Episode 5573: Top American General Form Backchannel With CCP

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Bannon's War Room
Title: Episode 5573: Top American General Form Backchannel With CCP
Date: August 7, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon
Notable Guests: James Fishback, Natalie G. Winters, Eric Metaxas

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Episode Overview

This episode covers two primary themes:

1. Florida Gubernatorial Race (Extended Interview with James Fishback):
   The first half focuses on an in-depth conversation with James Fishback, a finance executive-turned-populist candidate contending for the governor's seat in Florida. Fishback details his vision, policies, and campaign strategy, particularly his economic platform and critique of elite influences in Florida.

2. National Security Exposé (Natalie G. Winters):
   The second major topic features investigative journalist Natalie G. Winters, who breaks a story on former U.S. generals allegedly forming secret backchannels with PRC-linked organizations, raising alarms about potential influence operations at the top levels of U.S. defense and policy.

Additional segments include a brief book interview with Eric Metaxas and a rundown of polling data on MAGA base support.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. James Fishback’s Candidacy and Populist Vision

[00:52–22:55]

Background & Policy Priorities

• Fishback, a financial investor turned candidate, outlines why he entered politics and identifies core issues:
  • End the H1B "Scam": Clamp down on companies preferring foreign labor over Floridians ([07:33])
  • Combat Housing Affordability Crisis:
    • End Wall Street and foreign national purchase of homes.
    • Take on the "Airbnb problem"—preventing corporations and speculators from snapping up housing stock ([05:02], [07:33])
  • Reject ‘Affordable Housing’ as Section 8 “sheds”:
    • Fishback advocates for policies restoring the classic middle-class dream: “single family home, three bed, two bath, like my sister and I grew up in” ([07:33]).
  • Firm Stance on Immigration:
    • Proposes the state deny birth certificates to children born to illegal immigrants ([11:01])
    • Rejects work authorizations for TPS holders, aiming to reduce labor market competition ([13:25])

Notable Quotes

• "We are not a nation of renters. We are a nation of owners." — James Fishback ([01:54])
• “If you got a guy from Brazil or Russia or Ukraine coming to Florida...that takes the home off the market, contributes to a shortage which is hurting teachers and cops and firefighters and young couples and everyone.” — James Fishback ([07:33])
• “I am the only candidate in this race who signed a legally binding contract...if I break a single one of my promises to Florida voters, I legally, irrevocably forfeit my run to reelection in 2030.” — James Fishback ([20:29])

Strategy & Campaigning

• Fishback emphasizes on-the-ground outreach, particularly to young and working-class voters:
  • Town halls in all 67 Florida counties, campaign events at Waffle Houses and college diners, and a unique planned "24-hour straight" campaign event ([18:42]).
  • Attributes notable youth support to being present where regular people are—not just at elite Republican dinners ([18:42]).

Rejection of Elite Influence

• Critiques the influx of Wall Street, tech, and out-of-state money as threats to “old Florida values” ([05:02]).
• Firm opposition to DEI practices in his business and in policy: “We need more Main Street and less Wall Street” ([03:18]).

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2. MAGA Movement, Voter Shifts, and Florida Exception

[16:12–18:42]

• CNN’s Harry Enten polling highlighted: Major drop in support for MAGA and Trump among non-college, working-class voters nationally ([16:16–17:11]).
  • MAGA favorability: +6 (2024) to -22 (2026) among non-college voters—a 28pt swing ([16:16]).
  • Trump vote margin: +13 to -19 among non-college voters—a 32pt swing ([17:11]).
• Fishback refutes that this trend is happening in Florida, attributing his local success to policy focus and connecting directly to concerns of working-class youth ([18:03]).
  • “You got to hear them, you got to have a plan for them. And three, you have to actually show up.” ([18:42])
  • Claim: Winning under-35 Republican demographic by “north of 60 points” in his polling ([18:42]).

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3. National Security Exposé: U.S. Generals and Chinese Backchannels

[24:49–42:49]

Main Revelation

• Natalie G. Winters exposes that a cohort of nearly two dozen former top U.S. generals established a secret backchannel with PRC “spy fronts” in the United States, particularly the United Front Work Department, for cultural exchanges and influence operations ([24:49–28:00]).
• These relationships included paid junkets, advisory roles to Chinese telecom companies (i.e., Huawei), and lobbying activities.
  • Example: Ret. Admiral William Bill Owens set up dialogue with Chinese counterparts, then became Huawei consultant ([32:08–32:50]).

Notable Quotes

• “If there’s ever been a more proper time to use the word traitor and treason, this is probably it.” — Natalie G. Winters ([24:49])
• “You don’t sit down with the Chinese Communist Party, let alone their political warfare department ever.” — Natalie G. Winters ([24:49])
• “I believe that if you really go after these people, you will get a lot of indictments. Same with the journalists…but this is probably more clear espionage.” — Natalie G. Winters ([39:30])

Motivations & Broader Implications

• Motivation of involved officers: Money, power, “hatred of Donald Trump and MAGA” (per Bannon), and “symbolic victory” for the PRC ([32:08], [33:50]).
• Systemic problem: U.S.-China lobbying and influence network infiltrating think tanks (Center for American Progress), state/local government, agriculture, and media.
• Natalie reports that the DoJ and Pentagon must investigate for potential espionage, and calls for public identification and legal action against the individuals and journalists involved ([39:30–40:40]).

