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Episode 5412: Tina Peters FREED; Fighting Fire With Fire
Episode 5412: Tina Peters FREED; Fighting Fire With Fire ...
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Steve Bannon
Coward. If you are press, you got the opportunity right now, and that's it, to leave. If you don't leave out here in
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Stephen K. Bannon
an orderly fashion, you are coming with us.
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Steve Bannon
Do you understand that?
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Tina Peters
You leaving that direction. That's it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
You are not.
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Press, you were supposed to
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Tina Peters
leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave. Press, don't leave it. This is not what we're here for. Stop it. This is not what we're here for.
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White woman.
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Stop it. That's not what. Yes, it is. Shut the up. You shut the up.
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Paul Krugman
I'll get.
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Tina Peters
I'll get. This is not what we're here for. This is not what we're here for. You're either with us or you're with. The cats, the civilians expressing, we're not scared of your boss. You're coward.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Cha.
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Tina Peters
We weren't even. You have masks, you have bottles, you have shield. You have full combat here, you cowards.
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Narrator/Reporter
Tina Peters is expected to walk free from a Colorado prison tomorrow. And she's the former Mesa county election clerk who was convicted for her role in a breach of election systems to search for voter fraud. Her nine year sentence was cut short by a commutation from Democratic Colorado Governor Jared Polis. She'd served about a year and a half. The move came after months of political attacks from President Trump, who demanded Peters release. Peters is set to be released on parole sometime tomorrow.
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Paul Krugman
Defang Trump as much as possible and make sure that neither he nor anybody who follows in his footsteps has power after the next two elections. But beyond that, we really need to do a thorough purging of the United States. We need a demogification, and that is, you know, I'm not going over the top by using a word that's very similar to the denazification that we pursued successfully after World War II in Germany. And we need something, not just the MAGA ideology, but the whole structure of hugely unequal power, hugely unequal wealth that made this horrific moment possible. It's not going to be easy, and maybe it's not going to be doable, but we have to try because this is an absolute. This is a nightmare. This is a nightmare beyond, I think, even the worst fantasies of progressives, beyond the worst fantasies of conservatives who still have a conscience, and there still are plenty of those. They're no longer maga. This has to be turned around, and we should not, above all, whitewash or forget this moment, this is where a lot of forces in America have been leading. And if we don't do something beyond just getting rid of Trump, it's going to happen again.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, Monday, the 1st of June, year of our Lord 2026. We're so jammed we can't play our
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long open right there.
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That is Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman on the deep magnification of the nation. We're going to discuss this this morning. Plus, you see the enemies of this republic in full flower in Newark over the weekend. We got two wars going on, one in Persia and the other in the streets of America with these, these not even progressives, Marxist jihadists that hate this country. We're going to go to Fort Worth of Texas. We're going to go to Texas. Later in the show, talk about this with some folks. Trevor Louden is going to join us. But the first, first things first, the work of the day. I've got Apollo Pappas, who's the co host of the Tina Peter show has done this for a year and a half way. Tina's been in prison.
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Apollo, can you tell us what this
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day means for you and your team and what's basically the evolution? What can we look for today with Tina being finally released?
