Episode 5515: China Is Manipulating American Trade

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Episode 5515: "China Is Manipulating American Trade"

Date: July 14, 2026
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Notable Guests: Dr. Peter Navarro, Eric Metaxas, Taj Gill, Mike Lindell

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bannon’s War Room weaves together urgent economic analysis, national security concerns, and cultural commentary, with a heavy focus on U.S.-China economic tensions, the effects of American trade policy, and the broader spiritual and cultural 'battle' facing America. The host, Stephen K. Bannon, navigates guests through the ramifications of recent economic data, instability in the Middle East, and ongoing issues of election integrity, emphasizing the need for resilience and faith amid perceived existential threats.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Economic Data, The Fed, and Trump’s Policies

Guest: Dr. Peter Navarro
Timestamps: [00:23]–[05:52]

• The episode opens with Bannon and Navarro discussing strong economic numbers ("a good print") and linking them to "deflationary" Trump policies – deregulation, tax cuts, energy dominance, and “fair trade.”
• Navarro critiques Federal Reserve Board members, labeling them "clowns" for prioritizing inflation over employment and being out of sync with “Trumponomics.”
  • Quote: "You don’t raise rates into the teeth of an energy price shock, okay? Bernanke didn’t do it. Greenspan didn’t do it. You don’t do it because it won’t work. It won’t help, okay?" — Navarro [02:40]

The Fed and Political Game-Playing

• Bannon asserts that the financial class and the Federal Reserve manipulate policy to undermine Trump:
  • "All they want is rate hikes for Trump because they want to slow down... they want to get rid of him." — Bannon [05:52]

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2. USMCA, Chinese Trade Manipulation, and the Auto Industry

Guest: Dr. Peter Navarro
Timestamps: [06:33]–[10:34]

• Navarro critiques the effectiveness of the USMCA (U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement), blaming Mexican compliance failures for China’s evasion of tariffs via Mexican auto exports.
  • Quote: "Mexico particularly has allowed itself under the rules of the USMCA, to become a staging area for Chinese parts in autos." — Navarro [06:59]
• Navarro commends tariffs and highlights Toyota’s move of pickup manufacturing from Tijuana to San Antonio as proof of ‘tariffs working.’
• The discussion turns to China’s strategic interference in trade and politics:
  • Quote: "Their number one objective has been to get rid of Donald Trump and to make sure they still have access to the United States with their mercantilist policies..." — Bannon [08:40]

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3. Election Integrity, The Navarro Report, and 2020 Aftershocks

Guest: Dr. Peter Navarro
Timestamps: [10:34]–[13:34]

• Promotion of the Navarro Report—a detailed critique of the 2020 election, characterizing Democratic election reforms as facilitating fraud.
  • Quote: "The central insight of the report was that the Democrats put in place an elaborate system which made fraud easy." — Navarro [11:18]
• Bannon and Navarro insist their actions post-2020 were about ensuring a fair count, not ‘overturning’ democracy.

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4. Spiritual Resilience and Revolutionary America

Guest: Eric Metaxas
Timestamps: [19:02]–[27:30]

• Addressing his book on the American Revolution, Metaxas draws a direct line between the faith and resolve of America's founders and present-day conservatives.
  • Quote: "The reason that George Washington and almost all of the others were indomitable was ... their faith in the God of the Bible, they believed he was with them in the sacred cause." — Metaxas [20:50]
• Metaxas describes obstacles faced by his book—claimed censorship in mainstream outlets like Barnes & Noble and absence from Fox News, viewing these as indicative of elite hostility toward his narrative.
  • Quote: "There are people out there that hate the truth. They hate this narrative. They hate the idea that Trump is going to reveal fraud in the 2020 election." — Metaxas [23:30]
• Bannon encapsulates the movement’s ethos: "Antifragile resilience. That’s what the rebels were, the revolutionaries. They get stronger as you put more stress on them." [37:24]

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5. Religious Foundations of the Revolution and Modern Culture Wars

Guest: Eric Metaxas
Timestamps: [32:05]–[36:47]

• Metaxas distinguishes between a state religion (the Church of England) and authentic, lived Christian faith, claiming the revolution was linked to the latter.
  • Quote: "A state religion means nothing ... At the heart of the Christian faith is this idea called liberty. You cannot force people to be Christian." — Metaxas [32:06]
• He links early American religious dissent to current cultural divides, asserting today’s ‘elites’ disdain the founding principles.

