
Episode 5536: Dignified Transfer For US Service Members; Chaos Over NDAA ...
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Jennifer Griffin
Bring in now our FOX News chief national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin. She is in our Washington newsroom watching this with us. Jennifer? Sandra, every president says that this is the most difficult thing that they have to do during their presidency to go to Dover to meet the families and to greet the caskets of the fallen. Knowing that they have sent these individuals, these soldiers to war, it weighs heavily on them. We've heard President Trump speak about that in the past. This is the third time that he has been to Dover since the start of the Iran war. There were the six servicemembers who were killed early on in the conflict when a drone hit their base in Kuwait. There were the six servicemembers who died in the KC135 air refueling plane that went down over Iraq. And now today we have these four other soldiers. First Lieutenant Tyler James Feehan. We're learning more about his life from his family. His family in Utah has set up a scholarship fund for ROTC students at his former alma mater, the University of Southern Utah, with the death gratuity, the $100,000 that each service member will be given by the Department of War. And his family has decided to devote that to future service members. He was supposed to return home and get married. His family remembers him as an adventurer. He went to Mount Everest base camp. He hiked the Camino Trail. He was planning to come home and get married. Then there was Private isabella Gonzalez, just 19 years old. She just graduated last year from high school. She told her English teacher just before she was was graduating that she planned to enlist so that she could eventually go to college. She's from northern Texas, from Carrollton, Texas, Sergeant Michael Swinton, his wife from Fayetteville, North Carolina. He was stationed at Fort Bragg. His wife Mia posted a heartrending post on Facebook showing him hugging his four year old daughter. It was the last picture she would take of him through the car window in his uniform as he hugged his four year old daughter. He also had a six year old son. He was killed in northern Iraq when they were trying to disable a one way Iranian attack drone last weekend. And then there is Sergeant Angel Rampersad. We just learned her name and her and received a photo of her 28 year old angel Rampersad of Queens, New York. Her she is been described as believed to be dead because her remains have not yet been identified. They will be identified at Dover. But she had been found under the rubble of that drone strike on the Jordanian base. So these four American heroes have returned to Dover. The president, the Secretary Hegseth as well as the Army Secretary Dan Driscoll were there to greet them as well as General Dan Kane. They spent about three hours with the family members. That's what they do before we see this ceremony and the flag draped caskets come out of the back of that plane. They spend time individually with those family members. So a heartbreaking moment today at Dover
Stephen K. Bannon
Air force base, Wednesday 22 July, year of alert 2026. That was a dignified transfer. I want to thank Jennifer Griffin over at Fox. As we were monitoring all the coverage. I thought she did such a great job that we pulled that clip for the honored dead, the dignified transfer. And obviously it's very intense when they go meet the families beforehand for fallen servicemen. And I think kind of cloudy of what's how we're going to go forward in this. A lot of back and forth today on this discussion. President Trump said, hey, for every, every troop killed, we're going to take out another brush. Excuse me, every, every, every vessel that is fired upon, we're going to take out a bridge or an electric power plant. A lot of discussion on where we go from here. Do we have Luke on Luke Nicastro? Luke joins us. He's Luke, you're over at the American Conservative with Kurt Mills, is that correct?
Luke Nicastro
That's right, Steve.
Stephen K. Bannon
And you used to be part of Josh Hawley's team over in the Senate?
Luke Nicastro
Yes, I was his national security advisor until the end of June.
Stephen K. Bannon
Your background in national security, did you go to college to get a degree in this? How did you become because Josh Hawley has a reputation having a great staff. How did you get that built?
Luke Nicastro
He does. He does. So I got a graduate degree in international relationship and I worked for some time in the Department of the Navy. I also worked at the National Defense University and did some contracting. So I did a little bit before joining Senator Hawley's team.
Stephen K. Bannon
I think they had today the vote. It's kind of, they didn't, they had a rules vote. It didn't get stopped. So I think today the House actually voted on the ndaa. Am I correct on that?
Luke Nicastro
You are, yes.
Stephen K. Bannon
So talk to me 2:16 and I think there's some interesting nos on here but walk me through the controversial, the section 219. I want to make sure the audience understands this from an expert. What is it, how did it get in here? Some language got changed. You take your time and explain it to us.
