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WarRoom Battleground EP 1004: Young Guys Who’ve Been In The Church Five Minutes Talk More Compellingly About Christ Than Bishops
WarRoom Battleground EP 1004: Young Guys Who’ve Been In The Church Five Minutes Talk More Compellingly About Christ Than Bishops...
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Young Convert
You know, Tremaine really doesn't like conflict. And what I didn't expect coming into Christianity is how much conflict there was going to be. Jesus says that he is, he is the Prince of Peace. And I fully believe that. I also fully believe and understand now what he means by people who hate you. For my namesake, what I've come to recognize and what my journey through Christianity has been, literally from the start, there's just been like violent whiplash. The more I learn, the more I know, the more it feels kind of lonely, the more I kind of get sad. Like I learned today what Catholics view on salvation is. I just feel grieved. I feel grieved because I feel like I'm holding onto this thing that I want to share with people and the majority of people are going to tell me I'm crazy.
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Frank Walker
That's really sad.
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Young Convert
I don't know how to explain that feeling, dude. To feel like you're grasping it. You've got this thing, dude, you want, you want other people to have and not only do they reject it, but they, they hate you for it. They think you're crazy. They think you're just some. Ah, it's hard to swallow.
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Young Catholic Convert
Okay, tell me if it's just me, but I really feel like I've been lied to. I was told it didn't matter where in the world I went. Every Catholic church will be teaching the same thing on the same day and upholding the same morals and values. I have been to Mass five times at five different Catholic churches now, and so far that claim remains a hundred percent accurate. And that really bothers me because you can't say that about any modern day denomination. It's. We see this in real time. I made a video saying I'm leaving the Protestant church. Here is why. There is a very fair amount of modern day denominational Christians saying, yeah, but that was just that one church. Try another one of the same denomination. I've been going to the same denomination as you for five years and had a completely different experience. And it's like, why does that not bother y'?
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Frank Walker
All?
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Young Catholic Convert
You are not only admitting that, you know, but you are defending the fact there are potentially millions of other Christians going to the same denominational church as you, yet are having completely different experiences and realistically being taught completely different interpretations, interpretations of the Bible all based on the pastor's own personal interpretation. It's like at that point you can't call it the truth anymore. And in that same comment section you see Protestants arguing with Catholics, Methodists arguing With Catholics, all modern day denominations arguing with Catholics. But not only that, you see Protestants arguing with other Protestants, you see Methodists arguing with other Methodists. The only ones not arguing with each other are the Catholics. And it's because all modern day denominations, realistically, there's like a 90 chance the pastor is teaching you their own personal interpretation of scripture. And personal interpretation is not truth. The truth is universal. That's why it's called the truth. So because of that, the church teaching the truth needs to remain universal. And if your church down the street from another church that is the same denomination are not teaching the same thing, then you are not being taught truth. I don't know, man. Honestly, the more I research and the more I see it with my own eyes, I think I'm just stalling and I think I just need to dive head first and fully commit myself to becoming Catholic.