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6. Military Pressure, Decentralized Conflict, and Strength Under Stress

Guests: Taj Gill
Timestamps: [38:37]–[46:52]

• Drawing parallels between special forces training and the challenges facing America, Taj Gill emphasizes mental toughness over physical strength:
  • Quote: "Pressure makes diamonds. You got to put constant pressure on people and then that’s how you grow character." — Taj Gill [38:37]
• On conflict in Iran and the Middle East, Gill explains the challenge of negotiating with decentralized, increasingly radicalized command structures:
  • Quote: "We took out the moderates and now we’re dealing with religious extremists and Iranian nationalists. ... It’s tough to bring this thing to an end at this point." — Gill [46:00]

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7. Consumer Engagement and Election Security

Guest: Mike Lindell
Timestamps: [49:45]–[51:31]

• Lindell expresses hope that renewed attention to election security vindicates his extensive efforts:
  • Quote: "I just want the whole country to know the urgency of this… These are facts. I want the whole country to be on board." — Lindell [50:29]
• He describes the systemic vulnerabilities in U.S. elections as a critical infrastructure issue needing urgent resolution.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Economic Policy and the Fed

• Navarro: "You don’t raise rates into the teeth of an energy price shock, okay?...And you’ve got these clowns on the board of governors who are Bidenites and Powellites." [02:40]

On USMCA and Chinese Trade Manipulation

• Navarro: "Mexico particularly has allowed itself under the rules of the USMCA, to become a staging area for Chinese parts in autos." [06:59]

On The Spiritual Battle

• Metaxas: "They believed that the Lord was with them. ... If this is God’s idea, we must fight on no matter what. God is the one who determines who wins." [20:50]

On Special Forces Mindset

• Gill: "Pressure makes diamonds. ... We have guys that show up that are literally Olympic athletes and they wash out. So you have to be mentally tough, mentally prepared and you have to have the wherewithal to withstand time under pressure." [39:42]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | Speakers | |-------------------------------------------------|-------------|----------------------| | Economic Print and Fed Policy | 00:23–05:52 | Bannon, Navarro | | USMCA/Trade/China | 06:33–10:34 | Bannon, Navarro | | The Navarro Report & Election Integrity | 10:34–13:34 | Bannon, Navarro | | Spiritual Resilience and Revolution | 19:02–27:30 | Bannon, Metaxas | | State Religion vs. Authentic Faith | 32:05–36:47 | Bannon, Metaxas | | Pressure, Military Mindset, Iran | 38:37–46:52 | Bannon, Taj Gill | | Election Security and Vindication | 49:45–51:31 | Bannon, Lindell |

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Conclusion

This episode intertwined urgent economic developments, deep security concerns, and the ongoing ‘spiritual war’ at the heart of American culture and politics. Critical takes on the Federal Reserve, trade deals (especially regarding China), the threat of election interference, and military conflict highlight the War Room’s central narrative: America is under attack on multiple fronts—economically, politically, culturally, and spiritually—and victory will require both populist resilience and a return to foundational principles of faith and liberty.

Final takeaway from Bannon:
"Antifragile resilience. That's what the rebels were, the revolutionaries. They get stronger as you put more stress on them… That pressure is needed, that chaos is needed, that stress is needed to get down to the core of character." [37:24]

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For more:

• Peter Navarro: peternavarro.com
• Eric Metaxas book/tour: ericmetaxas.com
• Taj Gill’s Warpath Coffee: warpath.coffee (Promo code: war room)
• Mike Lindell’s products: mypillow.com/war room

This summary omits ad content and retains the speakers’ language and tone for context and clarity.

Transcript

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

[B]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[A]

I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

[B]

It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[A]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banff. Okay, Tuesday the 14th of July, year of alert 2026. We're gonna go. We got Navarro on the phone with some breaking news from the White House. Eric Metaxas is going to join us here momentarily. Peter, we had a good print today, as Rick Santelli tells us, is that solely because oil prices were coming down for a moment as we. Because we notified Congress last night that we're back at war. It starts the 60 day clock now, I guess bought into the process of the War Powers act, which I think is totally unconstitutional. But I guess you're going to do it. You're going to do it right? Maybe we'll test the constitutionality that. But the print was a good print, was it not, sir?

[B]

Yes, but Steve, it was not a good print because oil prices went back down. Yes, that was part of it. But we have a broad deflationary trend that's been going on for over a year because Trump policies are basically deflationary. We were getting increased productivity. You saw in this, again, real wages are up. And if you just go category by category, category by category, they're benefiting from Trump policies. Remember, the big, big ones are the deregulation, the tax cuts, which lower the burden both on businesses and give people purchasing power. You got strategic energy dominance and you got the fair trade. Good print. The big thing here. I did a little piece for Real Clear Markets. The line is, it's one thing to get egg on your face, it's nothing to get a whole omelet. You had this guy, Chris Waller, one of the Fed Board of Governors, coming out yesterday, basically arguing for rate hikes and whining about the, you know, watch the CPI tomorrow. And sure enough, today it's exactly the opposite. That's an omelette on your face, brother. That's an omelette. And I am Just, it's really important that WARSHIP gets a little religion on this message. Steve, you don't raise rates into the teeth of an energy price shock, okay? Bernanke didn't do it. Greenspan didn't do it. You don't do it because it won't work. It won't help, okay? And you've got these clowns on the board of governors who are Bidenites and Powellites, and it's just, just troubling to hear that. And then you get a great print like this. So, you know, let's, let's see what happens here. We're fighting hard at the White House to get price.

