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Episode 5361: Nigel Bringing MAGA To The Forefront In The UK; Shilling For AI
Episode 5361: Nigel Bringing MAGA To The Forefront In The UK; Shilling For AI ...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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Ben Harnwell
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Joe Allen
War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k.
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Steve Bannon
Ban Saturday the 9th of May in the year overlord 2026. Okay, let me. Let's go back, do a little history here so you understand the context. When I was running Breitbart, very early on, it became quite evident that to build the populist nationalist movement in this country, that we needed to go to do two things. Make sure that people understood certain parts of the country what was happening and what was happening about their sovereignty. That's why with Brandon Darby and the great team there at Breitbart, we'd launched Breitbart Texas, particularly about the Rio Grande Valley, went down. Spent a lot of time in the Rio Grande Valley. Gosh, that's gotta be 2012, 1314. To really understand what was going on and how the establishment, the business logo establishment in Texas was involved in that. The other part was to launch international sites or international headquarters or bureaus for Breitbart. And I was going to do Jerusalem, Rome and London. London was most important. We did that first. And Rahim Gassam, that's where I met James Delingpole, who was a columnist at the Daily Telegraph. The Daily Telegraph had gone what the British called wet. It was not really a conservative site. It was the classic traditional rhinos here. That's what was happening to the Tory Party. And this guy was a right winger, Delingpole and Rahim, a young guy, a blogger named Rahim Kassam, who I went over and met, was introduced to, turned out just a brilliant guy and we launched it. And particularly to follow this guy, Nigel Farage, who was at that time in the European Parliament and up on these YouTube videos that were just magnificent as he just bringing the old what for? To the European Parliament. Now he came back and I used to traipse around with him, essentially what building kind of a Tea Party movement. It was called ukip, the UK Independence Party. But he had a theory. The case to get the sovereignty back, to actually extre extract themselves from the European Union. That was considered the biggest joke in it would never happen. The odds were so, so long in Nigel Farage through force of personality and force of will. And I saw it day to day. We did it. He did it in June, in June of 2016, because a guy running be Prime Minister had committed to. They trapped him in a debate. I guess it was to commit to a plebiscite, to a referendum. And Nigel Farage won the referendum. And Boris Johnson was kind of the official party doing it. He was the unofficial. Boris Johnson ran on all the rules in Brussels and everything like that. Nigel ran good old fashioned migration. And Brexit came about and Brexit was the foreshadowing of Trump's victory in that November. And I said at the time, what happens there? You can tell these things kind of move a little bit together. And that's what's so important about what's happening now. And this is. Nigel created an entirely new party. The Tories have been around for 250 years. You read the American Revolution, it's the Tory party that's by and large making a lot of decisions and fighting in Commons. They've been around for 250 years. The labour Party's been around, I think since World War I. He's smoking both of them, crushing them. And it's very important. And Matthew Goodwin said it. The British people, you see in the election where they gave the Tories the overwhelming majority and they frittered it away. This should be a lesson to the MAGA movement and to the Republican Party. People are prepared to say, hey, look, I don't want to be a second class citizen in my own country. I want to empower a group of people to represent me as a UK citizen, as a citizen of Great Britain or as a citizen of these United States of America. But I want you to go in there and I want you to fight for me as a citizen. American citizen. America first. Yes, 100. But American citizens become first. American citizens right now are supplicants. You are not just a second. I think you're kind of a third class. You're in steerage. You're in steerage in your own country. You're in steerage in your own country and you don't have to be, you got to be in, you got to be in platinum seating, premier seating. You're up there, you should be up in the, in the in the. In the sky boxes. Right. It's unsat and you're seeing that. And that's what was so important about yesterday. Let's go with. Peter McElveen has done such a great job in helping us in Texas because he's seen how London has fallen. Peter, what do we take? Matthew Goodwin, I think, nailed it. Your thoughts on what we saw yesterday or the. I guess it was on Thursday?
