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WarRoom Battleground EP 1014: Primer on the SSPX Traditionalist Catholic bishop consecrations in July
WarRoom Battleground EP 1014: Primer on the SSPX Traditionalist Catholic bishop consecrations in July...
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Ben Harnwell
Wednesday, 20th of May. Anna Domini, 2026. Ben Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Let's bring in Frank Walker straight away. Frank, good evening to you.
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Frank Walker
Good evening.
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Ben Harnwell
So. So last week, folks, you might remember, I was on assignment back in my beloved homeland, the uk. And back here though, International Bureau studios for the show today. I've got a lot to go through today. First half, I think of the show. We're going to talk about the. What's going on. I think it's the big thing this year, the big, big thing for Traditional Catholicism, which is the episcopal consecrations by the Lefebvrists, the society of Pope Saint Pius X. And why I say that so big? Well, because it was the original consecrations back in 1988 by the Archbishop himself that led to the inverted commas, excommunications under the JP2 regime that really I, I think established in an institutional way the rebellion, the refusal on behalf of part of the hierarchy, whether it's validly consecrated or not, against the Second Vatican Council. Now, there had been holdouts from the 60s onwards, the odd priest here, the odd bishop there, but it was really Archbishop Lefebvre taking forward his seminary and making four bishops without consecrating four bishops without the Vatican's approval that really gave worldwide, gave Catholics worldwide access theoretically to the sacraments as they had always more or less been celebrated. At least, you know, we've got the Canon of the Mass, the Latin part of the Canon of the Mass that went back, I think to the fourth century, unchanged until the vandalism of the Second Vatican Council, which was really hijacked, I think, by modernists. The great tragedy is it was all done. Bunini, who was in charge, Father Bugnini who is in charge of the so called liturgical Reforms. He hoodwinked the then Pope Paul VI by saying, this is what we need to do in order to have a greater rapprochement, reunification with the Protestants, which in and of itself is a worthy thing. Right, but that wasn't what Benini's intention was at all. It wasn't to bring the Catholics back with the Reformed Catholics of Luther and the Reformation onwards, to bring them back into communion. That wasn't. That was the pretext what these guys, because they're all freemasons, right, Frank? What they really wanted to do was just destroy everything that was Catholic in the Catholic Church and use reunification with Protestants as the pretext within the Catholic hierarchy in order to bulldoze that through. Hadn't they had no intention of bringing the Protestants in? That was already taking place in the 1950s. The, the demographic which is the golden age of the Catholic Church, certainly in the United States. This is the high point of Fulton Sheen. For those of a certain age, a certain generation, they'll remember the 50s, the Catholic Church with being crossed, being sort of the bells of St. Mary's and all the rest of it. There were so many Protestants converting to, to the Catholic church in the 50s. The demographers, Frank Walker said if this rate goes on within 100 years, there won't be any Protestants left. The churches were being built, seminaries were being built, convents and monasteries were being built. It was an absolute explosion. And then between 62 and 65, they called the Second Vatican Council, demolished and vandalized everything that was Catholic about the Catholic Church in the ostensible cause of reunification with Protestants. And, and really you look at all the graphs, it was growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, 1962-65 and then decline, decline, decline. That's when they started closing the monasteries, closing the seminaries, closing the convents. And we've. But the, but the one flourishing on all the statistics and all the metrics, the one thing that has absolutely been flourishing in the Catholic Church since then, since the only thing I think since the Second Vatican Council, which has been an unarguable success, is the Traditionist movement. Those Catholics who never agreed to what was done by the bishops, by the cardinals, by the popes, they continued for many years going to masses in garages right in the States because they were locked out of all the churches. These were the real heroic days, the days of heroic witness when people would drive like for an hour or two with their 10 kids in the car, just enabled to have to hear the old, the traditional Latin Mass and out of That I think Archbishop Lefebvre was able, which is really a French movement, was able to build on that recusant infrastructure across the west to give us the traditional church as it is today. And here it is. Frank Walker, because of those four bishops, I think there are now only two left, two died, which meant that the Society of Pope St. Pius X, the Lefebvrerists, known as the SSPX colloquially, they had a decision to make. Are they going to continue on the, you know, the unicorn hunt of, of getting Rome to renounce its Modernism and return to tradition, or are they going to make provision for the future? And I say this as an introduction. Most Catholics, I think, will be more or less aware of what the skeleton of the argument is. But for evangelicals, it might be, might seem slightly esoteric. But in, in the Catholic Church you have this, the concept of apostolic succession. And there's. Every bishop in the Catholic Church today would have been consecrated, will have had the imposition of hands at the consecration when they're, when they're raised, if you will, from being a priest to being a