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Apollo Pappas
Well, I mean, to us this is a very long road. 606 days. And this is an answer to all of our prayers because we actually will get to see Tina hug Tina. And most importantly, she's going to be able to continue her life without being confined within the walls of the Colorado Department of Corrections. This is the very first step in what should be a very massive and very, you know, public reconciliation event with regards to Tina Peters and what she's been put through for the people of Colorado and for the people of America. We're blessed that she's coming home, but she has a lot to reorient with. I mean, 606 days is not a weekend. So we're so happy to see her and for her to be out finally. We're so appreciative and she is so thankful to everybody who has showed up, who has continued to support her, to send prayers. And we're just excited to see Tina be able to finally start living her life with some sense of normalcy again, knowing that she's always going to wear this mark, but she's strong enough to handle it. And there's no better person that God could have chosen than her to weather this fight. So we're very, very grateful that Jared Polis at least made the good faith decision to commute her sentence. She's still a felon. But now Tina can go home finally after 606 days. So I want to say thank you to you. Tina is very grateful to all of you on the war Room and to all of the other channels and all the people who have been writing the governor who have been supporting her legal case. This has been a massive, massive battle. And she still has a very long road ahead of her with her active cases and of course, the fact that she is still a felon. I will also say there are some, there were some last minute security concerns and the rhetoric has not changed. You mentioned that clip with Paul Krugman, who is an intelligent man, but insane. There are a recent article talking about Tina being released and where is she going to go? Where? District Attorney Dan Rubenstein, who's the person who led the prosecution, a malicious and unbelievably unjust prosecution of LAD against Tina and basically said that her role is as yet to be seen and she's not well liked in the community and there's a potential for other public safety issues with her being around. I would really like to know, Steve and all you in the audience, what exactly those public safety concerns are on the part of Dan Rubenstein, because Tina's now been locked up for 606 days for backing up election records. And so the, the narrative is, is a big issue. And there were some last minute security concerns that shifted things around that we had to adjust for at the last minute.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Apollo. Hang on, I want to get to that. Hang on a second. I, I want, I want to play the Krugman thing again. Okay, can we do that? And I'm bringing in Mike Davis. Mike Davis, got a solution, at least for part of this, I think. Go ahead and play Krugman one more time. We'll bring in the Viceroy for a
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Paul Krugman
moment, defang Trump as much as possible and make sure that neither he nor anybody who follows in his footsteps has power after the next two elections. But beyond that, we really need to do a thorough purging of the United States. We need a demogrification. And that is, you know, I am not going over the top by using a word that's very similar to the denazification that we pursued successfully after World War II in Germany. And we need something, it's not just the MAGA ideology, but the whole structure of hugely unequal power, hugely unequal wealth that made this horrific moment possible. It's not going to be easy, but. And maybe it's not going to be doable. But we have to try because this is an absolute, this is a nightmare. This is a nightmare beyond I think even the worst fantasies of progressives, beyond the worst fantasies of conservatives who still have a conscience and there still are plenty of those. But they're no longer maga. This has to be turned around.
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Stephen K. Bannon
We're going to play this the Viceroy. Mike Davis, your thoughts on what you just heard on the purging, the defanging of President Trump, the purging of the MAGA movement, what he calls denazification like after World War II in Germany and your thoughts about what Apollo just said and what we need to do to continue the fight for Tina Peters, sir?
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Mike Davis
Well, what they did to Tina Peters they want to do to all Trump supporters which is to severely punish us for our political thoughts. That's exactly what they did to Peter Tatina Peters. They put her in prison for nine years as a 69 year old woman because of her views on election integrity. And they, they didn't hide it. They made that very clear with Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold, Colorado Attorney General Bill Weiser, Mesa County District Attorney Dan Rubenstein, Mesa County District Judge Matthew Barrett. They made it crystal clear that she was being sever punished nine years in prison for a first time offender on bogus charges because she questioned election integrity. That is unacceptable. It's un American. It violates the Constitution. The all Democrat appointed Colorado Court of Appeals remanded the sentence because it was so blatantly illegal, unconstitutional First Amendment violation. The Colorado Governor Jared Polis a Democrats commuted Tina Peters sentence in part because it was so unjust, so unfair First Amendment violation. And this is why the Article 3 Project just sent a criminal referral to the US Department of Justice, to the Civil Rights Division, to Assistant Attorney General Harmony Dilling calling for a criminal investigation of Jenna Griswold, of Bill Weiser, of Dan Rubenstein, of this Judge Matthew Barrett because they clearly violated Tina Peters civil rights under 18 USC section 241 conspiracy against rights and then 18 USC section 242 deprivation of rights. These Democrat operatives must be held accountable because if we don't, you're going to see what you just heard Paul Krugman say where they're going to come after all of us for our political viewpoints. It's just unacceptable.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Rubenstein as Apollo brings up Mike, if I can just hold you, I know you're, you're on the road. I just hold you through the break. I just want to finish this up. The great work Article 3 has done. But Rubenstein, as Apollo says, has implied a threat already.
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We're going to get into the threats
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of what happened in the closing days with Tina Peters, the security concerns. Why, they can't even be like a big welcoming party to see her at a prison. Very, very, very dangerous right now for Tina Peters and Dan Rubenstein. The hack that put her in prison should be held accountable.
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Criminal Referral by Article 3.
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The Viceroy over to Harmey Dhillon.
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We need action, action, action.
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The Viceroy, Mike Davis is with us.
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Apollo Pappas, John Solomon is going to join us.
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Trevor Louden, Steve Cortez, and we're going to go to Texas next in the war room.
