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Episode 5362: Standing Firm In South Carolina Against Democrat Redistricting Efforts
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News Anchor
Waiting game here at the White House this weekend. But as you mentioned, the United States has now received a response from Iran on its proposal to bring this conflict to an end. And President Donald Trump says that he is not happy with it. I want to pull up that full response for you. Now this came on True Social Sunday. Trump said, I have just read the response from Iran's so called representatives. I don't like it. And then in all caps he called it totally unacceptable. Now it's obvious that Trump does not believe that this response puts the United States in a place for serious negotiations. But there are still a lot of questions and we have reached out to the White House for specifics on this. What was included in the response and how far does it go, if at all, in addressing Iran's nuclear capabilities, its highly enriched uranium, the things that we have been discussing for several weeks, according to Iranian state media, that counter proposal, it included acknowledgment of sovereignty of the Strait of Hormuz and demands for compensation. Those non starters here at the White House. And this response, it came later than many administration officials had predicted. In fact, Trump and other officials on Friday said that they thought that they would receive a response from Tehran sometime that day. Even then, Trump was pressed on the timing if he believed that Iran was slow rolling this response. And he essentially said we'll find out soon enough. In an interview with Axios yesterday, Trump did confirm that he had spoken, spoken with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, that the two discussed the Iranian response as well as other matters. They have been in close contact throughout these peace negotiations, these attempts at peace negotiations. He did categorize that as a good phone call. And all of this comes as he is preparing for a high stakes trip to China where he will have bilateral meetings with Chinese leader Xi Jinping. We expect there to be a welcome ceremony, those meetings leading up to a state banquet. And this topic of the conflict in Iran and all that it impacts will no doubt loom large.
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Political Analyst
Is the war with Iran over and if it isn't, who will decide when it is? I think it accomplished a great deal, but it's not over because there's still nuclear material, enriched uranium that has to be taken out of Iran. There is still enrichment sites that have to be dismantled. There are still proxies that Iran supports, there are ballistic missiles that they still want to produce. Now we've degraded a lot of it, but all of that is still there and there's work to be done. How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran. You go in and you take it out with what? Special forces from Israel, Special forces from the United States. Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but what President Trump has said to me, I want to go in there and I think it can be done physically. That's not the problem. If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not? That's the best way. What if there isn't an agreement? Can it be taken out by force? Well, you're going to ask me these questions, I'm going to dodge them, because I'm not going to talk about our military possibilities, plans or anything of the kind. And I'm just trying to get at how long is it going to take
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Stephen K. Bannon
to achieve that aim.
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Political Analyst
I'm not going to give a timetable to it, but I'm going to say that's a terrifically important mishite. I don't think we could quantify it exactly, but I think that the problem of the Hormuz Straits was understood as the fighting went on. I think that's. It became understood. It became understood. Was it misread at the beginning? I think. I'm not sure it was misread, but there's a great risk for Iran to do it, and it took a while for them to understand how big that risk is, which they understand now. Because of the blockade. Because of the blockade. And that's actually a brilliant move by the president. I think it's very smart. And I don't think they calculated a. That well, I think they didn't calculate the response that this would have. Yes, they could cause a global dislocation of markets trying to take over an international maritime route. They could do that, but they should have understood that that would eventually cause, you know, a reaction that was very power and that is now collapsing their economy. So that people understand that we understand that, yeah, they could do it, but then they wouldn't do it because they understood what would happen if they did do it. Yeah. No, I don't claim perfect foresight, and nobody had perfect foresight. Neither did the Iranians. They should have figured out that that's what's coming. Envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran. You go in and you take it out with what? Special forces from Israel, special forces from the United States working in tandem under international supervision.
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Stephen K. Bannon
How?
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Political Analyst
Well, I'm not going to about military means, but the president, what President Trump has said to me, I want to go in there. I mean, he said that publicly. He said it and I think he's right. He's very committed to this. And, and I think it can be done physically. That's not the problem. If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not? That's the best way. What if there isn't an agreement? Can it be taken out by force? Well, you're going to ask me these questions, I'm going to dodge them. So you can ask me that second time, third time, and I'll dodge it second time, third time because I'm not going to talk about our military possibilities, plans or anything.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I want to talk about the isolationists, the neo fascists who accuse our president and our country and our military of imperialism and colonialism in this war, who accuse Israel and the prime minister there, Netanyahu, of dragging us into a war. Who accused Jews of controlling the President, Jews controlling our foreign policy and all
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Political Analyst
the rest of the Jew hatred they
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Stephen K. Bannon
spew while the Persian people are being slaughtered and abused. You all disgust me the Most.
