mean for when people think of precious metals, they think of alternatives to more traditional investments they've got, and particularly investments that are directly tied to the dollar. Where do you think that puts us?
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Philip Patrick
Look, it puts us in a very tough situation. We've been talking about this for a long time, and it's playing out in front of our eyes. Every new crisis turns or sort of reverts back to the debt. We see it with the Iranians now waging financial war against the United States. It's a very smart way to do it. They see their Achilles Hill or Achilles heel, and they know how to attack. You know, it's a big concern. We can't get a handle on deficit spending. And it's a reflection of how tough the situation President Trump inherited, President Trump and the team inherited was. We have to remember, you know, prior to this administration, there was no talk of debt or deficit from the Democratic administration. They didn't even recognize it was a problem. We came in very, very much focused on this. We had a Department of External Revenue. We had DOGE initially, and the idea was to try and curb spending, but it's very difficult to slow a machine that is addicted to cheap money. And as you rightly point out, the deficit has expanded. We have tax cuts, which we needed to stimulate economic growth, but obviously they reduce revenue that was mitigated by tariff revenue. But there's some question marks there. And of course, defense spending now has escalated, which means the deficit has expanded. Ultimately, if we do not get a handle on this, and it's looking less and less likely, we know how this thing plays out. We continue to print money to meet debt service. And it only goes one way, longer term. And that's really what Series eight of the End of the Dollar Empire was about. It wasn't a suggestion that the dollar's collapsing tomorrow, but it's more of a warning of if we continue down this path. And it seems more and more inevitable as time goes on, how sort of navigate those climates, how can they protect themselves heading in? So that was the key sort of topic for End of the dollar Empire Series 8. And like I said, it's never been more topical than today. And looking at the current situation, it reminds me of what Admiral Mullen said back in 2010, and that is that the national debt, the debt is the biggest national security risk that we have As a country. And that was $30 trillion of debt ago, but you can see it today. Listen, this war with Iran from a military standpoint should be very simple. They cannot compete with us in any way. Their military is a joke, pales in comparison to us. But we're going to struggle with this because all they have to do is not lose and cause enough financial distress globally to force a change domestically here in the United States. They know the goal and it's a tough enemy to fight. When you have a debt level like we do,
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Steve Bannon
you bring up Admiral Mullins,
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Stephen K. Bannon
the chief of Naval operations at the time and the chairman, I believe the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He had a lot of prominence as being now he got criticism, et cetera, for being one of Obama's chiefs. But he's a pretty broad and deep thinker. You may not agree with everything the guy has to say, but I want to just go back and put it in a time frame.
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Steve Bannon
When he warned and they were doing
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Stephen K. Bannon
the National Security Strategy memo and the Pentagon by law is required by statute to come out and put a strategy together. They kind of shocked people that year and saying, hey, look, we have these threats around the world. Things are happening. Back then it was almost more of still the global war on terror was there. But he said the biggest ticking time bomb we have that's going to cripple the United States and limit our ability to actually provide security our people, is the national debt. When he said that, you said that was $30 trillion a good. What was the national debt? When he said that
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Philip Patrick
literally, what would he. 38 trillion. It was eight and a bit trillion. I must have been 29 and some change. This was a colossal amount, I think. Yeah, it was a colossal increase since then. I think from memory it was about 13 trillion back then. So.
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Steve Bannon
But this is the point is that
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Stephen K. Bannon
we have a system now that structurally it's so tough to make changes and you don't have the political will to do it in the Republic side. More importantly, folks, the Democrats literally don't care. I mean, they want to just spend with no restraints at all. What does that mean for the dollar? Cause then I'm going to get to the specifics now of there is a flight to quality. The dollar is seeing some strengthening because people are panicked throughout the world. But just overall, on the arc that you see of this spending, which it looks like in the congressional budget, we've had enough commissions of people warning about it, warning us about the world's financial system continues to buy the central Banks continue to buy gold to try to get away from dollar denominated securities.
