Episode 5497: Farage Steps Down; Platner Accused Of Rape

Summary

Bannon's War Room Ep. 5497: Farage Steps Down; Platner Accused Of Rape

Date: July 7, 2026 | Host: Stephen K. Bannon

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Episode Overview

In this packed War Room episode, Stephen K. Bannon and guests dive into three major news stories dominating American and international headlines:

1. New rape allegations against political candidate Graham Platner – A detailed segment on due diligence in political vetting, media standards, and the status of the allegations.
2. Nigel Farage’s dramatic resignation and by-election announcement in the UK – Direct commentary from Farage explaining his decision and vision.
3. Ongoing preliminary hearing in the high-profile assassination of Charlie Kirk – Legal analysis, discussion of courtroom evidence, and broader implications for justice and public transparency.

The show also touches on issues around birthright citizenship, Senator Mitch McConnell’s health, and the cultural influence of American citizenship and exceptionalism, blending hard news with cultural and political commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Platner Rape Allegations and Media Responsibility

(00:00–05:24)

• Wave of Allegations:
  Multiple allegations of sexual misconduct against Graham Platner prompt scrutiny about candidate vetting and fitness for office.

  • "[Platner] is not a candidate who was ready for primetime in on any stretch of the imagination."
    — Political Commentator (00:52)
  • Discussion highlights persistent polling drops in Platner’s support following each round of allegations and emphasizes increased expectations for withdrawal if new claims emerge.

• Media Standards & Vetting:
  Interview with an investigative journalist unpacks how Politico vetted the story in the absence of a police report:

  • Confirmation that the story relied on contemporaneous therapy emails, witness corroboration, and a detailed narrative, but acknowledges inability to fully authenticate certain key DMs.
  • "There is no police report in this case...but we found ultimately the number of corroborating pieces of evidence to support her story."
    — Investigative Journalist (02:31)

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2. Mitch McConnell's Health Mystery

(05:24–06:31)

• Reporting reveals the lack of transparency on Senator McConnell’s health, referencing NYT coverage suggesting he may have suffered a cardiac arrest.
• Raises urgent questions about public accountability and governmental stability as updates remain vague.
• "There’s been no confirmation from McConnell’s office as to whether or not the senator is even currently conscious."
  — News Anchor (05:24)

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3. Farage’s Resignation and British By-Election Drama

(06:31–08:08; 09:00–09:25, 37:37–37:39, 41:45–41:53)

• Farage's Own Statement:
  In a highly personal segment, Nigel Farage explains his decision to resign as MP for Clacton and to stand in the coming by-election for reform.
  • "It was the final straw. Enough is enough...I’ve done nothing wrong...the people of Clacton should be the judges of my actions. This will be a people versus the establishment by-election."
    — Nigel Farage (06:31)

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4. Birthright Citizenship & National Identity Controversy

(08:08–12:09)

• Bannon and guests launch into a heated discussion on the U.S. soccer player Folarin Balogun as an "anchor baby,” and what that means for American national identity.
• Contrasting perspectives:
  • Bannon: “If you got to go around the world and get foreigners to play for the team, then it’s not an American national team. Sorry, not sorry, anchor baby.” (08:19)
  • Counterpoint from a news anchor: “We are a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of birthright citizens. And that rules.” (12:09)
• Discussion highlights the Supreme Court’s recent affirmation of birthright citizenship and its cultural impacts.

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5. The Charlie Kirk Assassination Preliminary Hearing

(12:09–34:33; 44:28–51:05)

Courtroom Drama & Legal Analysis

• Eyewitness & Forensics Testimony (12:09–15:00):

  • Reports from court include emotional moments, with the widow Erica Kirk leaving during graphic evidence about the sniper’s position.
  • “He saw one building that had a flat roof...he actually went to that building, climbed up, jumped over the railing, and it was a gravel roof on that building.”
    — Interviewer (13:53)

• Prelim vs. Trial (16:39–23:12):

  • Bannon and criminal attorney Wendy Patrick explain Utah law—this hearing determines only probable cause for prosecution, not guilt.
  • “It’s not a trial. What it is is a preliminary examination where the judge only has to find...that there’s enough evidence to proceed to trial...there’s a far less burden of proof.”
    — Wendy Patrick (19:09)

• Objections, Evidence Standards, and Public Scrutiny (21:29–24:43):

  • High frequency of objections makes proceedings “difficult for the audience to follow.”
    — Wendy Patrick (21:29)
  • Discussion of struggles over admitting video evidence, potential controversies (“doctoring” vs. “enhancing”), and the need for unedited footage for the court.

• Case Timeline & Next Steps (23:12–34:33):

  • Anticipation that trial wouldn’t happen for a year due to volume of motions, evidence wrangling, and complexity as a death penalty case.

• Bannon on Stakes:

  • “We can’t have a situation...where we can have kind of doubts...We have to nail this one. You have to stick the landing here.” (20:16)
  • “It’s incumbent upon this audience to keep an open mind here and actually act like you’re the grand jury—at the end of the week, we’ll make sure that somehow we get polling from you guys or feedback.” (29:53)

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6. Historical Perspective & Book Spotlight

(34:41–41:31)

• Eric Metaxas discusses his book, “Revolution,” setting the Kirk assassination trial in the context of America’s revolutionary legacy.
  • Metaxas clarifies the often-misunderstood timeline of the Declaration of Independence and the British invasion of New York.
  • “What happened, of course, was on July 4th, they voted to accept the Declaration...So it fools us into thinking what happened July 4th.”
    — Eric Metaxas (35:04)
• Bannon invites listeners to treat knowledge of these events as “mandatory beach reading” for America’s 250th.