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Peter McElveen
Well, yeah. Matthew Goodman. Brilliant. And look, this is Nigel Farage's day. He's been at this for 30 years with UKIP and then the Brexit Party and now Reform UK. And within three to four years of this new party, they now have 2,000 council seats. And to put that understanding, that's local council seats. Two years ago they had zero. In the last election they got around 900. And in this election they've got. At the moment it's 1440. They may not get the 1,500. They're only about 60 seats to count. But they've made. I mean, the front page of every paper today was a picture of Nigel in normal pose, celebrating in the spotlight, and rightly so. And they have taken not only 1,000, nearly 1,500 councillors to put that in understanding. Labor ended up with 1000, the conservatives ended up with 800, and poor Kemi Bednock, the leader of the Conservative Party, she called out a Good night to. The Conservatives are back, despite the fact they lost 600 councillors. But it's absolutely fantastic for reform. And they have taken control of 14 councils. We have about 290 councils in the UK and not all were up for grabs. We've got a ruling system. Sometimes the council has a quarter of the seats every year, sometimes they're all up for grabs every four years. So there were. There were only a small number, 5,000 councillors up for election, out of around 17,000. So around a third of them were up for election. And that one third is an interesting number because as. As Nigel said there in the. In that cold open, they were winning, they have won a third of the seats they stood in. In fact, they stood, although they had slightly fewer numbers of candidates than the Labour Party, they stood in 99.9% of wards of those local areas where you have two or three consulars, so literally across the country, divided up into wards, maybe 7,000 wards, there are probably only six of them that actually, if you went as a member of the voting public and you went to vote, you wouldn't have had a Reform candidate. I, in the middle of London, had three Reform candidates, they didn't get in where I am, but they got in in Hring, which is in East London. And that was also a triumph because that's the first council in London they have managed to win. And that was a big leave, a big Brexit, a big anti EU area, but they have won up in the northeast of England, in the Midlands, in the southeast of England, and they've done well in Wales. They're now the opposition in Wales. Who would have thought that they would have been the main opposition to Ply Cymru, the Nationalist party in wa.
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Steve Bannon
Fantastic result for Nigel and just the folks. He created this from nothing. It was. He left ukip and remember, for years he was kind of a couple of years in media and then I would spend a lot of time with him, but you got to get back in it. And he says, I can't go back to ukip, I'm going to do it myself. And I thought, wow, why are we doing this? And he built it himself. It's just amazing. Ben Harnwell, you're the head of our international in Rome, but you're an Englishman. Your thoughts are.
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Ben Harnwell
I'd like to underline for our largely American audience, really, the connection here. Now, we say constantly on the show how Brexit teed up everything that happened with the Trump revolution from the election campaign of 2015 and the eventual victory in 2016 onwards. I want to underline what I think is the straight line between these two things. And that's basically not only the fact that the Britons exercised their sense of agency, but they really woke up to themselves and felt confident in employing that sense of agency. It's absolutely fundamental. And you see the same thing happening now with this mini revolution that we saw at the local government level this Thursday. And it's something that transcends our two party system of politics. It's that people on the left to traditionally voting labor, people on the right traditionally voting Conservative, both have peeled away and said, we are not going to accept what the regime gives us. We are going to go outside of the parameters of seeking permission, if you will, from approval, social approval, from our elders and betters. We are going to determine for ourselves our own destiny. That's the point here. It's really a rediscovery of and an insistence on using the British people's sense of agency. That's why it's so important. And it shows that the revolution that took place in the uk, the absolutely sort of cataclysmic revolution with Brexit, which As you correctly said, would have been sort of considered to be unthinkable just 10 years before it took place. Why that sense? Why, why, why that continuing revolution is taking place? Because it's all a straight line which what happened at Brexit, what happened on Thursday. And you know, Nigel Farage is very much the key protagonist in that and he deserves to be sort of given full credit for that.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, so hang on for both of you. I want to go back to McIlvanney. So, Peter, you've been a central. You kind of one of the, if not the unsung hero in this whole rejuvenation of the grassroots movement here in the United States because you went to Texas in November, came back and it would and spent some time with me and said, hey, you don't realize that the United States. I asked you, I said when you went over there, where are we in relation to how it first started in London, because London has fallen now. And you said, you're much farther gone. And that led to the sharia referendum, the 2 million votes you were there for, the opening kickoff for it, et cetera. The question, and Harnwell just nailed it right there of the through line with the United States. Our revolution has not even. We're top of the third inning now, okay? And it's now about American citizenship and American citizens and people are tired of being supplicants. And you can see both left and right in England are coming to an alternative. One of the glaring issues with reform is this issue with Tommy Robinson. And Tommy, you know, has been in Texas and doing great things on Sharia law is one at the forefront of that is drawing good crowds. And we've been covering live streaming. Tommy's. They're about to have this people realize in reform they really don't touch what Tommy's talking about. They do talk about immigration, they talk about deportations, but they won't kind of go there where it's a much harder and sharper edge to it. Talk to me a minute about that. And particularly another big rally for Tommy or March this week. There was a million people last year. This is supposed to be even bigger. Talk to me about reform and Tommy Robinson.