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Political Analyst
Room. On February 11, Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell, suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint U.S. israeli mission could finally bring an end to the Iranian, to the Islamic Republic. Is that correct? No, that's actually incorrect because in what ways is it incorrect? It's incorrect in the sense that I said, oh well, it's guaranteed we can do it and so on. I didn't say that. We both understood that we have little time to act because otherwise they'd get nuclear weapons. We both understood that we have little time to act because otherwise they'll bury underground their ballistic missile capabilities. But while we were, we said that part of the action would be the removal of the leadership and other measures. There was uncertainty. And we said it all this, you know, is uncertain if you ever, you know, engage in military. In the confines of that conversation, you noted the uncertainty. Not only did I notice, we both agreed, you know, that there was both uncertainty and risk involved. And I remember that we, I said, and he said that the danger, there's danger in action, in taking action, but there's greater danger in not taking action. So there was no certainty there. There was no guarantee. It wasn't pie in the sky the way people describe it. It was, I think, a very truthful presentation of the possibilities and the risks that point Looking forward, Mr. Prime Minister, do you believe it's time for the State of Israel to re examine and possibly reset its financial relationship to the United States, meaning what the United States provides to Israel on an absolutely. And I've said this to President Trump, I've said it to our own people, their jaws drop. But I said, look, what do you mean? What are you saying? What I'm saying is that I want to draw down to zero the American financial support, the financial component of the military cooperation that we have because we receive, we receive $3.8 billion a year. Now it's true, you spent trillions of dollars or hundreds of billions and billions of dollars in Afghanistan and so on. And one of your senators said, hell, if we had in Israel instead of Afghanistan, you know, you know, over there, we wouldn't have to spend a trillion dollars. We wouldn't, it'd be a lot cheaper. But I'm saying it's going to be a lot cheaper because I want to draw down the American support for Israel to zero. We've come of age, we have a booming economy. After three years, you know, our currency is the strongest it's ever been in the last 50 years, maybe more. Our stock market is one of the leading stock markets in the world. It's because we have this very high tech juggernaut economy, one of the two centers of cross discipline breaking technologies just changing the world. And we have a lot of talent here which we share with our American friends and we're going to share it with our Arab friends too. And I, I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves from the remaining military support and go from aid to partnership. So I want to draw it down and then I want to suggest projects, joint projects for intel, for weapons, for missile defense. Israel, I think has, you know, is a leader in this, in the world. Many countries come to us for it. I'd like to share it with the United States. We put in exact amount of money. You put the same. We share the fruits. Exactly.
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Civil Rights Commentator
Isn't that a part of this though that we have realize is actually humiliation? This is not only about the political tactics of moving around districts and getting people elected. I think the uniformity that you see Southern Republicans moving and redistricting and redistricting quickly is about what they perceive as payback and an unfair stacking of the deck from their reading of the Civil Rights Act. And so this is about overturning two generations broad consensus in America. We have to remember that the reauthorization of the Voting Rights act In the early 2000s passed with a massive bipartisan majority. It was proposed by George Bush at the time. Not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. But there are people that have been resentful since 1965. And that resentment is paying, is paying off right now in terms of what they're doing. This isn't only about the tactics and the filing deadlines and the seat margins.
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Political Strategist
But I get your point. But it's about winning it. So, I mean, I get the, you know, I get the humanitarian part of it and I get it. And I agree.
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Civil Rights Commentator
I don't think it's humanitarian. I actually think that it's.
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Political Strategist
But it's about winning it.
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Civil Rights Commentator
I think it's.
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Political Strategist
If you want to.
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Civil Rights Commentator
I think this is raw racial politics. I don't actually think that this is about humanitarian anything. I think this is about raw racial politics in this country and in the south in particular, then use the law
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Political Strategist
to win it back.
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Civil Rights Commentator
The law was saying, well, the law was there and we had a majority Supreme Court which said that the purpose of the law to address racial discrimination was actually racially discriminate. A new generation of Americans have to show up, stand up, speak up, fight, get into good trouble to usher in an era of progress. We went from the progress of emancipation to the backlash of Jim Crow, the progress of the civil rights movement to the backlash of mass incarceration, the progress of electing Barack Obama to the backlash that has resulted in the elevation of Donald Trump, MAGA extremism and this behavior that we're seeing coming out of the Supreme Court of the United States to throw the American south back into the Jim Crow era. So it's going to take an all hands on deck effort.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Monday, the 11th of May, year of our Lord 2026. We're packed today. We're going to go to the White House. There's going to be an event, there's going to be event on women's health care that we're going to get to momentarily, 10:30, we'll pick it up and follow it. It as long as we're breaking news on it and then we'll come back, we'll dip out, come back to the show and we'll go back. If he takes the president takes questions from the, from the media because there's a lot going on. Obviously, the president said, you know, totally unacceptable. I think he was. His words about the, the proposal we got from Iran, I may want to add, we talked in the Friday and Saturday show, Axios and other organizations that have tremendous access to the West Wing, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Axios were all saying that, yeah, they were, they were, you know, 10 days late on this. But White House officials and members of the administration were Working with elements over there to get something. It's totally unacceptable. They get sovereignty of the straight of Hormuz in this reparations. And of course there's no mention whatsoever on the nuclear situation. So President Trump very upset his true socials, you know, told you as much we're going to get in the second hour about where we go from here. Also Netanyahu, I'll break that down later. He can look in the eye, a bald face, lie. I mean unless the New York Times story, which no one's refuted back from April, where J.D. vance, Marco Rubio, General Kane and the Chairman of the joint or the head of the director of the joint chiefs of the director of the CIA all uniformly said that that's exactly what Netanyahu and the Mossad said, that the Persians would fold up in 72 hours and the people, the Persians would take to the streets and overthrow the regime. Guess what? Didn't happen. But there he's denying it. No, never said that didn't happen. Also this. He couldn't rub your nose more about how great the Israeli county is. I agree. That's why the memorandum of understanding which is now proposed for 10 years was 38 billion has to go to zero today. No, no memorandum of understanding. They're a wealthy country. They can pay for their defense themselves. And then we don't get tangled up with America's greatest ally. We just deal with the Arabs who are the second greatest ally. Another great pieces of work over there. Short break. Caroline Wren in South Carolina. Next, everyone's focus on how the conflict in the Middle east is raising oil prices. But there's another grim reality to this contention. Oil isn't the only resource being constrained. About one third of global fertilizer trade happens through this region. And with spring planting season on top of us, American farmers are sounding the alarm with some saying they can't afford to plant their fields. When one piece of the supply chain gets hit this hard, you know what comes next? Higher fruit prices, reduced availability, maybe even panic buying. That's why having an emergency food supply at home makes so much sense. And that's where our friends at my Patriot Supply come in right now@preparedwithbannon.com that is preparewithbannon.com we've set up an entire just site for the war room posse. You go to preparewithbannon.com that's all one word. Preparewithbannon.com you get a three month emergency food supply. They'll include a free mega protein Upgrade, an incredible $200 bonus you don't want to miss. It's a simple way to protect your family from whatever comes next. Go to preparewithbannon.com that is preparewithband.com to get your emergency food supply today. That's preparewithbannon.com do it today. Go check it out.
