
WarRom Battleground EP 673:The Judeo Christian West Relies On MAGA ...
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Steve Bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
Dave Brat
I mean, every day you're out there, what they're doing is blowing people off. If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Steve Bannon
Because this is just like in Arizona.
Dave Brat
This is just like in Georgia.
Steve Bannon
It's another element that backs them into.
Dave Brat
A quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you, this is the fight. All this nonsense, all this spin. They can't handle the truth.
Stephen K. Bannon
War room battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Dave Brat
Okay, welcome. It's Monday 16th December, year of alert 2024. Thank you, Natalie, for tossing it to us. And we're here. We're in New York City, the world's financial capital. Dave Bratz. Dave, I think I did a calculation today. I think Dave is last man standing. Our economic team Besson, Secretary treasury has it, who we've had a good friend is going to be over nec. Peter Navarro, senior counselor, Manufacturing Trade. Trenard and EJ are working out what they're going to do or not. Let's assume that they somehow are involved and go in. I think that leaves me, you of the crack unit we had. We now have Dave Brat. But it's pretty good that we got the professor with us. You're gonna have the shoulder, a big burden.
Stephen K. Bannon
No, I'm gonna go.
Dave Brat
Are you gonna go in? People ask me all the time, are you going in?
Stephen K. Bannon
We'll. We'll see if a great. I would love to kind of message between the populist base, the war room, possibly.
Dave Brat
Would you go over. Would you go over work in NEC and be a com shy.
Stephen K. Bannon
Sure, absolutely.
Dave Brat
Oh, we can make that work. We'll get you an interview this week. Seriously?
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
We're doing this on air. I haven't seen. Here's the reason I haven't seen Brett. Because you went to Ukraine. Now it came to that. Always we bring the whole team to the New York Young Republicans Club dinner because it's the club of Teddy Roosevelt. It's the really the biggest populist nationalist club in the country. They do such a great job and here they've really set these boroughs on fire. So I invited the whole team and Dave had a table. I mean all my buddies, you know, Mike Davis, Dave, everybody. And of course I couldn't sit down because the thing last night was it started very small years ago and I think I talked at the first one, but I haven't seen you. And the place last night was crazy.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
Because by the time I stood up, they asked, hey, we'd be. The keynote speaker last year was President Trump. Now, President Trump did show up at 10:30 and spoke an hour and a half and it was mesmerized. I think it's the best he's ever done. It was like he was both Mort Saul and Trump. He was talking about the headlines. And this was really the kickoff. The primary started less than four weeks later.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
But last night I got up there at 11 and there was a 2000. It was the first. It's a huge space. It's the most classic space thing. Huge space. These people have been drinking since 6:00. The cocktail party started at 6. But most of them have been partying for two or three nights here in New York City. Right. Receptions. So. Because this is the big annual dinner weekend and given the victory and what this club did for the victory. So I get up there and I had kind of a speech since it's New York City and finance guys. I was going about the bond market. I had all this thing. And as soon as I walked out to the back, Motex me out. It's pitch Black. But there's 2,000 people. And I can tell they're five hours into having a good time. And it sounded like a 747 jet. So I just got up there, said, heck with it. I'm throwing bombs. I'm trying to go full time.
Stephen K. Bannon
Nigel couldn't even tamp him down. The crowd was rowdy. And Nigel's great, man, because he's yelling at him. He couldn't tamp.
Dave Brat
No, they were too loud. They were just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's too much.
Stephen K. Bannon
You got Corey, Prime Minister. Right.
Dave Brat
Next prime minister of the United Kingdom. So I haven't seen you.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
And you went to Ukraine. And there are a couple guys in the folks. A couple of people in like the chat and even on Twitter. Degrees.
Stephen K. Bannon
Where's Brad?
Dave Brat
Why hasn't Bannon mentioned Brad? And I'm kind of telling. Gracie's on a top secret mission. Ukraine. I don't want to say he's Ukraine. They make kidnapping the Russian agents or the oligarchs.
Stephen K. Bannon
Me, I was.
Dave Brat
Tell us about Ukraine.
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, it was great. I went with a bunch of Christian leaders from universities and think tanks and heritages and all these folks. And we got to meet with the top, you know, the generals, the top.
Dave Brat
What was the purpose?
Stephen K. Bannon
Religious leaders.
Dave Brat
Why did you Go. Why'd you go with that crowd?
Stephen K. Bannon
They want to get conservatives on their side for more weapons in the war and I'm not there.
Dave Brat
But you're saying it's pretty obvious what they're doing, trying to tell their. And I don't blame them.
Stephen K. Bannon
No, they're Ukrainian people.
Dave Brat
They want to. But the guys in charge want to get more funding and they say, hey, I get opinion leaders and smart people from the Christian right. Right. That should buy into this. And no.
Stephen K. Bannon
And you're sympathetic. Right? Toward the Ukrainian people. But you know on this show Mearsheimer going way back.
Dave Brat
But I'd be sympathetic because I keep saying the guys that supported the Bolsheviks and the Soviets are the guys anti Putin and Putin's a bad guy. But the Russian people are part of the Judeo Christian West.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes.
Dave Brat
So how do we justify a war?
Stephen K. Bannon
No, you don't.
Dave Brat
Of one Christian people. Hey, there's not a lot of us in the world. Right. The Christians should be fighting each other.
