Episode 5388: Ebola Outbreak Heading Into Midterms; Indictment Of Raul Castro

Summary

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Bannon's War Room — Episode 5388 (May 20, 2026)

"Ebola Outbreak Heading Into Midterms; Indictment Of Raul Castro"

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Main Theme & Overview

This episode, co-hosted by Natalie Winters in Stephen K. Bannon’s absence, spotlights breaking crises and geopolitical shifts as the 2026 U.S. midterm elections approach. The episode dives deep into three main topics:

1. The resurgence of Ebola in Africa and subsequent U.S. travel bans, set against the backdrop of global pandemic preparedness politics and WHO policy.
2. The U.S. unsealed indictment of Raul Castro for a decades-old attack, and the broader strategic confrontation with Communist influences in the Western Hemisphere.
3. Emerging threats and oversight issues surrounding advanced AI models, including prospective U.S. executive action.

Contributors include Dr. Bradley Thayer (national security/CCP expert) and Joe Allen (War Room's AI and transhumanism correspondent), plus cameo soundbites from WHO officials and Treasury Secretary Scott Besant.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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Ebola Outbreak & Pandemic Politics

[00:00–15:00]

Context and WHO Response

• WHO official outlines standard containment measures—contact tracing, point-of-exit screening, non-travel for contacts—with a veiled critique of U.S. travel bans on Uganda, DRC, and South Sudan.
  • “Countries have sovereign. They do their own risk assessment but they do have to provide... the justification and the rationale behind their mandates.” —WHO Official [00:28]
• Dr. Bradley Thayer emphasizes the science of Ebola transmission, noting WHO’s stance against travel bans:
  • "Ebola... requires direct contact with blood and body fluids. ... Travel restrictions are not supported under the IHR recommendations.” —Dr. Thayer [02:29]

Natalie Winters’ Analysis & Skepticism

• Winters compares current simulation exercises and the actual outbreak to Event 201 (COVID-19 simulation in 2019), suggesting uncanny, possibly calculated, similarities:
  • Cites a February 2026 WHO simulation on a hypothetical Ebola outbreak in Uganda with funding/coordination by Gates, Rockefeller, Chan Zuckerberg, and others—closely mirroring the real outbreak scenario.
  • “They have been wargaming and planning to a scary level of detail… what the responses are, [but] they never talk about those in the press conferences.” —Natalie Winters [04:48]
• Criticizes lack of transparency and calls out globalist networks for using public health as a tool for control:
  • “All they really want to say in that clip is that President Trump, America is wrong to be instituting travel bans or travel restrictions. ... This always boils down not to actual public health... but just dealing with control.” —Natalie Winters [06:45]

WHO Pandemic Treaty & ‘Pathogen Sharing’

• Focus on WHO’s “Pathogen Access and Benefit Sharing” annex—potentially allowing signatories rapid access to pathogens and virus strains for research, with alleged dual-use or malevolent misuse concerns.
  • “Countries… will get access to diseases, viruses, strains... to formulate vaccines, medicine, technologies. ... I would posit, reverse engineer or start pandemics to gain a function research.” —Winters [09:45]
• Argues that the timing of the Ebola crisis and pandemic treaty negotiations is suspect:
  • “What better way to get the United States back in... than playing up viruses like this new Ebola outbreak to try to garner and solicit support.” —Winters [10:47]

Notable Quote

• “There is no rest for the wicked. And I guess that applies to the World Health Organization too.” —Winters [13:54]

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Raul Castro Indictment & Geopolitical Strategy

[16:31–29:46]

Indictment Overview

• Dr. Thayer details the newly unsealed U.S. indictment of Raul Castro for the 1996 murders of Americans shot down by Cuban MiGs:
  • “Justice is coming for Raul Castro, finally. ... This indictment is a step forward, a very positive step... for hemispheric defense and ejecting the Chinese Communists from the Western Hemisphere.” —Dr. Thayer [17:39]

Cuba’s Strategic Importance

• Explains Cuba’s historic and ongoing role as a base for anti-U.S. actions, Soviet and now Chinese intelligence gathering, and proxy warfare in the Americas.
  • “Cuba really is the mother lode... as important as Venezuela was… Cuba has been the railhead for anti-American activities since 1959.” —Thayer [18:25]
• Emphasizes Trump administration’s focus on hemispheric defense and rebalancing U.S. attention to counter growing CCP influence.

Broader Anti-Communist Strategy

• Discussion of intervention, containment, and foreign policy calculus for Cuba, Taiwan, and other CCP proxies.
  • “Cuba is a threat under communism… facilitating the Chinese Communist bases. So it is a threat. Taiwan… is the computer chip superpower.” —Thayer [25:24]
• Thayer and Winters explore the moral, strategic, and economic stakes behind supporting Taiwan as another flashpoint in the global contest with China.