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Civil Rights Commentator
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Welcome back. By the way, I, I don't believe the New York Times story. I certainly don't believe the leaks coming from those around the president. I don't. But I think that that has got to be, I don't know, investigated later. Like I said, I hate the fact that we're in this world, but now we got to win it. And I think everybody, instead of going to Rome and going to Iowa, Everybody get to D.C. because there's wishful thinking going on those leaks from the White House during the week. Oh, behind the scenes, we're working with, with respectable people are going to come. If what the president said in his total rejection, he says totally unacceptable, totally unacceptable. If that's what they came back with, they're not interested in winding this thing down. This is why, if you're going to do this Beijing trip, this has got to be the top of the list. Beijing's supplying these guys with arms in the overland route. And we know, in fact, Sam Fatis, I'm trying to get Sam in the second hour. If we can pull in magazine, Sam's got like 10 points. If you want to shut this thing down, you got to shut it down, including making sure the Chinese Communist Party is not getting any oil at all, that it's not somehow being going through Iraq and then, you know, being blended and going out on a ghost ship. You got to get serious about this because they just told you with no respect that we're not beaten. We think we're winning. Okay, if that's what you think, that's what you think. Somebody's got to disabuse them with that. Otherwise you're going to be there for a couple of years, not just through the midterms. So don't just focus on the midterms. Focus on the reality of where these people think they are. We'll get to that in a moment. Caroline Wren, the Democrats showed the mask came off after they started losing in the last couple of days. The mask came off. Just how radical. And this is not the punks in Tennessee at the State House we showed last week. This is not the punks in the street for all these no Kings rallies. This is the leadership of the Democratic Party taking the most radical. What they're trying to do in Virginia. They're trying to dissolve the Supreme Court in Virginia and have a do over right now. And I mean, a radical plan in the Commonwealth to dissolve the Supreme Court. They're also talking about openly talking about packing the Supreme Court of the United States. People, people better start taking them seriously because too many establishment Republicans just sitting there going, oh, no, we're going to play by. They're not playing by the rules. They are adamantly opposed to the constitutional order, just like the Bolsheviks that they are. Caroline Wren, your thoughts on why are we not going to a maximalist strategy here, Ma'? Am.
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Political Strategist
Yeah, I made this point over the weekend, specifically about this, the New York Times article that came out about how the congressional Democrats spent the weekend trying to implement a plan for a new congressional map in Virginia, which involved lowering the retirement age of the Virginia Supreme Court justices so they could kick the ones that opposed them off of the court and then invalidating the constitutional amendment that created the bipartisan redistricting commission, which, like, again, it is a, I said this, it is a categorically insane thing to do. But the Democrats are categorically insane. And this is kind of the level of insanity that I was wanting to see from, say, Brian Kemp, because the Democrats are always willing to cross the line. And while the GOP dances around democracy and it's just silly to me with Brian Kibbs was saying, oh, we can't. Voting has started. I'm like, okay, give me a break. If there was a Democrat governor there, if this was all reversed, they would have already invalidated the votes and redone this election. And we know this now by what they are openly saying about Virginia. And it's the same with packing the court. Look, I mean, like, I was listening to this podcast with Andrew Weissman over the weekend. He's a big Democrat attorney. He was a leading prosecutor for Robert Mueller's team. But he said, guys, slow your roll on saying pack the court. Because the Republicans might figure out that the only way to do that is if you have all three branches of government, which the Republicans currently do. And God forbid President Trump figures out he could do it and they move forward. And I was like, you know what? This guy's exactly right. Like, why are we saying it's outrageous? The Democrats are saying this. President Trump should immediately announce four new Supreme Court justices. Might I recommend Supreme Court Justice Eileen Cannon, Supreme Court Justice Mike Davis, Supreme Court Justice Mike Lee, and Supreme Court Justice Ted Cruz. We have all three branches of Government. And so let's fight fire with fire. President Trump, go ahead, say, you know what, the Democrats, they're right. Let's pack the court. Let's do it and then pack the freaking court. Because these Democrats, like we've got to call them out and we got to, we got to play the games that they're willing to play and we have the power to actually do it while they don't go back.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I want to take a second, just go back. Because they started in Virginia, then they went to the Supreme Court. And you may say they're insane. This is a plan that they're trying to work through with lawyers right now. The Andrew Weissman's of the world, they've got a very smart legal team. So the Mark Elias, all these guys are on it. What are they trying to do? And if people think this is a last gas measure, they'll come up with something else. But they are working on this. This is leadership. This is not a bunch of fringe people, you know, in some text chain. This is a conference call to rally their troops, rally their money to do this, walk through what they want to do in the Commonwealth again.