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Peter McElveen
This is kind of the one fly in the ointment. And there are two individuals, high profile individuals. I see this as a class issue of Tommy being a working class guy who's got nothing but made it himself. Nigel Moore, looking down. That's how I see it. And Nigel certainly wouldn't work with Tommy. Tommy probably would work with Nigel but reform are brilliant on the immigration issue, on spending, on getting control of our own affairs, but yet on Islam, which is a huge issue here in Londonistan. London is 15% Islamic. School children are 30% Muslim in London. And that is across Europe. In terms of if you look at Brussels is what, 42% of the children in schools are Muslim, the same number as Vienna. It's 40% in Vienna. We're seeing a huge change across Europe of Islam. And that's just not immigration. That's also high birth rates in those countries and acquiescing to whether it's Sharia law, whether talal food industry, whether it's Sharia finance, all of those, we are giving away our traditionally held levers of the powers of our society. Nigel doesn't get that. And I would say probably he, maybe he's wiser. He's seen what's happened to other people. He's pragmatic. He doesn't think this is maybe the main election issue. So he goes on others. But he doesn't want to go up against Islam. Where Tommy kind of has that fighter spirit on the street, Nigel has a very different fighting spirit and he won't engage on this. And even worse, he's throwing people out of the party because they've been wanting to engage on this and wanting to engage with Tommy. So that is the little fly in the ointment on all of this.
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Steve Bannon
It's more than a fly in the ornament. We're addressing you, being polite. Peter McElveen, Ben Harnwell. I got Joe Allen up in the bullpen limbering up. We're gonna get to artificial intelligence, all of it. Next in the war room, everyone's focus on how the conflict in the Middle east is raising oil prices. But there's another grim reality to this contention. Oil isn't the only resource being constrained. About one third of global fertilizer trade happens through this region. And with spring planting season on top of us, American farmers are sounding the alarm with some saying they can't afford to plant their fields. When one piece of the supply chain gets hit this hard, you know what comes next? Higher fruit prices, reduced availability, maybe even panic buying. That's why having an emergency food supply at home makes so much sense. And that's where our friends at my Patriot supply come in. Right now@preparedwithbannon.com that is preparewithbannon.com we've set up an entire just site for the war room posse. You go to preparewithbannon.com that's all one word, preparewithband.com you get a three month emergency food supply. Don't include a free mega protein Upgrade, an incredible $200 bonus you don't want to miss. It's a simple way to protect your family from whatever comes next. Go to preparewithbannon.com that is preparewithbannon.com to get your emergency food supply today. That's preparewithbannon.com do it today. Go check it out.
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Joe Allen
War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
Tommy Robinson's been on a roll. Ben Harnwell in Texas assisting there for this issue we're doing about the Islamic invasion of the jewel of the crown of the American union, the great state of Texas. Why is Nigel Farage not fully embracing Tommy Robinson and kind of his, his little harder edged take on things, particularly Islam? Is it a class thing? Is, is it, is, is it a classic, the class still class things still hold in England, sir?
