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WarRoom Battleground EP 1006: The New Film “The Story Of Everything” Explores Evidence of Intentional Design Throughout Nature
WarRoom Battleground EP 1006: The New Film “The Story Of Everything” Explores Evidence of Intentional Design Throughout Nature...
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Steve Bannon
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Ben Harnwell
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Dr. Douglas Axe
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Ben Harnwell
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Steve Bannon
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Ben Harnwell
Friday, 8th of May, Anno Domini 2026. Ben Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Good evening. Very, very interesting guest now, Dr. Douglas Axe, who is a contributor to this new film. You might already have seen some of the promotional literature, the Story of Everything. Before we go into it and talk to Dr. Axe about some of the things he's expounding in that film. Let's have a quick, quick look at the trailer. Today I'm going to tell you a
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Vincent Batarello
story which may seem very strange.
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Ben Harnwell
Galileo, Kepler, Newton.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Each tried to explain events in the history of the universe. Has the universe always been here or is it finite? Is there something else that would lay these questions to rest? It reopens that question of ultimate meaning. How in the world did this start? The simulation theory, the multiverse.
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Vincent Batarello
You can't trust what's in front of your eyes. Come on, that's ridiculous. That belongs in the movies.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
We want to take our metaphysical hypotheses
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Ben Harnwell
and see what they point to.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
And I can remember him saying, here
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Ben Harnwell
is evidence for what can only be
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Steve Bannon
described as a supernatural event.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
He himself made a discovery that shook his personal philosoph.
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Steve Bannon
The fact the universe sprang into being
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Vincent Batarello
at a definite moment seems to me theological. And it is science that has revealed this.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
We are dealing with a system of manifold complex design. 110 to the 10,000 turned out to be the tip of the iceberg.
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Ben Harnwell
We associate information with a rational intelligence behind it.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
It had an uncanny resemblance to indigenous very much like an information carrier. You can read the same segment forward to get one protein and backwards to get another.
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Vincent Batarello
It struck us with a tremendous impact. Without guidance, we would get a life
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Unfriendly universe Many organisms have beauty beyond anything that's relevant for their survival. Value the concept of life as a
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Steve Bannon
cosmic Phenomenon should have many consequences.
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Ben Harnwell
The question then was, what does one do about it? Well, there are trailers that make you go, meh. And there are trailers that you think make you sit up in the seat and think, I can't wait to see this film. I think it was made for the war room audience. It's right there at the intersection, I think, of where a lot of our audience are. Huge, overwhelmingly evangelical audience. We do have a traditional Catholic following as well, but rational and informed as well. And I think this film will help to explain some of the things that everyday people, when trying to communicate their faith in a secular sphere, might struggle, if they're not professional scientists, to convey. This film might help arm them towards that. Tell me a bit. Dr. Axe, you're in this film, your contributor in it. Tell me a bit about the film more generally. Why was it made what it's hoping to achieve? And then I'm going to dive in a little bit on your. On your own particular thought.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Yeah. Well, my colleague and close friend Steve Meyer has written three books, the most recent of which is the Return of the God Hypothesis. So all of these are apologetics, they're scientific apologetic books in that they are looking at the world that we observe as scientists and making the case that when you do that carefully, the world and science as a study of the world actually reveals that we're not alone, that that God is over this thing that we're observing. And so the last one, the Return of the God Hypothesis, is the one that inspired this film that has been in the works for some time. And I was just really pleased to see how well it came together.