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Host/Moderator
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish
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Steve Bannon
that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my
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Frank Walker
country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Host/Moderator
Harwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Let me just call up our guests straight away. Before we move on, Jenny Holland, Frank Walker. Jenny had the idea you might have noticed this, folks. For recent shows we've been putting up often contributions on social media coming out of Gen X, young guys, Gen X talking about their faith. And Jenny's chosen all the ones that we've had, I think over the last couple of months. I chose these two myself. Rather proud of myself for that. Very moving I thought. And you know, I'm not looking for basically social influencers talking about their faith. I'm talking about just people who aren't influencers, but just ordinary regular people, guys and girls, just talking about their faith in an authentic way because I think that's what carries weight. People might switch off, I think when they, when they're hearing sort of influencers pushing the latest thing. Christianity does appear to be the Latest thing that's, I think, the, the running theme that ties the articles, the developments, the stories that we're going to go through tonight, I think, is the fact that Generation Z especially is calling out for actual red meat Christianity. And all they're being fobbed off with is the modernism and syncretism, especially in the Catholic Church, that the bishops have been pushing out for the last 65 years. And if they've done their best to stamp out the faith in the last 65 years, they're going to certainly continue that now with, with this revival that's taking place. This is something we've been highlighting every Wednesday. Frank, Jenny, good evening to you both. Let's talk about this first important story. It's an indication, a document that's come out, I think, of the two study groups to do with the synodal process, which is this big thing in the Catholic Church. It's been taking place under the direction of the late unlamented Pope Francis, supposedly to give greater voice, I think, collegiality amongst the bishops and voice to the laity in the running of the church. Just like the Second Vatican Council itself, though, it seems to be simply a front for the opportunity of people who hate the Catholic faith to implement innovations never seen before in the 2000 history of the church. On the church under the name, under the, under the banner, under the veneer of listening to where the faithful are. That said, Frank Walker and I, this is why I particularly want your reading on this story. I think that's exactly the case with this new document that's coming out on choosing bishops. It's an, it's really what, what the revolutionary movement in the church, the modernist movement in the church that isn't Catholic, is trying to use for the, for the nomination of new bishops, which, which generationally, as we have seen, fundamentally is capable of moving the church because out of the bishops you get the cardinals and out of the cardinals you get the, the Pope. That said, Frank Walker, there is parts of this document which I very much like to see. And even if the modernists who are pushing this don't have the war room agenda at heart, there's no reason why the faithful can't hijack this back from the hijackers, basically. And that is, as I think we've both said, the faithful really need to take the running of the church out of the hands of the modernists who have been driving the church into the ground to set it on the correct path. What happens after that, whether we move back to this sort of medieval model of the laity supinely bowing down to the episcopacy, to the bishops, I don't know. And because this will be a long generational change, I probably won't be around over the next 50 to 100 years. But I think the taking the leaves of control of the church in the hands of the faithful is absolutely essential. And there's parts of this document, I think, that leads into that agenda. If the faithful are prepared to move in exactly the same way, basically that the membership, the activists, have taken control of the GOP of the last 10 years to a large extent. There's still work to be done. Obviously, the war impossible know that tunes into the show, especially the morning show every day. There's still much work to be done. But that is very much what has happened in the gop. The activists, the maga movement has taken over control of the Republican Party. And I suggest something in the institutional Catholic Church would be just as necessary and healthy were it to take place. Tell us, Frank, what's the, what's the document and some of the things that it highlights?
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Frank Walker
Well, it's, it's the most recent synod document that's been released. And I thought, well, take, go take a look at it directly. And it's, it's huge. You know, it's huge and full of blather. But what it really does is like you're saying, I think you see the hope in this, but I think you're maybe a few steps ahead because they're kind of democratizing the process. You know, just on those two wonderful speeches that you had there at the beginning, I talked to a priest this weekend and said in our diocese, the most they'd ever had was 400 new catechumens this year. This year they had 1100 and something like 38. And they had to divide. The bishop usually brings them together. He had to divide it into three different churches. I mean, that was amazing. I've been sort of like, you know, hedging about all these new stats and comparing them, but I mean, just in my local parish, that's quite a reality. And to see these young people. So if you put together this democratic process that they're putting together here and change it around, but I don't think that's what they have in mind. I don't think that's what these senators have in mind for the process they want to. You know, as many Catholics will tell you, democratic processes can be hijacked by people sort of behind the scenes. And that's really kind of what they have in mind. The synod documents are very blathers. They're full of blathers. So I'm going to give you a couple. You have to pour through and find the quotes, a couple that are meaningful here. Discernment lies at the heart of selecting a bishop, a motif in line with the wider synod emphasis on listening and participation. So what they're doing this is really sort of a three, a many pronged attack on the rights of the bishop. A bishop has a right to help decide who his successor is, to have a set of priests in his diocese that are after his own liking and to protect as an apostle, to defend the faith. And this article here at this great site Advaticum, I think is what this is that really kind of addresses both those things, not just in making bishops, but also there's parts in this document about of our gay sex where they're using this democratic process to apply it to not only how does a bishop make new bishops, but how does a, you know, how do they address doctrinal questions? And the synod process is just corrosive. They want to Nuncio is to adopt a synodal and missionary profile. Nuncio helps to select new bishops. They want to have a presbyterial council and a diocesan pastoral council and submit to the bishop a sealed envelope with the names of priests that they would like. So they're involving all of these people, powerful people in the parish, lay people, people of the local community, donors and things to submit names. That's how they have done it in China in the past. You submit a few names and then the Pope will look at a couple of them, pick out one, or the Pope will submit a couple names and they'll pick. Now it's just they pick whatever one they want really. But this is a tried and true old method. They're also going to include general chapters in the finance council, lay council, representatives of consecrated peoples, young people and the poor. The poor have to be involved.