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Philip Patrick
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. We saw 860 tons of gold bought last year by the way, that was a dip from the previous years but it is double the average central bank purchases in the decade prior to 2022. So we've just seen a massive escalation. JP Morgan predict at least another 800 tons of this year. So in this climate we're doubling the typical central bank purchases from the decade 2022. I think that trend will continue. As I've said from the beginning, this isn't going to be a linear decline. The dollar has a lot of benefits, a lot of strength, huge network effect and it's still the currency of choice for short term movements. And that's why we saw dollar strengthening on the back of the Iran war. But for me this will be short lived. Like I said, if this was a longer term position in the dollar, people would have moved to longer term dollar exposure which would have been government debt. We saw yields increase which means people aren't looking long term hold. For me the trend with gold will continue. For central banks, at the end of the day they want something that cannot be printed, cannot be seized, cannot be devalued. Right now I think the world realizes we're in an unsolvable mess and I think that we'll continue to finance deficits, continue to devalue currency and at the end of the day, if I'm a foreign central bank with a long term view, doesn't make sense for me to hold dollars and if I'm going to, I'm going to need a risk premium and that's what we're starting to see.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Talk about that for a second because at first you saw the strengthening because as soon as the balloon goes up, as soon as they start shooting, particularly on a broader scale and particularly some place as sensitive as the Middle east to, to, to the flow of oil, people naturally, money managers, governments naturally pile into the dollar, at least for short term, for safety. It's considered a safe haven. And that's one of the reasons I think you didn't see the pop in gold. Also the fact that I do believe some of the central banks, maybe the Saudis and whatever might have been monetizing some of their holdings to just pay bills and understand they might not be able to monetize oil for a while. But I want just to go back. It's not a shift to long term because you're not seeing them pile into longer term government debt. Correct.
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Philip Patrick
It's absolutely correct. And like I said, we see things like this very typically when we see major crises with wars. Typically when the shooting starts, people move into dollars temporarily because they need the liquidity, but they don't normally keep those dollars. They either spend them or they move them into safer assets. And I think that's what we're seeing. Look, we saw it in 2020 when Covid hit. There was panic, there was confusion, there was a flight to cash. Gold dropped, and then it went on to move significantly. Exactly the same thing. In 08 significant moves in the market, big crash flight to cash, gold dropped 30%, and then it went on to double in value. So I think it's a holding pattern. What was unique about this climate as well was just colossal upside in precious metals. In the lead up, gold's up 8% this year, but it did 65% last year, 27% the year before. It's up about 300% since the pandemic. So I think when we see a lot of confusions, Treasure will stop. They'll take profits, move to cash, wait, and then reposition for the longer term. So for me, this is a strong buying opportunity. I am personally capitalizing on it because I think prices will continue to move up longer term. The fundamentals today are stronger than they were a week, two weeks, a month ago. It's just a case of timing and volatility right now.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, I want people to be able to get access to you. What we've put out is the eighth free installment of the End of the Dollar Empire. There is a hardbound edition, but we're back. We're trying to. We're trying to crank out more because the overwhelming demand has kind of taken them all up. So you got the patriots edition, but right now, it's just simply not available. For the simple fact that people have wanted the seven. The seven installments in a bound copy. We have the eighth that joins the seven online. No obligation. It's totally free. And I want everybody to a drill down on the 8th. And we'll be explaining it every day, parts of it every day in the coming weeks. The key is when you go to birchgold.com promo code Bannon, you get the free installment. But the big deal is you get access to Philip, Patrick and the team. Just talk to me about that interaction, Philip, as you as new, either existing customers and clients or new clients and investors. Come on.
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Philip Patrick
It's very simple. So, first of all, the demand for the book has been astronomical, and the feedback from people that have read it has been really good, very encouraging. It's really helping people plan and understand what's happening in the current climate. We are frantically pushing to, to, to print more. I'll let people know. I do not have a Steve Bannon signed copy yet either. So they're that much in demand. But I'm pushing for mine in, in terms of what people do. Look, you said it right. It's birchgold.com forward/bannon that gets them access to information. Not only the end of the Dollar Empire series. We have digital versions for people who are waiting for the paper version. Just to be clear. They also have access on guides on how and why to invest in precious metals in the current climate. Very topical, very important. And from there if they want to learn more, they can give us a call. They'll have access to myself or people like me. We are here to guide people through, provide as much information, answer questions, make sure people understand this thing inside and out before they have to make a decision. And from there it's up to the customer to decide. But for us, we feel like a more informed investor is a better investor. So that's the key for us. Just get the information, digest it, read it and what they want to do from there is up to them. But we'll be here to help them should they need it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
That's where. We've been a partner with Birch Gold for six years and started the end of the Dollar Empire. I think when gold was $1,500 an ounce. Started with Birch Gold. I think it was $1,200 an ounce. Philip Patrick, thank you for taking time away from your family over the Easter weekend to do this. Look forward to seeing you next week.