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Ben Harnwell
A bit. But I don't think that's the reason. If you look at how Nigel Farage, his image, his popular image in the country, it's like a pint of beer in one hand, a fag in the other and that's how people popularly imagine him. That's like a typically working class type guy. That's part of his popular appeal. I don't think it's a class thing. I think it's because Nigel Farage wants to be prime minister and has a very realistic possibility getting there. But the facts are these, Steve. I mean, I've seen the various Islamic lobbying groups themselves saying that they control around 200 seats, as in dispersed over the country. They can control the direction of around 200 seats at the general election. Given that our parliament has about what, 650 seats, that's a pretty hefty share. And I'm obviously not going to make the argument that Muslims will vote as a bloc. However, if Nigel Farage started channeling, channeling Tommy Robinson too aggressively, they certainly will start acting as a block and that will destroy his chance of becoming Prime Minister. If you look at his, see, basically look, we don't have in the UK different to the rest of continental Europe, but very similar to the United States. We have a first past the post system in the uk. We don't have proportional representation. If we had proportional representation in the uk, then Nigel Farage can do exactly what you're saying and get a very large sort of lump of the electorate and that will be guaranteed for his. And then he would start coalition building with other groups of similar direction to get the numbers up to an absolute majority. We don't have that. We have first past the post. It's sort of majority of one. And that's where that while we have these huge swings not only in the States but also in the UK arguably more in the UK we have a greater tradition of seats changing side to direction. So Nigel Farage realizes realize that you can't get to the point of invasion that we are in the UK since the 50s onwards and then say let's run Tommy Robinson as a candidate in a first past the post system and let's see how far he gets to be coming towards not going to happen.
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Peter McElveen
You.
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Steve Bannon
You do agree it's an invasion in the United Kingdom. There's no doubt in your mind about that.
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Ben Harnwell
It's the consequences that we've had an invasion, an illegal third world invasion since the late 50s onwards. Overseen if I may by the the toy party that was then in power and continued all the way through that. If the consequences that we have had an invasion in the UK that means that Nigel Farage, if he wants to get to number 10, has to be very calculating about what his. His principal points are in order to get there and he can't run. Once you get to the stage that you are in, this main lesson to America, right. Once you get to the stage of invasion and ethnic substitution, call it what you will, once you get to that stage, there's no coming back from that. So as I've said repeatedly on the show since I've been here for five years, our message in continental Europe is to show the Americans what happens and say do not follow this path the way down because you will end up in the same situation. And that's where we are in the
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Steve Bannon
UK okay hang on, Peter. The big march Tommy's going to have and there's a million last year was unbelievable. We covered it wall to wall. The this one's supposed to be bigger. My understanding from you is that they. The UK government is canceling the visas of the American speakers.
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Peter McElveen
Sir. Yes. The Home Secretary who's a Muslim, Shabana Mahmood has taken issue to Tommy having speakers. Who would have thought? So she is has canceled four visa waivers that individuals have had. Now there are two Americans, Joni Maneria, who is a high profile. He's over three quarters of million on on X. Valenta Gomez, who I think ran for a seat in Florida. Florida also has around the same number. The. The big one for me is Eva. Let me look at her name. Vlad Vlaardingerbrook. I never can pronounce her name. He's. She's a Dutch commentator.
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Steve Bannon
Very. We've had. We've had her on the show a number of times.
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Peter McElveen
He was brilliant.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah.
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Peter McElveen
But I also understand Lutz Backman has been canceled and he is probably Germany's equivalent of Tommy. So it does seem as though the home office and they've all received a letter or an email to say that their presence would not be conjun to the public good. But they can apply for a lot of money with a lot of forms, paperwork for the privilege of coming. But they're not coming to work. They're coming just to speak at an event. But those four have been canceled with five with Lutz. I've also heard of the sixth one who contacted me. So I understand that this is a tactic. They want to do anything they can to stop it. And part of that was because Tommy was so successful when he was over in the US Connected with so many people. And that will not go unpunished. And this is obviously how they're trying to punish him by blocking his speakers to arrive.
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Steve Bannon
Peter, where do people get you and your shows up on. On War Room? Where do people get your social media? I'm gonna get you back on Monday or Tuesday. Go in this more detail. It's outrageous. They're blocking these Americans. Well, anybody, but particularly the Americans for company. Special relationship. King Charles. Where's that special relationship? Oh, that's right. You don't have anything to do with politics. What about Starmer, Peter? Where do people get you, sir?