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4. Eric Metaxas on “Revolution” and the Secularization of American History

[47:09–52:20]

• Metaxas discusses his book “Revolution,” arguing that the founding of America was overtly theistic, contrary to modern secular narratives.
• The mainstream academic/media industry has “been pushing that [secular] view for decades and getting away with it…”
• Quote: “If you read the stories accurately and you don’t hide this kind of stuff, like PBS and Ken Burns hides it… it’s everywhere.” — Eric Metaxas ([50:00])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-----------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:54 | Fishback | “We are not a nation of renters. We are a nation of owners.” | | 03:18 | Fishback | “We need more Main Street and less Wall Street.” | | 07:33 | Fishback | “I don’t want you living in a 500 square foot shed with 30 people in your immediate vicinity. I want you to own a single family home, three bed, two bath…” | | 11:01 | Fishback | “As governor I will direct the Department of Vital Statistics…to never certify a birth certificate of anyone born to illegal aliens in my state.” | | 18:42 | Fishback | “You got to hear them, you got to have a plan for them. And three, you have to actually show up. Not the Lincoln Day dinners…show up and meet them where they are.” | | 24:49 | Winters | “…If there’s ever been a more proper time to use the word traitor and treason, this is probably it.” | | 32:08 | Bannon/Winters | “You are the first person to have the guts and courage to call them out by name. And that’s why they hate it. But still…the question gets to be, why have they done it?” | | 39:30 | Winters | “…if you really go after these people, you will get a lot of indictments. Same with the journalists…this is probably more clear espionage.” | | 50:00 | Metaxas | “If you read the stories accurately and you don’t hide this kind of stuff, like PBS and Ken Burns hides it… it’s everywhere.” | | 20:29 | Fishback | “I’m the only candidate in this race who signed a legally binding contract…if I break a single one of my promises…I legally… forfeit my run to reelection in 2030.” |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:52–22:55] — Fishback on Florida, economy, housing, immigration
• [16:12–18:42] — Discussion of national polling shifts away from MAGA
• [24:49–42:49] — Natalie G. Winters exposé on U.S. generals and PRC backchannels
• [47:09–52:20] — Eric Metaxas on America’s Christian heritage and his book "Revolution"

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Conclusion

This episode provides an extensive look into:

• The grassroots-populist challenge to both Democratic and Republican elites in Florida politics.
• Alarming new claims regarding foreign influence at the highest levels of U.S. military and policy.
• A broader reflection on political realignment, American values, and the need for historical truth-telling in an era of institutional skepticism.

For further reading/listening:

• Fishback’s contract: [fishbackcontract.com]
• Natalie Winters’ reporting: [nataliegwinters.substack.com]
• Eric Metaxas’ book: “Revolution” (available online)

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Note: Advertisements and non-content segments have been summarized but not transcribed.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Prison's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Harry Enten]

And where do people like that go

[Steve Bannon]

to share the big lie?

[Harry Enten]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul,

[James Fishback]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my

[Eric Metaxas]

country, this country will be saved.

[James Fishback]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Friday 7th August, year overlord 2026. We continue on with our interviews or really conversations, not even interviews, conversations with those individuals kind of leading the race to win this primary for the governorship of, of the free state of Florida and to follow Governor DeSantis. James Fishback joins us. James has been on the show, you know, many times. In fact, Fishback, I got a question how we've had you on and you've done some of the most sophisticated breakdown of. In fact I, I still love your thing about why the Fed has always got the interest rates wrong. You go through all the detail and mechanics of that. How does a finance guy transform himself into be a fire breathing throwdown populace? As you've kind of been on the campaign trail in Florida, how's that happen?

[James Fishback]

Well, Steve, good morning. When you stare at the Bloomberg terminal long enough, that fire builds in your belly and you just want to go out and do it for not just the state that I love and my family is called home for four generations, but for this entire country. We're building something incredible on the ground here. When I first got into this race seven months ago, I was polling at nearly 2% all the way up to 2%. Now this is a two man race between myself and Congressman Donalds. It's not about him versus me. It's about the visions that we have for not just the future of Florida, but the future of our great country. And I'm fighting to end the H1B scam. I'm fighting to stop these experimental data centers from being built in our neighborhoods. I'm fighting to stop foreign nationals from buying up our homes and contributing to the housing supply crisis, stop Blackstone and Blackrock from turning our neighborhoods into short term rental communities. Because we are not, Steve, we are not A nation of renters. We are a nation of owners. And this is really a campaign that is fighting.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on for a second. I want to get into your vision, not for the country, but as a governorship, because people are going to say, hey, how can some Wall street guy come in without elective office and actually be a governor of a free state? And the reason it's free state of Florida. DeSantis has done a heck of a job. I'm DeSantis biggest critic when he ran against President Trump, but I'm a big supporter of his, of what he's done. First off, how does a guy with a Wall street tool set, how are you actually going to be a guy that can step in to the role and actually be governor? Given how brutal Tallahassee is as a place to kind of manage, how are you going to do that?

[James Fishback]

It's a great question, Steve. So I was actually the anti Wall street investor. My investment firm, Azoria, which launched at Mar a Lago in 2024, we had an expressed mandate to never that pursue the anti white racism known as DEI. And we successfully channeled $42 million of private capital into small and medium sized companies all over Florida and across the country who wanted to hire people based on merit as opposed to race or gender. And so the way you do it is not be the Wall street guy. I'm the only guy who has called out Wall street for buying up our homes. I'm the only guy who has called out the financialization of the prediction markets that turn President Trump's press conferences into a degenerate gambling casino. We need more Main street and less Wall Street. And so my expertise really is breaking the mold, thinking outside the box and getting the job done. No matter what I was told by Wall street, you're never going to be able to start an investment firm anti D I. That's exactly what we did. We delivered superior returns for our investors.