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Steve Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, welcome back.
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I want to go back to a place. Apollo Pappas, the co host of the Tina Peters Show. Apollo, I guess that you have a special guest with you this morning.
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Apollo Pappas
We do, we do have a special guest. So I'll take this opportunity to announce the yes, Tina Peters has been released successfully and she is safe.
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Tina Peters
Hi Steve.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Tina, tell us what's it like to be. What's it like to be finally a free woman?
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Tina Peters
You know Steve, I'm not even sure yet. I, after 606 days in prison, it's been quite the ordeal. But you know, I really want to thank God for his faithfulness and getting me through it. And you know, it, it's been, I think probably for me, Steve, to impress upon every person out there how hard it is to lose your liberty, how easy it is to lose your liberty, but how hard it is to endure it. And you know, and I'm so grateful to the supporters out there that have stood with me, you know, my, my close circle, you know, Marcy, my best friend, I, who I called every day, you know, after I, they kept putting me in the hole. She made me promise to call her in the morning and at night every day so people that wanted to get me a message could always reach her. And of course with Apollo and Jared and, and Barbara and you know, the other ones that have stood by me and especially my attorneys, you know, John Case has visited me almost every week while I was in prison and, and then the financial support, you know, I still have fight to go. I still, you know, even though Governor Polis reduced my sentence from nine years to four and a half years, I still have a fight to clear my name and bring out the truth of why they came after me the way they did. So it's still a long road. I'm going to spend the next few weeks regaining my health and, and just being in with loved Ones and family. And, and it's, it, it's a miracle. It really is. For, for Jared polis, he pardoned 35 people and he gave clemency to nine. And I was one of the nine. And, and you know, you see the, the horrible media and the haters that go after that don't go after, you know, murderers and people like that that, you know, he chose to pardon, but they go after, they go after me. So there is a concern there for my well being and my safety. But, you know, I'm just very, very grateful, very grateful to all of you. Thank you, Steve, for standing through with me through all of this. You know, I just can't thank you enough.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And of course, Tina, what we did was so easy. It was you that had to endure this. Tell people. Let's just get an update on your health. I mean, the two things, and Apollo and your attorneys and Marcy did such a great job of keeping people in the loop and making sure that we could, we could have the information to do shows about you. But tell people first off, two things we had most concern about besides how the injustice of it in your cause was your health and your security. Tell us first, tell the audience about your health. Where, really, tell us, where do we really stand with that?
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Tina Peters
Well, I've, you know, I've developed a few things from being in prison. One of the things is, you know, I've had some digestive issues, some acid reflux, some, you know, things like that. Where, but if you can imagine the food there is, you know, people ask me, they say, what, what do you want to do when you get out? And I said, I want a nice big thick steak and a nice green salad with avocado, tomatoes, cucumber. You know, I hadn't had a tomato for almost two years. You know, I'm just four months shy of being incarcerated for two years. And so things like that that people will take for granted. You know, Marcy went and bought me a Sonicare toothbrush. You know, I've been using a toothbrush about long for all this time. And you know, the food in prison is, is horrible. I mean, it's, it's has sugar and salt. So a lot of people become sick. You know, my, my A1C diabetes runs in my family, but I've always managed it well with my diet and, and that has, you know, deteriorated that way with my blood sugar. Everything's either salt or sugar. You don't really have, you know, the proper nutrition that you need. So I'm going to be Getting checked out by doctors and I've got a lot of, of growth that came on my skin that in places where the sun, the sun don't shine. Yeah, right. And so the, you know, I need to have that checked out. The water, you know, there was concerns about the water. There was a dog program at the, at the prison, which is now closed down. But they even, because there was so much lead in the water, they even gave the water, the dogs filtered water, purified water. So there's things like that. I feel like I've aged, you know, about 10 years is, is the way I feel. So I just need to take some time, regain my health, get back to, to the way I have always taken care of myself in the past and, and then, you know, get back and, and get to work again.
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Stephen K. Bannon
What, what was, tell me about the security. We were very concerned. Obviously. We did the special, the 500 days in, in prison. People, we did all the specials around the time that you were attacked, people were so concerned about the security. Then when Governor Polis did step up and do kind of that profile and courage to, to reduce your sentence, people were very concerned about what was going to happen in security. Then tell us about the security in the prison and what it was like.