Notable Moments

• “We can’t indict Xi Jinping. Right? Although we should. But indicting Raul Castro is a very positive step forward in political warfare against Communism.” —Dr. Thayer [33:38]
• Winters (sarcastically): “I like the idea of a Xi indictment. Maybe we could rewrite the ‘Take down the CCP’ song.” [34:57]

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AI Risks, Regulation, and Executive Order

[35:45–48:02]

Federal Concerns Over AI

• Soundbite from Treasury Secretary Scott Besant on looming risks of AI hacking after an Anthropic model breach.
  • “What we had in the past month was a step change in the power of one large language model... Imagine if China or some non-state actor were ahead of us.” —Secretary Besant [36:02]

Joe Allen’s Breakdown

• Allen explains the impending executive order:
  • Part 1: Cybersecurity mandate to safeguard government, military, and critical civilian infrastructure (including banks, utilities, hospitals) against AI-enabled threats.
  • Part 2: AI evaluation mechanisms overseen by the NSA and NIST, for pre-deployment testing of advanced models against established threat benchmarks.
  • “It’s only when very wealthy men have their own assets threatened that they become interested in dangers.” —Joe Allen [39:47]
  • Raises concerns about transparency and accountability with NSA oversight, but notes it's a start.
  • Highlights risks: hacking, deepfakes, models coaching suicide or violence, bioweapons.

Community Action & Policy

• Debate over whether the order goes far enough and if requirements should be voluntary or mandatory for tech companies.
  • "To the extent that anything can be moved... these testing requirements would be voluntary. This is something Steve has rejected from the beginning." —Allen [45:50]
  • Advocates mandatory screening for any model deployed with federal contracts.
  • Calls for more focus on “broader issues,” e.g. bioweapon coaching, deepfake abuse.

Notable Quote

• “The end of the world won’t come soon enough, but... these are real problems. ... If this is a step toward confronting these issues, then... at least we know they've got their top men on it.” —Joe Allen [47:26]
• Plugs his Substack for “drilling these things into your head—literally.” [48:16]

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Brief: Taiwan, Anti-CCP Rhetoric, and U.S. Decline Debunked

[29:52–33:32]

• Winters fiercely refutes “Thucydides trap” inevitability and CCP narratives of U.S. decline, calls out CCP influence ops in U.S. politics and media.
  • “There’s nothing inevitable about America’s decline. ... Taiwan is proof, not just creating a semiconductor industry out of thin air, but surviving against everything the CCP throws at it.” —Winters [31:05]
  • Highlights Taiwan’s grassroots defense as analogous to MAGA movement.
  • Warns U.S. politicians against CCP funding: “Maybe don’t take the money because they’re trying to compromise you. But what do I know?” —Winters [32:25]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pandemic Simulations:

  • “There’s a weird what seems to be symmetry between what these pandemic simulations are and the viruses that start to happen; I think are very curious.” —Natalie Winters [07:42]

• On Anti-Communist Effort:

  • “It'd be nice to see Raul Castro on the dock with Xi Jinping. Right? That would be a happy day.” —Dr. Bradley Thayer [35:12]

• On AI and Safety:

  • “Once they actually start taking seriously... models that can coach children into suicide, or models that can create malicious deep fakes... we’ll be at least in a better spot than we are right now, because right now it is basically the Wild West.” —Joe Allen [42:38]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Ebola Outbreak & WHO Policy: [00:00–15:00]
• Raul Castro Indictment & Cuba Policy: [16:31–29:46]
• Debunking the U.S. Decline Thesis / Taiwan: [29:52–33:32]
• AI Threats & Federal Oversight: [35:45–48:02]
• Actionable Audience Steps on AI Policy: [45:19–48:02]

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Tone & Style

The episode features a mixture of somber warnings, red-meat skepticism, and sarcastic asides ("maybe he's Mr. Chan"—Winters, [12:00]). The hosts and guests deploy bracing, populist language—painting the WHO, CCP, and globalist actors as “controlling elites” and “enemies,” while lauding the show’s audience as being smarter and ahead of the curve.

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Conclusion

This densely packed War Room episode ties disease outbreaks, international justice, and technology policy into a single narrative: the need for vigilance against globalism, Communist expansion, and technological overreach ahead of consequential U.S. elections. Listeners are urged to “focus on the signal, not the noise”—prepared, skeptical, and ready to “take down the CCP.”

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For more analysis from Joe Allen:

• JoeBot Substack
• Joe Allen on X: @JOEBOTxyz

For Cuba/China strategy and commentary:

• Dr. Bradley Thayer on X: @BradleyThayer

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Transcript

[World Health Organization Official]

If you could comment on the decision

[Natalie Winters]

by the US to impose a travel

[World Health Organization Official]

ban on Uganda, DRC and South Sudan

[Natalie Winters]

and whether you have any advice or recommendations for countries with more direct links to travel links to those countries on whether that would be an appropriate public health measure to take. Thank you.

[World Health Organization Official]

Thank you very.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Dr. Mahamoud, would you like to start?