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Peter McElveen
Well, they can get us. We have a Glenn story on. On Monday. The CEO of Patriot Mobile, who I know is on with you a lot, Steve. I was in their office. I caught up with him and filmed with him in their studios when I was over in Texas. So he's our guest on Monday. But yeah, we are on War Room, wherever you get War Room. Or you can find us on X at Hearts of Oak UK or Hearts of Oak everywhere else. So Monday, Thursday, normally Saturday, we don't have a show tonight, but we're back on Monday. So 3pm Eastern is the time you can find us on. Just stick with War Room and on Rumble or Getter and you'll eventually get to us.
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Steve Bannon
The show's great. Love it. Love your interview style. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.
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Peter McElveen
Thank you, Harn.
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Steve Bannon
Well, I got to pivot to the Pope, but give me a minute on. On this. On blocking these speakers. The Muslim Home Secretary blocking the speakers to come to Tommy Robinson's rally, sir.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, it's not a surprise and of course it's what the Labour Party is going to do. Huge Islamic proponent of its demographic core voters. Now it's an easy, it's picking low hanging fruit in order to curry favor with the, the Islamic bloc, the contingent of labor voters, isn't it? Right, just block a few right wing rabble rouses and you get millions of support. So arithmetic here, Steve, takes care of itself. Pretty straightforward.
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Steve Bannon
Talk to me. I got a couple about four minutes. Little Marco and the Pope Drudge Mac Daddy was how the American Pope is the greatest. People love him. They love him and hate Trump. What happened in Rome this week?
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Ben Harnwell
Well, it's pretty much if you look at the analysis of the mainstream media following the visit, it's pretty much exactly as the war room had predicted before little Marco's visit, during little Marco's visit and following little Marco's visit. It's a huge, it's my worst kind of tragedy, Steve, which is the tragedy of missed opportunities. It's really where the administration could have underlined the importance of Donald Trump as the key representative in the fight for Christendom. That's been ditched. Little Mark has gone over and shown massive moral authority to a person who is the sworn enemy of maga, America first and the Trump agenda. And it comes back to a point that again, I say this constantly on the war room. You cannot fight a religious figure on the political front whilst at the same time giving that religious figure figure moral credence. Moral authority in the spiritual realm doesn't work. All you're going to do is undermine yourself and that's exactly what's happened. And you can see. I know we'll dig into this after the break, but the whole tenor of the media now is that Leo, the first American Pope has massive leeway in the political sphere over the minds and emotional viewpoints of U.S. catholics. And it's a colossal own goal. Didn't need to be like that,
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Steve Bannon
Ben. Actually I got to jump because I get to AI, I want to have you back on Monday. We got to go through this because you're right, President Trump, right for all his, you know, faults, and he's the first to say that he is false, has been the leader in the restoration of Christendom as a political, in Christendom as a political force in standing up for Christendom across the globe. And Prevost is the exact opposite. I mean his trip to Sub Saharan Africa to me was an embarrassment. His embrace of Islam shows you everything you need to know about this guy. Yet we went there and essentially raised him up as some moral authority. He's not a moral authority when it comes to this. Just look at his actions. Ben Harnwell, we got about a minute. Your thoughts?
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, well, look at what he said. He said when he was asked whether he's being too political, he said, I will continue to speak out loudly, looking to promote peace, promoting dialogue and multilateral relationships. It's all there, Steve, to American Catholics. It's in your face. This guy is the honorary chaplain of the New World Order. There's nothing in his mandate or the way he's approaching office that even pretends to be promoting the gospel of Jesus Christ. It's a political agenda. And President Trump has been magnificent on defending Christianity around the world. Absolutely magnificent. Defending peoples that the Pope doesn't want to go near.
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Steve Bannon
By the way, Ben, where do people over the weekend till we get you back on Monday, where do they go for your beady eyed yet sharp analysis, sir?