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Tina Peters
Well, you all have probably been more aware of the threats against me and the rhetoric than I even have because I'm not able to get on the Internet. I haven't been. I had to have Marcy just, I mean, I just got out, so I had to have Marcy actually show me how to use my phone, show me how to get on, on the Internet because it, it has been so long. But you know, in the prison, I'll just tell you, I was amongst, even, even at the end, I was in with women who had done horrendous crimes, you know, murder, actually in my, in my day hall, in my cell and you know, that had exit dates of 2050, you know, and, and things like that. And the problem with La Vista, or the problem with Colorado actually, Steve, is that, is that there are no minimum security prisons. And so La Vista used to be a minimum security prison, but the incarceration rate in Colorado is so high that, and there's only two women's prisons that they, you did what they call overrides to put closed custody violent criminals in with me at the facility. So, you know, I, I was able to, I'm, I'm pretty good with people and you know, I think a lot of the women resonated with me because I, you know, I I'm, I am kind and I, you know, I do care about them. There's a lot of women that should not be in there. There's a lot of women. There's, there's supposed to be programs that they can learn new skills and, and have a better life when they get out, and there are not. I took a class that, because of the shortage of staff, they used the teachers to actually act as correctional officers. So that means there's, there's less class time. That means it pushes out a class for someone else to take it, and there just aren't classes. The other thing, and I think I've mentioned it before, and I'll get into more of this another time, but is the drug problem in the prisons? And, and I'm not talking about the street drugs, I'm talking about the legal drugs. It's called Suboxone. And they put these women on these, on these drugs, and then they keep increasing the dosages, especially before they leave. And, and they can't get off. I talked to one, one woman the other day and I said, you know, you really need to get off of this. She says, I want to get off of it so bad, but they won't let me. She said, they, they, they tell me that I can either just cold turkey or they won't titrate them down. And I believe it's probably a federal program. I'm going to be checking into that because if that's the case, I would like, for President Trump, I'd like to be more involved in prison reform to give these women and men a better life. You know, it's, I understand if someone's committed a crime, they need to, to do the, the crime at the time, you know, as it said, but there's no way to rehabilitate them with the, with the way that the prisons are run currently. And so I would, I would like to be part of that if, if that's the way the Lord leads me, as well as election reform.
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Stephen K. Bannon
We'll get into that. I know you want to spend more time on that later, and I don't want to keep you too long, but I have to ask, you know, we do Memorial Day specials, and you're just not an average citizen. You're a gold star mother. What was it like on the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, of the birth of our nation, having been a gold star mother and your son giving his life in service to his country, what was it like being in a maximum security prison during this Past Memorial Day, ma'.
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Tina Peters
Am.
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Well, this one was a little different than the last one because this one I learned that I was granted clemency and, and so I was able to have more joy. But I still did not believe it until actually the, the a day or so before because I'd been promised so many times, you'll be out in two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. Even, even my crew have done a song called Two Weeks because, and they'll have to share it with you, but, you know, because you get your hope built up and then you're dashed. And this has been going on for, you know, just shy of two. And so I really didn't believe it. But I've always had hope. God's always given me the hope and the, the strength to endure. Seeing our country at 2,250years gives me hope with the people standing up. My concern is, and as I watch this happening and everyone celebrating is that I see these, these elections that are taking place in real time. You know, the mondamis, the, the, you know, the, the Virginia Governor Spanberger and you know, and then what's going on in, in California and, and Texas and Maine, you know, just all over the country. And I know that, I know that the Democrats are going to cheat and, and no one's really addressing the problem that the masa that I, that I spent my time in prison as retribution for and that was exposing the, the election machines that allow the, the votes to be flipped. So that's the thing that I really, as we're coming up to our 250 year anniversary, I'm joyful that we still have our liberty, but at the same time, I'm very concerned and, and burdened with, with why no one is, is talking about this. And I've written President Trump, I've written two letters since I was in, in prison and I'm very grateful for everyone that wrote to me, but I wrote two letters while I was there and they both were to our great President Trump. And I want to tell him thank you for the efforts he put in to draw attention also to, to, you know, my situation. But coming up on, I'm happy I'm going to be out on July 4th. Very happy about that. So I'll be able to celebrate with all of you to sell, to just enjoy and, and be part of the celebration of our, of our nation, our great nation. There's none like us in the world.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Tina, it's great to have you out. This is an answered prayer for so many people. We're Going to obviously follow this very closely. Apollo, where. Where do people go? Because now more than ever, Tina's still got a long fight. She's on probation. She, the legal team, which is second to none, is still got lots of fights about clearing her name and also pushing forward her cause. So where do people go if they want to support Tina?