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Host/Moderator
Frank, you mentioned China. Let's pick up on that point just a couple of minutes after I give a quick shout out to one of the show's sponsors today. Birchgold. When the dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971, gold was was fixed at $35 an ounce. Fast forward to today and the US dollar has lost over 85% of its purchasing power. Gold, on the other hand, has increased in value by over 12,000%. That's why Central banks are buying gold at record levels. It's why major firms like Vanguard and BlackRock hold significant positions in gold. And that's why we at the War Room encourage you to consider diversifying your savings with physical gold. From Birch Gold Group text Bannon. That's B A N O N to the number 989-898. And Philip Patrick and his team are waiting by for your call to talk you through your options. Once again, Bannon B A N. Enter 989-898. Frank Walker, you mentioned China in here. The. And this is why I think actually it's one of the reasons I think the. The Vatican is opening itself up in a vulnerable way because they are the hijackers here. They have the modernists who have the Catholic Church in their hands. The institutional Catholic Church, not the mystical body of Jesus Christ, the institutional church. The hijackers have hijacked the institutional church 65 years ago. And I think this document here offers a way for the very faithful to hijack the church back. You're quite right. However to you mentioned China. Right. I can't help but think the most. The most notorious perhaps episcopal consecrations that are view on. On on the view on the horizon are set to take place in about a month's time in, in the first week of June in the sspx. The Lefebvrists and I sort of think reading this document, ticking these things off to in my head I don't see how what the SSPX is doing here on its in a local democratized sense, consulting amongst themselves goes against this document. And you mentioned China. China is the big reveal here because this secret Vatican Beijing CCP document, the text of which has never been made public because it's so scandalous to Catholics, effectively gives the. The CCP the right to pick bishops. And all I'm saying is if it's okay for CCP generals to basically spend all day out in the field raising churches and raising cathedrals and then come back to their desk at the end of the hard day's work and nominate bishops for the Catholic Church, then surely it's okay for the Catholic laity to have exactly the same prerogative. That's my point here and I'm never going to be dissuaded off that point. If it's fine for people, they have
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Frank Walker
a voice, you're saying they have a voice in the church and where they had no voice whatsoever. We're trapped. We're putting up with this stuff. That's not the way the Church is set up though. You have a hierarchical system in the church. But maybe just for now, while we have this church that is no longer Catholic, it would be an effective way to take it back and, you know, maybe eventually bring back the hierarchical. You know, the structure of the church was really undermined when you started having these popes that in the last two popes have been not Catholic. What are we supposed to do now? The whole thing falls apart. And so to give voice to actual Catholics, men like you just put up there young, you know, these young. If these young people are joining the church, they're going to find a church that isn't really what they're looking for. Maybe they'll be inspired to join these. You know, they. They're going to have diocesan committees that consult with the nuncio and they're going to have the Vatican review their procedure. So it's more like a company, it's more like a corporation. So there's going to be a lot of ways for them to undermine the voice of the people that actually there. And then here in this document also talks about theological discernment, where they say, begin a people's lived experience that should serve as a starting point for lived experience of gay people. They have, you know, they want to balance. I forget there's a quote in here somewhere about a gay person that says that.
