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Episode 5488: Too Big To Rig: Inside The Left's 2026 Election Machine
Episode 5488: Too Big To Rig: Inside The Left's 2026 Election Machine...
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Steve Bannon
Federal judge ordered former Trump adviser Steve Bannon to report to prison by July
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Natalie Winters
1 for his refusal to cooperate with the January 6 congressional committee investigation.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
Trump's former campaign manager and chief White House strategist will become Federal inmate number 056-35509. Department of justice formally urged the high court not to intervene here and to let Mr. Bannon face accountability for his actions. But remarkably, the justice. And isn't the only group that lobbied the court about Steve Bannon. Today, speaker of the House Mike Johnson and several other Republican members of the House voted to make the formal position of the U.S. house of Representatives the formal position that the January 6th Committee did not have the authority to do the work that it did. A dark reality and one that we have to wrestle with to understand what is really happening in our nation's politics right now. The big lie is working not everywhere and not all the. But Donald Trump and his Republican boosters in Congress and the right wing media, they have all successfully sold a sizable portion of the American public. Not just on the lie that the 2020 election was rigged, but that people like Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are victims.
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Natalie Winters
It's the end of politics.
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Steve Bannon
Let's just do it by force. Because physically we mean it just the
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Natalie Winters
way we say we're saying it. We mean it just the way you're hearing it.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
We are.
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Steve Bannon
We're coming for you, Mr. FBI. Tell tough guy. Why is he wedding himself? Why does he wet himself on national tv? He's damn scared because he understands the end is near. So, brother, you and all the other people. The tortures, these are torturous conversations we're having. Don't torture yourself. Don't torture yourself. Get your passport, get the hell out of the country. Because hey, we're coming. And guess what, bro, you ain't gonna like it one bit. Your crimes and your treason combing all of you. I'm a political prisoner of Joe Biden, the corrupt Biden establishment. War room's hitting on all fronts.
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Natalie Winters
We watch you for four hours a day, four years in a row.
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Steve Bannon
I've been on the posse for years.
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Natalie Winters
America cannot believe what's happening.
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Steve Bannon
Be our protection against the wickedness and the snares of the devil.
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Natalie Winters
Amen.
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Steve Bannon
My voice is going to be heard every day. And more importantly, their voices are going to be heard. Right? We're going to take down Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco and the corrupt doj. You love this man right here. He's an American hero. It's a shame that you've let this
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Mike Lindell
happen and they're coming for you next. You better understand that. You can throw him in jail all you want to, but we will not
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Steve Bannon
take a single back step. When their voice is heard, change happens. It's only going to get bigger. And that is what the worm's all about. Next man up. Right? Next man up. I'm proud of going to prison.
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Natalie Winters
Steve Bannon's voice will not be silenced.
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Steve Bannon
They thought they were shutting the whole place down.
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Natalie Winters
Welcome back to the War Room. It's Natalie Winters holding the fort down while Stephen K. Bannon can, of course not join us today. Don't mind if I don't want unity with those same people who have thrown my boss, our fearless leader, in a federal prison to brought just until a few days before the election. I'm sure. No conspiracies, no coincidences there. It's Trump. Trump.
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Steve Bannon
Trump.
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Natalie Winters
Maga. Maga. Maga. Maga.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
War.
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Natalie Winters
Imposse War. Imposse War. And posse. Now the deep State is at war with us. And our Congressional Republicans are extremely content to bas up the gates of Troy for the Trojan horse that is the Democratic Party to come in and continue destroying this country. Let's give a huge middle finger to everyone who has thrown Stephen K. Bannon in prison and show them.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, welcome back. It's Thursday the 2nd of July, Europe 2026. Our host, Natalie Winners, joins us. I can't believe I actually told you look like a kid there. I can't believe. I can't believe I'm being a little
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Natalie Winters
more euphemistic because in the break, you said you aged, which I have because it was so long ago. You know, your boss going to prison will. Will do that to you.
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Steve Bannon
What? I'm so proud.
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
What? I'm so.
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Steve Bannon
You got to tell me. I'm so proud of. This is the confidence we have in this young woman. I didn't even tell her. I didn't call her. I just said, hey, you're the. You're the. You're the host. You're in. And we'll put other people around you just tell her and hey, you figure it out.
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Natalie Winters
Well, there's a lot of lore here, as you know.
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
What was it?
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Natalie Winters
Back when I was in high school, I watched your Oxford Union speech, became radicalized, became obsessed. But I think when I. There was 10 times I saw you in person speaking before I think you ever actually knew me. So I guess I'm coming out as a longtime stalker of you. But you were speaking, I think it was in New York at the NYYRC gala. But a couple, like years ago, and you gave such a good speech and you ended it with. When you set out to take Vienna. Take Vienna. And that always just stuck with me. And not just because your show and this platform is the only show that is actually frankly meaningful in the conservative media space, where you're not just something you watch passively on an airport screen, partly because we're banned, but it's. You give phone numbers to call, you give things to do. But I was like, it's not punditry. No.
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Steve Bannon
In fact, when I have you on and anytime I ask her a punditry type question in the break, she jumps me. That's not what I do.