Stephen K. Bannon
They are pawns. Right. Our CIA and START State Department did a coup back in 14. Right. And then you've got RFK's got a great summary of all this kind of thing. After the wall came down, Gorbachev got rid of 400,000 troops in East Germany and then nuclear weapons. Yeah. And then he said, I want one condition from James Baker III and that's you're not going to move one inch to the East. Right. And so we lied and we took over 14 NATO countries since.
Dave Brat
And they got rid of their nuclear weapons. Yes, the Soviets got rid of the.
Stephen K. Bannon
Nuclear weapons and we asked Ukraine to do that too. So we left them unarmed. And then it turns out all the.
Dave Brat
Russians didn't get rid of theirs. I'm saying they allowed the nuclear weapons in Kazakhstan and Ukraine were taken out.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes.
Dave Brat
So two big launches.
Stephen K. Bannon
We wanted that to happen too. So they're defenseless. So we're guilty. Right. And I had to explain. I said I'm sorry for what the US policy has done to you. That's why I'm sympathetic. But there's no way out right now. I said the longer you wait, the further Russia moves west.
Dave Brat
What is when they have you guys and people should know. Brett, being a former congressman and now a Warham co host, but particularly down at Liberty is a very guy at the top level. When they have you in the room with these other top level guys, just give the audience what's the pitch? Well, how they. What do they sit there and tell you guys? Well, to try to get your support.
Stephen K. Bannon
They bring in the generals and the military leaders. We met with all the highest, the Orthodox leaders, the Jewish leaders, the muftis, the Christian Catholic leaders. And they're all, you know, they're being bombed, right? So the pitch is our people are being bombed. So in the intermediate run, you're stuck. Right? We're in a terrible position because we led them down the primrose path.
Dave Brat
They, Zelensky, do they know that?
Stephen K. Bannon
Oh, yeah, no, they said. And what do you mean they said? And I said, we're using.
Dave Brat
They blame the West.
Stephen K. Bannon
No, they don't even blame because they're in a terrible spot. Right? So I said, you can't blame when.
Dave Brat
They need cash, we're using you.
Stephen K. Bannon
And they go, we know, but we need that. We want to be used because it's our, it's our only way out. And then all the NATO countries, I found out a little secrets along the way. They have to go through our U.S. defense Department for weapons systems. Right. So we got a built in monopoly there. And so then that makes you even more cynical. I mean, and then you just keep learning and learning and learning.
Dave Brat
What else did you learn?
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, just the history and the oligarchs. And I think. I see, I think I learned Trump's secret sauce is he doesn't even deal on a level of nation states. I think he goes in and talks to the oligarchs who run countries, including here. And they got a choice, like you said earlier on today's show in the morning, they got a choice to make coming up. You can either have the French Revolution or you can have this constitutional populist economic revolt done the proper way, where you pay attention to the American people again. And they, you know, it's easy. The ccp, right. The Chinese should get rid of Xi Jinping and Ukraine never should allow the movie star in. And he.
Dave Brat
Zelensky.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah. And then we turned him. Right. Our State Department aficionados who are on the show, mentioned on the show every day. Right?
Dave Brat
You're going full conspiracy theory. Do you actually believe this after going to Ukraine? Is there evidence in front of your eyes when you go there that reinforces your beliefs? Are the war rooms beliefs that we talk about all the time after being there and being pitched for a week, understanding they needed you and needed these other guys to come back and say, hey, we should give the Ukraine more weapons? Do you believe that your thinking beforehand was informed by facts on the ground as you saw them?
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah. Nothing changed the overarching narrative. What changed is your heart. Right. I Mean, in theology, there's systematic theology and then there's pastoral care. So you can be correct. Systematic theology wise. Right. You got the right answer. But if your heart doesn't reach out to the people who are getting killed in the meantime. Right. The Russians and the Ukrainians and, you know, and I saw Tucker's interview with the Russian Lavrov.
Dave Brat
What'd you think of that?
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, he's appealing to human rights, language in Russia. And, you know, and I'm going, come on, man. Smart guy, shifty, shifty guy. And our church and our left and our liberals can't use that lingo for a win. I mean, he's putting the terms of the ethical debate out in front of you and they're a disaster. You know, self determination and all this kind of stuff.
Dave Brat
For the audience, there is, according to President Trump and some other things. We've seen a million, up to a million Ukrainians, maybe 500,000 troops and maybe 500,000 civilians. And President Trump keeps repeating this number of six to 700,000 Russian troops. That puts you somewhere a million and a half to a million 750. Almost 2 million dead and injured. And injured. Yeah. Did you get a sense when you're there it's that level of destruction?
Stephen K. Bannon
No, but we were in Kiev and still a distance away, and Kiev is kind of the geopolitical power center where the MI5 and the England intelligence and our CIA and everybody's there. Right. So I think that is kind of understood. And so you don't get the. You didn't go to the.
Dave Brat
They didn't take you to the front?
Stephen K. Bannon
No, I was. I don't have your hearty military.
Dave Brat
You were close enough. Now, are there air raids or is there danger in Kiev?
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, they bombed a children's hospital two years ago. So we went toward that. We saw.
Dave Brat
How bad is it in. Bad?
