Episode 5390: Senate Leaves Until June; Victory Against Tech Oligarchs

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5390

Title: Senate Leaves Until June; Victory Against Tech Oligarchs
Date: May 21, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon
Guests: Caroline Wren, John Cornyn, Daniel Cochran, Joe Allen, Neil McCabe
Episode focus: The show covers breaking political news, especially the Senate’s abrupt early recess, the Texas Senate race, fallout from Trump’s endorsement of Ken Paxton, and a deep dive into the White House’s AI executive order standoff—framed as a battle against tech oligarchs.

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Overview

This episode unpacks major stories shaking the political and technological landscape:

• Senate Republican leadership, in dramatic protest, leaves D.C. until June, stalling urgent legislative business.
• Texas politics intensify after Trump’s powerful endorsement of Ken Paxton, drawing backlash within the GOP.
• The White House suddenly postpones a planned executive order on AI, after pressure from tech industry stakeholders and internal debate.
• Guests analyze polling showing overwhelming demand for stricter AI regulations, and debate the political and national security stakes. The tone is fiery, urgent, and combative, blending campaign trail drama with policy deep-dives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Texas Senate Race: Cornyn vs. Paxton

• Cornyn’s Attacks & Defense

  • John Cornyn criticizes Ken Paxton's ethics and legal issues, insisting negative ads about Paxton’s record will continue ([00:11]):

    “Judgment day is coming for Ken Paxton, maybe in more ways than one…He’s lied to the people of our great state.” – John Cornyn

  • Cornyn warns a Paxton nomination could risk the Republican ticket statewide and benefit Democrats, draining resources from other key races ([01:46]):

    “Ken Paxton would be an albatross around the neck of the Republican ticket in November.” – John Cornyn

• Paxton’s Advantage & Party Fallout

  • Caroline Wren and Steve Bannon deride Cornyn’s resistance as futile, noting Paxton’s polling lead even before Trump’s endorsement.
  • They argue Cornyn’s challenge and anti-Trump stance have isolated him ([05:27]):

    “Cornyn was dead done. He died the moment that he betrayed the voters of Texas.” – Caroline Wren

2. Senate GOP Split, Early Recess, & Intra-Party Power Struggle

• Senate Leadership in Crisis

  • Steve Bannon announces John Thune has sent the Senate home until June, stalling funding for DHS, ICE, FISA reform, and more critical bills ([06:06], [08:02]).

    “John Thune…has told the House he’s released them. They’re not coming back until June…This is Cassidy and Cornyn. They’ve turned on a guy who they owe their jobs and their political lives to.” – Steve Bannon ([08:02])

  • The reason for the walkout: Discontent with Trump’s endorsement of Paxton and a new DOJ fund for legal defense against government weaponization, which many Senate Republicans oppose.

• Internal Hypocrisy & Frustration

  • Wren excoriates GOP senators for their hypocrisy: They had no issue with taxpayer funded payouts for themselves, but oppose similar help for grassroots Trump supporters ([06:56]):

    “These are the same senators that just a few months ago approved a...$500,000 taxpayer funded payout because their phones were seized...These people are sick. They’re horrible.” – Caroline Wren

• Call for Leadership Challenge

  • Bannon urges pro-Trump senators to challenge John Thune’s leadership and “show the MAGA base” their loyalty, suggesting even Lindsey Graham or Rick Scott would be an improvement ([09:57], [11:04]):

    “Is it now time for those people in the Senate that support President Trump to...put in process to remove John Thune as leader?” – Steve Bannon

  • Wren concurs, pointing out those holding up the Trump agenda are mostly “lame duck” senators already ousted by GOP voters ([12:13]):

    “He is being held hostage by members that...we do not want you here anymore. And now those are the people dictating the legislative agenda…” – Caroline Wren

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3. White House AI Executive Order: Delay, Debate, and Danger

• Executive Order Postponement

  • The White House pulled back an anticipated executive order on AI safety after industry pushback. Trump himself says he fears impeding U.S. AI dominance over China ([30:48]):

    “I didn’t like certain aspects of it. I postponed it. I think it gets in the way…We’re leading China, we’re leading everybody, and I don’t want to do anything that’s going to get in the way of that lead.” – President Trump ([30:48])

  • The executive order would have encouraged a voluntary review framework, with AI companies submitting new models for government review pre-release.

• AI Arms Race & Security Fears

  • Bannon and guests voice concern that voluntary, not mandatory, safety checks will leave the U.S. vulnerable – and that Silicon Valley is using China as an excuse to resist oversight ([33:24], [36:54]):

    “There’s a way to make sure that we’re not in arms race. This is a fallacy set up by the Tech Bros…” – Steve Bannon

• Polling: Overwhelming Public Demand for AI Safeguards

  • Daniel Cochran unveils new polling from the Institute for Family Studies:

    • 82% of Americans support mandatory AI safeguards.
    • 90% of Trump voters and 79% of Harris voters support such measures.
    • 87-88% want such safeguards to address national security and family risks ([39:44], [40:44], [46:18]):

      “We mean mandatory safety testing of frontier AI models prior to release…Americans are saying we want safeguards in place before this stuff is put out to the public.” – Joe Allen ([40:44])

    • The demand for oversight covers national security, cybersecurity, deepfakes, mental health, child safety, privacy, and the risk of bots flooding the internet with misinformation ([47:28]).