Luke Nicastro
Sure. So basically this is a provision that directs the creation of an official and an office and allocates resources for the merger of elements of the US Military establishment and the Israeli military establishment. Right. The way that it's been kind of conventionally described in the press is as a merger of the US And Israeli defense industrial bases. So essentially what the House is doing with this provision is creating a single official who is now tasked with taking all kinds of different kind of cooperative programs and efforts, whether it's technology, whether it's intel sharing, whether it's joint exercises, and basically fusing those with what the Israeli military does, the IDF does.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, hold it. Joint exercises. The industrial base is one thing that's actually, we have, you know, many different companies working on air programs, missile programs, submarines, all the equipment that goes on Navy ships. I mean, this is, the equipment's kind of legion. Then you have, then you have information or intelligence sharing. Then you have like joint operations. Does this 219 incorporate all of that or is it just. Don't get me wrong, it's the, the, the issue of merging the industrial, industrial bases is massive in and of itself. But are there other things other than the, the industrial basis? Is it intelligence and is it joint operations?
Luke Nicastro
So it's not like joint operational control, but it does make provision for intelligence. It does make provision for information sharing. I mean, the thing to know is that we do a lot of this stuff already. Right. The Pentagon already does a lot of cooperative work with Israel. The difference here is that you now have direction from the Congress saying don't just do this, do more of it. Right. And by putting it in statute, you make it extremely difficult to ever unwind. Right. Because what they're doing right now is basically at the discretion of the President. I mean, historically, you know, the Pentagon has been a little too comfortable kind of doing its own thing. And there's been sort of some kind of like what you could call deep state influences there. But you know, as a general matter, the President could tomorrow direct them to unwind a lot of this cooperation. And if this section 219 gets enacted into law, it will be extremely difficult to do that.
Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, I want to go back to the section itself, the ndaa. Let's pull it back for a second. We've talked to the audience a lot about this, but I want to take another shot at it. We Cabinet departments, Department of justice, others every five years. I think you're supposed to come back and get reauthorized. Right. We, we've had. EPA has never been reauthorized. I think it's been decades, maybe a century since doj. Most of the cabinet departments are never reauthorized. They never go through this process. And number one, like they just figure this will be a firefight every time and they don't want to do it. And so they just kick the can down the road to make sure there's no question whether the, the National Defense Industrial Complex is going to get their money. They never miss a must pass piece of legislation. When you come to Washington on Capitol Hill, you don't have to pass a budget, you don't even have to pass authorizations. All of the stuff that absolutely should be in statute just kicks. Gets kicked down the road with CRS or omnibuses. They get dumped in. They never do the work. It never really sees the light of day. And those fights never see the light of day. But the NDAA always gets. This is a must pass every because. And they always say if you don't do this, the troops are not going to get paid, they're not going to get their payday. And so everybody heaves to in the ndaa. So is that a correct description of the National Defense Authorization Act?
Luke Nicastro
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. And the other thing I'll just note is that, you know, the whole process is designed to allow for as little debate as possible, which is why the House is doing this at the back end of its last week before it goes on recess for five weeks. Right.
Stephen K. Bannon
So do we have. So we have. We don't have an alliance with Israel. Israel is technically not an ally because we've never had an alliance. But. But we do have an alliance, a big alliance with NATO, with the countries of Western Europe kind of Post World War II, and that's expanded to other countries. We have all kind of issues about interoperability and the equipment. You know what, what the British defense. Britain's got some great defense countries, companies. France has got some, Italy's got some. Do we have the same type of language and understand integration got taken out by Representative Anna Paulina Luna at the last second. She fought for that to extract integration. The term integration. But do we have anything even close to being parallel to what we've just passed for Israel with either the United Kingdom or France or Italy or Germany or any other ally that we have?
Luke Nicastro
Yeah, I mean, so the United Kingdom is a good example. I used to work for the Department of the navy on submarine cooperation. And we have some very strong agreements about nuclear technology. You know, the stuff basically that goes in our submarines and on our nuclear weapons. Like, we share a lot of that. We use the same suppliers. You know, we have like a lot of military industrial integration there. And then there are other like, very sort of broad agreements. Nice. NATO as a whole, I mean, there's not something quite as sort of extensive just because, you know, it's such a large group of countries. But there are some precedents. But I mean, you're right to note that Israel is not a formal treaty ally. Right. So this kind of structure.