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Apollo Pappas
Well, just. She's on parole. So I just want everyone to understand she's still technically a word of the state and an injustice in and of itself, but for three years. Yes, but the place to be is titapieters us. You will find what Tina mentioned, the Mesa reports, we've passed out clips. One of them I play on her show regularly, of Democrats talking about the voting machines years ago, before 2020, and any of this happened. And you can watch selection code there. You can find the links to donate to her legal defense or to support her personally just to help her get back on her feet because this is going to be a large transition and she's been, you know, out of commission for, you know, over 600 days now, and she's going to need some time to. To heal, like she said. So tinapeters us, everyone, you just direct them there and you'll find all the links to follow her on socials and to see her show when she's able to finally do them again. So just thank you again to all of you and we're truly, truly blessed.
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Mike Davis
Really, really, really, thank you.
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Apollo Pappas
Really blessed that she's here today.
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Tina Peters
Thank you, everyone. Thank you so much. You. You all were the wind beneath my wings and, and that gave me the hope to. To endure, and I'm very grateful.
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Apollo Pappas
And I'll just say one more thing too, because I know some of you may have noticed, but this entire time you asked her a question about her health, Steve. Other than that, she's hardly spoken about herself. She spoke about the other women who are in prison and about the American people and our voice through our election systems and a number of other issues. The first day out, it's hours now, and she's still talking about other people because that's who Tina is. I want everyone really to understand truly who Tina Peters is. Just in this interview, this short few minutes that you've just spent with her, that encapsulates who she is so well, that hours after she has been now released on parole and her first thought is truly other people.
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Stephen K. Bannon
That's the power that.
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Apollo Pappas
Please go to her website and thank you.
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Stephen K. Bannon
That's. That's why she's loved and revered. Look forward to Talking to you guys after the show. Tina Peters, glad to have you back, ma'.
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Tina Peters
Am.
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Stephen K. Bannon
In the fight.
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Tina Peters
Thank you. Thank you. I'm very grateful.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you. Thank you, Apollo. Mike. Mike Davis. Mike. Mike Davis, right there. You see what the fight's for. A gold star mother who would not back down. Tell me about this. I want to talk about the criminal referral one more time. What action have you at Article 3 decided to take against the people that imprisoned her?
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Mike Davis
Well, first I want to thank the War Room Posse for teaming up with the Article 3 project and lighting up Colorado Governor Jared Polis office for many, many months with thousands and thousands of contacts. I think that played a big role in his decision to his right decision, his righteous decision to reduce Tina Peters sentence from nine years to four and a half years. And that's why she's out now. I think Governor Polis deserves a. He's a good man. He did the right thing here. And I think the War Posse needs to remember that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And people and people and people should know he's getting hammered. He's getting hammered. Same people that hammered Tina. I mean, he's getting hammered all the time on this decision, correct, Mike?
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Mike Davis
It is. I split my time between Colorado and the swamp. And man, the Democrats in Colorado are just viciously attacking him. So that's part one is the War Room Posse played such a big role and having Governor Polis commute her sentence and that's why she's a free woman today. Part two is we need to bring accountability for what these lawfare Democrats did to Tina Peters. They intentionally, very openly went after her for her First Amendment protected views. They went after her because of her views on election integrity. And look, we all know that Democrats rig and steal elections. And we all know that's why they put Tina Peters in prison for such a long time, because she was exposing them. But even if you think Tina Peters is wrong, even if you think she's crazy, which she's not, but even if you think that as a Democrat or whatever, she has a First Amendment right to have those views. And for these government officials in Colorado, Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser, Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold, Mesa County District Attorney Dan Rubenstein, Mesa County District Judge Matthew Barrett. Even if you, even if you think that she committed a crime, for them to severely punish her because of her First Amendment's protected views is unacceptable. It's unconstitutional, it's illegal, it's criminal. And that is exactly why the Article 3 project has made a criminal referral to the US Justice Department to the Civil Rights Division to Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon because these bad actors conspired to violate Tina Peters constitutional rights, her first Amendment right, her God given right to speak her mind, to have to have her political viewpoints. And so we did a criminal referral under 18 USC section 241 conspiracy against rights and then 18 USC section 242 under color of law. When these government officials conspire and punish someone because of their for exercising their constitutional rights, that is a federal crime and these people must be held accountable. So we are calling on the Justice Departments, the Civil Rights Division, our good friends and warrior Harvey Dhon to open a criminal probe on this.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Mike, where do they go to follow your social media and where they go specifically this morning to go to Article 3 to see about this criminal referral you sent over and how the war on Posse can assist the Article 3 project in this.
