Episode 5344: Stopping The Scams Of Fake NGOs In America; Christian Persecution In The Holy Land

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room Episode 5344

Title: Stopping The Scams Of Fake NGOs In America; Christian Persecution In The Holy Land
Date: May 2, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Sean Spicer, Joe Hoft, Dr. Bradley Thayer, Khalil Said, Ben Harnwell, Neil McCabe

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Overview

This episode of Bannon's War Room covers two hot-button issues:

1. The scams and influence of fake NGOs and radical party organizations (specifically the Working Families Party) shaping US politics.
2. The rising persecution of Christians in the Holy Land, with focus on recent attacks, the silence of Western church leaders, and the geo-political implications.
   The hour features Bannon’s signature invective and nationalist-populist perspective, with expert guests providing deep dives and breaking news on both US domestic and international fronts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Selling the Trump 2.0 Agenda and Political Strategy

Time: 00:47–07:48

• Sean Spicer promotes his book "Trump 2.0", which he argues is essential reading for understanding the agenda of Trump’s current administration and the ongoing political and cultural battles. He describes the book's initial success and the importance of conservative voices on bestseller lists as a counter to mainstream media bias.
• Redistricting Efforts in Southern States: Breaking news from Alabama about an upcoming special session to redraw district maps, with a focus on maximizing Republican gains ("full 7-0 map"). Similar efforts are highlighted in South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Georgia, pressing for grassroots activism to influence these decisions.

"We're going to finish what we started… We're in a fight. This is political warfare." — Steve Bannon [00:47]

• Bannon repeatedly underscores the urgency of these battles and the stakes for the America First movement. He also expresses deep frustration with the Republican establishment, arguing that Trump is being forced to shoulder too much of the burden.

“Why does [Trump] have to call Bill Lee in Tennessee? Why does he got enough? He's got enough to do. This is outrageous.” — Steve Bannon [15:02]

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2. Exposing Fake NGOs and the "Acorn-to-Working Families" Pipeline

Time: 10:02–14:46

• Joe Hoft explains the evolution of left-wing activism, tracing the demise of ACORN and its rebirth as the Working Families Party, which is now a major force in New York politics and expanding nationwide. He emphasizes their connections to big money (Soros funding), foreign money, and their ability to shift the Democratic Party leftward.
• Marxist Influence and Election Integrity: Bannon frames these groups as “Marxist jihadist” organizations, targeting the very fabric of American democracy. Hoft details how the Working Families Party holds sway over major political figures and leverages dual-party affiliations in New York to consolidate power.

“When Breitbart, and O'Keefe, and Gateway Pundit took down ACORN, it just recreated itself... now the Working Families Party is so strong.” — Steve Bannon [11:26]

• The Urgency for Information and Action: Hoft directs listeners to his reporting at Gateway Pundit and joehoft.com for ongoing investigations connecting nonprofit abuses to electoral manipulation.

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3. Broader Conservative Strategy: Populism vs. Establishment

Time: 14:46–22:47

• Populist Outrage at GOP Establishment: Bannon launches into a fiery monologue railing against Republican senators and party elites for being “gutless, feckless cowards,” refusing to fight on redistricting and conservative causes.
• Ideological Framing: Bannon and Dr. Bradley Thayer debate the deeper roots of leftist activism, communism, and the spiritual/cultural dimensions of today’s political struggles.

“You have proven in the last 72 hours how incredibly feckless you are... I'm a constitutional conservative. I'm tired of it. The reason this country's in this shape, because you didn't fight, you went along with it.” — Steve Bannon [16:13]

• Thayer reviews Lenin's strategy: agitation, propaganda, and violence as tools of organized Marxism, extending the enemy framework to AI and Silicon Valley’s influence on America’s cultural institutions.

“Lenin said: I need agitation, I need propaganda, and I need organization... they're feeding the [AI] LLMs off of that. The content going in to what Sam Altman is creating is going to be neo-Bolshevik.” — Dr. Bradley Thayer [21:35]

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4. The Scandal of Christian Persecution in the Holy Land

Time: 30:31–44:17

A. Testimony from the Field: Khalil Said (Agora Initiative)

• Khalil Said spotlights rising anti-Christian violence in Israel and the occupied territories.
• He distinguishes between longstanding tensions and a recent, quantifiable surge in attacks on Christians by Israeli extremists & settlers, particularly under the Netanyahu government’s political alignment with far-right groups.

"The Israeli police used to crack down on them more... Now we're seeing attacks on Christians because they're Christians." — Khalil Said [32:00]

• Notable Facts:
  • Over 61 attacks on clergy and religious in Israel in 2025 alone.
  • Christian population in Jerusalem has dwindled to less than 1% from nearly 28% in 1925.

B. Anti-Christian Ideology Among Some Extremist Israelis

• Said recounts insights from Israeli Zionist friends, revealing that in certain religious-seminary settings, Christians are seen as the main enemy, more so than Muslims, due to theological differences.
• Bannon and Said jointly blame the current Israeli government coalition for enabling or tolerating these attacks.

C. Lack of Institutional Support from Churches

• Why don't Western churches speak up?
  • Said argues: Western church leaders (especially in America) are cowed by accusations that criticism of Israel equates with antisemitism.
  • Leadership in Jerusalem does push back, but Western church authorities, including bishops and even the Vatican, have been mostly silent or timid.

