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WarRoom Battleground EP 1016: Totalitarian Keir Stalin Regime Tightens Grip On Anti-INVASION Dissent In UK
WarRoom Battleground EP 1016: Totalitarian Keir Stalin Regime Tightens Grip On Anti-INVASION Dissent In UK...
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- [00:03]
Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.
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Ryan Bridge
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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Steve Bannon
It's going to happen.
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Ben
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish
- [00:32]
Steve Bannon
that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room.
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Ben
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Friday, 22nd of May, Anno Domini 2026. Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Start the show straight away now with one of the great War Room favorites of our Friday evening show, Ryan Bridge. Ryan, welcome back onto the show. You are, I think, one of the great English patriots on the, on the scene right now. And whenever we get you on the show, our social media always, always lights up. You have been a naughty boy, haven't you, since you have been a naughty boy since you've last been on the show. Let's, let's, let's show you the. Let's show the footage of you, of you getting arrested by the British police.
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Ryan Bridge (on location)
Love you all. Look, I'm completely fine. Act of silence he'd leave me at lawfully. Can you really. Can you see me, mate? I've got a star warped. Are you tired? Absolutely gutted. I'm not on that street to say I'm gutted. Absolutely gutted by her. Keep going. This is the void. We're on. The middle of the street into another vehicle and blowing me across from dead. I'm an Easley turn at the moment, which we let the police are driving down to commentary. So hopefully, hopefully, you'll get a little thing with me.
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Ben
Ryan, what did you do? Why are you being treated like the UK's public enemy number one?
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Ryan Bridge
Well, I mean, listen, I think, Ben, this is an exclusive for the War Room and I think I'm just going to say how it is and tell everybody, tell the world the truth of what's gone on and how that I am trying to be silenced. So, yeah, I mean, looking at that, you'd think I was actually running criminal gangs, bringing people into the country. That's what you'd think. I mean, the way that they've taken Me away. It's absolutely horrific. So this is what happened. Obviously, it was the UTK march in London. It was a massive event for us at Raise the Colours. All the different members from Raise the Colours all over the country were attending the event. We all had a muster point, which was at London Euston Station, which is a main station in our capital, and we had that at 10 o'. Clock. So I've been putting that out there online for weeks and weeks and weeks. We had it all planned, that that's what we were doing, that's where we're going to be. And I've done that. So the authorities know where we are, we're where we're going to be. I obviously have a camera crew and I'm live throughout the day anyway, so they knew where I was coming from. Which was another city, Birmingham. And these, these Metropolitan Police officers, these police officers from, I think Bedford, Derby, Manchester, obviously London, Birmingham, they decided to do this mass arrest at the station in front of the world's media. And there we have it. And I think it's to silence the majority, it's to silence the public, it's to silence my close followers. And if you take the person from the sort of the top, maybe say, I believe that that's what they're trying to do, so we won't be silenced and we won't stop and I'll tell you what happened and the reasons for that.
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Ben
Just wheel back just one moment. You actually think this is an intimidation tactics on behalf of the UK police to publicly arrest you with a whole squadron of police in order to frighten off the British public from who might want to support you, who might want to come out from doing so.
- [04:26]
Ryan Bridge
Yeah, I mean, you've said squadron of police and it's them that want to scare us. I don't think it's them at all. I think it's the government, I think it's the UK government, this is the Labour government, the liberal left agenda of our government that want to stop me from voicing that. I don't believe that you should be victimized or called racist, fascist, nazi, all the rest of it, for loving the flag of your country and loving your country. I believe that you should be legal and lawful in our beautiful country. And I don't believe that people should be coming to our country for the fruits of our beautiful nation on small boat dinghies from third world countries. And I don't think that that should happen. And I think they're trying to silence me and I think they chose that day and that event to do it. And they made up some, let's call it a Mickey Mouse charge of grievous bodily harm, section 18 assault. And it follows on because then I get, you know, I've had seven bail conditions against that for me to be released. The counter terrorism police escorted me across London at high speed like I was a, let's say, I don't know, some kind of jihadist terrorist. And the terrorism police then put me in an old Victorian style jail cell, brick walls, no toilet. I had to, I had to press a buzzer and to wash my hands. I had to get escorted and that to, you know, that, you know, it was, it was, it wasn't a good night for us at all. And I was absolutely devastated. We had families, all people that follow raised the colors are family orientated. My family was there, my wife was there and she had to see the ordeal of me getting dragged and ripped about.
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Ben
Isn't that abuse? Don't the police need to justify when they arrest someone using anti terrorist legislation to demonstrate that there is an anti terrorist dynamic to that?