bishop. And the bishop who puts his hands on the priest to make, to consecrate him also a bishop, that bishop in his turn will have been consecrated by a bishop who in his turn will be consecrated by bishop. And that laying of hands on hands on hands is an uninterrupted continuous chain that goes back to the apostles, that is apostolic succession. And in Catholic theology, I say this to our largely evangelical audience. In Catholic theology, it's a bishop, the consecrated bishop, who will ordain a man, a priest. So a bishop ordains a priest and a bishop consecrates a priest into being another bishop. And then the cardinals on top of that are the, the, the helpers, the assistants of. That's not, that's not a sacrament of the Pope in Rome. And then you have the Pope who is the, the successor to St. Peter. That's, that's how Catholics see the things. So Frank Walker, just to, to give that explanation, because I know we talk a lot in, in inside baseball terms here, but just to give that background, what is there for why I say what is happening in July is, is the big event in traditional Catholicism of the year is because the SSPX have realized that they're not going to get anywhere with their dialogue with Rome. Rome's not going to recant its Modernism. And in order to provide provision for the future ordination of priests, they need new bishops. And therefore they are consecrating and Think four is it five bishops in the first week of July?
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Frank Walker
I think it's supposed to be four. They haven't released the names of them yet, but many people out there say there should be a lot more. I don't know why it needs to be a lot more that the, this four will be a step in and of itself. You know, as you were mentioning about the laying of the hands, when that happens, when you have apostolic succession and a bishop is ordained, he is a real bishop. Just because the Pope is made and not want that to happen, may disagree with, you know, legally what happened. There's a reality that's passed on there so that every priest that is made a priest by that bishop is able to give you the sacraments, is able to turn the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, the soul and divinity which Catholics believe, and have your sins forgiven through confession. All that depends on what you just discussed. And all that will still happen even in this situation. The, the SSPX has announced that they're going to do this. Bishop. They always work from the idea of necessity and we absolutely have to be able to give these things to people for the sake of their souls. This is an emergency. That's the way they've been all along. And that's why in 1988 they made their own bishops. And so Cardinal Kissy, which is really quite ridiculous because this cardinal is a clown and he's, you know, very, very floaty, effeminate guy who's, who's a, publish all sorts of pornographic books and things. He's the one that's going to say that you have, are excommunicated if you do this, if you make these bishops, which we told you don't do, then you're excommunicated. And they mentioned John Paul ii, who did excommunicate them on the terms of schism. It wasn't really a schism because the schism says, I don't believe in the Pope, I don't believe in the Church doctrine, I don't believe in these things. It's not these kinds of small disagreements. But anyway, you're automatically excommunicated. Cardinal Fernandez says, and the Pope's asking the Holy Spirit. They don't ask Jesus so much. They ask the Holy Spirit all the time to pray for you that you'll change your mind. That's the story. And they're going to go forward with it and they say, because we have no choice. And they, they responded in this and they, they, they've said, you Know we, we have, you know, we, we want to be part of the body of Christ. We want to be united to Rome. But in order to be united to, to the church, you have to have the faith. And if you don't have a faith, you're not part of the Church. That's the way Catholicism is. That's why it's been so critical. And Jesus said to Peter on this rock, I will build my faith. The Popes have always had faith until for some weird reason in 2013 we got popes who, who were not Catholic, they were sort of anti Catholic and they don't formally profess the faith. So they say how can we be united when we don't share the faith? And then they go through and they've listed back to Cardinal Fernandez the SSPX why you know, Mary is the sole media. Mary helps mediate graces through God. It's, you know, we would be schismatic if we, if we disagreed. You have to be a member of the Church in order to be, go to heaven. They've said, you know, that's, and you know, you may not agree with that but, but that's what the Church teaches. Otherwise why do we have the church? We need to be united to the Church to go to heaven or we need God to be. That's what God has said to us. That's a Catholic teaching that they believe in. And so they, they can't be united to something that's, that's not Catholic. Yeah, they say that they, the Church has a unique form of worship. It has a Mass that is Catholic and that's another thing that they've always believed. And the new Mass is not Catholic. They believe and the new Mass was never abrogated as Benedict said. And we believe in the moral law. You can't be immoral. You can't have sins of impurity and say that God welcomes them. Like all of this pro gay stuff that's been happening. So they've listed every reason that they rejected. And you're right, they started from, I mean just 20 years ago. I looked at the SSPX, I looked them up. I'm like, well they're in a storage unit. I can't go to Mass in a storage unit. Something's got to be wrong. Now they have like nine churches in my state, you know, so they have really grown and they've really gained legitimacy. My question is now that I wonder is where will they go from here? What kind of support will they get? That's just, that's my Question about the ss.