“To say any criticism of Israel or these extremists is antisemitic is really wrong... The Catholics in America are almost blackmailed — 'to maintain dialogue, you must never criticize Israel.'” — Khalil Said [39:51]

• Ben Harnwell adds:
  • The Catholic Church since the 1960s (post-Vatican II) has been institutionally weakened and reluctant to defend Christians, except occasionally via platitudes about “international peace.”

“The institutional Catholic Church is wholly unable to do anything to defend either Christianity or Christians... except in the most extreme cases.” — Ben Harnwell [42:09]

D. Concrete Examples and Social Media Outrage

• Bannon and Harnwell discuss viral videos of Jews spitting on Christian clergy and pilgrims.
• Bannon calls for radical new thinking: “We need a new Christian state of Jerusalem... Christians in charge of their holiest sites.” [49:02]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is a populist nationalist movement that is quite traditionalist in its outlook and it will not. We're going to finish what we started." — Steve Bannon [15:25]
• "These attacks have been happening for years... It's only now with social media and political pressure that it's coming out." — Ben Harnwell [48:03]
• “We need a three state solution. We need to get the Christians in charge of the holiest sites of Christendom, full stop.” — Steve Bannon [49:02]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:47–07:48 | Trump 2.0 book, redistricting battles, New York Times list, conservative media strategy | | 10:02–14:46 | Fake NGOs, Working Families Party, ACORN’s legacy, Soros funding, risk to democracy | | 14:46–22:47 | Populist outrage at GOP, Marxist tactics, cultural and AI war | | 30:31–44:17 | Christian persecution in the Holy Land, guests Khalil Said and Ben Harnwell comment | | 39:51–44:17 | Institutional church silence, Vatican II, social media exposing attacks | | 49:02 | Radical proposal: “Christian state” of Jerusalem, stewarding the Church of the Holy Sepulchre|

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Guest Social & Contact References

• Sean Spicer: Twitter: @SeanSpicer, Book: Trump 2.0 on Amazon, Live event: Kennedy Center, May 15
• Joe Hoft: Reporting: johoft.com & Gateway Pundit
• Dr. Bradley Thayer: X (Twitter): @SteveBradThayer, GETTR/TruthSocial: @BradleyThayer
• Khalil Said: Agora Initiative: theagorainitiative.org, Twitter: @khaliljerious
• Ben Harnwell: GETTR: @arnwell, X: @benwell
• Neil McCabe: @reportermccabe

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The episode knits together domestic political activism and global issues affecting Christians through Bannon’s ideological framework: populist-nationalist, anti-Marxist, and combative toward both establishment Republicans and leftist NGOs.
• The plight of Christians in Israel is presented as an urgent, under-covered crisis, with calls for Christian audience activism and more institutional church leadership.
• Listeners are encouraged to get informed, take action (especially on redistricting), and to support conservative alternative media and causes.

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For further reading and action:

• Visit the referenced websites for more information on reported topics.
• Revisit key moments with the provided timestamps to hear directly from the speakers.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go

[Khalil Said]

to share the big lie?

[Steve Bannon]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Sean Spicer]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k.

[Steve Bannon]

Band Saturday 2nd May your Lord 2026 we're in a fight. We're going to finish what we started. We're juggling. We got an all star cast for this hour and we're going to go from Israel to the war and the war here at home. And it's a political warfare. This is why Mayday. They didn't choose Mayday randomly. That is the Marxist communist high holy day. This is why they had it at usa. This is why we teed it up. This is why. Thayer, one of the most brilliant guys around, has taken a year of his life to work on this book that tells you about the Hundred Year War between Marxism and communism in the United States of America. You saw it yesterday in the streets. We could have played you hours of those young kids of how they've been twisted by these Marxists in the education system that you're paying for. Just remember, you're paying, you're paying for the destruction of your own country. That's why this whole thing's like a Greek tragedy. The greatest strength of the hero turns out to be the underside of his weakness that destroys him. Sean Spicer so this weekend Bomber Command is, we're putting it up. The Twitter feed of Caroline Wren, the tour de feed of Alex de Grasse and the Twitter feed of Sean Spicer. I want you to go to all three of them continually be checking it out. And to make sure you're taking appropriate action, they're putting up names and numbers to put up the number. I think it was a cell phone number, the guy in South Carolina. I'm sure that turned out well for him. Spicer we're in it now. That's why the book, and also the book is a cause celebrate for us because the New York Times and this is another of the great imprints we have at Skyhorse, along with War Room, you know, putting out all the best conservative and Trump books, the New York Times, which if you get on the New York Times bestseller list, and this is what happened to kill to order our book, the War Room book that came out a couple weeks ago, it made number eight the first week. Then it gets expanded. Other lists pick it up, other venues pick it up, because it's New York Times top 10. The following week, it was number nine. So people now have a broader context of understanding the demons of the Chinese Communist Party and what they do. That's why it's so important that Trump 2.0 make the top 10. And I think we're on the cusp. Sean Spicer, if we get a couple three sales today on the show of people that are pro President Trump. But as you know, the bias of the New York Times is to shut down anything that says Trump they want to eviscerate. Sir.

