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WarRoom Battleground EP 1002: The Rise Of The New Greek Superpower
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians, I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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Matt Boyle
I know you don't like hearing that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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Matt Boyle
MAGA Media I wish in my soul
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Stephen K. Bannon
I w that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Matt Boyle
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Stephen K. Bannon
It's Monday the 4th of May, year of allure 2026. Wow. What a day for. What a day for news. Matt Bolt joins us and Matt's gonna be with us for the hour is going to go through geopolitics, international news, his travels, his big interviews, what Breitbart's got coming up this week, a big event and also his, his incredible interview with Salvini and with many of the over in Greece. Just incredible. Matt, first off, just tell the audience you've been all over the world in the last, in the last month. Take us to your just overview of your trips. We're going to have Ben Harnwell actually from our room. He was on with me this morning and he's very concerned about Marco Rubio's trip to Italy. But we'll get to that in a second. I'll play the clip as soon as it's ready. Just walk people through. Where in the hell have you been for like the last four weeks? You're like an international media superstar.
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Matt Boyle
Well, we're out there building the American empire, okay? So we're out there building the America first empire around the world. Look, here's the thing. America first, you hear this all the time from the White House guys, right? Like and from Trump's team and whatever. America first doesn't mean America alone, right? Sometimes it's the globalists trying to use that to argue that. But the thing is, is that there are a lot of good people around the world that see the world like we do. They want to help us and they want America to be what Ronald Reagan described as a shining city on a hill again, right? Ever since Reagan with both Bushes, with the Clintons, with Obamas and Biden in between the two Trump terms, we've seen a decline of American exceptionalism on the world Stage and here in the United States, of course, Reagan was kind of that peak, if you will. And Trump is aiming to return us to that. You know, you hear him talk about the golden age and so on and so forth. Well, part of the way that we get there is, is that we need our friends and allies around the world, people that see the world like we do, to join with us and to help us exp execute that vision. Because the fact of the matter is, is that, you know, world economies are interlinked. You know, energy is a big part of this. Obviously you see this with the war in Iran right now in the Strait of Hormuz, right. The gas prices here in the United States are up because of the war in Iran and the Strait of Hormuz being closed, yet we don't import. 0% of the oil that moves out of the Strait of Hormuz comes to America, 0%. So why are our gas prices up? Because these things are interconnected. So the fact is, is that what we need to do is we need to link together with global economic populist movement to fight the globalist extremists that are, that, that have steered us into this madness over the last several decades. Because as much as we can bash, and rightfully so, the political dynasties here in the United States, like the Bushes, like the Clintons, like the Obamas, like the Bidens, it's not just them that did it, it's the globalists in the world as well, in Europe, in Asia, in Africa and you know, certainly throughout Latin America. So one of the things that President Trump has done has been trying to energize these worldwide movements. And frankly, there's a lot of people that are super fired up about what President Trump is doing around the world. And I'm trying to bring these like minded voices together and tell their stories and go out there and meet these folks because I do think that what we're seeing right now is the beginning of the, of, you know, I joke when I call it the American empire, but not really. Right. Like, I mean that's the fact of the matter is, is that either we're going to win or China is going to win. There's no in between here. There's no, the two systems are incompatible. And this is one of the things you mentioned, my interview with Matteo Salvini, the deputy Prime Minister of Italy. That's one of the things he said, he said in the interview that China's system is incompatible with the West. And that's true. Like, so again, if, if they Win. There's no such thing as private companies. There's no such thing as entrepreneurs in China. There's only what the government encourages, needs, and allows to move forward. And it's complete control by the CCP in Beijing. We're decades into what I would call Cold War 2, and I started reporting this stuff back in President Trump's first term. I went to Taiwan back then. I did a bunch of other major stories at different places around the world and interviews with different world leaders and whatever. But I really have accelerated here in this second term because I think what you're seeing from President Trump, with the trade policies, with the use of our power economically, but also militarily, of course, and our diplomatic power. President Trump has expanded the original peace through strength doctrine that Ronald Reagan is famous for developing. From the Reagan years, peace through strength was kind of a military and, to an extent, diplomatic strength of the United States. President Trump