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Ben Harnwell
It's so many things that you've said that, you know, literally could spend the rest of the show just, just picking through and digesting everything that you just said that in your analysis. Let's start off with this because you, you, you intimated it. And I want to break this down for our audience, what the difference is between validly ordained, stroke consecrated and illicitly, because these, these two concepts are pretty crucial here. And this is to do with effectively delegated or presumed consent from, from the, from, from the Pope. And that is if, if a priest is consecrated as a bishop without the permission or the delegated permission of the Pope, that is a valid if. All the other things, if the, if, if the, if the sacrament is perfected, performed correctly, then that will be a valid consecration, but it will be illicit. I think that's the difference, Frank. Right. That's what the canonists would say. Valid. It's a valid consecration. The Church recognizes that these are validly consecrated bishops, but they are illicitly consecrated. I think it's the same thing for ordination. If a guy is ordained as a priest, if it's done without the consent, approval, delegated approval by the, by the Pope, it's a valid ordination, but illicit. And there are some consequences on that, I think, to do with faculties when it comes to hearing confession and all the rest of. But that would be too much to dig, dig in, go into to the weeds on this. The point is, is that the bishops, these bishops, the consecration started taking place in July, as took place in 1988. Those were valid consecrations, but illicit. And you know, there is an issue here whether this is a schismatic act. I mean, you say it's not. My default position is that it is a schismatic act, but so what? I don't care because at the moment, because I fundamentally think it's more important to have access to sacraments that are undeniably valid, validly confected masses, where the traditional Catholic faith is being taught, than whether it's a formally systematic act from an institution which in itself is anti Catholic. You know, I think that's a, I think that's a prudential call, right? Whether you think, and here's the thing, right, there are. We've got, you know, this is why you said so many things in your analysis that are worth dealing with. There are, here's one things again, that you intimated it but didn't go into it, which is, this is where tradinc comes into play, because I say it's Like a prudential issue. I think it's more important to have the security of validly, of validly consecrated priests to ensure the provision of the traditional unchanging Catholic faith than it is to be in communion with an anti Catholic Rome. And this is where you see, this is where it's like lifting the slab up on top of Tradinc and looking at all the creepy crawlies that are lurking in, in the darkness beneath it, in the grime, the damp beneath it. Because that is pretty illustrative of the condition of Tradinc. Because when it comes to donations, don't forget to click, don't forget to follow, don't forget to donate. That's their mantra. Frank Walker. Right. It's all about the, it's all about the grift when it comes to the grift, that these, these people are choir boys when it comes to the public appearance of the traditional Catholic faith. But they're the first in the line to come out and put on social media that this PX ought not go ahead with the consecrations but should still continue. What, what must they do with Pope Leo? Frank, they must give Leo time. Don't bounce him into this. And that's you, you really see that? That's where their loyalty is, right?
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Frank Walker
That's their loyalty, yeah, to the faith. But, but to, to, to Leah.
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Ben Harnwell
It's to the grift. It's to the grift. That's where the loyalty is to the grift. It's just, it's just appearances, you know,
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Frank Walker
and the bishops have the same loyalty. You could, you could say that too, because I always think of them as like a neo con church. But I want your listeners to know that when the SSPs did this 88 years ago, a couple years later, that excommunication was lifted, that was put on the bishops. And Francis, for all of his faults, he was very supportive of the SSPX legitimizing their sacraments in a way that, you know, I don't know if you could say Francis did that, but he was supportive. I sat around with them and they were grateful for the support. So all of this time they have been really a part of the church, even though enemies will say that they haven't. And they were even, you know, legitimized in many ways. And who knows what will happen now because they preserved a lot of things that are here now because they took a leap of faith and trust back then. It may happen again.