[Sean Spicer]

Absolutely. And I mean, look, we've been crushing it this week with sales, largely because you and the War Room posse and actually all the whole real America's Voice team has been phenomenal. President Trump wrote the forward. I think that people in the New York Times world are pretty scared. But the numbers are there. The next 24 hours are crucial. Steve, just to bottom line this. So if people go, and I've said this all week to the RAV community, but if you go to Amazon and order Trump 2.0, send a screenshot of your purchase to contact@sean spicer.com, i will send out for you a book plate, personalized. So if you want it made as a gift to somebody or yourself, I, I love to collect signed books. We'll send this out to you in the next few days. But like all you do is go to Amazon, order the book, send a screenshot if you want it signed, and I'll send you out this little book plate that you insert into the book that makes it a signed book. And I'll personalize it if you want it, to your mom for Mother's Day or something like that. But anyway, I appreciate all the support from the War Room Posse, from everyone at Real America's Voice, but this needs to be a New York Times bestseller list because the whole book is about the Trump 2.0 agenda, what's at stake, why it's important that it be made permanent, why different than Trump to 1.0. And that's the key thing, is that everybody gets what President Trump is doing, whether it's NATO, trade dei Eradication, closing the border. But understanding what happened in those intervening four years is a model going forward. What America First Policy Institute Project 2025, America First Legal. There's an entire case, Steve, you and I were there the first. I like to point this out to people. Do you realize that President Trump didn't go to the Kennedy center the entire first four years. He didn't go this time in Trump 2.0 after Spicer v. Biden, the lawsuit that we've talked about before, he fired everyone on the board, renamed the building and then moderated the Kennedy Center Honors live on cbs. This is a very different administration and there's a reason for it. And there's a reason that President Trump wrote the forward to president to Trump 2.0 because explaining that to people like, you know, I always like to ask the question, why? Why is something happening? Why is something taking off? Why something fail? Understanding the root cause of this, unlike Kamala Harris, is important. And so to me, if you want to understand why Trump 2.0 is being as successful it is in countless areas, you've got to get this book. Go to Amazon right Now, order Trump 2.0 and if you want it signed, send a screenshot to contactaunspicer.com Sean, also,

[Steve Bannon]

in addition, I want people to go to your Twitter feed.

[Sean Spicer]

We can, oh, yeah, I got Steve, I got breaking news for you. You asked. I delivered it in the break for you. The special session in Alabama has been called. They're going to be quick with this. They're trying to get it done in five days. I'll put this out all out on Twitter. But, but it's exclusive to you guys right now in real time. They think they can have this wrapped in 48 hours, most likely as late as Tuesday. They are going to actually try to test the 70 map. They're going for the full baby now, the test of the will, Steve, and this is where your pressure of your posse is going to be important, is they're going to knock Shamari out. That'll go to 6:1, but they might settle at 6:1. We got to keep the pressure on him to go full 707 0.

[Steve Bannon]

That's, that's historic. Also, we got South Carolina in play. Mississippi, Tennessee. We got to put some pressure on Georgia. Kemp is taking a well, we do

[Sean Spicer]

it one state at a time. Right? And that's the thing, is that we went from think about this, guys. In 48 hours ago, the governor was saying, oh, I don't know that I can do it now. We have a special section, by the way. I got a lot of pushback when I put that out on Twitter the other day that I broke the story that Alabama was going to do this. Even people high up in this movement said to me, you're wrong. Now, the special session is called as I predicted, as I reported, and I'm telling you now that on Monday, they'll go for the full seven. Oh, they hope to have it wrapped within 48 hours. They may settle at 6. 1. But exactly what I predicted was gonna happen. Not predicted, reported exclusively. And I'm sharing this with you guys now just to, you know, the War Room Posse, first and foremost. It'll go up on Twitter as soon as we're done.

[Steve Bannon]

Sean Spicer, thank you so much. One more time, Sean, where do people go for the book and where do they go for your Twitter feed over the weekend, sir?

[Sean Spicer]

Yeah, I forgot, obviously, the book Trump 2.0 is available on Amazon. I'm on Twitter, Sean Spicer, but if you're in the D.C. area or want to take a trip, speaking of the Kennedy center, we're going to be live at the Kennedy center doing an event, which is kind of scary, on May 15th. Tickets are free. You can get VIP tickets as well@Sean Spicer.com and. And I'm excited because the VIP reception is on the roof, which I've never been on the roof. I'm scared of heights. But I think before it closes for a few years, I'm excited for that experience. So, yeah, this is going to be.

[Steve Bannon]

We're going to get you back on a Monday. I want everybody, although the entire expanded policy, to hear that because we packed it for kill to order for Jan's. That Tony.

[Sean Spicer]

Oh, by the way, I did a great. Jan's on my show. By the way, Steve, on Friday, I sat down with him at epic times. He just put out a great thing. We uploaded it to Twitter. But I sat down with Jan. He's gonna talk about his book with me next week on Friday. So he did a great interview with me about Trump 2.0 that just came out on Epoch Times, and they put it out on their socials. He's going to be on my show on Friday, so this is going to be fun. And then obviously, we'd love to have you guys all come out to the Kennedy center on May 15th.

[Steve Bannon]

May 15th on the roof. Warren Posse will be there. All right, Sean, great work. Great scoops on this and great work on the redistricting. Thank you, sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

You bet.

