Episode 5405: Turning The US Into A Massive AI Gamble

Summary

Bannon's War Room Episode 5405

Turning The US Into A Massive AI Gamble
Date: May 28, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Key Guests: Joe Allen, Dr. Bradley Thayer, Captain Jim Fennell, Colby Grossman

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the rapidly escalating battle over the governance, risks, and global consequences of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the United States. Stephen K. Bannon is joined by a variety of experts and commentators to discuss tech regulation, strategic threats from China, the failures of American political and corporate elites, and the unprecedented cultural, religious, and geopolitical implications of AI. The conversation is urgent, at times confrontational, and blends policy analysis with populist skepticism about elite intentions and globalist trends.

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Main Themes and Structure

1. The Political and Regulatory Fight Around AI
2. AI as Power: The Real Stakes
3. China, Corporate Elites, and the AI Race
4. Religious and Cultural Dimensions of AI
5. Washington's Culture of ‘Managed Decline’
6. The Ongoing China Threat
7. Conclusions and Calls to Action

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1. The Political and Regulatory Fight Around AI

The Executive Order Drama ([00:53]–[13:11])

• Bannon frames the episode: America is turning itself into a "massive AI gamble," making an all-in economic and strategic bet on AI, even as the regulatory framework is up for grabs.

  "This has turned the business model of the United States of America into a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence productivity without mass layoffs. Don't know if I would make that bet." ([13:11], Bannon)

• Joe Allen summarizes the behind-the-scenes brawl over an anticipated Executive Order (EO) to regulate advanced AI models:

  • Originally, an EO was drafted with some oversight—mandatory review periods and input from agencies like NSA and the Treasury.
  • Silicon Valley tech leaders (e.g., Musk, Zuckerberg) recoiled, pushing for “voluntary” guidelines and rapid model release cycles.
  • The EO was put on hold at the eleventh hour after pushback, as reported in a detailed Politico piece.

• Ongoing power play: Tech titans, government officials, security concerns (AI-enabled cyberattacks), and financial stability all collide in these debates.

Notable Insight/Quote:

"Even a voluntary review system, a 90 day voluntary review system would be too much for the AI companies to handle. That would, at least according to the arguments, put America behind China. I mean, I don't believe that for a second." ([11:54], Joe Allen)

The Stakes: Accelerationists vs. Cautious Regulators

• Bannon and Allen fear delay = victory for the “accelerationists”—those pushing for unhindered AI advancement.
• Immediate state-level and municipal politics will likely shape AI governance before any meaningful federal policy.

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2. AI as Power: The Real Stakes

The Core of the Issue ([05:34]–[08:45])

• Allen: AI is not just about innovation, but about power—surveillance, cultural shaping, financial leverage, and even military dependency.
  • The risk isn’t just job loss or automation: “The power that these systems have...keeping people hypnotized, to have companies dependent on you, the US Military dependent on you, is extraordinary." ([06:36], Joe Allen)
• The driving force? Not benevolent progress, but increasing “power and money”—Mammon.

Notable Quotes:

"At the core of all of this...is the desire for more power and for more money." ([07:43], Joe Allen)

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3. China, Corporate Elites, and the AI Race

The China ‘Boogeyman’ and Elite Collusion ([09:43]–[13:11])

• Bannon & Allen argue US elites (tech, business, finance) use China as a justification for aggressive AI advancement, while simultaneously collaborating with Chinese institutions.
  • Cites leaders like Jensen Huang (Nvidia), Tim Cook (Apple), and Elon Musk as deeply embedded in China.
  • Laura Loomer’s viral expose: If the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the real threat, why are American AI leaders on CCP-linked university boards?
  • The “boogeyman” of China is invoked to dismiss regulation and maintain the AI arms race.

Notable Quote:

"If you were really concerned about the Chinese Communist Party being competitive here, you wouldn't have Jensen Huang and all these other guys at their...university that trains all the leaders...[It] exposes the total lie that the Broligarchs feed to make sure that there is no controls." ([12:14], Bannon)

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4. Religious and Cultural Dimensions of AI

The Pope’s AI Encyclical and ‘Tech as Religion’ ([22:51]–[27:39])

• Joe Allen discusses the significance of the Pope’s encyclical on AI, broadening the debate to the world’s religious and secular communities:
  • The Pope warns against “transhumanism” and “posthumanism”—using technology for salvation, and cautions that AI is not conscious, merely mechanisms.
  • AI and tech leaders like Elon Musk, however, embrace a “religion of technology,” talking openly about “Jesus-like technology” (Musk describing Neuralink as enabling the blind to see and lame to walk) and cultivating a messianic aura.

Memorable Moment:

“Elon Musk seems to have at least a touch of that Christ complex.” ([25:25], Joe Allen)

Quote from the Pope’s Approach:

“At the core of what he's calling transhumanism is the idea that technology can be used for some form of salvation. A Jesus-like or a Jesus-level technology." ([25:28], Joe Allen)

• Question of AI consciousness arises—AI leaders and some commentators claim AI is or will be conscious, Bannon provocatively asks: “Is this the unforgivable sin? This is the mortal sin, because you're trying to replace God and the Holy Spirit.” ([27:03], Bannon)

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5. Washington's Culture of ‘Managed Decline’

Historical Perspective and Bureaucratic Psychology ([32:28]–[39:23])

• Captain Fennell and Dr. Thayer discuss how America’s political, financial, and military elites have psychologically resigned themselves to China’s inevitable rise, citing decades of indoctrination, financial incentives, and institutional collaboration.
• Fennell describes encountering a Pentagon official saying, “This is inevitable. China's going to be the next global superpower and we're not. And so we gotta manage our decline.” ([33:59], Fennell)