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Philip Patrick
Happy easter.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Happy Easter. Birchgold.com promo code Bannon enter the Dollar Empire. Get access to Philip Patrick's team. It's Holy Saturday. We're going to continue with Descent into hell. We've got Dr. Taylor Marshall and Dr. Tom Williams will be joining me. We're going to leave you with some, some appropriate music. We're going to be back in the war room for our Holy Saturday special in a moment.
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It's Saturday, 30th March, in the year of our Lord 2024. It is holy Saturday. We're very honored and blessed to be joined by Dr. Taylor Marshall. Dr. Marshall, just to put it in perspective, we refer to this, particularly Catholics, as Holy Saturday. Can you walk us through just the evolution of what, at least in the Catholic faith, from Good Friday into Holy Saturday? And why is this such a day of solemnity?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
So in the Catholic Church, and also in the Eastern Orthodox Church and many Protestants as well, they recognize that of course, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died at 3pm on Good Friday and he rose again early on Easter morning. And there's this mystery on Saturday, where was our Lord Jesus Christ, fully God, fully man, during this period in the middle of these three days? And tradition identifies this as the harrowing of hell. And the tradition is, and St. Paul teaches this in Ephesians. Peter mentions it in the Book of Acts, that Christ in his soul, his body was in the tomb, but his soul descended downward into the nether regions. In Hebrew, it's called sheol. Certain traditions call it limbo, or maybe in the Greek Hades, the Infernum. And he didn't go there to suffer. He went there to greet and recognize and redeem all the holy men and women from Adam and Eve all the way up until the good thief on the cross and he announces his proclamation of eternal life to those who have been waiting. Because it's the belief of both the Old Testament Jewish people and Christians for Most the past 2000 years that until Christ died on the cross, the righteous people like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Esther, all these people were waiting. Where we get the phrase waiting in limbo. They were literally waiting in limbo, waiting in Sheol. And Christ descends victorious, and he announces the gospel and he brings them up. So Saturday is the day. It's a quiet day in the liturgy, but it's the day in which we recognize the redemption of all those who came before Christ. The harrowing of hell.
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Steve Bannon
What is. Is this what St. Augustine refers to? When St. Augustine one time has a quote, I think he says a thousand years before Christ came, there was actual Christianity. Is that what he means? That there were people that were living that didn't know Christ or were born centuries before, you know, millennia before Jesus manifested into our world? That what he's talking about, that men and women who were holy and devout but didn't obviously know about Jesus because he hadn't been born yet? Was that what he's referring to? Is that why Christ went to hell? Or at least a part where people are not totally condemned to bring back those pagans that lived Christian lives?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
Yeah, that's the idea, is that before Christ, people were saved by expecting the Messiah, by expecting the Son of God. So you see this already in the book of Genesis. After Adam and Eve, sin. In Genesis 3:15, God promises what's called the protoevangelion. That's a Greek word. It means the first gospel. And he tells to Adam and Eve, in particular to Eve, that one day she will give birth to a child that will crush the head of Satan. That's Genesis 3:15. So Adam and Eve heard that from God. Did they know the details of that? His name would be Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, suffered under Pontius Pilate. They did not have those details, but they did trust in the promise of God that one day a woman would give birth to a son, the son of God, a Messiah figure who would indeed crush the serpent's head. So they were trusting that. And as time goes on in the Old Testament, you have the covenant with Adam and the covenant with Noah and the covenant with Abraham, and then the covenant with Moses, and then the covenant with David. All of these are more and more revelations of the coming of the Messiah. More and more information is given. And those people who are living in accordance with God's law and they're having faith in the coming Messiah, those people are justified by faith in Christ. Again, they don't have the details. So a good way of understanding it is, you know, Abraham and King David and Esther, they were looking forward to Christ. We today look back to Jesus Christ. The object of our faith is the same. It's Jesus Christ. But we understand it in vivid color, in full color. They Kind of understood it in black and white. And so Christ, our belief is in the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church and many Protestants as well, that when Christ died on the cross, he descended into hell. He descended into, not the place of torment, but the place of waiting, Limbo, Limbum. And he announced to them, come to me, you are saved. Come with me. And then he takes them to heaven. And this is symbolized in the Gospels. When Christ dies on the cross, the veil in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem was torn. And there's an important detail there. It was torn from top to bottom. And that signifies that God removed the veil from top to bottom. And this is symbolic that there's no longer a barrier between God and men, because Christ has offered himself as the Passover Lamb of God. And so now, moving forward, people can be admitted to heaven through Christ, and then the people of the Old Testament are also admitted into heaven through Christ. Like I said before, from Adam all the way to the thief on the cross are now incorporated into that heavenly bliss. And so you asked, you know, Augustine said they're Christians before Christ. That's exactly correct. Not the way we understand Christianity today. But they were looking for forward to the Messiah. Christ means Messiah. They were looking. So in that sense, they are Christian. They're sort of proto Christian might be a better term.