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Host/Moderator
I've got it. I've got it, Frank. I've got it. I've got it. I've got the quote. I have the quote. Because you and I have basically underlined the same shocking elements of this. What is what it's talked about in this section on Catholics with homosexual tendencies. It emphasizes the importance this, this report by the. By the General Secretariat of the Synod of Bishops emphasizes the importance of testimony stating that lived experience should serve as, and I quote, the starting point for paths of ethical and theological discernment. Frank Walker, let me put this hypothesis to you, right? I actually, I'm actually open to the mind to the argument that this document was written under the direction of the Holy Spirit. Because. And here's why. No, no, no, no. Here's why. It's a serious thing, right? Here's why. Because I, reading this document, I think whoever wrote this was talking in tongues. And what I mean by that is that it's absolute senseless gobbledygook. What on earth does this mean? That the lived experience should serve as the starting point for. For paths of ethical and theological discernment. I mean, it's almost literally meaningless. But to go. To go to some of the other things that it calls for. It wants a change of paradigm. It says that. That in it's in setting out the, the qualities expected of, of candidates for the episcopacy, that is a priest to, to be made bishops and put in charge of diocese. It says it looks for the qualities including the ability to, and I quote, build communion, exchange, excuse me, engage in dialogue and demonstrate deep knowledge of local cultures. There's nothing to do with the gospel here. There's no profound immersion in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is there? There's no talk of conversion and the fruits of conversion, which you will see that in the cold open that we had before the show these two new Catholics spoke incredibly compelling about. That's why I said I want these, I want this show on these. When we do these Wednesday shows, I'd like to put at the beginning and I'm active, I do look at scout for these things on social media. I do want to find young 20 year old guys new to the face. They have more Catholic sense than people who've been priests and bishops for 40 years. Right. What does that tell you?
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Frank Walker
It just tells you that the Holy Spirit is working. Like you said, they're working directly going around the church right into the hearts of the people because God is going to eventually have his way. This green shoots will grow because the church is a living thing. It's amazing. They say that bishops should, they look at these kinds of doctrinal heresies as like opportunities and developments. The words they use are just terrible. And they even actually have case studies with the type of people, of gay people that they should listen to. And they have a quote there where a gay man says, my, what I do is not a sin. And I would, I would choose this to be. Even if I weren't born that way, I would choose that way. So I'm not born that way, but I would choose that way. This is the type of person that's supposed to be a starting point for doctrine and they want to change canon law according to these synodal processes, even like, you know, even at local levels. It's incredible.
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Host/Moderator
Let me go back, let me go back to that. Let me go back to that because that is exactly what they say. They say here that, that canon law needs to be, it needs to be subjected. Subjected, I think, I think, I think is the word here that they asked for, for canon law to be subjected to this, this discernment process, which is astonishing. Yes, astonishing thing for them to say.
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Frank Walker
The real sin was not my love, lack of trust in his desire for my fulfilled life, because the Holy Spirit, God would always want me to be Fulfilled. This is the starting point of, of how they're supposed to, they're supposed to look at theological questions.
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Host/Moderator
I've got the quote, I've got the quote that the subordination of canon law to inverted quotes, the synodal spirit reverses the traditional order. Well, that's, that's one way of putting it. Right? The subordination of canon law to a synodal spirit. And of course the, the quote you were talking about, the, the gay guy at the end from Portugal, he says, the real sin was not my love, but my lack of trust in God's, his, God's desire for my fulfilled life. It describes a same sex partner as a husband and rejects approaches centered on chastity. The Annex 2 here from the United States is more explicit. My sexuality isn't a perversion, disorder or cross. It's a gift from God. If I could choose to be gay, I would. And this is the starting point that they want for the discernment of bishops.