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Natalie Winters
That's not what you pay me for.
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Steve Bannon
I don't pay for. I do research. Hang on. Before. Hang on. I gotta. I wanna go back to the history of this cause I think it's very important for the audience. You went to one of the top premier prep schools in the country, in the Valley, in la, which is Hollywood most politically connected. You then went, you interned for Asen Rahim, right? Very early in high school and back
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Natalie Winters
when there are no women in the war room.
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Steve Bannon
No women in the war room. And immediately we could tell you were incredibly serious because you wanted. Because you're a nerd, which people realize you would dump into the federal record and come up with these amazing research projects. You went to Chicago in three years, graduated, and Chicago is the opposite of a party school, Right? It's all nerds. One of the, I think, the top universities of the country.
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Natalie Winters
Let's just say I wasn't cool because I never read Harry Potter. That's all I need to know.
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Steve Bannon
Then you've come back and your research at the ccp, et cetera. Then you take a year, go to the White House. So you've seen, in your generation, you have the most unique view of seeing the kind of apparatus from both sides. And having done this amazing research, you don't take on easy topics. You've taken on the Chinese Communist Party, foreign influence and color revolutions. Now the deep state of what your stuff is just amazing. So in your generation, when I talk and give this article, this thing in Politico, you know I'm a boomer, right? As you see it from this revolution that's building and that you're analyzing and critiquing and doing investigative reporting, what is your assessment of this entire thing?
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Natalie Winters
Well, I think we should just let the audience know now that this is gonna be a back and forth where you're gonna praise me, but at the end of the day, today is.
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Steve Bannon
No, it's not my day.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
No.
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Steve Bannon
Yet. No. No. You Harnwell Navarro brat. And listen, the reason we don't have brat on here, people don't realize Dave brat is going to be confirmed very shortly as ambassador to Australia.
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Natalie Winters
They threw you in prison because they wanted to destroy this show. But it was proof of concept that the War Room works, right?
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Steve Bannon
Exactly.
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Natalie Winters
But I think, to answer your question, which also is why War Room succeeded so much even when you were in prison. Not because of me, not because of anyone on the staff, of course, everybody really stepped up and did a wonderful job. It's because of the audience and it's because the audience shares that same perspective that I do. That you do, which is why you hold such a unique place in this media market, which is that to understand the system that we are up against, I think you can best access that through understanding the failures of the Republican establishment. And like you said in the days when you were setting up Breitbart from this very table, you can go after the Democrat establishment all you want. It doesn't really matter when you're hurling stones from conservative media. Right. They don't really care what you have to say. But you actually have power over the Republican establishment. Right. We're their voters.
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Steve Bannon
There's your leverage. There's your leverage.
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Natalie Winters
We're kind of their small dollar donors. So the problem is that we're not the majority of their donors. It's all the corporate, whatever companies that hate the guts of this country. But I think that the differentiating factor is and always has been that our side is willing to throw down on immigration.
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
Right.
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Natalie Winters
That is what made President Trump so popular in 2016. That's why the build the wall chants were what was the most popular. And even in 2020, and frankly 2024, it was the mass deportation signs. There were no asterisks on that saying only the criminals, saying only the really, really, really bad people that killed and murdered 8,000 people. And then finally it was like, no, you're all criminals, you're all out of here. But I think that our upper hand against the left, this kind of emergent left wing populism, was always that. How can you say you care about American workers when you are single handedly working to import the largest degradation and suppression force of their wages and not even just their wages, that implies that they have a job, their ability to get a job.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
Right.
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Natalie Winters
It's like you've heard the stories. It's not just the H1B stuff it's the high school workers wanting to get a job at McDonald's, but you have to speak Spanish. I didn't know we've been conquered, but I think why you've seen more of a surge in left wing populism. There's a host a panoply of factors there, but it's because our side is not taking immigration seriously. Obviously we're not supporting people certainly at a rate that's like, let alone higher than Obama or Biden, but the rhetoric is shifting. And I don't think rhetoric is a goalpost. Right. I think some of our establishment Republican colleagues do. They think it's enough to just tweet about mass deportations. But if our side is fundamentally unserious about fixing the illegal and legal immigration issue, then we lose. What is our trump card against left wing populism? Left wing populism, there is a high IQ stripe of it, but I think it's predominantly not low iq, but it's like advocating to the masses. That's a much easier buy in. Right? You get free this, free that, and screw the billionaires. Like, that's easy. Right wing populism is I think, a little harder to articulate in the current landscape of the cultural and political warfare. Right? Saying, don't you love your family? Don't you love your church, your civil community? Civil society that's been so under attack for so long, it's harder to tap into that. It's easier to tap into the outrage of kids who can't get a job even though they went to school. And the spot and the school that they wanted to go to was taken by some Indian that's now going to the medical school. And you see these medical school classes are like 100% foreign born. So that is, I think, what scares me the most and where I'm jumping around to answer your question. But I mean, I think too why I've always really frankly hated conservative media is like, there's such an obsession and distraction with things that just don't matter. Like, I get it, women in your boy men and women's sports is important. Like, yes, but the country is also being destroyed to the tune of millions of foreigners a day. Our deficit, our debt is exploding. Our military, our defense primes are going to be responsible for tanking this country because they can't produce a single weapon. The Chinese Communist Party is out there writing white papers about how they're the new world leader and they're creating a new historical trend with which they are the global hegemon and it's like conservative Fox wants to spend eight hours of programming a day talking about men and women's sports. It's about priorities. And I'm not saying that's not important. And I know some of our audience might be like, but that's so important. It is, but it's important because they use you to use that to distract you from the important stuff. And the important stuff is what you're talking about in your Politico interview.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
It's important.