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Ben Harnwell
Tell us a bit about the. There are two theories, hypotheses that a lot of our audience will be aware of without knowing, perhaps in depth. Creationism and Intelligent Design. I think this film is far more within the. Within the second category, Intelligent Design. Just say a little bit, if you wouldn't mind, a recap on what those two different philosophies or theological approaches to philosophy are, what the difference is, and why this film leans more towards intelligent design itself.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
So creationism and Intelligent Design. Yeah, I think creationism is a broad statement that people who believe that this is a universe, that we live in, a world that is God created our creationists. So I'm a creationist, but it's kind of an approach to how you bring that idea to science. And typically people who call themselves young Earth creationists or old Earth creationists go about it one way. And people who associate with the Intelligent Design movement tend to go about it another way. And the difference is a creationist approach to science is trying to reconcile the Genesis account with scientific data, with scientific observations. The Intelligent design approach, while not bashing that at all, is saying, well, what if we just do the science? Well, in other words, part of what's gone wrong here is that people have brought baggage to the science and they've allowed that baggage to force an interpretation that is not really there in the data. So what if we were just to do the science? Well, that's the Intelligent design approach. What would the science tell us? And indeed, if you do it well, and this film shows this in a remarkably powerful way, the science itself says, God is over this. And so the film has scientist after scientists who are atheists and their own fields got them to either drop their atheism or to hit pause and wonder what's going on. Alan Sandage, Robert Jastrow, Dean Kenyon, Fred Hoyle, all figure prominently in this film.
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Ben Harnwell
So would you say the film is made particularly within mind for a lay audience or also, are you trying to get arguments across to the scientific community as well?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
I think it's one of these things that can. That can straddle the two. It's intended to be intelligible to people who don't have a scientific background, but it also, for people who do have a scientific background, they will appreciate the fact that it is touching on things that are very technical and doing a reasonably good job of conveying them in simple terms.
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Ben Harnwell
Could you just give. I've got to give a shout out to one of the show's sponsors in just a moment or two's time. Before I do that, could you give perhaps an example of an area where you think scientific materialism struggles or leans too far over its skis, if I might use that term, to try to explain something, whereas you're suggesting the evidence of, if I might say, God. Just use shorthand here, a direct indication of the fingerprints of God is. Is most clearly discernible.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Yeah, well, one that figures prominently in the film is the. The fact that this universe clearly had a beginning. There was a beginning. And the film does a good job of showing historically how there was huge pushback from astronomers, cosmologists, physicists, who did not like the idea that the universe has had a beginning. They wanted this to be an eternal universe. The. The universe has always existed. And when they study, when you look at outer space and you see the redshift and all these things coming together, it forced them to the conclusion that, no, in fact, this Universe did have a beginning. This includes Albert Einstein. There's clips in the film of Albert Einstein realizing, oops, part of his theory with a cosmological constant was wrong. And he later called that the greatest mistake of his career. Something closer to my work, though, of leaning too far over the skis is Darwinism, the claim that we have understood a natural process that can produce all kinds of living things. And that just turns out to be false. If you do the science correctly, which I've devoted a good number of years to doing.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, as a, as a molecular biologist, I'm going to come on to that in just a moment. Is it your. Have I understood what you're saying correctly here? Because in, in talking about the creation of the universe, the start of the universe, and of course, effectively the start of life itself, these are two things, and I can understand, at least with regards to the universe, why people looking to decouple the existence and the universe from, from an explicitly or overtly theistic response will say, oh, it's just always been there, it's eternal. Right? Because otherwise you come into the question of, well, you know, if rational scientists, science, scientism, is predicated on the principle of nothing, nothing happening without a prior cause. All you have to do is follow the chain, the causal chain back, and you're going to have a problem of trying to explain something that isn't caused. And that's not a new thought. Right. That goes back to the ancient Greeks, probably one of the great contributions of ancient Greek, Greek philosophy to the rigorous scientific approach. And that's why the ancient Greeks, at the very end of it, just before the onset of Christianity, predicated this existence of God as the prime mover, the unmoved mover that started everything off, because that was simply a rational working backwards. Is that what you're suggesting here then? Because the science now so clearly indicates sort of a creation of all time, matter, space, energy, out of nothing. There must be something, if before that, that made that happen, because you can't have something because otherwise it's a supernatural act, right?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Yeah. Well, everything that comes into existence has to have a cause. And when it became clear from cosmology, this wasn't people saying, look at Genesis, this is people saying, look at the galaxies. It became clear from actual scientific observation and data that this universe had a beginning. Which raises the question, well, what caused this universe to come into existence? And whatever that, whatever the answer to that question is, cannot be something in the universe. Because physics, space, time, matter and energy came into existence at some point. So something, not that something outside of that must have been the cause that brought it into existence. And that puts you very close to. And all these people recognize that, even atheists. That takes you very close to admitting that God brought this whole thing into existence.