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Mike Davis
And one final point, just remember that the all Democrat Colorado Court of Appeals and the Democrat Governor Jared Polis all cited this clear constitutional violation when the Colorado Court of Appeals remanded to reduce the sentence and Jared Pollis commuted the sentence. So remember that this is not made up. Even the Democrats in Colorado acknowledged this was a grievous constitutional violation. You can go to article3projects.org or article number 3project.org donate but only what you can afford. Follow us on social media. And again, the War Room Posse superpower is action, action, action. We just solved this. What the War Room Posse did in Colorado to free Tina Peters.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Mike Davis, thank you so much and thank you for your leadership in this. I appreciate you. I know Tina and her team does also. So thank you.
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Mike Davis
Thank you. She's a great American. Thank you.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Great American. Unbelievable. Look, it's 70 years old. Look how she looks coming out of prison. I mean, that is extraordinary. John Solomon.
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Solomon.
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Over the weekend we had nonstop riots in Newark, right? A full confrontation on. And this is about bad hombres. This is not about mass deportation. This is about bad hombres. You then had the situation of Peters,
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but you got Krugman, a Nobel Prize
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winner in economics, saying we have to stop Trump now, thwart Trump now, make sure he has no more power in this election the next and then begin
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a process that he equates to denazification
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in Germany after World War II to
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demag ify the nation.
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Your thoughts are on the morning that Tina Peters is freed.
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John Solomon
Well, it isn't something they just are about to start. They've been doing it since the spring of 2016. And I think that it's just another call to arms by a left side of our country that doesn't have regard for civil liberties, doesn't have regard for fairness, doesn't have a regard for truth. Right now, you see the things that they say. They call the protesters in Newark righteous when they're attacking New Jersey cops, throwing barriers against them, setting fires, launching missiles at them, projectiles. They said that Donald Trump was a Russia collusion ally of Vladimir Putin. He wasn't. They said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake. It wasn't. So truth doesn't matter. Tactics don't matter. Civil liberties don't matter. The law doesn't matter in this struggle for America. And that's what makes the 26 and 28 elections so important. If the conservative movement wants to hold the line and keep the vision of a Paul Krugman or others from being affected, you got to hold the election line right now. And that is the key. Holding power is the key. And so you see why the Republicans are so invested and get out the vote right now, getting things done, building a record to convince voters that they deserve more time in office. And so it doesn't surprise me, this language, it really has been a 10 year continuous battle. Krugman's just another call to arms for what they've been really doing for 10 straight years.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So John Sean Davis of the founder and head of the Federalist is, which is a great site, is going to follow us. And his thing is about, over the weekend he was putting up tweets about, hey, we got to get on top of this taking apart the deep state. And he refers a lot to your, your reporting. New York Times also reporting that you may have some sort of role in this. Can you just walk us through? You got another blockbuster story this morning about the CIA and the intelligence community coming. So where do we stand? You're on top of all these investigations. Where do you think stand in a real effort to really deconstruct not the administrative state, but the deep state? Sir?