[World Health Organization Official]

Thanks for that question. Well, WHO recommendation for a long time is evidence and science based and solidarity for some time where we know what works. What works is contact tracing, monitoring those contract isolation and immediate referral. Give you an example like Uganda has done an incredible amount of work interest in all the contacts and putting them in institutional home quarantine and monitoring them. So we encourage all contacts and our recommendation, we'll hear from the emergency committee what the recommendations are. All contacts, all cases should not travel. So we would like to all countries and appreciate what they have done so far. That's the first step of defense in terms of the global health security. Second element countries are doing point of exit screening. Both Uganda DRC are already doing that. So in support of the activity done by Uganda and DRC and going in this humanitarian conflict area, supporting them is the best medicine for the entire world. In support of solidarity of drc. It's a complex as DG said, hundreds of thousands displaced population insecurity, travel restrictions. Countries have sovereign. They do their own risk assessment but they do have to provide to us the justification and the rationale behind their mandates. And we are seeing more and more countries. But currently our top priority is to work closely with DRC in ensuring all the contacts are traced and all the patients suspected are put in the clinical pathway and safe environment and with the best care provided. Thank you very much. Looking if anyone else would like to add something. If not, we will move to one more question from the room.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Can I add something? I think it's important to remember and recognize how Ebola is transmitted. It requires direct contact of with blood and body fluids of an infected person. So it's not casual contact, it's not airborne. I think we need to be aware of that. And this relates to travel restrictions which are not supported under the IHR recommendations. And we've heard about contact tracing and quarantine of those.

[Mike Lindell]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Mike Lindell]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Joe Allen]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K.

[Natalie Winters]