[Steve Bannon]

So hang on. So this is one of the questions I've asked all the candidates is that so many people I know from Florida, it's almost like Texas, they had this deep, abiding love for Florida, and particularly old Florida. They're there for a reason and have helped support this state. Now tons of people are moving all over the country given the job that Governor DeSantis and others have done down to the free state. But you know Wall street and you know how it transforms things, I mean, Ken Griffin, all these guys are heading to South Florida. What are you going to do as governor to make sure that we still got the Florida that Floridians love. And it's not taken over by Tech Bros. These prologar is not taken over by the lords of easy money that are pouring in every single day into South Florida.

[James Fishback]

Sir, the way you stop it is by remembering what Florida is about. I respect some of these Wall street guys, but Florida is not intending to be a Wall Street. I haven't met a single Floridian from Pensacola to Jacksonville who has stopped me. Steve, and said, please, what is your plan to bring more hedge funds and private equity firms to Florida? We don't want, that is young men to be able to find a woman, marry her and buy a home before the age of 30. We want couples to be able to raise their family on a single income if they so choose. And we want our parents and grandparents to be able to retire comfortably. So how do you stand up to them? You tell them the truth. We are glad that you are here, but with all due respect, don't transform our state into the place that you fled. And I'm not just talking about Democrat crime and I'm not just talking about radical teachers unions. I'm talking about the financialization that is destroying our country and upending the fabric of our society. My view is clear. The future of Florida is not being New York or California or Illinois. In fact, the future of Florida is not in the future. The future of Florida is in our past. In the 90s it was easier to do almost anything in our state. We have to get back to that. And we're not going to be able to do that unless we stop data centers, stop the overdevelopment and the H1B scam, prevent private equity from buying homes and never let foreign nationals buy up our properties in Florida because that's only going to make it harder for cops, firefighters, teachers and small business owners to buy a place of their own and start a family.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, okay, I'm going to play a clip in a second about some. Harry Anton and the CNN guys have some, I think very shocking, alarming news about the MAGA movement. They've been polling about blue collar non college graduates dropping away. But I want to go back to the office. You're actually running for a governor. Fishback, walk me through the policies, particularly for young people. You have obviously galvanized young voters down in Florida. These, we follow very closely. All the things you're doing at these town halls. It's, it's pretty impressive for them. As governor Fishback, walk me through the policies because Tallahassee is a Tough place. And the real estate interests and the, you know, the special interests have had a big say so in how Florida has developed. Right. How what is Governor Fishback gonna do specifically to have the backs of these young people? Talk about, hey, I'm gonna make sure you get a home, make sure you can have a family, make sure the family formation's around. How's Governor Fishback gonna do that?

[James Fishback]

That's a great question. First, quite literally, everything is unaffordable if you don't have a job. And so I met a student from Florida State University in Tallahassee a couple months ago. 4.0 GPA, top of his class, computer science major, didn't study gender studies. And then he went on to apply for 100 different positions at a company. And out of respect, Steve, I won't name the company, but it was Amazon. And Amazon came back to him and said, we are not hiring right now. We're only hiring H1BS. Instead, I would apply a dynamic fine on any of the 1900 companies in Florida that are firing or refusing to hire Floridians and replacing them with cheap foreign labor from India or Pakistan. You cannot put foreigners at the front of the line while qualified Floridians struggle to get work. The H1B program, yes, is a federal issue, but that doesn't prevent a governor, the state, from stepping in and trying to stop it. And what I propose is that companies are doing this because they want to save money. Great. You want to save $20,000 hiring a guy from India, Congrats. You're going to pay a $20,000 annual fine to make up the difference and to eliminate the labor cost arbitrage, which in itself is what fuels this program. When you stop the cost savings, you protect Florida workers. That's the first thing we're going to do. Number two, how do we make it easier to buy a home? Now, here's the difference between me and my opponents. My oppone to do affordable housing. The year is 2030. BlackRock owns everything, you own nothing. And you live in a Section 8 shed. That's what affordable housing is. I don't want you living in a 500 square foot shed with 30 people in your immediate vicinity. I want you to own a single family home, three bed, two bath, like my sister and I grew up in with our great parents down in South Florida. To do that, you have to make housing affordable. To do that, you have to stop Airbnb from buying up all these homes through their speculators. You have to stop Blackstone and blackrock and Wall Street. And yes, you have to stop foreign nationals. If you got a guy from Brazil or Russia or Ukraine coming to Florida, as they often do, to buy up our homes for a vacation property or a tax haven or an investment that takes the home off the market, contributes to a shortage which is hurting teachers and cops and firefighters and young couples and everyone. There's two ways to address a shortage, Steve. One way is to build a bunch more supply section 8 style housing. That's what my opponents want to do. The other way to address the shortage is to prevent the greed and the excess of foreign investors. BlackRock and Blackstone coming into our communities and buying up every last home. Wall street now owns 117,000 homes in my state. That's 117,000 homes that Floridians can't buy, can't own and can't start a family in. So those are two ways, concrete, substantive ways at the state level, whether it's levying a fine on these companies that abuse the H1B or it is levying a dynamic fine on companies that are buying up all of our housing, you create a disincentive, you create a deterrent and you will be able to deter the behavior that we want nothing to do with.

[Steve Bannon]

James, the president is at wits end kind of some of these Supreme Court rulings like birthright citizenship he signed trying to stop birth tourism. We know that other governors are talking about this right now. A bunch of the MAGA base in Texas trying to force Abbott to do something. Understanding it's a lot of federal law. But what would you do as governor on illegal immigration, these asylum programs, all of it in the free state of Florida?