Stephen K. Bannon
But hang on, but hang on, hang on, but hang on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's go back in the background. You have naval Material command. You have, there are joint projects we work on. You know, there's the problem progress about selling submarines to Australia. There are issues we work on with planes and jets and armament and everything. And we work with partners, we work with some companies and there are carve outs, there are joint agreements and we work on these things. But it's still a case by case basis. And even, you know, the special relationship we have with the United Kingdom and remember, we fought the bloodiest war in mankind's history with them as our alliance partner. And then afterwards in the Cold War. But I can still tell you, being the Navy, we didn't have the same types of ships. They were different. We borrowed some technology. They helped us with gas turbines and so on, all different weapons systems. And sometimes the Brits got a lead on it, sometimes the French, particularly in aerospace, have a lead on certain things. There are joint programs, there are joint venture certain things. But is there anything close to 219? We have a broad mandate to essentially merge the industrial base, the, the, the defense industrial base of the United Kingdom with the United States or the France with the United States or Italy or Germany with the United States, not that I'm aware of. So yes, that, that's, that is a correct answer. So this is pretty unique. And that's why I think people are sitting there going, hang on for a second. What are we doing here? And at first, the language, what they wanted to pass. The language initially said we were going to integrate the industrial bases of the defense industrial bases of Israel in the United States. Walk me through again, walk the audience through again. What will this mean as far as what we actually do by what the statute, how it now reads?
Luke Nicastro
So taking out the integration language was good, but it didn't change a lot of the sort of other problematic aspects of the provision. So you still have a direction, for instance, to cooperate in I think eight or nine technological areas. And they're pretty broad. I mean, it's like biotech, you know, missile defense, AI, like big, you know, cutting edge areas. And so what that means is that you'll see a lot of sort of sharing of our research and exchanges of our scientists. And basically we're going to give them access to what we have and they're supposed to give us access to what they have. But you know, there's a certain lack of reciprocity just because we're such a bigger country. Right. We have so much more, we've done so much more and such an expansive scope for this provision. So you're going to see some of that, you'll see joint procurement, right, which is like the integration of some, like Israeli suppliers into our supply chains, the integration presumably of American suppliers into Israeli supply chains. It's still quite large in scope. And again, the integration language that Representative Lunar's amendment did cut that. And I think from the perspective of sovereignty, like that definitely is worth noting, but the broader intent of the legislation or the provision rather is still intact.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, I mean, this goes to our sovereignty. This also goes to about intelligence, national security. I mean, you know, it was a just a month or so ago, I think some members, I don't think it was Netanyahu himself, but they leaked to the press that hey, if the United States is going to give us a hard time here on, on, on armaments, you know, India's out there, we got the Chinese Communist Party, they got relationships are very close to China. This is absolutely an abomination. Let me be blunt. It is anybody that voted for this, if your congressman voted for it, it's only a handful and there's some surprising names on there. If your congressman voted for this, you ought to light him up and ask him specifically how can we do something we've never done before and why would we do it now? I mean, right now we should be unwinding the relationship to let Israel stand on its own. Israel is not a protector of the United States, not a vassal state. They're not technically an ally because we don't have an alliance. If they want to march to Beirut, if they want to, you know, disarm Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, if they want to march to Damascus, if they want to march to Tehran, God bless them, that's their right as a sovereign nation. But we should have nothing to do with it. We should make a decision right now and all we're doing and this is a cowardly way to do it, to kind of slip this in because this locks in the United States. You heard Netanyahu. Oh, yeah. We don't want any more money. We don't want the ten year. No, maybe one more time. One more ten year mou. We'll just do one more. They want to go through the back door here. This has to be defeated in the Senate or it has to be taken out and vetoed because of this. A full debate and explanation in front of the American people. We can start by you asking your congressman did you vote for this? And if you voted for, please walk me through the reasons that you did vote for it. Okay. If you can stick around, Luke, I'd appreciate it. On a day of the dignified transfers at virtually the same moment moment they voted for this. I don't think you can be more outraged than that. Short commercial break we're going to turn to the worm in a moment. We wouldn't be celebrating America250 if it wasn't for a strong foundation set by the framers. Hamilton built American's financial foundation on the principle of sound stable money, a principle later embodied by the gold standard. However, we abandoned that discipline in 1971 and have since seen inflation erode the dollar's value. What is the foundation of your savings? It is gold or something that can be shaken, disrupted or devalued. Birch Gold Group has been helping Americans solidify their savings with gold for the past 15 years. They help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in gold. 