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Frank Walker
Right.
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Host/Moderator
If they get their way on this, Frank Walker, the young guys that, that we, that we're showing the beginning of the show, talking about their discovery of the faith. Those, those guys are going to win a mile. But of course, that's exactly the, that's exactly the objective of this, isn't it? The objective is to create a church so scandalously, not in tune with the gospel, but in tune absolutely with the unconverted world would be the quickest way to tell people who are Catholic, curious, do not cross this threshold because it will poison your faith. Right?
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Frank Walker
Yes.
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Host/Moderator
Yes.
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Frank Walker
Thank God for the traditional churches out there that they can still go to and hopefully that they'll continue to grow and through shows like yours, they'll be able to find them too. Because when you see that, when you see where God's working, you know, and all the, even in the Novus Ordo, churches all around the world that are putting up with these sin on things, there are priests and nuns that are flying under the radar. They're out there still. They just don't, you know, they're up against this, but they're still out there and they'll find those young people.
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Host/Moderator
Well, that's the work of the Holy Spirit. Right? That's what we need. We have to be willing and able, informed in the faith in order to help scatter the seed in, in, in coordination with the Holy Spirit. Conversion is the holy, is the work of the Holy Spirit. Right. Which is, we're just local agents for that conversion process. We're cooperating with the Holy Spirit. But it's the Holy Spirit. That's, that's, that's the actual engine and motor of the conversion process.
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Frank Walker
Yes. And hopefully, like you say, this will be avenue for, for these people to have a little bit of a voice. Bishop Strickland, as you know, who has canceled, he has come out against this. If you look at his site, he'll give it a clear, puts it in its place for what it is. He is a bishop.
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Host/Moderator
Let, let's just say two, two quick things then. Two, two quick points before we go to the ad break. First point. If you ask me, I actually think the priests of the diocese should be responsible for electing of their own number the bishop. That's my, that's my, that's my what I would like to see that the priests of the diocese electing one of their own number for the role of the bishop. That wouldn't be a new thing. Not at all. It would be going back to the early. It would be going back to the way the early church did it. The Pope can of course, ratify that, consent that, and give his warrant or mandate to that. I also think moving forward, the, the worldwide episcopacy needs to fight back against the Vatican in its ability to remove bishops on spurious ground. That is somewhat of a positivist novelty. And it's what done. Done it for, for Bishop Strickland. He should never have been removed and he should never have been allowed to be removed. Rome never traditionally had that power. It's a new thing.
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Frank Walker
Yes, I know. It's sort of a Nazification of the church of these lawless people in the Vatican. You know, they don't really care what the church law is and they don't care about the rights of bishops. And that's why they've come up with these synodal things. The bishops have certain rights because they're apostles and they're Catholics and because you're a faithful Catholic. When you're a faithful Catholic, you have a freedom that comes with that. That's, that's being completely ignored in this process.
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Host/Moderator
Okay, I, I've got a point to add. I'll add it straight off this book and then we'll have Jenny Holland.