[A]

But hang on, but hang on, hang on. But hang on, hang on. But how can hag and war. He just got over there, right? I try this, but 28,000, somewhat absorbed, absurd number. That's over at the, the central bank, which I question, why do you even have a central bank? But for the first time, you actually have governors that are hostile to the administration. You've got Powell, you've got Waller. I mean, Warsh is walking in over there like in Saigon in 68, is it not, sir?

[B]

It's basically five of the seven, Steve, that four Biden appointees. WALLER is a Minnesotan. I don't know what they drink in the water there, but those folks don't think straight. And I'm concerned about wars, to be honest, because he came out way more hawkish in his first speech than I think conditions warranted. I mean, this whole idea of putting inflation first. I mean, the Fed's supposed to balance employment. That's our people, Steve, okay? Wall street ain't worth employment with inflation, okay? And when, when you put the inflation target first in a Trump world where everything we do is designed to lower the inflation rate, it creates the kind of cognitive dissonance we got with Powell going back to the first term where he's raising rates because he think we can't grow that fast without causing inflation. And sure enough, we grow that fast without causing inflation. But they put the rate hikes on, then they slow us down. It's like, it's just very, very frustra to me. These guys just are thinking in an old paradigm. They don't understand Trump nomics. And this won't end well, Steve. They're just waiting. They're just waiting. They're salivating to get some kind of bad report and then they'll pounce all over it. And for some reason, Wall street seems to like that as well. And I don't Know, you look at the financial news networks, and they're all, like, skewed towards rate hikes. And I can't figure that out because the underlying economics don't. History does.

[A]

They're all set for. They want a Greenspan put. They're all set for. I think it's the exact opposite. They all want easy money and rate cuts until President Trump's in office, right? And then they do a rate cut for Biden when they never should do one. And all they want is rate hikes for Trump because they want to slow down. They want the. Well, they want to get rid of him. They can. They can mouth, oh, we love him, et cetera. They want to get rid of him. They think he's disruptive and breaking up the. You know, breaking up the ruling class in this country. They want to get rid of him. And this is why. Even having this discussion of why pals hanging around, talk to me about usmc, the trade deal we've got with Mexico and, you know, the north with Mexico and in Canada. You were one of the big architects of that.

[C]

Why?

[A]

Why does the President want to throw

[B]

it overboard now, sir, I'm not going big architects on that. I was big cutting what would have been the perfect China deal. But that USMCA thing I was with the boss on was, like, skeptical because it had, like, literally thousands and thousands of moving parts, right? And ultimately, what USMCA depends on is the honesty and integrity of your trading partners, okay? And for better or for worse, and it certainly is for worse, Mexico particularly has allowed itself under the rules of the usmca, to become a staging area for Chinese parts in autos, okay. As well as the state here of all sorts of other things. But here's the deal. There's the piece in the Hill today, okay? Recommend reading. It basically talks about how Trump, my president, came out with a tweet that said, you know, tariffs are great because Toyota announced they're moving their Tacoma midsize pickup to San Antonio, okay? From Tijuana, okay? That's a big deal. And his tweet, his truth was, tariffs work, right? And then Jameson Greer, our great ustr, came out with a report, like, literally days later that basically went chapter and verse about how our auto. And auto deficit has skyrocketed when under USMCA was supposed to fall. And the primary drivers, the frigging Chinese, doing it again to us, just screwing us again, okay? And so we are.

[A]

You sound. You sound. You sound. You sound surprised to. That you and Lighthizer work for two Years you had a deal that took care of the original seven original sins of the Chinese Communist Party state owned industries, all of them for two years. Li he, you had sign off. And then at the very last second, Xi and Wan Qishan took a look at it after their one belt, one road conference with Putin and said, why are we signing something that makes us a subsidiary of the foreign devils? They tore it up. Next thing you know, wait for it pandemic, wait for it intrusion in the 2020 election. Anything. Their number one objective has been to get rid of Donald Trump and to make sure they still have access to the United States with their mercantilist policies as the elites in this country want to give them to sell their cheap junk and ship high value added jobs over to China. Correct, sir?

[B]

Yeah, that's exactly right. And I'll tell you, I mean look, the USMCA would, would prob. Probably would have worked if we had stayed in power for the second term because Lighthizer would be around to police the damn thing. But you negotiate that deal and then you put Biden in charge of that, what the hell is going to happen? These people, they just like they were incompetent asleep at the wheel and all of that stuff. But the good news is we're getting pretty much all of the Tacoma pickup truck capacity in the United States. That's not as good as GM building the cars with American ownership and American workers, but it's a lot better than having a foreign company doing it in a foreign, you know, in a foreign country with Chinese parts. It's gonna, yeah, Honda, Nissan, yada, yada yada. They're all coming in this thing about communist China. I want to give an assignment to the war room. Really? Go to my website, peternavar.com and refresh your memory. On the Navarro Report, the three volume Navarro Report, the cat's out of the bag. You know, MSNBC has been briefed on some news coming out about.