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Political Strategist
Yeah, this was Hakeem Jeffries and like the Democrat Party's attorneys that were strategizing here on what to do. And the Supreme Court justices in Virginia are appointed by the legislature. They are then reelected by the legislature every 10 years. So their plan was to go in and have the Virginia legislature, which is majority Democrat controlled right now, pass a bill that would lower the retirement age of South Carolina Supreme Court judges.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Thus Virginia, Virginia, Virginia, several years.
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Political Strategist
Virginia, kicking off several of the judges that they could then appoint, new ones that they know would vote in their favor on this map. Like this is how crazy this is. But this was not a like fake call. This was a real plan that they had mapped out over the weekend that they may just cause the New York Times got it. Doesn't mean they're not gonna try and do it right. Like I'm glad people got wind of it. We can talk about it now and call it out for how insane it is. Just cuz it's insane doesn't mean they won't try it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And talk to me about Weissman on this podcast. What did Weisman say?
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Political Strategist
So Weisman specifically on this podcast was talking about packing the U.S. supreme Court. This is different from Virginia Supreme Court. He was saying, hey guys, slow your roll on talking about packing the U.S. supreme Court. Because Donald Trump might get wind of this idea and realized the only way to pack the US Supreme Court is you'd have to have all three branches of government, which Republicans have. You'd have to nuke the filibuster, which Republicans don't have the guts to actually do right now. But we're working hard to change that. But Donald Trump could still take this playbook that Democrats are talking about packing the court. He could do it right now. And so my point is don't threaten me with a good time. Let's do it. Let's pack it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I love it. We'll get on this right away. Talk to me about South Carolina. Why is South Carolina. We got some other states that are hesitant president to go all in. We got Clyburn's district down there. That's unconstitutional, ma', am, and been unconstitutional for decades. Why are we not eliminating that unconstitutional congressional district?
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Political Strategist
Well, the South Carolina Democrats and their partners in the media are trying to use the ridiculous playbook, which is the same playbook that they did in Tennessee, which is they're on media saying, oh, this new map is great. We're actually, you know, going to pick up some seats. Thing is, they're bluffing. Do not fall for it. Just look at Tennessee. The Tennessee Democrats in the lead up to that vote, they were all on the national media saying this is great. We're gonna possibly pick up two seats. Then the vote actually happens and then they have a full blown meltdown on the House floor when it passes. So some of these squishy Republican South Carolina state senators or others, they're buying these talking points by the Democrats like Bakari Sellers and Joe Cunningham who are saying, oh, this new South Carolina map is great because it'll actually probably result in a 5, 2 map. So Democrats pick up a seat. My point is that is preposterous. If that was the case, if they actually believe that, then every South Carolina Democrat in the state House and state Senate should vote for this new map. But they're not going to. So stop buying the Democrat. Psyop. Get on board with President Trump, get this passed and let's pick up a 70 map in South Carolina and pick up a seat.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Let's bring in Jordan Pace. Jordan, you're from South Carolina. Is that, is that doable? What is, what is the holdup for us going 70 in South Carolina and taking Jim Clyborne's seat, Sir?
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Jordan Pace
Yeah, the, the biggest holdup right now is something called the Sign a Die resolution at, at the end of every session. Our, our session ends this Thursday at 5pm by law, most years we pass something called Sign a die. This is a resolution that lists the things that we can come back for once session is over. The governor said he won't call us back. So if we, the House has already passed it. If the Senate doesn't pass the Sign and Die amendment, that includes congressional redistricting, the whole endeavor's done and we have until Thursday at 5pm to get that done.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Jordan. It's been deemed unconstitutional.
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Jordan Pace
Emotional.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It's, it's been an oppression of the South Carolina people for decade after decade. Why is the Senate, since the Supreme Court has ruled, what's the, in the House? You guys in the House have, have already voted to, to have a new map. What is. I, I think people around the country kind of like, what is the hang up?
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Jordan Pace
Yeah, that's, that's, that is the question of the week is what is the hang up? I think Caroline was right. Some of these Republican senators are buying into this false talking point that it's going to give the Democrats, you know, extra seats, more. We're going to lose seats, not gain seats. And if that were the case. Hang on.