  • Bannon stresses the bipartisan, overwhelming support:

    “87% is a monumental number. Right? American people don’t agree on 87%…This is the number one issue we have in the country right now.” – Steve Bannon ([47:28])

• Critique of Tech Oligarchs

  • The group denounces Google, Meta, and “tech bros” for undermining human agency—such as Google’s AI rewriting content, ignoring original creators, and prioritizing machine output ([49:08]):

    “They’re putting machines between human beings, every possible place they can…The vast majority of people don’t [want this].” – Daniel Cochran ([49:08])

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4. Memorial Day, Grassroots, and Populism

• Memorial Day Coverage Preview

  • Coverage planned from Arlington National Cemetery and in-depth historical features ([17:18], [24:26]).
  • Neil McCabe highlights the Old Guard’s role preparing Arlington for Memorial Day ([24:26]):

    “These are the young infantry men and women who take care of the graves...they plant 250,000 flags on the different tombs and gravestones at Arlington. And it’s very emotional for these soldiers...a real tribute to this country to get ready for Memorial Day.” – Neil McCabe ([24:26])

• Populism vs. Establishment

  • Bannon frames the debt crisis as an establishment—neoliberal/neocon—problem and lauds populism as the antidote ([27:57]).

    “Populism has had zero to do with the debt crisis...Populism is the solution.” – Steve Bannon

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• [00:11] John Cornyn on Paxton: “Judgment day is coming for Ken Paxton, maybe in more ways than one…He’s lied to the people of our great state.”
• [06:56] Caroline Wren on Senate hypocrisy: “These people are sick. They’re horrible. I am just so angry right now at the Senate and I, and so is Donald Trump, frankly.”
• [09:57] Steve Bannon calls for leadership challenge: “Is it now time for those people in the Senate that support President Trump to...put in process to remove John Thune as leader?”
• [12:13] Caroline Wren on 'lame duck' senators: “He is being held hostage by members that...we do not want you here anymore. And now those are the people dictating the legislative agenda…”
• [30:48] President Trump on AI EO delay: “I didn’t like certain aspects of it…I don’t want to do anything that’s going to get in the way of that lead.”
• [40:44] Joe Allen on polling: “82% of all Americans said yes…we want AI tested like we test pharmaceuticals, like we test drugs, like we test all kinds of other things.”
• [47:28] Steve Bannon on public AI fears: “87% is a monumental number…This is the number one issue we have in the country right now.”

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Important Timestamps

• Texas Senate Race and Attack on Paxton: 00:00 – 04:42
• Senate GOP Dissent & Early Recess: 04:42 – 14:59
• White House AI Executive Order Scramble: 30:16 – 36:54
• AI Regulatory Debate & Polling Insights: 39:26 – 51:50
• Google, AI, and Human Content: 49:08 – 50:13
• Memorial Day & Populism Commentary: 17:18 – 28:53
• Old Guard at Arlington: 24:26 – 26:46

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Conclusion

Episode 5390 is a high-voltage blend of electoral drama, D.C. intrigue, technological policy debate, and grassroots populist fire:

• The GOP Senate is in open rebellion, using early recess as leverage against Trump and his agenda, despite mounting crises.
• The Texas Senate race encapsulates fissures between the MAGA base and party establishment, with Trump’s endorsement upending the GOP.
• A major victory for tech oligarchs: the postponement of the White House AI executive order, despite enormous bipartisan public demand for AI safeguards.
• The War Room frames it all as an indictment of establishment hypocrisy and a call for more decisive, populist action in Washington.

Guest Social Media:

• Neil McCabe: @reportermccabe
• Joe Allen & Daniel Cochran: instituteforfamilystudies.org, oebotxyz, joebotxyz

Memorable Moment:
Steve Bannon captures the prevailing energy:

“We have a crisis in this country that these have to be addressed. And John Thune has shown no respect for the president of the United States...None of these guys would be there with not Trump, like him or dislike him. None of them would be there.”

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For those who missed the episode:
This summary covers all the critical developments, the pulse of party warfare, shifting tech policy, and the brewing populist backlash at both ballot box and digital frontier.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

Ken Paxton said he's going to stop negative ads on television. His PAC has vowed to do the same thing.

[Caroline Wren]

Will you do that? Or how do you feel about him

[Steve Bannon]

saying he's going to do that at

[Caroline Wren]

this stage in the race when it's not over?

[John Cornyn]

You know, Judgment day is coming for Ken Paxton, maybe in more ways than one. But the election on May 26 is the first time he will actually have been held accountable for all of his misdeeds. He lied to his senior staff who turned him in to the FBI because he was interfering with a federal investigation of his campaign treasurers. When he fired them, they became whistleblowers, sued him, and got a $6.6 million judgment against the state of Texas. That's you and me. He's not going to have to pay that you are. And then he's lied to the American, the people of our great state. And so the question arises, why on the world, on what possible basis would you trust Ken Paxton? So, no, we're not going to, we're not going to quit telling the truth about his record because I believe that accountability is critical. And I do believe that May 26th will be judgment Day for Ken Paxton in Texas.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

If Ken Paxton is the nominee, would you vote for him?

[John Cornyn]

I've said I will support the ticket.

[Caroline Wren]

And a quick follow up question.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

After the March primary, President Trump said that he would be endorsing someone in this race and that he would ask the other candidate to drop out. You obviously are not dropping out. You're fighting through having events all over the state of Texas. Your message for President Trump about you staying in this race?

[John Cornyn]

Well, I think it's significant that the president hasn't made that request. He's called me a friend, and that's no, no surprise because I've supported him and his policies. You may have seen a commercial or two to that effect. 99.3% of the time, actually. It's funny. Quick story. I was in Dallas and visiting at First Baptist Church there, and one of the associate pastors came in with his two young boys and he said, we told him on the way to church we were going to. They were going to meet Senator John Cornyn. And they piped up, he's voted 99.3% of the time with President Trump. And I said, well, that's great. The message is getting through, but it's the wrong demographic. But no, this is going to be. We're running through the tape and we're here to ask for every vote that we can get. And I Think that will be justice for Ken Paxton. But if Ken Paxton, with the incredible baggage that he brings into this election, were to somehow end up being the nominee, he could well lose that race to James Tallarico. We haven't elected a Democrat statewide in Texas since 1994. You know what that would mean not only for our state, but President Trump's agenda. Because the money that would have to be spent here in Texas to salvage a flawed candidate like Ken Paxton has to come from somewhere. And where it would likely come from is other key Senate races around the country, like Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, New Hampshire. It would be hundreds of millions of dollars, and there's still a good chance that he would lose. But even if he somehow, by some strange occurrence, happened to become the nominee, it will not. He will not be winning by the kinds of margins that would be necessary to help down ballot. And so just to be specific about that, that means the five new congressional seats that President Trump wanted Texas to draw, which we did draw, those will all be right below the Senate race on the ballot. And then you get to the state races, then you get to all the other statewide races. Ken Paxton would be an albatross around the neck of the Republican ticket in November. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't literally be running today. But I'm proud of what we've accomplished in our state. I know it's worth fighting for, and that's why we're fighting to win this election.