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Ben Harnwell
Steve, adjectives are important. I keep saying this cynical BDI is gets my social media platform of choice. Tuppence Harnwell is my surname and my cynical BDI analysis, my daily provocations are all there at the top of my feed. Thanks, Steve. Have a great weekend. God bless.
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Steve Bannon
See you Monday, Ben. God bless you. Short break, the Joe Allen in the Threat of Artificial Intelligence as said by the executives in charge of artificial intelligence.
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Ben Harnwell
Next.
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Steve Bannon
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Scott Bessant
If you step back a moment and ask yourself who is most aggressively demanding that we, meaning political leaders gathered here today, do the most aggressive regulation. It is very often the people who already have an incumbent advantage in the market. And when a massive incumbent comes to us asking us for safety regulation, we ought to ask whether that safety regulation is for the benefit of our people or whether it's for the benefit of the incumbent. That the Trump administration will ensure that AI systems developed in America are free from ideological bias and never restrict our citizens right to free speech. We can trust our people to think, to consume information, to develop their own ideas, ideas, and to debate with one another in the open marketplace of ideas. Now, we've also watched as hostile foreign adversaries have weaponized AI software to rewrite history, surveil users and censor speech. This is hardly new, of course, as they do with other tech. Some authoritarian regimes have stolen and used AI to strengthen their military intelligence and surveillance capabilities, capture foreign data and create propaganda to undermine other nations national security. I want to be clear. This administration will block such efforts full stop.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, we're heading to Beijing. Joe Allen joins me now. Here's you've had Scott Besant now give multiple interviews, Joe, where he's saying, hey, he's involved in this now and safety is a top concern. Coming from the meeting he had with the bank guys where they talked about the mythos was a preview that can evaporate. I don't know, it can evaporate a money center bank by a cyber attack in like 60 seconds. Now you got Susie Wiles putting out. And this is because Hassett acid on Thursday or Friday might have been yesterday said, oh, we're setting up an FDA type thing to look at AI and of course they all melted down. And we're not an advocate of an FDA type thing, although we are advocate of atomic energy. Susie came out. So we're not going to pick winners and losers, but safety is a concern. Why all of a sudden they all concerned about safety? Why after they smack talked war room, the entire crowd over at the White House smack talked. You, me, war room. Oh, these guys. Because we knew the day was coming when someone like Anthropica come forward and say, hey, look, we got these programs and we can't even control them. We don't know how to control them. And it's gotten worse with the recursive, where the machine's actually writing its own code. It's Going to get worse and worse and worse. This is the gospel we've been preaching for five years, that this technology is very powerful. It can be some great things for humanity. But you must be very careful. And you have a group of people on the spectrum, that is the oligarchs, the leaders of this, that just want money and power in the White House and particularly now. There's two stories, one in the Wall Street Journal, one the Daily Mail, that when the anthropic thing came out on Mythos, JD gets on the phone and says, hey guys, we all got to work together. Gotta be better. That's not good enough. They're just not gonna. Just not gonna sit there with these guys, said, we gotta work together. Gotta be better. You gotta bang some heads. These guys are not good guys. They're actually bad guys, okay? And they're in charge of this. And they've tried everything in the world to try to get a license from the administration to just go full bore. And now we realize it is quite a problem, as we told you over and over and over again. So no getting on a conference call and saying, hey guys, can't we all just get along and work together? Can we give a heads up? This is a serious danger. When Scott Besson sitting there going, hey, I think a money center bank can be gone in 60 seconds. When Jamie Dimon's worried about, about JP Morgan bank, we. There are certain elements of this we have no control over. There's certain elements of it in that the machines are actually getting more aggressive on their own and writing their own code, what they call recursive, that we have no earthy idea where this is going. And now, and Hassett says fda, we've never mentioned that. That to me is a little heavy handed. And we don't. The FDA we have, doesn't work. But an Atomic Energy Commission or something, there must be a framework for regulation here, not just around children, which has to happen because that's horrible, but about exactly what these folks are doing. Joe Allen, the floor is yours.