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I mean, it's a very close vote, but it looks like Josh Breachen of Oklahoma, Tim Burchett of Tennessee, Eli Crane of Arizona, Harriet Hageman of Wyoming, Anna Paulina Luna of Florida, Chip Roy of Texas and Tom Massey, Kentucky were the no votes. Some of those are pretty surprising on there. But if, if they are your representative, I would call them and say, hey, why'd you vote no? I'd like to get some information on that. If they voted yes, I would call them also. Why was there not a debate on this topic? This is not a small thing. This is monumental. We've never done this before. We fought the bloodiest war in the history of mankind with Russia and China and the United Kingdom as our allies. And what China and Russia provided just in bodies, right, because we shipped them virtually all the materiel they fought with. The United Kingdom was a true partner. And I realized the United Kingdom was fighting for their freedom, but also for their empire. All kinds of other reasons, but we fought shoulder to shoulder. And then in the Cold War, we've never had this level. Yes, we have joint projects for submarines. We have tons of joint projects because some of the British defense contractors are world class, just like we have some with the French that have defense contractors that are world class, just like the Italians. These certain areas they are experts in. And we have joint projects where we can share technology or we can learn or cut cost and get lower production costs. And of course, Pete and the team over the Pentagon are doing this massive restructuring of defense at a 1.5 trillion. It ain't cheap. And a lot of this money in this, what to talk about, the reconciliation is a kind of down payment so the defense industry can actually move quicker and get up the learning curve faster so that we can get weapons now just from not the big contractors, but these small entrepreneurs. But to do this is different. This is different. And I don't want to hear the pitch. Oh, they're so far advanced in technology, hey, if it's so great, we'll do it on a project by project basis. And if you want to do a bunch of projects, maybe even go into a vertical, this is different. And until Anna Polina Luna took out the word integration, they wanted an integration of both. And here's why they understand. Netanyahu in this crowd understands because of the Israel First Imperial Israel project that has turned off so many people in this country, including many people who are defenders of Israel, that now that we're saying, hey, look, it's a wealthy nation, they had health care, they pay for college, they got to be stroking checks here. Now we're saying we're tired of funding this. We want to stop this now. We don't want to go another 10 years, another MOU. They backdoor in a very cunning move to do this, and they didn't want to do it in the broad light of day. This is something they slipped in and went out of their way not to have a debate on this. And this is not acceptable. This all gets back to the sovereignty of this nation. Is it going to be the oligarchs and the big tech guys? It's going to be the banks? Is it going to be foreign powers? Is the CCP going to come in here and just steal our elections? Is Israel going to dictate to us through, you know, through the misinformation that we got in the bad intelligence, not the exquisite intelligence, the bad intelligence that has, that has us where we are today in Iran. Just see what you see in Iran right now and think about what information, what intelligence got shared at what time to the President, United States, the Commander in Chief. And I find it ironic on one hand and repulsive on the other, that at virtually the very moment you bring those American citizens back, including people who are kids, you bring them back for a dignified transfer to their families here in the United States at virtually the same moment you vote for this. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for not bringing this up for a full and complete debate so that the American people understand exactly what they got into. This is no different than the oligarchs trying to slip in all the, all the things they try to do on AI to make sure they had no guardrails at all, no controls at all. And bill after bill, remember it's the NDA. Last time they tried to get into. This is what they do when they want to hide something, when they want to hide it, they slip it into an NDA and say, well, this is a must pass. The troops aren't going to get paid. You have to do this. We can't go on our 6 week vacation until we get this done. The troops not going to get paid. Hey, the troops would be fine missing a payday or two to have this debated. To have this debated so. Because it leads to exactly what in the hell are we doing in, in the Middle east and who and what are we doing it for? And those questions have to be answered. And they're not going away. If people think you can slip this in, oh, that's going to be fine. It's not going away because people in the United States are tired of it. They want to understand what they're paying for. They understand why the defense bill so big, what is actually the strategy and who's chipping in. Are the Saudis writing a big check? Is UAE writing a big check? Is Qatar writing a big check? Is Kuwait, Bahrain, Pakistan writing a check? Are they still opening the six overland routes to the Chinese Communist Party? Our great allies in Pakistan, our great allies in Saudi Arabia, our great allies in Qatar and UAE, in Bahrain, in Kuwait. We've been there for 47 years now, right? Been there for 47 years. It's time to ask some hard questions. Luke, any closing thoughts or comments? I really want to thank you and Kurt Mills, the team of American conservative following in the steps of Buchanan, right, who started and fought the Iraq War. And God bless, if there were more Americans that had his back back then, we would have not gotten involved in that debacle. Your thoughts, sir?
