Episode 5345: Redistricting Battle Heads to Tennessee

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room

Episode 5345: Redistricting Battle Heads to Tennessee

Date: May 4, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bannon’s War Room focuses on the urgent redistricting battles occurring in Southern states, especially Tennessee, following a recent Supreme Court decision dismantling key pillars of the Voting Rights Act. With key Republican strategists and activists, the discussion centers around the legal, historical, and political maneuvers shaping congressional maps ahead of the 2026 midterms. The second half pivots to pressing grassroots concerns about artificial intelligence, data centers, and regulatory responses in states like Missouri and Texas.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Historical Context of Voting Rights and Redistricting

• Civil Rights Expert (01:04): Outlines the post-Civil War amendments and major voting rights milestones. Argues “true democracy in this country is only 61 years old,” referencing the 1965 Voting Rights Act and its impact.

  • Emphasizes intersectionality of democracy: "It is black and white and brown" (02:54).

• News Reporter (03:52): Explains how the Supreme Court's recent ruling removes requirements for minority representation in congressional maps, enabling Tennessee and other states to redraw districts unfavorably for Democrats and black voters.

2. Republican Strategy and Redistricting Updates

Sean Spicer and Caroline Wren provide state-by-state breakdowns of redistricting progress (10:46–22:16):

• Georgia

  • Governor Kemp refuses special session; criticized for lack of action.
  • Caroline Wren: "The Georgia Republican establishment is the absolute worst... When it comes to protecting the most important thing we have, which is our sacred vote, there's nothing these guys will do." (19:19)

• South Carolina

  • Governor McMaster supportive, but state Senate president is blocking progress. One seat (Clyburn’s) is targeted.
  • "If we can get that to change, South Carolina has some hope." (10:46)

• Tennessee

  • Governor Bill Lee supports special session to redraw Memphis’ majority-black district.
  • Special session starts tomorrow; pressure from Senator Marsha Blackburn is noted (21:53).

• Mississippi & Alabama

  • Alabama: Potential for two new solid Republican seats; a "70 Republican majority" is the stretch target.
  • Mississippi unlikely to change this cycle due to post-primary timing.

• Louisiana

  • Mandated to redraw; question whether to risk a 7-0 GOP map vs. a safer 6-1.

• Overarching Strategy

  • Spicer: “Stop being such a bunch of wusses... Why are we saving a seat in South Carolina that could be ours? Why are we saving a seat in Memphis that could be ours? The majority is at stake. Trump 2.0 is at stake.” (17:25)
  • Caroline Wren: "Go and lose in court, but at least go to court, challenge this and try." (23:28)

3. Grassroots Pressure & Republican Leadership Critique

• Both Spicer and Wren urge continued MAGA grassroots involvement and pressure on state-level GOP to pursue maximal redistricting outcomes.
  • “There's things that they won't do that they can do, and that's the change in vernacular that we have to support." (22:16)
  • Critique of GOP legal culture: "Republican election attorneys are too often tied to large firms... We have a crisis in the Republican Party of lawyers who are willing to take this stuff on." (23:28)
• Discussion of Georgia’s Governor Kemp and motivations: “Kemp is praying that we get killed in the midterms and that Trumpism will be dead in 2028 cuz he wants to run for president.” (35:09)

4. Personalization and Stakes

• Focus on targeting high-profile Democrats by redistricting:
  • Clyburn (SC), Steve Cohen (TN), and Bennie Thompson (MS) are described as top MAGA targets.
  • Wren, on Thompson, chair of the Jan. 6th committee: “He ruined a year and a half of my life. If there is one seat that I cannot wait to see carved up and thrown out, it is Benny Thompson.” (37:21)

5. Artificial Intelligence: Legislation and Community Pushback

• Missouri State Senator Joe Nicola (38:17): Advocates for guardrails on AI, including barring AI from legal personhood.
  • “We cannot allow artificial intelligence to replace humans. And I want to keep human oversight over it." (39:27)
• Concerns about AI’s influence on youth mental health and social stability:
  • “These kids... are now going to AI chatbots... and we've had documented cases where these kids are being told to go ahead and commit suicide." (41:01)

6. Texas Data Centers and Rural Impact

• Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell from Daily Signal discusses the explosion of data centers in Texas, tying it to grassroots backlash.
  • Rural Texans fear increased costs and loss of land: “He was worried he was going to lose his family farm because AI companies wanted to purchase that land... If a data center bought the land next door... it might be too expensive to continue his farm." (49:04)
  • Anticipation of special session legislation and calls for research-based pause on construction to evaluate infrastructure/water impact.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Civil Rights Expert: "True democracy in this country is only 61 years old... the Voting Rights Act for the first time said black people were full citizens because they could vote." (01:04–02:54)
• Steve Bannon: “This is the primal dream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.” (07:37)
• Sean Spicer: “Stop being such a bunch of wusses... The majority is at stake. Trump 2.0 is at stake.” (17:25)
• Caroline Wren: "Go and lose in court, but at least go to court, challenge this and try... Republican election attorneys are too often tied to big firms." (23:28)
• Caroline Wren (on Bennie Thompson): “He ruined a year and a half of my life... If there is one seat I cannot wait to see carved up and thrown out, it is Benny Thompson.” (37:21)
• Senator Joe Nicola: “One that AI could not gain legal personhood... We cannot allow artificial intelligence to replace humans.” (39:27)
• Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell: “Rural people are worried about losing their land, electricity, and way of life as data centers pop up.” (49:04)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Civil Rights History & Voting Rights Act — 00:15–03:20
• Supreme Court Ruling & Tennessee Redistricting — 03:52–07:37
• State-by-State Redistricting Rundown (Spicer & Wren) — 10:46–22:16
• Legal Culture & Grassroots Strategy — 22:16–23:28
• Personal Feuds & Political Stakes in Redistricting — 35:09–37:46
• Missouri: AI Regulatory Push (Sen. Nicola) — 38:17–43:07
• Texas: Data Center Expansion & Backlash (Mitchell) — 46:47–52:27

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Action Items and “Marching Orders”

• Listeners are urged to call and pressure state officials, specifically the South Carolina Senate president, to support new redistricting maps.
• Ongoing campaigns to pressure Georgia’s Governor Kemp to act—or face blame for potential GOP losses.
• Calls for grassroots organization at state and county levels to combat unwanted AI/data center expansion.