[Steve Bannon]

Thursday, the 21st of May, year of our Lord 2026. Joe Allen is riding shotgun since he. He blew up the. He blew up the executive order. Just kidding. We're gonna get to all that. Cochran's also going to join us with the. The analysis he did, the polling he did. We're gonna get to that. We're going Arlington. We get a full report from McCabe, all of it. But I got to go to Caroline Wren. Caroline, and thank you for joining us from the airport. First of all, I got to deal with Cornyn. The President comes out and endorses Paxton in a 750 word magnificent that goes

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back to the beginning of all the

[Steve Bannon]

work that we've done together and how Ken Paxton stood for him. And yet Cornyn comes out here and says judgment day is coming.

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Your thoughts, ma'?

[John Cornyn]

Am?

[Caroline Wren]

Idiot. This is all so stupid. By the way, Paxton was already up 11 points for every single poll. There's a poll with him up 10, another one with him up 11. So even if Trump hadn't endorsed, he was absolutely going to squash John Cornyn. And so now these senators are revolting against Trump and his agenda because he endorsed Ken Paxton when it wouldn't even like Cornyn was dead done. He died the moment that he betrayed the voters of Texas consistently for not only the last, I would say eight years, but the last 24 years that he has been in office. And so they are now throwing a pity party and obstructing Donald Trump and his agenda over John Cornyn's already dead campaign.

[Steve Bannon]

So I hadn't broken the news yet for the War and Posse audience the afternoon. And we're not making this up. The Senate, John Thune, because of this, because of the hate and discontent about the Cornyn situation. John Thune and has told the House he's Senate. He's released them. They're not coming back until June. So all these desperate measures we need to have done, including the funding, the permanent funding of DHS and ICE and Border Patrol, they're all gone. You can't make this up. He sent the Senate home. We're talking about that. You know, Todd Blanche is up briefing them. Other people are briefing them. And because, and this is why it is Cassidy and Cornyn is the reason these guys are up in arms against the president. States a president, I might add, Caroline Wren, that if he was not on the head of the ticket, two thirds of these guys would not be in the Senate today.

[Caroline Wren]

Ma', am, let me tell. I am so disgusted by these Republican senators right now. These senators are melting down. They're claiming it's because of the Trump administration announced a DOJ weaponization fund to take care of people who are wrongfully targeted by our own government. Remember, these are the same senators that just a few months ago approved a provision for senators to collect a $500,000 taxpayer funded payout because their phones were seized. God forbid a grandmother praying outside an abortion clinic gets a small payout from this new fund. All of a sudden they oppose it and want to shut down the entire government over it. These people are sick. They're horrible. I am just so angry right now at the Senate and I, and so is Donald Trump, frankly. And everyone should be like these Republicans, I mean, with Biden, Biden was comatose and every Democrat senator held the line, passed his agenda and told us, oh no, he's totally fine. But like, God forbid someone outside of those dinosaur senators could get a possible payout and they all melt down. It is so hypocritical.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to go to this. Given everything we have, the permanent funding of ICE and the Border Patrol and dhs, we have fisa, that still hasn't been fought through. We have the Save America Act. You have all these massive pieces of legislation, plus you get the ndaa, they have three or four must pass. And you know they're all gonna blow outta here in August. This has to be done now. These are urgent matters. And because Cassidy and Cornyn, that's what this is about. This is Cassidy and Cornyn, they've turned on a guy who they owe their jobs and their political lives to. That is what we're talking. And this is a show of force. I keep telling people thune and the Senate are treating President Trump like a lame duck. And what they've done now is they've actually left Washington D.C. and they will not return until June and basically telling the president, hey, sorry, you know, tough luck, you know, we got other things to do, Ma'. Am.

[Caroline Wren]

Yeah. Now these, these senators, what they're doing is just absolutely awful because look, Trump won their states overwhelmingly. The ones opposing this, for Louisiana, Trump won 60% of the vote. Kentucky 65% of the vote. Texas 56% of the vote. So when you're protesting, you are just protesting the own people that elected you to be in office and claiming that you're doing it for the good of what I don't even know. And Trump is not even asking you to do something insane. He's asking you to do what the entire Democrat Senate caucus has already publicly said they plan to do, which is nuke the filibuster and get his agenda passed and get Save America act passed. And so frankly, my idea now is, you know what we should do? We should attach the Save America act to the CODEL funding because those senators, that is all they care about is being able to go on these stupid codells and fly around and give out slush fund money of their own, which, AKA is the money that Elon and others tried to shut down with Doge their precious foreign aid. Attach the same America act to their foreign aid and their Code L funding and then maybe we can actually get it through, because that's the only thing that they care about.

[Steve Bannon]

President Trump, who's basically going to campaign up for Lawler. We're gonna go to the White House momentarily. McCabe, he's working this, he's working this weekend. He's going up to campaign with Mike Lawler to make sure that House seat is held. He's going to sit here and work the entire rest of the weekend. They've left. Do you agree that my plan Is that, hey, we don't have 60, we don't have 51, but we definitely got 27. Is it now time for those people in the Senate that support President Trump to show the posse and the MAGA base and the grassroots base of the Trump movement that they are with President Trump and put in process to remove John Thune as leader?