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Ben Harnwell
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Frank Walker
was
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Ben Harnwell
the most open to the sspx. Now there were. Let me throw this at you and you tell me why you think this is. Because everyone, every commentator tries to explain why that might be. I'll just say because unlike Ratzinger or even JP too, Bergoglio wasn't, isn't, wasn't remotely interested in theology and certainly wasn't particularly ideologically interested in the Second Vatican Council. Though he, as a modernist, he was definitely in the camp of the modernists. It just wasn't something that rose his boat, if you will. The Vatican II documents, I don't think he ever read them, don't think he's remotely interested in them. So if you have the SSPX that reject them, the Bergogli was neither here nor there. That's my reading on it. That's why he gave them back faculties, I think, to hear confession. Something that Trad Inc's favorite pope, Pope Benedict xvi, never did. Though, as you said, I think back in 2010 he did lift the excommunications. What Just give me just before we head into the commercial break in a couple minutes, tell me what your reading is. Why how do you square this off? That the most, the, the pope who hated Catholicism the most was the most open to the traditionalists. What was, what was your explanation for that?
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Frank Walker
Well, what they say was because he had a friendly relationship with them in Argentina. And Argentina is where the current leader of the SSPX is from now. And you know the big trick that, that people don't talk about, but maybe the, the leader now who has helped select these new bishops maybe are like ringers. Maybe they have sound like good guys, but they're little, they're plants and down the road they'll blow up the sspx. That's possible. Doesn't sound like that's going to happen. But you know, remember Francis also gave us this thing called Shionis custodis which severely limited the Latin masses all over the world. So he did work against it. He just since the SSBX were sort of beyond his reach, you know, it didn't apply to them. But Leo has only, only taken what Francis gave him and made it even worse. The fact that the bit went on one SSPX bishop fell down the stairs and died and now they only have two and they can't continue. That's happened now. Only now that they've had to go to Leo and do Something about it. They've always said that they thought that Leo and Francis were valid even though they're not Catholic. So they've always been in their own way supportive of the two of them. I don't know why. Maybe they had something on Francis. Maybe it's an enigma. Why did Francis support them? I don't know. A lot of people have guessed. But when I was there that night sitting with around these SSPX priests and they were talking about how supportive he'd been and I was just as shocked as anybody else. I was amazed to hear it coming from them, but especially from Latin America. That's what they hear down there. That's what happened.
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Ben Harnwell
You mentioned that the SSPX have recognized the most recent popes as popes. Lefebvre himself back in the 70s flitted in and out of recognizing. He couldn't quite get, he couldn't quite decide whether Paul VI was, it was a pope or an anti pope. And he would, he would swing between the these two positions which is why he was never, he was never definitive, he never ruled and said philae. Did he kick there the set of accountants out. But Lefebvre himself basically said the SSPX is agnostic on the, on the set of accountist question. Frank Walker, stand by. We're back in two minutes after this short commercial break.