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Stephen K. Bannon
But you got the House. You guys went through this map and you voted right now South Carolina. But you guys don't Sign or Die resolution on the Sign or Die. But you guys don't think, you wouldn't have done that. You don't think that this is going to be 5:2. There's, there's no way you think you'll come up with a map to do that because, because once again, that would be unconstitutional, wouldn't it?
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Jordan Pace
Correct. I filed a bill to get this moving back in January and very thankfully, with the VRA ruling, it's got some speed. But I've been looking at these maps for a while. We've done a lot of analysis on the map that came down from the National Republican Redistricting Trust. And it's a winner. We just need the Senate get on board. Specifically, we need them to vote for the Sign and Die amendment so we can come back as soon as session's over and finish the job. We need them to pass that Sign and Die amendment without any amendments. They just need to vote. Yes.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I'm going to ask you to stay through the break. And also the White House event may be starting shortly. But just one more time. You guys have reviewed the analysis of how potential these districts will be. You do not believe the House does not believe this will turn out to be a five two with two for the Democrats if this moves forward. Correct.
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Jordan Pace
Now, this should be a 70 map. We need people to show up to vote, but it should be a 70 map based on 2018 through 2024 data.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Jordan Pace, stick around, please. Caroline Wrenn, please stick around. We're gonna get to you guys, right? This is the issue before us that we have to address now. The momentum is huge about the midterm elections. We're also going to get. We're going to go to the White House live and then back for some analysis of the war in the Middle East. All next in bluray. The dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971. Gold was fixed at $35 an ounce. Well, fast forward to today and the US dollar has lost over 85% of its purchasing power. Power gold, on the other hand, is increased in value by over 12,000%. That's why Central banks are buying gold at record levels. That's why major firms like Vanguard and BlackRock hold significant positions in gold. And that's why I encourage you to consider diversifying your savings with physical gold from Birch Gold Group. But it starts with education. Birchgold just announced their Learn and Earn Precious Metals Available event. This free online event rewards you for learning the basics of investing in precious metals. Sign up to get a free silver on your next purchase. Get even larger incentives as you go. The more you learn, the more you can earn. But you must act now, as this special event only runs through April 30th. The dollar lost its anchor in 1971. You don't have to lose yours. Text my name, Bannon B A N N O N to the number 989-898 to join Birch Gold's Learn and Earn Precious Metals event by April 30th. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 and do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Okay, we're gonna go to the White House here as soon as we get the signal. Scott Pressler is also going to join us. And in the, the Tina Peters team is going to join us a little bit later. Caroline runs with us. Want to go back to Jordan Pace? The House of delegates in South Carolina 117, the District. What are the folks in South Carolina? The voters. What are the voters in some of these districts and. Or your House district in the state legislature. What are they telling you about this situation? What do the voters think?
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Jordan Pace
Yeah, I've talked to a ton of voters that are in the 6th district now. Now Republican Party members that are in Colleton and Bamberg and these, these rural districts that have been ruled over by Commerce, Congressman Clyburn and his personal political fiefdom for decades. And they're, they're desperate to get something done so that they can have some representation in Congress. That is what they've told me for months. That's why I filed the bill to do this back in January is somebody had to start, you know, get this ball rolling. And they're as enthusiastic as ever, probably more so than ever that we, that we're running the cusp of getting this done.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, Jordan, Brother Pace, the folks in the, in the South Carolina Senate, the Republicans are very smart. They can't possibly, I'm not buying this. They think, oh, it's going to be a five, two. That, that's, that's a misdirection play. What is the real reason that the Senate of South Carolina is not moving on this with dispatch? So, sir?
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Jordan Pace
Well, there's the Senate of South Carolina is an interesting kind of creature of its on its own. They don't like being told what to do. I think that's a, that's in large part what a lot of this distraction, this delay and this kind of confusion tactics that they're outlaying is that they're not used to getting told what to do because every senator wakes up in the morning and, and when they, they're shaving in the mirror, they see the next governor of South Carolina. And so they've just, just, they just don't like being told what to do. Is part of it. I think part of them, part of them may be actually genuinely concerned that this is not going to wind up the way that it will, that it should. But all the data is pointing to the opposite. This should be a slam dunk, should be a 70. And you know that this is what the people of not only South Carolina want, but the people of the United States need to keep control of Congress so things don't go totally off the rails. As if they were not already off the rails. Nothing. D.C. yeah.
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Stephen K. Bannon
If you read Justice Alito's opinion or the lead opinion there, just on the practical politics side, when they look in the mirror and see the potential future governor of South Carolina, doesn't it click in given Indiana and other places that MAGA has a long memory here and MAGA wants this done and conservative Republicans want it done. So if one wants to be, be potentially a future governor of South Carolina, the upholding the constitutional order should be probably the top of the top of the stack in your inbox every day.