Ban, Here in the War room. It's Wednesday, May 20th, in the year of our Lord 2026. It's Natalie Winters hosting here in War Room. Fill in for Stephen K. Bannon, but as always, don't go anywhere. We have a packed show. We're going to talk all things China, Cuba. Get into the latest with AI Joel and Dr. Bradley Thayer are going to be our guests. But before we get to all of that, I know I'm probably triggering you guys playing some clips from the World Health Organization. I don't know about you guys. Anytime I see footage from the meetings that go down there, wherever they may be convening, I'm always inclined to think of the show the Office, except instead of being fools, the people are a little more evil, have much more sinister plans for humanity. And the latest thing that I want to drill into is this Ebola crisis. I don't think it's raised to a pandemic level, but it's a disease of concern, or whatever the euphemistic, politically correct term that the WHO uses to describe these emerging diseases nowadays. But I want to hone in on this for a reason, and particularly why the warm audience is always ahead of the curve. I'm sure you guys are Familiar with event 201, the Johns Hopkins collabing with Gates foundation and all those lovely types to convene essentially a simulation of COVID 19 just weeks before it happened. We're seeing a similar situation here. It's actually an exclusive story that I broke on Forum not too long ago, but just a few months ago, the World Health Organization in cahoots with some organizations tied to the Gates foundation, the Rockefeller foundation, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, all the usual cast of characters were actually conducting, they called them strategy games. That's another WHO euphemism. But these pandemic simulations, particularly with Ebola, and to make matters even worse, some would say more prophetic and more spot on, I would say maybe more calculated. It actually took place, the hypothetical outbreak in Uganda, which is where we've seen the initial outbreak obviously happen in the Congo, but now spill over into Uganda like I said the simulation took place on February 23rd. We're now just a few months past that, but I want to drill down a bit. Steve wanted me to get into this. So we're going to do this in the A block and then we'll proceed to the regular show coming into B block. But what they were doing was called the 717 strategy. And Denver, if you want to put the substack article up on screen, you can also flash some of the pictures showing what people were doing. It's a doctrine where they are training health officials, particularly in Africa, these third world countries. A similar mentality to that of how they dealt with COVID 19 the idea of why we should be collaborating with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but to detect an outbreak within seven days, notify the authorities within one and then mount a response within seven more of these days, to quote the who, the scenario focused on an outbreak of Sudan Ebola virus disease in Uganda, prompting players to grapple with real world challenges such as delayed case recognition, reporting breakdowns and operational constraints. And here's the point why all of this is so absurd and of course why President Trump was right to pull out of the World Health Organization. But a, they're never forthright about these strategies, pandemic simulations, whatever terminology they want to use whenever these viruses seem to somehow magically materialize overnight that they have been war gaming and planning to a scary level of detail what the responses are, they never talk about those in the press conferences. They're never forthright with them. The original link on the WHO website that I had reported on was actually taken down detailing this Ebola simulation. It was restored a few weeks after, but under a different link. So something very weird going on there. And the greatest, I think frustration in all of this and why we know this always boils down not to actual public health prevention matters relating to the safety of the broader populace, but just dealing with control is because all they do and all they really want to say in that clip is that President Trump America is wrong to be instituting travel bans or travel restrictions. They think that contact tracing is an adequate response to the potential spread of of the Ebola virus. Now I'm not sitting here fear mongering or saying that we're going to face a new Ebola pandemic, but this continued obfuscation and weird what seems to be symmetry between what these pandemic simulations are and the viruses that start to happen I think are very curious. I also would caution people, you know, warm is always ahead of the curve. We focus on the signal, not the noise here is that this new resurgence of Ebola that you see the WHO holding these emergency press conferences about, obviously you're seeing it a lot in the media. This is happening as we're barreling towards really, really pivotal negotiations to the pandemic treaty that the WHO has obviously been working on for a long time, some of which has been ratified. But there's a specific annex, the Pathogen Access and Benefit Sharing, which is arguably the most lethal and potentially deadly, which is the idea that the countries that sign on to this pandemic treaty will get access to diseases, viruses, strains of anything with pandemic potential and that they can then use that to formulate vaccines, medicine technologies, responses. I would posit, reverse engineer or start. Pandemics do gain a function, research. And this is something that the WHO has met a lot of conflict and coming to an agreement on. Of course, the broader pandemic treaty too. Of course, the United States pulling out of the who. What better way to get the United States back in or at least shelling out some cash than pretending like there are all these not pretending, but playing up or ginning up viruses like this new Ebola outbreak to try to garner and solicit support. And there's going to be an upcoming meeting in early July where they're set to at least settle some of that pathogen sharing stuff. But just to hone in for a second on who. Exactly. This group that was conducting this pandemic simulation was, and this isn't some one off thing. The 717 strategy is essentially part of the WHO's pandemic response network and activities, their emergency response moving forward. But this is a group, it's part of a broader umbrella network called Resolve to Save Lives, which was started by, you guessed it, Obama's pick to run the CDC, the CDC director for about a decade. In 2023 the Gates foundation gave them a million dollars. The year later they gave them over $3 million to quote, support and strengthen national public health agenc to routine emergency outbreak and pandemic diseases by utilizing the 7.1.7 framework and testing its application with monitoring systems. That is the exact type of activity that the WHO was just doing with the same virus that now is playing out with an uncanny similarity to the simulation that they were doing. This group is also funded by the CDC foundation, the Wellcome Trust, which is linked to FAUCI and niaid, the Rockefeller Foundation, Bloomberg Philanthropies and, and you guessed it, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, WHO actually very publicly backed the launch of this group in 2017. And if you can believe it, which I'm sure this audience can, Priscilla Chan, Mr. Mrs. Zuckerberg or Mrs. Chan, maybe he's Mr. Chan actually specifically invoked that one of the reasons they were funding this group was because of the Ebola epidemic being an example back in 2014 of what happens when public health infrastructure and all these euphemistic jargony terms that those people love to use as a Trojan horse to try to control more and more of your life. That was why they were funding it. And I think when we take a step back and Steve and I were talking about this last weekend, we have learned nothing. Obviously, when I say we, I don't mean this audience, but the broader elite scientific class. I think you see it on full display with the mindset that now seems to plaguing a lot of our elites, new and old, when they're dealing with the Chinese Communist Party. The recent meeting that you had in Beijing with Xi Jinping, there is no merit to collaboration with certainly with communist countries, but certainly with these almost weird pseudo communists, new quasi communist globalist organizations like the WHO that seem to fuse this idea of helping people in public health and trying to make, make vaccines and therapeutics and pills, when in reality they're using it as sort of an obfuscation or as a diversionary tactic when what we know they're really doing is trying to better hone in, make these diseases more lethal, more virulent. It's like what we saw with COVID 19 and gain of function. Of course, it shouldn't be lost on anyone. The timing of the CIA whistleblower testifying before the Senate on the true origins of COVID the massive cover up that we've seen go on to still to this day obfuscate where that virus really came from, when we know, even from open source intelligence that this audience has seen for years. We know it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and it was a bioweapon developed by the Chinese Communist Party. But let this just be a reminder, though President Trump may have withdrawn from the World Health Organization, it does not mean that any of these groups have taken a pause, have taken a moment. If anything, they have escalated. Just like we've seen the Democrats here in this country escalate and raise their attacks on the president, melting down over everything, gathering their shock troops, protesting in the streets, paying them, compensating them. You know, there is no rest for the wicked. And I guess that applies to the World Health Organization too. We'll come back. We're going to talk all things Cuba, Taiwan, AI. But in the meantime, you got to make sure you're checking out birchgold.com bannon or texting Bannon to 989898. You know they always have special deals going on. You got to give Philip, Patrick and the team a call. Especially in times like this. Whether it's Ebola, the Hantavirus, who knows. Interest rates not dropping. The vertical team, you can always give them a call. Text Bandon to 989-898. Dr. Thayer, after this short break, more warm room. Do not go anywhere. What about Lake and Riley? Is Charlie too? Hard to say. What about when you took your shot at the one you called K? Where?

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[Joe Allen]

War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Natalie Winters]

Do you have any plans to call President Lai of Taiwan before you make a decision on the weapons package?

[Mike Lindell]

Well, I'll speak to him.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

I speak to everybody. We have that situation very well in hand.