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Steve Bannon
Right. When Mel Gibson and Steve McEvity and that team made Passion of the Christ, they went back to the book that had come out by Katherine Ann Emmerich, Right. The German nun that had these visions and that had actually gone through, I guess, a paper review and had the stamp of, simply put, certification, right. That this had been gone through, not a council, but gone through a formal investigation in that. And they're coming up with the second. They've been working on the second, the sequel to that, which is about the resurrection. And my understanding is they're also relying upon Catherine and Emmerich's book, which has a quite moving and dramatic part in her visions of Christ's descent into hell. Is there anything. Are you familiar with the work of Sister Catherine Ann Emmerich?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
I am, yes. And I was able to talk to Mel Gibson about this, and he doesn't want any of the details of the film, of course, being shared, but he's announced that he is going to do the resurrection of the Christ and it's going to also incorporate this mystery of the harrowing of hell, which I think on the big screen is going to be magnificent when it's accomplished. And, yes, the vision of Anne Catherine Emmerich she was a German nun, a consecrated version, and she had extensive visions about the entire life of Christ, but also this mystery of the descent of Christ into hell. And she gives the same basic outline or structure that you see in the early Greek church fathers, the early Latin church fathers. And that is Christ coming, coming down, and he smashes the gates of hell. He breaks down the gates of hell. And many of the early icons, there's an image of Christ standing on top of the broken gates of hell. And he's reaching his hand out and he's grabbing the hands of Adam and Eve and pulling them out and upward into heaven. It's a very beautiful image to see that mankind all the way back to Adam and Eve is being offered eternal salvation. And Anne Catherine Emmerich has that same vision. And she, she reveals that the faithful of the Old Testament, men and women, are now being incorporated. In fact, St. Thomas Aquinas, he even elaborates on this. And he says that the experience of the Old Testament faithful of Christ ascending into hell counts for them as baptism, which is very kind of profound way of thinking about it, that their initiation into the life of Christ and salvation for them begins not with baptism, but basically engaging with the true Christ in his descent to where they were and then freeing them. So there's a lot in the mystical tradition and visionaries and the church fathers of this beautiful mystery. And I would encourage people on this day, you know, yesterday was Good Friday, we experienced the death of Christ. Tomorrow is the celebration when people will be breaking their Lent and eating meat and candy and maybe wine and some whiskey and, and really enjoying the festival of the resurrection of Christ. Today is a day to consider this hidden mystery that Christ cares not just for us in 2024, but he cares for every human person. Going all the way back to our original first parents. And I think that's a beautiful mystery for us to meditate on today
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Steve Bannon
from Holy Saturday to Good Friday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday and then Easter. Can you walk us through the early church? How was it commemorated, how was it remembered? And what were the ceremonies or rituals they went through over that kind of four day period?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
You know, I wasn't raised a Catholic and so I didn't grow up with any of these liturgies or mysteries or ceremonies. But, but as an adult when I became a Catholic, I was exposed to this ancient, very ancient liturgy of what's called Holy Week. And Holy Week technically begins on Palm Sunday. And that's when we commemorate Christ coming into Jerusalem. And literally the priest will Bless palms. And the congregation holds palms and processes around the church and enters the church, sort of greeting Christ coming into our midst. And then things pick up again on Thursday, called Holy Thursday or Maundy Thursday. And this liturgy usually takes place in the evening, and it commemorates the Last Supper and the washing Jesus washing the feet of the disciples and the institution of the Holy Eucharist. So it's a very solemn, very beautiful liturgy. And then the next day is Good Friday, and there is a service, a liturgy in which the cross of Jesus Christ, which has been veiled previously, is now unveiled. And there are some very beautiful prayers to Christ. And the faithful come up to the front of the church and kneel and kiss the cross. And the deacon or the priest says, you know, behold the wood of the cross. You know, this is the sign of our salvation. So what we're doing is we're reliving those key events from the four canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Palm Sunday, the commemoration of the Passover and the institution of the Eucharist. Good Friday, the recognition that Christ is on the cross, and the cross is the pathway to our salvation. Holy Saturday is the longest liturgy of the year. It could be three, sometimes five hours, some of the Greek liturgies. And this is a very long ceremony with lots and lots of Old Testament readings reminding us that Christ is descending to the people of the Old Testament. And usually at the end of that liturgy, towards the end was the baptism of new Christians. In the early church, they would go through all of Lent in what's called catechesis, they'd be catechumens. And then on that evening, on Saturday evening, after this long liturgy and fasting, they would be baptized. And then Sunday morning, wake up early. It's the resurrection of Christ. And of course, the faithful have been fasting and doing penance and avoiding certain foods. Finally, on Easter Sunday, it's just, you know, it is the highest and holiest day for Christians. And it's marked by family feasting, prayer, hymns, liturgy, of course, the Holy Sacrifice, the Mass, the Eucharist. And so it's the most intense part of the whole year for Orthodox, Catholic, many Protestants. And it's hard. You're supposed to. The Holy Week is supposed to be difficult. There's lots of fasting, long services, but it ends in joy. That lasts for again another whole week.