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Ben Harnwell
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Indeed. And this goes all the way back to. I mean, and scripture has references to this. The heavens declare the glory of God. I think Glo people have not heard that and have not, you know, have not seen or read scripture. When you see a beautiful starry night, which you don't always. Where I am in Los Angeles because of all the light pollution. But when you're out away from cities and you see the night sky, you feel both very small and in a way, very blessed to be beholding something that, that is so immense, so much larger than us. And I think all the way back that has indicated to humans we are not alone. We're in something very grand, and someone very grand must be behind this.
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Ben Harnwell
Tell us now then, with. With regards to your own background as a biologist, bringing some of your own insights. Now, what first brought you in, if I'm not mistaken, you didn't start out believing so rigorously in intelligent design, but it was really the evidence itself that was sort of starting to indicate that you could detect certain evidence of design, of intentional design. Tell us a bit about that journey, if you wouldn't mind, in just a couple of minutes.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
I started off by studying engineering, so I majored in chemical engineering as an undergraduate. I went to UC Berkeley to study that. I started to become very interested in the possibility of. I had heard about Darwinism, was not particularly interested in biology, but I heard. When I heard about Darwinism and was moving toward graduate studies, I started to think that we need someone to do a careful scientific analysis to see whether Darwinian evolution can actually work or not. And it occurred to me that the best way to do that would be to look at single molecules that have function. And these are protein molecules. They're mentioned in, in the Story of Everything. And you get pictures of them, some nice animations as well. The question in my mind was these are really the smallest things that are clever inventions that are necessary for life because they're small. They are encoded by single genes. It's possible to do a test of Darwin's idea on these single things. In other words, because a single gene encodes gives the genetic instructions for making one of these little active machines inside a cell, one can ask how hard or how easy would it be for mutations in DNA to produce a new version of one of these things. I set out to do that. This was in the uk, this work that started at Cambridge University in the Department of Chemistry and ended up at the Medical Research Council center in the uk. I had several papers published on this, but came up with an experiment, results from an experiment that allowed me to come up with a number that you could interpret as a probability of a blind process stumbling upon the genetic information for one of these things to work. And that number as published is 1 in 10 to the 77th power. So 1 in 100,000 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, which is an astonishingly low probability. At that point. I thought, there's no way that this process can work. It can't even produce the very smallest things that are needed for life, much less entire new life forms.
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Ben Harnwell
So let me just get that right. Then that's the. So the probability then of. Is this what you're saying? The probability of life occurring in the way that you're studying it spontaneously is 1 times 10, raised to the power 77. Is that, is that the hypothesis?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
No, something to get life is much worse than that. I'm talking about getting one little piece, one little active protein. The odds roughly one. Yeah. And you would need hundreds of those and a lot more on top of that to get a simple bacterial cell. So it's just staggeringly improbable. The film talks about all kinds of improbabilities on top of this, like the improbability of having the very, very low entropy that the beginning of the universe had the improbability of having the fine tuning the Goldilocks universe. And then on top of that is the staggering improbabilities of the, of the parts, the molecules that are necessary for life to function.
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Ben Harnwell
Is it right to say that life itself somewhat contradicts the law of entropy, of expanding entropy?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Well, it's a jarring surprise if we live in a universe where there is no God and everything is just sort of winding down, as it were. So the law of entropy says that natural processes tend toward higher entropy or higher disorder. And certainly something happened on planet Earth that, that violated that, that brought about extraordinary order. And I know there are people who say, well, but the sun is compensating for that because the entropy overall of the, of our solar system is increasing. But that doesn't actually solve the problem because simply having entropy increasing somewhere does not give you astonishing complex order somewhere else. So yes, there is something jarring that happened on planet Earth. If you're a materialist or a naturalist, obviously, if you're a theist, there's a very clear explanation. Someone created this. And Earth was created in this solar system was created in order for us to be here.