Bannon:

“In all your theories, no elite ever made more money and created more wealth for themselves on the way down of the declining power, right, than on the way up. ... [Yet] this is the situation we're in." ([32:51], Bannon)

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6. The Ongoing China Threat

Concrete Actions Proposed ([30:09]–[41:31])

• Dr. Bradley Thayer:
  • Urges immediate action against tech collaboration with China—starting with removing Jensen Huang from policy roles.
  • Calls out continued US tech/IP transfer to China; emphasizes need to cut off financial and technological flows.
  • Warns about the massive presence of Chinese students in US universities as potential agents of influence: "500,000 Chinese students in the United States are, at a minimum, often agents of influence..." ([30:09], Thayer)
• Fennell:
  • Describes Chinese influence operations through youth exchanges and US think tanks.
  • Warns that China prefers subjugating the US via AI-enabled, non-kinetic means—stripping liberty and autonomy via networked digital control.

Call to Action:

"We have surrendered intellectually to this notion that the Chinese Communist Party has some inevitability to be the next global power. And that's only because, as you said, we surrender that." ([39:23], Fennell)
"We cannot accede to a system like the Chinese Communist Party, which wants to collectivize the world, put us under some kind of AI system, and completely make us devoid of human individual liberty and freedom and autonomy and responsibility." ([39:23], Fennell)

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7. Conclusions and Calls to Action

• Bannon ends by reiterating the necessity of grassroots action against elite collaboration with China, both in tech and in governance.
• The rhetoric is urgent, populist, and very much focused on mobilizing listeners for political and cultural conflict (“If you're going to go through the process between now and November and just treat President Trump as a lame duck... you're going to lose the Senate full stop.” [16:33], Bannon)
• Final takeaway: AI is the central fight for America’s future—technological, economic, spiritual, and political.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “At the core of all of this...is the desire for more power and for more money.”
  Joe Allen ([07:43])

• “Even a voluntary review system, a 90 day voluntary review system would be too much for the AI companies to handle. That would, at least according to the arguments, put America behind China. I don’t believe that for a second.”
  Joe Allen ([11:54])

• "If you were really concerned about the Chinese Communist Party being competitive here, you wouldn't have Jensen Huang and all these other guys at their…university that trains all the leaders...”
  Bannon ([12:14])

• "Elon Musk seems to have at least a touch of that Christ complex."
  Joe Allen ([25:25])

• "We have surrendered intellectually to this notion that the Chinese Communist Party has some inevitability to be the next global power. And that's only because, as you said, we surrender that."
  Jim Fennell ([39:23])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:53]–[08:45]: AI regulation fight; executive order politics; financial and military stakes
• [09:43]–[13:11]: China as justification for acceleration; elite collusion; Laura Loomer’s impact
• [22:51]–[27:39]: Pope’s AI encyclical, religious debate, Elon Musk’s ‘Christ complex’
• [30:09]–[41:31]: US elite resignation to China’s rise; concrete proposals to counter the CCP
• [43:58]–[44:59]: American media, historical propaganda, the need for total decoupling

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Tone and Language

• The episode maintains a combative, urgent, and critical tone.
• Language is direct, sometimes conspiratorial, and often apocalyptic (“primal scream of a dying regime,” “bring the Chinese Communist Party to its knees”).
• The speakers blend policy discussion with cultural, religious, and moral arguments.

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Summary

Episode 5405 of Bannon’s War Room is a deep dive into the high-stakes battle over who controls the future of AI in America—and, by extension, global power itself. Bannon and guests like Joe Allen, Dr. Thayer, and Captain Fennell dissect the stalled regulatory push for AI, expose elite collusion with China, and argue that the AI arms race is as much about spiritual and cultural dominance as it is about technology. Listeners are urged to fight for government controls, resist elite resignation to decline, and recognize both the promise and peril of AI as the defining issue of our time.

Transcript

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[B]

If that answer is to save my

[A]

country, this country will be saved.

[C]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[A]