[A]

Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. This is a beautiful segue. You've gotten pretty good at this. You know, if this White House thing doesn't work out for you, I think we got a co hosting gig for you. To be very specific, the Navarro Report is still one of the best mathematical reports of what happened in 2020. Because at your heart you're a mathematician slash economist. That's why everybody, where do they go get. Because you're right. To refresh your memory, start by before the Thursday speech by the President or addressed to the Nation by the President. You should refresh it. Where do the people go today, Peter? Because I want to push that out hard.

[B]

Yeah, it's peternavar.com it's right there. It's obviously for free. And Steve, the central insight of the report was that the Democrats put in place an elaborate system which made fraud easy. Okay? It was. I called it the grand stuff, the ballot box strategy. Taking things away like signature verification and extending absentee ballot. All that stuff enables the steal. So when you, when you have that and then you, you put on top of that what, what you're likely going to see with these documents coming out. You understand why you and I, when we were trying to do the Green Bay sweep legally under the Electoral Count act of 1887, all we wanted was a fair counting of the votes to look again and like we were branded for election deniers, Liars this, that, and hey, you're gonna see. If I haven't seen this. I'm not directly involved in any of this. But as long as it's out there, because there's briefings and like that, you're gonna see that those votes should have been counted. JJ6 should end it a whole lot differently. And shame on Mike Pence, okay? Shame on Mike Pence.

[A]

Or you just can't certify them. It's not about getting Trump electors in there. As we said, the Electoral Count act of 1887. And why did this happen, ladies and gentlemen? Because after the Civil War, even before, when they stole one from Andrew Jackson, you know, John Quincy Adams and the boys, the elite up in Massachusetts, stole one. Then, then after the Civil War, it was a fracas. They decided they put good order in discipline. You don't do a revote. You kick it into the House of Representatives and you do state by state delegation vote. Guess what? Donald John Trump would be president, but divine providence. I think Peter said it was good that we had four years in the wilderness and that Bannon and Navarro, in God's infinite wisdom, spent a little time in federal prison. That's okay. We got that Navarro. We got to bounce. Where do people go? Peternavarro.com where else?

[B]

Well, that'll get you everything, gets you to the truth. Social acts, Instagram, getter and my substack, okay? Just a lot of content is coming out. And today, go to the Hill, support the Hill. They put good stuff out. I got a piece in Real clear on cpi. And again, it's just what I'm trying to do, Steve, is message, the Trump economics message, okay? That's that's what we have to do to win in November. Okay? And that's my job description here. Okay. It's like create jobs and let people know we're doing it.

[A]

Populist nationalist economics will win every time. Peter Navarro thank you brother. You're the best. Go back to work now. What a warrior. Resilience. Eric Metaxas is going to be here. Why do we continue to focus on the revolution, not simply about the history of it. What it has to teach us about today, today in the fight that you have to protect and defend and bequeath this constitutional republic. It is a long, long, tough struggle not made for ribbon clerks. Eric Metaxas Revolution Next. For the first time Since World War II, our national debt held by the public has exceeded GDP. America, this is a wake up call. Our sins of the past, reckless government spending have finally caught up to us. So what's next? Higher inflation, higher prices, higher cost of living expenses and higher interest payments on the national debt. Every dollar Washington spends on interest is a dollar it has to tax, borrow or print. Smart retirement planners prepare for potential setbacks. And they can do that by diversifying with a time tested asset known for weathering the storm that is physical gold. Now physical gold you can get from my trusted friends at Birchgold Group. Text the word Bannon B A N N O N to the number 98989 and Birchgold will send you a free info kit on converting an existing Iraq or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA. In physical gold you don't pull the ripcord on your parachute once you've already hit the ground. Don't wait for economic turbulence to diversify. Text Bannon to the number 989-898. Again, text Bannon to 989-898. Own some gold and own it. From Birchgold, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. I want to thank our sponsors

[B]

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[C]

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[C]

Right?

[A]

Particularly at the beginning. It's about resilience, you keep saying. And I think it's, it's, it you've stuck the landing on this. These people, particularly the initial group, believed this was a sacred cause and this country would be a sacred trust. And that's why they risked all to do it against overwhelming odds and everything right now, today. The thing I love about your book and this is I think folks, when you get into forget how you know the outcome, forget how you know the moves, forget how. You know what happened right now down in the battery on the 14th of July in the year of our Lord 1776, all they looked out and saw a forest of British warships, the Royal Navy, the greatest institution for inflicting pain that had ever been developed. This is how they built an empire. Plus the British army. 32, 000, I think what, 22, 000 Brits and 6 to 8, 000 German Hessian mercenaries. The biggest badasses in the world. That's what you looked out upon. When you looked there, you didn't know the outcome. The power of this book is every page you turn. And in their own words, they had no idea how this would turn out, but they had a deep abiding faith that they were agents for divine providence in doing something that was sacred. And that's where they were prepared to risk all. Eric Metaxas, the floor is yours sir.