Stephen K. Bannon
Oh, they, yeah. No, and you just see bombs, what they do. Right. So it's kind of interesting. They hit, boom. And it takes out, you know, 30, 40 foot thing, but then the brick kind of stops it, but in reverse, it goes out 100 yards and all the glass for hundreds of yards behind it is gone, wiped out. So you just, I mean, you just learn things that are. Only travel is going to get you that.
Dave Brat
Do you think that on MSNBC or any of these people, you know, Georgia Maloney or Liz Cheney or anybody, Joy. Ann Reed, Rachel Maddow. I don't mean to start women. I mean, plenty of guys on msnbc, Admiral Stavrias, night after night, this War's not in the third year. We were getting hammered every day. We're talking Russian born. They literally led, like Murshama said, they led these people down the primrose path.
Stephen K. Bannon
Absolutely.
Dave Brat
Do they know now they've been sold out? Because we're kind of at the end of this thing. President Trump's gonna come in and make a deal, but there's no more big armament sales coming from Biden's shipping money. But that's all gonna stop here shortly.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah. Mike Benz has it right. Most of these groups are paid CIA cutouts. The USAID's budget is way bigger than the CIA. They're paid to message. They hire anything with the Atlantic name in front of it. Right. Is a suspect. And so they're doing this narrative, and my religious friends, right, they would say the CIA had nothing to do with 14. And I'm like, okay, you're a Christian, I'm a Christian. And this is what Christians should do.
Dave Brat
Not over. They say the CIA had nothing to do with color revolution.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, No, I said, so, okay, good. I said, you're a Christian, I'm a Christian. Will you sign your name right here? I'm going to write a statement. The CIA had nothing to do with Ukraine in 14. And he goes, no, wouldn't sign it. Right. So what the Christian church needs to do is just be the conveyor of truth. Right. It's not our job to do geopolitics.
Dave Brat
But not just the truth. Isn't there a role for Christianity in both Catholicism and Orthodox to try to somehow reunite just for peace? I'm not saying. I know people have different practices, so you can't do it, but the Russian people are an Orthodox Christian people. You have both. Orthodox Christianity, Protestant Christianity, Roman Catholicism, all of it. Our differences are not that deep that we can't be the unifying force to lay these. Why is that not happening?
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, just look, in this country, you got two things. You got just war theory going way back, but then in the modern sense, you've got the, you know, Tim Kaine and the Senate always used to talk about the War Powers act every year. That was his horse. And now not one mention of it. So, you know, if you can't even do.
Dave Brat
During Iraq and Afghanistan, during the Bush years.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes. So if you can't even mention. I mean, at a minimum, the Christians are saying, we want weapons. Slow down and say, no war powers first.
Dave Brat
We want to get our audience up to speed on nomenclature. You say just war.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
What is the theory of just war? Who's the Christian brain in back of it. What does it mean? Yeah, that's just because the gospel tells me we should turn the other cheek.
Stephen K. Bannon
No, no, it doesn't say that. That's the back hand. If someone slights you, if someone cold cocks you, Peter and these guys took out the knives and whatever, but if someone slights you with a backhanded slap, you're a Christian. Okay? Right. You win big man. Or whatever. So the ego shouldn't get involved in that. But just Warthier, there's just eight criteria. Proportionate response.
Dave Brat
Where did it come from? Who thought it up?
Stephen K. Bannon
St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas.
Dave Brat
Thomas Aquinas, Aquinas. The Church Fathers. The Church Fathers. People would say they had to come up with something over the pacifist nature of the Gospels because the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, they all want to get it on and fight. And so the house stooge Christian theologian, that is the daybread of his time, has to come up with some intellectual infrastructure to justify.
Stephen K. Bannon
You don't need to come up with it if you're steeped in theology. God the Father Almighty had no problem wiping out evil nations.
Dave Brat
Yeah, I think I read the old.
Stephen K. Bannon
Verse 39 books over there.
Dave Brat
He's kind of an angry guy the entire time.
Stephen K. Bannon
And it's not, I mean, it's not a group hug. In the Old Testament, you don't follow God makes a covenant with the people, right? You follow me and then I'm going to take care of you. You don't follow him and he lets you go in the desert. In this country right now we're talking about serious stuff here. And if this country, you know, Trump's a one off, right? He's a Romans 13 warrior.
Dave Brat
He's.
Stephen K. Bannon
God has inserted him at this point in history to do great things, but that's a one off and there ain't a ton of trumps in the pipeline. Right? And so now it's up to the Judeo Christian west to get the first things. First, the faith led to the private property rights led to the rule of law led to the free market system which pays for our strong military, in that order. It all happened historically in that order. And in 1776, only the Judeo Christian west had human rights language. Only the Judeo Christian west started modern economic growth. Everyone else followed the cookbook and they're not doing a good job and they're all crashing and burning because of it. And we don't teach any of this, right, that the Judeo Christian west laid the Entire foundation for the meat we're talking about here. Everyone just assumes, oh, that's the easy stuff, right? The rule of law, like that's some easy thing. That was the heart that laid the foundation for the great success.
Dave Brat
I'm going to go back to the second, but give me. What do you mean when you say He's a Romans 13 leader and he may be a one off? Explain that to the audience.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, well, that's in the gospel, right? Roman, the book of Romans is probably the best, you know, most systematic theology.