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Jordan Pace
It should. The, the reality is, though, that most senators never face a political challenge. Many of them kind of get in there and they're, they're there forever. I think Nikki Setzer, who's now retired, he was there for like 40, I think 44 years. Senator Leatherman, who was, who ran, who's basically the prince of South Carolina for several decades. He was in the Senate for 44 years before he passed away. That's just kind of the nature of the body. And they are not used to getting pressure, especially pressure from the grassroots. They don't have an election this year. The election's two years from now. So I'm sure many of them are thinking two years is a, is an eternity when it comes to politics. But I hope you're right. I think that people have a long memory and if we don't get this done this week, then folks are going to remember that come 2028, make our audience smart.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Since this is made up of grassroots leaders and grassroots folks, what should we look for this week in South Carolina from the Senate that's a signal that we're not being effective, that it's not going to get done, that you're not going to pass this at the end of the, at the end of the week that allows a special session to be called, Sir? Yeah.
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Jordan Pace
The number one red flag is if they amend the Sign and die resolution, if they try to change the Sign and die resolution, then that is a clear indication that they are playing political games to distract the delay to make sure this doesn't get get done while being able to say, oh, you know, we're trying to get it done. We're trying to do our best. If they amend signed out, that is the red flag. And the majority leader in the Senate, his phone lines already got shut down last weekend when people were calling. People just got to keep that pressure up. And it's not just him. They got to call their senator and tell them, you got to get this done, don't amend, sign a die, get it passed. Ideally tomorrow when they go back in the session, but by 5pm on Thursday.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Jordan, how do people your your social media, your Twitter feed or Getter or your your homepage. Where do people go to keep up with this? Because this is one that's going to be 24, 7 between now and Friday. So where do people go?
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Jordan Pace
My handle on Twitter on X is JScott Pace and then our social media on, on the Freedom Caucus. Who's been, who's been given updates on this very regularly is SC Freedom Caucus at SC Freedom Caucus or they can go to our website. South Carolina freedom.com is the is the website to get the whole link tree and all those.
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Stephen K. Bannon
By the way, you're the Freedom Caucus in South Carolina is a model for how things should be run. It's outstanding, outstanding job.
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Jordan Pace
We're doing our best.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Appreciate appreciate you coming on. Caroline Ren's with us. I do want to bring, I want to bring in Scott Pressler right now. Caroline, just hang over a second, Scott. I'll get to the longer interview probably after the present. But you were in Indiana. You were a turning point at the tip of the spear. What advice would you have for folks in South Carolina given your involvement with Turning Point on the situation in Indiana?
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Jordan Pace
Sir,
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Scott Pressler
my encouragement to any state senators or any legislators that are going to defy the will of the very constituents they represent is if you do not follow through on providing our Make America First Great Again agenda, supporting President Donald J. Trump will support us or lose your seats. And I think Indiana has become a verb. Steve, we are going to Indiana. Cornyn, we are going to Indiana. Cassidy peacefully and we are going to Indiana. Any state senator that doesn't redraw its congressional maps, especially when the people are asking for that, that is there any
- [36:46]
Stephen K. Bannon
higher priority that President Trump, knowing your knowledge of the team and President Trump, etc. Is there any higher priority he has at this moment on Monday the 11th of May in the year of our Lord 2026, than making sure we support the constitutional order and redraw these maps away from these unconstitutional congressional districts? Sir,
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Scott Pressler
besides the Save America act, if we have any hope of keeping our majority in the House of Representatives, I think this is one of the singular foci that we need to have in order to make sure that we're victorious this November. So Mississippi, we expect the job to get done. South Carolina, we expect the job to get done. And we have to give thanks where thanks is due. Thank you, Governor Lee. Thank you, Governor Abbott. Thank you, Governor DeSantis. Those are champions of liberty and freedom and we expect these other Southern states to do the same or we are going to democratically remove you from office.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I think Scott brings up a good point. You know, and we've had issues with some of these guys before, but Bill Lee, Abbott and DeSantis stepped up to the plate, did the hard work and and Kemp in Georgia is absolutely just given a is shining a fair the well, as we say, Caroline Wren picking up on Scott's comments. Number one, what do we have to do in South Carolina again? Then, you know, Mississippi Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama. What else do we have to do?
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Political Strategist
Well, just going back to the mindset of these South Carolina senators, you got to remember this is the state of Strom thurmond, who had four kids after he was 70 and was in office until he was 100. And so the culture of like South Carolina politics is kind of you get in and you just remain there until you die. And they have never really gotten a pressure campaign before on the national level. And they don't, some don't really respond to it at all. Like they get their news from npr. Some of it, it backfires. So it's kind of, you know, we're trying to play this as carefully as possible, convince people on the merits, like this is actually a good thing for your state and nationally. Now, regarding your question as to the priority for the president, you know, I think a priority for the president, obviously, is to keep a Republican House. That's what we're trying. We're fighting for every single seat so that we don' wake up in November with Speaker Hakeem Jeffries with a one seat majority because we didn't fight in say, South Carolina. But then past that, it's more than just having the majority. You have to do something with it. That's where nuking the filibuster or passing the Save America act also come into play. These are equally as important. We are trying to give President Trump the tools that he needs to have an extremely successful two years in office these last two years or potentially, God, I hope it's more. And so we're doing that. But then if they get it, they have to do something with it.
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Jordan Pace
It.
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Political Strategist
That is why both of these things have to be fought on multiple fronts. We have to get the Save America act passed and we have to retain the House in the Senate.