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John Solomon
Yeah, I think the prosecution team in Miami is going at full throttle. Cash Patel is at full throttle. I think Odni Tulsi Gabbard, before she leaves, will leave us some big transparency bombs that will help us understand election integrity better and maybe some other issues. But, but the great challenge that has existed throughout the Trump presidencies, plural, is that when you leave declassification to the deep state to the bureaucrats, they slow it down, they hide it, they grab documents, they pretend the documents don't exist, they put them in burn bags, they hide documents and safes. And I think the President wants to break that cycle. And the best way to break that cycle is to remove the classification and review decisions from the agencies, take them to the White House. The President is the ultimate declassifying authority. And let the president use that authority to get information declassified quicker, faster, smarter, so that one, the prosecutors in Florida don't have to wait for dozens of SEPA hearings, these arcane hearings over classified evidence, so the public doesn't have to wait anymore, so that voters don't go into another election still unaware of some of the tactics that Krugman is basically referring to in the old days. So I think that that's what the White House is about to unleash in the next 90 days. I think there will be a mad dash of significant transparency that'll benefit the prosecutors, it'll benefit the voters, it'll benefit the Democrats to know exactly what they did. I don't think some Democrats know what their party and their actors did on their behalf. And I think that will be enlightening to a lot of folks. We'll also get a lot, not only in the weaponization front, but also in the election meddling front. And on that, the story we broke this morning is very important. The man who oversaw analytical tradecraft in the intelligence community during President Obama's tenure, so a guy that served in a very senior position, top advisor to the Deputy Director of the Director of National Intelligence under Barack Obama, filed a complaint recently, a whistleblower complaint with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Committee. It says that that letter that John Brennan and Mike Morrell, their 51 buddies, signed back in 2020, had all of the hallmarks of a professional intelligence deception operation. There are certain tradecraft that the Intelligence Committee uses when they're going to create a deception operation. We're supposed to do that for our enemies, not for the American public. But Thomas Koons believes that he was able to match the playbook of that letter to the actual tactics that the intelligence community uses to create deception campaigns across the globe. He filed that complaint with the inspector general. The inspector general clearly thought it was meritous enough that this past week they referred it to the Justice Department for possible investigation. So an Obama air intelligence official blows the whistle on his own intelligence community. I think what's most important about this, I've said this several times, and it goes back to that famous meeting in my driveway with those two officers that showed up in the dark of night to say that something was amiss on Russia collusion. They kept saying to me back then in 2017 that the intelligence Committee was taking the tools that we created to fight our enemies and turning them against the American public. That's exactly what Thomas Coons alleges in this complaint to the ayg. We're going to have him on the show tonight. It'll be the first time he's shown his face or had a public appearance. We'll get to know this man a little bit tonight on the show. But the tools of the Intelligence Committee have been turned against the American people, according to one of Barack Obama's former top intelligence advisors.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So following us where they go for social media. We've got about 20 seconds. We'll send everybody to the show tonight at 6.
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John Solomon
You bet. Jay Solomon reports. Justinews.com and I get to follow you at 6 o' clock every night on Real America's Voice.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Huge and huge show tonight at 6. John Solomon, thank you so much. Appreciate you, sir.
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Short break.
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You move.
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Paul Krugman
Defang Trump as much as possible and make sure that neither he nor anybody who follows in his footsteps has power after the next two elections. But beyond that, we really need to do, I think, thorough purging of the United States. We need a demogrification, and that is, you know, I'm not going over the top by using a word that's very similar to the denazification that we pursued successfully after World War II in Germany. And we need something. It's not just the MAGA ideology, but the whole structure of hugely unequal power, hugely unequal wealth that, that made this horrific moment possible. It's not going to be easy, and maybe it's not going to be doable, but we have to try, because this is an absolute. This is a nightmare. This is a nightmare beyond, I think, even the worst fantasies of progressives, beyond the worst fantasies of conservatives who still have a conscience. There still are plenty of those, but they're no longer maga. This has to be turned around. And we should not, above all, whitewash or forget this moment. This is where a lot of forces in America have been leading. And if we don't do something beyond just getting rid of Trump, it's going to happen again.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Cortez, there's the threat right there. And he's right. We must never forget this. And over the weekend, you saw,
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and this is, you know, accommodating them to
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say, we're not going to do mass deportations. This is what the political team in the White House said. We're just going to do bad hombres. You saw what that gets you in New Jersey. You see Krugman, Krugman, you see Tina Peters, all of it. Your thoughts are.