[Sean Spicer]

Thanks for having me.

[Steve Bannon]

Over the weekend. Bomber Command is Sean Spicer's Twitter feed. Caroline Wren's Twitter feed. Alex DeGrasse is 200ft. I'm gonna get them all back on on Monday. You're making great strides. This thing, when it first. Oh, no, nothing can happen. It's just gonna be Louisiana. Screw that. There are at least, I don't know, potentially 15 pickups here, and we're gonna need every one of them. Is Joe Hoft with us? Joe Hoft, I want a quick update on Jim, but also you've got this reporting. I want to make sure that we talk about all these NGOs and the ACORN fakes. And so people understand this because nothing could be better than commemorating May Day to put these Marxists out of business than understanding the scams they're running on the American people. Sir.

[Joe Hoft]

Yeah, thanks, Steve. Yeah, and speaking about that, as you talk about May Day, I'm thinking about in the Catholic Church, the month of May is the month for Mary. And it's amazing that The Communists used May 1, which is a day of celebration for Mary, as their day of celebration as well. It's really just evil. It's clearly a spiritual war and could go on and on about that. But yeah, we've got some pieces we put [e-mail] and the Gateway Pundit over the last nine days, and they are. They involve this connection between nonprofits, foreign entities and others and the. And how they worked together in the. To basically steal that 2020 election. We know it was stolen and we've revisited some posts we put up a few years back and added to them. And ultimately it. Much of this does lead back to the days of acorn. Many of these people that were in ACORN basically moved over to this Working Families Party out of New York, which has now basically taken over the Democrat Party there. You have to be a member of the Working Families Families Party to be elected. We found that actually maybe the first connection to that party was schumer back in 1998. He spoke about that recently. All of these people that we know, Letitia James, we found she was the first one to.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, but don't, don't bury the lead. Is that when Andrew Breitbart and James o' Keefe and Jim Hoff and Gateway Pundit and others took down and destroyed acorn. It just recreated itself. It took over and went into the husk of the Working Families Party. And that's why the Working Families Party is so strong, because the acorn, the acorns particularly money Coming from the federal government and outside foreign money, they still exist. They just call themselves the Working Family Party.

[Joe Hoft]

That's right. And they created basically a party so that instead of just going out and getting voter registrations or making them up or whatever they did, they're now, they created a party and all these individuals in New York State now are connected to that party. You can be a member of two parties in New York. So you'll be a member of Democrat Party and this Working Families Party. And you pretty much can't win without it. AOC is part of this group. The current Mayor Mondami of New York City. The list goes on and on and on. Hillary was. Now we find Schumer's been a part, a part of the group for a long time. And this was how it's down.

[Steve Bannon]

It's just not New York. They're very powerful in Houston. They're getting very powerful in north of Dallas, Fort Worth, in the Metroplex. There are Marxist jihadist group and they're very powerful. They go door to door. I mean, they do the hard work. These people go door to door and they're funded by outside groups and that. Hey, Joe, where do people go to get all this? Your new updates on this? Because this is connecting dots that people.

[Joe Hoft]

Yeah, sure is. Yeah. Go to gateway pundit or joehoff.com and we'll probably have another piece out today. And yeah, it's funded. They call them Working Families Party. It's funded by Soros and, you know, big, big monsters. And so it's. There's nothing small about this thing. It's.

[Steve Bannon]

It's. No, no, it's huge.

[Joe Hoft]

It's atrocity.

[Steve Bannon]

What's, what's the status of Jim? What's Jim's status?

[Joe Hoft]

So we were on here earlier this week and he was going to be having surgery on Tuesday. That didn't work out. He's now in there was. He was going to be moved to a new hospital. That's where they were going to do the surgery that didn't work out until Wednesday and there's been a lot of tests and they're really still, I'd say, in the process of deciding which will be the best route to take. That's safest and best for Jim and that's going to fix this situation. Jim has a heart problem. He had major surgery about 12, 13, 14 years ago. And unfortunately, you know, it's been slowing him down quite a bit over the last year. He's just really, really wiped out. But he's in the right place. He's got really great teams of doctors surrounding him and they're trying to figure out which is the right move. Latest I've heard is that now it'll be this coming Tuesday for some type of surgery. But, you know, we'll see.

[Steve Bannon]

Where do they go for your social media? Where do they go to pray for Jim? Where they go for all your content, sir?

[Joe Hoft]