[James Fishback]

It's a great question, Steve. And I want to break a little bit of news here if I will because I'm such a big fan of what you do and such a big fan of war room. The federal government does not issue birth certificates. The states do. And as governor I will direct the Department of Vital Statistics when I am governor to never certify a birth certificate of anyone born to illegal aliens in my state. The Supreme Court can keep playing its games and refusing to actually study the Fourth Amendment, but it's very clear what the 14th Amendment rather represents. And as governor I will not under any circumstances allow the Department of Vital Statistics to certify and stamp birth certificates to the children of illegal aliens.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. Because this is what the MAGA leaders have been trying to get Governor Abbott to do. Brian Harris and this team down there trying to get Governor Abbott to do in Texas. I just want to make sure people understand something. What did you just say about this? What you would do as governor of Florida? Would do what?

[James Fishback]

Let's back up. Birthright citizenship. Big lofty idea. 14th Amendment. The Supreme Court says we're not gonna do anything about it. The people who are born here illegally are actually citizens. Well, actually, the Supreme Court and Amy Kami Barrett, she's not the one certifying the certificates. I'm the one certifying the birth certificates. It would be my Department of Vital Health Statistics that certifies and stamps birth certificates. And what I will direct that department to do when I am governor is I will direct them to never issue, stamp or certify a birth certificate for the children of illegal aliens in my state. Then, then we take real control back and that's how we solve this issue. Remember, the states, the states were not created by the federal government. The states created the federal government. And if the Supreme Court does not have the courage to act here, I'm asking Florida voters to vote for me, James Fishback, on August 18th to put the nail in the birthright citizenship coffin once and for all.

[Steve Bannon]

The temporary. The TPS has been overruled for. The Haitians have been here for 16 years in Ohio. Governor DeWine came out and said, oh, no, they've done such a great job. They've built Ohio. They need to stay. You've had Mark Wayne Mullen that actually gave him a heads up, hey, why don't you go for permanent status under a Governor Fishback? What would be, what would be the status of temporary protective status in the free state of Florida, sir?

[James Fishback]

Well, it turns out, Steve, there's nothing more permanent in Washington, D.C. than temporary protected status. I remember the Haitian earthquake vividly. In 2010, Barack Hussein Obama allowed hundreds of thousands of Haitians to come to my state and actually bankrupt my father's business. He was in the landscaping and tree cutting business. And all of a sudden, when you unleash third world foreign labor on his business line, guess what? He gets undercut. And he lost his business just less than a year after that earthquake and TPS was approved. And so I know the effects personally. Here's what I would do. First and foremost, if you are on tps, you are not going to have work authorization in the state of Florida. Any company in Florida that employs someone with TPS will not be able to do so because we are going to change the law and we are going to enforce the law that we now change. We cannot let you fire qualified citizens employ cheap foreign labor even if it's under the guise of a so called legal TPS program and displace so many hard workers and their families and their futures. And so guess what you'll find out Steve, is that when you tell TPS and employers that they cannot work, that they cannot be employed, that they cannot have access to work authorization, they then lose all the incentive to be here and they will re migrate back to Haiti. We are going to make sure of that. No government benefits for anybody on tps. It is still the case that TPS benefit that TPS beneficiaries.

[Steve Bannon]

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[James Fishback]

Chief Data Analyst Harry and so what's going on here?

[Harry Enten]

What is going on, Mr. Berman? What's going on is simple is the MAGA movement was built among the working class non college Americans. And take a look at this trend line that we're looking at in the data. Here we go. Okay. Net favorability rate. The MAGA movement, non college notes back in October of 2024. Look at that on the plus side of ledger positive plus six points down we go into the Atlantic Ocean. Now look at this movement now, minus 22 points. That is a shift, Johnny B of 28 points away from the MAGA movement, away with non college Americans. So the bottom line is the group at which the Trump movement was built upon. They are shifting away and saying, we don't like MAGA anymore.

[James Fishback]

Same question, same poll here. This is really interesting to see these numbers move like that.

[Harry Enten]

Yes, exactly right. The same question, same poll.

[James Fishback]

All right, so how about what the same group is saying about Donald Trump specifically?

[Harry Enten]

Yeah, okay, so, you know, the idea being, okay, maybe they've soured on maga, but they haven't saved. Sour on maga, but maybe they haven't soured on me. Donald Trump might be saying ain't the truth. Take a look here. Okay. Non college voters on Trump. Hello. Okay. In the 2024 election, he won him by 13 points. Right. That was the reason he won. He won among non college voters, a very strong performance amongst them. And that of course, was the reason he was able to win, because college voters were against him. But look at this now. Minus 19 points. Minus 19 points. We're talking about an even bigger shift here. We're talking about what is this? This is a 32 point shift away from the President of the United States when it comes to, to his key core political group. This is why he's in so much trouble. It's not just that college voters are against Trump now. It turns out that non college voters, the ones that he built his presidential bid on, have waved adios, goodbye. See you later, Mr. Trump.

[Steve Bannon]

Let me have it. Okay, Fishback, I'm not looking for a theoretical answer to this and I'm not looking for you to be a pundit. So I don't need advice to President Trump and I don't want to talk about the nation overall. One thing is very obvious about your campaign. You have galvanized young people and working class people in the free state of Florida. How have you done it? What is the response? Why does it seem like in your campaign it's quite different than maybe some of the national numbers we're seeing? What have you done and what have you talked to these folks about? To have such a enthusiasm among. It looks like the very demographic that on a national level it may be drifting away from us.