[Caroline Wren]

Yes. You know, when you mentioned that Trump is working throughout the weekend, I saw one report that senior congressional officials said, you know, people have got to get home. They've got weddings this weekend. Donald Trump's son is getting married this weekend, and he said he wasn't going to attend because he had so much work to do. So I'm sorry that I don't care about your weekend plans or your own wedding when our President United States is not attending his eldest son's wedding this weekend because he's actually working for the people. So please, spare me. You're complaining.

[Steve Bannon]

Do you even. Even. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm gonna say it. I think you would agree with me. Even Lindsey Graham would be better than John Thune right now as leader.

[Caroline Wren]

I mean, at least Senator Graham, like, knows how to get a deal done. He gets along with President Trump and. And knows how to navigate the Senate. I mean, like, at any. I would say anyone at this point.

[Steve Bannon]

But my point is, he's. He. I think he's insane. The stuff he said about Saudi Arabia. We're on Lindsey Graham all the time. This is the desperate shape that we're in right now. Thune has essentially told Trump, I don't care. I'm gonna take.

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I'm send it.

[Steve Bannon]

Not just. I'm gonna go. I'm send everybody home. This is what I think of your agenda. This can't go on like this. This is absolutely total disrespect for the President United States. So something has to happen. Even a desperate measure. Like I'm saying, hey, if you gotta find, you can find anybody. Rick Scott, you pick it. I think the president would like to get somebody he can work with, but John Thune can't be the guy. You can't insult the president like you do, like you're doing right now, and expect to have some sort of working relationship when if we don't have a working relationship and get some stuff done in the Senate, particularly Save America, we're gonna lose the Senate, ma'. Am.

[Caroline Wren]

We are. And even. I mean, Thune is bowing and just holding the line for people that are not even going to be there because they were thrown out by their own voters. I mean, truly like the four holdouts here that we're talking about that Thune is saying, oh, we don't have the votes. You're talking about Lisa Murkowski still there, but you're talking about Thom Tillis who had to retire because he was so disappoint spies and newly alluded to primary. We're talking about Cornyn who's going to go down by at least 15 points on Tuesday. We're talking about Bill Cassidy that just got thrown out by his voters, talking about Mitch McConnell who is also being leaving. So he is being held hostage by members that their own, the people who elected them and said we do not want you here anymore. And now those are the people dictating the legislative agenda of the president United States that won the popular vote and every one of their states.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline, I need your social media people. Keep up any update on South Carolina before we let you go catch your plane?

[Caroline Wren]

No, I'm hearing mixed things. It's really, it's getting tied up and all this procedural stuff that I was worried about. They're trying to run out the clock on it. But you know, we've got people fighting. They're in there right now. They are doing a lot of amendments and different things. But I'll know a lot more tomorrow and give an update.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline Wren, thank you so much. Thank you for your efforts in this.

[Caroline Wren]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

So breaking news this afternoon. John Thune, after being brief by Ty Blanche and then having discussions, I think with all the people at the White House said, hey, here's what we're going to do over the weekend. We're going to send, I'm sending all the Senate home. We're not dealing with anything else. We're not going to deal with Save America, the NDA, fisa, funding for dhs, ice, all of it. We're going to send them home. A direct insult to the president of the United States. All the policies of President Trump are not perfect. Everybody's got different perspectives. Now. We're going to talk about eo, the executive order on AI in a second. President Trump polled it. Reason he pulled it. He said, hey, he thinks even the voluntary, he thinks even the, let's say we're not in sync. He thinks even the voluntary aspect of the EO is too much. That's fine. That's the president. He's got his policies, he's driving policy. We disagree. But you don't take your toys and go home. You don't throw your toys out of the pram and then take your ball and go home. We have a crisis in this country that these have to be addressed. And John Thune has shown no respect for the president of the United States. None of these guys would be there with not Trump, like him or dislike him. None of them would be there. And they at least owe him the common courtesy and decency to say, okay, let's sit down here and try to figure this out. That's what's being a leader. John Thune is supposed to be the leader of the Senate, not a follower. Short break.

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[Daniel Cochran]

War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe Allen is with us because I guess there's no executive order. Today we're going to get into all of that. Cochran is going to join us also. Daniel Cochran. That guy's a ball. That guy's a ball of fire, man. Very impressive. I knew, I knew eventually that one of your recommendations would.

[Daniel Cochran]

I'm just kidding Daniel's a good man.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe, you've been working very hard on this and we're going to get into the reason at least what the president said. They're not doing the executive order, let's say it's not quite aligned with the war room policy. That's fine. We're not leaving town. It's not the end of the world. This is what gets me about. So let me go to McCabe, McCabe, I was going to start at Arlington. I'm going to get there in a second and thank you so much. It was great work today. Neil over there. And we're kicking off our coverage of Memorial Day weekend. We are going to be on Saturday we start our official specials. We're going to have both Cleo Pascal is going to be out as she normally is or oftentimes is in the Pacific, in the Western Pacific. She's going to be in she's just been at Peleliu and we're going to talk about the battle of Tarawa and Peleliu and today and we're going to also bring in an individual, leads a group that's still bringing the remains of the Marines that fought and died in Peleliu and Tarawa back home. So we'll have that. Also, Patrick K. O', Donnell, he's got a new book coming out in the I think late summer, Revolutionary Snipers. It's the third. He's got a trilogy of these amazing books on the American Revolution. We're going to Talk about the 250th and particularly Memorial Day in the year of our 250th and what it meant in the Revolutionary War, in the combat casualties, in the Revolutionary. You don't want to miss that on Saturday. We're going to be really stoked about that. Patrick Kodanos will be with us. In addition, I want to make an announcement on Monday from 10am to 2pm we're going to have special coverage here in the war, my normal 10 to noon, but we're also going to go to 2 o' clock to make sure we get everything that's happening with the President of the United States and the Memorial Day commemoration. So I want to thank Real America's voice for helping us make all this happen. And of course our own crack team at the wharum is going to be a really special weekend. Neil McCabe, I got to start with. I'll get to Arlington in a second because the day was a big day. He did great coverage. The John Thune with everything Going on these executive orders. The press is working nonstop. He's going up tomorrow to campaign with Mike Lawler in a district they said that Trump should never show up in. I think the polling showing something different. John Thune essentially tells the President, I'm tired of working with you. And I hear they had an explosion with when Todd went over the Attorney General of the United States and they

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blew up on him.