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7. American Cultural Power & Billboard Success

(41:31–43:09)

• Celebration of "One Nation" reaching #6 on the Billboard charts.
  • “It’s a remarkable accomplishment...It’s amazing.”
    — Stephen K. Bannon (41:54)
• Listeners are encouraged to support the song as a show of cultural force, much like with Metaxas’s book.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Platner Scandal:
  • “The fact that there’s so much on the women, when clearly this is, you know, multiple women, multiple allegations, is just very upsetting.”
    — Political Commentator (01:45)
• On Birthright Citizenship:
  • “Flo Baligan is American, and that is a wonderful thing. But there’s a deeper point here...We are a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of birthright citizens. And that rules.”
    — News Anchor (12:09)
• On Kirk Assassination Investigation:
  • “You are essentially sitting in a grand jury. This, this preliminary hearing, evidentiary hearing is taking the place of a grand jury out in Utah.”
    — Stephen K. Bannon (16:39)
• On American History:
  • “When I was doing the research, I was fascinated about how much we don’t understand about what actually happened...So it fools us into thinking what happened July 4th.”
    — Eric Metaxas (35:04)
• On the Power of the War Room Audience:
  • “You, this audience, have moved the needle on the biggest cultural things.”
    — Stephen K. Bannon (42:24)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Platner Accusations & Media Vetting: 00:00–05:24
• McConnell Health Concerns: 05:24–06:31
• Farage Statement on Resignation: 06:31–08:08
• Birthright Citizenship Debate: 08:08–12:09
• Kirk Assassination Courtroom Update: 12:09–34:33 (with legal analysis continuing 44:28–51:05)
• Eric Metaxas on American Revolution History: 34:41–41:31
• One Nation Billboard #6 Celebration: 41:31–43:09

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Tone & Language

• The show maintains Bannon’s confrontational, populist energy, with pointed criticism of political adversaries, sharp skepticism toward legacy media, and an “us versus them” framing on major controversies.
• Legal experts speak in clear, accessible terms to educate War Room’s audience on complex judicial procedures.
• Interviews with Farage and Metaxas are direct and personal, highlighting individual agency and historical perspective.

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Summary & Conclusion

This dense episode of War Room weaves together urgent political scandal, legal spectacle, national identity, and revolutionary legacy. Bannon centers his audience as the de facto jury on issues from courtroom evidence to cultural debates, leveraging guest experts and direct commentary to foster engagement and sustained scrutiny. The stakes, whether in a Utah courtroom or a Clacton by-election, are framed as existential, high-drama, and profoundly consequential for the American—and, at moments, British—political future.

Transcript

[Political Commentator]

I mean, it's one thing to have one, you know, to have this first tranche. Remember, there were. There was an earlier group of women, and now this is yet another tranche of allegations. And I think that, you know, when you look at the polling on this, I just was looking at a poll that said 75% of people said that if there were more allegations, he should drop out. And I think this constant stream, and even you see the polling for him since the last batch of allegations, numbers have gone down. I do think, like, look, I'm baffled that the vet and the vetting process for this candidate, number one. I mean, this is just, you know, the fact that they're just constant, you know, allegations, I think really is a sign that there just was not proper vetting here. And, you know, you may again align with him politically, but the truth is, like, this is not a candidate who was ready for primetime in on any stretch of the imagination. And Democrats have, you know, there's a feeling in the party that candidates like this are not for the party. And, you know, there has been a backlash to me, too, but it has not been like this. The other thing I would say is, is that clearly this is a person who has. Who, you know, at least from these allegations, that when drinking, does not remember their behavior. That's what all these allegations say. So another reason why, how. I don't know how we got here, but this 20, this 17th, July 13th deadline seems to be key. And I think you see a person who is really coming forward when there's still time for him to drop out, which I think is also shows that there's some feeling of, like, this was just what she had to do. And. And the fact that there's so much on the women, when clearly this is, you know, multiple women, multiple allegations, is just very upsetting.

[Interviewer]

Not a police report. Correct. Correct me if I'm wrong. And there's not a legal case playing out here for due process to see itself through. So my question to you, given the very high standards Politico has before they write something like this and publish it, what aspects of this story brought it to the level of publishable?

[Investigative Journalist]

Yeah, you're correct here, Mika. There is no police report in this case. We spent a lot of time talking to Jenny, you know, asking her for corroborating evidence. She shared that she had confided into a number of people, including her therapist, in almost real time. And we reviewed email exchanges between she and her therapist, referring to what she called this, the sexual assault. And her therapist sort of acknowledging that this is. This had happened to her. We talked to people who she confided in in the months after this happened. We asked her why she didn't file a police report. And she described sort of the insular nature of where she lives in her corner of Maine that she shares with Graham Platner. And she debated sort of how to handle this. And we found ultimately the number of Cooper pieces of evidence to support her story in a way that we could report it.

[Interviewer]

So what are some of those corroborating pieces of evidence? So you've got conversations with her therapist and people who she confided in, any conversations with Graham Platner at the time of it where she said, because apparently as part of this story, she says she even confirmed to him that this was not consent. Do you have that? What do you have that actually connects this literally, Graham Plotner to raping this victim?