[James Fishback]

Sir, I've told them the truth, that things are not getting better. It is getting harder to get a job, to buy a home and to start a family. When my dad was growing up in South Florida in the 1960s, half, half of 30 year old men were married and owned their home. Today, that's less than 15%. And so I haven't just addressed their issues, I've actually advanced a substantive plan to make homeownership more accessible, to protect American jobs right here in Florida. And I also think that we've been very clever by how we've shown up. We've gone a Waffle House tour, we showed up and had 300 people at multiple Waffle Houses. I've done a state college tour, we went to Taco Bell. We've done late nights at diners, early sunrise events. Next week, Steve, I'll make history to be the first candidate in Florida to campaign for 24 hours straight from midnight to midnight, 12 different events all around the clock. And so one, you got to hear them, two, you got to have a plan for them. And three, you have to actually show up. Not the Lincoln Day dinners, not the Madison Day dinners, but show up and meet them where they are. And that's what our campaign has done. The latest polls have us winning under 35 Republicans by north of 60 points. Steve, that is a third world dictator margin. Some would say that is Kim Jong. Unbelievable.

[Steve Bannon]

James Donalds is a sitting Congressman. Renner has been the former speaker of the House. Collins is the current Lieutenant Governor. You're a fire breathing populace from Wall Street. Make the case for a couple of minutes as we close out with you. Why should people risk a vote that you can actually not just win an election, but actually govern the free state of Florida?

[James Fishback]

Sir, I respect my opponents. I won't come on here and slander them. I believe President Reagan's 11th Commandment to never speak ill of your fellow republic. Here's what I'll say. My opponents collectively have 34 years of political experience. If they had a plan to address the H1B crisis, to bring down property taxes, to lower insurance and to protect Florida, they would have done it already. They've been in office for 34 years. I, for the last decade have been building a business, investing capital in businesses all over my state and fighting for the values that we care about. You're right. I don't have any political experience and I am proud of it. Neither did President Trump, really. Neither did Governor DeSantis, neither did a guy by the name of Ronald Reagan. And sure as heck Neither did the 35 year old named James Madison, the 28 year old named Thomas Jefferson and the 21 year old named Alexander Hamilton. I believe that young men built this country and young men will save this country. I am the only candidate who has ever held town halls in all 67 of the Florida counties I have shown up. I have take tough questions and most importantly, I don't believe in this era of trust me bro politics. I believe politicians in Both parties, the Democrats, sure, but even the rhino neocon Republicans have lied to us. That's why I'm the only candidate in this race who signed a legally binding contract, Steve that if I break a single one of my promises to Florida voters, I legally, irrevocably forfeit my run to reelection in 2030. You can see that full [e-mail] and I'll leave you with this. I believe that to make good policy you need to be able to hear directly from the voters. I'm asking any voter who is undecided who has any questions for me to personally email me at jamesishback2026 com. I've been working through hundreds of emails in just the last couple of days. I want to hear directly from Florida voters what is the number one issue for you and your family? And I want to give you the opportunity to hear directly from me because I hope I can earn your vote in the Republican primary on August 18th.

[Steve Bannon]

James Also, social media people want to find out where they go, where they see you the 24 hours, where they go to get all the details, all the details.

[James Fishback]

JAMES Fishback if you just search that on social media you'll be able to find me and what we just started a new site this morning. It's called67fishback.com going off of of course the six and the fact that we do have 67 counties here in Florida. What I'm asking supporters of ours to do is to go to67fishback.com start a group chat with that website with your friends and family in Florida, tell them where you're going to be early voting. Using the website they can find out where to early vote. Early voting starts in Florida in all counties tomorrow. My wife has already early voted. We need everybody to hit the polls. We need this to be too big to rig. I would be honored to serve you, your family and the state that we love by being our state's 47th governor.

[Steve Bannon]

James Fishback Good on you sir. Glad you could make it this morning. Thank you very much for being in the war room.

[James Fishback]

Thank you Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

James Fishback we had him on a bunch as a financier and now he is a fire breathing particularly with young people. It's pretty extraordinary. You'll see some of the videos. Watch it. Natalie G. Winners girl what in the hell have you done in all the years that you've been putting up great research and amazing stories and breaking down things and having investigations to start, all of it. I have never had a Firestorm from official Washington like we've had after your exo say I've guessed what they call the false flags. Now let's go back. I want to hit rewind because I want to go back over this. People are saying, you know, please don't just have that as a passing news story. What's going to be done about it? It's bad enough the journalists, I know you're going to break out the story of the journalists, but what you hit the other day was to the heart, I think, of what people have the problem with who governs us. Can you just go back and tell us what your expose was about and what you found out?

[Natalie G. Winters]