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Steve Bannon
Dr. Taylor Marshall, if you can hang on with us. We're going to take a short commercial break, and we're going to return with Dr. Taylor Marshall. It is our annual Holy Saturday show. Descent into hell. Short Commercial break Dr. Taylor Marshall on
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Steve Bannon
Okay. Welcome back to our special descent into hell. We do this Every Holy Saturday. Dr. Taylor Marshall is with us. I'm going to have an interview with Dr. Tom Williams later in the show. We'll get into that. That. I'll tee it up. Dr. Taylor Marshall, what lessons can we derive as Christians, as Catholics, in this vale of tears from the harrowing of hell? What are we to take from that?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
Yeah, I think if you consider that for all those centuries, which is the teaching, the harrowing of hell, that someone like King David or, you know, Isaiah, the prophet or Jeremiah, these great men of faith, these prophets, Esther, they were waiting for the coming of the Messiah. This is a long time. I don't know how time works in the afterlife. That's a mystery. I don't know if they experienced it as centuries or how that happened. But we living now in 2024, we also are in, as you just said, we're in a valley of tears. Many of us are dealing with loss of employment or cancer or broken relationships and Addictions and problems and all these things. And I think the important thing is that Christ pierced into the darkness, Christ descended into hell, and he forgets none of us. And no matter how dark things are getting for you and. And how difficult things are in this valley of tears, I mean, we're not literally in hell, but sometimes it can feel like that. The Lord Jesus Christ dies on the cross and he seeks for those that are lost. And he is the fountain of all mercy. He loves us and he pleads with us to come unto him and to cast our cares, cast our burdens onto Him. So this is a time of year, and a lot of people, sometimes they stop going to church or they kind of fall out of practice. And then the Easter time, like, oh, you know, go get back into it. But I think this is a great opportunity on Holy Saturday to recommit and say, you know what? I am going to get to mass tomorrow, I am going to go to church. I do want to live for Christ. He loves me. And really the cure for all of our societal problems and our personal problems, whether they are physical, mental, spiritual, all the way up to, you know, communism and socialism that's, you know, creeping in on our society. The only true answer for that is the way, the truth and the life. And Jesus says, I am the way, the truth and the life. And in the beginning of John's gospel, He is the light in the darkness. So I would just share with everyone watching, return to Christ, find Christ, go to church on Sunday. Yes, I know there's hypocrites, there's problems in the church, but reconnect with Christ. And I think this weekend, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, Resurrection Sunday, the Paschal mystery is the right time to reach out and embrace Christ and find that healing and that redemption. So I think this is really the lesson for us. And he stands before us and he says, knock, and it shall be opened to you. So knock.