has added another leg to this stool, which is the economic strength of the United States. And so what we can do here is we can harness the strength of our friends and allies around the world, and everybody wins in that scenario. Right. Like, so you see this with the President's efforts in the Middle East. You see this with the President's efforts with trade with. With Europe and whatnot. And what he's trying to do, I think, is bring our friends in Europe to the forefront of this and get them to really engage and join our fight, if you will. Because the sad fact of the matter is, is that if you want Western civilization to survive, you need the United States at the forefront of this. And President Trump is maybe the only hope for Western civilization as it exists right now. And where these movements go and these people, these efforts around the world go from here is going to be super interesting in the years to come. Yeah.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Let. Let me ask you. You know, I keep saying that in the. In President Trump's first term, Jared and I structured that first international visit. It wasn't to Canada, it wasn't to London, which had happened. But, you know, our theory, the case is that Western civilization goes Athens to Jerusalem to Rome. And of course, there we went, Riad, to Jerusalem, to. To. To Rome. You spent much time in Athens. Why does it seem like your message and what you're talking about is, is people are reaching out to you from the Eastern Mediterranean, from both Athens and Rome and all the. All the contiguous nations there. Why is that? Is it because it's a crossroads between Asia and Europe that the CCP is involved? But it seems to me you know, you were just the keynote speaker and did an interview with me. We'll show in a minute at the Deli Economic Forum, which is one of the most prestigious economic forums in the world, but particularly in Greece, in that part of the eastern Mediterranean. You just had a major interview with Salvini, which I know they requested. Why does it seem like this effort that you're kind of at the forefront of, of having voices talk about those nations that are, that believe that America under President Trump and America first
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Matt Boyle
is
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Stephen K. Bannon
the right path to follow? Why does it seem a lot of this is happening in the eastern Mediterranean, particularly the two ancient capitals of Athens and Rome that are the foundations for the American Republic and American democracy?
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Matt Boyle
Well, yeah, first and foremost, their geopolitical location is extremely important. There's a reason why these ancient civilizations rose and ruled for thousands of years. Why? Because they were geopolitically extremely important. And frankly, nothing's really changed since ancient times in that who controls the seas and shipping and trade is who's going to control the, you know, govern the world. Right. Like. And so there's a reason why you saw the Greeks rise first, really, of any of the major European civilizations. There's a reason why the Romans came and dominated for thousands of years afterwards. The. But then in addition to that, obviously the, the current time frame here of where the are located in the world. First off, they are the front lines of the immigration crisis in Europe. So the migrant boats that are coming from Africa and the Middle east, like the Libyans and so on and so forth that are coming into Europe, they aren't landing in Germany. They aren't, I mean, to an extent, maybe in Spain, but you know, they're not really landing in France. They're not landing in, I mean, yeah, they have migrant crisis and all.
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Stephen K. Bannon
They end up there. Yeah.
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Matt Boyle
But the point is, is that they're landing first in Greece and Italy. Right. Like, because they're the first front wave line of defense here. And so that's why. So there's that. And then in addition to that, just their geopolitical proximity to the Middle east, which is, you know, frankly, a hotbed of major, you know, military stuff that's going on around the world, but also energy. Right. Like, and so and then in addition to that, one of the things that the Greeks have done, particularly in this admin, the second Trump term, they've really leaned in on President Trump's vision of drill, baby, drill. So in addition to building the ports and terminals necessary to take American natural gas that we're Shipping over, by the way, on Greek ships to Greece and to Europe that we're then sending up a vertical corridor that we've built through Eastern Europe into Ukraine to counter the Russians on the natural gas that they were dominating the European market. And we're shipping that natural gas right up the pipeline into Ukraine. That's how you really beat the Russians in the Ukraine situation. It's not with blankets and even weapons. It's the energy. Right. Energy is how you win the war. But the fact is, is that. So being able to get the energy in there is important. But in addition to that, the Greeks are actually doing for the first time in decades, like I think it's like close to 50 years that the. They are doing a major, and it begins early next year, a major offshore natural gas drilling exploration where Chevron and Exxon are both going to be active on the Greek islands. Two major American companies that are going to go out and explore for natural gas and, and obtain it if they could get that. It's going to really help our friends in Europe get off of the bad actors around the world, whether it's the Russians, the Iranians, the