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Conclusion

This high-energy episode offers a comprehensive, insider’s look at the GOP’s push to maximize House seats through aggressive redistricting in the South. It highlights the legal, historic, and political stakes of congressional mapping battles post-Voting Rights Act, while also capturing grassroots anxiety over unchecked advances in artificial intelligence and infrastructure strain from data centers. The show closes with fervent appeals for action, a sharp critique of GOP “performative” politics, and a continued rallying cry for MAGA-aligned activists at every level.

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Transcript

[Unknown Legal Analyst]

Is that there's a lot of things that we can be doing, like voter id. Like, every time you walk into a restaurant or a club, you have to show your id. How about you have to show your ID to vote? That's not anything. That's crazy. And that's what we should be talking about.

[Legal Expert]

Certainly one of the votes on Capitol

[Historian/Political Commentator]

Hill right now put that map up. Because I think you know where I'm going with this, because you are a student of history. The two states that are missing from this map are Arkansas and Texas, what we are looking at, and Virginia, what we are looking at is basically a map of the old Confederacy. And so this tug of war that you're talking about goes back to the Civil War. Please put into historical context for folks so that they truly understand. And I'm always pointing out that true democracy in this country is only 61 years old. If you go back to the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights act and why that was necessary.

[Civil Rights Expert]

Absolutely. Thank you, Jonathan. So let's start with what the Civil War decided. So post Civil war, we have three amendments that we talk about. The 13th amendment that ended indentured, ended slavery for most people, unless you're in prison. You have the 14th amendment that guaranteed birthright citizenship for now. And then you have the 15th amendment that said that the right to vote for everyone except for black women, or actually, at the time, black women and white women. And then when you get to the Voting Rights act, finally we add black women into it. But the 15th amendment said that you could not deny the right to vote based on race. And so what we saw was that it was working. We saw the sudden flourishing of black men in Congress, black men as governors. We saw a sea change, and it was so effective that Andrew Johnson rescinded all of this. And that's when we had what we know as the end of Reconstruction. Then you Fast forward the 19th Amendment gave White women the right to vote. And then you get to 1965, and that is when the Voting Rights act for the first time said that black people were full citizens of this country because they could vote. And it started to work. And then in 1975, there was an expansion of the Voting Rights act that said that using racial issues and language issues to exclude Native Americans, Asian Americans, that that was also unlawful. And so while black people have always been the centrifuge of fighting for democracy, this is something that implicates everyone. The work that we do at the 10 Steps campaign is about making sure that we see the whole map that we understand, all of the pieces that make our democracy work. But to your point, that map that you show is no longer just black and white. It is black and white and brown.

[Legal Expert]

Brown.

[Civil Rights Expert]

But more than half of black Americans live in the states that we're looking at. And so what we have to understand is that if they are capable of stripping power from that population, Democrats can't win again, progressives can't win again, democracy cannot win again unless the entire nation comes together to, for the second time, fight for black and brown folks in the South.

[Unknown Legal Analyst]

Not just about a single Instagram post. This is about a body of evidence that the grand jury collected over the series of about 11 if the only facts that existed was the posting of the Instagram, obviously that wouldn't have taken 11 months. Of course, the seashells are part of that case. I mean, that's what the public sees. But without a doubt. And it should be evident by the fact that it's been 11 months since the posting and the indictment. There is an investigation that takes place and that's the result. The result of that investigation is the indictment that was returned last week.

[News Reporter]

Republicans are looking to eliminate the state's only majority black congressional district and the last seat held by a Democrat. Ink had barely dried on the Supreme Court's takedown of the last remaining major pillar of the Voting Rights act when Donald Trump called on Tennessee's Republican governor Bill Lee, to redraw the state's congressional district so that Republicans can pick up another seat in this year's midterms. The court's Wednesday ruling means that Tennessee is no longer required to prioritize minority represent minority representation in the drawing of congressional districts, which gives Republicans the green light to slice up Memphis bottom left corner of your screen, the center of the state's black majority district into pieces that are designed to deliver it to Republicans in the fall. The governor, Bill Lee, called the legislature back to draw the new maps on Tuesday. The filing deadline for the state's August six primaries has already passed.

[Legal Skeptic]

John, count me as highly skeptical that DOJ has some piece of evidence that's a true game changer here, above and

[Sean Spicer]

beyond the post itself.

[Legal Skeptic]

Now, if this case charged some sort of sprawling ongoing conspiracy, some multi defendant scheme that went on over weeks or months, then sure, there could be evidence that hasn't yet come out at this early phase, but will come out soon. But if you look at the indictment, if you look at the statute that DOJ has chosen to charge here, if you look at the wording of the Indictment. It's quite clear that Jim Comey's Instagram post with the seashells, that is the case and the case is that post. So I'm skeptical there is going to be a few week period before the defense actually sees the discovery here. But it's hard to imagine a piece of evidence that would materially change the meaning of that phrase. As Jim Comey posted it, this shift

[News Reporter]

toward doing these things, if it's to please an audience of one or to please Donald Trump, like, what's the effect on the legal system when you sort of change the standard by which you choose to indict people?