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Steve Bannon
Where we are in this country, in the world, obviously, we talk all the time about this is spiritual warfare, right? And there's really no compromise with the side of darkness. Now they've thrown up this phrase, Christian nationalism, like they're trying to get. They're trying to intimidate Christians to stay out of the public square. They're trying to intimidate Christians from actually being part of a movement that wants to take its country back. What are your thoughts about all this?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
You know, Holy Week's a great time to reflect on this because. Because in a way, Judas Iscariot and many of the people of his Time were demanding for Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, to initiate a political movement that would overthrow the Romans. And of course, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, wanted something much more significant than that. And so I think we got to be careful that we don't throw in our lot with that understanding of Jesus Christ. That being said, when he rose again from the dead and all 12 apostles taught that he is the Messiah and that Christ is king, he is the Lord of Lords and the King of kings. And so there is a social dimension and there's a political dimension to Christianity. There always has been and there always will be. When we say Jesus is the King of kings over and over in the Bible, that entails that there are other kings, worldly kings, there are temporal princes, you could say premiers, presidents, prime ministers, and that His Lordship extends over that as well. The Christian nationalist movement. I'm always a little careful about it because there's people in all different parts of that spectrum of what it means to be a Christian nationalist. I think it's safe to say that in the Christian tradition, in the Catholic tradition at least, there's been a integration between the church and the state. And that hasn't always been negative. And there's great positive elements to that. And I don't think we should be afraid of that. We've already learned that a strict separation of church and state just gives complete power to the secularist atheists, communist, Marxists. So there needs to be a better balance, a better integration there. And I think that's a conversation that more and more people are having kind of seen the last week, Steve, you know, this huge fight on social media over, you know, is it wrong to say Christ is King, that people find this to be offensive in some way, and it shouldn't be at all. This is a core, fundamental, central belief of Christianity, and it does have political and social implications. So I think my short answer on that, Steve, is because I'm a little bit concerned about the term Christian nationalism because of all the different versions of it. But I am of course not at all opposed with the historic Christian or Catholic understanding that there can be a proper, healthy integration of Christian moral teaching with the state.
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Steve Bannon
How did. And I don't keep up with all the different aspects, although we did talk about things this early in the week, it did come up. How did Christ as King become controversial? I remember as a child in Catholic school, you know, Christ was King of Kings. Christ is king. I think, heck, half of the or a third of the Catholic schools had some sort of either Place in the front of the school or they had some aspect of a bunch of. I think some of the schools we play, I think is elementary school. When I was at St. Paul's where I went to elementary school or Catholic grammar school, what it was called, I think Christ the King was one of the teams we played from down at Tideboarder, I think it was. How did that, in your mind, get to be controversial? Something that's the Catholic. At least the Catholic Church, I'm not so sure about the Protestants, but the Catholic Church has used that phrase since I've been around for 70 years.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
Yeah, I think the phrase Christ is king has been around since the year 33. It's old, it's ancient. Christians have always believed it. But what we've seen, Steve, and your audience knows this is over the last 50 years, that the fact that any Christian would say something in public or pray in public or quote scripture or that a politician would make reference to their Christian faith is offensive. We're told you keep your Christianity, your prayers, your Bible verses, you keep them at home, locked away in the safe. You know, it's kind of like you have to be a closeted Christian in Christianity. If you want to believe that at home, it's fine. But don't bring it into the workplace. Movies, television, politics. And so I think the fact that Christians are on social media saying Christ is king, and I mean, it's bringing about a response from the secular side that's offensive to them. They're like, you can't say that. And I think it's just part of the social conditioning. And Christians are starting to realize that by saying Christ is king that there's nothing wrong with it, but by saying it, somehow they're going to be canceled for it. And so I think that's why this small phrase, Christ is king has become so controversial, because the left doesn't want to allow us to even say that out loud in public in a tweet. I mean, it's an indication of where we are as a culture, a decaying culture.
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Steve Bannon
How do people. I know you're combating that every day with your shows, your podcasts, your writings. Where do people go to get access to all them of love it?
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
They can find me at Dr. Taylor Marshall on Rumble YouTube, or you can just put in taylormarshall.com and you can find my books and blog and website and all that.
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Steve Bannon
How have you not been. How have you not been canceled off YouTube? It's shocking. I can see Rumble, but.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
Well, Steve, you're you're, you're very bold as well. I, I'm still hanging in there.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
And I'm still saying Crisis King and, and touching on a lot of these issues. But, but for some reason I've been spared so far. But I'm on Rumble as well. Rumble. Rumble is a great place to be.
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Steve Bannon
Rumble's a great place. We're up there. Dr. Taylor, Marshall, thank you so much and thank you for spending.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall
Thank you. Happy Easter. Crisis King.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you. Thank you, sir. Boy, how'd that become controversial? Like I said, I think a bunch of the schools we played when I was a kid goes Christ is King or Christ the King. We're going to take a short commercial break here in a moment. Want to make sure that everybody, we really want to thank the audience on Holy Saturday to come to the worm. But we always try to do, people have been with the show for the last couple years. We always try to do a special on Saturday to really think about what happened between the crucifixion. According to our faith, Christ died at approximately 3pm on Friday and what happened until dawn on Sunday. And that's where every year we spend time with on Holy Saturday discussing this. Dr. Tom Williams. I did an interview with Dr. Tom Williams. I'm going to replay parts of it because quite frankly, it was so powerful, particularly about persecution of Christians in the modern world, which is a topic that does not get enough coverage. We're going to be back in a moment with our Holy Saturday special. In just a moment.