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Natalie Winters
It's AI. It's immigration. And, you know, I love to think that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Our audience can. Republican lawmakers can't. They don't do anything. They use everything as a distraction tool. As someone who spent way too much time looking at Chinese Communist Party political warfare and information operations and the narratives that they put out, you can just see it, right? You see how. Yeah, it's so obvious. And it's just week. And we're going to go to Burke.
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Steve Bannon
Hang on. I want to ask you. I want to go back because we'll get back to the transgender ideology because I do think on the cultural Marxist side, that's important. But what the DSA and the Working Family Party Mondame have done, I think is very smart, is to one degree copy what we did at Breitbart. Unlike Bernie Sanders, these guys going after the oligarchs, which is I think central. Of course, the oligarchs happen to be all progressives. The DSA and Mondami realize their greatest they can use Trump as a foil, but where their leverage is to take down the Democratic establishment. What has shocked me is how ill prepared the Democratic establishment, the liberal Democratic establishment, was for this onslaught, which now it looks like they're just going to get the tables run on them.
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Natalie Winters
Yeah, it's an interesting, I think, juxtaposition to the 2016 kind of takeover of the Republican establishment. I know that was why you were pushing, you know, Jeff Sessions, all these people, not to win elections, but just to take over the RNC apparatus. You can tell I've watched your Frontline interview one too many times. But the thing here is that Democratic sentiment never went away. It just evolved. It got stronger. I think they thought they beat it down. But you know, what's the thousand flowers bloom, you get stronger. And it's also just fundamentally different. I think they're much better organized. Those people were the backbone of the Democrat establishment pretending to be nice. Our people never played nice with the Republican establishment. They just kind of Stayed home. These people learned from inside. And I think it's a very different ball game. And they're funded by all this dark money, you know, like billions of dollars.
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Steve Bannon
We'll get into the dark money. Your work on the Color Revolution of AI, the Chinese Communist Party. And where we. Where? Quo Vadis.
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Unidentified Guest/Contributor
Where?
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Steve Bannon
Where thou goest. How's that sound? Whether thou.
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Mike Lindell
Thou goest.
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Steve Bannon
Quo vadis here on 8th Thursday in July. Man, is it hot here in this town. People. If you're gonna come for the celebration, want people to come? Be prepared. Bring. Bring a lot of water. I've never felt it like this. A heat wave like unlike any at least one we haven't had.
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Natalie Winters
You believe in global warming?
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Steve Bannon
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
Yeah, thanks for having me, Steve. I come from, as you said, a data and security background. I used to work with the U.S. government in a top secret environment, helping the U.S. military and the Marines navigate the war against ISIS. And from those experiences, I learned pretty clearly how to secure data. And so at chapter, we use bank level encryption, we use the highest data security standards to make sure that seniors and the war room posse have the most secure data environment possible. Really, we're just incentivized to help all of you, all the posse, find the best Medicare guidance and save a lot of money. And so it is very helpful for us to have that full information so that we can provide really good guidance. But it's a free call. There's no obligation. It's just 8, 4, 5, or room. People can give us a call and they can give us as much information as they're comfortable with to start, and then they can give us whatever is helpful to them. Again, we take doctors, we take prescriptions, we take meds, and willingness and ability to pay into account to make sure that people get the right guidance for their needs.
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Steve Bannon
And so 845 Warham's the number. Walk me through the process. When you call, where do we go from that? If you people had the courage to call, remember, it's totally free, no obligation. So if they call, what's the process?
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
From there, they get connected to one of our licensed Medicare experts. These are full time employees of chapter. They are fully trained by our team. Our team will answer any questions you have, whether it's about should you sign up for Medicare, how to sign up for Medicare. If you're already on a Medicare plan, we'll tell you how to save money. And if there's a potential to save money and get on a better plan for your needs. And then once you're enrolled in a plan and we automate a lot of the tedium out of it so that it's actually a delightful experience. Once you're enrolled, we'll help you appeal bills, appeal claims, find a doctor who's in network, find prescriptions at a lower cost. Really, anything that we can do to help you on your Medicare journey. And as Steve just said, it's totally free, no obligation. We're just here to help because we're trying to disrupt a really legacy, antiquated industry that has been taking advantage of Americans for a very long time.
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Steve Bannon
Are you guys, are the phones going to be open over the holiday weekend? I mean, is this 24 hours a day? What's the 845 war room? What is the 845 war room? People go.