[Investigative Journalist]

Yeah, she reached out to him the day after via Instagram and essentially, you know, told him that, you know, she didn't want to hear from again. She told him that morning as well. And, you know, we looked at messages that she had sent to others in the months after this happened through.

[Interviewer]

You were able to see those DMs.

[Investigative Journalist]

She tried to recover those DMs. We did not. We were not able to review those dms, but she described them to us. We also, long before he was a public, before he was a political candidate, we saw her essentially explain to others that he was, quote, in her words, consensually careless, end quote. And. Right.

[Interviewer]

But were you able to see the interactions between Graham Platner and this alleged victim? Did you actually physically see them? Did she produce them for you?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

She was.

[Investigative Journalist]

She attempted to uncover them. She. But was unable to.

[News Anchor]

Welcome back. There are growing questions this morning about the health of Republican Senator Mitch McConnell. The Kentucky lawmaker was admitted to the hospital more than three weeks ago, back on June 14th. But his office has only released some vague updates on his condition since then. The latest one from last Thursday states that McConnell, quote, continues to improve, but it offers no specifics about why he was hospitalized, nor the type of treatment he's receiving. There's also been no confirmation from McConnell's office as to whether or not the senator is even currently conscious. The New York Times reports that on the morning that McConnell was taken to the hospital, in their words, emergency responders reported performing CPR on an unconscious individual undergoing cardiac arrest at the senator's Washington address. That's according to recordings of dispatcher calls that were widely Reported by news outlets last week and obtained by the New York Times. The recordings do not name McConnell as the individual. We should just note that I think this is a storyline that's going to trigger more and more questions in the days ahead.

[UK Politician]

It was the final straw. Enough is enough. And I thought over the weekend, what shall I do? I could go out and try and make some real big money. I could go to the USA where I've got plenty of offers. And then I thought, why should I be judged today or in history in the future by Sky News and Mayor Ilchester? Why should they be the people that decide my fate when, as I repeat, I've done nothing wrong. I've thought about it hard and I've decided today. Today I will resign as a Member of Parliament for Clacton on sea, thereby forcing a by election which should happen, I hope, in short order. Now I've decided that the people of Clacton should be the judges of my actions. This will be a people versus the establishment by election. It's a chance to stick two fingers up to the entire establishment, to frankly tell them where to go. And that is why I will be putting my name forward to stand in this by election. I will fight to win. I will fight to continue the political revolution that reform has started. And I would say this to you, the voters of Clacton, if I win, you win. Because if I lose, they win. And we will never, with the two old parties, get the type of fundamental change that we need to fix. Broken Britain.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I don't want to hear all these soccer Britons. Hey, bottom line, the guy is Nigerian. They moved to London, so he's an Englishman. But they came here to have an anchor baby.

[Wendy Patrick]

Boom.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

She was seven months pregnant. Shouldn't be on the team. Oh, you can't say that we're going to lose. Well, then put Americans in. If you lose to the Americans, then you lose. With Americans, you're giving it that. You're giving it an effort with Americans. If you got to go around the world and get foreigners to play for the team, then it's not an American national team. Sorry, not sorry, anchor baby.

[News Anchor]

But here's the thing. If you go a little deeper, you hit the wildest part of the story. Something I have just been savoring all weekend, which is that the player at the center of the storm, Volleran Baligan, he is essentially an accidental American.

[UK Politician]

My journey to teams a little bit unique.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

My mom always told me the story

[News Anchor]

growing up, but I never really paid it any mind.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

She came to the US to visit

[UK Politician]

her sister, and she had her return

[News Anchor]

ticket, but then they said that she was too pregnant.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So I was born in New York, but grew up in London.

[News Anchor]

Grew up in London. You hear that accent? That's not a Brooklyn accent. In other words, the best player on the US Team, the one that we're all hoping plays and kicks, but is a United States citizen by virtue of one thing and one thing only, and that is having been born here and being born here makes you a citizen clear as day in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, passed after the Civil War, a constitutional right the Trump administration has tried tooth and nail to erase and tried to erase at the Supreme Court just a week ago and failed. In fact, Flo Baligan situation is exactly, exactly, precisely the same sort of very rare edge case that MAGA has absolutely lost their minds about in the wake of that loss of the Supreme Court, to the point they are now trying to call women like Baligan's mother a scourge on American society. They need to get moving and start deporting people as fast as possible, starting with birthing aged women, the birthing persons, as the Democrats call it. If a person comes here nine months pregnant to go look around at some things in a couple of weeks, that is the mother of a lifetime American citizen and a direct line into American cash and welfare for the rest of that child's life. Look, if you're pregnant and you're from

[Stephen K. Bannon]

a foreign nation, you know what? It's time for Congress to pass a law to say you can't come here.

[News Anchor]

I wonder if there's any examples out there of the unique advantages that birthright citizenship might confer on a society. I wonder if there's any benefits to having a country like that where it's just clear as day, if you're born here, you're a citizen.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Oh, look at that.

[News Anchor]

Thank you, soccer gods. Here's one right there on the soccer pitch. Flo Baligan is American, and that is a wonderful thing. But there's a deeper point here, right? Just not just about the accident of his birth being here and him being an American. Right. For the same reason that international players make the NBA, for instance, a better basketball league and MLB a better baseball league. And educational and work visas mean more brilliant EHDs and engineers and doctors and caretakers and people who do hundreds of jobs that are important, that we rely on, from first responders to essential workers. Remember that category, web developers here in America. Yeah. It's a simple, dumb, obvious point of what is truly exceptional about our nation. It used to be just like a cliche that we all just knew in school, but somehow has really been lost in so much of the immigration discourse. We are a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of birthright citizens. And that rules.