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Welcome back Frank Walker. We are, we are going to discuss other developments on the show today. But this thing is there's so many different things to say, say about these consecrations. You mentioned just before the break about tradiziones traditiones custodes, which was the removal of the ability which, the liberation which Benedict XVI widened said all priests, any priests, if they have a stable community, they can celebrate the traditional Latin Mass, the old Mass. They don't need any permissions from bishops or anything like that. Benedict gave wide dispensation to all priests and then Francis reigned that back in and squashed all over that. And you said that there's a tension, a contradiction really between that. On the one hand, the SSPX who don't fall in within the obedience structure of the institutional Catholic Church, those were basically given permission again to hear confession. But the priests and bishops inside his obedience tent to call it like that, they were no longer allowed to celebrate the old Mass. And there is an unusual, that sort of shows the fact that everything that comes out of Rome these days since the Second Vatican Council hasn't been based on any point of principle, but it's simply a power play. You, you, you are those who are directly under obedience to you. This is why they're all psychopaths in the the most, I would say 99 of Catholic bishops are absolute passive aggressive psychopaths. But this is their gameplay, right to those who are, who are under their, the hierarchy of obedience. So those who basically take vows of obedience as well. The whole Catholic Church structure is based on vows of obedience. Let's not forget that. That's crucial to understand because I think it's been massively, massively, massively abused that. But that's an argument for Another day, those who are inside the obedience superstructure of the institutional Catholic Church, those people are, get the full, the full psychological torture. Those who are outside of this system get the open arms, oh, you know, we're all brothers sort of thing. And that's nowhere more to be seen than look at the split screen schizophrenia of modern Rome. So on one hand like a couple of weeks ago they get the, the arch Layman of Canterbury in Sarah Dulali or whatever her name is. Open arms. Open arms. Let's have, let's have prayers together. Look, look what, what unites us is greater than what divides us. And all the humbug, you know, all the cliches, all the platitudes, you know, Church of England. Now you can have the argument whether those consecrate, whether their bishops are validly consecrated or not and the Leo XIII absolutely null and utterly void. No they're not. But the, the Catholic Church today in, in all the false charity that it's capable of showing doesn't, doesn't, doesn't tell the Anglicans. We don't recognize your, your episcopal consecrations. We think they're invalid. You're basically all just a bunch of laymen. They don't say that they give them their bishops. They don't say the arch Layman of Canterbury came, came to Rome to see the Pope. They say the Archbishop of Canterbury came to Rome. They use these titles. So let's just assume that the titles are genuine. Of course, though you and I and the, those who know what the Catholic Church teaches knows actually that's not true. The argument is, is that the, you know, the Church of England does its episcopal consecrations without any reference to Rome and yet they, they all come over to, they all schlep over to Rome for the photo op with the Pope and it's all open armed greetings and hugs and air kisses. The sspx, right, which really is far closer in the, in, in the substance of the faith than the Anglicans. These, you know, they get the, they get the you're going to be excommunicated shtick from Kissy Fernandez. Can you explain that to me? Am I right, Frank Walker, when I say since the Second Vatican Council everything in the Catholic Church is a power play and there's no actual principle involved. Am I right when I say that? Am I just being cynical?
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Frank Walker
No, I don't think you're being cynical about it at all. I think that that's why it was essential to have a Pope who is Catholic and a Pope who is Catholic would Not because he rules everything, it's not a democracy. And so it come flows down from this, this thing that Jesus gave us. The reliability of a Catholic Pope, you know, and so everything falls apart. And I've heard many times how it's a sin because of the way that power is the only thing that matters in this. It's sort of an anti church power is the only thing that matters. The SSPX is resistance. You know, resistance. You know they, they, you know, Francis said that their, their, their confession, when they hear confession, it was legal but it was already valid. It's just listed by the Pope. You know, there's, you know, the, the Mass to say this new Mass that we all say now that's not necessarily, you know, that's, that may be valid but that's not listed, that's condemned, that's been condemned by the other Popes. A lot of things that happened are condemned. And the sspx, you know, Leo is all about scandal. Like you said with the Anglican Church. They should warn the Anglican Church. That's the only point of a church is souls. That's the supreme law of the church are that souls can get to heaven and all that. The Leo church, the power hungry Leo church, all they do is they make it so that souls don't go to heaven. They give scandal. And the SSPX is saying we have to care about the people in our care. They've given their whole, those priests have given their lives for the sake of these souls. And they're going to warn those Catholic souls about what it takes to go to heaven and what, what will make it so that you don't get to heaven. Nothing since Vatican II ever discusses that. Nobody ever, you know, heaven. If heaven just happens, if heaven is just God's, you know, niceness or we can't presume upon God's will. That's not what the Catholic Church teaches. The Catholic Church teaches no, God has been clear about what his will is. If you're going to presume that you can flout his laws and you can flout God's will, maybe God will do something that he didn't say he was going to do. Yes, he can do whatever he wants, but that's that what they do in Leo's church since Vatican II is very destructive to souls. Souls like Our lady said at Fatima are falling like leaves all over the place. And that's why the Vatican is taking what they call, I mean the sspx, what they call emergency measures. And if it weren't for them doing this in the first place, then they would never apply the pressure because only power. Pressure is the only thing that works. Compliance never works because you're dealing with organizations that's subservient to the world. There are more powerful people who, above Pope Leo that are not Catholic. They don't care about the Church. They're the ones making the decisions, you know. So unless you resist, truly resist on Catholic grounds, you're never going to have any effect on the church at all there. I don't fight.