[Steve Bannon]

And this is like 25 or 30 of these senators going off on him. And it's all really predicated on the Cassidy and Cornyn move by the President of the United States. What are you hearing over at the White House, sir?

[Neil McCabe]

Well, yeah, of course. And it's not just Cassie and Cornyn. You also have John Curtis and you also have Thom Tillis, who is reported to have claimed that that judgment fund was a pot payout for a payout pot for punks. And so, you know, they laid into Blanche about that fund. But the reality is this fund already exists. They're just sort of setting aside this money to sort of for processing of these sort of weaponization cases. That fund from DOJ paid out $4 billion last year. It's the same fund that paid out Strzok and Page. And so the idea that this is some kind of new innovation for Trump and his supporters is absolutely wrong. And frankly, it's dangerous when people are making decisions based on this crazy information.

[Steve Bannon]

But also, the Senate tried to put into the. When the big beautiful bill is one of the bills that got passed, I think maybe the NDA, remember $500,000 for themselves because they got their phones taken. Don't get me wrong, phones taken are bad. And having to hire lawyers is expensive. But they've already done this themselves. When it's for themselves, it's not a problem. What about the deeper issue here? Obviously, the weaponization is going to get worked out. The ballroom is going to get worked out. But the deeper issue is the Senate has treated the President like a lame duck. We have a sense of urgency here that things have to get done. We had a sense of urgency on the redistricting, and look at the fights we had. And we're winning many more than we're losing. We're gonna be within calling, hollering distance of holding the House and maybe even picking up a seat so that he came. And the Democrats are freaked out about that.

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You've known that.

[Steve Bannon]

I keep telling people the Senate's in trouble because the grassroots, I go around the country, we talk to grassroots people all the time. There's no enthusiasm In Georgia, there's no enthusiasm in North Carolina, there's no enthusiasm in Maine, there's no enthusiasm in Ohio and other places that should be strongholds to do it. And why? Because of the action of the Senate. People just don't see why it's worth it. And now today Thune tells the President with everything going on, including the funding of ICE and dhs, Border Patrol, that he's sending everybody home until June. They're gone for what? They're gone for 10 days, 11 days. Nobody gets a 10 day vacation, particularly when you have urgent work to do. I don't know how the President, it's a direct insult to the person who shoulders that picked him up and carried him across the line to victory. The reason he's even ability to have be the Senate leader is because of Trump winning these states. Neil McCabe. Right.

[Neil McCabe]

There was $70 billion in that bill to finally sort of tie up all the loose ends for ICE and Border Patrol. The President said he wanted that Homeland Security funding completed by June 1st. They're showing up June 1st. They've got a vote at 3 o' clock in the afternoon for a federal judge confirmation from Montana. And so that sort of, that's sort of their priorities. And I'll also say that, you know this, you say it's a 10 day vacation. Constitutionally, this should be a recess, but they basically have created this pro forma session. So it's a fake recess. President Reagan got 240 recess appointments. Trump, President Trump got zero. And he controlled the Senate for huge chunks of his terms.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on for first a second. Because the reason he's gotten zero recess appointments is the Senate has not been in recess one day, one minute since President Trump's been president all the way back to 2017. Neal McCabe, talk to me. By the way, great job at Arlington today. Tell people what's going on with the old guard, the 3rd Infantry Division, the historic 3rd Infantry Infantry Division. What are they doing today to basically prep Arlington National Cemetery for the commemoration that we're going to have over the next couple of days.

[Neil McCabe]

Yeah. If people want to learn more about the old guard, the 3rd Infantry Division, 3rd Infantry Regiment, they should check out that Francis Ford Coppola film Gardens of Stone. These are the young infantry men and women who take care of the graves. They're the ones who are at the tomb of the unknown. They're the ones who ride the horses and the caissons. They're the ones who do the bugle calls every day, all the time. There Are military funerals going on at Arlington? They're the ones who fold the flags. They're the ones with the absolutely crisp and amazing uniform and military bearing. And what they do today is they plan plant 250,000 flags on the different tombs and gravestones at Arlington. And it's very emotional for these soldiers. And you'll see pictures of them saluting. You'll see pictures of them just sort of with each other and sort of carrying all these flags. And it's so emotional for these soldiers. And it's a real tribute to this country to get ready for Memorial Day.

[Steve Bannon]

And people should know they're not just. They're not there for show. The 3rd Infantry Regiment, the Old Guard, is. These are some of the hardest veterans we've got. I mean, these guys have looked death in the face and, you know, highly decorated. You gotta be very squared away to do that, don't you, Neil?

[Neil McCabe]

Oh, absolutely. And frankly, they deploy. This isn't like, you know, these aren't like toy soldiers. These are guys who are infantrymen and women who deploy overseas in combat and rotate in and out. They're really among our finest.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm so glad you brought up Gardens of Stone because I don't think it gets enough. And particularly I think it was Jimmy Khan was the star of it. But you're right, that's not a perfect movie, but a very good. It tells you about the Old guard. You really get the inside of what's going on. Neil McCabe, thank you for doing the coverage at Arlington National Cemetery today. Thank you for doing the White House coverage. Appreciate you, sir. What's your social media, Neil? So that people can keep up to date even when you're not up here in the worm on the other great shows at RAV, you can find me

[Neil McCabe]

on all the socials. Reporter McCabe, thanks for having me on.