[Mike Lindell]

We had a great meeting with with President Xi.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

It was amazing, actually.

[Mike Lindell]

It was amazing. Many of you were there.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

We'll work on that. The Taiwan problem.

[Natalie Winters]

You're back in the war room. We're going to get to all things Taiwan, all things ccp. Still a lot of fallout from that just historic summit we saw. But I was going to start with that, but I was talking to Dr. Thayer in the break before we started the show, and he was just so amped up about the newly unsealed indictment against Rol Castro and some other bad hombres, as I'm sure President Trump would call them. So I want to let you start with that. I know it's big, big news for us Communist haters here in the United States. So why don't you walk us through what exactly these indictments are, what they're about, and the broader implication for what is unfolding with Cuba. Obviously, the CIA had a very interesting tweet posting some pictures from there. What is going on down there?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Hi, Natalie, great to join you again. So Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche unsealed indictments against Raul Castro. Raul Castro is a thug and one of the dictators that have been ruling Cuba since Fidel Castro. Raul Castro's brother, of course, more famous brother, came to power in 1959 and then quickly became a Soviet ally. Very dangerous, really. Locus of Soviet power and then later Chinese communist power influence in the Western Hemisphere. So what Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche did is indict Raul Castro for the murders of three Americans. Four individuals were killed in two Cessna aircraft in 1996 when they were shot down in international airspace by Cuban Mig 29s. And those individuals were in support of an organization called Brothers to the Rescue, which were trying to help Cubans fleeing across the Florida Strait into the United States. So it was an absolutely outrageous act by the Cuban government. At the time, Raul Castro was the dominant figure in the Cuban government. So justice is coming for Raul Castro finally. The indictment, of course, is going to ask the Cuban government to turn Raul Castro over. We'll see whether that happens or whether there's some type of Maduro operation against him. It's important, though, to take a step back and think also about why Cuba was so important, why Cuba is a critical issue. The Trump administration has announced its strategy of hemispheric defense, and that is the US Is going to use all the tools at its disposal to eject Communist China from the Western Hemisphere. And Cuba really is the mother lode of that, because as important as Venezuela was Maduro in Venezuela, Cuba has been the railhead for anti American activities again since 1959. We can't forget the Cuban Missile Crisis where Fidel Castro invited the Soviets to deploy medium range and intermediate range ballistic missiles, leading to one of the major crises of the Cold War. The Cubans sent forces to Africa, to Angola, Mozambique and elsewhere during the Cold War to fight against US Allies and hosted Soviet bases in Cuba. Once the Cold War fell, once the Soviets died in 1991, the Communist Chinese took over those intelligence bases and they've been using them. So the key element here is for hemispheric defense. Getting rid of the Communist government of Cuba is absolutely essential. And this indictment is a step forward, a very positive step forward, not only for justice for the three Americans who were killed in that attack in 1996, but also for hemispheric defense and ejecting the Chinese Communists from the Western Hemisphere.

[Natalie Winters]

Dr. Thayer, taking a step back, and I guess it sort of links to the Taiwan stuff, but where do you sort of draw the line? I know our audience has a wide array of opinions on, you know, non interventionism, foreign intervention, interventionism, adventurism, you know, containment, not dealing with these countries, you know, take your pick. But with what we're doing in Cuba is, is it zero sum, is it a means to an end? And that end is Cuba, and it's just about dealing with the spread of communism there and the quality of life for the people living there? Or is this something that you think is about a broader plan and goal to eradicate, whether it's the Chinese Communist Party and their string of allies, countries that they're interwoven with, or what do you think is really animating the Trump administration's newfound and sort of going back a while pretext to kind of make the case that United States involvement to some extent kinetic otherwise is justified in Cuba?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Yes. Well, the Trump administration has emphasized rebalancing, right, to make the Western Hemisphere significant again when it has been neglected really, in US national security for a considerable amount of time. And that allowed the Soviets, of course, to expand their influence, Nicaragua, Grenada, elsewhere, of course, El Salvador during the Cold War, and then the Chinese Communists sense. So the emphasis of the Trump administration has been really a rebalancing, again, calling attention to the Western Hemisphere and its importance and to stress the point, Cuba is that the railhead really, of anti American sentiment in the Western Hemisphere and anti American action and allowing that island, of course, to be used by the Chinese Communists again, that island so close to the United States, it's such an important intelligence gathering facility for the Chinese Communists. So it's a very important step forward, I don't think, of course, the administration, every administration has of course, talked about the dangers of Cuba going back really to Eisenhower, the Eisenhower administration and Kennedy administration, of course, which sponsored the Bay of Pigs, the effort by Cuban exiles in April of 1961, to overthrow the Castro regime. Sadly, that failed at that time. But this is a real chance to move ahead with the elimination of a national security threat and the opportunity, of course, to bring about really dramatic change in Cuba. So I think we need to think of it really as being in our next store. Right. It's definitely our neighborhood, 90 miles away from Key west, famously, if you've ever been there and seen the monument, the marker there in Key West. So it's a very different situation than I think we see elsewhere in the world, for example, Afghanistan or Iraq or elsewhere,