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Ben Harnwell
They find the question. You're on fire today. All right, look, we're going to have a shout out to a sponsor in a moment, but I think before we do that, we can segue from what you're saying about the bishops now, because if the bishops aren't, you know, what did you say? Isn't that, isn't that the start, the first canon, or is it the end, the end canon of the Church, the code of canon law, that the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls, that you said that is the point of the Catholic Church. But they don't care about the salvation of souls. And that's why, as you point out, the bishops never talk about it. Frank Walker, what do the bishops, what do the bishops talk about these days? Before we go to the shout out to one of our sponsors, tell me one thing that the US Catholic bishops are talking about at the moment. It's not the salvation of souls.
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Frank Walker
They care about money and they get money from democrat policy because the, the church that's the big larger church is really just sort of a, an agent on behalf of the left. And that's what they are. The bishops are again asking the Congress to approve a budget that isn't so heavy on enforcement of immigration law. There's just too much of that. What they need is, is more pastoral needs. They need to, the, the, they need their fundamental rights. They need reasonable conditions in their prisons. All these amorphous things that just really mean the bishop. What they want, being able to come and go inside detention centers. The way they want. What they really want is they don't want any ICE going anywhere near anything that they can call a Catholic property, because they want to make those Catholic properties in the huge big kingdoms of illegal aliens that nobody can touch without getting in a lot of political hot water. This is what they do in other countries. You know, there's a war and this is really a war, this illegal flood. In other countries, they have all of the, the bad guys.
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Ben Harnwell
It's an invasion and up with the
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Frank Walker
Catholic Church and they take all the bad guys and they put them on church property. The Church has a lot of property and they have plenty of cash, you know, so. And there's a lot of money that fight against it. So that they want, that they want their ICE nowhere near anything that has to do with the Church. It's important. But most of all, they don't want all this one sided money just for enforcement. You know, 54 people have died in custody and that's as many as last four years. But the last four years there wasn't anybody in custody. So what difference does it make? You know, their, their arguments are always very, very, very thin. And they're just floating them again looking for a budget.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, it's just like Tradinc. It's all about the griff. It's all about the money. The. So the US Catholic Bishops don't talk about the salvation of souls is what you said. Because heaven's just God's, God's niceness. Right. May happen, may not. It's all just God's, as you said, not interested really in preparing souls for salvation. What they, what, what they're interested in is the grift here, here on earth. And therefore there was a letter. This is what you're referring to. The letter signed by the, the Archbishop of Oklahoma City, Paul Coakley, who is the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and Bishop Brendan Cahill, who's the chair of the US CCB Committee on Migration. They wrote a joint letter. This is, this is where they're basically trying to lobby the, the US Administration on the budget and immigration. Here's what they say. Tell me, if you tell them to stop me, stop me. When I talk about, when I, when I, when I get to their part about the salvation of souls, I say that because you won't be stopping me. Enforcement of immigration laws cannot truly advance the common good without reasonable conditions that ensure respect for the God given dignity of each person, inherent in which is the exercise of certain fundamental rights. That's basically gobbledygook, right? The veneer. It's the veneer of Catholic theology. What they want are continuing access to the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars per year to subsidize and sponsor the invasion. That's what it's about.
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Frank Walker
Also the moral law. They say that in two, the two. You know, you mentioned on, on your, on your show that Rubio going to meet the Pope, that looked like maybe a betrayal of the administration because you know, the Met, it was A conflicting message. Well, there's $100 million targeted at the Catholic Church on behalf of Cuba. That's not supposed to have the Cuban government involved. And a lot of people have been very excited about that. And a lot of cardinals, Cardinal Cerny, Archbishop Wensky of Miami, the, the Pope himself met with a group of one of these Catholic organizations that's going to be spending this $100 billion. You know, even the Trump White House is ready to pay off the Catholic Church to give them those holy dollars for human dignity and the moral law. Well, I don't know where, I don't know where a lot of money is going to go, but it isn't like things are changing in the new church. I just think it's interesting that maybe, you know, politically, I don't know what that means. I don't know if you've noticed that or if you've read about that $100 million, but that's, that's a new kind of grift, a Trump era grift. And Marco Rubio is. And at the same time, the bishops are still attacking Trump anyway. Trump created the necessity for them to have to give that hundred million dollars to the Catholic Church. And also they can, you know, do the holy human dignity at Cuba, you know, but work for Trump. So it's not like he's getting any political benefit from that money. He never does.