Thursday 28th May, year of our Lord 2026 we got a lot to get through this hour and we are going to get through it, come hell or high water. Bolling informs me he's working the commodities desk this morning for us. He tells me oil. He hadn't been specific. It's $77 a barrel. It's in a free fall because of this leak on this main memorandum. So there is movement. There's movement and we're going to find out where this all goes. But obviously the world's looking for an off ramp. Tel Aviv Levin and the crowd I'm sure are going to be somebody should do a wellness check right now in that crowd. They're not going to be in good shape. Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and Tel Aviv Levin. I'm sure they're weigh in later. But I think one of the continuities there has to be Free navigation of the straight of horror Moose we'll see. We'll get all the details here in a while. I'm going to get back to this. Joe Allen joins us. So you got to keep some stuff in mind, folks, and kind of joke with us a little bit. We've got these fights we're fighting, Joe now on the overall architecture of artificial intelligence, about your children, about jobs, about all this. And that is a huge thing. It's a huge fight behind the scenes. Either codification legislation is coming up or they're passing at the state level and they're going to fight it out there in the courts. There's a lot going on and of course we're in the middle of those fights. However, something popped up a month or so ago about Anthropic in these new models, right. That even Anthropic was saying they don't have total control over it. There's A big fight between the War Department themselves. And then the administration got into it, the financial community got into it, went to Scott Bessant and the Federal Reserve and said, hey, look, this cyber attack AI that the Mythos review and other things are coming out, could take down a money center bank in about two minutes, evaporated. So Scott Bessant's been very involved and there's been this huge fight. And of course, then coming out of that was going to be an executive order, right? And that executive order was going to, for the first time, actually an executive order. And it was going to set in a structure, some sort of rudimentary structure and a process. And what it was basically going to say these models have to be checked. So of course the oligarchs want to it's got to be, it's a voluntary system and we get it to you a week beforehand or 12 days beforehand and you have no say so over it. We're voluntary, we're sending it to you and then we're going to release it. We took the fact it's got to be mandatory. It has to be 90 days or more. And people like NSA have to be involved. And the Treasury Secretary who's taken up kind of a leading role here as an adult in the room on safety, has to be involved too, because he's worried about the financial structure of the country. And then we had, you had worked on other people we know, the Amy Kramers and all these coalitions. There's four or five of these coalition groups and we have the leaders on all the time to talk. People were working it. We sent out a letter which I signed, that laid out kind of here's what we think is the de minimis. You know, it's got to be mandatory. It has to be some approval process and you got to give enough time to do it or the thing doesn't get released. So and Sachs is in the middle of this and he's negotiating it. And then of course, at the last second we sat, we have McCabe at the White House that day and they've laid out a 3:30 signing of this and talked about it in I think the president invited Elon Musk and Zuckerberg and others to come. And when they awakened to the fact there's a process and Scott Besant's involved and even though it's voluntary, all of a sudden this thing evaporated and it's got put on hold. And Politico has done a very good detail of what that process was and then talked about in the future. Why is this such a burning issue behind the scenes? This is one of the biggest issues people are working on in D.C. why is this about these type of models now has. It's a pitch battle. All the forces, all the forces on both sides. I mean, you've got moratoriums and data centers. You have the thing with the children. All these things are important and big, and people are kind of fighting that back and forth at different levels. And now Laura Loomer's jumped in, I think, with this spectacular tweet last night to really raise up this question about the Chinese Communist Party and what their intents are and who's really working for them. But in this issue, this is intense. Why is the intensity around this issue? And why is this a fight that we, quite frankly, have to win?

[C]

There's a lot of reasons for that, Steve. You know, it's amazing that even a year ago, a year and a half ago, people would talk about AI as if it were vaporware. It was meaningless. It would just be a fad that would come and go. Obviously, that was ridiculous, as we said it was then. You know, on the surface, the importance of artificial intelligence is in that word, right? On the surface, it's intelligence, but basically baked into the notion of intelligence. You have a lot of different things. You have surveillance, you have data analysis, you have the production of culture, and then you have the real key elements. You have power and you have money. And as these companies explode in value, as the product itself is being distributed across society and as people interact with them, the power that these systems have, not just the ability to write emails really fast or produce images really quickly, but the power of keeping people hypnotized. To have companies dependent on you and to have the US Military dependent on you is extraordinary. And you can see it bubbling up everywhere. You can see it in the tension between the Department of War and Anthropic. You can see it in the attempt to mitigate the possible destruction that would be wrought on digital infrastructure if a system like Mythos were to get into the wrong hands. And you, of course, now have the Pope, perhaps the most important global religious leader, weighing in and setting out the guidelines for the laity, for the bishops, for the priests, but for the LA, the 1.4 billion strong laity across the planet and any other religious people and secular people who take inspiration from it. So, yeah, I mean, at the heart of it, though, Steve, I can't emphasize enough. They talk about it in terms of intelligence. This is something that will grow scientific Knowledge. This is something that will allow people to heal, allow doctors to come to better diagnoses and better therapies, all of that. But the way I see it, and I think it's pretty obvious in the behaviors of the tech CEOs and everyone trying to glom onto this. At the core of all of this, everything we talk about with AI is the desire for more power and for more money.

[A]

Mammon Mamen along those lines on this executive order you've read all the political, you know, the inside baseball. Because first off the tech Bros. The Broligarchs were like not to have any. I mean when they realized, when Musk and these guys Zuckerberg realized there was actually something in writing, they go what are you talking about? We don't want to put anything in writing. We wanted something in writing. When it was preemption or amnesty, when you actually lay out a structure and process, they went ballistic. Do you think on this most all important topic we're actually going to get to some sort of structure and process eventually?

[C]

It's not going to happen anytime soon. I mean we've been talking about this supposed.

[A]

Well if it doesn't happen anytime soon, that's a major defeat for us. Huge victory for the accelerationists, is it not?

[C]

I fear that. I don't think there's any possible reason you could say that the American people should be patient. The American people I think have lost patience long ago. But I do think that the process to get an actual national framework for artificial intelligence or even national level legislation that's meaningful. Anything from say the Guard act to even enforcing something like Take it Down which did pass. I think that the state level, as I've said before, I think the state level is going to be the most immediate response. The municipal level, in the case of say data centers or AI in education, that is going to be the most immediate response. But I do also think that our eyes have to be on the end goal which is some kind of national policy. You know, on the eo, the story in Politico from Sophia Chai. If I'm. Yeah, if I'm pronouncing it correctly, you know, she has uncovered the, the backstory to all this.

[A]

I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure how much she uncovered or it was spoon fed to her.

[C]

Really. Well, yeah, of course. Yeah. Sources still try.

[D]

Sources.

[A]

I still try to teach Joe the ways of Washington. That story is so detailed. That was literally she was taking dictate. I'm not saying you're not a good Reporter, sure, they went to her, somebody that was dictation cuz that was so detailed on what happened and you haven't seen anybody come out and say no, that's a bald faced lie. It didn't happen like that one way or the other.