Venezuelans, etc. And be able to develop their own energy, which then probably helps them implement our vision. What we're talking about. This is one of the things you see President Trump viciously criticize Keir Starmer, the British Prime Minister, over Keir Starmer, Labour Party guy and total loser, frankly, continues to refuse to even look for energy that exists likely off the coast of the United Kingdom, around the Scottish Isles and so on and so forth. There's very likely some major oil and natural gas there. But Keir Starmer is hamstringing because he's a liberal green energy kook, hamstringing the British from being able to get access to that. So the Greeks have really leaned in on that vision, which is great. And so you've got that. But then in addition to that, when it comes to national defense, President Trump, of course, has pushed, as well as the vice president and the Secretary of State in Rubio, we're going to see go over there, they've really pushed the Europeans to fund more of their own national defense through, you know, go up to 5% NATO spending, 5% of GDP spending on their national defense. All the NATO countries, and they've all, except Spain, agreed to do it. Some have had varying degrees of success in doing it, but the Greeks were the first to do it, and they did it before we even asked them to. Right. So they've Got a very robust military. You'll see them active around. So I was just there for 10 days. It was my third trip to Greece in a year. And you see the bases, you see military people in uniform. They have a robust national defense situation going on in Greece. And the hope is that the rest of our friends around Europe will do the same. So, but again, this all comes down to which side is going to win here, the US Or China. When it all, when it's all said and done. And the, you know, again, the hope here is, is that our European friends and allies, who are much more like us and see the world, sometimes you have to drag them kicking and screaming, but eventually they come around to our way of thinking.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Now, I think this is very important. I got a clip from the Delphi Economic Forum Talk of this is one of the most prestigious gatherings on economics overall in geopolitics, but in Greece, it's the number one.
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Steve Bannon
Why did they invite Matt Boyle?
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Matt Boyle
Well, this is my second year there, so I went there last year as well. It was my first time to Greece. And when I was there last year, it was right after Liberation Day, Tariffs Day, and the whole world is free freaking out, attacking Trump. And I was the only one up there laying out what Trump is trying to do here with all this geopolitical stuff. And it turned out to be a major hit because the Greeks understand this stuff, because of all the reasons that we just talked about and more. And so and people were looking for, you know, somebody to sanely explain it rather than your Wall street journals and Fox News and whatnot who were just attacking President Trump over the tariffs non stop and, and whatnot. So they were trying to understand why is the President of the United States doing this stuff. And well, we were the only ones that had a clear answer about that. Addition to that, I interviewed the Prime Minister last year of Greece, Kariakos Mitsotakis. And he correctly at the time, it was a really bold idea because he was the only world leader anywhere on planet Earth that defended President Trump. And he did it in the interview with me. He said this is going to lead to a trade deal between the European Union and the United States. Everybody needs to chill out and it's all going to work out. I'm paraphrasing him, of course, but the point is that, you know, that day as we first got there to Delphi last year, the president did the 60 day pause or 90 day pause or whatever he did on the tariffs and then the market goes ballistic. And then later, of course, we get to a trade deal. And by the way, when the US EU trade deal was signed the next morning, I was there in Scotland with President Trump and I did a huge interview with him there about it all. And so but the Greek prime minister ended up being exactly right. And so it was that big of a hit that they wanted me to come back. So I did. And now we interviewed the Greek prime minister again at the Delphi Economic Forum this year. And one of the things he predicted is that President Trump is going to make a deal with the Iranians and it's going to be a great deal for the whole world that's going to lead to again, them not having a nuclear weapon and achieve all the other objectives that President Trump is setting out to do. Again, a bold prediction. But the president responded to our interview with the prime minister again and called him a terrific guy and thanked Greece for being a terrific guy. Terrific outline.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Before we go to the clip, I want to, because Eric Bolling was the first to say, hey, look what and this was weeks ago at the very beginning of this, Eric said, hey, look, what ought to happen here is kind of what happened in Venezuela. United States companies step in working with the host country and put in capital and get their production up to, to basically international standards and volume. It says the Iranians have the same problem. Since they've had sanctions for decades, they're so far behind that President Trump, being the deal maker, should have some sort of work workout with the American oil companies and the Iranians themselves to do this, obviously, after they agree to the nuclear weapon. You heard the exact same thing independently when you were in Greece from many sources, correct?