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[Unknown Political Commentator]

Yeah. We had been all set up for this signing ceremony for the executive order was expected this afternoon. Some of all the biggest AI companies and their executives had been invited to come to. To the White House to be part of this ceremony. And we know, according to my sources, that a lot of the major AI companies had been talking to the White House extensively about the details of this executive order. And then just a few hours ago, we got word that it was postponed. And now we're hearing from President Trump himself. He's saying he was the one that decided to postpone this, saying that he was worried that it would hamper the industry. Take a listen.

[Donald Trump]

I didn't like certain aspects of it. I postponed it. I think it gets in the way, way of, you know, we're leading China, we're leading everybody, and I don't want to do anything that's going to get in the way of that lead. We have a very substantial. And it's causing. It's causing tremendous good. And it's also bringing in a lot of jobs, tremendous numbers of jobs. Again, we have more people working right now than we've ever had. I really thought that could have been a blocker, and I want to make sure that it's not.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

So. I had been spending the last couple of days talking to my sources across the industry on what was in this executive order. And one of the biggest aspects in this executive order was that there would be a voluntary framework where these AI companies would submit their models for government review up to 90 days before they are publicly released. There was also calls to get more federal technology workers. And we know, again, that these AI companies were heavily involved in working on this executive order with them. You know, the reason that the government wants to have potentially access to these models before the release is, as we're seeing with some of these new models in the last few weeks and months, is that their cyber capabilities, in particular their ability to find cybersecurity vulnerabilities, especially in really critical infrastructure, you know, like the power systems, like the banks, they are unprecedented. It's like having a team of millions of hackers being able to work 247 to find these vulnerabilities. So you can see why the government would want to have a hand in reviewing these models before the release, being able to shore up their own defenses, help important industries like banking shore up their defenses. Now, I do know, according to my sources, there was a bit of push and pull between the industry and the White House, especially on the time period, how long do you give the government to look at these models before the release? I have to tell you, 90 days is a lifetime when it comes to the industry. These models are developing so quickly that within 90 days, you might have two or three new versions of these models coming out. I noted the industry was pushing more for a 14 day review period. So there was some push and pull, both from the industry and from the White House. But. But now we're hearing from President Trump himself that he had issues with this executive order. And it goes to show that there's still a pretty big split between the government of how much of a hand is the government going to have in potentially not even. This wasn't even regulating. This was a voluntary framework that the AI companies were going to voluntarily give their models. But I think from President Trump, he's saying there was such a fear that any sort of framework from the government was going to hamper the AI industry. And there is an arms race with China right now when it comes to AI model development. And that's why President Trump said he wanted to stop this executive order, at least for now.

[Steve Bannon]

President Trump, in the trip to China, could anybody have been more magnanimous? Can anybody have been classier? Can anybody have just kind of reached out and said, hey, look, we want to reason together and we're here to be a partner. President Trump did all that, and what did the Chinese do? What did the Chinese do? Suck on this, President Trump. This is what they said today. You know, you got this big picture in the. Let's pull that camera in. The Financial Times of London, my favorite paper, Law of the Jungle. China's Xi warns against unilateralism. Days after Trump's visit, they said, Trump is the problem. He's there with his bestie, Putin. The two guys are gonna live forever. You heard him on the hot mic. There is a way to make sure that we're not in arms race. This is a fallacy set up by the Tech Bros. And they hammer it and hammer it and hammer it. They're in business with the Chinese Communist Party. Cut off the chips, cut off the kids here studying. Cut off the Chinese nationals in the labs and in the companies. Cut off the equity, cut off the debt. Don't let Schwarzman go there. Don't let Fink go there. How about this? They get no access to markets, they get no technology, they get no training, they get no education. They get nothing like in the Godfather. How about this? You pay for the license to the casino. Senator. No, we want to Stop that. We got to play hardball with the Chinese Communist Party and President Trump right here after you were so good, so classy, reached out to them. Couldn't have said more better things about Xi. A good man, everything like that. Look at that. Law of the jungle. That's what he's referring to. Law of the jungle. A murderous dictator running a dictatorship is lecturing the president of the United States. This is like Thune. She's the same way. The law of unintended consequences. No good deed goes unpunished. And that's what he's here. Law of the jungle. Want to stop AI? Don't listen to tech boligarchs because they're the worst humans on earth next to Xi in the Chinese Communist Party. That's why they're in business with them. They all get along. Joe Allen, you have introduced this show. I gotta tell you, I'm gonna thank you. The bet we made five years ago paid off. You've really become a star in your own humble way. You don't try to be a star, just your hard work, but the orbit of people you've brought. And of course, many people that, let's say this, are not exactly into maga, do not support many of the policies that we do, but they understand that this is a fact fight of such importance that we have to come together. Daniel Cochran, you had on today. And Daniel joins us right now because of that polling. I think it's a big deal. And look, the president's sitting there. The president is an accelerationist. It can't be anything. And that's not the end of the world. The president's the accelerationist. We have different ideas, right, about how we handle. We don't want to lose innovation and we don't want to lose the lead. But this is a very dangerous technology, as the president says. And he says it over again. As dangerous as nuclear. He still foots nuclear at the top. But because this could be a triggering mechanism, it's very dangerous. What exactly happened today in your mind? You've been working this nonstop and right. We were hammering this on the show and literally right before we got off and went live to the president in the Oval for the EPA and Lee Zeldin, they just said, hey, look, upon further review, no executive order today.

[Daniel Cochran]

I mean, Steve, there's no other way to interpret it to my mind other than the pressure that he's getting from all of these accelerators. Accelerationists and anyone else who stands to profit from or benefit from the technology,

[Steve Bannon]

like Wall street with these stocks on fire.

[Daniel Cochran]

And you've got a dichotomy there, right, because you've got people like Scott Bessant and you have all of these different banks who are very, very concerned and they would like to see something done. But you have a lot of other elements. And just from his own statements that his concern. The president says that by blocking these industries we might lose our lead against China. So that whoever got.