- [39:48]
Stephen K. Bannon
But to to on the Senate, on the House to get within, I don't know, 215 or 216, which is striking distance of 218. We still need the extra seat in Louisiana. I think we have the situation in Mississippi. I don't know if we're totally clear in Alabama. Georgia's given us a fairly well North Carolina. There's some things sitting there. What do we have to do? This has got to be a maximalist strategy. We need. First off, it's unconstitutional. We have to. The only way you restore the constitutional order in this country is to get this redistricting done. And you've seen what the Democrats are prepared to do to stop it. They're prepared to dissolve essentially the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Virginia to reverse what happened last week. They're prepared to pack the Supreme Court of the United States. There is no law on the books, no constitutional order, nothing on the books at all that they won't tear down to get their way to get control. Why? Because they believe that stops the Trump movement. It stops the Trump revolution. And they impeach Trump and subpoena and then indict, you know, two thirds of the Cabinet. So that's why this is such an urgent fight as a predicate. This is why last summer when Abbott let the Texas Senate, Texas go the legislature, Harrison and all these grassroots leader Brian Harrison got on the war room and went totally berserk. And the next thing you know, we got a special session called and we got it done. It took a while and it took every day hammering, but it got done. These other seats, we have to do the same thing. You're right. If we lose the House by one seat, we will look back to April and May of 2026 as what could we have done on a maximalist strategy to get every seat that's out there, Man.
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Political Strategist
I agree. I want to be perfectly clear. I want as many seats as Republicans are able to drag out of the dead, lifeless hands of the Democrat Party. And right now there are six on the board that it would be unconscionable for us to not go and get. Those six are two in Louisiana, which some people are saying only go for one. Do not do that, go for two. There are two in Alabama. The Alabama legislature did pass two separate bills to be able to deal with that. It has to actually do with a ruling that we're expecting today. And the ruling could come out of the Alabama courts that say you just have to revert back to a pass map, which means they would just automatically go back to a with. It would allow us to have one seat, not two. Or there's another way. And. And it's a little bit complicated there. So again, that one is really up more to the courts. But I hope, I hope we're able to get two. Then you have a seat in Mississippi and a seat in South Carolina that is six. We need to fight everything in our power for to get those six seats. They are there for the grabs and we need to go and get them. Yes. So I want to go get every single one of those seats. But also, you have to remember the Democrats are facing an existential crisis right now. Why are they fighting this hard right now? Because they know this is their last stand. What is going to happen with this new census is they will never be able to win another presidential campaign. 2028, maybe they could pull a off 2032, they are done. Once the 2030 census comes out, they are going to absolutely collapse in seats in California, in New York, in Chicago, their electoral map. They will have to win Texas or Florida in order to win the presidential campaign. They're never gonna be able to do that. That is why they are willing to go to extreme lengths right now and we should be willing to go to extreme lengths to keep them from doing it. The map in the country has changed. The Democrats will have no power ever again. They know that. And that is why they are trying to rig and change the rules while they still can. Which means if they are somehow able to win the presidency in 2028, pick up the house right now in 2026, then, then I'm telling you, that is when they nuke the filibuster and they will go for all these things which are making D.C. and Puerto Rico fellow patriots.
- [43:50]
Stephen K. Bannon
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Civil Rights Commentator
A new generation of Americans have to show up, stand up, speak up, fight, get into good trouble to usher in an era of progress. We went from the progress of emancipation to the backlash of Jim Crow, the progress of the civil rights movement to the backlash of mass incarceration, the progress of electing Barack Obama to the backlash that has resulted in the elevation of Donald Trump, Trump, MAGA extremism and this behavior that we're seeing coming out of the Supreme Court of the United States to throw the American south back into the Jim Crow era. So it's going to take an all hands on deck effort. Another part of this, though, that we have to realize is actually humiliation. This is not only about the political tactics of moving around districts and getting people elected. I think the uniformity that you see Southern Republicans moving and redistricting and redistricting quickly is about what they perceive as payback and an unfair stacking of the debt from their reading of the Civil Rights Act. And so this is about overturning two generations broad consensus in America. We have to remember that the reauthorization of the Voting Rights act In the early 2000s passed with a massive bipartisan, bipartisan majority. It was proposed by George Bush at the time. Not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. But there are people that have been resentful since 1965. And there that resentment is paying, is paying off right now in terms of what they're doing. This isn't only about the tactics and the filing deadlines and the seat margins.
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Political Strategist
But, but I get your point, but it's about winning it. So. So I mean, I get the, you know, I get the humanitarian part of it and I get it. And I agree.
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Civil Rights Commentator
I don't think it's humanitarian. I actually think that it's.
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Political Strategist
But it's about winning it.
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Civil Rights Commentator
I think it's.
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Political Strategist
If you want to.
- [47:08]
Civil Rights Commentator
I think this is raw racial politics. I don't actually think that this is about humanitarian anything. I think this is about raw racial politics in this country and in the south in particular, then use the law
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Political Strategist
to win it back.