Dave Brat
Written by Paul, by St. Paul.
Stephen K. Bannon
Right. And so in Romans 13, Pauline, Christianity. Yeah. And so he says, you know, the role of the state, and some of this has been used to, you know, by the. Some denominations to separate off the church from the state totally, which is a total error. But Romans 13 says God has ordained the rulers of this earth and given him power to wield the sword and to establish justice, period, where the church doesn't do that. The role of the church is to offer up the sacrament, grace in that realm. But the realm of the state is the crushing power of crude justice. And so Trump is going to do that. You see already, right, People are coming to the peace table because. And the left. The other thing I did learn, right, from Benz and from going to Ukraine, etc. Was the left and the globalists, they really are scared stiff. They're seeing these populist revolutions around the world, right? Hungary, Ukraine, in a sense, they're hearing us now. Brazil here, everywhere. Right. The Netherlands, Argentina. Yeah. And so that's coming. And they know that these populous countries will not support the multilateral institutions, World bank, imf, United nations, all this UNESCO education stuff, that's who, right. They haven't served us and we're upset about it. And so they know and they're doing everything they can to defend all those tentacles you mentioned.
Dave Brat
So I said today on the show that there's two alternatives here for the future. You have the populist nationalist right, which is leading up from the streets a kind of a workers and middle class revolt against the established order. And we're doing it through the ballot box, we're doing it through social media, we're doing. And the others, you have the young, wealthy rich kid who essentially gunned down a guy, shot him in the back in point blank range after lying and lying in wait and said those two alternatives either have a revolution of 1776 with that basis, you're going to have the French Revolution 17 explain the difference of that to the people, the theoretical and religious spiritual underpinnings of those two choices.
Stephen K. Bannon
Those two choices are the French Revolution came out of Rousseau and he was the only smart liberal according like Alan Bloom. Go read the closing American Mind if you really want to understand a deep smart liberal in the Emile on education. He was going to turn Emile around by changing every single institution that that kid would interact with from year one and then year two and year three. That's a liberal. It's not like the modern liberals where you tweak a tax policy or agriculture policy and you think you're going to change the world, right? It's a joke. And so the real debate there is that utopian view of you can change the world to make human nature good versus the biblical view is human nature is quite fallen. And then you structure a Madisonian government with checks and balances which unfortunately is not in effect anymore. There are no checks and balances. That's what the deep state and the administrative state is. They have captured Congress, they put a ton of power in the executive and then with Chevron you're seeing, right, the power of the executive now is going to be constrained finally. But in a nutshell, you have the choice between chaos and anarchy and full on democracy, right? Not a republic. And the Judeo Christian west and its ethics. And even Karl Marx would argue from Christian premises, right, about justice, right, for the poor and all this stuff. The left would argue using Judeo Christian prophetic utterances in order to motivate the people. Because I taught history of philosophy and ethics for 30 years. All of the great schools of thought in philosophy, Kant and Aristotle and the Utilitarian's Mill in Bentham, they have zero followers, 70 billion.
Dave Brat
What do you mean?
Stephen K. Bannon
I used to go around and give all the talks to the Lions Club and all this kind of thing. I said raise your hand if you're any. Follow any of those three. And I say raise your hand if you're a Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucian, whatever. And every hand the room goes up. So we only live out religious ethical lives and the public school you're not allowed to talk about the only ethical systems that people live. So I mean that's a major problem in this country now. We're falling apart because of that. The Marxists came in and they claim no God, so they're allowed in and we claim God and we're out. And that's got to be turned upside.
Dave Brat
Down when you're with these religious leaders and thought leaders. And that's why you've been involved and.
Stephen K. Bannon
They were very good. They were very good, by the way.
Dave Brat
Well, no. So you're with a cutting edge of. And you're invited to Ukraine by the military and the intelligence services because they understand these are the people that people in the United States, in at least one big section, the evangelical Christians. And the evangelical Christians have had the back of Israel and Israel keeps getting support. Huckabee is now the ambassador. So these evangelical Christians and traditional Catholics are a group that we want to impress and get them on our side because we see in Israel and the Middle east that they've traditionally had the back of Israel. When you're together.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
Do you ever have this conversation, which to me is the important that in our own country it's fallen apart. Right. And we need to rejuvenate here instead of, as the founders, as the founders told us, not going abroad from monsters to slay.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah. Most everyone on that trip was a fairly high level intellectual leader in their space. And yet we would be in 90% agreement on all of it. And then, you know, it's almost like that. I worked in the God box 30 years ago at the, you know, across the street from the Supreme Court in D.C. when I was on a seminary political semester. And the.
Dave Brat
What's the God box?
Stephen K. Bannon
It was where all the Jewish groups and the Episcopalians.
Dave Brat
Oh, you mean, right? Yes, yes, yes.
Stephen K. Bannon
It was the Methodist building.
Dave Brat
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Stephen K. Bannon
So they would all meet there. And that's where I got my calling, right. I was like, these people are well intentioned, nice people. They want to do good for the world. They want to help. This is old liberals, right? I take care of the poor, get peace. There ain't any liberals left. But back then they didn't know any business or economics. And so I had this senior guy that said, hey, Dave, why don't you do a PhD at an American with me? He was at the economic school there. And then come back and help these people. And I said, good. And that's been my course ever since.