[Interviewer]

What are you expecting and what did you see happen yesterday? Well, first of all, the roommate, pivotal witness for the prosecution, because there were texts between them. Actually, Tyler Robinson calls the roommate my love. But when after, in the aftermath, the roommate gave all the texts to law enforcement, which are exceptional, very incriminating. Yesterday, packed courtroom. Erica Kirk was in that courtroom, the widow of Charlie Kirk. His parents were in the courtroom. Tyler Robinson's parents were in the courtroom. Opposite sides, of course. But then Donald Trump Jr walks in and there were no public statements. Nothing was ever said publicly. He silently was there in the front row with the, with the, with the family, the Kirk family. But when the proceedings started and Erica Kirk knew she was not going to stay in that courtroom when anything was mentioned, the judge started and the first witness was called Christopher Bagley. He was the officer from the Utah Valley University. He was in an elevated position when the event started at 12:00 noon. He witnessed the shot. And the moment he was about to just describe the shot, Erica just jumped up and she just walked out and she didn't want to hear it. He went on to say that after the shot that he looked at all the buildings at the university and he saw one building that had a flat roof. And he thought that's got to be the vantage point. And this is a university, there's so many buildings all over. He actually went to that building, climbed up, jumped over the railing, and it was a gravel roof on that building. Listen to his testimony of what happened he saw once he got up on that gravel roof.

[Colby]

Officer, upon seeing this disturbance in the gravel, you've described what it looked like to you, someone lying down in a prone position, correct?

[Investigative Journalist]

Yes.

[News Anchor]

At that moment I realized because it

[Stephen K. Bannon]

was direct line of sight plus the

[News Anchor]

disturbance in the gravel, or I could

[Stephen K. Bannon]

see somebody laid down in a prone

[News Anchor]

position or a sniper position and asked

[Stephen K. Bannon]

dispatch to get on the to. Then I realized that we probably didn't

[News Anchor]

have our shooter in custody.

[Interviewer]

They had arrested someone right off, right very close in time, and they realized this is not the person. And so he documented with photographs the gravel. He said he could see an arm, two arms that were there, indentations in the gravel. And then state forensics photographer came later that night and took some more pictures. Then it came to the point there were so many videos because there was a whole crowd shooting. So they started to have need to play the videos of the actual shot. And they were so graphic the judge did not allow the courtroom to see them. But the judge alone watched the videos. And the first one was that shot. We believe it was a close up. And I want you to watch.

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[Wendy Patrick]

That's exactly right. So yes, Steve, it's not a trial. What it is is a preliminary examination where the judge only has to find we keep hearing the term probable cause that there's enough evidence to proceed to trial. Now having said that there's a far less burden of proof is the first thing obviously. But what you're seeing, what you saw yesterday and what I imagine we'll see all week long is both sides are really being meticulous about the evidence. They either introduce if you're the prosecutor or object if you are the defense. That's one of the reasons we saw so many objections. But you are correct. The prosecution doesn't have to be provide Everything they intend to provide at trial. But enough. And they're going to err on the side of caution because this case has been so widely publicized. Charlie Kirk is such a beloved figure. So many people are watching this. They don't want to make any mistakes. And the defense on their end wants to make sure they don't miss any objections, that they need to preserve the record for appeal. So that's why it's taking as long as it is. And I would imagine you're gonna see more of the same today. Except, Steve, we are going to see some very different evidence today.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I just want to know. Charlie was such an important figure. Of course, he had the 12 o' clock show here for years, which we tossed to. But more than that, he was such an important figure on the American cultural and political scene. And obviously a young man who I think people said, this guy could be president, United States one day. We can't have a situation, I don't believe, where we can have kind of doubts. You can have. We can't do a Warren Commission totally gun decked. We can't have a situation like with the grassy knoll. We have to nail this one. You have to stick the landing here. And so people should be very meticulous. Now what I will say is that on both sides there are a ton of people have gone through. And yesterday you heard running commentary. And I think that commentary is healthy. I think it's got to continue on. This is going to take at least all week. Wendy, remind people there's seven charges here and the defense is going to go for a sweeping, you know, hey, you really don't have anything. It doesn't tie together like yesterday in the autopsy. Correct me if I'm wrong. The objection. So that it made, I think it made it very difficult even for the audience to kind of, to kind of find that correct, to kind of follow it correct.

[Wendy Patrick]

It does. It makes it very difficult for the audience to follow it because as soon as they're getting into it and enjoying the narrative and they're anticipating seeing the evidence, there's an objection and the evidence is delayed. But you know, we always say justice delayed is not justice denied. In a case like this where you've got all week for the prosecutor to be able to cure any defect that the judge sees. And that's one of the reasons, I think you saw as many objections yesterday as you did. Because one of the things they're looking at is how do you make every bit of evidence authentic? Remember a preliminary hearing, you don't have to show everything. But what you do show, you have to make sure it is absolutely acceptable. It has to be relevant, reliable, admissible. It has to be something that can be published to the media. Remember, this is televised despite and over the defense objection. That's what a lot of litigation leading up to yesterday was about. They wanted to close the hearing to the press and the public. But because it's open, one thing that both sides are very careful about is you have to make sure things are displayed in a fashion that if they're not supposed to be published to the media, they can't be seen on anybody's computer screen. Remember, we actually took a break yesterday in the courtroom in order to do some staging, some reconfiguration to ensure that evidence that wasn't yet admissible to the public didn't inadvertently get to be seen. So we are eventually, hopefully starting today, going to be able to see more of a flow of some of the evidence. But it's only going to be when we finally get to trial that we're going to have sort of an objection free presentation of the timeline because the jury is going to hold it against the defense if they do what they're doing now and simply objecting to every piece of evidence.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

When you say trial, let's say, let's say at least some of the charges go forward. A trial here wouldn't be for at least another year. Correct.