[C]

I would be very curious. You know what she claims is that as early as February the beginnings of this EO were already formed. So you already had this concern around cybersecurity. And then what we eventually saw, I mean basically what she talks about is how it was passed around and deliberated upon by a number of different, not just people within the administration. She breaks it up into three camps within the administration. She says that as we've reported for months, for over a year actually, you've got David Sachs and the accelerationists and then you have Pete Hegseth who apparently has had a lot of concerns about the national security issues, especially Mythos and cybersecurity. And then of course Susie Wiles and Scott Besant and their concerns around cybersecurity, but also as it relates to, as it relates to financial institutions. But the thing is, one of the things that doesn't surprise me necessarily, but certainly I did not know was that they also brought in OpenAI, anthropic and also Google to discuss all of this. Which would also explain why you would see OpenAI advocating for Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation to be one of the central components in any kind of AI regulation. But the thing is, I mean what you see there, you see months of deliberation just nuked from orbit. Why? Apparently because even a voluntary review system, a 90 day voluntary review system would be too much for the AI companies to handle. That would, at least according to the arguments against the eo, put America behind China. I mean, I don't believe that for a second. And as we've talked about so many times, I think China is held up as a kind of boogeyman, as a foil in order to justify American acceleration. If they really cared about it, Jensen Huang would not be on the board of the Chinese University. If they really cared about it, neither would Tim Cook.

[A]

She exposed the fact that we can get it from Cameron Fennell's broken down the board and the guys dealing with China. It's on our board, it's 100%. What Loomer did was expose the lie, right? That if you were really concerned about the Chinese Communist Party being competitive here, you wouldn't have Jensen Huang and all these other guys at their, which is a combination of MIT and Harvard and Stanford that university that trains all the leaders, but also the top the top guys, although they have other great technology schools, you wouldn't have them there driving national policy. It just exposes the total lie that the Berlagarchs feed to make sure that there is no controls and not even a rudimentary type of regulatory apparatus around here.

[C]

Yeah, and I also think that I mean, aside again, you got Jensen Huang, you've got Elon Musk and you've got Tim Cook, who are deeply embedded in China. Obviously they're not going to say the wrong things or do the wrong things to infuriate on Tim.

[A]

Apple don't take it from me, the book the most damning document I've read about Apple is the book Apple in China. The guy came investigative reporter put a book out about a year ago. I just want going to go to break. We're going to come back. Dr. Thayer and Captain Fennell still with us. I just want to remember you were in this very room in January 2023. It's just been a little over three years ago that ChatGPT was announced at Davos. And at the time I said, oh my God, when Davos man and all these venture capitalists, because it was there, it was like a ceremony around ball, you know, bow the evil God, right? They're just sitting there, the golden calf. They're Davos man who bowed down to xi back in 2017 when he went and talked on his networking talk. I say that the speeches Xi Gate went to Davos for the only time in 2017 and two days before President Trump gave his first inaugural address. Those two speeches kind of lay out the two basic constructs of the world. President Trump laying out a defense of the Westphalian system in the American carnage speech. And of course, Xi talking about the networks and really very much into the techno fascist feudalism of the oligarchs. Cut to 2023, January. It's only been a little over three years, folks. This has turned the business model of the United States of America into a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence productivity without mass layoffs. Don't know if I would make that bet. Okay. I think I don't know if I'd make that bet. Short commercial break JOE Allen in the in the house, in the war room, The dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971. Gold was fixed at $35 an ounce. Well, fast forward to today and the US dollar has lost over 85% of its purchasing power. Gold, on the other hand, is increased in value by over 12,000%. That's why Central banks are buying gold at record levels. That's why major firms like Vanguard and BlackRock hold significant positions in gold. And that's why I encourage you to consider diversifying your savings with physical gold from Birch Gold Group. But it starts with education. Birchgold just announced their Learn and Earn Precious Metals events. This free online event rewards you for learning the basics of investing in precious metals. Sign up to get a free silver on your next purchase. Get even larger incentives as you go. The more you learn, the more you can earn. But you must act now, as this special event only runs through April 30th. The dollar lost its anchor in 1971. You don't have to lose yours. Text my name, Bannon B A N N O N to the number 989-898 to join Birch Gold's Learn and Earn Precious Metals event by April 30th. Text Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 and do it today.

[C]

War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

[A]

I'm gonna get back to Joe. I got Captain Fennell. We're gonna, we're gonna do the true Texas project with some of the grassroots leaders. I'm gonna move that till tonight because I want to spend some more time with them about this grassroots victory in the meaning of it on Capitol Hill. We'll get into that. Also, there's got to be a showdown right now at the Senate. These people under under this impression that you can just do business as usual with the Senate and you're going to hold the Senate. It's just not going to work like that. I can tell you. I've looked at the numbers of some of these states in North Carolina, in Georgia, in Maine. There has to be some resolution of this. The Senate treating President Trump as a lame duck. That's got to be if you want to get the grassroots. And that's the lesson of the victory two victories, the reditioning project and the Texas victory, and also of course, the SRI law. All three of those are all because of grassroots fire and action and dedication. And we're within, if you look at the Cook Report, we're very close to being able to hold serve in the House through grassroots action. It's not the same in the Senate. And that's going to have to come from some resolution of what's up here on Capitol Hill. But you just can't. If you're going to go through the process between now and November and you're just going to treat President Trump as a lame duck. That's not going to work. You're going to lose the Senate full stop. And we're going to win in Texas. We're going to beat Talarico by five plus. And I'll get into that this evening, too, and we'll talk to the true Texas Project. Colby, you're here talking about data. You've used data to get into. Just first explain you're the founder of Chapter. Explain why is Medicare so complicated? Why? You use a great example of the guy at Stanford that it's like he's a PhD in this topic on medical economics and he says he can't understand it. Is it so confusing because that's an act of commission or omission? Is it just because the system is kind of jerry rigged and put together, or is it done on purpose?