[Natalie Winters]

if you were advising the Trump administration, right. On all of these sort of direct but indirect ways to go after the Chinese Communist Party, I think, particularly their expansion into proxies, whether they're proximal to the United States or proximal to China, so they're more reliant on them for fuel or whatnot. Do you think that going after some of these countries, I think Iran is probably the best example of Venezuela through kinetic means, certainly a unique derivation of kinetic, like what we saw go down in Venezuela. But do you think that that is the most effective way? And how do you then square that? I'm aware this is a long question, but with the kind of softer rhetoric and softening almost on Taiwan, because arguably, I think you would probably agree with me that is that not the most important kind of proxy for the Chinese Communist Party's global ambitions and kind of a proxy for their standing in the world vis a vis the United States. How do you sort of make sense of all of that?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Well, I would say both are important. Cuba is significant and Taiwan is absolutely significant for the reasons we've stressed many times on the show. But Cuba is a threat under communism. They've had a very aggressive intelligence collection operations in the United States, had some very important spies in and very damaging spies in the United States, as well as facilitating the Chinese Communist bases. So it is a threat. Taiwan, of course, and maintaining the situation, the current situation with Taiwan is essential because Taiwan is first economically so important. It's the computer chip superpower, of course. And if that facilities, if the facilities were destroyed, then there would be profound effects for all Americans and the world economy. Secondly, of course, it's the cork in the bottle. It occupies critical geostrategic real estate and the first island chain between Japan really, and the Philippines. And then it also significant because of, in the realm of political warfare, Taiwan shows us what China might have been if the Communists hadn't come to power. So it's absolutely significant and we'll see what the Trump administration does with the $14 billion aid, military aid package to Taiwan. I would hope that that would move forward because maintaining the status quo in Taiwan is absolutely essential given the tremendous pressure that the Taiwanese government is under and the Taiwanese people are under from Communist China. Natalie, you've been there, of course, and you've had important interviews with Taiwanese officials. It really is critical for demonstrating what China could have been and what China may be at some point again, if the Chinese communist government falls at some point in time.

[Natalie Winters]

Yeah, the Taiwanese people, Taiwan is, is an awesome country. I call it a country. And you're so right from all those dimensions. I want to hold you through the break. I want to want to drill down on that. Dr. Thayer. Then we'll get into AI. But real quick, a message from Birchgold. If you've been thinking about it for years but still have never moved some of your savings into physical gold, Birch Gold is who I trust to help you. Through May 29th, they're giving a first time gold buyers rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. For details and a free information kit on diversifying into gold, text Bannon to the number 989898. Bridge Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401K into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold tax ban into the number 989898 to see if you qualify for a first time gold buyer rebate of up to $10,000 ban into 989898 today.

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[Joe Allen]

War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Natalie Winters]

We're back in the War room where I just want to reiterate something. We know Xi Jinping are probably there. What is it? Their. Their Wu Mao army. They probably watch a lot of War Room. I hope we've radicalized some of them. But there's nothing about the Thucydides trap that is accurate. Not only because the Harvard pseudo intellectual academic that wrote it is a puppet for the Chinese Communist Party. He has visited China God knows how many times stealthily met with Xi Jinping when he was over there in 2024. That should tell you all you need to know about this guy. Who spends more time networking with Chinese Communist Party influence group fronts than probably teaching at Harvard. But maybe that's the point of being a teacher at Harvard. He also used to be the dean at the Harvard Kennedy School. Maybe that explains why so many of our next generation of leaders are so in bed and compromised by the Chinese Communist Party. Literally. I would say I'm looking at Eric Swallow, but I think he's had a rough run these last few weeks, so we'll let him take a break on that one. But it is not true. It's not political writing or political theory. It is, I mean could only be described as psychological warfare. There's nothing inevitable about America's decline. It doesn't have to be. They treat it like it's the third law of physics or the gravitational pull of the moon or the earth where it's just true that American elites are going to sell out to China. America doesn't have to be on the decline if our elites actually don't let us outsource our jobs or fall for the Chinese Communist Party's lies about outsourcing jobs and manufacturing and doing joint ventures or partnering with them on a myriad of things including but not limited to buying farmland. And I would also make the point. I know Xi Jinping thinks that MAGA has so much in common with Xi ism and the Chinese Communist Party. Not quite. You have nothing in common with the MAGA movement. I think you'd missed diagnosed us for we are not the Democratic Party. You seem to have a little more in common with them since you've been busy compromising mayors in California and probably all the way up to the previous president. The last point I would make on that, if there's any country, I think that has proven that the Thucydides trap is wrong. You don't have to be a country in decline, and that has defied all odds. It's actually Taiwan. Not just creating a semiconductor industry out of virtually thin air, but of prevailing and just surviving every single day against, whether it's air incursions, boat incursions, incursions, psychological warfare, attacks from the Chinese Communist Party, everything that they try to do to the United States. Believe me, Taiwan is on the front lines. Election manipulation, intimidation, assassination attempts, straight up buying off the opposition party. I mean, the KMT is basically just a outgrowth of the CCP at this point. But much like the MAGA movement, the grassroots there, the dpp, they actually, I think, understand what it means to care about your country or civilization and your future and not just, you know, sell your country out to the highest bidder, which I would encourage American politicians, particularly Democrat mayors, if you get a check from someone who I know it's probably racist, but you know, it's Chinese, and their name can be linked back to a Chinese communist front organization, maybe don't take the money because they're trying to compromise you. But what do I know? Dr. Thayer, I know you know a lot about that. Before we let you go, your sort of concluding thoughts, where you left off talking about all things Taiwan, the fate of this arms package, and just in general, what you think the audience needs to be looking ahead for on all things Taiwan and China more broadly.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Well, we'll want to see, of course, what happens to that arms package, Natalie. And again, you and I both hope that it moves ahead, given the importance of Taiwan. And then also we want to keep in mind, too, that we've got to be able to focus, of course, on the Western Hemisphere as well. And Cuba is, again, so important. And that's why Attorney General Todd Blanche's. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche's indictments today against Raul Castro are so important. Right. We can't indict Xi Jinping. Right. Although we should. But indicting Raul Castro is a very positive step forward in political warfare against Communism. And again, it's important to recognize that it's one of the guys who has oppressed the Cuban people for so long, has been actively thwarting, fighting, and killing Americans, as the indictment shows. Well, Xi Jinping has as well. So there's a good logic and a parallel for indicting him at some point for his crimes against the Chinese. People, the actions that he's taken through the Communist Party and elsewhere. But some good news today with Raul Castro. That's a very positive step. And I'd expect that things move ahead on the Cuba front perhaps in the weeks and months to come.