[Wendy Patrick]

I hope it doesn't take that long. But you are correct in that that's the kind of a timeline in a death penalty case like this one. However, I would say that we're at a preliminary hearing, maybe in less time than it would often take in a death penalty case of this magnitude. So you can see I'm a little bit optimistic. But you're right. You know, between now and a year from now, for example, when it goes to trial, there's going to be a lot of strategy, a lot of rethinking strategy that occurs as a result not only of what the judge will have.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Won't they throw up, particularly in a death penalty, Won't they throw up a million motions? The judge will have to do have to deal with motion after motion after motion. Won't that be one of the defense strategies here?

[Wendy Patrick]

Absolutely. And that's one of the reasons that you anticipate about a year towards starting trial, because in the interim you have time for all of those motions. You have time for different case strategy, and sometimes you have more motions brought sooner rather than later because the results of those motions are Going to determine how each side prepares for trial. If certain things are read admissible, nobody's going to spend any time on them. You might have a different line of defense. If certain things are going to be admissible, you're going to have to regroup. So, yes, there's going to be a lot of litigation between now and the trial date, so they can hit the ground running and won't need any delays

[Stephen K. Bannon]

with the text yesterday. Let's talk about the videos. There was this controversy and the people that are online and have a lot of skepticism, and they have a number, I think, lawyers looking at this, you know, constantly giving constant updates to their commentary and what they're seeing on the. On the television. Talk to me what this. What was this issue about the videos? Right. We had the clip there from mainstream media that showed the judge, I guess, flinching. Wasn't there some controversy about the videos that they had. They had doctored the video somehow to, like, make make the suspect clearer, but they had actually destroyed the underlying videos. Is that how you took it? Am I wrong in that?

[Wendy Patrick]

Well, partially correct. And the whole first part of that is absolutely correct. What you have in a lot of cases like this is sometimes you have to. I won't say doctor, a video, but you refine a video in order to hear it better, see it better. Sometimes you enhance or augment the colors. But that is not meant to change the reality of the video being authentic. What they lacked yesterday was somebody available who was able to authenticate the video in its original format. You had a video that you had, you know, some markings on it, some blurring of audience members, some maybe circles or other ways of designating who was where. That's the kind of thing that you do at trial. It's not unusual. But for admissibility purposes, during the prelim, the judge wanted a clean copy, and that is what the prosecutor is going to provide today. The video you mention in terms of what the judge was watching was when Charlie Kirk was shot. And we all remember seeing that. It was so triggering, so traumatizing that you saw, as you mentioned, even the judge flinching in his chair as he watched it and then having to recover. That's the sort of thing that they're also arguing about because video evidence is very powerful. We just want to make sure that the actual authentic, real, unchanged video is what the judge sees during this prelim,

[Stephen K. Bannon]

ballistic report and autopsy report. And a lot of people commenting that normally a lot of this stuff is public at this stage at the grand jury, because this is Essentially grand jury stage. Is that correct or incorrect information is not maybe leaked out by the media to the New York Times or things or papers like that. But is it, is it standard practice to have the ballistics report and the autopsy report to be close hold.

[Wendy Patrick]

It should be closed. And these should be the types of things that only come out in the court of law and are not leaked to the court of public opinion. And that is one of the things that was litigated and probably continue to be a problem because the case is so high.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Wendy, can you hang on one second? I just want to talk about. People understand there's seven charges here. This is going to take I think right now the people I've talked to is that this is going to take all week at least.

[Wendy Patrick]

Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So strap in. I would also keep an open mind, particularly what a lot of what the skeptics are saying. We have to stick the landing here. We can't have a situation. Charlie Kirk is too important

[Eric Metaxas]

both as

[Stephen K. Bannon]

a

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

get your emergency food supply today. That's preparewithbannon.com do it today. Go check it out. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay. Wendy Patrick joins us and she is throughout the week doing analysis as a criminal lawyer on what she's saying. It is incumbent upon this audience to keep an open mind here and actually act like you're the grand jury at the end of the week, we'll make sure that somehow we get polling from you guys or feedback from you guys. We have to stick the landing on this. Of course, this is a preliminary hearing like a grand jury.

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Wendy.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I mean, I take it when prosecutions bring these type of things, they feel they have a high probability, like 100% that the judge will prove him to go to the next stage, correct?