Well, thanks, Steve. Yeah, you can go to joehoff.com I'll be sharing an update on Jim later today and we'll get, get that out and then certainly Gateway pundit. And just, you know, we got a lot of people calling and talk and asking, you know, what can we do. But prayers are, prayers are requested and appreciate you, you know, sharing this, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, thank you, Joe. Appreciate you. And of course your brother, twin brother. Jim. Jim and Joe Hoff. Short break. Back in the war room on an on fire Saturday next. If you're 65 or already on Medicare, listen up folks, and grab a pen, maybe even a number two pencil, call 845-WAR-ROOM. That's 845-WAR-DOM. Call it right now. I'm serious. Call it now. Here's why. The insurance companies and their lackeys in the Washington swamp have built a Medicare system designed to confuse you and rip you off. Rising premiums, denied claims, fine print. Nobody but a lobbyist understands. Millions of American seniors are paying too much and getting too little. And worst of all, most don't even know it. Hey, that could be you. That's why if you're already on Medicare or will be soon, you need to talk to our friends at Chapter. They have a team of advisors trained to serve American seniors, not the insurance companies. 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There's much evidence Karl Marx was a dark occultist and he cites a book, Marx and Satan, which I admit I have not read yet, but I'm ordering right now. I will read it ASAP. Dr. Bradley Thayer. It is very dark. We have to face this. The, the Republican Party, the Chamber of Commerce, those people that are always with us, they're not fighters. They just want to go along to get along. Give them a little tax cut, do this, do that, a little, that's fine. They want to go to the club and play golf. They want to, you know, be part of the community and be accepted by their betters that run the culture in this country. They're not going to fight. That's why this has always been the MAGA movement's always been a working class, middle class group of fighters. And we're not going to give up. This is a populist nationalist movement that is quite traditionalist in its outlook and it will not. We're going to finish what we started. Think about it. This whole thing on the DEI gerrymandering that's been around for decades and decades and decades and nobody fought it. And finally people had the guts down in Louisiana to do it. And then when it was announced as unconstitutional, all these phony Republicans are, I love the Constitution, the constitutional holy document. I love the Constitution. Where in the hell were you and why were you not prepared to shut down these unconstitutional districts and do whatever you needed to do to make it happen? Until this show, this audience, people like Ren and Degrasse and Spicer and others. And then finally the president, like Trump, doesn't have enough on his fricking plate. Everybody's telling me how Trump's awful, Trump doing this, Trump, he got the whole world on his shoulders. He's fighting everybody still trying to put him in prison. And he's got to call Bill Lee in Tennessee. He's got to call McMasters of South Carolina. Good God in heaven, when is somebody going to pick it up? You've been drafting off him and leeching off him for 10 fricking years. You're all there sucking up to him to get his endorsement. Why does he have to call Bill Lee in Tennessee? Why does he have to call Ivy in Alabama? Why does he got enough? He's got enough to do. This is outrageous. And I don't want to hear about his shortcomings. I want to know what, what you're doing. I know what this audience is doing, not you. I'm talking about the Republican establishment. Guys like Thune and Johnson. You're a bunch of leeches. All you are is leeches. I detest you almost as much as I detest these Marxists. Why? Because you know what the threat is and you just sit there in the United States Senate. If we lose the United States Senate, it's because you deserve to be beaten. You haven't done anything except sit there with your donors and Johnson and everybody in Politico. Well, we got a billion dollars of cash. Your cash ain't gonna save you. Call Cornyn. Call La Civita and see how it saved Cornyn down in Texas. To save him $100 million to destroy a good man like Ken Paxton. To hell with all of you. You have proven in the last 72 hours how incredibly feckless you are. And please don't sit there. Go. I love the Constitution. I'm a constitutional conservative. Screw you. You are gutless, feckless coward is what you are. I'm a constitutional conservative. I'm tired of it. The reason this country's in this shape, because you didn't fight, you went along with it. You are a collaborator. You are a collaborator with a bunch of Marxists, jihadists, atheists, demonic occultist. I'm a constitutional conservative. I'm a principled constitutional conservative. Mike Pence, put it where the sun doesn't shine. Some of you sanctimonious. Dr. Bradley Thayer, thoughts, sir?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Well, Lennon did have the idea of useful idiots, Steve. And I think that's what we're really seeing here. As you're comments captured. A lot of folks are working for the other side, whether they know it or not. Look, what we need to do to win is to know who we are as Americans and value Western civilization. And secondly, we need to know the enemy. And the enemy told us how he operates. Lenin said, I need agitation. I need, secondly, propaganda. Thirdly, I need organization, focused, directed, organized movements that rely on agitation, propaganda and violence. Right. Coercion, violence. When they're not getting their way, they're going to turn to that. So we need to see where we are, understanding ourselves, understanding the enemy, and why we're going to win. Because America is far stronger than these neo Bolsheviks, even though we've got prodigious problems. And one element to leave on is really to understand how artificial intelligence is going to affect this. The Bolsheviks have captured the ideas, industry, educational system, law firms, media, et cetera. They're feeding the LLMs off of that. Right. So the content going in to what Sam Altman is creating is going to be. Neil Bolshevik. So we've got to stop that.

[Steve Bannon]