[D]

Thanks for having me, Steve. It's a bit of both, frankly. The more pernicious component, though, is certainly that Medicare brokers, Medicare advisors are paid a lot more by certain insurance carriers and for certain types of plans. And so most Medicare advisors will push those plans that pay them more. And that really distorts the market and makes it really hard for people to get clear, accurate communication and information. Of course, the system has been built up over decades, so there is just natural new regulations that come out every year, a lot of different government programs that have been created over time. So of course there is that element of it. But it is such a complicated system. As I was alluding to a couple episodes ago, there's a Ph.D. stanford professor of health economics who can't figure out Medicare. He was joking about that on his podcast about the American health care system. So it really is just such a challenging system and that's why most Americans rely on some type of expert Medicare guidance. But the system really is stacked against the individual.

[A]

So. So given that a stack against the individual, why are you guys different than all these other brokers or advisors that are out there? Because they're pretty legion. What does Chapter do that's different?

[D]

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[A]

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[D]

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[A]

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[D]

Thanks for having me, Steve.

[A]

Appreciate you. 845 War Room. Check it out. Today I don't have time to play the Elon Musk because I know you gotta bounce and get a train. You got six minutes. Talk to me about you've done your analysis and you're gonna put it up after the show when you're on the train. About this analysis of the encyclical. Is this a big deal? I think it's an enormous deal.

[C]

The real importance isn't necessarily going to be regarding Catholic doctrine, I don't think, at least not from my perspective. I'm not a Catholic, so my priest won't be telling me about artificial intelligence. But I think that as this message does suffuse through the Catholic Church as it moves through the organization and as it inspires other religious leaders to either take up the same position the Pope has, which is to put up barriers against the technology and guide people to at least be suspicious of it, or they'll argue against it one way or the other. This conversation has now moved to the religious world in a way that it simply never had before.

[A]

I mean, Elon Musk is moving into the religious world, is he not?

[C]

Yes, he is.

[A]

How is he doing that?

[C]

You know? Well, I mean, he has for a long time. You know, people look to Elon Musk as a kind of cyborg savior. And you've had him talk about a lot of different things from the simulation theory, that the entire cosmos is the product of a, a cosmic computer programmer to, you know, wearing the satanic armor at the Halloween ball some years ago. But just the other day, it was May 18th, I believe he was speaking to an Israeli summit and via the Zoom, and he described neuralink, right? The ability to allow the blind to see and the lame to walk. He described neuralink as a Jesus like technology, a miracle of science. Now you would think, well, was that just an offhand comment? But then a few days later he tweeted out the same thing, you know, that these are Jesus level technologies. Now it may be a joke to him, it may not, but I think that it's really important to see that mentality, that religion of technology, the idea that what these people are doing in creating artificial intelligence and, and robots and brain interfaces and genetic engineering and all of this that like at the core of that is a religious impulse in which they believe that scientists are in fact the new priests, that AI programmers and AI CEOs are in fact the new priests. And in a godless cosmos, the Only recourse, the only option you have is to try to either turn yourself into a God or to create God. And it would seem that Elon Musk, even if Grok, is really floundering behind the other AI models, Elon Musk seems to have at least a touch of that Christ complex.

[A]

And how does the Pope counter that in this encyclical? Give me a minute on that.

[C]

I mean, one thing that really stuck out about this thing is the encyclical names transhumanism and posthumanism. I think that's also really important that these words are now. They were already becoming very popular, but I think they're now solidified in the lexicon. And he's very careful to say that they capture a lot of different beliefs. But at the core of what he's calling transhumanism is the idea that technology can be used for some form of salvation. A Jesus like or a Jesus level technology. He also, and I think this is what I'm writing about, the piece should be up any minute now, hot off the presses. But he denies that artificial intelligence could be conscious. He says the AIs are not in fact conscious, but they are just simply mechanisms. They're just machines. I actually, I'm not so sure he's correct about that. But one thing is for sure, as you look around at the reaction to that of all the different things that people are freaking out about, you look at, you've got Grimes, Elon Musk's baby mama coming out saying, no, the AIs are conscious. You have. My friend Sam Hammond just put up an excellent piece, an argument for why he believes the AIs are conscious. You have Rune from OpenAI.

[A]

They're certainly conscious. You believe that?

[C]

I don't have a belief on it, but I would say that if scientific, if it was a million dollars or maybe you cut your don't give me

[A]

a Cassie, don't kill me a Cassie. I don't want to know a property probability.

[C]

I suspect that something is looking back at us when we look into those

[A]

screens, the evidence is obvious thing. Okay, before you go, are you now with me on mark three eight Right about. This is the unforgivable sin. This is the mortal sin, because you're trying to replace God in the Holy Spirit. And christ saw this 2000 years ago.

[C]

I'm going to have to pray and meditate on it a little bit.

[A]

Okay, fine. That's okay. We have our ways of, you know, bringing the conversation along. I'll get to you eventually. Where People get this very important, one of the more important pieces. You've written all your pieces. Pieces are very important. But this is something special.

[C]

It's a little long and it's definitely going to make a lot of people mad. You can find it in about 20 minutes on JoeBot XYZ. So sign up, subscribe or check back in just a few minutes. Thank you for your patience. Singularity Weekly subscribers.

[A]

We're gonna let Joe go. You lost the entire thing yesterday.

[C]

Halfway through it I lost half of it. The dog ate my homework. It was amazing.

[A]

Anyway, God was telling you something to perfect it. Okay, Joe, take off. Go catch your train and put it promulgate this major piece. Joe Allen, stick around. Dr. Thayer and Captain Fennell, next in the word.

[C]

Here's your host, stephen k. Banner.