[Legal Expert]

Yeah, I think this is a real affront to the rule of law. The idea behind that policy in DOJ's Principles of Federal prosecution, to refrain from filing charges unless you believe you can prove the case at trial and sustain that conviction on appeal is to avoid putting people through the wringer. And, you know, it's not enough to believe in your heart that they're guilty. You have to also be believe that you can prove that case at trial. If instead the standard is let's just throw it at the wall and see what we can get. That is a very dangerous place to be. And I also think that one of the things we've seen now with the Southern Poverty Law center case, with this case, some of the other cases that we saw against, for example, the members of Congress who made that video in which they simply stated the accurate statement of the law that service are entitled to refuse an unlawful order is we're just going to try to file charges against you. And maybe we can even win by losing. Remember when Ed Martin got the job of leading the weaponization task force? He's now moved off that and he's just the pardon attorney now. But he said, we are going to name and shame people. And in a society where shame is meaningful, this will be a way of holding people accountable even if we do not have evidence sufficient to convict them. That is something that Joyce and I, when we went through all of the training and years of experience that we got at the Justice Department, we're told was absolutely an abuse of the power of the Justice Department to be able to do that. And I think the thought is we'll file the charges, we'll please the president, and then even if we lose, we can show the base that we were out there trying and fighting for them, and we can even blame some woke judge as the reason we were unable to be successful. But we're on the right side and that is an abuse of DOJ's power.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal dream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going

medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot

all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

It's going to happen.

[Historian/Political Commentator]

And where do people like that go

[Steve Bannon]

to share the big lie?

[Sean Spicer]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,

[Caroline Wren]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Sean Spicer]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Monday 4 May in the Riverlord 2026. Welcome.

[Steve Kornacki]

We kick off the week here. Sean Spicer and Caroline Renner going to join us momentarily about the business in front of us in the next 48 to 72 hours. That's these redistrictings that have to happen. I want to give an update. You know, Jim Hoft has been quite ill and has been getting ready for surgery, heart surgery in St. Louis. His brother Joe was on the show on on Saturday and then was going to head up to St. Louis to be with his brother as there's some, you know, complication about what hospital they're going to do it in and other things. Joe, Joe had a stroke on Saturday and it's affected his right side. We're staying up to date on on Joe who need prayers for both Jim Hoft and Joe. Also the great Rudy Giuliani, the greatest mayor in the history of New York City, the America's mayor yesterday was admitted or was admitted to a hospital and in critical but stable condition now. And so we'll keep you up to date on Rudy. But prayers for the Hoff twins and Rudy Giuliani, giants of the MAGA movement and particularly on the media side, just absolutely from Gateway pundit and then Rudy's show on the Mike Lindell network in his podcast and all that. And of course, Rudy's magnificent efforts supporting President Trump when President Trump came on the stage in 14 and 15 to actually throw his hat into the ring to to run for office of the great Rudy Giuliani. Prayers for all three of those giants of our movement. Sean Spicer and Caroline Wren joined us this morning. Sean, let's start with you.

[Steve Bannon]

Give us an update because this looked very different on the first day.

[Steve Kornacki]

The Supreme Court Came back, it seemed

[Steve Bannon]

like the Republican establishment was leaning on their rakes.

[Steve Kornacki]

And Caroline Wren, you know, did what Caroline Wren does, which is start lighting people up.

[Steve Bannon]

I think we're in a very different place. Very different place. The most hated woman by the establishment, Caroline Wren. Where are we this morning, sir?

[Sean Spicer]

All right, let me give you a quick rundown of the states, George. I'll start. I'll work from horrible to good. Georgia, they should be redistricting. Governor Brian Kemp saying no way, not going to move forward. So that's not going to happen this cycle. South Carolina, we have Governor Henry McMaster making a push to have South Carolina redistrict. Remember that one minority district that's held by Jim Clyburn? That would be the district that state. I know the War Room Posse has been trying to put a lot of pressure on the state Senate president. Keep it up. That is where we are right now. If we can get that to change, South Carolina has some hope. The governor said yes, the state Senate president is not moving forward. We move on to Tennessee. Governor Bill Lee is saying that he is for calling a special session. We should have one on the books. There's a lot of hope. You've got that Memphis district in Tennessee. That's a voting rights district that could be redistricted in our favor. So that gives us hope. Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves says they will do it, but they've already had the primaries in Mississippi, so we're not going to see any movement there. That's another state that we should see a pickup there. Then Alabama is where the big, the big prize is right now in terms of the states that will be affected. Potentially two seats right now that would give us a 70 Republican majority in Alabama, a special session, frankly, I believe because of the pressure put on K Ivey, the governor there was called. They are starting to move. And my sources tell me that they're going to try to have this wrapped up within 48 hours. The fallback position, Steve, is a 6:1 Republican majority, which would be a net one pickup. Now, here's the thing. There's another case that Alabama is currently dealing with in front of the Supreme Court. They're going to pass the map right now, probably end up with a 6:1 map because they feel like that would pass muster with the court. Hope to have that second case resolved by August and then run under a new 6:1 map and then go to a 7:0 map next cycle. But kind of make this iterative step forward for Alabama.

[Steve Bannon]

What about. What about Louisiana?