Dave Brat
So are they, are they in agreement with you? What's the 10%? You don't agree? You said 90%.
Stephen K. Bannon
Your agreement with no awareness of this. Mike Ben's CIA piece. They have no, no now, no. And the average American, if you sit, they have no idea. Only this show, right? I just got back from Florida.
Dave Brat
Yes, yes.
Stephen K. Bannon
They all knew when I said, any Mike Men, Jack, Anybody heard of this guy? And because they watch you, they're all like, yeah, of course, Dave. You know, they're getting feisty. And it was Great. But outside of, outside of the war room. And that's why I tell people, share this show, this platform, because this is the hope to educate the American people.
Dave Brat
What do you want to see? I've only got a couple of minutes with you, by the way. Birchgold.com warm now more than ever. Dave and I are going to be going through a lot of, I think, unsettling economic numbers over the next couple weeks. In the run up. Good. The $40 trillion, 400 days from today, zero hedges reporting. If you take the national debt clock and look at all the different perturbations, it's roughly 40 trillion that there's going to be essentially two and a half or $3 trillion between now and Trump's first year. Regardless of what Doge does, regardless of what President Trump does. It's a runaway train. It's a runaway train that's going to run us over your observations.
Stephen K. Bannon
All the economists in the country should roughly be fired for, for just grotesque negligence. Right? Cbo has it 50 trillion and there's no warning light. Usually the bond market vigilantes come in, but they stimulated things so grotesquely. And in the morning show, you said, where did all that go? Where did the 9 trillion in money printing go? Where did the $2 trillion deficits every day go? And then we're going to grow our way out of it. And I, you know, on the show we've had the productivity has been going down for 70 years in a row. But there's one, there's one point I just want to make quick, and that is if you put capital in the hands of the American people, they'll be okay. Right now, the US only has 70 trillion in capital. Over the years, the total amount of capital accumulated, 7 trillion. 7.
Dave Brat
You don't mean financial capital.
Stephen K. Bannon
You mean, you mean plan, assembly lines.
Dave Brat
Computer terminology, hard, what we call traditional production capital. 70 trillion.
Stephen K. Bannon
We have 70 trillion.
Dave Brat
Well, that's the best in the world, right?
Stephen K. Bannon
No, China has 100 trillion. Smaller economy, baby country, 100 trillion.
Dave Brat
Half of that has come from the American people. It's from U.S. institutions.
Stephen K. Bannon
And that's what Trump is going to get right here. And that's the tariff argument. Right. As soon as we see that equity restored, right. Where capital stays in this country, in the hands of our workers, that makes the wage rate go up. And then you clear the border invasion. That makes the wage rate go up. Then Americans are prosperous again. They can buy a house.
Dave Brat
We can't, we can't allow you to go in. The administration boardroom has to keep. No, no, we got to do. Come up here. Spokesman.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yes.
Dave Brat
Real quickly, social media. I'm glad to have you back in one piece. We're worried about you.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, no, I'm going to get on social media again. I'm on Brad Economics, on Getter and I'm going to get on X. I'm going to get trendy.
Dave Brat
I think you have to.
Stephen K. Bannon
I'm going to. And I got a book I'm working populist economics. We're going to do a simple book to explain.
Dave Brat
It's going to be a massive, massive hit.
Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah.
Dave Brat
Okay. We're taking a short commercial break here in the world's financial capital. I think I've got Caroline Wren. Caroline Ren is, I think if we can get her up. Is particularly perturbed about some of the donor activity, particularly people like Mark Zuckerberg, who spent $450 million stealing the 2020 election from President Trump, showing up mar a Lago as a supplicant with $1 million check.
Steve Bannon
No, bro, you need to bring a.
Dave Brat
Lot more in that if you want back in good grace. A short commercial break. Back in the war in a moment.
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Dave Brat
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They got everything down here, backpacks and hats and everything. Everything you could need. Water bottles, even have the jugs with the camouflage around them. There's about 20 of these shops all throughout Sonaita and all of these communities as you go down in the heavy cartel areas selling carpet shoes, selling the camouflage, selling everything you need to get across the border. And all of these communities, this is becoming bigger and bigger business because of Joe Biden and the Democrats.
Oscar Blue Ramirez
Everybody to know this is what is used inside crossing to not be identified. They're being sold by the bunch like this. So easy to just go in there and with all this, you know, being sold, the whole package, it is part of it.
Ben Berquam
Carpet shoes manufactured, sold all over the place. You put these over your feet so you don't see them through the desert. These all of these shops dedicated. And actually the shop we just came out of was 100 dedicated not to hunters but to illegals crossing into America. This industry increasing because of traitorous Democrats. Joe Biden and the Democrats, you guys did this. And the rhinos. If we can't with the House, the Senate and the presidency change this, we don't deserve to be in office. Speaker Johnson, the Senate, President Trump's going to do it. But we need the House and the Senate to do their job. And as you drive through town, there's just shops all over the place now and some of them have other things, Christmas decorations and regular clothes. But every shop in this little town and towns like this Sasabee, same thing, multiple shops down there, same thing. They cater to illegal immigration. There is an entire industry now around this. Got a couple pairs of carpet shoes, got a new hat. Going to be bringing these to AMF fest this week in Phoenix, the invasion continues. All of it exacerbated by Joe Biden and the Democrats. Open borders policies that have taken Customs Border Protection and border Patrol off the line to process fake asylum seekers, to process the CBP1 applicants. And all that's done is increase the cartel activities of runners and gotaways out in these areas. So when they tell us they know the number of people that have come into our country legally, they have no idea and they have to be held accountable.