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
People should call whenever convenient for them. We're not open 24 7, but you can schedule a time to talk 247 if you call us. I think we're open from roughly 8am to 10pm Eastern Time. So pretty, pretty significant times of the day. And if for whatever reason, you have an issue, you can give us a call back or, or leave a message and we'll respond to you very quickly.
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Steve Bannon
Let's do it today. Let's make sure get over the fear of talking to somebody about your Medicare because they got solutions there. Colby, thank you. Thank you for starting the company and thank you for. We're getting tremendous response from her. So thank you for the free, no obligation offer. Appreciate you, sir.
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Colby (Founder of Chapter)
Thanks for having me, Steve.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you, brother Chinese, your two lines of inquiry have been the Chinese Communist Party. And then as part of that, you become fascinated. And when you and Ben are together, it's amazing, but you become quite fascinated on this concept or construct of color Revolution. Talk to particularly newer audience members because the show's building all the time. What do we mean by color revolution? How has the United States used that as an active part of its national security and foreign policy? And why do you make the leap that they've actually turned that into using that against citizens of this country?
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Natalie Winters
I gotta just throw in a fun fact. Since we're celebrating how far war has come. Can you believe Oracle used to be one of our sponsors? How far are we going?
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Steve Bannon
Unbelievable. Oracle, that division of Oracle with the software that was back, it was the only sponsor we had. Cause I didn't do sponsors.
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Natalie Winters
Right?
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Steve Bannon
They came on for like a year. And then later, Mike Lindell, the war
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Natalie Winters
room defense pack, greatest hit.
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Steve Bannon
Mike Lindell came on one day and he's, you know, he's. Unlike his third or fourth hit, this one, Mike Lindell Got into the voter fraud thing, and it was right after January 6th. And he comes in and he says, hey, how come you don't have a promo code? And I go, what's a promo code? He goes, you know, he says, every day when I'm on, you have me, I'm doing a pitch, I'm sending people to a promo code. And your promo code's tracking bigger than Levin or Hannity or anybody.
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Natalie Winters
He says, as big as Levin's flag brooch.
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Steve Bannon
Tell me about that. The deeper he digs the hole, the bigger the flag brooch gets.
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Natalie Winters
Look, he's really patriotic. Okay, what can I say?
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Steve Bannon
America first.
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Natalie Winters
When you're accused of lobbying on behalf of a foreign country, what's the answer? What do your paid consultants tell you to do? Well, you gotta wear the American flag pin, obviously, Roach, a little bit. That was one of the best lines of War Room all year. But to answer your question, what can I say? I'm very glad you're back. If you. If you had been sent to prison for much longer, I don't know what would happen that I might be very different. Yeah, no, no, but look, the. The color revolution stuff, I think kind of gets to what we were talking about in the last break. That is the stuff that actually matters, right? This isn't just Republican, Democrat, like you always say. I think it's sort of the almost kinetic, at least politically kinetic, manifestation of the idea that it's not Democrats versus Republicans, it's not liberals versus conservatives, it's the establishment and it's us. And if President Trump, even if he had an R next to his name, if he had been a McCain or a Bush type, they would not have mobilized these forces against them. How do I know that? Because all those types are basically on the board of these organizations because they love to claim how bipartisan they are. And this is basically, I think, the kind of DC apparatus that Doge purported to go after, whether it's the National Endowment for Democracy, you know, all these think tanks that are funded quasi by government money, but more the dark money stuff like the Open Society, Tides Network, Arabella, all these shady entities. But basically, it is the wash, rinse, repeat of depicting President Trump as a dictator, an autocrat, an authoritarian, to justify, outside of the mean, outside of the system, political change tactics. That's why when we get access to their blueprints, their manuals for how to protest Trump, it's not like, let's point out that he didn't follow through on this campaign promise. It's here is Your battle plan here is your kinetic action tactic. Make sure you're not violent, but if you are violent, that's okay. Because one of the main scholars that's, you know, really buttressing our work, she's actually a scholar in violent political reform. But other than that, violence is bad, but they basically are. The Color Revolution is all about laying the predicate for basically, like, assassinating President Trump. And it's not that it's just assassinating him. It's not just a call to arms. It is the normalization in saying it is okay to do that. And that's why you see so many assassination attempts and why their manifestos and their rationales are basically all the same. It's like, I had to do this because no one else was doing it. And we need to save the country. And it's everything they've done in these foreign countries. I'm not just talking about assassinating leaders, but to the point of rallying certain groups artificially. Astroturfing. It's like the SPLC and these fake racial groups. They want to create the predicate that there is such a threat. In this case, it's against democracy that you have to get rid of it by removing the existential threat to democracy, which is President Trump. And frankly, I think where maybe my critiques of this Color Revolution stuff has changed a little bit from when we were covering this in the lead up to Inauguration Day is that I kind of wish President Trump was the dictator that they were dictating.
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Steve Bannon
This is the point when you see Norm Isen and these guys, when they describe Mark Elias, we want that guy.
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Natalie Winters
They're like, he's deporting everyone America. Everybody's going to church. Like the working class. It's only Americans are getting hired or getting jobs. There's no transgenderism.