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Sam. Okay. Welcome back. We have for those of you that are watching Unreal America's Voice or Rumble or any of our streaming services or channel, you can see we have the classic picture of Christ in his descent into hell. I realize some aspects of the Protestant brothers and sisters don't either adhere to this or have never been taught it. It's a whole new revelation for some people. But in the Catholic Church, there's a whole concept of this from the time that Christ died, what actually happened, until he rose. And it gets to this issue of spiritual warfare. You know, we have so many guests on here, so many times that say, hey, at the end of the day, everything we're fighting for, everything that this revolves around, is a spiritual war between good and evil and between the traditions of the Judeo Christian west and the Christian faith in this country as a new Jerusalem in the forces of darkness and the forces of evil. Now, everybody doesn't believe that, and that's fine. Everybody in this movement doesn't believe that, and that's fine. Many, many people who support President Trump don't believe that. They believe in President Trump and what he's done and more of the temporal side and, you know, what he's doing, either deregulation or taking the ministry of state or just being a leader, a strong leader that people can rally around. And that's fine. It's as long as you're, you know, the enemy. And my enemy right now is my friend. But there are those that have really, I think, thought this through to a very deep level and understand that there's something going on here that's extraordinary. And that's why I continue to say the victory in 2016 was absolutely providential. And I know that because I was there and I could see it. I could see it unfold. And we were there from the beginning, back in 14. And actually I met President Trump in 2010 when Dave Bossi and I had a meeting with him when he was actually not thinking, but wanted to understand what the process was of running for president, particularly running in a primary that was in 2010. Not saying he was thinking about running in 2012, but he wanted to know the process. And that's when I got to know him. And then when I took over Breitbart, even a couple of years later, after Andrew passed away, got to know President Trump even more so because he started coming on the show, et cetera. And our history of standing up for President Trump early on in 14, and particularly 15 against Fox News and the Murdaughs and their instrument, Megyn Kelly, has been documented, well documented by Megyn Kelly herself and other people at Fox. But that victory in 2016 was definitely providential. Hillary Clinton and what she represents events is a force of darkness that was the really the managed decline of our nation. What happened in 2020, particularly, because they saw what President Trump did while he was there. And remember the power of President Trump in this movement. He's not overly churchy, if, you know, he's not a particularly churchy guy. I think he has a very deep and abiding faith. Now, the left just mocks and ridicules him all the time, but his faith comes out in things that are important, very important. And you can see no one that didn't have a deep and abiding faith could have the courage he has. And he has moral courage. He's had every opportunity to walk away from all this and not to be destroyed. Remember this weekend we're here, and Peter Navarro is in prison. John the Baptist was in prison, while Peter Navarro is in prison. In fact, Jesus Christ himself for a number of hours, was in prison by the Roman authorities. Peter Navarro is in prison. I want you to think about that over Easter. Peter Navarro, a decent and honest man, is in prison. It's in prison. In Prison by Nancy Pelosi and Merrick Garland. I would say pretty good Forces of darkness, right? Pretty definable. So at the end of the day, I see this as a. I see this and voicing this as a spiritual conflict, because I saw it up front, up close and personal. And I will tell you that the steal in 2020 was also providential. The victory in 16 was providential. So was the steel. Because that was to show us that this was just no longer managed decline by the elites. This was something far darker, far more urgent, that they were trying to understand the power that President Trump had seen in the populist movement and the nationalist movement to kind of break these globalists and to break these elites. They pulled out every stop in the summer of love of 2020, all the way through the stealing of the election, the transition, Integrity, project, all of it. Then the whole thing when they first took over, the debanking, the deplatforming, all of it, putting up signs like the Stasi back in Eastern Europe. If you see anything in your neighbors, identify it. You were there. You know, that's just not normal American politics. People know. And if you talk to them, even people that don't agree with President Trump, people who don't like President Trump, people are not particularly drawn to MAGA. People who don't like the Deplorables or America first, people quite frankly think MAGA's a little kooky or even dangerous or could be dangerous. They understand that something's deeply wrong. The country's on a deeply wrong path. Deeply wrong. Not kind of wrong, not in the margins. And that took the steel in 2020 to exposed to people because they did it so rapidly, so in your face. And so much of it, so much of it targeting the American families, so much of it and the children and what they've asked for and what they want to redefine. Society is so repellent to people that believe in the tenets of our civilization, the Judeo Christian