Stephen K. Bannon
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Dave Brat
Okay, welcome back. Right there we've got Ben Berquam and Oscar Blue Ramirez. One of the most important things that has happened in the three kind of the three legged stool of what's happening now, the war in Middle east and the war in Ukraine of course on the southern border, the beginning of deportations. But here's the problem and this is President Trump actually said something about today. The Biden administration is not doing a solid job of transitioning over the President Trump. They're still trying to push to the limits their madness. We have Ben Berquam and Oscar Blue Ramirez, remember also birchgold.com go check it out. Enter the dollar empire. Being shipped this week is the sixth free installment, which is modern monetary theory, the idea that broke the world. So make sure you go check out today. Also, you can get all knowledge and information about 401ks IRAs that can shift over to precious metals by just taking your phone texting in Bannon B A N N O N 989898 and Jim Rickards, if you like the geopolitics and capital markets that Jim Rickards brings with his experience. Rickardswarroom.com I mean, Rickards may be, at the end of the day, the one contributor sticks around with us. So get access to all his newsletters, his books, all his information. He's got all these specialty newsletters, a general newsletter. It's absolutely fascinating. He's a great guest on here. Great contributor. Rickards with Answeroom.com go check it out today. Paradigm Press, you get it all. Ben Berquam, tell me what we just saw right there and why is that important and what's happening with President Trump and the transition when he takes over on the 20th of January, Sir.
Ben Berquam
Steve that was one of the multiple communities along our southern border that cater to illegal alien runners. These are the ones that don't want to get caught. These are the guys you see in Full Camel. You saw some of that video from Tim Foley of Arizona Border Recon just north of that area. And Sasabee, these are the guys, the really bad hombres, as President Trump says. The reason that's so important, by the way, I have a pair I'm going to bring these to. I'm still trying to get you to wear one of these, Steve. I'll bring it to Amfest for you to try on. The reason that's so important is all of that is it's connected to CBP1, where we're at right now, Tijuana, to the eight ports of entry that we went across over the last 10 days. And all of the illegal immigration that's been allowed under the fake asylum idea that the Democrats have pushed, those are all distractions that the cartel then uses to push the really bad guys through these areas. So every single thing that you see is connected, whether it's the CBP one that you see behind us. We got a group lining up. I'm going to pan the camera over there in just a minute. But it's all connected. That's the point.
Dave Brat
Oscar, talk to me about your experience right there. You two guys have risked Your lives. You've gone all up and down the border right now. What should the current give us a sit Rep? What is your situation? Report that if you were in front of President Trump, give me two or three minutes on where we really stand on this. Because he's quite upset by what he's seeing and observing on War Room and other of the information providers like Gateway pundits and free press, etc.
Oscar Blue Ramirez
You know, like I have said, Steve, in the past, the Global Compact of Migration needs to get out of it immediately. You know, punish these NGOs by cutting the federal grants. This has been all incentivization. This is the other challenge that is going to be extremely difficult for President Trump. The cartels under the Biden administration have grown twice in terms of territory, economy, artillery. And now you're seeing these cartel shops that they're pandering and catering to illegal migration of these people that they are not identified. Really bad people coming into Arizona. We have seen people with bad records, you know, convictions, pedophiles, child molesters, terrorists. All these bad people are being smuggled through these mountains due to this camouflage. The bad thing about it, Steve, is that the cartel has grown on the other side of the border, on the Mexican side. This is one of the reasons why Donald Trump needs to label the cartels as terrorists immediately as day one, they need to do that. I know politically it is extremely difficult, but they need to push Mexico with this threat of a tariff to do something about it because the market has grown so much. Not only in Mexico, we have shown this also in icocle Colombia, where they're profiting of an illegal migration. It's a big humanitarian business. This is why the Democrats and all these NGOs and the United nations do not want to stop this because this has become a multibillion business. And the only one that it can end this human misery, it is Donald Trump.