[Sean Spicer]

I'm Sorry. Good point. Yes, Louisiana will redraw. They are mandated to redraw. That would be a plus one. So they technically have two minority districts there. But under the current map they can still keep one because obviously you can partisan majority. So Louisiana will be a plus one. The governor, Jeff Landry, under orders by the court to get this done.

[Steve Bannon]

There's no way they have the possibility of going seven. Oh, they're going to go six one. Is there a possibility they go seven zero?

[Sean Spicer]

I think there's a possibility. Again, one of the things that you've got to be careful and the map makers, the guys who do this have a lot of tools at their disposal right now is that while you can partisan gerrymander, according to the court, you can't race base. So they've got to figure out can you actually dilute those districts enough to get a 70 that won't endanger other seats and put them in play. So the million dollar question the map makers have to answer is do I go six one in like Louisiana ensure that we have six rock solid Republican districts or do you risk it and go 70 and dilute it to the point where maybe one or two become swing districts that you could potentially lose? That's where they've got to go in and really push down the data and see what's available to them.

[Steve Bannon]

Sean, hang on for one second.

[Steve Kornacki]

I know you got a bounce. At the bomb of the hour.

[Steve Bannon]

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[News Reporter]

War Room.

[Sean Spicer]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Kornacki]

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[Steve Bannon]

I want to thank Ren de Grasse and Sean Spicer for being the bomber command of Central Information for this. If we hadn't had this over the weekend or last four or five days, we'd be nowhere. Sean Spicer, I'm about to get ran up. Here's my question, sir. Is this, and you know how these guys work, is this performative, they're trying to take the heat off themselves, or are they driving to a maximalist strategy

[Steve Kornacki]

here so we can get victory?

[Sean Spicer]

To be honest, that's the million dollar question. They felt the heat. I mean, I know Caroline Wren is not getting invited to Christmas parties this year. At some of these places they have felt the heat between the war room posse and her lighting people up, you know, but, but this is the question that has to get asked, Steve. They're feeling it. There's no question. South Carolina's feeling it. K ivey's feeling it in Alabama. The question is, do they, do they go through the motions, which is kind of what I think they did with the Save America act is to say to the President, oh, see, we tried. If we take our foot off the pedal, that's what's going to end up. The reason we're here today is because so many people called. Those phone numbers made it very clear that their voices had to be heard. If we take the foot off the pedal anywhere short of the maximalist outcome, then that's going to be the travesty. So we got to keep it going, make sure that people understand that the Democrats wouldn't stop. That's the other thing. Grow up and recognize that these guys broke every law and the constitution of Virginia to try to get those four seats. We have to play the same way. Stop being such a bunch of wusses and saying, oh, Jim Clyburn, such a nice guy. I get it. Maybe he is a nice guy. I don't know him. But the bottom line is, why are we saving a seat in South Carolina that could be ours? Why are we saving a seat in Memphis that could be ours? The majority is at stake. Trump 2.0 is at stake. We saw the movie in Trump 2 point and Trump 1.0. If, if, if you don't like, if you think that you like what's happening now, it will turn into investigations and impeachment. If we allow the Democrats to take control of the House, they would do it to us. So let's do it to them. Let's make sure we keep our foot on the pedal and get every seat that we are entitled to under the law.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline Wren, your thoughts and observations on this? Because, you know, let's be blunt. This was unconstitutional, needs to be changed, and this is political warfare.

[Steve Kornacki]

Ma', am, your thoughts?

[Caroline Wren]

I got into it over this in Georgia with Eric Erickson over the weekend when the Governor Kemp announced that they were not going to be doing a special session ahead of the 2026 midterms. You know, I came out and said, this is, this is ridiculous. Why are they, of course, taking a pass on this? They always do. And Eric Erickson said, you know, hey, I'm an election, a Georgia election attorney, and we can't do what Louisiana and Mississippi are doing because we have an active election going on. And I replied and said, you know, what are you talking about? First of all, Louisiana is currently voting, and Mississippi, their primary has already passed. That didn't stop their governors from taking action. And not to mention what you're saying, that we can't redistrict because voting has started. You can't suspend an active election. Let me remind you that Governor Kemp suspended an active election, the primary in March of 2020, due to Covid. So why is it the Georgia Republican establishment is the absolute worst when it comes to masking your kids or keeping them out of school. I mean, there is nothing Brian Kemp and Brad Raffisperger won't do to make sure that happens. But when it comes to protecting the most important thing we have, which is our sacred vote, there's nothing that these guys will do. That is the problem with the Georgia Republican establishment and with Governor Kemp and the way he is looking at this. And so it is very frustrating. And, you know, I think that Sean did a great job of walking through the map. I just had a couple things, you know, in Louisiana, I do think that they need to go for a 6.0 map. As Hakeem Jeffries said, this is maximum warfare, and we need to recognize that. And so Louisiana doesn't have to go into special session. They're already in an active session right now. And so I really hope they go for the 6.0map instead of a 5. 1. Look at the just heinous map they drew in Virginia. Look at what they did in California. You legally can go for 6. 0. You need to go for 6. 0. In Alabama, it is a little bit trickier. What they're going to do is they're just going to revert back to its remedial 2024 map for this cycle. We pick up one seat. We'll get another one the next cycle. You know, I hope and wish that they would go for that, you know, a 7O map. But it is trickier there procedurally then in Mississippi, the special session starts May 20. We do not know if they're actually going to redraw the congressional maps for that, or it may just have to do with their Supreme Court. But through the Governor Tate, Governor Tate Reeves credit, he's leaving all options on the table. What is, what is tricky there is that their primary has already passed in Tennessee. The special session actually starts tomorrow. And Marsha Blackburn did a tremendous job pressuring Bill Lee and others on that. So we've got to give Marsha Blackburn some credit there. That special session, you know, they're going to redraw from an 8:1 to a 9.