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Joe Allen
Yes, Steve, this is the Mythos moment, as they say, but I think that even that is narrowing the scope of the problem quite a bit. You know, Besant, when he came out saying that the United States government would not allow unsafe systems to be deployed, what the main focus was is the danger of financial institutions and other critical infrastructure being undermined by say, just a random hacker who otherwise wouldn't have the capabilities. But using a system like Mythos or using a system like OpenAI's GPT 5.5 Cyber, which was just announced two days ago, basically OpenAI's version of mythos. The real issue here, I think, Steve, the reason that suddenly people are taking this seriously is that the institutions and the assets that the ruling class hold dear, being banks, money, the institutions responsible for maintaining and wielding power, they are now under threat by the AI systems being created and at least the threat that they would be deployed. Now I think that governing this, having some agency or another, whether it's the Department of Energy and a kind of Atomic Commission scenario, or whether you have DHS, or whether you have, as it's being suggested quite loudly by OpenAI and the abundance Institute and also the White House, Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, whatever it is. I think it's a minimum ask. A minimum ask to have someone Besides the tech CEOs and their minions watching over these systems, trying to understand what the potential threats are. Because right now, Steve, this Mythos moment is highlighting the potential for AI systems to be used for cyber attacks. And they could be cyber attacks against banks, they could be cyber attacks against hospitals, against water plants, as it was talked about on this phone call with J.D. vance and the various frontier execs. It could be schools, it could be any government agency, it could be the military, it could be all of that. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. We also know that these systems are capable of assisting in the creation of bioweapons. We know that these systems are able to be used in an agentic fashion to have phishing operations, spam nudging, public opinion, dissemination of disinformation, misinformation, so on and so forth. You have deep fake capabilities. You have the ability to or the latent capability of suicide coaching, whether it be children or anyone else, mass shooting coaching. And you also have the problems of hallucination. And then on the other side of that, Steve, you know, the problem of hallucination highlights how these systems are stupid. On the other side of that, you have the possibility that these systems will exhibit so called superhuman capabilities again in cyber attacks, in deepfake creation, in disinformation dissemination, so on and so forth. So I think, Steve, that what bessant is simply stating that the United States government needs to ensure that these systems are quote unquote safe. I think that is a minimum ask. And I think that the threat of cyber attacks or any kind of cyber security threat, that is one facet among many in which these systems could be used not only to damage financial institutions or any other kind of critical Infrastructure. These systems across the board are already degrading schools. They're already creating kind of hallucinatory diagnoses and therapeutic recommendations for doctors. They're already most likely creating situations in which kill decisions are made by the military without adequate review. So again, I think Bessen is 100% correct that the United States government has to be involved in this. I don't think it should be voluntary as it's being proposed now that it can't be violent.
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Steve Bannon
Listen, let's just cut to the chase, okay? These guys look the other way. People in the administration, not giving President Trump full information, went out of their way to look the other way and let these oligarchs just run rampant with this thing, right? And then until the war room got involved, they tried to make Anthropic. And look, Anthropic's kind of woke, right? There's issues there. I'm not pushing any one company. But when Anthropic held back because they said, hey, these things, so we don't know how to control it, I don't know how we're going to feel comfortable turning over to the War Department. And at first, this is terrible. This is not going to happen. We're going to have that. We said, oh, you're wrong on this. And guess what? They admitted they're wrong on that. They're actually working with Anthropic more than ever. Correct, Joe? Because their initial take was incorrect. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
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Joe Allen
It just highlights that on the one hand you can rattle the sabers and say, we don't need you anymore. And of course, the Department of War is now making deals across the board with OpenAI, with XAI, with Amazon, with Microsoft, so on and so forth to bring them in to replace Anthropic and Claude in the role of going over classified documents. But the use, the continued use of Claude for both reviewing and analyzing and summarizing classified documents and also to review surveillance data for faster decision making processes on the battleground. And what it shows is that people see both the power of these systems. They see that these companies are wielding that power. They're leveraging that power to kind of dictate what either the Department of War is doing or what any other United States government agency may be doing. And it also highlights, Steve, that what we're dealing with here isn't some sort of static technology. It's not like the models that Mythos. That's the last one. And once we get that under wraps, everything's okay. These guys are going full board, trying to develop more and more capable technologies. They're ignoring the faults of the technologies and they're also in many cases whitewashing the dangerous capabilities of these technologies. Yes, I think again, it's a minimum ask have someone accountable to the people, that being the United States government, overseeing the development of these technologies and forcing transparency. What's going on inside these systems? How are they being trained? What data is being used?