Luke Nicastro
Look, I would just echo your comments about sovereignty. I mean this isn't an anti Israel thing, right? This is a, this is an American sovereignty thing. Right. And I think that's why the American people should care. That's why our representatives should care. That's why it was such a disgrace that there wasn't a full debate, that this was kind of rammed through at the last minute and it's just not, it's not the decent thing to do. And it's, and I hope you know, it could have potentially like pretty negative long term consequences. So as this continues to go, go to the Senate, go through conference, you know, we have to really be Watching this thing. There will be one last vote. There will be one vote when this comes out of conferen. And so that's, I think, something that's really important to watch. Thank you.
Stephen K. Bannon
This is not anti Israel. I'm all for Israel having its sovereignty. Israel should have its own strategic plan and finance its own military. And if we can work on joint projects, if it fits the vital national security interests of the United States. The vital national security interests, maybe we partner up on some things. I don't see anything in Lebanon that has anything to do with the vital national security industry of the United States or in Syria or in Tehran. You know, now the Republican Party's skipping around and, oh, it's going to be, you know, anti communism is going to be our big theme in November because you've got nothing else. We've warned you about this for years. This didn't happen overnight. What's happening in Manhattan, what's happening in Minneapolis, what's happening in Los Angeles. This is because you are controlled opposition. We have this problem. And I've lectured over and over and over again, the problems of this nation are not in downtown Tehran, they're in downtown Manhattan. This is about the sovereignty of Israel. If Israel is a sovereign independent nation, not a vassal state and not a protectorate of the United States of America wants to take a tank column and drive all the way to Beirut. God bless you if you want to go to Damascus. God bless you if you want to go to Tehran. God bless you. Get all these Fox analysts. Get General Keane, one of the bravest guys we had and a great vice chief of staff for the United States Army. Give him a field command. He'll take in a second. Put four stars on him like the Filipinos. Put it on MacArthur. He'll be the lead tank. God bless you. Send a postcard from Beirut when you get there. Luke, where do they go for American servant? Where they go for your social media, sir?
Luke Nicastro
So the American. Our website, the American Conservative.com spells the sounds. And then we're on Twitter as well at mag and you can follow me at Luke McCastro.
Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.
Luke Nicastro
Thank you.