[Wendy Patrick]

That's correct. In a preliminary hearing, absolutely. Because it's the type of hearing where the quantum of evidence required is so low. And you'll notice that yesterday the judge reiterated that standard of proof as well. He said it when he was talking to both sides at one point about being mindful of how much evidence to bring. And you have to believe that is because he does. He doesn't want this going for a month. He wants it to be expeditious. He wants it to be productive in the use of their time. But he's very mild mannered, as we noticed yesterday. But he did take time to make that reminder. So, yes, both sides are going to abide by that and really try to keep it. Just what you need to either prove the case or make the objections. You need to argue that certain counts haven't been proven during this preliminary hearing this week.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

One last thing about, you know, they're presenting evidence of his text messages, this relationship with the furry that was his lover. Will there be any investigation or anything come forward at this stage of anything else in the background, either radical, these radical transgender ideology, militia groups and or other foreign interference here or support or all the things we've heard about, you know, planes flying around and everything related to foreign interference. Will that come out at this time? Will the judge require that type of investigation or want to hear that type of investigation? Or do you see enough of this that you don't have to get that deep? And if that was to come out, it would come out of trial if

[Wendy Patrick]

then the judge is going to really, really be careful about what is relevant at a prelim stage. And any kind of ideology or who is working with who conspiracies other than this defendant is going to be excluded. Now, one of the reasons the judge is going to do something like that is he has to focus on the charges of, especially the charge of murder. So we talk about just the cold, hard facts of the ballistics, the autopsy, the video footage, the confession, the text messages, everything that proves that this defendant committed this crime. Remember, there was even an objection to one of the witnesses identifying the defendant in the Courtroom. So they're very, they're playing it thin to win is one of the ways. I sort of talk about the straightforward way in which a preliminary hearing is conducted, whether there's other evidence that is going to be admitted during trial that'll be part of those endless motions that you mentioned. Indeed will be occurring between the prelim and the trial. But I have to say some people are amazed that, you know, motive matters to a jury and a judge, but you don't need to prove motive to prove murder. However, it almost always comes out in the course of the evidence and that'll also be a part of this case, but not beyond the defendant. That's the prediction at the prelim and probably also the prediction at trial. We'll know more about how the judge feels when he delivers his ruling at the end of the prelim.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Will that come, you think that will come this Friday or will that come next week after he's listening everything? Because this could go up just the courtroom back and forth. Could take us, since there's seven charges, could go all the way till Friday afternoon. Correct.

[Wendy Patrick]

It could go till Friday afternoon. But the judge's ruling is probably already something he's thinking through day by day as he looks at the evidence and where each piece fits into the charges as they exist. If this was a one day prelim and somehow we did it all in one day, no doubt the judge would take a break to regroup, to strategize, to make a timeline, to do everything that judges do to make sure that they can make a complete record. However, the fact that there are so many moving parts, so many objections here, the high profile nature, the fact that almost everything's being contested, that in and of itself might necessitate a judge taking the weekend not to decide what he's going to do, but to articulate the rationale he wants to put on the record, to protect the record from sort of showing why he found the way he did that is what it's going to take some time if the judge says it's going to come back and deliver the ruling on Monday.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Wendy, where do people go on social media to catch you? You're doing great work for us during the day, but where do people follow you?

[Wendy Patrick]

Thank you. Wendy Patrick, Ph.D. is my Twitter handle, my X handle and it's Also my website, wendypatrickphd.com and Steve, I'll point out my PhD is in theology, so I too was a strong follower of Charlie Kirk.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, ma', am. Appreciate you appreciate all the work you're doing for us this week.

[Wendy Patrick]

Thank you,

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Eric Metaxas. The book is number, I think two or three this week. Revolution. What was happening on the 7th of July in the year of our Lord 1776, couple of days after the Declaration of Independence, it still hadn't been totally signed. They'd already landed. The preliminary expeditionary force already landed in Staten Island. What was going on today? 250 years ago, sir.

[Eric Metaxas]

Oh, like I'm supposed to know this off the top of my head, Steve, what do you think I am. I haven't read my book recently, but I think. I think what happened, basically, it's an amazing thing, and I love finding stuff like this. When I was doing the research, I was fascinated about how much we don't understand about what actually happened. For example, we all have in our mind the image of them signing the declaration on July 4th. Completely invented. It's like the picture of Martin Luther nailing the theses. It never happened, but we all saw the picture, right? What happened, of course, was on July 4th, they voted to accept the Declaration. They've been editing it for two days or whatever, and they edited out the stuff about slavery, of the slave trade. They did, you know, so July 4th, they voted to accept the document. So at the head of the official document, which was signed on August 2nd, it says July 4th in big letters. So it's kind of like it fools us into thinking what happened July 4th. Right. So what happened on July 7th? Well, first of all, now, once they approved it on July 4, now copies of it, not the official copy. Cause remember, the official copy was not assigned, I think, until July 19th. Some guy who makes this official copy, the one that we've all seen with the beautiful handwriting, whatever that was assigned to whoever does that in Philadelphia, July 19th. And that wasn't done for about a week or something. So the official day to sign it was August 2nd. So what was going on before that? Well, on July 4th, once this thing is approved, pretty soon now versions of it go out everywhere. So in Philadelphia, I don't remember the exact day, but I think it was read aloud in Philadelphia on July 6th. I think Ben Franklin.

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But their focus.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Their focus, though, since they're landing in Staten island, their focus is like, hey, the revolutionary part, the signing of nice of these amazing documents, but really are Declaration of War against Crown, where we've committed treason by saying this. They've now sent the largest expeditionary force in, like, history is laying in Staten Island. The War of Independence, which has already been going on for a year. It's really about to rev up, right?