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Ben Harnwell
You said elsewhere that living systems look less like chemistry and more like engineering. So with both a chemist chemistry and engineering background, that's a pretty powerful claim to make, right?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Yes. And I actually as a graduate student, having studied a branch of engineering or a discipline within engineering that's called process control. And with that background, I was at a, I was at Caltech doing grad studies and there was a lecture on a genetic regulatory mechanism that had a feedback loop. And this is a mechanism that's telling the cell whether it should make more of the amino acid tryptophan or less, and it's in a balance, whereas it can go up or down. And I was watching the diagram that was being put on the board during this lecture and I thought, this is remarkable. This is engineering, and I know something about that. But this is engineering implemented at the single molecule level. And we've never done anything like this in, in human technology. So I was blown away. And I thought, there is a connection between engineering and life, but there's also more, a more elegant version of engineering than you find in anything that humans have produced is in life.
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Ben Harnwell
I think we've got time really for one more question, then I'll just ask you to sum up a bit about the film and indicate where people might go. I think this came out on the 30th of April. Right. Just my final question to you is that if you had, I don't know, a couple of hours alone with a young scientist, a young skeptical, skeptical scientist, I could talk to them at length about everything that you've learned and studies. What would be the. The one error, perhaps, or common misconception? What would be the one misconception about Intelligent Design and. Or evolution that you would like to talk to him or her about?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Yeah, so. And there's quite a few people like this. And I do try, I try to engage in these conversations today. It would be someone who's learned things from YouTube and chat GBT and has kind of a sort of generic understanding and probably is tempted to dismiss the Intelligent Design movement because it's motivated by religious sentiment. So there's a religious. One would think by, by consuming this kind of information that there's a religious agenda behind Intelligent Design. The first conversation I would want to have, and we could spend a bit of time of our two hours on this is really. Everyone has a worldview, and a worldview brings a bias. And it's not, this is not a Christian thing, this is a human thing. We all have a way of viewing reality and we all have a commitment, some degree of commitment to that way of viewing reality. And therefore, something that challenges our view of reality is always resisted by humans to some degree. So part of the conversation would be, you got that and I've got that. That's not a Christian thing, that is a human thing. And once that's understood, I would start to try to show that it is possible for entire communities of highly educated human beings to have something completely wrong. And it's because humans follow the crowd. And so can there be a theory that is completely wrong and always has been completely wrong, that becomes adopted and becomes a standard way of thinking in an entire field populated with PhD scientists. The answer is yes, it can. Because humans are political beings, we are prone to group think. We are concerned about the truth, but we're also concerned about our own career progression, about fitting in, about power, about wealth. And it's in that context that you can have an entire field go in the wrong direction for an arbitrarily long length of time. And then I start talking specifics to say, no, actually, Darwin's theory is a failed theory and there are very few people who have the backbone to admit it. But even the smart people who are not favoring intelligent design know that this theory has failed, and they're the ones that you don't see defending it. But they don't promote intelligent design.
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Ben Harnwell
Dr. Ax, that's all we've got time for. Where do people go to see the the film the Story of Everything?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
It's still out in theaters, so it's made it into a second week. So check. Go to the StoryOfEverything film and do a search for theaters near you. It's still out, and obviously after it's done with theaters, we'll be able to see it as a streaming film.
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Ben Harnwell
And I'd very strongly recommend folks go to Amazon and get A copy of Dr. Ax's Undeniable How Biology Confirms Our Intuition that Life is designed. Dr. Axe, thanks very much indeed for coming on the show. Look forward to having you back again soon, folks. Don't forget, text Bannon to 989-898 and speak to Philip Patrick and his team, who are standing by. Feel cool?