West. And they don't have to be churchy or part of an active organized faith or religion to believe that. And that is the power of this moment. Because we've come back ascended. And how is that? And that's really because of, I think, a tremendous amount of prayer and sacrifice from the most religious people, deeply religious people in our movement. One thing I can tell you, I don't go to any of these public events or any of these talks or speeches or the CPACs or the Mike Lindell's or all these other conferences I go to. That a. I won't say vast, but a good portion of the audience, more than the majority, almost 2/3 are there deeply religious and they're not particularly wealthy in the material world. They're not the people hanging out in East Hampton or hanging out in Miami beach or hanging out in Beverly Hills or Holmby Hills or Pacific Heights up in the Bay Area, because that's not necessary. It's the strength of your faith in connecting that faith to your country's betterment. And right now that betterment is the first to save her than to help turn it around and believing. And the reason you're doing that, because you're part of something bigger. And part of that something bigger is you've been blessed to be born in this time, in this place, in this republic, the new Jerusalem. And if that makes you a Christian nationalist, so be it. That's their problem, not yours. They're completely freaked out about this now. They're completely in meltdown. When you See, the thing they're most worried about, they're most worried about, and they can't figure it out and they don't want to admit is because your religious faith, this is the key point. They understand that the Trump movement did not go away. They understand that this just didn't evaporate. And now they understand that what President Trump has done in his leadership is built a movement that will surpass him and live well past him and grow. And that in growing, we will take back the country and we will make America great again, back to her finest days. That is what they hate because they thought they had you crushed, and they thought you had you crushed because they only look at the material side of the calculation. They said these people have no money. These people have no control of no institutions, no earthly institutions. They don't control the universities, they don't control the culture, either high culture or pop culture. They don't control technology. They don't control the corporations. They don't control the arts or media. They don't control social media. They don't control Wall Street. They don't control any of the major institutions in the country, political institutions, military institutions. They don't control it. Therefore, they have no power. So on this Holy Saturday, you have to think about Christ resurrection, but also the resurrection as manifested. Do people believe in Christ in the temporal world here? How did that happen? How did that happen? Against all odds? One of the reasons that our opposition, these demonic forces are so dangerous right now is they can't figure this out. And that means they will go to extreme measures. Yep, they will go to extreme measures. And that's what we have to be on watch for. It just didn't happen that one of their top public intellectuals, Robert Kagan, wrote in one of their top news platforms, the Jeff Bezos Amazon Washington Post. That is as the New York Times, the paper of record of our nation. The Washington Post feels it's the paper of record of all, of all politics. So when you're in the editorial page there, and I think particularly on a Sunday, that's the big league. He's the one that wrote the essay about the justification of Brutus, assassination of Caesar, and that Trump was a new Caesar. And you take whatever you take the. You can extrapolate from that, where he was going. That is why this weekend is so important for us to kind of collect ourselves and think about the basic, deepest tenets of our faith. But also starting on Monday, how do you take those tenets of your faith and girded with that power gird it with that belief. How do you translate that into your public life? Now, I realize there's some and I'm not saying they're wrong, there's some that just say I don't want to get into the public square. I don't want to be part of any of this. I just want to live my life and I want to live it as close to the precepts of Christ as I can and do whatever I can do out in the real world. That's fine. That's fine. It's all an individual choice. You have free will. You have to make that determination yourself. But if you made that determination that my faith is connected to what I do in the in the material world, that I will be held accountable for this and I understand because I've been blessed to be in this time, then this is the time that God in his infinite wisdom decided you were put here for. And this fight is going to be a fight at the end of the day, is a spiritual fight, and the winners will be those that don't quit. That's what's going to happen. There can't be a compromise. The breach, the gap is too big to compromise on this. It's too it's not even close. Can't compromise. There's nothing to compromise about. It's either we are victorious or they
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Stephen K. Bannon
are victorious
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Steve Bannon
over this weekend. That is what I think, I think would be quite helpful for you to contemplate what does it all mean and what does it all mean when it comes down to your life? And why has divine providence chosen for you to be here in this time and place? Short commercial break Back in the Warm in a moment.
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