[A]

Okay, we're going to get a breakdown also of the deal. That's the back and forth accessors reporting and what I'll try to do. I'm going to contact Eric Bolling, who's all over this right now. Maybe if I get organized in the five o' clock show and we're going to have the founders of the True Texas Project, some of the grassroots, the larger lessons of the grassroots. Massive grassroots victory in Texas to walk through the nuts and bolts of it. Hopefully I'll do a transition on the bowling show and then lead that into the five o' clock war room. We'll talk about the deal. Dr. Bradley Thayer, if memory serves me correctly, you and Captain Fennell wrote an amazing book for War Room Publishing. We put out a couple years ago that kind of talked about this problem about how the elites in this country have always had their default position is always to promote the Chinese Communist Party. In this very specific instance where Laura Loomer's done a great job of going out for one of the most powerful men in the world, if not the most powerful non head of government in the world and the head of a $5 trillion market cap company. Your thoughts? How do we get our arms around this and what actions are you recommending immediately we do to stop? If the Prologar is so concerned about China, the solution is not pure acceleration for them. Step one is to shut down any possibility the Chinese Communist Party has of building an ecosystem where they can compete with us on artificial intelligence? Dr. Thayer?

[B]

Absolutely, Steve. And thanks for calling attention to the book that Jim and I wrote embracing Communist America's greatest strategic failure. Where we go through and document the fact of the engagement policy that the US has advanced was really generated by Deng Xiaoping The Chinese Communist Party did a masterstroke in political warfare to get to buy off our elites and make them partners of the Chinese Communist Party. And we're seeing the fruits of that today with Jensen Huang and Laura Loomer's great attention. So three things quickly. First, the scope of the problem. This is going to be fatal if we don't address it. Secondly, time it has to be addressed now. That is today. This has to get started. Getting Jensen Huang off of President Trump's advisory board is a great place to start, but only the place to start with respect to addressing it. Then. Thirdly, we need to recognize, of course, the way forward. What we need to do is. You've called attention this many times, Steve, recognizing the Chinese students in the United States. 500,000 Chinese students in the United States are, at a minimum, often agents of influence and will be working by law, by Chinese law. They have to cooperate with Chinese intelligence and with the Chinese military, alarmingly. Secondly, financial. We're still funding the Chinese Communist Party. Wall Street, New York markets are still supporting the Chinese Communist Party by allowing them to raise money and supporting them. Thirdly, of course, is the recognition that they're dependent on us for technology still. So we need to cut off the technology access that they have through Nvidia, of course, and through so many other sources, and to dry up essentially, the legal and illegal means that they employ to gain access to our technology. So Jensen Huang is the poster child for really, of so much of what's wrong and needs to be addressed immediately.

[A]

You've got a book coming out. We're going to get over on Amazon as soon as we can get the COVID worked out. Where do people go on your social media to get all your writings up until then, Dr. Thayer?

[B]

Thanks, Steve. The new book is America's Hundred Years War Against Communism and How to Win It. And so folks can go to Brad Thayer at X and Bradley Thayer at Get Her In Truth. Thanks, Steve.

[A]

Thank you, Dr. Thayer. So, Captain Fennell, you've been doing this professionally for a while. What is this obsession with the business cultural, financial elite of our country? You know, when she sits there and uses the Thucydides trap and basically says, you're the declining power, we're the rising power. How can an elite. And this is what I saw when Graham Allison came here to the Breitbart Embassy and we spent a couple hours with each other, I said, hey, look, here's the thing. In all your theories, no elite ever made more money and created more wealth for themselves on the way down of the declining power, right than on the way up. And he was like, well, we never thought of that. Or I go, well, you should think of it because this is the situation we're in. What's the obsession with the financial, business and cultural elite in the United States of America, this great republic, the, the greatest nation in the history of the earth. Why did they kowtow? And you can see this, when President Trump took the business guys over there, they couldn't wait to kowtow to Xi. What is it in the psyche of these guys, sir?

[E]

Well, Steve, I first encountered this 20 years ago. I had been in the fleet sailor, Naval intelligence out in the fleet in the Pacific for 20 years before I had my first tour in Washington D.C. and I remember running into somebody in the Pentagon that I had been a shipmate with when I was an ensign and he was a senior executive service member. And he said, you got to calm down, Jim. This, this is inevitable. China's going to be the next global superpower and we're not. And so we gotta manage our decline. So there's some, some of that into this. There's also, as we.

[A]

Hold it, hold on, hold on, hold on. Full stop, full stop, full stop, full stop. Actually a naval officer, because it was that imbued into the system, a naval officer said that, that it's about managed decline.

[E]

He had been a naval officer for 20 years and then he was a senior executive service civilian at that point, so a flag officer civilian. And so. And he was a good guy and I knew him and he knew all about, he was an intel type and he knew all the same data that I knew. But he was resigned. And that's the general atmosphere in the building 20 years ago. So we went through decades of people accepting, well, first they said there was no threat. Thirty years ago, they telling us there's no threat. And then it became around 2,000, well, yeah, there's a threat that's coming. And it was imbued with these exchange organizations that we have in the United States. I won't name names, but there's eight, there's think tanks and there's groups that are sponsored by the Chinese indirectly and they get influenced into the Pentagon, into the State Department and tell us that we have to exchange. Just today in the Global Daily, Xi sent a letter to the Global Daily Replies to the letter From Chinese and US students participating in the shared voyage China US Youth Friendship Program was started in 2023, was supposed to be a five year program to get 50,000American students to Go over to China to be indoctrinated. They didn't say indoctrinated. Well, guess what? They did it in two and a half years, from 2023 to 2025. They were able to get 50,000American students over there. We do it everywhere, the engagements, at every level of our government and they are influencing us and putting into our mind that they're the rising power. They've got it all wired and we need to just sit down and accept it.