[Natalie Winters]

I like the idea of a XI indictment. Maybe we could rewrite the Take down the CCP song. We'll have to update the verb. Dr. Thayer, as always, thank you so much for coming on. If you want to say something at it, but let the audience know where they can get the book. Stay up to date with everything you're working on.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Well, it'd be nice to see a Raul Caster on the dock with Xi Jinping. Right? That would be a happy day. But thank you, Natalie. Brad there at X and Bradley there at Truth and get her. Thanks very much.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you, sir. And I'm sure you probably could see or fake that image using AI though here in the war room, I don't think we. We agree or we support AI. Obviously Joe Allen has been on the the forefront of that. Was that a bad segue? I don't know. But let's play the cold and then let hear about our dystopian futures from the one and only Joe Allen.

[Mike Lindell]

Secretary. Before you go, final, final word on AI artificial intelligence, because I know you called a meeting. Some people said it was an emergency meeting to talk about the banks and AI after the a breach of anthropic. What can you tell us about this issue?

[Natalie Winters]

Is this a systemic issue? Should we be worried about AI hacking, hacking our bank accounts?

[Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besant]

You should, Maria. And the U.S. government has gotten, gotten involved. The companies, they are working with us. What we had in the past month was a step change in the power of one large language model. But we're going to see it from the other AI companies. And it's important, Maria, that the US stays ahead here. Imagine if China or some non state actor were ahead of us. So what we are determined to do is work with our AI companies to allow them to continue innovate. But our charge of the US government is maintaining safety. And there is a very important calculus here between innovation and safety and at the US government. We're going to make sure that things stay safe. Chair Powell and I called the bank executives into town. It was a little less dramatic than it seemed at the, the at the time because they were already in D.C. so we got them in in person rather than convening a call later in the, in the week. And the banks are working on their resiliency and the US Government is working side by side with everyone. And again, very, very important for the US to continue to dominate here, set the global standard, and maintain our lead.

[Natalie Winters]

All right, it's time to bring in our, I would say next guest, maybe our translator for what is AI speak, because it certainly goes over my head. Jo Allen, can you explain what the latest, the text of the eo, everything that's going on, where we kind of stand in the war room, fight against the overtaking of the, the AI overlord.

[Joe Allen]

Thank you very much, Natalie. This is all stemming from what you heard there, Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besant's concerns over financial infrastructure being vulnerable to AI models like Anthropic's Mythos. Audience will recall in early April, Anthropic announced that its AI model, Mythos, was capable of finding and exploiting vulnerabilities in software across the board. This sparked a lot of concern, and it is culminating in an executive order that will most likely be signed tomorrow, the next day, possibly next week. But the executive order is geared towards addressing these concerns, primarily the cybersecurity concern. The text that I've seen is broken into two parts. The first dealing with cybersecurity, and the second dealing with the mechanisms or the methods of testing these AI models to see if they're dangerous. So in the first section, the cybersecurity section, it's the order, assuming that this is accurate, what I've seen, the order is to secure the systems of the National Security Systems, Department of War, and also critical infrastructure, civilian infrastructure. So that would include hospitals, that would include banks, that would include utilities like electricity and water, and to ensure that any danger posed by any kind of hacker, but specifically a hacker that has the advantage of using an AI model that these systems are secure. The next element of that, and I think this is really important to emphasize, is securing financial

[Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besant]

please.