Stephen K. Bannon
I want to go back to something. The. I want you to contact your congressman today. Contact your congressman. Look, the vote of the Save America act, yes, that's very important, but they're playing games. The Save America act, they're stringing President Trump along. They don't want to do this. You know, it's got to be attached to something. Then they're going to fight it. They had Every opportunity to do the standing filibuster, to get back to the old filibuster like you saw in a version of it in the Jimmy Stewart movie Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Those kind of what you saw back if you were, if you're old enough or if you've even seen the videos. What they did for the civil rights bill and other bills, I think the Voting Rights act and civil rights bills back in the 1960s is kind of historic where the US Senate became a real debating society. They've had every opportunity to do that. Mike Lee has tried to lead the charge. You've had Senator Schmidt of Missouri and others that have tried to push this. You know, Senator Johnson, others have tried to push this. And it just didn't go anywhere because the Senate leadership doesn't want it to go anywhere. The Senate leadership treats President Trump as a lame duck. Otherwise, why do you not have take some official recess? You're leaving for six weeks. Why don't you just declare a recess? Maybe President Trump's got a can think through a couple of recess appointments. John Cornyn, up until I think mid afternoon was holding up the White House on certain ambassador picks, saying, no, no, no, no, no. I haven't seen an appropriations. You haven't funded aids. I guess AIDS relief in Africa age relief in Africa did not meet John Cornyn standards. This is John Cornyn of Texas. This is John Cornyn of Texas that has an Islamic invasion down there. He's never done anything about except, you know, have these videos out on Muslim holidays to thank the Muslims. This is John Cornyn who didn't lift a finger and fought President Trump every step of the way on the border wall. And the people in Texas understood this. This is why Paxton was up by, you know, 10 points. President Trump came in and it was 20 point blowout. As soon as people understood that President Trump didn't have this guy's back, he's the one holding up Kerry Lake and other in other MAGA types from being ambassadors. Now, I understand that's all worked out, but the Senate has not been cooperative. This is something completely different. And look, you don't even have to oppose this. Let's say you even agree with it. Call your congressman out and the staff's gonna blow you up and say, hey, can I just get some talk, can you just give me some talking points? Can you give me a readout? What was his thinking of that? I have some questions. We've never done this before. Why are we doing this now? And particularly when the, when you look at these segments. This very sensitive aspects of AI and others. How can we be guaranteed, how can you be guaranteed that it won't somehow leak out to the Chinese Communist Party or even to India, who's not exactly an ally. But in the Indo Pacific we're quite aligned against the Chinese Communist Party, but we don't have a formal alliance with India either. How can you do this? Why did you do this? And they say, oh, it's costing. Look, on a case by case basis you can still make a decision on a case by case basis, on a weapon system, on a platform, on a whole vast array of technology, but not this. And if APO had put, they wanted the word was integrate. And that was in there for a long time. They wanted to integrate the two defense industrial bases. Now why is that? Part of that is just to play into the permanent wars. And I can tell you from the polling and it's the American people tired. They want to move on. They want to focus on the clear and present danger that is inside the wire here in the United States. If we don't address what Mandami and these folks in Manhattan are doing, if we don't address what is going on in Chicago, if we don't address what's going on in Los Angeles, if we don't address what's going on in Minneapolis and Seattle and Portland and San Francisco and Denver and city after city, if you do not address it now, we are heading towards a civil war. They are playing the John C. Calhoun, they're nullifying federal law in all of those. Doesn't have to happen. Doesn't have to happen. You can stop it now, but you have to have focus and you have to have opportunity costs. You can't be focused other other places. You have to maniacally focus on the invasion that happened in this country because of the stolen election of 2020. It's all quite clear. And all we continue to do is to finance and fund the distractions. See what you see. Who actually controls this country? 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In fact, we're going to have tomorrow some folks on about AI legislation. Other things are going on that the Warren Posse needs to know about immediately. I think what Jennifer Griffin did was so appropriate today. And let's play. Let's play Jennifer Griffin again, her in memoriam to our honored dead at Dover today.