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Ben Harnwell
Welcome back. Well, you might remember a couple of weeks ago speaking with Philip Gaspar, who is live from Zagreb at the conference hosted by Vigilade International. Well, now we're very honored to have Vincent Batarello, who's the chairman of Vigilade and the host of the Tradfest conference in Croatia. Vincent, thanks very much for coming on the show. Tell us a bit firstly about Vigilade and the conference and what you were hoping to achieve a few weeks ago.
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Vincent Batarello
Well, first of all, Ben, thanks for the invitation. It's a privilege to be here on the war room. First of all, talking from Zagreb, Croatia. Yeah. So I run one of the biggest conservative organizations in the country called Vigilade or Vigilade, and together with our partners Odouro Ordo Juris Croatia and the Heritage foundation from the United States, we had a conservative conference a couple of weeks ago called Tradfest, as you can see there on the screen, the fall of liberalism and the re emergence of Christian nations. So it was great fun just to get just conservatives in Croatia. Now, don't forget this is run by the civil society. So this is civil society pushing conservatism, right wing values, Christian values. We're very unapologetic and talking about and saying that we are Christian. We're very proud of that and that we want Croatia to remain a Christian nation. Some of your viewers might know, I mean, Croatia is a relatively small country. It's very well known for its tourism. But if you look at the history, you Know, we were known as the anti morale Christinatatis, which means the bulwark of Christianity. And we were given that grand title in 1519. So we have this fighting spirit within us was to a certain extent expunged by the Communists after 1945. But that fighting spirit has always remained and we're bringing it back and we're taking the silent majority in Croatia, which is, which is quite conservative. And we're saying, listen, we need to defend our identity, our history, our Christian values, our Christian roots. And you know, we need to tell the politicians what we want, not that the politicians tell us what, what should be done. You know, we have a so called conservative government, we have a soft conservative government, you know, in the line of, you know, the Christian Democratic kind of parties in Europe and so forth. So they're okay, but as you might know, they're very pro Brussels and they're very, very Brussels and they're only eu. So, you know, we're trying to change that. We're saying we have a lot of friends in America. We want to get on this so called Trump wave and the whole paradigm in the world has changed and we want Croatia to be part of that. And I think Croatia now is becoming this, one of the new hubs of conservatism, especially in Eastern Central Europe, especially if I dare say my Hungarian friends will probably get angry about, you know, the fall of conservatism in Hungary. So, you know, we had a friend from Prime Minister Orban's office, he was at the conference as well. So we're bringing in all of our friends from Poland, from Hungary, from the United States, and you know, we want to offer something new in Europe.
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Ben Harnwell
Vincent, I'm going to, just after the ad read in a few moments, I want to talk a little bit about Croatia and its Catholic identity with regard to something that's going to be very important to the war in Posse, which is the illegal Third World invasion right across continental Europe. An existential crisis. But you mentioned the Trump wave. You mentioned the presence of President Trump. Tell me, how is his presence on the international scene making a difference? I hope, one would hope, a positive difference to the fight in Croatia beyond the merely performative sort of Christian democracy that you're mentioning, but the actual real substance of faith in Jesus Christ. How is his presence leading the most culturally, economically militarily powerful nation helping your fight in Croatia?
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Vincent Batarello
Well, I think the most important thing is that, you know, we've all been in these culture wars for a long time and before we were fighting against the Political incorrectness. Now with, you know, with the whole Trump effect, you know, we're seeing that, you know, culture is changing and it is changing for the better. And as I said, I mean, you know, we can unapologetically be Christian and with this Christian civilization, we can really, really change things. Now the Trump effect is, I think in the main way is it's quite simply garnering, I mean, giving people hope that they, that they need to rise up, they need to talk and that they need to defend the interests of their country first and forem. I think that's one of the things that Trump is showing. Look to the interests of your country. But at the same time, we can develop very good relations with other countries who have a similar cultural background. I mean, this was the greatness of Europe, this was the greatness of Christendom. And we actually believe that this is actually coming back and this is what we're fighting for in Croatia, that
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Steve Bannon
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Vincent Batarello
Christian identity is maintained. And there have been a couple of things, events happening in Croatia. I don't know if you know, for example, last year in summer, the biggest rock concert in human history took place in Zagreb by a singer called Thomson. There was half a million people there and there were Christian, there were Christian symbols. There was even a bishop who prayed there. And by the way, you know, I was there, I'm 57. I was one of the old fellows there. Most of them were Gen Z, young people listening to rock music, praying. And there was a drone, there was a beautiful drone show with the cross and the Virgin Mary and so forth. So I think what's happening is that conservatism is capturing the imagination of the young people. And the left in Croatia has gone ballistic. Why? Because all the sociological studies are showing that the young generation, the Gen Z, are conservative like their grandparents. And we've captured the young people and that's why there's so much, they're so much on the attack. So, you know, we're leading the offensive, so to speak.