[D]

Well, that's, that's the thing, thank you, Steve. Is that this is a battle today. As I listen to your program, we're in this battle now. So the question is, it's one thing to get angry, it's one. The question is, where is your faith now? It's one thing to say you're resilient. Some people, you know, you knock them down, they get up. You knock them down, they get up. The question is, why do you get up? The reason that George Washington and almost all of the others were indomitable was, I'll put it bluntly, because their faith in the God of the Bible, they believed he was with them in the sacred cause. And in the sacred cause, that word, it's not even enough. It was a holy cause. They believed that the Lord was with them. When you believe the Lord is with you and we say that humbly, you don't say like, hey, God's with me. You humble yourself, you're aware of your own sin and you say, lord, what an honor it would be that we could fight for your purposes in history. Lord, search my heart. They were always, all of them humbling themselves before God. It wasn't, you know, chest beating triumphalism. They thought we deserve to lose because we are not as powerful as the British navy or army. The Hessians are frightening, but. But if God is with us and we are with God, if this is God's idea, we must fight on no matter what. God is the one who determines who wins. They believe this. And we need to understand that's not just a nice idea. It's not just A handful of them who were Christians. This was the leadership. George Washington, above all. They knew this was true, like, right out of the Old Testament, you know, they could see past the forest of masts in the Navy. They could see past that in a sense to, like, God is on his throne. There are chariots of fire that are invisible. This is real, right? We have to understand we're in a battle. Either we're working for God's purposes, or it's just politics, or it's just power. And we're no better than the other guy. We have to be aware that what we're doing, this is God's idea and that they were aware of this at the time. And so we're in a battle right now. I think I told you, Barnes and Noble is still not carrying the book. It's been on the bestseller list. Four weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. You walk into a Barnes and Noble, you want to see the battle. How is it possible that every other New York Times bestseller is on tables, in stacks at Barnes and Noble? There are people out there that hate the truth. They hate this narrative. They hate the idea that Trump is going to reveal fraud in the 2020 election. They hate it. And they'll do anything, including lie, censor, whatever it is, try to get ahead of the story, call it disinformation. We are in a battle right now. It's the same battle. It's the battle of good versus evil. It's just that we're alive now and it takes a certain form now. And I think that we have to understand that the men of the revolution, they were keenly aware that unless they humble themselves before God and look to him in the midst of this hell, there's no way they're gonna be resilient. They're gonna go home. Common sense says, you know what? Go home. Why are you fighting this fight? But if you knew why you're fighting, and that's why I hope people will read my book or acquaint themselves when you understand that this is a battle that goes back 250 years ago. A battle for liberty. God's idea of America. America is God's idea. We need to know that and every lie. I mean, you know, from the New York Times, Mississippi, now, they cannot bear the truth. Obviously, Barnes and Noble is uncomfortable with the narrative in my book. You want Mike Pence's book, they got a big stack. You want any other book? They got big stacks of Jill Biden's book. They don't carry this book. Honestly, I didn't think I was doing anything revolutionary in writing the book. It's an historical book. You've read it. This is not some MAGA tract. But when you tell the truth, it scares the other side. They are scared to death of the truth. They're scared that the 2020 election interference is going to be shown. They can't bear it. They have to lie. They have to guess. Like their audiences, hoping that enough people will believe the lie, hoping that people won't read the truth. So we're in this battle right now, and it's just. It's good to know, you know, you're one of the generals in this, Steve. I mean, it's. We need people to understand where we are right now. This is not just, you know, another day in politics. This is an existential crisis for the soul of America. You know, and I know, and your audience knows. They want to take Trump down. They want to destroy him because he is draining the swamp. He's onto them, I gotta say. I mean, people say, may you live in interesting times. We are living in interesting times. We get to be players in this ongoing revolution. Today we get to do that.

[A]

That's a Chinese curse. You live in interesting times.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

A couple things. How many You've been. It's five weeks, I think. Is the book out five weeks? You've been on the bestseller list for four, including. The initial first week was so important.

[D]

One week, we did miss it. The first week was number two in the bestseller list, and it sold so much that they ran out of copy, so they didn't ship copies. So it fell off the list because they only count books that have shipped. But every other week it has been on. We're going to find out tomorrow if it's on the week again, but try to imagine a New York Times bestseller at the top of the list, nowhere to be found. Not one copy. I walked into a Barnes and Noble in South Lake, Texas, a conservative area. Not one copy. I asked the clerk and he said, well, we've got two on order. Two copies. They got stacks of Jill Biden's. They got every other book you want. Every other bestseller. Piles of them. Not one copy of my book.

[A]

Can you hang on through the break? I want to ask you about the. The religious aspect of this, but how many hits? So you've been. Is it four weeks? You've been on the bestseller list out of five weeks?

[D]

Four out of five so far? Yes. Four to five.