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Steve Bannon
Like, he actually has a. Tell me. He has a big heart.
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Natalie Winters
Everybody's in jail. Mark Elias is in jail.
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Steve Bannon
He has a kind heart. They describe kind of a quasi neo fascist monster.
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Natalie Winters
That's the interesting thing, right? That's the Color Revolution component of it. They have to depict him as an autocrat, as a dictator, as all these things. Things. Because that is like the key that picks the lock to opening the trove of this very weaponized, very militant leftism that can remove him from power. And part of it's political, but it's also just. It's cultural, too. But you know, what's the cultural part?
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Steve Bannon
Because this is important, because culture's upriver from the politics of it.
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Natalie Winters
I mean, I'll Take this example, when all those people were fired from USAID and then it was leaked that they were having these private activist groups where they were, you know, they're secured encrypted messaging channels that they were plotting how to sabotage the system from within and subvert and recruit more people who are still working in government to help sabotage the Trump administration's plans. Like basically everything goes back to war room impeachment. Right? It's the nullification project. It always has been. It never changed. I think they just didn't take Trump so seriously the first time around. And that's why it was like, okay, we'll cobble together a shoddy impeachment. When you look at how far they have evolved in terms of their attacks on President Trump, like the lawfare machine, I mean, think about what the impeachment was that was throwing together a few witnesses from some deep state think tanks and it was about Ukraine. Now, I mean they have lawfare apparatus for like 60 days post election for the 2026 midterms already in action, coordinating with Governor.
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Steve Bannon
Repeat that real quick before you go to break because this is, I think there's people asleep in the city on
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Natalie Winters
our side has its largest budget ever. They are actively, as we speak, role playing election crisis scenarios where they have millions of people, election observers, polling observers, every inch in the book of being involved with elections. They're literally training students, one group, former Obama White House people, students to report their peers for spreading elections disinformation and election misinformation. You can't make it up. They're basically paying and rallying citizens to start monitoring election disinformation, rumor control. Meanwhile, hundreds of millions of dollars for, you know, nonpartisan turnout the vote. They're getting hospitals to send texts to people.
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Steve Bannon
This is why we had this report. It was in that they're war gaming already. They're doing major war game scenarios.
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Natalie Winters
They're stealing our phrases too. One of the, the big groups that's hundreds of millions dollars to play, guess what? Their phrases, their, their, their, their homepage make 2026 too big to rig. I thought that was, that was far right fact.
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Steve Bannon
I thought it. Doesn't President Trump have trademark on that? Okay, short break. Natalie Winners on the other side, MAGA Inc. Listen up, patriots. President Trump is dropping a $100 trillion bomb on the globalists. Jerome Powell's term is come to a close and he's installing a real America First Fed chair who will, according to Jim Rickards, slash rates and supercharge our reindustrialization. This is what one man is calling Trump's gift. On America's 250th anniversary. Unleashing a historic super cycle in American mining rare earths, uranium and gold. The same forces that turned $5,000 into over a million in less than five years during China's booms are hitting here now. Jim Rickards, the former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor has the battle plan, the gold royalty stock that could skyrocket in the next few years and the uranium power for AI. Don't miss this. Go to rickardswarroom.com now for a risk free trial of Rickards strategic intelligence. Get all five free reports for just 49 bucks. 90 days to test it, love it or keep the research and get your money back. This is your shot, patriots. America is rising. Make sure you participate once again. Rickardswarroom.com for your risk free 90 day trial. Do it and do it today. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, I want to go back to your assessment of 2026. Walk us through that. In light of the, in the framework this color revolution and this is what I've been telling people. This is so much more serious and so much deeper than you can imagine. And folks, this is why today I said in Politico the old politics is dead, right? It's dead, it's burning down in front of us. And if you don't believe what we've been telling you from the right, just look at what's happening on the left. They don't, they're not prepared for for it. The Democratic establishment that you've been after forever is, they're making it irrelevant. When Michael Bennett can't win a and leaves the Senate to run the governor, he thinks it's going to be a layup and he's defeated. And you're going to see much, much more of that. You're going to have DSA inspired candidates all over like in Michigan for the Senate run, et cetera. So the old politics is burning down in front of us and the consulting class, obviously the Republican Party and the establishment, they don't want to change it. They still think it's raising money. That money gives you advantage. And you see in Cornyn's situation in Paxton, $150 million versus what, 15? It's just not a comparison. It's authenticity and inspiring people to go out and spread your message.
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Natalie Winters
Well, I also think too that if our side doesn't get our act together in terms of actually getting retribution, justice, take your pick. Not just putting out these strongly worded letters or these. These kind of botched prosecutions, like the next Bannon. That name's already on a whiteboard somewhere. You know, there's already a list of
- [31:41]
Steve Bannon
who they're going to have, who's gonna go to prison.
- [31:43]
Natalie Winters
And if we don't cut the head off that snake, metaphorically, it will come back with such a vengeance, and it's not going to just be you.