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Matt Boyle
Yes, many sources. I spoke with, you know, many Middle Eastern sources who were there. So one of the things that happens at the Stelphia Economic Forum, right. So it's been going on for a little. I think this was the 11th year of this event. So they bring in leaders from around the region. And again, them being as geopolitically close as they are to the Middle east, there were Middle Eastern folks there, right. From a number of the different Gulf countries and whatnot. So I'm talking to a number of them about this. And then I'm hearing from other people in the kind of the orbit of the US Officials and whatnot. And also the Greeks move most of the world's more of the world's natural gas than any other country on their ships, their shipping power. Right. Like, and so they still have superpower.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Super.
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Matt Boyle
Since they're superpower, right? Yeah. They move 25% of the world's. 25% of the world's LNG moves on Greek ships. Okay? So that is. That is a quarter of all natural gas planet Earth wide moves on Greek ships. That. That is astounding power for one nation. Like, even the US doesn't have that kind of power. So, again, so the Greek shipping guys all kind of all talking about this as well. So everybody's kind of there in that region of the world getting ready for the eventual deal. Well, here in the US Everybody's still freaking about this thing and that thing. Will he? Won't he? You know, blah, blah, blah. No, no, the rest of the world sees where this is going and they're getting ready for it, and they're. They're preparing for it. One person told me that they're getting all the pieces in line. So that way they can treat day one like it was day zero. Right? Like that was the way they put it. And so. And again, so everybody's getting ready for this. And the, the. Except for the American political establishment here in Washington. Right. So telling that story and capturing that is very important. But. Yeah, that's exactly right. The American energy companies could go in there and really develop the Iranian energy assets, which serves a lot. There's a lot of oil and natural gas in Iran. That's just true. There's a reason why they're in energy power and whatnot. And you're right that the sanctions have blocked them from being able to do that. And one would think that. And this is what Steve Wykoff has been arguing for. Right? So I remember interviewing Steve Wykoff about a year ago. Exactly. Right now at the White House about this and that, you know, kind of what he said, the way he said it was that Iran could join the League of Nations. Right. Like, there is no formal like League of Nations anymore. But you get what I'm saying. They could join the rest of the civilized world and stop being, you know, terrorist actors if they, if they, if they agree to the pretty reasonable terms that they can't have a nuclear weapon ever. Right. Like, and if they do that and they join in with the rest of the world and they start making. Look, money's green, right? Like, at the end of the day, if these guys start making a ton of money working with American companies, all of a sudden, maybe the interest in spreading terrorism around the region and around the world and pushing for a nuclear weapon starts maybe falling back off the wayside, and they want to just continue to develop their economic resources again. Very Similar thing has already happened seemingly in Venezuela, and we're now starting to see American Airlines flights, I think, flying into Caracas for the first time in many years. The fact is, is that we could see a similar situation in Iran. Iran's a lot more complicated, to be fair to critics of the war and so on and so forth, and that there's a much deeper seated regime there than there was in Venezuela. But we could be headed for such a situation.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Let's play a clip from Delphi and then we'll come right back. Pact. Let's go and play it. Denver.