[Steve Bannon]

I want people to understand, as we said today, that. And we put the letter out and help with Amy Cramer and the humans first guys on the letter and put our name on it that we believe this had to be man, they had to be mandatory, not voluntary. And it had to have some sort of regulatory apparatus that approved it. And the 90 days we didn't think was long enough. But fine. But it had NSA and the intel and the cyber guys. I just want to be blunt. The president's saying no war room. You're wrong. That's too much. I believe that I'm siding with the tech bros. I think that anything that could intrude upon their creativity, including it's not 90, it'll be 12. Right. It will be not even voluntary. They won't even say voluntary. They'll just keep that as something open. He's pretty adamant as we stand now because his concern about China is that anything that does anything to the tech bros Is not acceptable.

[Daniel Cochran]

Well, what you have is a situation where the President is between these moneyed interests and these guys who command the rock and these guys who are in command of what they believe to be the most powerful technology ever created. On the other side, you have the American people and you see that's the hard place.

[Donald Trump]

It really.

[Daniel Cochran]

Yeah. You see it reflected in the polling that Daniel Cochran brought to us from the Institute for Family Studies. You see it reflected across the board in polling. You see it in the Wall Street Journal. You see it Gallup, you see it in Pew over and over and over again when the American people are asked, how do you feel about artificial intelligence? Either a large majority or the vast majority, depending on the topic, say, I am uncomfortable. I don't believe that this will lead to an ultimate benefit. And many of them are just absolutely terrified. So if this is a democracy or anything like it, then clearly the will of the people need to win out. And this is where the government has to make a decision.

[Steve Bannon]

This is going to be a process and it's between a rock and a hard place. Cochran, come in here, man. You're polling and I want you to take a second and Go through the depth of it, how big it was, the different questions you ask. Because this played a. This had a. You were a difference maker today, sir.

[Joe Allen]

Well, thank you, Steve, and great to be with you as well, Joe. Our polling, as you suggested, found overwhelming support for AI safeguards. 82% of Americans support mandatory safeguards. And then breaking that down, it's something like 79% of Harris voters and 90% of Trump voters support those safeguards. And specifically, when we talk about safeguards, we mean mandatory safety testing of frontier AI models prior to release. Now, our poll, it asked voters about a variety of different risks that they want.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I want to be very clear, I want to go back to that, because you asked that a lot of times they try to hedge these questions in these polls. I want you to read the question again. You asked a very direct question and you got. 90% of Trump voters came back and said, yeah, we agree. Just read the question and tell me what the results were.

[Joe Allen]

The question specifically, the question specifically that we asked voters was, do you support mandatory safety testing for Frontier AI models? And we got overwhelming. 82% of all Americans said yes. And we are asked in the context of would you support the White House using its executive authority to require this? They said yes. So this wasn't about a voluntary framework. This was really about Americans saying, no, we want AI tested like we test pharmaceuticals, like we test drugs, like we test all kinds of other things. Automobiles, before we put them on the road. Americans are saying we want safeguards in place before this stuff is put out to the public.

[Steve Bannon]

Cochran, hang on one second. When the media first got that was one of the leaders on the letter. Their very first thing is that, ah, this is Bannon trying to give Trump more power. Because people are saying they want the White House involved and they want it to be mandatory, not voluntary. It's not that we're sitting there going, oh, President Trump should have more power. We just think the natural. There has got to be some sort of regulatory. It can't be voluntary. It has to be mandatory. I don't think it'd be 50. You need time to review it. It should be a couple of months so they can review it. NSA and the intelligence communities have to be involved and there has to. It just can't be foggy at the end. It has to be some sort of process that gets you to, yes, to go use the model. And we're comfortable with the safety. We recommend that President Trump and the team at the White House in The regulatory apparatus be at the center of this that is actually empowering the President of the United States to take a decisive role here.

[Daniel Cochran]

Well, there's really only one way to determine whether or not the President's making a mistake right now. And that is the future of this technology. Where does it go? What are we going to see in the next few months? Because as I say, yes, you have mythos, you know, kind of as a proof of concept of hacking. But we know cybersecurity companies are reporting that there are tons and tons of attacks that they believe are traced back to AI and then you move beyond that. You look at the wider subject matter that their polling showed. When you look at child safety, when you look at deep fakes, when you look at the potential for just bots flooding the Internet with slop, all of these things are happening right now. So to the extent that the President listens to those advisors who are, I think speaking from their own self interest, we want more power, we want more money. If he listens to them and we continue to see this disaster unfold, then that's what he's going to have to answer.

[Steve Bannon]

I do. He has a very legitimate concern about China as I have a legitimate concern. You do. The Warren Posse, the people that watch your show, we're very, very anti ccp. We have a big concern, I think that he puts as the tech Bros do. The tech Bros want to have it both ways. I don't think they're straightforward. The president, they want to be in business with China, get access to that market, be in business with them, sell them chips, everything else at the same time, use China as a thing to be completely acceleration right now with no executive order. They're winning. We're in dangerous territory now. And I'm sure the tech Bros came to the staff and said we'd rather have nothing than what you've got. Just delay it and maybe let it go away. Because in having nothing, we're still in full accelerations. But anyway, Short, Bray, Cochran and Joe Allen.

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[Daniel Cochran]

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[Steve Bannon]

I want to go back to your polling and just talk about the. You just talked about the safeguards of AI but as we've been this AI, this part of it in the cyber is just something that came up since mythos. Joe, before it was all the safety concerns. The four seas. Talk about some of the rest of your polling, the results of what the American people told you, sir.