[A]

You know, when I was, you know, the first deployment was South China Sea and Asia and all that. The second deployment was supposed to be, but in the seventh Fleet we got called to the. Because the hostages had just been taken. So this was 79, Jim. This is still when you were in short pants. That's how young you are compared to me. But Jim, you know, when I got back to the Pentagon, I came back to be one of the aides to the, to APO Nano, the CNO and his right hand flag officer. And what shocked me is that everything we did was about Russia. Everything we've done. Soviet Union, the Russian Navy. And we'd seen the Russian Navy out in the North Arabian Sea and the Persian Gulf. And I'm sitting there going, man, Asia is so dynamic. And at that time, the Chinese Navy, as you remember in the late 70s, the moral equivalent of just junks and Sampan. I mean it was, it was nothing, right? But the dynamism in the, in just the scale of it, you could tell. And that's why I wanted to join the Pacific Fleet, given the, the, you know, Nimitz and Bo Halsey and all the great, you know, Midway, everything. As a kid you'd read about, you know, particularly coming from Norfolk, Virginia, you read about the war in the Pacific. It was just, I had to get there. And you get there and you realize China is just so massive and it's just going to be such a dominant issue with the United States. It was so evident. And you get back to the Pentagon in the early 80s, it was never mentioned. It was just not talked about. It was, everything was Russia and you could Soviet Union. It was like the Soviet Union. And remember it was Graham, Allison and Kissinger's original managed decline. This is why the Naval War College taught the Peloponnesian War. The whole managed decline was first the decline of the United States versus the Soviet Union. This is what they had sold people until Reagan came on the scene. This was kind of our policy from Nixon all the way to Carter. We had to have all these agreements salt Agreements, because they're a dominant power. And I'm sitting there going, man, this is bizarre. The thing we gotta be focused on is Asia and the Pacific. We're a Pacific nation. And you can see this thing is exploding, and it's going to be so important in the future. But you're right. They couldn't. You couldn't convince anybody at the time. And they all thought, you know, Kissinger and these guys, this is why Allison and Kissinger have done so much damage, I believe. It's not that you shouldn't study the Peloponnesian War. It's obviously something should be studied, but he's right. But we're not a declining power. If we're a declining power, Jim, it's a decision we make. And this is why. You see, what Laura Loomer did is show you the decisions elites make when they believe you're a declining power. The power of her tweet today. And that's why everybody should read it. It shows you the conscious decisions of elites when they believe that they are a declining power. Jim Fennell.

[E]

Yeah, I'm 100% agreement. We have surrendered intellectually to this notion that the Chinese Communist Party has some inevitability to be the next global power. And that's only because, as you said, we surrender that. Right. That doesn't mean we have to be domineering and everything, but we cannot accede to a system like the Chinese Communist Party, which wants to collectivize the world, put us under some kind of AI system, and completely make us devoid of human individual liberty and freedom and autonomy and responsibility. They want to control us. And that's. It's scary to me. And coming from the fleet like you did, you come back and you run into this. What's going on? Nobody's talking about it. And so that was 20 years ago. People are talking about it now. I think that the things have changed, but the real issue is what are we going to do about it? And the actions that need to be taken can't be, you know, one degree here, one degree there. These are we. These are the kind of action and decisions that came to guys like Carl Vinson in the late 30s with the Navy Ocean Acts, the Two Ocean Navy act in 1940. We have to do something significant to prepare ourselves for what's coming. And it's coming across not just naval issues, it's across the board. You're talking about AI. You can talk about cyber, you can talk about economics, you can talk about bio weapons and medical pharmaceuticals. You can talk about rare earth elements. You can talk about education across the board. They're preparing to attack us and they don't want to have to do it kinetically. They'd rather have us just put us in a sleeper lock and let us just pass out and they get to have everything. But we shouldn't allow that to happen because the future will not be a future that will be very pleasant. And as you pointed out earlier in the show, millions of people have died as a result of the kinds of leadership that the Chinese Communist Party will be willing to inflict on people.

[A]

Okay, hang on for a second, Jim. I just won't hold you through the break. We will conclude this conversation in a moment. We're gonna have grassroots tonight. We're gonna have Philip Patrick tonight. We're going to update on the deal I'm going to try to do. I'm talking to Eric Bowling right now, but hopefully doing a transition on his show so we can talk about. He's going through the, the deal right now. Also, the mar. I told you the market, $77 a barrel back up to 90 because they're going through this deal also. So we'll go through all of it. Talk to Philip Patrick about gold, physical gold. Remember, the dollar gets stronger as you have these geopolitical aspects, but it's just compared to fiat currency where it's the world's tallest midget. The important things is how does it compare and purchasing power to physical assets like real estate and precious metals. We'll get into that tonight.

[E]

Short break.

[C]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[A]

Just remember in the 1950s, that kind of golden age of Pax Americana where if you remember the old black and white, you got Mickey Mantle and the great summers and, you know, Elvis, the beginning of rock and roll and all this, you know, the, the fondness, the fond memories people have. The 1950s, the Chinese Communist Party, since we tossed the keys to them, the Communists in the State Department and General Marshall in his naivete, tossed the keys to the Chinese Communist Party. They started the process of murdering 250 million of their own citizens. Then one time Mao said about nuclear deterrence, nuclear deterrence. He said, well, hey, if we got hit, how many people would die? He says, oh, 100 million. This is the time. I think there were 450 million Chinese. He goes, that's not a problem. We reproduce that in a couple of decades. It's not a problem. That's what it takes to win a nuclear war. We can take a couple of hits. It's a totally different mindset. The Chinese Communist Party are not like us. They're not the beginning of Jeffersonian Democrats. This whole agrarian populist revolution was a bald faced lie that communists in our government were able to foist on. And the media, and the media, Ritz, Edgar Snow, Theodore White, Thunder out of China, Red Star of a China, all of it, all propaganda, all of it bald faced lies. And have a lot of respect for Theodore White. But on that one, bought it hook, line and sinker. Jim, you just wrote a big piece for the Naval Institute about the People's Liberation Navy. Where do people go to get all your writing, sir?