[Joe Allen]

To secure financial institutions. And I think that it's important to mention because it is really, I think that one of the prime motivations behind the EO and this push to have the US Government address the dangers of artificial intelligence. It's only when very wealthy men have their own assets threatened that they become interested in the dangers. And then the second part is really interesting to me and I think could be potentially it's a step in the right direction to something really, really, really important, and that is to evaluate these models. And this is going to be across different agencies. It's going to be ultimately centered on the National Security Agency, the nsa. So I'm not, not particularly happy about that because we have pushed for transparency, we've pushed for accountability. And there couldn't be any organization less transparent or unaccountable than the NSA and the wider intelligence community. But at the very least, you can, you can rest assured that somebody is on top of it. They have their top men on this. You know, on a very serious note, though, you do have a lot of different dangers that are posed by these systems. And so to the extent you do have people in the government alongside people within the companies, alongside independent organizations who are creating benchmarks and evaluating the models to see basically how smart are they. And another way of looking at it is how capable would any given AI model, whether it's anthropics, mythos, or the GPT 5.5 cyber from OpenAI, how capable would that make an amateur hacker to create malicious code? How capable would it make a professional hacker to create even better malicious code and scale it up to deploy it more widely? And again, I'm not particularly pleased with this, but you do have, I guess, some incentive to put the intelligence community in charge of this because ostensibly they are here to protect us from both foreign adversaries and also domestic terrorists. So it will also incorporate the center for AI Standards and Innovation, Casey, under nist. And I think this is also a good sign, I mean, that you do have a great team of guys over there. Very, very small, small, very poorly funded at the moment, but a good team of guys who are working to evaluate these models to see exactly what their capabilities are and what dangers could be posed. So, again, Natalie, I think we will see this EO again probably tomorrow or the next day, and it's a good start. Once they actually start taking seriously the governance and the oversight of other dangers, like, for instance, models that can coach children into suicide, or models that can create malicious deep fakes. And then, of course, the bioweapon angle, all of these things. Once all of these things are addressed, I think we'll be at least in a better spot than we are right now, because right now it is basically the Wild West.

[Natalie Winters]

Joellen, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to hear a little bit more about what's going on. And I know the audience has a really good track record for killing some of these crazy proposals. So I don't know if there's anything they can do to help put their shoulder to the wheel, as Steve would say. We will be right back after this short break. More Jo Allen. After.

[Joe Allen]

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[Natalie Winters]

We Rejoice when there's no more. Let's take down the CCP.

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[Joe Allen]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band,

[World Health Organization Official]

back

[Natalie Winters]

in War Room, Joelle. And you've got a few minutes before we are going to have our final guest. So I just want to let you explain a little bit more. If there's anything the audience can do or if it's not really a congressional thing, it's a little more lobbying, you know, Trump and the White House from a different kind of vantage point. But. But what exactly can be done to stop some of this?

[Joe Allen]

You know, I don't. Some of it. Much of it, actually, I would say is not something that I would want to see stopped so much as altered, but may be a bit late. But to the extent that anything can be moved, you know, these, these testing requirements would be voluntary. This is something that Steve has rejected from the beginning. And I also think that these should be mandatory. Although conferring with a colleague of mine, he did point out that to the extent that you have a voluntary testing system like this, where an AI company has to submit in this case, 90 days before deploying it to the public, an AI company has to submit their AI model to the government for testing to see again if it's capable of exploiting vulnerabilities in critical infrastructure or anything of that nature. That if in order to do business with the U.S. government. Right, and you see this already, which again, I am not for, but this is just the way it is. You, you have all of these different AI companies contracting with the federal government in order to have their models deployed across the military, across different government agencies, so on and so forth, they would have to submit in order to do that business. So, you know, it's not, it is not the end of the world, Natalie. In fact, the end of the world won't come soon enough, but it is, I think these are real problems. And I also think that even if this particular executive order doesn't cover some of the broader issues that we've been raising about artificial intelligence, that can in fact be tackled by government policy. Issues like models that tell kids to kill themselves, issues like models that tell people how to conduct mass shootings, models that tell people how to create bioweapons, and then, you know, the ever looming threat of deepfakes. I think that as assuming this is a step in the direction of actually confronting these issues, then we might not be able to rest easy. But at the very least we know that again, they've got their top men on it.

[Natalie Winters]

Joe Allen, we've got to bounce. Let the audience know they're obviously on the edge of their seat. I find what you talk about so interesting. We appreciate you drilling into this so we don't really have to, but where can people go to follow you and everything you're working on?

[Joe Allen]

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[Natalie Winters]

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[Natalie Winters]

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[Trevor Comstock]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Natalie Winters]

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