Dave Brat
Okay, I'm having a technical problem. Let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and try to reboot these guys if we can, because I can't hear them. What you're seeing now is Oscar Blue Ramirez and Ben Berquam are down at the border having a slight technical problem hearing him. And by the way, if we can't get him back up, that's fine. I can take it from here. I think I get the drift of it. So here's where we stand. We have three major kind of things or processes going on as President Trump draws the transition to the 47th presidency. His you have these kind of the third world war, this war in the Eurasian landmass. You have this invasion of the country. And remember, everything President Trump's doing is like, how do we start the mass deportations? We still have to secure the border. But what you have in the Biden regime, and this is how awful they are as people, they are exacerbating this invasion at the tail end to try to get as many people as by as possible. You see this all the time. You see what's happening. And now Oscar Blue and Ben have gone up and down the border and kind of reported from everywhere, from in turn to Mexico to where they are today, Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney, these guys over the Senate, they're sitting there over the weekend and they give a critique of the America first movement. They give a critique of MAGA. And here's what their critique is. Mitch McConnell sits there and goes, this MAGA movement, this America first movement is very dangerous. In fact, it harkens back to what he calls the sympathizers with the Nazis in World War II. The lead up to it, the American first guys, although they weren't, he says, this is very dangerous, going to leave America in a very dangerous position. And yet Mitch McConnell and these guys in the Senate have no interest in closing the border. To wit, I've had meetings over the weekend about, remember that you had the two reconciliation, either one reconciliation or two. And I was told they said, hey, Steve, you're wanting to bifurcate them, as Homan does and Stephen Miller does, is actually in one regard, very, very smart. In fact, that would be the way you would do it. We would pass a reconciliation, day one on the border. All the aspects of the border would be changed. It would all go and you would have a border bill, you'd have money, you have build the wall, you have the beginning of the repatriation or the mass deportations. Not just the criminals, but other people. Trump would do 50 or 60 executive orders. Miller and Homan would have not simply resources, they would also have the backing of Congress and President Trump's. And then later when he did the tax bill and the tax bill and the economics would probably take to March or April around Tax Day. Then you bring a second reconciliation where they're saying, no, no, no. Some people say, no, no, no, you can't do that. You can't do two reconciliations, which is a lie, right? But they say you can't do two reconciliations. You have to put them both together. Well, I said, well, if you put them both together, the tax is not going to be done till March or April. They go, yeah, yeah, but you just have to wait to do the border on that. And I said, no, the border bill has to be done now. You have to get the resources now. They said, well, we'll get money from other places. I said, no, not at the levels you need. And kind of very focused the American people on the border. President Trump's primary promise, we sealed the border, we put the wall, you start doing more security, but also you begin the process of mass deportations. And a lot of this is going to be in conjunction with, I don't know, I've recommended a summit. I've said we should have a summit of the frontline nations in Mexico and some from Latin America kind of worked this all down because it has to be done and it will be done in a humane manner. Maybe not the criminals, but certainly the average person come across it. And they said, no, you can't do that because the Senate's going to hold up the deportations if you do that. And I go, what are you talking about? They're all about the taxes. They said, yes. People over the weekend looked in these rooms, said point blank, the Senate has no interest in closing the border. This is the Republicans, not Democrats. The Republican Senate, by and large, is just all lip service. They have absolutely no interest whatsoever in closing the border. And so if you go back, I said, what do you mean? They said, they don't really want to allocate money. They fought Trump the entire time. He says, the reason you don't have a wall, in the first two years, you had the House and you had the Senate, you had everything. And you didn't get really any money allocated to the wall because they don't want it. The donors don't want it. They don't want a wall. They're open borders, people. They're globalists on top of that. Think about it for a second. Over the weekend, Mitch McConnell trashed you. Mitch McConnell reinforced the fact that you're deplorables, that you're garbage, but even worse that being part of the America first movement and supporting these policies, that you're actually kind of a traitor, that you really, you would be with the Nazis before the Second World War. You were with the fascists in the Second World War because you really are fascist. Think about when Mitch McConnell says that. He says we're dangerous in our isolationism. Well, Mitch, to be honest, brutally frank about it, you know, I served my country under destroyer in the Western Pacific and in the North Arabian Sea in the Persian Gulf. My daughter Maureen deployed to Iraq. We served our country. Mitch, after you had an incident in.
Steve Bannon
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Dave Brat
Know, 60 days of your military service in the army, all of a sudden your eyes didn't work and they tossed you out. I notice all you people that never did anything are the ones that nonstop are saying these, America first, the veterans, all these people are terrible. And actually quite frankly, you're saying, you're implying that we're traitors when you don't say anything about the southern border. Here's the bottom line, the sovereignty, the territorial integrity, the self determination of the American people on that southern border. Mitch McConnell has sent $250 billion to Ukraine to protect the Russian speaking eastern border, which is, write this down in any peace settlement is going to stay with the Russians. Just like Crimea. A million Ukrainians are dead or wounded, the country's destroyed for something that was exactly what happened, was exactly where things stood at the beginning three years ago. So you have 700,000 dead and wounded in Russia, you have a million dead and wounded in the Ukraine, a million seven. And you know, I don't know, a half a trillion dollars, A trillion dollars spent over there in bloodshed in a country that half of is destroyed. And Mitch McConnell supports, that's the reason he got turfed out as leader. But he will not do anything. They will not support anything. In fact, they look the other way when Biden's doing this on the southern border. That's the type of people you're dealing with, people that not only don't love this country, they actually hate this country. More importantly, they hate the citizens of this country and they hate it with a, they hate it with a burning passion. But get to Mike Lindell here in a second. We're going to be doing a lot of this and breaking this down. And look, President Trump's our guy. We support President Trump. There are going to be occasions when we just don't agree with some of the policies. And we're not going to sit here and tell you that we do. When we don't, we're going to have to break it down. But you can kind of guess where going to be on taxes, on taking money from foreign nations, on having this expansive continue American empire overseas. If we just stick with America first policies and we stick with make America great again policies, two thirds of the people, 75% of the people are with President Trump. We will have a 1932 realignment, but we got to stick to those policies and we got to force it through. And like I said, this next year is going to be horrific. Think how difficult it's going to be done, even on the transition. All the games that are being played right now, dangerous games on the Third World War, all the dangerous games we played on the southern border, and particularly the dangerous games are being played with the economy, with the balance sheet of the United States, with the debt markets. And once again, let me reiterate, we do not need another rate cut. What Powell is doing at the Fed, we don't need another rate cut. That's just going to add to more inflation. They're trying to make it so that President Trump can't get inflation down. And Janet Yellen is playing around with the balance sheet of the United States, playing her games. That all has to stop. She's got to put her pencil down. She's had her reign of terror over treasury. And Jay Powell's just got us back off from any more rate cuts. Home title lock. Talking about rate cuts and value, 80% of your net worth is tied up in your home, if you're lucky enough to have one. So that title of yours, that title is basically your contractual. Your contractual instrument that says you actually own it. Without that title and without free and clear access to that title, hey, you're just another schmendrick hanging around your house. So make sure nobody can get in. Hometitle lock.com you got Natalie Dominguez and the team over there. She's head of education. She'll help you out. Go check it out. Slash band. And you get a free assessment of in a title search right off the box. So hometitleot.com hey, this thing makes a great Christmas gift. Go check it out. They get all the information. Mike Lindell joins us. Mike, honored to have you on here. We couldn't get you in the morning show because we had to cut to President Trump's press conference, of which he dropped about 50 bombs. So Natalie covered those in the previous hour. Sell me a Pella, brother.