[A]

Four to five so far. And it's. It's a. It's a massive bestseller. How many Fox hits have you done in the past five weeks?

[D]

Sir, what's the Aramaic word for zero?

[A]

So Fox News, the great, the great standard bearer which had pencil. The great standard bearer and the driver of conservative culture. I just want you to repeat that. How many hits for the number one bestseller about the American revolution that tells the true story. Eric Metaxas, how many times have you been on Fox?

[D]

I still hope to get on but so far I have not been on Fox tv.

[A]

I'm not so sure they'll put you on after, after the shows you've been on that made this number one. They can't eat crow. Also, the Murdochs are notorious. Well, first off, they're part of the commonwealth. They're not even Americans. Oh, that's right. They say switch and became American so he could buy a TV network. Oh, that's right in the middle of the night. I'm sorry. He's so American. Complete farce. Eric Metaxas, hang on for one second. Want to see you on the other side. Oh my God. Unbelievable. We're take a short commercial break. Eric Metaxas on the other side. Taj G. I think we're getting TASG too. I'll talk about about Iran. Everyone's focus on how the conflict in the Middle east is raising oil prices. But there's another grim reality to this contention. Oil isn't the only resource being constrained. About one third of global fertilizer trade happens through this region. And with spring planning season on top of us, American farmers are sounding the alarm with some saying they can't afford to plant their fields. When one piece of the supply chain gets hit this hard, you know what comes next? Higher fruit prices, reduced availability, maybe even panic buying. That's why having an emergency food supply at home makes so much sense. And that's where our friends at my Patriot supply come in. Right [e-mail] that is preparewithbannon.com we've set up an entire just cite for the war room posse. You go to preparewithbannon.com that's all one word. Preparewithbannon.com you get a three month emergency food supply. Don't include a free mega protein Upgrade. An incredible 200 bonus you don't want to miss. It's a simple way to protect your family from whatever comes next. Go to preparewithbannon.com that is prepareweb with bannon.com to get your emergency food supply today. That's preparewithbannon.com do it today. Go check it out. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[C]

Okay.

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[B]

Right.

[D]

Well, I'll tell you why. Because a state religion means nothing. Our country, which is probably the most Christian country in the history of the world, is not officially a Christian nation. Why? Because at the heart of scripture, at the heart of the Christian faith, is this idea called liberty. You cannot force people to be Christian. It doesn't matter, you know, oh, you've been baptized. You've been. You claim to be a Christian. God looks on the heart. He knows, you know, if you're saved by faith, right, it means that you're going to live in a different way. So you can't fool God by saying, I believe this, I belong to that church. So the, the Church of England was first of all filled with hypocrites, filled with people that themselves believed almost nothing but wearing a collar. You know, those people exist in every denomination in Christendom. And the fact of the matter is that when William Wilberforce, I wrote a biography of Wilberforce, Amazing Grace, who brought about the abolition of the slave trade, it was the same story is that the people who really believe are at odds with the people who just believe officially, right? So you had in England, just because it was officially Christian, as I say in my book, the elites in England, okay, including King George iv, the son of King George iii, many of them were just notoriously, you know, mocking of Christian faith. So you can say you're anything and it means nothing. The question is, do you live it? Do you believe it? So you had many in England who were true believers. What did they do? They went across the Atlantic to settle in the thirteen colonies because they were being persecuted. Because the official Church of England, the state church, was persecuting Bible believing Christians. You know, you can go to China today and say, can I attend the official church? And they go, yeah, there's some official churches. You go to those churches where they wouldn't dare talk about politics or anything. We don't want them to talk about cuz the state rules. But if you wanna go to an underground church, you're in trouble. In England it was the same thing. I mean all through the 17th century you have hordes of Bible believing Christians saying we're gonna go across the Atlantic, take our chances in the New world. Because in England we're being persecuted. The pilgrims were persecuted by King James the first. And so official religion, we have to understand it basically means nothing. It's just a tribal identity. The Americans were clearly serious, most of them very serious about their Christian faith. As for King George iii, I mean, I think he was actually a Christian, but he was politically confused. You can actually be a Christian and get all kinds of stuff totally wrong. And many members of Parliament were mocking of Christian faith. So it's just a battle. I mean, I talk about it in the book to some extent because it really is at the heart of the American Revolution. In some ways it was a spiritual war between people who really believed in the God of the Bible and in the idea of liberty and that our rights come from God. And a bunch of politicians in parliament who just sneered at the idea. It's like, shut up. Just do what you're told. We got the power. We will make you obey us. And the Americans said, no, we obey God rather than men. So it's something that's been playing out through the millennia and the centuries. It's happening now. I don't need to tell you, the Hollywood elites, the liberal elites in Washington, the RINO elites, they sneer at these ideas of our founding. They sneer at it. They sneer at the people in flyover country who hold to these ideas. They mock us for clinging to our Bibles and our guns. There's nothing new under the sun, Steve. We're fighting in the same revolution today and the stakes are even higher than ever because it's now, it's a global thing. We're dealing with China, we're dealing with Islamo fascism. So we are still called to look to the God of the Bible in the midst of this and to trust him.