[Joe Allen]

Well, it's important to ask. So we said look, how many of you support safety testing on national security related concerns. That was 88% of all Americans. We said what, what about should safety testing include risk to kids and families? And that was 87%. And that's of the Americans who thought that of the 82% of Americans who thought that AI should be pre tested before its release. So overwhelmingly we found that both Trump and Harris voters not only support mandatory AI safety testing, but they support AI safety testing that addresses some of the larger social and economic risks and those risks included we looked at eight different issues in addition to national security, cybersecurity and financial issues and those included and I think Joe mentioned them, mental health, kids, safety, privacy, human decision making, just to name a few. And all of those polled well above 80. 80%. The lowest polling was I think 87%. So we're in the high 80s, mid to low 90s across the board.

[Steve Bannon]

There's not 87% of the Warren posse that thinks I should be the permanent host. They said, Natalie better where's Joe Allen? Where's Brad? Here's where Brad is. Brad is now going to be the ambassador to Australia. So no, my point is 87% is a monumental number. Right? American people don't agree on 87%. I mean these numbers are so off the charts and you can tell by going around the country. Caroline ran for the CPAC thing of

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[Steve Bannon]

all over the country. She went to a dinner last night with 30 of them. The entire conversation for three hours about AI they're coming from. And they said data centers, artificial intelligence in schools, jobs for kids, jobs for college graduates. Parents are freaked out. This is the number one issue we have in the country right now. And that's why it's got to be addressed. That's why this polling is so much better. Now here's the dilemma. I'm sure that the guys around the tech Bros. Called Kratzios and these guys said instead of signing this, just have it go away. Right? Let's not sign it today and maybe forget about it. Because in the current situation we're in, it's not just there is no system, they don't have to show anything. What happens is that somebody like Anthropic that put up monster numbers last night or Wall street kind of came because they were kind of concerned about what they had. Right. But that's, it's not just voluntarily. It's, you know, Elon and Zuckerberg and Google. And if, like you said, if you don't think Google is going to, I just go do a search. And their point is if we don't do this search is going to be gone. Give me a minute on Google. Because you bring up the fact all the time they're cutting the human out of it.

[Daniel Cochran]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, right now if you go to Google, ask a question, it's very, very clear. It begins with the AI overview. It then goes down to the sponsored content. And they're beginning to actually use AI generation to kind of filter out the, the human content. There was a, a moment of experimentation. I think maybe they pulled back on, I don't know. But they were trying to actually alter headlines. The, the, the AI would interpret the headline for the person searching it so that the person who created the content isn't even represented at the front page. Now, there was already a problem with Google Brain to begin with, right. I think people should have been asking each other and reading books anyway. But the fact that they're using these machines, they're putting machines between human beings, every possible place they can. And yes, some people like it, but the vast majority of people don't.

[Steve Bannon]

Scary.

[Daniel Cochran]

I would love to take credit for it. You know, you hear all the time, oh, it's the fear mongers at the War room. Or it's the fear mongers at the Future of Life Institute. It's the fear monger years over at the Institute of Fam for Family Studies. Man, I wish we could take credit for this. This people on an innate level, in

[Steve Bannon]

their spiritual level, in their lived experience, they see what's happening. People are not dumb. We happen to be on this reason I hired this guy five years ago, I said, this day is coming. And it's still. The singularity's even got more to it than that. The quantum computing, all of it. But this day is coming. The biggest change in our species and working class people and middle class people, parents, they're smart enough, they said, hey, we don't know all the details, but this thing is out of control. And we don't like the guys that are pushing it. We don't like. They had this trial and they say it's a technicality. They had a trial for weeks with Elon Musk testifying for three days. It took the jury two hours. We haven't gotten beyond a two hours. Zuckerberg was two hours. Elon Musk was two hours. The one in Los Angeles was. Two hours is the shortest time they can do to fill out a jury box. We don't like these guys and we don't agree with them. The American people. And Cochran's thing, when you're at 80, 85%. Come on, man. We don't even on the Warren posse talking about different policies, mass deportations. There's always, there's always aspects of it, right? Just have things that are 87%. Like, hey, yeah, maybe we should just be doing some basic safety checks here. On this is phenomenal. And that's why it's gonna be such a massive political issue in this midterm and in 2028. Daniel, we got to bounce. Your work you've done is magnificent. You had a big role in this and I would love to make sure. I know it's over at the White House. They reviewed it. We'd love to get you over to talk to somebody. Where do people go on your social media, sir? Particularly over this Memorial Day weekend where they would have time to dive down into what you're doing.

[Joe Allen]

Well, you can find me on Exit Real D Cochrane. And you can also find my work@the instituteforfamilystudies.org Again, that's the Institute for Family Studies. Thank you so much, Steve. And thank you so much, Joe. It's really a pleasure to be here.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Great work, Joe. Where they get you particularly over the weekend. They get caught up.

[Daniel Cochran]

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[Steve Bannon]

When are we putting out the paperback edition of Dark Aeon?

[Daniel Cochran]

You know time will tell Time until soon I hope.

[Steve Bannon]

We're working on. You're going to update a little bit.

[Daniel Cochran]

There's.

[Steve Bannon]

I know you got another. You got another magnum opus you're working on but we'll get on you. I think you owe us a book but we'll talk about that later. Joe, Joe, I'm telling you, working so hard, you're doing a great job. Very, very proud of everything you've done and accomplished. Pretty extraordinary. We're pretty this dive down over the weekend. I'm gonna send out this Wall Street Journal piece where it blames populism. I know you find that shocking that the Murdoch paper blamed populism. You read this, you won't be blaming populism. You actually talk about the politics of the 19th century. We really had, you know, General Jackson and some other fire breathing populists. You know what they were against? I don't know, fiat currency and central banks. Does that strike you as odd? Birchgold.com Bannon Did I do that right? Mo/Bannon. End of the dollar empire. It's all free this weekend. You can immerse yourself. Besides watching our specials we got something very special coming up. Ben Harwell the launch of a new show that follows us at 6 o' clock on Thursday. The other shows have been big hits. Ben Harnwell is about to explain it all to you. Short commercial break Bennett Harnwell what's up next?

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