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Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room Battleground EP 673 - "The Judeo Christian West Relies On MAGA"
Release Date: December 17, 2024
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Dave Brat, Ben Berquam, Oscar Blue Ramirez, Mike Lindell, among others
In Episode 673 of War Room Battleground, host Stephen K. Bannon engages in a robust discussion with Dave Brat, a former congressman and co-host at WarRoom.org. The episode delves into critical political and economic issues facing the Judeo-Christian West, emphasizing the foundational reliance on the MAGA movement to counter rising authoritarianism and globalist threats.
Key Discussion Points:
Call to Action: Bannon and Brat highlight the necessity for active engagement against oppressors and authoritarians.
Political Landscape Comparisons: They draw parallels between political climates in Arizona and Georgia, illustrating how complacency can lead to increased authoritarian control.
Key Discussion Points:
Runaway National Debt: The conversation shifts to the looming national debt, estimated to reach $40 trillion, exacerbated by unchecked money printing and fiscal mismanagement.
Capital Accumulation: Bannon underscores the disparity in capital between the US and China, highlighting the need for reinvestment in American production.
Economic Strategy: Emphasis on restoring equity by keeping capital within the country to boost wage rates and economic prosperity.
Key Discussion Points:
Ukraine’s Vulnerability: Bannon recounts his trip to Ukraine with Christian leaders, revealing the country’s military and economic precariousness due to US policies.
NATO’s Complicity: Criticism of NATO countries’ reliance on US defense systems, creating a monopoly that fosters dependency and cynicism.
Historical Context: Discussion on post-Cold War policies, nuclear disarmament, and the resultant defenselessness of Ukraine.
Key Discussion Points:
Just War Theory: Bannon and Brat delve into the philosophical underpinnings of war from a Christian perspective, contrasting it with liberal ideologies.
Moral Justifications: The podcast debates the justification of war through ethical lenses, arguing that Christian principles support sovereign self-defense over liberal interventionism.
Liberal vs. Biblical Views: Bannon critiques liberal philosophies for their utopian views on human nature, advocating instead for a constitutionally balanced government grounded in Judeo-Christian ethics.
Key Discussion Points:
Southern Border Crisis: Bannon and Brat address the escalating issue of illegal immigration, blaming Democratic policies and highlighting the rise of cartels.
Cartel Expansion: The discussion points to the growth of cartels facilitated by lax border policies, arguing for immediate labeling of cartels as terrorist organizations.
Political Inaction: Criticism of Republican Senate members like Mitch McConnell for not supporting stringent border measures, despite their rhetoric.
Key Discussion Points:
Policy Shift: The episode covers the anticipated transition to President Trump, emphasizing the shift towards "America First" policies aimed at economic resurgence and border security.
Legislative Challenges: Bannon discusses the hurdles in passing border legislation, including attempts to bifurcate funding through reconciliation.
Senate Critique: The podcast highlights the Senate's lack of support for Trump’s border initiatives, framing it as a betrayal of national interests.
Key Discussion Points:
Productivity Decline: Bannon and Brat lament the continuous decline in productivity over the past 70 years, linking it to misallocated capital and economic policies.
Capital Reinvestment: Emphasis on the need to reinvest capital into American industries to stimulate growth and mitigate inflation.
Critique of Federal Economics: The episode criticizes federal economic strategies, advocating for a return to free-market principles and reduced government intervention.
In the concluding segments, Bannon underscores the urgency of the upcoming political and economic crises, urging listeners to support the MAGA movement as the cornerstone for combating globalist threats and restoring national sovereignty. The episode emphasizes the impending challenges in border security, economic instability, and foreign policy, positioning the MAGA movement as the essential force for America's resurgence.
Notable Closing Quote:
Episode 673 of War Room Battleground presents a fervent defense of the MAGA movement as indispensable for preserving the Judeo-Christian West against authoritarian and globalist threats. Through incisive discussions on economic mismanagement, foreign policy failures, and border security, Bannon and his guests advocate for a return to populist nationalism and conservative principles as the path forward for America's continued prosperity and sovereignty.
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