[A]

The folks that grab that have held their Bible and their guns dear had a pretty good track record in the United States of America and throughout the world, I might add. Metaxas where do people go to get the book? Most importantly, where do they find you on your travels? People want to get a signed copy from you, they want to meet you, they want to thank you. They got tons of questions where they go.

[D]

Yeah, well, I would say at this point, please go to Amazon. They've got one day shipping now. They got plenty books at Amazon. The price is way cheaper than Barnes and Noble, I can tell you that. And I also, if you go to ericmotaxas.com I am going to be in Maine this weekend in Bangor, Maine and Camden, Maine. I'm going to be in LA next week. I'm going to be in Nashville after that signing books at Landmark Bookstore in Nashville. I'm preaching in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. A week after that I'll be back in Dallas preaching at Elevate Church. I'm signing books wherever I go and on and on from there. So just ericmotaxas.com and Amazon, the best place to get the book. Thank you, Steve.

[A]

Thank you, brother. It reads like a novel. It's a beach read. Like I said, you put this under your arm, head into the peach. People say that is a smart person. You actually read the book, which you won't put down. As soon as you dip into it, you will become a smart person or at least smarter. Eric Metaxas. Thank you. Thank you Antifragile. That's a system. That's what the MAGA movement is. Antifragile resilience. That's what the rebels were, the revolutionaries. They get stronger as you put more stress on them. Taste Gill. Isn't that the theory? The case of special warfare and commandos and Navy SEALs. They want to, they want to weed out the ribbon clerks very quickly from these training programs and then take the people that can actually make it through the initial kind of couple of weeks and then put you under intense pressure to see how anti fragile and see if you actually grow and become better and become tougher. That pressure is needed, that chaos is needed. That stress is needed to get down to the core of character. This is what happened the revolution. This is the testing we're going through right now as a country. What was it like in your training as a seal, sir?

[E]

100%, Steve. Pressure makes diamonds. You got to put constant pressure on people and then that's how you grow character. That's how you bring out people's talents and abilities. You got. We, like you said our forefathers were rebels. You know, they created this amazing great country by fighting back against tyranny. The, you know, The English in 1776 was an incredible time. I think we need that again. We. Our country is filled full of corrupt politicians, corrupt leaders. We're being robbed at every corner. You know that's. But yes to your point, pressure makes diamonds. That's these selection programs for these special operations units and military wide. You know, through. It's not, it's not all just physical because we have, we have guys that show up that are literally Olympic athletes and they wash out. So you have to be mentally tough, mentally prepared and you have to have the wherewithal to withstand time under pressure.

[A]

No, no, that's the, that's the, that's the. You get all. You can have the. Be the greatest athlete in the world, but you're going to wash out. In fact if you go and it's

[E]

just like these wars that are going on right now in between the United States and Iran and Russia and Ukraine. You know, it's a test of time. It's, it's a wherewithal, it's, it's a grind. You have to be able to withstand the grind if you want to win. If you can't withstand the grind, grind the grind, then don't get into the game. So it's a war of attrition. The President selection programs. Sorry.

[A]

Look, the president sent over notification to the House and Senate. I Think last night that we're officially back at war. I guess the MOU is gone now and we're back at war to start the 60 day clock. Your thoughts about that, sir?

[E]

Unfortunately, that's the case. I think Trump wants to get out of this war. He was looking for a quick, decisive victory like Venezuela. He did not want this long, drawn out war that it's turning into. My take on it is I think he's trying to bomb them into submission or bomb them back to the table. But the problem is the Iranians, they're tough hombres, like you would say, and they've been living under sanctions, embargoes and everything since the early 80s. So bringing them back to the table is going to be difficult because we killed all the moderates and now the hardliners are running the country. And Iran has created a decentralized command structure. So it's difficult to get all these decentralized commands and bring them back to the negotiating table. So the question is, who is really in charge of Iran right now? But we'll see. Hopefully it ends quick.

[A]

But this is what you brought, decentralized command. The President just said yesterday he was talking to somebody, he said they had spent 11 hours or 12 hours in a continuous negotiation with this group and they were told they had a deal. And then when they get back a couple hours later, this is what the President said. Well, there was one group or some group they had to run it by in which they didn't know. They hadn't been upfront about that. And that group didn't like a certain aspect of it. Next thing you know, they're lobbing, they're lobbing drones and missiles into Qatar, into the field over there, and they're hitting a couple of, of these car, a couple of these tankers in the Persian Gulf. And this gets to me when you, when you've devastated their command structure as much as we have, you've gone down to sometimes almost a brigade level. Well, what you're finding out in this Darwinian system, the deeper you go down, you don't meet a lot of moderates. You meet people that aspire to the top and they're even harder at the bottom than the heart. The heart at the top, because they're true believers and they feel they got to show their true believers all the time. And so you don't have. And this is one of the things I've argued from the beginning. Who do you even negotiate with? I mean, Trita Parsley said it, I think the best he says, look, I don't think you're ever going to get to a signed deal. It's too complicated. There's too many voices over there and there's too many people looking to take advantage. Oh, they're selling you out to Trump. They're selling you out to the Americans. Follow us. And that's what's going to be very tough. And President Trump as of I think we've had three waves of attacks now in three nights. He said, hey, he's going to keep the pressure up, at least keep it up kinetically now economically. He also put up and said, hey, oh, by the way, it's going to be a 20% service fee, not a toll. A service fee on everything coming in and out anyway. That's a forcing function. T Gill's with us. We're going to take a short commercial break. Back in the warm in a moment. Spread the word all through Hong Kong.