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Matt Boyle
Talk to us about the seaways and the trade and how that factors into this 21st century fight.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, one of the predicates, I think,
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Unidentified Naval Expert
of President Trump's this gets back to trade and economic policy and in the community of, of nations looking after their interests. Remember, it's, it's ironic you're there in Greece right now because Greece is a superpower when it comes to free navigation. It comes to the basically the logistics of the world. We kind of, we tend to think in a world of artificial intelligence and all this advanced 21st century technology that the basic fundamentals and foundations of how you move material goods throughout the world is something that's antiquated. Nothing to be further from the truth, actually. Logistics and supply chains are at the forefront right now of modern economics, both macro and micro. And the Greeks are a superpower in that regard. And I think no audience appreciates the issue of free navigation, particularly given some of the straits that are very near, very near Greece itself and have been fought over for millennia. President Trump is very much a student of military history. He's very much a student of naval history. Samuel Elliot Morrison, we've talked many times about victory at sea, and President Trump studied that. I would say President Trump has a very Mahanian based off Admiral Mahan's study of the world, of the choke points. And you can see this, you can see this in basically his economic policy, whether it's the South China Sea, the Straits of Taiwan, the Straits of Malacca, Diego Garcia, this is why Diego Garcia became such a big issue here recently. You know, Matt, as you remember, I have a personal kind of expertise in this area. I was a naval officer for the first eight years of my professional life, in my early 20s all the way to almost. I was 30 before I went to Harvard. I was in the Pacific Fleet. In fact, we deployed during the Iranian hostage crisis up to the Strait of Hormuz, which I've sailed through before. An American combatant, my kid brother was a Navy helicopter pilot on a frigate during the tanker wars in, I think it was 86 and 87, where we had to keep free navigation of the Strait of Hormuz following the brutal World War I type conflict between Iraq and Iran. So President Trump, whether it's, it's the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, whether it's the Panama Canal or Gulf of America, the Caribbean, particularly Greenland, if you look at, if you look around some of these supposedly controversies of what President Trump's been doing, it's all predicated upon a naval strategy. This is why
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Stephen K. Bannon
the Greeks understand, if you talk about, talk like that to American politicians, they're like, huh, what the Greeks understand, what I just said right there is second nature to the Greeks. They understand that thoroughly, Matt.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah, well, that's why they're, they're signing up and basically enlisting in President Trump's geopolitical war, right? Like, I mean, they're, they're first in line. Like, they're ready to go. Like, and I, I literally just this morning was on the phone with some Greek activists. I'm working on my next trip there, right? Like, it's, which is going to be in a few weeks. Like, so it's like they're, they're ready to go. They want deep ties with the United States. They know what the future looks like and what the future holds. And frankly, one of the big stories that I did a few weeks ago from my last trip when I was there back in February was about these ports that are happening, right? Like, so one of the things that happened in President Trump's first term was Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, visited Greece and the Chinese government started funding this port called Piraeus Port in Greece. And Xi Jinping went there himself and he called it the Dragon's Head, okay? That means that that is the, the Chinese effort to take over the world, they called it the Dragon's Head. Not, you know, not just in Greece, but in Europe and really worldwide in their efforts for geopolitical control of the seaway. So we're, we have debate that's going on right now about the Strait of Hormuz. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay the Strait of Hormuz. We need to get it open. We need to get the trade moving, the ships going through and so on and so forth. But if you think the Strait of Hormuz being shut for a few weeks is, is, is a big deal, wait until the Chinese control the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea and the, you know, the things like the Suez Canal or the Panama Canal. Right. Like, so President Trump, very smartly, at the beginning of his second term here, serious inroads with the Panamanians to try to get Panama Canal back out of Chinese control. Because what happened is there's this Hong Kong company called CK Hutchinson. Now, Hong Kong used to be independent from China, but not anymore. It's fallen totally. The CCP totally controls Hong Kong now. So there's this company called CK Hutchinson that was controlling the port on both ends of the Panama Canal. Right. Like, and the, both ports. So they, they, that's one of the most important seaways, if not the most important seaway in the Western hemisphere. You know, if you want to ship stuff from the east coast to the west coast rather than sailing around South America, you got to go through the Panama Canal. So again, all of this is who controls the seaways that will control the world.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, hang on for one second. We're going to return. Matt Justin posted an interview with Salvini, one of the most powerful men not just in Italy, but all of continental Europe. As the Secretary of State heads to have a meeting with the Pope. And then Maloney on Friday, Pope on Thursday, Maloney on Friday. Of course, our own Ben Harnwell gave his assessment from Rome this morning. He's not a fan of those meetings. Matt Boyle is going to stick with us. On the other side,
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Matt Boyle
Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, he's one of the leaders of the populist, European populist movement and has been on the cutting edge of this growing movement that we're talking about for a long time. So it was, frankly, one of the most interesting interviews I've ever done. We did it in the apartment of an Italian senator in Milan, which was a really, frankly, it was a really fascinating interview, just the two of us sitting there with the senator. And so in one of Salvini's aides. And that's it. That's all that was in the room. And this is the deputy prime minister, the number two guy in the Italian government. And he was super casual, right? Like, he's just a regular guy. Like, you know, one of the things that was fascinating, when we did the interview, I would ask the questions in English. He understood what I was saying, and then he would answer in Italian and then the aide would translate. So part of the delay in getting the story out, which I wanted to have it out right after we did the interview, but part of the delay was we had to do the more formal translation and make sure that everything is right, getting it into English. And then by the time we had that locked in, we were at war with Iran. So the fact is that I was kind of looking for the right time over the last month or so, last couple months, to put the interview out. And I figure no better time than right now, right as it's announced that Rubio is headed over there to smooth things over with the Pope and with Giorgio Meloni, the prime Minister of Italy. So we did that whole is Salvini is self.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Is Salvini trying to make a move on Maloney here? Because he's much more to the right, much more of a populace and much more nationalist.