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Steve Bannon
But this is what you know cash. And you know Cash. He's been with us forever. But I'm all over cash. We don't need the FBI statistics. We need purple. We need to go back to your book, which we made a film of government gangsters, and we need to take the top hundred and why are they not purple? Work you've done, I think, the best serious investigative work about Fauci. I mean, you've proven categorically this guy is in bed with the Chinese Communist Party. You're ripping apart of the group that did the research, that Leslie Stahl did a softball.
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Natalie Winters
Peter Daschak, Peter Dawshock, all these guys
- [32:27]
Steve Bannon
should be in prison. And this is why I think it is frustration. And that's going to lead to fewer votes. There is a percentage of the MAGA movement that is just going to sit there and go, I didn't see perp walks. You had every opportunity. I didn't see them, and I'm over it.
- [32:43]
Natalie Winters
Yeah. I mean, I think the sentiment that a lot of people post 2020 where they felt like their vote didn't matter, so they didn't show up to vote in 2022, you will see that on mass scale if nothing actually happens with the administration, because it's like, well, why even vote right if the president can't put literal Anthony Fauci in prison? And by the way, it's not like we need a rogue firing squad, you know.
- [33:06]
Steve Bannon
Oh, but he's kind of said, I need this stuff dealt with. It's the apparatus around him, you know, and this is why hopefully Todd gets endorsed. But doj, I think, is going to a transformation now, Cash at the FBI. But these things were kind of at that limit that people need to see. We are burning daylight, and they need to see action to say, okay, I understand, maybe I'm not going to get a conviction before November, but I see
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Natalie Winters
this make their lives a little more difficult. How about that? Maybe make it so Anthony Fauci, like, can't get a book deal and grift and go on tour and say all these things and run around like he was the best you know, administrator of the pandemic ever. But I also think that incumbent on the administration and everyone involved is saying the deep state is no longer a viable cop out. Because at this point, if you are still blamed, you know, the courts are gonna knock stuff down. You know, the judges are rogue. So we need to evolve. Like, you don't win just by saying, oh, it was really difficult, so we couldn't do this. You need to change your strategy. You can't just sit there and keep blaming the same things. We know it's how it's. We know how it's gonna go down. You need to shift the strategy. And what I think frustrates me. I'm sure you, as someone who went to prison, you were the poster child for all of this. It's like they can put people who literally did nothing wrong in prison for non crimes, even when their case is not done. A felony, you know, it gets reversed later.
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Steve Bannon
Misdemeanor, and then it gets reversed. Gets reversed later.
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Natalie Winters
That's a really interesting interpretation of the rule of law that I would love to hear normizen expound upon. I'm really intrigued. But then you have these people who committed so many crimes, financial, I mean, like crimes against humanity, like genocidal pandemics, negligence, fraud, government tax dollars, funding Chinese military. I mean, take your pick. And you can't even make a case off of. I'm not saying make up evidence. I'm not saying as, what is it the fake Washington Post, Georgia story? You know, go find the ballots. You don't need to do that. And I think that is what is so frustrating about so many of these instances. And it's not, it's not just Fauci. Like there's dozens, hundreds, thousands of people who find maybe you don't get all the way to a criminal trial, but think about the hell that this show was put through in the Biden years. I mean, systemically banned, deep platform sponsors lost. You went to prison. Like, every time I would do interviews when I was at the White House and people would look at me like I was a zoo animal and they're like, why do you. What are you doing here? Why do you believe what you believe? You think the government is weaponized? Like what I was like, look at my lived experience. My boss went to prison for four months for doing nothing. Have you heard of Eric Holder? Did he go to prison? No. And by the way, that's on top of the show literally being like blacklisted, shut down, banned, sent. Every verb in the book. That is A synonym for that. And I just don't see us doing the same. And frankly part of the problem is bringing into the tent these horrible America last globalist just creepy corporations. I'm talking about Meadow. Yeah. Mark Zuckerberg's MAGA now. Okay. Like even remember in the early days when they were putting out all their cringe press releases where they were talking about how, you know, we're not going to do fact checking anymore. And first of all they didn't actually apologize, they didn't actually admit that any of these programs existed. Right. They were just like look at sleight of hand, look at this. Like we're gonna make free speech really important. It's all deception. And it makes me sad sometimes when I think the leaders of our movement have such low standards and like such low self respect and they'll just Glover, they're just sell out for cash, like take your place pick. But we've really filled like the, the tent with a lot of people who are not on our side and I think that that makes it really difficult. I mean how about this?
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Steve Bannon
Well, they're the first. They were the ones that came in after 10 o' clock at night on the 3rd of November after we won. And they're going to be the first out on this. If trends continue, right. And we don't hold the house, particularly we don't hold the house, it's going to be hell to pay. They will be the first people off the bus to make sure that they're not subpoenaed by a new radicalized Democratic house.
- [37:32]
Natalie Winters
And I also think it's worth making the point too. Like take Zuckerberg for example, right? He's had his conversion of shareholder maximization of profit that he suddenly is MAGA now. And it's like all of the entities that these tech oligarch types, but really, I mean just the broader left set up. Sure, Zuckerberg doesn't fund those groups anymore, but he gave these groups hundreds of millions of dollars and spun them up. And these are the same groups that are still actively sabotaging the election today. The center for. I think it's election integrity. I'll get the name. It's in the new substack I put up. But this group which is run by literally all former Obama era DOJ election officials, they are coordinating lawfare war rooms right now, not just for pre election and election day but for like 60 days post election to be working with people on the ground.