[Eric Metaxas]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Listen. The British ships appeared. Started appearing on June 28th. So you can imagine George Washington down at the Battery, right? I think it was like one Broadway was. Was his mansion where he was staying. And he's watching through his spyglass and he sees the ships coming over. On June 28, they start arriving, okay? They start and they never stop. It's so sick. It's so unbelievable. They keep coming and keep coming. Eventually there would be 400 ships. Now when you think of a ship, it's like a fortress. We can't. In our day, we can't really imagine what these things were like, the technology, the day. I mean, it really is like seeing a battle.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We had 50. We had 50 tall ships on Saturday. Poster was right there at the Battery. That's why he went, right, we're watching. The troops were.

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And it blew you away with 50, 52.

[Eric Metaxas]

Listen, this was this 400. This was designed to terrorize the Americans. The Americans are supposed to go shock and awe. We're out. We're done. Leave us alone. In fact, I wish I knew the exact date. But the bottom line is these ships are coming over and so they know this going down, this is happening.

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Hang on.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We gotta bounce.

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But if you want to know at

[Stephen K. Bannon]

all, it's in the book and then we can tell. Metaxas. Hey, Metaxas, you gotta go to page 125 and you see the research. How long take you to research this and write it? Metaxas. Cause it reads like a novel.

[Eric Metaxas]

I don't do it the way you should do it. I do it. I did it with a level of intensity that kind of makes me nauseated even thinking about it. I mean, it was basically a year and a half. It was just endless, endless reading, writing, reading. I mean, I don't, you know, don't do what I did. It's like Mickey Mantle, don't do what I did. It's not the way to do it, but I got it done.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Metaxas, where they get the book. It's number two. I think this week on the New York Times Bestsellers, we're driving it to number one. It's a classic. Where do they go to find out where you are and buy the book. I want you to buy the book today to get. Listen, if you walk around with it under your arm, people are gonna think that person's very smart. If you actually break it open and read it, you'll be. You won't be able to put it down.

[Advertiser/Commercial Voice]

I couldn't.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I read it in like two sittings. Yeah, long sittings, but sittings. Where do people go and where they go to find you, to shake your hand and thank you and get a signed copy?

[David Makary]

Yeah.

[Eric Metaxas]

Yes. Well, okay, first of all, the best place, the cheapest place right now to order it is Amazon. Please do that, please, because this is the week, this week, next week, to get it to number one. It's gonna be very hard to, you know, get above, I don't know, J.D. vance or Maggie Haberman. They got these big names out there. But this book is right up top there, and they're still not carrying it in bookstores, which drives me insane. Please, when you go to a bookstore, ask them politely, do you have this book? It's at the top of the New York Times list. You're gonna carry this book. But I tell people, go to Amazon. My website is ericmataxas.com. if you follow me there, you get all the stuff of where I'm appearing. Facebook on. I will be in Dallas this weekend preaching at Prestonwood Baptist. The week after that, I will be in Bangor, Maine, speaking. The week after that, I don't know where I'm going to be after that. I think I'll be in. In Murfreesboro, Tennessee. I gotta look. Where am I gonna be? Oh, yes. I will be everywhere around the country. What's that?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay, just give us. Where do people go to find out where you're gonna be?

[Eric Metaxas]

Ericmetaxis.com where it says events or whatever. And I. It's such a Joy. I signed 500 books just the other day in Washington, in Leesburg, Virginia. I was at a church there, Cornerstone Chapel. It's a joy for me to meet people and sign the books and take pictures and very exciting time in the history of our nation. This is our super centennial. We got to be crazy excited and we got to know the history. I keep saying, Steve, it's mandatory beach reading, folks. Mandatory beach reading.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's a good beach read. By the way, it's 250th year. July 4th kicked it off. We're doing this every day. Thank you, sir. We appreciate you, Eric Metaxas. God bless you.

[Eric Metaxas]

Thank you.

[Investigative Journalist]

Gruber.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tomorrow. Come on here. You're number six in the Billboard charts.

[UK Politician]

Wow.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I don't want to hear you guys talking smack. Oh, they're just down tomorrow. We're actually Pastor Laurie with you, your entire creative team.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tell people what you accomplished and where do they go to buy this amazing song. One Nation hits the Billboard top 10.

[Political Commentator]

Number six.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's a remarkable accomplishment by me, the team, Real America's music. LJ is the guy there making a move for real America's music. Man, we are so blessed. But you've done some great work here letting people know. You can get it on itunes, any streaming platform. Itunes, Spotify, Amazon, anywhere. Go find the song. Feel good about America. I feel good about it. I can't believe this happened. It's like, wow, I woke up from a dream. I'm on billboards top 10. Are you kidding me? Number six. It's amazing.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's like the New York Times bestseller. You, this audience have moved the needle on the biggest cultural things. New York Times bestseller number two is revolution.

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Number six on Billboard. All Music.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

All music is One nation. Gruber, love you, brother. We'll see you tomorrow with your team. God bless America. Unbelievable. The song is powerful. It's sweeping the nation.

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Not just the Christian church, sweeping the nation.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Taylor Swift, she was going to be a runaway bride. She was so concerned about.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

truncated war room, 11 o'.