[News Reporter]

0.

[Caroline Wren]

We'll pick up a seat there. South Carolina, you know, the Senate president is just one of the biggest rhinos there and is trying to block this. I think we're going to hear something in the next 24 hours. Governor McMaster, I know, is trying to find any possible way. There was a lot of procedural hurdles, but the lieutenant governor there, Pamela Evatt, has been tremendous. She's really been taking the charge on this and pushing for it. So I'm hopeful in South Carolina.

[Sean Spicer]

Hey, Steve, the key, the key phrase that Caroline used is won't versus can't, right? There's things that they won't do that they can do, and that's the change in vernacular that we have to support. I mean, she's right about Georgia and you can do it, you just won't do it. And that's where I think a lot of these guys, we've got to start listening to what they're telling us because in many cases they're saying we can't do it. And that's just not legally true. It's just that they won't do it. And that's how they want to get out of this. We've never done that before. That's not how it's usually done. It's the excuses over and over again about why something, as opposed to why don't you actually fight? Why don't you do what they do? They didn't care about Virginia's constitution. They didn't care about the law in Virginia. They said, we're getting all four and they did it. And we sit back and have these coffee table discussions about whether or not the precedent suggests whatever, go for it, fight, try to make it happen. But understand that we have a legitimately a one seat majority right now that is keeping the Trump 2.0 agenda alive. And that's all. They get it. They're willing to do anything to stop this.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline, thoughts?

[Caroline Wren]

I totally agree with him. And that's why I'm like, then go and lose in court, but at least go to court, challenge this and try. And so the problem with Republican election attorneys, this has been the problem this whole time, is that they always wanna find a way to a no, never to a yes. And they're unwilling to challenge things. Whereas people like Mark Elias, I mean, they're just savage. He'll go lose nine out of 10 court cases, but government won. One challenge that works can stall something just long enough to hold another seat. Marco Elias is willing to play hardball and our election attorneys just aren't. And I've gone into this for years with you, it's because Republican election attorneys are too often tied to these large firms like Jones Day and such, where they represent corporate clients. And this is seen as, it's not work that makes them money. It's not some AI company hiring them. And so we have a crisis in the Republican Party of lawyers who are willing to take this stuff on. And that's why the lead on this we have to give credit is people like Harmeet Dillon at the DOJ who did this through the Civil Rights division. And then you have people like Jeff Landry, who, you know, Jeff Landry was the ag, a brilliant attorney general, one of the only ones in this country who actually fights for us, along with Ken Paxton. And when he became governor, he knew how to kind of shepherd this lawsuit through. And it is amazing what we can do when we actually fight in our legal system. And. But too often, we do not. And so Georgia is another perfect example of that. We saw it in 2020, and here we are. It's like Groundhog Day. We're seeing it again.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline. Hang on a second, Sean. I know you got to bounce. I want to talk about the book. I'm very proud of the War Room Posse once again, because Regnery is an

[Steve Kornacki]

imprint like War Room is.

[Steve Bannon]

Over at Skyhorse, the Warren posse stepped up to the plate, but it was also your special offer of the signed edition. Walk us through what our current understanding of the New York Times bestseller list is.

[Sean Spicer]

Yeah. First of all, you guys gave me a ton of work this weekend. Thank you. Because I made an offer that I said, if you go to Amazon and order Trump 2.0 and send me a screenshot of your purchase to contact Sean spicer.com, i will send you a personalized book plate to insert into the book. And you guys have made it a bestseller this week. And every single person said, I just heard you on War Room. Here's what I'd like as a gift to my husband, my wife for Mother's Day for our kids or whatever. And I was like, okay. I just. My weekend is now spent filling out these book plates, and I'm willing to extend it for these guys. But look, as you know, the way the New York Times judges stuff, I mean, I'll speak in horse racing terms, since we just had the Derby, you can sell the most number of books, but then they look at somebody else who sold less books and say, well, your book was about democracy and woke, you know, DEI culture, so we'll rank it ahead. So we need to speak loud with the number of books and say we sold more. So I think we'll make the best sellers list because of the War Room Posse this weekend. But now we've got to impress the New York Times and say, you can't ignore this book. You cannot ignore Trump 2.0. President Trump wrote the foreword to the book, and I promised him we'd make

[Steve Bannon]

it a bestseller this is also I want to talk about what is in people in this second term, particularly some of the things I've been on policy. It's not perfect. And some of the grassroots and some of the MAGA movement are saying, hey, look, they're upset about certain things, but the driving, the nature and direction of it versus Mayday and what you see as the alternative, because the alternative is not somebody like Cooper in North Carolina. They're propping up as a centrist and a nice guy. And he's just got different. You know, he's not as mean as President Trump. He's got these nice policies. What it is is the Marx that you saw on the streets on Friday trying to shut down the nation, trying to have a general strike. Is that. Not that that's the framework right there's.

[Sean Spicer]

It is black and white. They've already made it very clear they will impeach him on day one, they will investigate him on day one, and they will investigate every single person that's been affiliated with President Trump. Whether you're in the White House, you're an online person that's been supporting President Trump, you're just a vocal supporter. This is it. This battle for Trump 2.0 starts this November. With this election. We either keep a majority or we're going to have to face up to what happened in Trump 1.2 with the investigations and the impeachment. But you look at defense, higher education, DEI, trade, NATO, Trump has done so much in Trump 2.0 because of the difference of those four years out of office. They figured out who to bring in, who to keep out. And it's all at stake. So if you want to see everything that's at stake and why, go order Trump 2.0. But make no mistake about it, it's on the ballot. And everything that we do in November is the difference between advancing that agenda forward and being on defense.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Sean Spicer]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Kornacki]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

Caroline Wren Bomber Command what are. What are marching orders today? Particularly things. I think people are very upset, incredibly upset about Georgia and just some of this, you know and people like Eric

[Steve Kornacki]

Erickson always protecting the establishment. Always.