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Ben Harnwell
She.
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Stephen K. Bannon
She's kind of become more of a standard stock politician, although she came from the most far right party, the Brothers of Italy, which is really the. The old.
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Matt Boyle
The League is maybe more apart, more far right than that. So, like, or at least Salvini's version of the League, right? Like, Salvini took this, like, regional party and remade it into a major conservative force. And that's one of the deeper stories that I'm working on after this interview, by the way, if you haven't noticed, if I had an interview like this sitting in my notes for two months. I have a lot more interviews and stories that I'm working on that as I get time to get them out. And it makes sense in the right time to put them out. We will put them out. But one of the things. So I ended up spending a lot of time at this Italian center. It was a really fascinating guy while I was there around the Salvini interview. So we're working on a big profile on him. It's going to be really, really interesting. He kind of mirrors the rise of populist politics in the world and in Italy in particular. But the fact is, is that, no, I don't know if there's a move getting made on Maloney or anything like that. I wouldn't read too far into that because the fact is, is that we did this interview back in February, Right. Like, we just didn't publish it until now. But the fact is that I do think that that contrast is pretty clear there, though. And President Trump posted the interview that we did with Salvini on his True Social yesterday, which was really fascinating. He put it up within like an hour or so of it going up. Like, it wasn't that long after the interview went up that President Trump posted it. It was pretty fast. And so it got a lot of attention across. It's like the front page of every Italian newspaper right now and whatnot. But I think it's a good reminder to someone like Meloni that she needs to be more accountable to the people of Italy, the conservative base that put her in power and that put Salvini in power and whatnot, than to these globalist European leaders like Macron and MERS and Starmer and whatnot. Right. And so maybe it's a reality check, but it serves as that. But I don't think that's any. There's. I don't think you read into any moves or, or anything like that. I don't think there's Game of Thrones going on.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So over the weekend, it was announced that Marco is going. Ben Harnwell, who holds our international effort out of Rome, was on this morning. Let's go ahead and hear from Ben. He was not a fan of this trip. Let's go ahead and hear Asia.
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Steve Bannon
Ben Harwell in Rome.
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Stephen K. Bannon
The secretary of State's heading over to see Maloney and the Pope. Maloney specifically about NATO and very specifically Italy and the Italian navy pitching in here. Your thoughts on. Didn't she already tell us. No, we're not interested, sir.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, I think what she's trying to do. It's not that Italy is saying, no, we're not interested. It's no, we're not interested in US Leadership in this. We're going to do it, we'll do it. We'll try and guarantee freedom of travel in the Strait of Hormuz, but we're going to do it with our EU partners. We'll do this looking for a UN mandate. And that's really, I think, the snub, the rebuff to US Leadership on this from America's bridge to Europe. With regards, however, to the visit, I think it's set to be the Pope on Thursday and phony Meloni herself on Friday. Even though the official State Department release said they're going to see Vatican leadership and then their equivalent representatives in the Italian government. Almost universally, the press isn't sort of spinning this with regards to Iran or the Gulf of Hormuz, but they're spinning this as effectively an apology tour. Marco Rubio is going, is coming to Europe, to Italy to restore the relationship after the President Trump.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Hang on, full stop, full stop. You're saying an apology tour by the United States of America. America.