[UK Politician]

Clock.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We're going to go to the trial.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. Okay, instead of tossing to Charlie Kirk in the Charlie Kirk show or as We've done since Charlie Kirk was assassinated to Andrew Colvett and Blake with the Charlie Kirk show. We're gonna go at 11 to the Charlie Kirk essentially evidentiary hearing or grand jury. You are the grand jury. So the audience response has been tremendous. That's what we're doing it wall to wall. We want you to see everything. We don't want to cut away for one minute. So I want to thank real America's voice, the entire team, and of course, people like Wendy that are helping us out here. So make sure you watch. Of course Poso is doing his wrap ups today. But I would just say keep an open mind, see what you see. It's important for you to see this audience individually to come to your own conclusions. You're seeing everything or you should. Maybe they'll fix the videos that you should see everything that goes in the courtroom. So anyway, 11 o', clock, we're tossing that. And I want to thank our sponsors for being so understanding about this. Let's go to David Makary at All Family Pharmacy. You got a special, buy one, get one free. But look, you're a pharmacist. Talk to people that you know, when they go to the site, who do they talk to? Walk them through the process. Because I think people are saying, hey, I don't understand this. I don't understand online pharmacies. I understand going and standing in a long line at Walgreens and not having my medical freedom, sir.

[David Makary]

Thank you very much, Stephen. Great to be here. We make it very simple, very easy. You just go to allfamilypharmacy.com or you can call us at 561-6794. We'll connect you to a pharmacist to be able to speak to them about any questions you have or concerns with medications. We're a full fledged licensed and registered pharmacy here in the wonderful state of Florida. And we have physicians on staff that will be able to go over your medications, treatments and things that you're looking for that you need help with for any issue that you may have.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So, you know, people kind of wrestle with that. In other words, you go online or call the number, they'll put you in, they'll hear you, there'll be some preliminary discussion. But then you actually talk to either licensed medical personnel or a pharmacist to go through what you need and then you guys give the prescriptions.

[David Makary]

Correct. After all that's been through, you know, very simple, very easy. Just a quick little discussion with the physician, sort of like a telehealth communication with the patients, no matter where they're at in the country. Make it very simple. We discuss some of your issues and concerns that you have. And accordingly, to make sure everything is appropriate, the physicians sign off on it. And within the same day, we get them prescription, we take care of it, ship it out, and within two business days, it arrives at your door.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Buy one, get one free. Explain that to me.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

exact same thing free. Or how's it work?

[David Makary]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

at AllFamilyPharmacy.com AllFamilyPharmacy.com Bannon buy one, get one free. David, thank you so much. And by the way, you're getting rave reviews from our audience, so keep it up.

[David Makary]

Thank you so much. You have a great day.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Also, Colby joins us from Chapter. Also rave reviews. Because, Colby, people are very hesitant, kind of, I think like your mom even discussed it. People don't like talking about their Medicare. Right. It's a very personal thing. They're also, I think, at least with me, is that you feel you've made so many stupid mistakes. You don't want to seem stupid in front of somebody. Walk me through how we get people over that.

[Colby]

Thanks for having me, Steve. Fortunately, you and others are not alone. A lot of the posse are calling and getting support because it is such a challenging decision that people have to make, and there are so many bad actors in the market. So at Chapter, what we do is help people get the right Medicare coverage for their needs at the lowest possible cost. We use a lot of data and technology to make that possible. And the reason I started the company and what really drives us is our own family's experiences. My mom had a really terrible experience, as did my grandfather, going through the Medicare process. And the same thing happened to a lot of our teammates. So we take great pains to do everything we can to support people who call into Chapter. And you can find a special number for the posse at 845 War Room, which is the special number for this audience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

One of the things, the feedback I've gotten that people really appreciate, one, you can have the personal conversation about it. You bring the information and you guys really drill down. But you stick with people. It's just not the first time call and you never hear from again. You guys are going to stick there through the entire process, correct?

[Colby]

That's right. So once, once we help you enroll in the right plan, we'll help you with everything that might come up, whether it's finding a doctor who's in network or finding a prescription at the lowest cost or appealing a bill or a claim. And as Medicare evolves, which it does all the time, in fact, there's a new. A new program that just launched last week on July 1 called the GLP1 Bridge Program, where there are new subsidies, functionally subsidies for Americans to get on certain GLP1s if it's covered by their Part D prescription drug program. And so all of these changes happen all the time in Medicare. And we're there to help people if they have questions or if there are new opportunities for them to save money. Just over the past few weeks, we've saved the posse over a million dollars on their Medicare coverage. And that's just in a very short period of time. So there's a lot of opportunity for people to save money and get the right coverage they need.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I need everybody of a certain age. 845 war room. They set this up just for us. The feedback is tremendous. Remember the Stanford PhD the specialized that said, hey, he couldn't figure it out. Everybody needs help. I need help. You need help. 845-war- room. This is what Colby did. Colby, thank you so much, and thank you for doing this, sir. Appreciate you.

[Colby]

Thanks, Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay. Wow, what a miss. I was going to toss toy a little special thing we did with Mike Lindell, but of course, Denver didn't have it loaded. Thanks, guys. Anyway, I'll do the mikeville.com promo code. Mike's had a little situation with his throat. You know, he gets raspy sometimes. So he's had. He's had a little situation with his throat. He'll be back with us over the next couple days. Okay, we have. We're now going to turn.

[Advertiser/Commercial Voice]

I need everybody to pile in here.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Charlie. Kirk, it's unbelievable. Did you ever think that in the 250th anniversary of the revolution that made the greatest nation on earth, that instead of tossing at Charlie Kirk and Blake and Andrew and their entire team to do what they had done for years right here in real America's voice would be tossing to a courtroom where the assassination of Charlie Kirk is on full display. We owe Charlie to get to the bottom of this and we owe the nation to get to the bottom of it. Stick around. We're going live to Salt Lake City. The courtroom next.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

You move.