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I don't want to dive too deep into this one. For our largely evangelical audience, this I think the most important trad Catholic show on television and our audience is largely evangelical. It's one of the ironies of fate. But I do want to say, just for clarity and I wasn't time before the break, that traditionally the Pope had the power to remove bishops around the world if they were heretics. That's why the Pope has that ability, why the Holy Spirit has given the Pope that, that, that authority to remove heretical bishops from office. There's no in the historical precedent of the church up until the last century, last few decades, there's no real practice of a Pope removing a bishop just because they were too orthodox and the Pope wanted to sort of parachute into the seat another fellow heretic. That simply hasn't existed in the history of the Church. And that's what I say. The laity should rise up or the episcopacy, the, the bishops themselves should, should clarify this over what the Pope's powers are. Jenny Holland, you've been listening attentively to this discussion, as we call you now, Gen Z Right. On the show. So that's your new nickname, Gen Z. Interesting report that's out. Well, you're, you're, you are a very intelligent, kind commentator on Gen Z. Right. There is, there's an interesting report out that seems to confirm the war Room's thesis that it's the faithless cultural Catholics that are leaving the church in huge numbers, but being replaced by a far smaller proportion, but by people who are actually converting to the faith. Tell us a bit that I saw some statistics here which leapt out in me quoting from the religious landscape study, the historical one over many decades that said for every six and a half people leaving the church, one person was entering. And that's been updated a few years ago to 8.4 leaving for everyone coming in. I have to say, and I know you'll probably talk about this as well as the report itself to us that these are people basically who are cultural Catholics, baptized perhaps as Catholic, but really fallen away from practice, who are actually leaving the church. Now, I have to say, the quality of the people coming in, if the ratio is widening, the quality of the people coming in I think is unprecedented. People who really understand, as you saw from the, from the two clips and the cold open, people who not only are informed as to what the church teaches, but they have an emotional response to it and are able to communicate that to their peers. Tell us about the, this, this report, as I say, I think it very much confirms what we've been saying now over the last year on this show.
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Jenny Holland
Yeah. So it was written by a young man called David Paul Devil, who's a associate professor of theology at the University of St. Thomas in Texas in Houston, Tex. And this whole piece is perfectly aligned with the entire show that you have run so far, starting with the cold open with those two social media posts by those two young men, recent, I'm assuming, converts, and this discussion that you were just having with Frank about changes to this bishop laity dynamic. And the first half of the article really covers all the ground that we cover regularly here, increase in interest in Catholicism among young people and how that is counterbalanced by the exodus, mass exodus of the church, the collapse in numbers, the collapse in attendance, the collapse in baptisms, more broadly speaking. And he comes to the same conclusions that we do, essentially. He also comes to the same conclusions that the two young men in the cold open come to, and that is that what people are looking for is a robust ecclesiastical or scriptural, I should say, traditional Catholicism that is based in belief. And he contrasts that with a What he calls the suburban right version of Catholicism, right being R, I, T, E, which is he calls therapeutic with boring rituals. And this is exactly this. This was, this has tended to my experience going to Mass for family occasions here in Ireland and in the United States all throughout my life, even in Italy. They're, they're sort of tepid and they are a little bit vapid actually. And you find yourself wondering like what, what's, what is really what. Why am I here? Those two young men in the cold open were expressing something far deeper. The second man talked about the, the truth and the truth being soul. The first man discussed how, believing, how belief. When you come to your moment of belief in the story of Christ on the cross and the, and the Bible, as, as is presented, when you come to that moment of belief, you yourself are then burdened going forward, which is something that, so you have to carry that cross just as Jesus carried the cross. And that is a very difficult, very taxing, very trying, very lonely experience. It is not therapeutic. It is not self love and it's not about validation and it's not about self worth, which is, which is exactly what those little bureaucratic changes being proposed in that article that you talked about with Frank is, is edging towards right. They're trying to say, I mean to, to say to replace or to, to equate lived experience with theological learning is an extraordinary thing to suggest. Those are. I'm sorry, was I wrong in thinking that theology was based in scripture and lived experience is based on whatever the hell you do on any given day? And those two things are not at all the same. So again, you know, it's a bit like why you, you prune fruit trees, you cut off the dead weight branches so that the regrowth will be stronger and more robust and more long lasting. And this is the process that is happening now. I would quibble with Ben, your description of the cultural Catholics leaving. I don't even think they are cultural Catholics. I think they are secularists and they see no value in it anymore because it doesn't present any value. One other thing that's really important to say that I think is driving these young people to make these sacrifices, these moral sacrifices. Like