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Civil Rights Commentator
The law was saying, well, the law was there, and we had a majority Supreme Court which, which said that the purpose of the law to address racial discrimination was actually racially discriminated, basically about essentially surrendering America's attempt to deal with the worst of its racial past. Right. Again, if it was about only trading off in seats and like specific gerrymandering, that may be one thing, but it is the result of the gutting of the Voting Rights act, which was designed to right the wrongs of 100 years of discrimination after the Civil War. And we've just given up on that, in part led by a long term crusade by the Chief justice of the United States. And so this isn't only about political chessboarding. This is much more about the country's character and the way in which it has surrendered large parts of what it had said that it had addressed.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So, Caroline Wren, you see right there the fight we've got, and this is why it's so important. These six seats are the difference between victory and victory and potential defeat in November. And the Democrats are absolutely maniacally focused on this. So once again, what is your call to arms to the grassroots movement? What we have to do here in the next 72 hours,
- [48:37]
Political Strategist
the next 72 hours we have to focus on South Carolina. We have to respectfully, if you live in South Carolina, you have to contact your state House members or your state senator and tell them that you want them to redistrict and you want them to do it now. That seat could be the critical seat that keeps us in the majority or in the minority. And even remember right now how scary it is to only have a one or two seat majority anyway. Let's say even we're able to gain it. But one person dies, one person misses a flight. I mean it is very difficult. We need every single seat that we can get. South Carolina needs to have the backbone to get this done. And you, the grassroots have got to take this into your hands and call your representatives and tell them please pass this map. The next 42 hours are absolutely critical there.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Caroline, where do people your your Twitter feed. Alex Degrasse and Sean Spicer are kind of bomber command for this. Where do they go to keep up with you today on all these different fronts? We're fighting on, on, on the redistricting wars.
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Political Strategist
Ma', am, it is at Caroline ran on X True social engagement.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Fantastic job, Caroline. Thank you. Appreciate you. Scott Pressler, you are moving now from this. You're still fighting the reducing wars non stop, but you're going to shift your flag down to Texas. Why are you doing that, sir?
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Scott Pressler
Thank you. Today is day 131 that we have been asking Senate Majority Leader Th to pass the Save America act, which is the most important piece of legislation the American people want to proof of citizenship. Photo voter id. In Minnesota, a registered voter can vouch for up to eight persons without an id. They don't need to show any proof of citizenship or residency. And we know that Al Franken was elected by 312 votes in 2008. We know that there are 34,000 dead voters on the voter rolls in North Carolina. This is an issue. This is what the American people want. And so because Senate Majority Leader Thune is not giving us what we want, we are going to peacefully take away what he has. This Saturday, May 16, I'm asking the voters of Louisiana, if you're a registered Republican, you come out and vote against Bill Cassidy. Now President Trump has endorsed Congresswoman Julia Letlow and May 16th is an opportunity for us to show the Senate, as we did in Indiana, if you don't give us what we want, we are going to take away your seats. And so I will also be going to Texas. May 18th through May 22nd is early voting. I have endorsed Attorney General Ken Paxton and I'm doing everything with my ability to make sure that we are defeating John Thune's ally, John Cornyn, and ultimately repealing and replacing him on May 26th. So War Room Posse the two dates that I need you to put into your calendars right now. Saturday, May 16th. That's a Saturday, not a Tuesday. Saturday, May 16th, we defeat Bill Cassidy. Tuesday, May 26th, we defeat John Cornyn. And we send a message to the Senate that no seat is safe unless you give us what we want.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Scott, we got about 45 seconds. You've got a book coming out in early June, the Persistence. What's it about and where do people go to pre order it right now? Now.
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Scott Pressler
Thank you. Well, this is a part of the War Room books. It's the Persistence. I am now an author and I wrote a book about seizing the voter registration movement away from the Democrats, cleaning up our cities like Baltimore, and ultimately how our work together as a family elected Donald J. Trump. It's on pre order. And when I go across the country, I'm going to turn every book event into a, a voter registration event to make sure that we are force multiplying, which I know is something you focus on every single day.
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Stephen K. Bannon
God bless you, Scott Pressler. We will hopefully get you on every couple of days to talk about the 16th of May, this Saturday and then the 26th of May for, for Ken Paxton. Sir, thank you so much. Go to Amazon right now. Pre order Scott Presser's upcoming book, the Persistence. For more room, press. Back in a moment. Okay, can we talk about what's really happening right now? New data shows financial stress is at an all time high. Millions of Americans are at a breaking point. Debt maxed out, no extra money, no room to breathe. And this isn't just lower income households anymore. Middle class families are hitting their limits too. This isn't about reckless spending. Everyday people are running out of options. So if debt has been weighing on you, you're not alone. And when it comes to debt, waiting usually makes it worse. Interest piles up. Minimum payments keep you stuck. You don't need another loan and you don't need bankruptcy. You need a strategy. That's why I like done with debt. They've built a smart personalized plan around you. Their experience and knowing what it takes to get you the biggest reductions possible. Whether you owe $10,000 or much more. Done with debt has one clear goal. Lower what you owe so you keep more of your paycheck every month. It's very simple. Let's repeat that. Lower what you owe so you can keep more of your paycheck every month. Start with a free consultation. It just takes minutes. Minutes. Share your situation, your tale of woe, and find out what's possible. You do not have to stay stuck. Go to donewithdebt.com that's donewithdebt.com and do it today.