Jennifer Griffin
Bring in now our FOX News chief, national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin. She is in our Washington newsroom watching this with us. Jennifer? Sandra, every president says that this is the most difficult thing, thing that they have to do during their presidency to go to Dover to meet the families and to greet the caskets of the fallen. Knowing that they have sent these individuals, these soldiers to war, it weighs heavily on them. We've heard President Trump speak about that in the past. This is the third time that he has been to Dover since the start of the Iran war. There were the six servicemembers who were killed early on in the conflict when a drone hit their base in Kuwait. There were the six servicemembers who died in the KC135 air refueling plane that went down over Iraq. And now today we have these four other soldiers, First Lieutenant Tyler James Feehan. We're learning more about his life from his family. His family in Utah has set up a scholar scholarship fund for ROTC students at his former alma mater, the University of Southern Utah with the death gratuity, the $100,000 that each service member will be given by the Department of War. And his family has decided to devote that to future service members. He was supposed to return home and get married. His family remembers him as an adventurer. He went to Mount Everest but base camp, he hiked the Camino Trail. He was planning to come home and get married. Then there was Private isabella Gonzalez, just 19 years old. She just graduated last year from high school. She told her English teacher just before she was graduating that she planned to enlist so that she could eventually go to college. She's from northern Texas, from Carrollton, Texas, Sergeant Michael Swinton, his wife from Fayetteville, North Carolina. He was stationed at Fort Bragg. His wife Mia posted a heartrending post on Facebook showing him hugging his four year old daughter. It was the last picture she would take of him through the car window in his uniform as he hugged his four year old daughter. He also had a six year old son. He was killed in northern Iraq when they were to trying trying to disable a one way Iranian attack drone last weekend. And then there is Sergeant Angel Rampersad, we just learned her name and her and received a photo of her 28 year old. Angel Rampersad of Queens, New York. Hershe has been described as believed to be dead because her remains have not yet been identified. They will be identified at Dover but she had been found under the rubble of that drone strike on the Jordanian base. So these four American heroes have returned to Dover. The president, the Secretary Hegseth as well as the Army Secretary Dan Driscoll were there to greet them as well as General Dan Kaine. They spent about three hours with the family members. That's what they do before we see this ceremony and the the flag draped caskets come out of the back of that plane. They spend time individually with those family members. So a heartbreaking moment today at Dover Air Force Base.
Stephen K. Bannon
That's Fox News. Jennifer Griffin, you know her, she's the chief national security correspondent. I thought excellent job there. And also talking about what happens at Dover. The hours would mean the families and discussing with the families, etc. Obviously a very traumatic moment for the families. We are going to tomorrow at 10am we're going to have a lot first of all we've got a lot on the Iran war and what's the kind of the bid in the ask where this thing is headed, particularly also the financing of it. What is the status of NDA? What does this all mean? What is the defense bill mean? Has it fit into everything else? Because I think right now that on Capitol Hill is just all this confusion every day of what is actually happening, what's not happening. We need to try to become the still point in the turning world so you can understand it because it's in times of this confusion where all kind of deals try to get swept in and it's going to be bad enough they're going to come back, they need a cr. They may actually try to do it, although the Senate's got a big supposedly difference in the House. They're going to try to already I told you months ago, they're going to do a CR that's going to take us from September 30th, the end of the fiscal year through the end of the year. And then you're going to get jammed up with an, you know, omnibus. The problem with this is is that it gets you back to the spending of Biden and Pelosi because you haven't passed an authorization act which is actually a law. So Russ vote hasn't had a chance to really do any significant cuts and like we said and project it last year at this time or maybe a little late later in August and September when this is being talked about, we said hey, they're going to do a full year CR and that I think that happened by the time it happened in January, I think or right in December. It's going to lead to a $2 trillion deficit. What deficit we had so far? We've had a $1.4 trillion deficit for the first nine months. Who's reporting that? Not War Room. Those are not our numbers. Those are the numbers of. Those are the numbers of the Treasury Department. It's going to get to 1.8 or 2 I think in addition to what we're talking about now, this $350 billion reconciliation. Reconciliation. Anyway, we'll get to all that in the morning. I want to thank A. Birch Gold, our sponsor, particularly our sponsors today as we decided to avoid most of the sponsors reads because of the gravitas of the situation with the dignified transfer at Dover of these of the honored dead from the Iran war. We'll be back at 10am tomorrow morning. Stick around. Harnwell's gonna pick up here a fantastic show he's got in store. So don't miss that. We'll back here on the main RAV channel at 10am tomorrow morning. I want to thank Birchgold. Take your phone out, particularly if if you have an IRA or 401, you want to maybe roll it into a gold IRA. Those things exist and it's Birch gold and give you all the information. Phone. Take your phone and text ban and B A N N O n nine eight nine Talk to Philip Patrick and the team did such a great job on Saturday. Talk a little bit more about that in the morning. See you back here at 10am when you'll be back. Most Americans are forced to spend too much money on health care and getting too little in return. If you're one of the millions frustrated by traditional health insurance, I want to tell you about America's Health Share. Go to Freedom for all health. That's freedomforallhealth.org Bannon now that's a mouthful. Freedomforhealth.org that's freedomforhealth.org Bannon and discover why tens of thousands of patriots are joining America's Health Share. America's Health Share reduces your health care cost by an average of 60% and it's accepted everywhere. In other words, say goodbye to out of network limitations. They make healthcare affordable, transparent and aligned with your values. Free from surprise bills or skyrocketing premiums. For as low as 68 bucks a month, an individual can get great health care coverage minus the complications and price gouging from health care providers. You can completely scrap your current insurance or use America's healthcare provider to supplement your existing policy even with Medicare. Simply go to freedom for health.org that's freedom for health.org Bannon to learn more. Right now, new members get their first month free with promo code Bannon. It's time to make America healthy. Join the community of patriots taking back control of their health care. That's freedom for health.org Bannon freedomforhealth.org Bannon promo code Bannon make sure you go check it out. Immerse yourself in the details of America's Health Share. You will not regret it.