[Steve Bannon]

We can't do it. The Ericsson of the world are the

[Steve Kornacki]

reason the country's in the shape it's in. These are the guys that and Brian Kemp and that entire crowd down Georgia.

[Steve Bannon]

This is controlled opposition. They don't want to fight.

[Steve Kornacki]

They always get excuse of what they got to do.

[Steve Bannon]

This is how the 2020 election was stolen down there in Georgia.

[Steve Kornacki]

We've gone and you see the arrogance of the Democrats are going to come and indict people and put them in prison.

[Steve Bannon]

The patriots in Georgia. The fight in Georgia to get to the bottom of the 2020 election is heroic. Those people were indicted. They try to force them into bankruptcy. If it wasn't for a handful of patriots down there, we'd be nowhere. But this is what this audience over the weekend with the guidance of Degrasse and Wren and Spicer, you're moving it dramatically. But we have to make sure that this is not performative because the parlor trick of the establishment is what they did on Save America is pretend they're doing something so they can get the heat off them from President Trump. Right. And, and actually end of the day, just be controlled opposition. Caroline Wren.

[Caroline Wren]

Costing us two seats is a tradition of the Georgia establishment. If you remember, in 2020, they cost us two Senate seats. There is no reason why Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue shouldn't be senators right now. But that was because of Brad Raffensper. It's the same actors and Governor Kemp and others that I could go on and on for that. But they cost us two Senate seats in 2020. Fast forward to today by taking a pass on redistricting. Now they are costing us to lay up House seats. And you know, this is, we already have only a one seat majority right now and all this redistricting is happening. You know, midterms are traditionally not good for the party in charge. And so God forbid if in November we wake up with a one or two seat minority, it's going to be Georgia's fault. And so I'm very frustrated. I'm not sure what to tell the posse to do about it because Kemp and others do not seem to care whatsoever about their base thinks about them. But I will direct you to what President Trump said this morning. He said, quote, on Truth Social, we cannot allow there to be an election that is conducted unconstitutionally simply for the convenience of state legislatures. If they have to vote twice, so be it. We should demand that state legislators do what the Supreme Court says must be done that is more important than administrative convenience. The byproduct is that the Republicans will receive more than 20 House seats in the upcoming midterms. President Donald J. Trump, that he is absolutely right and right there I think he's talking not only to Georgia, but to South Carolina. In South Carolina we have the will to do this by the governor, by the Lieutenant Governor, by the speaker of the House. And it is the Senate President Shane Massie that is single handedly holding this up. Right now he is claiming he ran to a couple of the most liberal papers in the state to say we shouldn't do this because it'll actually make some of our districts more competitive for Democrats because the Democrats in that one district will spread out, which to me is an absurd argument to make. He is wrong. And also if someone's race gets a little bit tighter, well then they need to just fight harder and go and win it. So you're doing it for pure political reasons by making that argument. Shane and the rest of your state wants this done. The president, states wants this done. South Carolina needs to redistrict. And so on my social media feed, you can see we've got his number up there, his office number, his email. And so that is a good, productive thing for the posse members to be doing today is calling the Senate president in South Carolina and telling him that we want them to redistrict, but also

[Steve Bannon]

from the White House. I mean, Alabama and Tennessee, Bill Lee and Governor Ivey. It shows you when the President gets focused today, White House has got to be focused. You're going to have it's time that the White House, the grassroots is doing it. It's time the White House confronts a problem we've had from the beginning, and that is Kemp. That is Kemp and this Georgia Republican establishment. The White House has to bring the heat. The posse and the grassroots will bring the heat. But we need, we need air cover on this. And this is where the White House has got to get in Kemp's face. Kemp has been so arrogant, that entire Georgia establishment, they draft off the president and they feast off of the MAGA movement that keeps him in office. But anytime it comes to a central critical decision, they always fold. And it's one of the reasons that Georgia is not the powerhouse in the MAGA movement that it should be. Ma'. Am.

[Caroline Wren]

No. Well, Kemp is praying that we get killed in the midterms and that Trumpism will be dead in 2028 cuz he wants to run for president. And so him and the Karl Rove wing of this party are banking on Donald Trump leaving office with a horrific approval number and so that the Republican Party can finally move on from Trump. And that's never going to happen. They bet on that in 2020 and now they're betting on that again. And so I think that where a lot of this is coming from with Kemp, it also has to do with the fact that Donald Trump refused to endorse the Kemp sanctioned candidates for Georgia governor and Senate this cycle. And so, you know, that is the game that Kemp is playing and it's at the expense of not only Republicans in Georgia, but Republicans across the country. Because you do not see Governor Newsom playing that game or, you know, Governor Spanberger. Those are two people who also want to play, you know, be President of the United States. And instead they recognized the moment of their base and then did what was best for their base and for the Democratic Party. And that's actually going to propel them in a 2028 primary. So what Kemp is doing is so backwards if he actually wants to run for president. If I were Kemp, I would be fighting tooth and nail on this because then that actually is a launchpad for you to run for president. But these guys do not understand that. They do not understand how to fight. They don't understand the MAGA base. And that's why they are consistent going to be, you know, 20 to 30% of this movement.