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Steve Bannon
Well, my thoughts are. I'm glad that he was as transparent as he was, because I think there are some people on the right who unfortunately, or maybe the center right we'd call it, who unfortunately want to play footsie with these Marxists. And we need to realize what their goals are, what their tactics actually are. They will put all of us in prison if they can get away with it. Right? That's the reality. They have already put quite a few people in prison, but that's what they're after there. And Paul Krugman, by the way, probably there has never been someone with more credentials who is less deserving of them than Paul Krugman. He has a PhD from MIT and he is a moron. He has a Nobel Prize in Economics, and he knows nothing about the economy. Remember, this is the guy back in 2016 when Trump got elected who told everybody, hey, get out of stocks, they're gonna crash because of Donald Trump. And of course, stocks did nothing but roar during the entirety of Trump's first term and basically ever since then. The reality is that Paul Krugman is part of a ruling class, a garbage ruling class that benefited from eviscerating the middle class of this country in every way, economically, culturally and otherw. He's one of the chief proponents of outsourcing of American productive capacity to the world, of insourcing mass migration from the third world into this country. And it worked well for people like Paul Krugman and his cronies and the people who hang out at the faculty lounge at MIT or perhaps at his fancy restaurants in Manhattan. But it was simply brutal for regular Americans. And that's why this populist moment is here and it's here to stay. And the debate really, I think, Steve, is no longer over whether or not we're going to go populism versus the establishment. It's whether we're going to go populist left or populist right. And of course, we're making the strong case for going populist patriotic right.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Talk to me, you've done some polling here recently. I think you've got a new poll
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up about Michigan and it's pretty shocking.
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The results about the citizens response to more immigration by Muslims. Your thoughts?
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Steve Bannon
That's exactly right. So we just polled the state of Michigan, key swing state gubernatorial race, a Senate race that is very competitive. I think Mike Rogers can win. I think that can be a net pickup for the gop and that's certainly what my poll showed. But perhaps the most significant thing that we polled there and we're willing to pull this, which a lot of sort of establishment pollsters won't do. This is we asked the good citizens of Michigan what do they think about mass Muslim migration into their states? Because of course, there are significant parts of their state, especially around the Dearborn area, that have become take that have gotten taken over essentially by Muslims in Michigan. So here's what we found. We asked are there too many Muslim immigrants or too few? The state on the whole, the state of Michigan, 6 to 1. 6 to 1. Steve Too many versus too few Muslim immigrants. And even among Democrats, Kamala Harris voters, almost 2 to 1. So 6 to 1 overall, almost 2 to 1. Kamala Harris voters say too many Muslim immigrants into Michigan versus too few single women, single Women is a group that the Republicans have really struggled with everywhere before Trump, during Trump, might struggle with them after Trump. Single women, three to one, say too many Muslim immigrants versus too few. Let's look at Catholics. This is one of the most Catholic swing states in America. Among Catholics, 47 to 6. Better than 8 or, excuse me, almost 8 to 1. Almost 8 to 1. Catholics in Michigan say too many Muslim immigrants versus too few Hispanics in Michigan. Obviously, a lot of overlap there with the Catholics. But Hispanics, 8 to 1, 41 to 5, 41 to 5. Too many Muslim immigrants versus too few. Now, are the left. Are people like Paul Krugman going to tell me, oh, that's because those Hispanics are all racist or because they're all anti immigrant? No, it's because they realize that Michigan has a significant problem with Sharia law creeping into the United States, has a significant problem with a large population that isn't just failing to assimilate, that absolutely refuses, steadfastly refuses to assimilate because they have no intention of assimilating, because they do not buy into Western civilization. They do not buy into our values. They don't believe in the West. They don't believe in American traditions. They don't believe in Christianity, obviously. And the good people of Michigan, thankfully, are getting honest about this and they're not afraid to tell a pollster, hey, we've got too many Muslim immigrants here. And I think it's really important. Steve, I know you're doing a whole lot of work in Texas. What I see happening in Texas right now is Texas is going the way of Michigan, going the way of the Twin Cities in Minnesota. And if Texas doesn't reverse course, all right, if Abbott and the rest of these establishment Republicans, if they don't reverse course and start taking strong action in the state of Texas, you're going to start having US Representatives like Rashida Tlaib, like Ilhan Omar, representing the good state of Texas. So wake up, America. And also for candidates running for office, I think this is significant. My polling, it shows you that we can stand up for Western values, for the American culture. And we can say we only want immigrants into this country. We only want legal immigrants who love this country, who believe in our values, who will fully assimilate into American society and culture. And if they don't check those boxes, they are not welcome here. And that's what the patriots of Michigan are telling us in this poll. And by the way, Steve, this was not some MAGA sample, this poll, okay? It was not a good poll on the whole for the Republican Party, nor for Trump. As a matter of fact, Trump in This poll was -22% overall, -22% approval rating, the war in Iran, -12%. Only 40% approved, 52% disapproved. So this is. I didn't give you some skew samples.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, hang on for one second. I'll hold you through the word. Sean Davis going to join us, then we're going to go to Texas, talk about the this situation down there.
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