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Steve Bannon
Look, we're anti regulatory and we're deconstructing the administrative state. We're not trying to add another bureau. This is a massive national security problem for the citizens of this country. The other is what these oligarchs are doing to the Chinese Communist Party. Part of the meeting in Beijing to tell them, hey, look, no more chips, no more education, no more students coming over here, no more guys working in our labs. None of it. No equity, no debt, no nothing. I want to go back. I'm holding to the break real quickly just to find hallucination, particularly for some audience members, because hallucinations is bad enough. But then you have the machines showing their own individual will not to be corrected. To lie and get around that. What is hallucinations? First,
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Joe Allen
it's a really important concept. It's one we've hit a lot. And it's simply the tendency. It's also called confabulation. But it's the tendency of advanced systems to confidently state some fact or another or even make whole arguments that are simply fabricated. They're incorrect. And the hallucinations have not been stamped out of these systems you hear all the time, oh, we're correcting for them. If you look, for instance, at the omniscience index, which we covered in detail, it's an evaluation which shows that in general, on average, the systems that are more capable when they don't know the answer to a question are more likely to hallucinate or to give a confident answer that is simply false. Now, in education, that's important. In medicine, that's really important. And in the military context, well, obviously it's potentially deadly.
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Steve Bannon
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Joe Allen
Again, Steve, I think that some sort of accountability, whether it be state level or federal level, some declared accountability, so that if a company, for instance, under SB 53 in California, if a company has put out a model that is used to create damage that the company could have foreseen, then they can be held liable in court. They will be fined. It's a minimum ask. A minimum ask. And with the Mythos moment, right, coupled with OpenAI's GPT 5.5 Cyber, this mythos moment, the potential for massive cyber attacks that amateurs can then create, this shows us that these systems are not simply tools that make people's lives easier. These are systems that can be extraordinarily dangerous. And so the suggestion that you would use an agency like Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, to test the models before they're released, again, that would be a minimum ask. And the suggestion that this should be voluntary, that basically companies would voluntarily submit their models for rubber stamping of safe and effective. Screw that ridiculous. And we, we hear simultaneously OpenAI pushing last month, as we covered OpenAI pushing Casey to be basically the hinge upon which the US Government and these tech companies would revolve. And you also hear the Abundance Institute suggesting the same. It tells me that they see this as the weakest point in the system. So I think that again, even if Chris Fall, the current director of Casey, comes from the Department of Energy, I think the Department of Energy is much better equipped to do this sort of oversight because they've already handled things like nuclear threats. But in general, Steve, I just, if I can end on this right now, we see both the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, and Now Vice President J.D. vance acknowledging the actual danger that has been talked about for years. Cyber attacks are one facet. You have to go down the list. Bioweapons deep fakes, rogue agentic AI, children being groomed sexually, children being given suicide coaching, psychopaths being given mass shooting coaching on and on and on. These systems latent within them have the potential for horrific malicious sort of activity behavior. What we have to do I believe is at the very least have agencies accountable to the people overseeing this. If you don't, if the companies are allowed to self regulate, they will do exactly what they've done so far, which is run roughshod over the public and recklessly deploy an extremely dangerous technology big time.
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Steve Bannon
And the next year we don't do it, this next year is gonna be total chaos. Where they go for your writings Joe, and for your where you're gonna go
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Joe Allen
on your travels at J O E B O T X Y Z on X and Jobot xyz. Thank you very much Steve.
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Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you brother. Appreciate you always. Thank you for being in the worm today. Mike Lindell cannot be with us. He'll be with us back on Monday. You get total free shipping on everything you order. Make sure you back me up here. I'm trying to show Mike I can sell as well as he can. Go to mypillow.com promo code, war room, everything you get Mother's Day special all over and free shipping. Trevor Comstock, you also have a Mother's Day special for us. What do you got, sir?
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