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Ben Harnwell
It's a groveling on one's knees apology tour, Steve.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, a groveling. Hang on, hang on. It's, it's, it's being presented by the European media as a groveling tour of the United States, the Pope into Maloney, into the EU and these deadbeats have, have done nothing to date when they had every opportunity to help us out on a straight in a, in the Persian Gulf, which 100% in the red Sea, that, that supplies their economy and doesn't really apply the United States with anything. They have the gall to do that,
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Ben Harnwell
that perhaps I need to choose my words a little better, Steve. It's a groveling, humiliating, prostrated groveling tour by little Marco to, to Italy, to Rome. That's how it's being presented in the Italian press for sure. And I have to say, right, it seems to me that the State Department is willingly allowing itself to be played into that narrative. That's what's the most appalling thing about it. Okay, let me explain what I mean by that.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, go ahead.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, let me explain what I mean by that. I personally, as are you, as in anyone who's prepared to defend President Trump and this administration publicly here in continental Europe. And by that I mean the, the UK Everyone who does that is used to a bit of tds. It's low level, it's always there. That's fine. I can quite easily cope with people criticizing me for supporting the president. Not. No problem at all. What really gets me, however, is where this administration allows itself to be played and shows itself. And I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying this is the perception it shows itself of not worthy of respect. That is something I find far more difficult on personal interactions to defend. And I would, if I were Marco Rubio, if I were the statement, I would be, I'd cancel, I'd cancel the trip on the basis of these headlines.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And I'll say cancel.
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Ben Harnwell
You, you, you want to repair this relationship, you come here, you come to me, you come to see me in D.C. that's how we'll, that's how we'll repair this relationship. Because this relationship will be repaired by you understanding what President Trump meant by his criticisms, by internalizing it and correcting your faulty behavior. That's how we repair this relationship. Coming here for a prostrated, humiliating, groveling apology tour.
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Steve Bannon
Right?
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Ben Harnwell
And that, as I repeat, that is literally how La Republica is playing this almost to the, to the word, but is unacceptable. It's absolutely unacceptable.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Steve, your, your advice, being in your perch in Rome, is the way this is being played is that we're apologizing. Should both of these meetings be canceled should both of these meetings be canceled immediately?
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Ben Harnwell
Without any doubt whatsoever? Of course, Absolutely. I think the State Department has badly presented or allow the reason why Marco Rubio is going to Rome in the press. And that I think just signals American weakness where it's absolutely not necessary. So I would, I have no hesitation.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you. Denver. Matt Bold. La Republica is the center right newspaper of Italy. This is not a left wing newspaper coming after us. And it's pretty definitive that the State Department has allowed itself to be played. Your thoughts, sir?
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Matt Boyle
Yeah, Well, I think that everything that Ben said there is right. But the tell will be, does Rubio mean meet with Salvini too, while he's there? Right. Like, and I think that if Rubio, by the way, it's his job as Secretary of State to go meet world leaders. Okay. Like, to be clear, you know, the, the optics of this all aside, you know, the Italians are a major part of what we're trying to do around the world, no doubt about it, for what we were all talking about earlier. But the fact is, is that as he heads there this week, I doubt he's going to cancel it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
But hang on, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on. But Maloney has. Today we've sent two because of Admiral Cooper's. As we talked about the show this morning, Admiral Cooper's presentation to President Trump about his range of options, one of it was to force the action, as we advocated, in the Straits of Hormuz, the Persian Gulf, they've sent American combatants there to show that there's another path to get the ships out. There's 800 to 2,000 ships there. They're starting to lead them out now, maybe not individually, but as a collective group. The Italians have been adamant. They haven't sent anybody to help us in the Red Sea. They haven't seen anybody to help us in the Strait Hormuz. And they actually have a navy. It's not a huge navy, but Maloney is there. You see that they're talking about an EU solution that has a UN Charter or UN mandate to do that.
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Matt Boyle
Yet.
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Stephen K. Bannon
So the Italians, to date, as much as she's supposed to be the bridge. You heard Ben's shot at her. No, she puts herself out to be the bridge between Trump and MAGA and America first. And in the eu, she hasn't been. She's very much a conventional EU leader in this regard, has she not, sir?
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Matt Boyle
Yeah, she has been. And so the big question again, like I said, the biggest thing, I sent my interview and President Trump's true social post of it with Salvini to the State Department's senior staff with Secretary Rubio. I've not heard back from them, but I recommend it to that secretary and his team that he meet with Salvini while he's there, because I think that that would be an important meeting for Secretary Rubio to take. I, I do think he should go forward and go do all of the things that's, that Ben is talking about there, message wise and why.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay, but that's a. I think, I think, I think that's very smart. Why do you think he should meet with Salvini while he's there, in addition to Malone?