Dr. Thayer, we're going to have a lot more to discuss about your book and your work. I'll get you back on here about the war. Where do people go to keep up with you over the weekend?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Steve Brad Thayer at X or Bradley Thayer Getter in truth. Thanks very much.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. And thank you for taking your Saturday to be with us. Neil. I got a lot to talk to you about. I guess we'll get back to it on Monday. But I do want to give a heads up. Ed Martin, Eagle Ed, he doesn't put. When he puts something up on Twitter, people should focus on it. Talk to me. What real quickly, what did he do about the Chinese Communist Party and infiltration? I want to make sure people see this tweet and we're going to spend much more time on it early next week. Sir. Sure. There's a group in China called IBRAIN which is working to combine your body and brain to computers. And, and that's all well and good. They're free to do whatever they want. The problem is when you have American scientists and American universities who are participating in this and he was calling out Charles Lieber and there are actually six others. These are US Scientists who are now going to China and cooperating. And this goes back to the work that Ed Martin was doing when he was the D.C. u.S. Attorney, calling out these nonprofits and these universities who, who are basically hand in glove with the Chinese Communist Party. Steve, it's all inextricably linked, okay? They're fighting for the enemy. The enemy is Marxist jihadist, the Red Green Alliance. Now you add in the globalist nature of it and you see the fight we got. And if people don't want to be on fight, hey, I'm good with that. That's fine. You're free men and women. Make your own choices. But here and in this show, we're down for this fight. We live for this fight and we're going to be victorious. Why? Because what does history show us? If we don't quit, we'll eventually win. Neil McCabe, social media where do people get you over the weekend? Thank you for changing your schedule to get over the White House today and give us a great report. Where do people go? Hey, Steve, you can find me on all the socials at reporter McCabe and it's good to be with you, sir. Great job. Neal McKay, thank you. Being at The White House this morning holding down the fort. Ben Harnwell, I've been ranting and raving all morning. That's why I had to get to have your safe, steady pair of hands. Give me your assessment of May Day, by the way. May 1, I think is St. Joseph's the Workers Day in the Catholic Church. I remember as a kid that used to always say May Day was the. At least May 1 was to talk about St. Joseph as the carpenter. Right. And the hard work he did. Ben Harnwell, your thoughts?

[Ben Harnwell]

That's absolutely right. Of course, that's why the communists picked made the first because they wanted to take the theme, continue with the theme introduced by the Catholic Church, one of the great pillars of Western civilization. Keep the theme of, of saying, well we're interested in the worker, but strip out all of the foundations and the scaffolding behind the concept, which is basically pretty much what communism is, an extension in that sense of the Enlightenment, which is to try to keep to a certain extent the same moral framework provided by 2000 Years of Christianity, but without the revelation and just pinning it on rationalism. That's what I mean. In this sense it's a continuation of the Enlightenment project and we can see how well it's succeeding. It's not succeeding at all.

[Steve Bannon]

This attack in the United States, this outright political attack that a lot of people just don't want to face and confront of what we got, you've seen it in Europe, you've seen it has cut through in particular places like England. It's destroyed the pillars of and they come at it from cultural, they come at sociological and this is why it must be combated here in the United States. This is the moment and this is the fight. This is why they hate Trump. Ben Harnwell thoughts? We got about a minute to break.

[Ben Harnwell]

Yeah. This would never have happened, I don't think in the west. To the degree that it's happening now, anytime before 1958, which was when Pius XII died, many people consider, some people consider to be the last true Catholic Pope. After that period onwards, the communism has been infiltrating the Catholic Church via the Second Vatican Council and onward via the bishops, the so called bishops and what have you. And now we have what was a traditional bulwark against communism now actually encouraging it. That's why the fight is so extreme and taking place the level that it is doing now. I close with this, Steve. Pius XII quite correctly said that Catholics can't even work with communists even on areas to promote peace, because communism is so iniquitous and so evil. Pius XII is absolutely right, but he was the last pope to say that sort of thing.

[Steve Bannon]

Dead spot on in the Communist particularly. The Soviet Union had a very sophisticated plan to infiltrate the Catholic Church, very sophisticated plan. And then Vatican ii, they definitely didn't even see it and try to destroy one of the traditional pillars of the West. And then you got you got what you got. Today prevost the American quote, unquote the American we're going to take a short command. Commercial break we're going to turn with a quite controversial topic that has to be addressed the fate of Christians in the Christian Holy Land. We're going to take a short commercial break. We'll be back in the morning.

[Joe Hoft]

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[Sean Spicer]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban

[Steve Bannon]

Khalil Said joins us. He's the director of the Agora Initiative. Khalil, can you tell us describe what that is and what place does it have in the Holy Land right now, sir.

[Khalil Said]

Thank you, Steve, for having me. First of all, you're one of the few conservative commentator to have Palestinian Christians and give them voice, not just with me, but before that. The Gore Initiative is an organization based in Washington that seeks to educate the public about the importance of peace in the Holy Land between Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Muslims and all people who live there. We believe that peace is achievable and can happen when everyone has their own rights. And one of the main things we have been doing in the last couple of years, Steve, is focused on the unfortunate increase attacks on Christians of all backgrounds in the Holy Land. Not only Palestinian Christians anymore, but Christians, period.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, we had this attack, I guess that was caught on video. First of you had the IDF soldier that was destroying the crucifix, the large crucifix you had. Then the situation with I guess a French nun that was attacked, my understanding, has been arrested. What is, why do we seem to have an increase? It's simply that there's more surveillance technology or cell phones out there and we're seeing it. It's been going on for a while. Or is it really an increase? And if it is an increase, what is causing that?

[Khalil Said]

The truth is that such attacks has always been there in the Holy Land by Israeli radicals. But for historical records, these groups used to be fragile and used to be French. They weren't really in the mainstream Israeli politics. The Israeli police used to crack on them more. And also there has been spike in the numbers of these attacks. And the reason I think why this is happening is that because the Netanyahu government has allowed itself to build a coalition with the far right extremists within the Israeli politics, those whose teachers have taught them for so many years that it is a command to spit on Christian, it is a command to look at Christians and as adulterer. Also their teachers have pushed for so long that Jerusalem has to be exclusively Jewish. And therefore you have to push everyone out, Muslims and Christians, but specifically Christians, because Christians are seen by those people as worships of adulterers because we believe in the Trinity and we believe in the lordship and kingship of our Lord Jesus Christ. So this has been an issue historically, we've seen more attacks on Palestinian Christians and it was like really hard to to know whether this is an attack because these people are Christians or whether because they're Palestinians only. But now we're seeing attacks on Christians because they're Christians. And to give you an example, this nun that was attacked, she Was French national. She's not Palestinian, she's not Arab nor Middle Eastern. Was attacked only because she is a Christian.