Well, I know you're a very busy man, so I'm sorry for blowing up your phone, but I guess for good reason. This story, I think, is sort of the convergence of all of my many years of reporting on PRC influence campaigns. But in this case, it's not people. It's not random journalists, though. Important, useful idiots, the propagandist types. But this is, I think, more nefarious and actually gets to the heart of just straight up selling out the country. If there's ever been a more proper time to use the word traitor and treason, this is probably it. But a cohort of nearly two dozen former generals, military leaders including, and up to the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and people who are basically just one or two rungs below him, established a secret back channel with basically the foremost PRC spy front that exists within the United States. Not just to get documents, to steal information, to do IP theft. Except it's not theft when you have people like this giving it to them, but also the tip of the spear of the sort of propaganda information campaign that's of course, the United Front work department, that's these pay for play China trips that I've been exposing. But this is the fusing, the fusion of that apparatus with straight up the political warfare department of the pla, flying these generals over to China to participate in these dialogues where they make them feel super special. And what they are hoping for is to basically curate and cultivate these people on their dime. I'll be blunt, to give them access to information that they want so they can better understand United States military plans. It's no coincidence that most of these people are coming from the exact theater of war that the Chinese Communist Party is most interested in. Right? That's what would go down in the South China Sea. I also think, Steve, the key point here to emphasize for what I'm sure The defense would be from these total losers is that it's cultural exchange. Well, then I would say, you know what, Steve, we have a serious problem in our military. If these people, after decades of going up against the Chinese Communist Party, think that their political warfare department is something that you can just engage with amicably and like friends, then maybe I understand why we're in such a poor footing against the Chinese Communist Party. But just to set the stage, we can read the names after the break. On one side of the table, you have the most elite expert PRC spies. People seeking and historically have turned Americans to sell them documents, to give them classified information like out of a spy movie. Take your pick. And on the American side of the table, you have a bunch of former people who used to feel important because they used to have high ranking titles and the taxpayer dollar and trust basically showing up. Like I said, I would compare them to prostitutes saying, just tell me what the price is and I'll give you what you want, whether that's documents. And honestly, Steve, it's an affront to begin with. You don't sit down with the Chinese Communist Party, let alone their political warfare department ever.

[Steve Bannon]

Natalie G. Winters, stick to the break. You're on the other side. Feels like our country finally has momentum again with our leaders fighting to restore common sense in America first. But we've seen this before. Conservatives get comfortable and the left starts taking background inch by inch. We cannot let that happen in these midterms. America needs every one of us in the fight. And a big part of that means supporting companies that actually stand for our values.

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[James Fishback]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

[Steve Bannon]

So, Natalie, I just want to make sure, I want to be clear to the audience. I know this audience has been with us for years to know this. But in this political warfare, given the understand inside the Pentagon, let me say people are always focused on the Chinese Communist Party, the three island chain. What we say about the Pacific and the defense of Taiwan and Centcom, as I said, is like the Federal Reserve, CIA and Centcom are the three gravitational forces in, in D.C. but make no mistake about it, when you're talking to insider, talking to people, they understand the Chinese Communist Party as it is in Iran. You wouldn't have Iran with the resilience it has and has shown tremendous resilience if it wasn't for the Chinese Communist Party and their junior partners in Pakistan. Please take your number two personal out on that. So knowing what the reality is inside the building. Natalie G. Winters understanding how brazen the political warfare because remember, in unrestricted warfare, what the Chinese Communist Party came to the conclusion is that we never want to fight the foreign devils in kinetic war because the foreign devils know how to line up and just give it. And we don't want to do that. We're not going to do that. We're going to defeat them in unrestricted warfare at the top of unrestricted economic warfare, psychological warfare, political warfare. So this is not something people don't know about. They don't talk about a lot on media. They don't want to push it out to the hinterlands. But among the military industrial complex, state of Washington D.C. and the intelligence community and the surveillance community and the acquisitions community and all the money, this is a known thing. Therefore, how possibly, what is the motive of the list of names you're about to give us? Because these are among this current generation's top flag officers is the motivation. Power is the motivation. Money is the motivation. Hatred of Donald Trump and maga. What is it? Because do you agree with me this is not a hidden thing. You are the first person to have the guts and the courage to call them out by name. And that's why they hate it. They hate being exposed. But still the question gets to be, why have they done it, ma'? Am?

[Natalie G. Winters]