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Matt Boyle
Because. Because I think that Salvini represents way bigger than just the Italian government. Salvini represents a movement that's rising across Europe, whether we see Gert Wilders in the Netherlands or Jordan Bardella in France, and frankly, all of our friends that we're seeing in a lot of these other smaller countries on the eastern part of the continent as well. Salvini is the leader of the economic nationalist movement in Europe. I mean, and he is a check on these globalist losers, frankly, in Brussels. And frankly, Meloni is thrown down with these globalist losers in Brussels for now. So maybe There's a way to re. Harness a lot of this stuff. Look, President Trump has deep, great personal relations with a lot of these people, okay? Like, that's one of the things about him. Even if he disagrees with them and has a very different approach. Trump has a great personal relationship with like a guy like Macron or, you know, people like Ursula von der Leyen and whatnot. But the fact is, is that. And even Maloney. But the fact is, is that I think what we need to see here is again, the American assertion of dominance. And this is what I mean about when I was saying even sometimes we have to drag our European friends, friends kicking and screaming our way. They face a choice here. If they want to go be globalist, frankly, they're going to get taken over by China. And we saw a taste of what that looked like in the year of COVID Okay? It's way worse than that. They're worried about the straight of Hormuz, are worried about masks and ppe. Wait till China controls everything. That is not good for them. That is not good for us. So the point is that sometimes we have to force them to join us. And this is one of those cases where I think Rubio can walk in there and really throw down on behalf of the President and the American government and make it clear that this is totally unacceptable and repair the relationship. As for the Pope, by the way, I still think. I still think that the Pope has an enormous opportunity to do some things that we haven't seen from a Pope since John Paul in the 20th century. He's not doing a lot of this stuff right now, but when it comes to geopolitical stuff and combating communism and whatnot. Look, Pope John Paul was critical to winning the Cold War, okay? The Cold War I against the Soviet Union, critical to winning the Cold War. Pope Leo can be that guy that helps us win Cold War II do okay? He can be in the PO and the. The Vatican has. If he was formal relations with Taiwan.
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Stephen K. Bannon
If he wasn't, he's not doing it. Is when they decide to basically make public the secret deal they have the Chinese Communist Party. Then I'll start to feel that he's on our side. Until then, I don't. Matt, Matt, we gotta bounce. But you've got a lot of stuff coming up this week. What's going on on. On Wednesday. You're. I think you're having an event on Wednesday, one of these special events, actual events that you guys put on.
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Matt Boyle
We're doing a huge Breitbart news Event with Ambassador Monica Crowley, the chief of protocol of the United States and the chief spokeswoman for the America 250 effort. All about American 250 and about her work as a chief of protocol. She's the one who introduces President Trump to all the world leaders. We're doing that Wednesday morning in Washington D.C. i think it's during War Room, so we will get you guys if you want to carry it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, we're going to stream agreement. Is it any can people. Is there ability for people. Is it closed just to the media? Is there ability to. For the.
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Matt Boyle
It's invite only. But if, if anybody out there wants to come in there in Washington, just reach out to me and I'll make it happen. So I'll get them.
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Stephen K. Bannon
And where, and where do people get your tweet? You're putting up more of this great content on Salvini, all these things. You're going to Greece back in a couple weeks. They've invited you back. The Eastern Mediterranean is hot. That's why Kimberly Gilfil's the ambassador there. There was a reason that she went. She's so close to the President. They understand, you know, Tom Barrick in Turkey and special envoy for the entire Levant and Kimberly in Greece with, with, with Crete and Cyprus and everything going on. It's between Rome and Athens. It's absolutely incredible. Important part of the world, not just for our ancient values and traditions we get from there, but actually in modern history. Matt, where do people go to get all your writings and, and to see where particularly about these special events that they want to DM.
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Matt Boyle
Yeah, just Breitbart.com also on X Twitter @Mboyle1 and on true social ailmatboyle.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Pretty impressive, Matt. You put up the interview and the, the president puts on True social virtually immediately. Not too shabby, right?
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Matt Boyle
Not too shabby. Hey, world leaders, if you want to get a message in front of the President of the United States in the White House, you know where to come.
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Stephen K. Bannon
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