[Steve Bannon]

What is people, when they think about the far right, the far right in Israel, they think it's, it's anti Islamic, anti Muslim. Talk to me about its anti Christian, their anti Christian basis, sir.

[Khalil Said]

So I'll give you an example from a personal relationship I had with a great friend of mine who's an Israeli, he's Zionist and he was at one of those yeshivas in the west bank or what they call the Israelis called Judea in Samaria. He was religious Zionist. Part of this yeshiva is like the school where Jewish rabbis learn. And he told me one of the things they learn at those yeshivas is that although we are fighting with the Muslims right now, the main enemy from their point of view, theologically are the Christians. Because Muslims, like Jews, believe in what's so known as monotheism, and therefore they look at Muslims as monotheistic religion. They have more in common with them than with Christianity. But he said the main enemy is always Christians because the Trinity, because, for example, they're not allowed to go to churches and pray there. And usually the implication of that also that churches shouldn't be there for a lot of those extreme settlers because the churches, unlike mosques, are seen as sign of adultery. So that's, I think the issue we're dealing with right now. Today, the main right wing newspaper in Israel, like center right, not extreme, has published an article in which it said that the attacks on Christian has gotten out of hands in Israel to the extent that they recorded over 61 attacks on religious figures on like nuns and priests. In the year 2025, over 18 attacks in Jerusalem against churches and over 51 attacks that harmed Christian properties in Jerusalem. The number of Christians in Jerusalem has dropped to a historically very low number. Less than 1%. There are Christians in Jerusalem. Back in 1925, under the British Mandate, we had about 28% Christians in Jerusalem.

[Steve Bannon]

How could this be happening now when we are, you know, allies in this war in Iran and Israel militarily is so dependent upon the United States of America? How could you have this increase and attacks on Christians at the same time? More than ever, the Israeli military is tied to the United States. Whether people like that or not, it just happens to be a fact. How could you be fighting a war and prosecuting a war that, as Marco Rubio said, not Steve Bannon. Marco Rubio said at the sticks at the State Department that the imminent attack was going to be on Israel. And that's why we attacked first. How could this be happening during this war?

[Khalil Said]

Sir, the reality is that the Israelis view the Americans as naive and they view them as people they can manipulate and people who are more or less under their control, not in some sort of anti Semitic conspiracy. No, I'm not suggesting that, but they understand that they have influence. Netanyahu is on the record saying we got the Americans in our pocket and we can depend on abac, we can depend on other pro Israel lobbies there, that the US will support us no matter where we're doing. And they also depend on what's so known as Christian Zionism here in the US and groups like CUFI and groups like, you know, other Christian Zionists who are, have taken space among the conservative Christians here and they think that these people will support them no matter what. And for so long they've managed to bring all sorts of Christians to the Holy Land to see Jerusalem and the holy sites while ignoring the Christians who live there. Whether they're Palestinian Christians who their ancestors have been there for 2,000 years like myself, or even just like German and French and American monks and priests who live there and who, because they live there, they've been spit on, they've been attacked by Israeli extremists, and when these tours are taken to Israel, they ignore completely that reality. And the people who live there in order to shape the American mind to think that there is some sort of complete, you know, civilizational alignment between the state of Israel and the US and the truth is, even if that has element of truth historically with the new thinking in Israel, there are more anti Christian hate and there are obviously also anti Muslim hate and anti other groups hate in a way that is, in my opinion, anti Christian too. Because as Christians, we are taught by our Lord to see everyone created in the image of God. When I see a Muslim kid dying or when I see a Jewish kid dying, I should grieve and cry in the same way as when I see a Christian kid dying. But the unfortunate reality, we have what so used to be a minority in Israel that have managed to grab power right now and think otherwise, think that Jewish life, and Israeli Jewish life specifically matters much more than anyone else there.

[Steve Bannon]

Why did the Christians in the Holy Land not have more support? And let's set aside the evangelical churches here and the megachurches that are maybe very tied to Israel, but the Catholic Church and Orthodox other churches, the other major branches of the Christian faith, the Catholicism, the Orthodox Church, they're not exactly. They don't Exactly. Have your guys back, right?

[Khalil Said]

Not fully, you know, partially the church itself. The institutions there do support Christians as much as possible, including by schools that they are provided to Palestinian Christians and to Muslims for that sake. The church serves both the hospitals, etc.

[Steve Bannon]

But you haven't. But hang on. But hang on. Yes, they do that. I got that. But like, these incidents have been happening recently. You really haven't seen. They haven't come in and dropped the hammer and used all the influence and power that they do have on any of this. This has been people that have been outraged. These are Catholics and Christians been outraged about what's going on and have made a big deal about this. But the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church and all the different branches of the Orthodox Church have really sat by and done nothing.