Episode 5536: Dignified Transfer For US Service Members; Chaos Over NDAA
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Date: July 22, 2026
This emotionally charged episode focuses on two major topics:
Throughout, the tone is somber and urgent—Bannon and his guests argue for accountability, transparency, and sovereignty, interweaving personal stories of loss with warnings about the potential consequences of recent congressional actions.
Jennifer Griffin (12:59; 48:59):
"Every president says that this is the most difficult thing that they have to do during their presidency—to go to Dover to meet the families and to greet the caskets of the fallen. Knowing that they have sent these individuals, these soldiers to war, it weighs heavily on them."
"So these four American heroes have returned to Dover. The president, the Secretary Hegseth as well as the Army Secretary Dan Driscoll were there to greet them as well as General Dan Kane. They spent about three hours with the family members ... a heartbreaking moment today at Dover."
Stephen K. Bannon (16:27):
"It was a dignified transfer. ... It's very intense when they go meet the families beforehand for fallen servicemen."
Bannon (21:05):
"The NDAA always gets. This is a must pass... and they always say if you don't do this, the troops are not going to get paid. ... Is that a correct description of the National Defense Authorization Act?"
Luke Nicastro (22:37):
"Yeah, I think that's exactly right. ... The whole process is designed to allow for as little debate as possible, which is why the House is doing this at the back end of its last week before it goes on recess for five weeks."
Bannon (27:45):
"This goes to our sovereignty. This also goes to about intelligence, national security.... Why would we do it now? I mean, right now we should be unwinding the relationship to let Israel stand on its own. ... This is a cowardly way to do it, to kind of slip this in because this locks in the United States."
Luke Nicastro (39:07):
"I mean this isn't an anti-Israel thing, right? This is an American sovereignty thing. ... It was such a disgrace that there wasn't a full debate, that this was kind of rammed through at the last minute ... and could have potentially pretty negative long-term consequences."
Bannon's Call to Action (41:33):
"Contact your congressman today... We've never done this before. Why are we doing this now?... How can you be guaranteed that it won't somehow leak out to the Chinese Communist Party or even to India?"
The segment lists representatives who voted against Section 219 (e.g., Anna Paulina Luna, Chip Roy, Tom Massey), suggesting these are rare "no" votes on a provision Bannon characterizes as historic and possibly reckless.
"This is not anti-Israel. I'm all for Israel having its sovereignty. Israel should have its own strategic plan and finance its own military... The problems of this nation are not in downtown Tehran, they're in downtown Manhattan."
| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |------------|------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 12:59, 48:59 | Jennifer Griffin | "Every president says that this is the most difficult thing that they have to do during their presidency..." | | 27:45 | Stephen K. Bannon | "...this goes to our sovereignty... this is a cowardly way to do it, to kind of slip this in..." | | 39:07 | Luke Nicastro | "...this isn't an anti-Israel thing, right? This is an American sovereignty thing..." | | 41:33 | Stephen K. Bannon | "Contact your congressman today... We've never done this before. Why are we doing this now?" |
Episode 5536 powerfully combines the personal—honoring the lost and wounded—with a rigorous critique of legislative process and foreign policy. The show demands more accountability, transparency, and public debate at a time of loss and complex geopolitics, urging listeners to become active participants in preserving national sovereignty and questioning the motives and methods behind major government actions.