[Steve Bannon]

And this is why, you know, they want MAGA to go away. They think when Trump leaves or when

[Steve Kornacki]

Trump is impeached this time, that MAGA

[Steve Bannon]

will go away and they can continue to win. You don't have to look for anything more than Kemp's involvement in this Senate race. Ossoff is going to waltz into a victory here. Ossoff, who should be the number one most vulnerable. He right now looks like he could

[Steve Kornacki]

win by three points or more. I mean, that's all on Kemp. 100%.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline, before I let. But I hate to personalize this, but in South Carolina and Tennessee, Clyburn in South Carolina and Stephen and Steve Cohen in Memphis in Tennessee, if you can get those guys out, that is a win, not just picking up a seat or a district. These are two of the leaders of the most radical part of the Democratic Party, are they not, ma'?

[Caroline Wren]

Am, they are. But if you want to personalize it for me, it is Mississippi and Benny Thompson, Betty Thompson was the chair of the January 6th committee. Personally, for me, he ruined a year and a half of my life. And so if there is one seat that I cannot wait to see carved up and thrown out, it is Benny Thompson. And I am hoping to be there on the election night when he absolutely gets crushed or when the governor signs a bill that eliminates that district.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, I didn't want to over personalize it since Benny sent me to prison. But that's. That's a different. That's a topic for another day. What is your Twitter feed? I want everybody going to Bomber Command today. You're going to lead us. So where do people go?

[Caroline Wren]

Ma', am, it's at Caroline Wren on X Truth Social and Getter.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, ma', am, everybody be focused on

[Steve Kornacki]

that and look forward to seeing you.

[Steve Bannon]

Talk to you more about updates.

[Steve Kornacki]

Thank you.

[Caroline Wren]

Thanks.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline Wren. Let's go.

[Steve Kornacki]

I want to talk about artificial intelligence.

[Steve Bannon]

Missouri and Texas, we've got Joe Nicola, Joe You're a state senator up in Missouri. Talk to me about this bill that you've been trying to get through and the pressure and the pushback you've been getting.

[Senator Joe Nicola]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And thanks so much for having me on, Steve. Appreciate it. So, as everybody knows, AI is just advancing so rapidly and we have no guardrails whatsoever in the state nor in the nation on artificial intelligence. And so I just wanted to put some basic guardrails on it. One that AI could not be gain legal personhood and so it could not have legal rights, own property, be a CEO of a company. I wanted to start protecting some jobs, especially jobs that are certified and licensed professionals.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, Joe, Joe, Joe. Because you're hitting on a topic that they don't want to talk about in, in D.C. talk to me when you first start with personal, which I think is a huge topic, people think, oh, this is science fiction nonsense. These guys, you know, Joe should have his tinfoil hat on. Talk about the. How serious this thing about personhood is.

[Senator Joe Nicola]

Well, you know, we've already seen reports around this nation, around the world where people are actually marrying their AI. There is a. In the country of Albania, they actually instituted a whole governmental department on AI and created an AI, gave it a name, and it's running that, that governmental department. And we're seeing job losses, you know, in Utah, I believe it is, they now are using AI to prescribe medication. And we cannot allow artificial intelligence to replace humans. And I want to keep human oversight over it. And they. We don't want to see machines or AI. We see these humanoids are being created now and going to be beginning replacing teachers and all kinds of just really, it is like sci fi. We're actually living in a science fiction movie. But it's real life and we just need to put some common sense guardrails around it. So AI cannot gain legal personhood and have rights.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's the thing too, is that the grassroots and the soul of the MAGA movement, I think it's 8515, are adamantly opposed to no guardrails at all on artificial intelligence. Particularly things about, you know, getting the kids, having these chatgpts, being able to talk to kids about suicide, about all types of perversions, et cetera. Yet you've got the AI industry. That is AI industry is targeting guys like you and saying, hey, you're the problem.

[Senator Joe Nicola]

Yeah. And I don't even know, to be quite honest with you, all of the pressure that I've been getting, but there's sure a Lot of pressure to not pass any artificial intelligence legislation. And thankfully I was able to get it on the Senate floor for a perfection vote on just this last Thursday. Now I'm waiting to go through another committee and then come back to the Senate for a final vote. But I don't want to limit any innovation. I want to make sure there's plenty of room for growth. But we do need to protect people's freedoms and liberties. And these kids that especially kids that are depressed, that are now going to AI chatbots to have discussions about their depression. And we've already had documented cases where these kids are being told to go ahead and commit suicide. And Steve, you've probably heard this too. There's been a couple cases where the chat bot is actually telling them to go commit acts of terror, terrorism before they commit suicide. So we've got a major, major problem on our hands. So we just need to put some limits on this and some guardrails to protect people, protect lives, protect kids. You know, these deep fakes that are happening where they're taking specifically women taking their heads from social media, putting them on a nude body. This actually happened in the area of Kansas City where I'm from and selling it as pornography. And it's just, it's really out of control right now. And quite frankly, my bill doesn't do enough. But it just begins this, the whole process of putting some regulation on it.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe, where do people go, your social

[Steve Kornacki]

media and your website people are going to, we want to follow this closely over the next couple weeks. So where do people go to find out more?

[Senator Joe Nicola]

They can follow me on Facebook or X, I mean on either one. But specifically you can go to my personal website and It's Senator Joe nicola.com and we put all kinds of things up there, some video and information about the bills and legislation. Yeah, that's it.

[Historian/Political Commentator]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Joey, we look forward to getting you

[Steve Kornacki]

back this week as you fight through this. So thank you so much. Appreciate you.

[Senator Joe Nicola]

Thank you, Steve. I appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you.