- [38:28]
Steve Bannon
Let's get, can we get the substack up? Let's go through this systematically because the substack has to be read.
- [38:33]
Natalie Winters
We get granular in the war.
- [38:35]
Steve Bannon
No, but you're, you're, you're laying out the battle plan that is in existence. These people are serious people. You may hate them, you may think their policies are ridiculous. It doesn't matter. They are very. This is why they come at it with a Marxist, almost Bolshevik.
- [38:51]
Natalie Winters
They want you to read this because they don't want you to see how serious they are. They want you to look at them as the Fox News trope of ha ha ha. These people want sex changes for immigrant prisoners. Yes, they do, but that's just to appeal to the craziest of the crazy. And they're based, these people are very serious, sane. Yes, the people that tried to assassinate President Trump and kill Charlie Kirk were not mentally ill.
- [39:13]
Steve Bannon
Yes.
- [39:14]
Natalie Winters
Like don't get that wrong. Yes, they were very with it.
- [39:17]
Steve Bannon
Repeat that.
- [39:18]
Natalie Winters
The people who have tried repeatedly to assassinate President Trump and the people who killed Charlie Kirk assassinate were not mentally ill.
- [39:26]
Steve Bannon
Yes.
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Natalie Winters
They were living out the left's strategy. And take, take this one for example. Let's put the one of Executive override. How do you like that term? Executive override. So this is by Project Democracy, which is founded by one of Obama's top legal guys. They're basically staffed to the brim with Obama people and they put out this long, long, long 40 page report called Executive Override, talking about how President Trump is going to deny the election results, rig the election. And they basically create all these categories, whether it's journalists, lawyers, authors, professors, people in the media, elected officials, the candidates themselves. They're like eight step action plan of what to do in the lead up to the election, on election day and post election, which the buried lead there is that they're already expecting the red mirage type scenario.
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Steve Bannon
They have a go back to the Richmond. This is back to 2020 when they had the regimeraj and the blue wave and all that. They told us in advance exactly how they were going to.
- [40:23]
Natalie Winters
And then the ballot dumps keep coming in. And I've always said, as much as I love the Save America act and I think it's important to verify citizenship status for voting. The bigger threat I think to stolen elections is not so much the numerator of votes, right? Like total votes cast, it's the denominator because they can see how many votes are cast and then they just find more. So then the denominator expands. It's Nevada, the Pratt ballot dunks where apparently you can get ballots from homeless people there. And all of a sudden there's you know, 8,000 homeless people and they all conveniently voted for Bass. So that's, that's what's I think important to look at. The other thing that I've seen a real uptick in is going after Gen Z and the youth activism stuff, which I think is a very interesting answer. They saw obviously how successful Turning Point was. There's a picture of The Gen Z1 we can put up. I want to read verbatim joint efforts to fight back against disinformation by reporting disinformation and volunteering for different organizations. Report election misinformation. If you see content that could mislead or suppress voters, use this cheat sheet from Asian Americans Advancing justice to help you identify and report it across major platforms. They go on to list all these bullet points, training students, high school too, how to basically report anything they see
- [41:38]
Steve Bannon
that this is in the classroom. This is a typical Bolshevik thing to put fear. Yes, it's the lives of others. It's the Stasi in East Germany, right?
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Natalie Winters
And ACLU. They're investing more than $24.5 million and their largest ever election safeguarding initiative, this one. You can put up the five phase plan by the group whose new strategy is making it too big to rig. But they have phase one, align the movement with their 200 groups. Phase two, build early momentum. Phase three, get out the vote. Phase four, counter vote. Phase five, secure the results. They have like tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal, but just one sample. You know so much of this isn't disclosed is 3.15 million to align and coordinate the democracy defense ecosystem. $450,000 to to train volunteers, poll monitors, election administrators and organizational staff. $320,000 to pre bunk false election narratives. $290,000 for surround sound state specific messaging. 1.57 million to build youth power. More millions more millions more millions more. They're creating state based creator cohorts in Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina to push geographically specific narratives. And they're mobilizing thousands of students, establishing campus organizing hubs to serve as rapid response centers. That is one of several dozens of left wing groups that have millions if not tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal that all convene to create this like NGO political war room. And by the way the end game of this is not the ngo, so it's law. I know we're running out of time, but in Maryland they have a new law where you can be criminally or civilly held responsible for posting election misinformation online. They can get injunction against you take it down and it's. It's just content that is misleading about elections. I mean, what does that mean? That's statute. It's SB, I think 141. That's the end game. You see it all come together. It's. It's censorship criminalized. It criminalized fighting, turning out the vote. And it's expanding the denominator with.
- [43:35]
Steve Bannon
Here's the whole thing about accessibility. Gotta make elections accessible. Hang on.