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Ben Harnwell
We cover this every Wednesday evening. We have a show, a regular show where we discuss exactly what this is, what you're mentioning, how this revival that is taking place amongst Gen Z and guys as well, right? Men, basically, young men, which is quite remarkable. It's quite remarkable what's happening. And I don't think sort of five, ten years ago anyone would have predicted this, but there's a difference. You say conservative like their grandparents, grandparents had like a default setting towards participation. Going to church on Sunday, very much part of the cultural identity. What's going on now is yes, I mean the values are the same, but the whole approach is absolutely different. Because now if you're a young guy, if you're a 20 year old gen Z guy and you're doing shoots on social media, talking about your, your faith, your newly discovered faith, people. 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When I was a few years ago, when I worked in the European Parliament, two countries were particularly known for being Catholic. There was the Catholic Identity country. And if we needed something doing that involved that, it was we go to the Polish. But if you really wanted that, the fighters who rolled up their sleeves and wanted to get down in the role, you know, get down in the fistfight is let's go to the Croats. No, no, it's absolutely true. The Catholic sense of identity in Croatia is something to behold. And folks, if you're ever thinking about coming to Europe for crossing the Atlantic and coming to Europe on holidays, do look at Croatia. Absolutely, astonishingly, staggeringly beautiful country. Vincent, though, tell me, because the issue here that is going to be of obsessive interest to the war room posse is how are we folks in Europe dealing with this illegal Third World invasion taking place? And really, one of the consequences that we have to deal with, not so much in the United States, but here in here in Europe is the figure of the Pope, Pope Leo, his unlamented predecessor, Pope Francis before him, big drivers of the invasion. How does Croatia balance its Catholicism on the one hand, and its desire to preserve its national identity is Christian Catholic identity on the one hand, with the
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Dr. Douglas Axe
rather
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Ben Harnwell
more unusual necessity of having to publicly resist and oppose the Pope. Who's driving that invasion?
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Vincent Batarello
Well, first of all, I have to say that in Croatia, the whole issue of migrants is not that important. We're not in their main roots. Although having said that, we do have over between 100 and 150,000 foreign workers now working in a country of 4 million. And we do have these leftist elites who are talking about the GDP and the GNP and whatever, that we need to have more foreign workers. And it's usually these guys, we actually call it that. It's not so much bringing foreign workers. It's almost like human trafficking or bringing these people in, especially from Nepal, from Bangladesh. And a lot of us here are asking, okay, what's going on? Do we actually need these workers? And so there are now laws going through the Croatian parliament which do not allow their families to come and so forth. So, you know, there is a pushback in society as in regards to the church. The church has a very good position in Croatian society because, you know, during communism, during the times of oppression, the church was with the people. So, you know, they have a lot of social credit coming from the people. And to tell you the truth, our church doesn't really talk too much about, you know, these migrant issues. Having said that, there's another part of the Croatian nation which I'd like to talk about now, and that's the Croats that live in Bosnia Herzegovina. And we had at the Tread Fest, this is connected a little bit to what you. Because, you know, we know that most of the migrants which are coming into Europe are from Muslim countries. For us, there is a greater problem that in the heart of Europe, in a country right next door to Croatia called Bosnia Herzegovina, we have a Bosniak Muslim elite which wants to spread Islam. And at Tradfirst we had the Cardinal Emeritus, Vin Kopolic. Now, that cardinal is the cardinal that stood next to Pope Leo. There's this famous picture of Pope Leo and the cardinals. He's a smiling cardinal. He was in Sarajevo for the duration of the whole war, never left. He's a great hero. He's a great man. He's a humble man, a real Catholic. Anyway, he was at the Tradfest and he was saying, because