that man said about the man who looked a bit like Jesus was saying how difficult it was to carry around these beliefs because they are very, they represent heavy truths and responsibilities. I think one of the things driving people in this secular world where we have all material comforts, we have endless entertainment, we have endless options, it seems. But what happens is that when we live a normal life just minding our business and thinking that things are still the way they used to be, and we run up against the kind of quiet cultural revolution that's happened, we don't realize until we're in the thick of it in a battle with some woke bureaucrat, teacher or family member or professor, that there is absolutely. They give you no quarter, they will give you no quarter. So it's a very much, you're either with us or against us movement. And that has pushed a lot of people away, still the minority, because it's very hard to go off and wander in the desert. It's very hard to abandon, you know, everything you thought was normal your whole life and say, no, actually, I think all of you are wrong and I'm going to do something of my own that my own conscience is telling me that's. People like that have always been in the minority. But I think that sort of hearkening back to the early days, you know, of the earliest days of this faith, when these people were wandering around saying crazy things like, I am the son of God and everyone thought, oh my God, you're insane and we're going to crucify you. I mean, this is, it's very interesting to me the sort of narrative, narrative parallels. And it's very moving as well. I think it's very moving. And whilst I think there's a lot of dark days ahead for the church and for everyone really who's caught up in the cultural revolution, I see this article in particular and those young men that you showcased at the beginning to be an extremely positive and reassuring sign.
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Host/Moderator
I'll add now, because you are active on X, we'll give you a social media ad in a few moments at the end of the show, folks, if you see in the algorithm, if the algorithm presents to you something we should have on the show, send it through to Jenny because she is there. She's the expert at picking the best ones. I am on X, but I don't even think I have my DMs activated. Send them through to Jenny. Reach out to Jenny because she normally picks the ones for the show. And thank you, Jenny, by the way, for introducing that, that, that tradition that we have on the wall now to start off with, with the genics witness. They're very, very powerful, by the way, Catholic or evangelical or Protestant. If you think it's sincere and authentic and truthful, send it through to Jenny. I'll say this in response to what you said. It can be lonely, right? It can be a lonely experience to go against the stream. And it's one of the unexpected blessings of social media, Jenny, is it not, that actually you can see other people perhaps of your same age or same background, saying what you thought you might have, only you might have been sat there in the church by yourself thinking, you know, I don't really agree with any of this, but it, it just must be me because I'm clearly the only one, you know, who doesn't agree with. And then you go on to social media and if the algorithm tunes it well for you, you'll realize not only are you not the only one, there are so many other people all basically sort of awakening, saying, you know, I thought I was the only one who thought this and now I'm not. And it's another, as I say, a very unexpected blessing of social media because we know about the filth and the poison and the soul destroying stuff that, the vile stuff that's out there. And it is out there, but there's the, the other side to the seesaw, right? The other, the other side. That there is unexpectedly a great virtue that social media is providing and that's putting everyone in touch with one another because that, that helps to diminish the sense of loneliness and isolation and build a sense of community. We're gonna. Sadly, we've only got a few short minutes left just to give a quick shout out to Paradigm Press. Our friend Jim Rickards, who is the War Room's wise man, a former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets. You'll all know by now that Jim successfully correctly predicted Trump's Electoral college victory exactly 312 to 226. And now he's issuing a dire warning about a moment that will probably define Trump's presidency and your own financial future. His latest book, MoneyGPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos. Bank runs at lightning speed and algorithm driven crashes and even threats to national security. 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If you want to talk to the guys who aren't on their payroll, they'll, they'll have a look at what your, what your situation is, especially if you're on Medicare and they might be able to get a better deal for you, save you some money and they can do that in less than 20 minutes. It's totally free. No pressure. Just, just given the ring 845 war room and when you call them, tell them that Steve Bannon sent you along to them. Final Frank Walker Sometimes you see a story and you think to yourself, nah, this can't be. But it is. This is. This is. This is when notmypope turns into a parody of himself. For the sedate folk down in West Virginia, the Pope has appointed a new bishop who is as the guardian, laconically a former undocumented immigrant. Folks, this is an invader who was by his own telling as a kid smuggled in the back trunk of a car across the border into the United States and got in on his third attempt. And now Pope Leo, whom Tradinc is trying to tell you to give just give Leo a chance look because he wears that. He wore the vestment on, on the Loggia, right? He had them mozzeta Give the, give the guy a chance. This guy is a radical pro invasion advocate. Frank Walker, just in the, in the final three minutes, give us the full nature of horror in of what the Vatican has inflicted on the good folk of Steve says West by God.