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Ben Harnwell
Let's be honest. Let's be honest. The institutional Catholic Church, which is not the mystical body of Jesus Christ, the institutional Catholic Church, as in all these apostate, hireling, shepherd, stroke, bishop brackets, bishops, Right? They're as bad as in their own way there is. They're as bad as aipac, Right? They're as bad as a pack. Or if not worse, let's be honest about it. Quick shout out, because we're running to the end, very rapidly towards the end of the show. If you're a homeowner, folks, do listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, the scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever before. And your equity is the target. You know how it works by now. Criminals forge signatures on documents, then they take fake notary stamps, pay small fees with the county, and boom, home title has been transferred out of your name. And you'll only find out when that, when you start to get collection and foreclosure notices. So if you haven't checked the status of your own home title and would like to do so, use promo code. Steve, with the good folks@hometitlelock.com and make sure that your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lockdown protection. And that is 24,7 monitoring of your title. They'll also send you urgent alerts if there are any changes to that and if fraud should actually take place, God, God willing, never does. But if it should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million trying to fix that for you. So go to hometitle lock.com now, use promo code Steve and see what they can do for you to help you sleep a little easier in your bed at night. That's hometitlelock.com promo code Steve and Tax Network USA are always available to help you if you have notices from the irs. If you're feeling that they're putting liens out or something like that, speak to those guys. They'll give you free IRS research and discovery if you call them and they'll tell you exactly where you stand, what the situation is and if there's anything that they can do to stop proceedings before it becomes too late. They have massive computer programs and strategies that have proven in the past to save taxpayers thousands or even eliminate debts entirely if you qualify for that. Representing yourself with the IRS can often be an expensive venture and you'll end up waiving your own right. So the IRS is not on your side. Get protected the right way with Tax Network USA and start the process on settling your tax matters once and for all. Call 1-800-958-1000. That's 1-800-958-10000 or visit tnusa.com Bannon for your free discovery. Call with Tax Network USA. That's tnusa.com Bannon don't let the IRS be the first to act. Frank Walker, in the closing moments, we only have like two minutes left. Let's do the Pew report next Wednesday because that's got some fascinating statistics to dive in on. Let's just quickly talk about folks might have heard the about the Tommy Robinson march in London. I know we covered it quite heavily on the war room. In fact, in fact, the footage coming out from London as the millions of people were marching was, was being blocked by satellite. People couldn't record it with their phones and upload it because there are so many people there in the capital in London trying. So you know, when so many mobile phones in the same area, the whole thing freezes. Huge success. And Tommy Robinson before this did something very interesting and I Gather. He converted in one of his. When he was a political prisoner in, in prison in the uk he converted to Christianity. He did something very interesting. Frank, just give me 30 seconds. What did he do before the Unite the Kingdom march? What did he post onto Twitter?
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Frank Walker
Oh, I know, I don't know what he posts. I haven't been following it as much. But I did see something yesterday that was related to it definitely because I saw a woman crying her head off because I think she was in either Sweden or she was in the Netherlands because they had plunked down a facility for only male migrants right in her neighborhood. And there was a protest, small protests of people in their neighborhood and they were all scanned and they were told that. And she was just sort of there with a friend, told that she was possibly going to have her children removed for having been there at that protest. And she was just like, I wasn't really protesting. And I don't get forever protest again. Just leave me alone. She's caught between dangerous men and, and, and a life of that and, and, and the government. And that's why they're having. The streets of London are filled with people.
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Ben Harnwell
Robinson it's, it's satanic. They threatened to take, they threatened to take a woman's kids away from her because she was present at Tommy Robinson's Valley. It's satanic. And what did Tommy. I'll tell you, I tell you, you what did he did? He posted to X the Our Father, the Lord's Prayer. That's what he did. Because the, the, the resurrection of the United Kingdom will only take place through full, sincere, committed faith in Jesus Christ. Tommy Robinson knows that and he's not ashamed to say it. And that's the only hope that Great Britain has these days. Frank Walker. 10 seconds. Where do people go to keep up with you throughout the week? 10 seconds.
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Frank Walker
Canon 212. And then I have a daily update at Rumble and a Gloria TV Canon 212 spelled out on Twitter.
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