the Croatians are being maligned in Bosnia Herzegovina, amongst other things, we are seeking a third Croat entity. This is one of the main topics of the Tradfest. You know, Zagreb and Croatia is a western Christian civilized country. We were shocked by the media lynch coming from political sarevo, from the Bosnian Muslims, absolutely attacking the cardinal. I mean, this has not happened in continental Europe that a Catholic cardinal is being attacked by an Islamic elite, by media, politicians, and even one politician asked that the cardinal be brought in for questioning for anti state activities. So, you know, you want to talk about migrants, we can talk about, you know, the Bosniak Muslims right next door who are causing problems with the Croat Catholics and the Serbian Orthodox as well. So what we would like, especially with our American friends and with the Trump administration, is to focus a little bit more onto Bosnia and, you know, solve the situation. It is solvable. This is something which Trump Vice President Vance, Secretary Rubio, so they can resolve this. They can quite easily, through different procedures, just seek the creation of a third Croat entity which will protect the Catholic Croats there and which will also protect Bosnia Herzegovina, because then the Croats will have their rights and Serbs will have their rights and the Bosnian Muslims will also have their rights. But as it stands now, this is not good, and that needs to be fixed.
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Ben Harnwell
It's interesting that you've had such a different experience of the Catholic hierarchy in Croatia just on there you are on the other side of the Adriatic from Italy, so close in one sense, but your experience, because the Italian hierarchy, that the episcopacy here in Italy has a very different influence on, on politics here. Have you made any approach, has any, mate, has any approach been made to the American administration for help in that direction?
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Vincent Batarello
Indirectly, there have been contacts and we expect that there will be more intensive contacts in the next, in the next few months because, as you know, as Catholic Croats living in Croatia, we're not going to watch, you know, our, our people in Bosnia Herzegovina being, you know, trodden on by, you know, certain Islamist elites in that country. So, yes, we have and we will continue to make steps towards the Trump administration. And we call upon President Trump, who has described himself as being the defender of Christians around the world, and we've seen what he's done in Nigeria. We call upon, upon President Trump to also do the same for, for Croat Catholics in Bosnia Herzegovina as well, to take the lead. To take the lead and to enter and to resolve it.
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Ben Harnwell
Just, just give me 30 seconds because time is, is almost out. You're, you're clearly, how do I say this? You're ethnically Croatian, but you grew up in, in Australia.
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Vincent Batarello
Right through, right, mate.
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Dr. Douglas Axe
Yeah.
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Ben Harnwell
Whereabouts in Australia?
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Dr. Douglas Axe
In Sydney.
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Vincent Batarello
In Sydney. In Sydney, Australia.
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Ben Harnwell
I was, I was in Sydney a couple of months ago in February for the advance. I don't know if you know, the advanced Australia guys for concert. I was blown away by how beautiful Sydney was. Absolutely, absolutely great, fantastic, fantastic city. Great sense of spirit and life. Okay, Vincent Bartram, thanks for coming on the War Room. Where do people go on social media perhaps to support Vigilade and, and your work upholding Christian identity in Croatia?
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Vincent Batarello
Sure. It's just vigilare.hr or vigilado. Org. So that's, that's, that's where they go, that's it. The vigilante DOT hr. And that's the track fest. We have all the. All the talks there as well. Great talks from. From American friends, Hungarian friends, Polish friends, and from Croatia. So you can see everything there. And that's our bachelor.
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Ben Harnwell
That's it. Thanks very much for coming on the worm, folks. Steve will be back at 10am tomorrow. My thanks to Kyle in Real America's Voice in Denver and to Vittorio Santi Franco.
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