- [43:38]
Natalie Winters
Maybe not.
- [43:39]
Steve Bannon
Natalie. Winners in the war under a muggy hot day in July. Back in a moment.
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Natalie Winters
May we always be the home of the brave and the land of the free. For every battle, blood was lost. God bless America.
- [44:05]
Steve Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Mike Lindell
Okay.
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Steve Bannon
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Natalie Winters
Where do I begin, by the way? You got to give me a little time to talk about your anniversary. I know you don't like talking about.
- [45:27]
Steve Bannon
No, no, we'll come back.
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Mike Lindell
We'll come back.
- [45:28]
Steve Bannon
We'll come back and do. It's not about that. It's about the current work. I just wanted.
- [45:33]
Natalie Winters
This is what this is. Was pitched out.
- [45:37]
Steve Bannon
You bid on it, you said. And now the whole thing I've got. You're doing your work.
- [45:41]
Natalie Winters
Thank me for. Okay, fine. No, thank you.
- [45:44]
Steve Bannon
By putting you to work.
- [45:45]
Natalie Winters
So that's what you've Been doing honor of a lifetime. Well, this is where I was going in the beginning of, you know, when you set out to take Vienna, you take Vienna. And taking Vienna means getting serious. Equally serious, frankly. Outmatching, overmatching the level of seriousness that the left has when it comes to mobilizing around elections. And I know it's really frustrating for this audience to hear because our audience is better than their audience. You guys knock more doors. You're better than all the Mom Donnie volunteers combined. It's just that our establishment is working against us and they're not supportive and they're guzzling up all the money to actually do effective things. And that's what's really frustrating. They also treat our enemies unseriously. And like, this audience gets it. And I'm always inclined to bring up the example of what you did, this audience did down in Texas. It wasn't like the RNC or establishment Republicans.
- [46:38]
Steve Bannon
Oh, no. Work against it. Worked against it.
- [46:39]
Natalie Winters
Were like, hey, how about, here's an idea. Let's not like Islamify Texas. Radical idea. But that wasn't even welcomed with open arms.
- [46:50]
Steve Bannon
Oh, no, it's fucked, right?
- [46:52]
Natalie Winters
And it's like, stuff like that is politically salient and palpable because not. Not because it is politically palpable, because it's demagoguery or it's like this Mamdani, you know, distraction socialist tactics because we live in America. I don't want to live in Riyadh. I don't want to live in Qatar, especially not right now. I really don't live in Iran.
- [47:11]
Steve Bannon
They can't sell you on a place of being an influencer in Dubai with joke.
- [47:16]
Natalie Winters
Definitely not. I don't like the Shahid drones. Although that's probably not the scariest part about being an influencer in Dubai. The Shaheed drones, probably child's play.
- [47:26]
Steve Bannon
I think it's the crowd that's down in Dubai is the scariest thing.
- [47:29]
Natalie Winters
Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, there's just a. I mean, I put out a substack story, I think two ago. It was talking about how they have these social justice summer camps where one of the classes is learning how to burn an effigy, teaching kids how to beat opposition by doing that. But it's not just that they're paying the kids to attend stipends of hundreds of dollars. This is so, so well organized. And I just wish that our elites would recognize that and also deploy a bit more cash. I don't really. MAGA Inc. Has so much money on hand. I'm not sure. What's going on there?
- [48:05]
Steve Bannon
Going for TV spots. Substack. How do we get to the substack? Social media, all of it.
- [48:09]
Natalie Winters
Nataliegwinters.substack.com But, Steve, you. No, you're such a hero and you created a movement and a show that was able to exist even when you were in prison.
- [48:22]
Steve Bannon
You know why? The one thing I've done is given a platform to people like you.
- [48:25]
Natalie Winters
But you know what, Steve? In this town, and a lot of people don't do that, and that is one of, I think, your most wonderful just skills, aptitudes and just shows. I know you like to act tough, but you're very kind and you are so good at building up people, ecosystems, and frankly, movements. You only won the 2016 election and we did have the greatest candidate, but it's true. And thank you for going to prison. I know the audience, they all can't individually thank you. So from the bottom of my heart and their heart, thank you for doing that. Because you showed them that Lawfare may work, but it doesn't work.
- [48:58]
Steve Bannon
You're one of the young leaders this. And I keep telling you, you're not gonna have Trump forever. He's unique. He helped save. He saved this republic. And we gotta maximize what we're here. And read, read her substack. And realize we're not serious about this right now. And they are. Mike Lindell, you were serious. You drove all the way across from Fargo, all the way to Maduro. It looked amazing. And of course, they didn't really show the crowd the president had, which is enormous. Have you recovered? And tell us about the specials. Of course, we love your sojourns running for governor, but what we really want is what's your deals and what are you cutting us?
- [49:33]
Mike Lindell
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Steve Bannon
We'll see you this afternoon. Mike, thank you so much. The Charlie Kirk show with Andrew. Corvette follows us. Poso Steve Gruber, Eric bowling all the be doing the handoff with bowling today. We'll see you then. Natalie, thank you so much. Appreciate your. We're number two on the charts and we're number three in the new.