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Frank Walker
Virginia Bishop Menhivar Ayala was an auxiliary in Washington D.C. but they had him there a couple years already. That's the swamp. He was ordained by Uncle Ted McCarrick. And who ordained you is very important also who's there while you're made a bishop is very important. Not in any way. It's just important to the people that do it. And so yeah, he's been put in West Virginia where they voted 70% Trump and he's full of stories and he's very much a radical and he's there to push against the Trump agenda. That's why he's there. Just like Leo. He's there for that. And he says that when he was young, he fled out of El Salvador during the civil war, where the government was shot at him while he was trying to flee his house. And the government was backed by Reagan's United States. And the side that this guy was on were the communists. And that's the kind of guy he is. He's like a banana republic liberation theology communist. And he's not the only one. I mean, I know they've done one. They're doing the. All over the country, people from Latin America have come here. Uncle Ted. Priests that have become bishops. And West Virginia is. Is not the, you know, the place for him. So he's getting so much pushback from actual conservatives and Christians. He said he came with a backpack with one suit of clothes in it, but it was full of dreams because you launch yourself with confidence in God when you're a legal alien. He's full of these, this kind of. Of propaganda. And. Yeah, and I'm noticing in the press, people are fighting back very hard. And it really dovetails with all these stories about now. Every day, Leo is attacking Trump. And it's back and forth, back and forth. And people can see that this is a political operation and all this does is bring enemies to the church. In fact, in West Virginia, where they're putting this guy now, the evangelicals are already advertising and using this as an opportunity to get more people, which is what it did in Latin America, too, when they did this down there. It really, really does drop the population of the church because it's plain for them to see. You know, they're saying that. That Trump lies.
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Host/Moderator
It's in your face. It's in your face. Right? It's in your face.
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Frank Walker
And it's like Obama tactics is really what it is. It's political tactics. I. I know. To me, I know. Maybe. Go ahead.
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Host/Moderator
No, no. So he says he gives thanks to Leo as the first American pope. Well, I naturally question the degree to which Leo can be considered a pope. I certainly question the degree to which he can be considered American, because he's not. His formation is Latin American. And you said it absolutely right. Frank Walker. He doesn't belong in West Virginia, but that's why he's there, so he can turn West Virginia into a local vert of every other sanctuary city disaster. Folks, you hear the music in the background. That's all we have time for. Frank Walker, Social media. Where do people go for you?
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Frank Walker
Canon 212. And you can see the daily video at Rumble and at Gloria TV and on Twitter it's Canon212 spelled out. That's where you can see it.
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Host/Moderator
And you do a marvelous Dave summary which I think you upload as well onto a stumblingblock.com right?
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Frank Walker
Yes, that's right. Every day there's about a 10 minute update of the daily headlines.
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Host/Moderator
Definitely worth doing. Jenny Holland, you can find me on
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Jenny Holland
substack@jennyeholland.substack.com on YouTube at Saving Culture from Itself and on x at Semper Femina 21.
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Host/Moderator
And folks do send your your clips for consideration for the show through to Jenny on X and she'll pick the best one to drop them in to the feed. I am on Getter. I'm also by the way on X. Not particularly active on there but I am there if you want to check out the check out my feed. That's all we've got time for folks. Steve will be back 10am tomorrow. My thanks to Kyle in the control room at Real America's Voice.
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