[B]

We will fight till they're all gone.

[A]

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[D]

So I don't.

[A]

He's not a potpourri guy. Decentralized command structure, sir.

[E]

Yeah. I just want to also touch on the hardliners that are now running Iran. They're not just hardliner Iranian nationalists. So it's not just about the fight for Iran. These guys are religious extremists. So they believe Islam should control the entire Middle east in the world. So we took out the moderates and now we're dealing with religious extremists and Iranian nationalists. So they want to control the entire Middle East. And then on the other side, you have Israel and they want to control the Middle East. And then on our side, we want denuclearization and we want freedom of navigation in the straight of Hormuz. So it's. It's tough to bring this thing to an end. That's at this point. So we'll see what happens.

[A]

Standby. That's why I think the President's done the forcing function of the 20%. That'll get everybody's attention in that region, including the Royal Navy. Everybody. Talk to me about, I need a big pot of warpath coffee right now. It's going to be one of those days all the way through Thursday night and then Friday to get the right message and to drive it. Where do I go?

[E]

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[A]

How many?

[E]

How many coffee promo code, how many?

[A]

By the way, we put taste through the ringer when we first got involved with him about the dark roast. Cause that's the espresso. I think it was a year, year and a half. Tree perfected it, and it's perfect. But then, Taj, you know, you get successful. The next thing I know, I got a potpourri of flavors coming out of Warpath. Of course, they're huge sellers, so.

[E]

But 19.

[A]

This is how you get 19,000 five star reviews. You have met market demand and the flavors. I'm the first guy I was like when he came to me and says, we're going to do decaf, I go, decaf. Cuts across the heart of what Warpath and I.

[D]

And.

[A]

And it's been such a huge seller for you, as everything has. I just want to tell the audience, just try this. This was the whole thing about Taj when he first left, because Taej used to run security for me after he was a gunman. And the whole pitch was that, you know, it was the seals got the best equipment, best training, everything. But they're drinking crappy Navy brew. And I've spent enough mid watches with that horrible coffee the Navy has that we wanted to do something that would make the Navy proud. Warpath coffee, you got to drink it black. It's made to just. If you've never had it black, just try. When you get this coffee, just do it black. Where do they go right now, Tasia? Gotta bounce. I got Mike Lindell here. But where they go. And I want people to try it black. And you'll just. You'll. This taste will overwhelm you. Where do they go? Taish

[E]

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[A]

Amazing, sir. Thank you, Taj. And thank you for your insights about what's happening, about what's happening in the Middle East.

[B]

War.

[A]

Is that. Do I have Lindell? Mike Lindell. I want to get to the greatest sale in 250 years. It took us 250 years to get here, but in. In Thursday night, because now they're spinning. MSNBC's got it. They're telling us it's just all this crap that's. It's all the wing nuts like Tina Peters and Mike Lindell. I know you're looking forward to seeing this because a lot of it I think is going to be about the machines. There's going to be mail in ballots too, I'm sure, but it's also in a whole process, but a lot of it's about machines. Do you feel vindicated? Are you going to feel vindicated on Thursday night, sir, given you've spent, I don't know, 60, 70, $80 million of your own money? They tried to bankrupt you, the FBI tried to put you in prison, all of it, sir.

[C]

I just want, I'm not worried about really feeling vindicated. I just want the whole country to know the urgency of this that we've been, that's been going on for five years here since we found all this stuff that happened in 2020. It's revealed all this information over the last five years. These are facts. I want the whole country to be on board. I don't care what party you're in, to know that when Obama said our elections are critical infrastructure, he deemed them as such. We've got to do something right now so foreign countries can't interfere in our elections. And we have citizens voting in our elections. It's pretty common sense. So I'm really looking forward to, you know, coming out where all you, you know, it'll be amazing if Fox actually reports on this and says everything that comes out of this report. That's what I'm looking forward to. I don't feel, I guess I'll feel a little vindicated going, hey, I was right the whole time. But for Fox or Newsmax to actually report that, hey, look at these problems. Mike was right. That would be kind of cool.

[A]

That would be nice. Okay, talk to me about the. It took 250 years to get to the sale. What is it? Why is it so special?

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[A]

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