[Khalil Said]

Yes. And I think that's the difference between, like, you know, the leadership of the church in Jerusalem have been consistent in calling out these attacks. But the leaders of the chur in the west and specifically in America has been very reluctant to talk about these issues. Remember when Carrie Pollar brought up these issues at the hearing of the White House Committee on Religious Freedom, she was fired, but also condemned by certain bishops at the Catholic Church here in the US And I think their concern is that these issues are right away taught as it's anti Semitic, these accusations, et cetera. Now, obviously anti Semitic is evil. We would never see support or endorse that. But to say that any criticism of Israel, any criticism of these Israeli extremists who are killing Palestinians or killing Muslims or killing Christians is anti Semitic, it's really wrong. And I think a lot of these Catholics, brothers and sisters here in the US are really drained by what's so known as the Jewish Christian religious dialogue. And they are, more or less, I mean, the way I see it, is almost blackmailed by our Jewish brothers and sisters to tell them, in order for us to talk to you about religious dialogue and harmony here in the US and protozim, you have to fully support Israel, never criticize Israel. And I didn't see enough Christian leaders who would say to them, oh, listen, wait a second, we are committed to the safety of American Jews. We're committing to the safety of Jewish people worldwide. But listen, you also have to care about Christians brothers and sisters in Israel, in Jerusalem, and also in the Palestinian territories, because at the end of the day, we're part of the Christendom.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on for one second. Ben Harnwell, he makes the case that, hey, maybe the Americans and some of the bishops here were embarrassing, but I haven't actually seen a lot of fire breathing coming out of Rome to support really anything that's going on in protection of Christians in the Holy Land, protection of the actual sites of the Holy Land. What I see is the Pope is going to interfaith dialogue playing footsies with the Muslims in Africa. Sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

Well, to come back to the point I was mentioning just a few moments ago, really, for the last 65 years or so, the institutional Catholic Church is

[Steve Bannon]

wholly

[Ben Harnwell]

unable to do anything to defend either Christianity or Christians rather than in the most extreme cases when silence would simply be impossible to go through a performative set of platitudes about promoting peace, never the peace brought about through faith in Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace. Obviously it's the peace brought about by the international rules based order sponsored by the United Nations. That's the role of the so called the institutional Catholic Church, which has very little these days to do with the traditional Catholic faith. I know we're coming up to another break, but I'll just close with this. A couple of Wednesdays ago, Steve, we do our show, which is the review of developments in Christianity every Wednesday. And we had a couple of minutes of footage of Orthodox Jews in full schmutter with the hat and all the rest of it spitting. I think they were South Korean pilgrims carrying the cross in procession down a very sort of strict restricted cobblestone walkway. Relative silence from the west or certainly from the Catholic Church. We also had views footage of people, Jews spitting on monks, on, on priests, all sorts of things spitting outside doors to churches. And we closed the montage with the, I think the actual defense minister, the Israeli defense minister saying when he was questioned about this, oh, it's a tradition that we have in Judaism, spitting outside churches or spitting in front of of religious figures in the same way, Steve, that you know, we say in the west, oh, it's a tradition to put tinsel on a Christmas tree.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Sean Spicer]

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[Khalil Said]

They can go to our website. It's theagorainitiative.org they can find our website. They can subscribe to our newsletter. Also, I'm on Twitter X. My name is Khalil Sayed. The handle is khaliljerious.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Thank you for coming on. Also just want to reinforce Gateway pundits. Got it up. The assailant of the French nun. You gotta wonder how many of these have gone where they didn't have the surveillance capability. But the assailant of the French nun has been arrested just like they arrested the IDF soldier. I'd like to have a military tribunal to check the chain of command of what he was ordered to do. I think that'd be helpful. Ben Harnwell, thank you for changing up your Saturday to join us, sir. Where do people go to get your bdi? First off, any closing thoughts before we go to your Getter feed?

[Ben Harnwell]

Yeah, I'm absolutely sure, Steve, that these things have been happening for years and they're only coming out now because the political tide has changed to such an extent that people, it's impossible to suppress it. Also the presence of social media. So if the mainstream media, the Guardian for example, yesterday wrote about this, that would have never have happened. They're sort of shamed into it because like everyone else we'd seen this sort of scrolling on x 24 hours in the cycle beforehand. So these are the factors that are changing. I wish I could have a whole hour to talk about this. Fundamentally, I think there are people responsible for the fact that this degree of contempt towards Christianity has been allowed to fester in some quarters of the Israeli society. And I'd suggest some evangelicals in the United States have some reckoning to do in the recesses of their own conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

But I got. Hey, hang on. They should reckon with this. We need a new Christian state of Jerusalem. The Christians got to be in charge of their holiest sites, particularly the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. It's got to happen. There's a two state solution in Gaza with Qatar and the Turks. It's going to happen. The Christians need. We need a three state solution. We need to get the Christians in charge of the holiest sites of Christendom, full stop. No excuse not to have it. Where do they go to get you, Ben?

[Ben Harnwell]

Steve, that's what you call rolling the grenade in and then slamming the door quickly. Geta Arnwell, my social media platform of choice. I'm also, I do have an account, it's not very active on X which is Benwell. I know for the folks that aren't on Getter, you might also want to check that account out. Thanks Steve. God bless. Have a great Sunday.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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