[Steve Kornacki]

The pressure on these folks is enormous. We're going to go to Texas. We're going to take a short break, go to Texas.

[Steve Bannon]

Talk about data centers. Remember the Fort Meade. Hundreds of people showed up at Fort Meade, 100% of them the citizens opposed to the, with the 4 million square foot data center.

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Ma'.

[Steve Bannon]

Am.

[Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell]

It's great to be back. So as we know, AI is booming across the country. And with this comes the need for more data centers. And so they're popping up all over the country. But Texas is particularly fertile ground for these centers due to the wide open spaces, various other reasons. And so they are really increasing in volume in Texas at a huge rate. And while these Texas state legislators, many of them, these Republicans, they're supportive of the president, supportive of his agenda, they are concerned about the AI aspect of it in some cases because their constituents do not want particularly rural constitution, do not want their communities to become dominated by these data centers because that can lead to increased water prices, electricity prices and worst of all, water outages. Texas already has grid issues. They already struggle with having shortages of electricity. And so this is really concerning, particularly people in rural areas about their way of life being lost.

[Steve Bannon]

This is, you know, the situation Texas, too is about the aquifers that these data centers suck up an enormous amount of water and they're saying, no, we have new construction. That's closed loop. There's nothing farther from the truth. You're taking just an open ended bet with these. And here's the thing, the constituents, because the lack of ability to get a framework on federal regulation, which you're going to have to have something like the

[Steve Kornacki]

Atomic Energy Commission just going to have

[Steve Bannon]

to and I'm not for adding regulation, I'm all for deconstructing the administrative state. And we fought for that for years. However, there are certain things I don't know, like nuclear weapons and nuclear technology, artificial intelligence, I think could be much more lethal. The AI, the oligarch's ability to basically try to crush at the federal level and then to slow walk it has put it back on the states. And this is why Ron DeSantis and people in Texas, it's a 9010 issue or an 8515 issue with the grassroots and particularly rural. Elizabeth it's not even close. The vast overwhelming portion of people are saying this has got to be slowed down. We need to know much more about it. And these data centers are ruining our communities. Ma'.

Am.

[Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell]

Yeah, I mean I talked to several Texas state reps about this and something that I talked to Senator Angela Paxton, something she pointed out is, is that because Texas has a Citizen, legislator, legislature, the representatives themselves are experiencing these issues and so they understand where the grassroots is coming from and they're very concerned about this. But I also talked to State Rep. Helen Kerwin, who's actually the mother of our Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rawlins, and she represents a very rural district where data centers are popping up. And she told me how she became engaged in this issue, which is when. And she was talking to a 20 year old third generation farmer who came to her saying that he was worried he was going to lose his family farm because data centers wanted to AI companies wanted to purchase that land and he wanted to hold onto his land. But he realized that if a data center bought the land next door to his land, he might not have electricity or power, it might be too expensive to continue his farm. And so this is something that the everyday Texan president, particularly in those rural areas, are very concerned about.

[Steve Bannon]

Now, is this a legislative fight? Now walk me through where this is about because it's kind of been local with county commissioners and you know, we've been backing these fights, particularly in Florida, of folks. Is this now going to get up to the state level for legislation or is this still down at the county commissioner level?

[Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell]

Yeah. So the Texas legislature meets every other year and, and it's expected that this year the data center issue is going to be a very large part of the agenda because this is becoming so prevalent. There's not very much regulation on it at this time. And these data centers are benefiting from these tax breaks for businesses. And so this is something that a lot of Texas legislators are very interested in putting regulation on. Now of course, the national. So we've been talking about this national standard on AI that the White House, House is looking for Congress to pass on the federal level and they're going to have some sort of regulation on data centers as well. They've been talking about the ratepayer protection plan to make sure that data centers bring their own power so that local people don't have higher prices. But the legislatures I've been talking to, they don't want to just purely rely on the federal, the federal Congress, they appreciate that effort, but they want to make sure that they're able to pass regulation, particularly in their state, to meet the needs of their constituents. In addition to this national standard, do

[Steve Bannon]

you get a sense that they're talking about a special session maybe for this

[Steve Kornacki]

issue of Sharia law?

[Steve Bannon]

Do you get a sense that they could have a special session in AI, particularly the data centers may be part of it right now?

[Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell]

Yeah, I think this is something that's top of mind for all of these members. Helen Kerwin is particularly looking for a pause on data center construction while we do research on the effects, how this affects the aquaphor prices, that kind of thing. And so I think that the consensus I was getting from these legislators is they understand that we have to win the AI race with China. We can't completely have no more data centers, even though this is not something a lot of people want in their communities. If we have no more data centers, it would be difficult to keep up with China on AI, but still, they don't want this to happen at all. The cost of Americans, at the cost of everyday Texans who are going to struggle because of these data centers. And so they're really looking to order more research on this and if the research is conclusive, to need more regulation, that's something that they're going to definitely be looking for in the next session.

[Steve Bannon]

Elizabeth Trotman Mitchell, where do people get you at the Daily Signal and your social media?

[Elizabeth Troutman Mitchell]

Ma', am, you can read my work@daily signal.com and follow me on X at

[Caroline Wren]

the Elizabeth Mitchell, Want to push this one out today?

[Steve Kornacki]

Everybody? Read it.

[Steve Bannon]

The great state of Texas under assault on this Islamic invasion around Sharia law, H1B visas, data centers. Texas is the jewel in the crown and they're coming hard for Texas. This is why Texans are fighting back and winning. Got to make sure that we close on some of these wins. Take a short commercial break. We're gonna be back in the world. We're gonna go to the Persian Gulf next.

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