[E]

Yes, Steve, I write annual review of the PLA Navy for U.S. naval Institute proceedings. This last one is called Going Nuclear, Getting Bigger, Going beyond. And then I occasionally write for American Greatness. I've been kind of off the net for a bit since this epic fury started, but try to keep my fingers in those two publications.

[A]

Oh, American Greatness. This is the one that had the hit piece on Stephen K. Bannon because he says, oh, he's thwarting President Trump's smart industrial policy of the guys around him about working with the Chinese Communist Party. No American greatness. You can put out all the hit pieces you want. We're not going to get off this, that the Chinese Communist Party is the central enemy of the Chinese people, of Lao Beijing and the American people. And no, we should not have any cooperation. It should be total and complete decoupling and bring the Chinese Communist Party to its knees and let Lao Baijang do the rest. Captain Fennell, thank you so much. Appreciate you spending the morning with us.

[E]

Thank you. Have a good weekend.

[A]

Want to thank Laura. Want to thank Laura Lohman. I'm gonna come back to you, I'm gonna try to get you on tomorrow, talk about this deal. I wanna thank Laura Bloomer for that tweet laying it out. Want everybody to read it and pass it on. A service to the country. Speaking of service to the country, we have Mike Lindell. You're up in Europe, you're up in Minnesota. I don't even understand the process. You guys have conventions, you have primaries. What in the hell's going on? Can't they just designate you governor right now, sir?

[F]

Yeah, Steve, here I am. We're in the Duluth Convention center where I did many pillow shows for years and years and years up here, and everybody's setting up. Tonight we have a big governor debate on stage. But I think the Minnesota media is really going to show up, Steve, and actually maybe cover some of my speeches. Speeches and anyway, but it is everybody. This is basically our primary. It's kind of like these 2400 delegates pick their endorsement endorsed candidate and they want everybody else to drop out. I'm not dropping out. And we're going right to beat Amy Klobuchar. I'm polling number one. And so hopefully, you know, we, if I win, if I get the GOP endorsement, then they all join me on Monday and we spend all summer long going right for Klobuchar rather than fighting each other during the primary. That is until August. Then you only have two weeks to campaign before you can start voting in Minnesota. It's really set up here for four Democrats to win.

[A]

So talk to us before we lose. You know, you got to go back on the floor, talk to us about deals. People want to know about your deal. Want to know if you've taken your eye off the ball on deals.

[F]

Yeah, well, we haven't actually, you guys, I talked to our, we partner with a, our bedding guy. 100% made in the USA. We've had a 10 year partnership where I helped design these mattresses. And he is taking, he's keeping these on sale through the, through this weekend. So this is, we got to thank him. You know, Mypillow, you guys have supported him. So you're going to get the memorial mattress day sale extended through the weekend. You guys, you see 50% the lowest price in history and free shipping right to your front door. 60 day money back guarantee or 6 back guarantee, 10 year warranty and it's the best sleep you're ever going to get. It's a combination of coil and foam. It's a hybrid mattress and it is amazing. And now you go to mypillow.com war room there you're gonna see that we left it up because it's on him. You know. You know one of the things, when you guys support mypillow, you're supporting all the people that deal with mypillow too. Not just my, all my employees that own my pillow. So we want to thank you and we know we have the factory sale where we're given 80% off. You guys do your shopping today and get that extended free shipping. Anything you order today, I don't care if it's just one MyPillow for 1498. You get free shipping on. If you've never tried one, get them get one today because you're going to love, it's going to change your life. And it's promo code war room Go to the website, scroll down to see Stephen. Click on there. And then you can call my pillow, you can call us at 800-873-1062 and tell them you're with the War Room policy promo code.

[B]

War room.

[F]

You'll get the free shipping on your entire you'll get that extended sale with our mattress toppers and mattresses and then you're going to get that 80% off the all the factory closeout. So great day.

[A]

We're going to, we're going to stream and put it up on, on my getter sites and rumble everything on War Room, my personal site, all of it. The debate tonight at the Minnesota convention. Mike, go back to work. Thank you. And we'll see today at 5, hopefully.

[F]

All right. Thanks, Steve.

[A]

Mike Lindell given as good as he gets there. They're trying to chop block him, but not going to be chop block. Two things, Calce, the predictive markets. Wait for this. The Hill newspaper has. I'll get this up this afternoon. The Hill newspaper has this thing, a big headline. Bannon says Senate race in Texas to win is going to be very tough. You're damn right we're going to win. And as I said in that article and said it on the show, five and a half points. Calce's coming out the predictive market and they're not always right, but they got a pretty good record. 60, 40, 60, 40. That's Pax in a 60. And what may worry Alfred E. Talarico. I got a thing up. He's eating a big hunk of beef or something big, you know, got a big like beef stick or something with a Texas shirt on. They're trying to make him like a man. No, he is a weirdo. Alfred E. Talarico. What me vegan Paxton at 60%. Check that out. Paxton's going to win this. They're not going to need $300 million. Paxton in the grassroots in Texas going to put their shoulder to the wheel and have a blowout win in November in the Senate Leadership Fund. And John TH and all those guys up on Capitol Hill can suck on that. If you want to win in November and hold the Senate, get off your ass. Let's get to work up here. Now, now, now. Charlie Kirk's next. We'll see you back here at 5.