Well, remember, these are the same people who like, wouldn't even sit at a table with President Trump. A lot of these types resigned in protest, won't even give MAGA a seat at the table, but they'll meet with the Chinese Communist Party for some euphemistic reason that I still don't even know what the spin would be. Steve and I think too, political warfare sure may be materially distinct from kinetic warfare, but it's kind of the prerequisite Right. They just would prefer to not go kinetic. But the point is that you can still going not going kinetic is a means to an end. You can still achieve that same end if you literally are able to compromise. The former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And this is something that goes past President Trump. Right. This started way before and there's been a lot of interesting rebrands of this particular program. It started out as the Sonia initiative, but it really is a system systemic calculus that these various United Front groups follow here in the United States. And I would caveat all this, Steve, with yes, none of these names that I'm rattling off for you or this institution or this program, or take the journalists for example. They were never public by design. Right. I like sleuthed these names out, you know, deep in the documents, translating stuff. But this is still quasi registered under Farah. Right. Like some of these lobbying groups groups. The formula there being that various Chinese united front group that's maybe like three shell iterations away from the Ministry of State Security. Probably slap a Hong Kong label on it. So it's a little more palatable. Will retain some form of DC based lobbyists. BLJ Worldwide, Wilson Global, those are some of the top ones, at least for qcef. And they'll pay them tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. One of the top lobbyists, you want to go full conspiracy here for QSF was actually the Podesta Group. They were paying them nearly a million dollars a year. The buried lead there, obviously getting influence over the center for American Progress, which was the think tank that is basically the ideological underpinning of both the Biden and Obama administrations. But once they get these lobbying firms on the payroll, they kind of short circuit and fast track access into the Washington insider class. And in this case this one started back, I think the lobbying contract started around 2007. The first dialogue was in 2008. And it's really interesting because you can see this dialogue evolve and morph into not just the generals, but sort of this vertical and horizontal integration where you see them then bringing in active generals. At that point, they had the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs meeting with I believe the CMC Commission leader. They also were meeting with Hillary Clinton, bringing them into the State Department in 2009. But to answer your question about the motivations, which I would say I've heard deafening silence from these people on this story. And it's not like I don't know no one other than the literal Secretary of War, Pete Hexath, Literally, quote, tweeted my story and shared it. So I know all these people have seen it. I'm sure they're getting hounded in the comments. But I think the best example of why these people do these things is none other than someone who, I hope when this audience thinks of what a traitor is, you think of Admiral William Bill Owens, someone who basically was the U.S. originator of this dialogue since, like I said, 2008. And after helping to set this up, really spearhead that vertical and horizontal integration of this whole program, became a consultant, an advisor for Huawei. Talk about infiltrating this country in a non kinetic way. Okay, I guess it's the technical infiltration that of course is the CCP telecom company that is both a spy front, also a national security threat that was of course later blacklisted by the Trump administration. But he was actively lobbying for them, trying to get Sprint to use their products and embed them in the United States, then went on to literally complain in like congressional testimony, writing op eds, saying, and I quote, I object to the way Huawei was treated in the United States because it's unfair. But later he went on to write an op ed titled, quote, america must start treating China as a friend. And now he and one other participant in this dialogue, a woman who was just sort of a supporting role, they have an advisory group called Red Bison Advisory, where they help Chinese companies get a foothold in the United States. So when you really start pulling the threads to this. And by the way, that's only public because he had to register with Farah for that. And he literally is dumb enough to write op eds that are so glaringly, I mean, basically coming from the PRC internal international department. But all of these other people, I think warrant investigation into this is why I've been beating the drum for the doj, not just to go after these individuals, but to investigate all of the journalists, particularly the lobbyists who worked with qcef. But Steve, this goes so much deeper too. Concurrently, you have the same groups that make up the backbone. So here you have QCEF working in conjunction with the actual political warfare department of the pla, but you also have QCEF working with a similar organization, which is CPAFC and Bill Gates, because of course, but they have the farmland spinoff of this. So they're going after the mayors, the local agriculture officials, getting them to write the op eds, push the papers and push the collaboration, saying that China shown farmland in the United States. And Steve, I would also add one other layer to this. I'm aware this is all over the place. But there's so much to distill here. Part of it is the actual, like boots on the ground compromise. I mean, as someone who follows PRC infiltration, it is very often that you see a new DOJ indictment about someone who used to have some position at some government agency. Sometimes it's literally just because they were DMed on LinkedIn, giving over classified documents to the Chinese. In some cases, it's for like $10,000. There's like a ton of active cases ongoing right now. There was one just a few months ago. The highest levels of the Pentagon, selling and turning over documents. But it's also symbolic for the Chinese. Right. Even President Trump going over to China, that is such a symbolic win for them. I forget the exact year because it was slightly distinct from this program. But Tung Chee Hua, who is the chairman of qcef, the group that is responsible for all of this pay for play stuff and is just a front for the Chinese Communist Party, there's no way around it. I'm not being anything other than truthful here. This guy, it's basically like inviting Xi Jinping's global international propaganda spokesperson. They actually invited him, believe it or not, to West Point, and he gave a speech there, and you can see pictures of him talking there. A lot of professors at the NDU and even some at West Point have co sponsored and co authored papers with qcef. And part of it is a symbolic victory for the Chinese. But I think you also have to understand, and frankly, Steve, I think it's why we get so maligned as crazy China hawks here on this program. Yeah. If you drink the Kool Aid that the PRC International propaganda department is giving you, that collaboration with China is great, then yeah, you're probably going to think I'm crazy. But if you actually see China for what it is, which you gave me, that worldview, it's true. Read the Chinese Communist Party's own writings. You understand that collaboration is not mutually beneficial. And by the way, collaboration is a pipe dream. You can't collaborate with your existential threat. And case in point, Steve, here's the other thing too. If you want to make the argument that dialogues like these are essential for preserving peace between the United States and China, look at the footing of the Chinese Communist Party right now. What was it just about a month ago? They're publishing their first white paper ever where they're literally declaring that they are in charge of the New world Order. Look at how aggressive they've become in Taiwan. Have you seen any of These generals, any of these people go on mainstream television, sign some letter saying, hey, maybe what the Chinese Communist Party is doing here because of this inside information that I have, because I'm so close with them, maybe let's use that for good, for the national security of the United States of America. No, they're buying their silence. That's the point. So there's so many layers to all of this. I would encourage the Pentagon to investigate these people. I'd encourage DOJ to look at what materials were handed over. I would truly bet my journalistic career that if you really go after these people, you will get a lot of indictments. Same with the journalists, though I don't know exactly what that charge would be. This is probably more clear espionage.

[Steve Bannon]

I want everybody to go to the substack and over the week, we're headed back next week to go through names. Why did the Secretary of War, given everything he's got going on, why did Pete Hegseth retweet you couldn't have been more blistering in naming names. Why did Pete Hexet, the Secretary of War, retweet your hit here on the show the other day and your substack.

[Natalie G. Winters]

I think this story confirms everything that this audience and this movement has known for a very long time. It's just not so often that you see it in your face. And most importantly, Steve, which I think is with this audience and maybe why the Harry Enton polling is going the way it's going. We want action. We want names from the administration, vague pronouns and modify. You know, I just says, I have an issue with they, them pronouns. I have an issue with President Trump and John Solomon, all them using they, them to describe people, where their identities are there you just gotta reveal them. And you know what? You gotta indict them too, because there's a lot there. At least put them through discovery. You can read this article. I found yet another pay for play junket about 54 more names of journalists who are getting briefed by the CCP's International Propaganda Department, which you'll have to read. I will put it out on Monday if I'm still alive. But in the meantime, it really means a lot. If you can subscribe, it's free. You can go to Natalie Gwinter, substack.com I'm beating Hunter Biden on the charts of popular substacks and I would like to keep it that way. So if you can subscribe, it helps me with that crusade and to keep calling out these people. So thank you Steve, for having me on. And these people should be indicted very.

[Steve Bannon]

I want everybody, if we can put it. I want everybody. It's free. The substack. And there's not a better investigative reporter in all the country. And this latest one, the journalists are bad enough, but we've understood that they're the enemy of the people. What is shocking is that some of the highest levels of the uniformed services, people we never thought would turn their back on the country are actually in business with the Chinese Communist Party. Natalie G. Wooners, it took you to do it. Thank you very much, ma'. Am.

[Natalie G. Winters]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Trying to get Captain Funnell, Captain Fennell, he and Brad Thayer wrote a book. A couple of years ago, there was an indictment. You know, Frank Gaffney wrote the book, the Indictment. Then they came out about how the elites in this country had turned on the people about the Chinese Communist Party. It is the existential threat that faces

[Eric Metaxas]

us

[Steve Bannon]

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[Eric Metaxas]

Well, it's funny because I didn't know you were going to ask me that question. But I have an answer for that. I think, Steve, this has happened to me many times in my career, right? I write something and I'm kind of naive. I just think, I just want to tell the truth and Tell the true story. But what I don't realize in the course of doing that it happened with my Bonhoeffer book, and it's happened with this book on the American Revolution. What I don't realize in telling the true story is that there has been a universe telling a different story, a whole world making money off of a different version. They've been pushing that for decades and getting away with it for decades. And then I kind of stumble into it like, you know, the boy in the fairy tale, the emperor has no clothes and I say, hey, the emperor, he's not wearing anything. And everybody wants to blow my brains out. And I think that that's what happened with the Bonhoeffer book. And it's what happened with the book and the revolution. There has been an industry, a secular industry, mostly the academy and, you know, not just universities, but also the media that they have put forward a lie. They put forward a secular view of reality. They say, okay, God doesn't exist. And so, you know, life evolves out of nothing by accident. You don't need a God to create life. You're not made in the image of God. Forget about God. We're just going to pretend that God doesn't exist and we're going to create this reality that every good thing that you like can come without God, including liberty. The United States of America, our founding, the idea of self government, all that stuff just happens. You get it from French atheist philosophy, you don't need God. Well, that's not true. And when I said I want to write a book on the American Revolution, I wasn't setting out to write a book about God and the founding. I wanted to just, just as you know, because you read the book, just tell the story, the beautiful stories of the larger epic story of the birth of America. And in the course of doing my research, I was over and over and over astonished at the centrality not just of God, but of people consciously, explicitly trying to do the will of God, trying to create a government that really is a biblical form of government. How does that work? Well, we have to. It's like going back to the Sinai covenant. We come out from under Pharaoh and out of Egypt and we look directly to God as our king. All of that stuff amazed me. And so my book, as you know, is not about that, but it's all through the stories. If you, if you read the stories accurately and you don't hide this kind of stuff, like PBS and Ken Burns hides it, and like a lot of these academics hide it, it's Everywhere. And I think for about 200 years, most Americans knew this. They knew that the Great Awakening led to, you know, preparing the ground for people to govern themselves, prepared the ground for the Declaration of Independence. People knew this for about 200 years. But in our lifetime, people have been secularizing everything, have been just trying to shove it away. And I kind of stumbled into that. And so I think there's a lot of anger on the left. I'm guessing this is why Barnes and Nobles will not put these books in the front of the stores or hiding them in the religion section or something like that. This is not a religion book. It's an American history book. But I really think that part of the larger story is that we're at a moment in our history where we have to rediscover these truths that most Americans have to learn or have to be reminded. Listen, you do not get liberty and equality and flourishing without God. The idea of the free market, all of this stuff, the idea of respecting people with whom you disagree, all of this stuff comes out of the Bible. It doesn't come out of the Koran. It doesn't come out of French philosophy and atheistic philosophy. You don't get it from Marxism or socialism. And I think that, you know, that is honestly, in this day and age, this is big news. It didn't used to be big news. You know, we put in God our. In God We Trust on our coinage. During. Under Eisenhower, most of America still got this memo. But something happened, as we know from the 60s and onward, where we tried to shove God out and tradition and all these values just pushed away. So suddenly it becomes big news.

[Steve Bannon]

We got about 45 seconds. Where did they get the book? And where did they find out where you're next so they can meet you in person and ask you a few questions?

[Eric Metaxas]

Well, if my flight takes off, I'll be in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, tomorrow. And on Sunday, I would order the book from Amazon. At this point, the price is pretty low, and you can get it tomorrow or you can start reading the Kindle version today. But usually Amazon is the best. My website is eric metaxas.com I ask people to sign up because we've got all kinds of updates. Ericmetaxis.com and obviously I'm on Instagram and on X and I hope people will order the book and start reading it as soon as, as possible, because we're way behind in terms of knowing what we need to know to save the Republic,

[Steve Bannon]

the taxes. We're going to see you tomorrow. Good Trip to South Carolina, Myrtle Beach. Doesn't get any better than that. Nothing but patriots. Ericman taxes. The book is Revolution. Buy it. Buy it for a young person. Buy it for somebody that says, hey, I don't understand why you're maga. I don't understand why you listen to War Room. Get them Revolution. They won't put it down. Charlie Kirk next posted. We're back at five. The show is already packed. See us back here at 5:00pm Eastern Daylight Time. Today you'll be back in the world.

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