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Ryan Bridge
Yeah, I believe so. I mean, I've got my legal team looking at this, but this is a, one of, it's one of three things that we're looking at. So first and foremost we're looking to get the, the national ban of France, that I have been banned from the whole of France. So I was documenting in France the illegal invasion which is happening in the Channel, in the UK borders now. We are being invaded by men on small boat dinghies as we speak. We are being invaded and I was exposing that and I would be in France this morning and I would have been there exposing it and showing the world that we can stop it and that our government are not stopping this and they're choosing not to stop in it and they're actually escorting these people in like a taxi service for God knows what reason. So I'm banned from France. So my legal team are trying to help me with that. The second thing that they're trying to help me on is that I'm banned from Oxfordshire, which is a, a lovely part of the uk, as you well know. And I'm banned from Oxfordshire because of the lady that put herself under the wheels of our vehicle that was erecting the flags, the cherry picker vehicle. And she said, you're not putting no more flags up. And I said, yes, we are. And she, she lay under there and done a, a protest. And when I tried to move her out, I'm now arrested on that. So we've got three criminal cases in front of me. I've got, you know, there's paperwork with. And we're trying to fight this where my work isn't sat in an office fighting this with the legal team. My work should be with the left agenda, which is, which is unfortunately which our country's getting. So we've now got me preventing to sleep. I have to sleep and live an abode at a certain address which I can't name, which is obviously my own address. I'm not allowed to drive or be a passenger in a cherry picker fitted or mounted pavements to erect flags. I'm not allowed to speak to any co defendants, speak to any victims. I'm not allowed to go to the Ramada Hotel at Pen's Lane, which is a place which is close to my heart. It's the local hotel which has got, I think it's like 375 men of fighting age from third world countries living in there, having three square meals a day, massage seats they've got in there now table tennis, ping pong gymnasiums and they've got, you know, they've got all of, all of that. So I am literally banned from there. I'm banned from going to King Standing which is a very patriotic area in Birmingham and I'm banned from going to Sturchley High street and they're providing me with maps for all, all of that. Know it's quite difficult and it's just really, really stressful for us because I'm also banned from Oxfordshire. So now to get to London, I didn't know but I actually broke the law on, on, on Saturday when we went to utk. And the reason I broke the law is because I traveled from Birmingham New street and that train actually bullets through Oxfordshire. So I thought maybe I'm getting arrested for that. But then I found out they've got this bogus charge that when the police finally interviewed me 12 hours later after being put in those cells and missing the whole day shone that the police then answered their own question, was you there at the scene of the accident? And then they showed me a picture on my live video at the time of when the alleged check section 18 wounding has happened where someone has been hit with a vehicle that I wasn't actually there. So their own evidence proved my innocence. So I just, just. I'm completely devastated the way the country's treating me and I'm devastated how they're treating people breaking into our country from the third world
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Ben
because as you Point out whenever you come on the show, the police aren't arresting the invaders in the way that they're arresting you. As you say, they're taxing them to hotels, giving them three square meals a day with massage seats. You, however, are being dragged off like a criminal. What's the. Just before I give a quick shout out to our sponsors today, what's the legal process now for getting these charges all dropped?
- [10:32]
Ryan Bridge
Yeah, they're allegations at the moment, so they can only be charges if the Crown Prosecution Service see them that are being charged. So when the police present their evidence, when I've been arrested, the Crown Pro Prosecution Service say, bail the guy for three months and give him bail conditions. And it's the conditions that are killing us. The conditions are stopping me to travel, the conditions are stopping me to leave my premises. The conditions are stopping me to go to where I've got work addresses. So we're fighting this legal battle and, you know, it's, it's something that we're very confident because I am innocent. All I'm doing is, is showing perhaps the world on our social media, raisethecolors.org that we, we can stop this. If Raise the Colors can stop it, surely our government can stop it. Surely our government could put our, perhaps armies into the, into the Channel and stop it. There's hundreds of boats coming out, literally hundreds of men coming across the border on small boat dinghies as we speak. And the NGOs, the non government organizations will have, will have ferried these guys all across from Sudan, from Eritrea, from Ethiopia, from Somalia, up through Africa into Libya, across Libya, into Greece and Italy, and then they're going across Europe and then they get to, to France and then the NOS in France will then tell them what's the best day to cross, how the weather is, and they are coming now as we speak. We've had no crossings for a few days because of the weather. So, you know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to stop this. They're not stopping it. If anything, it's been, it's been aided and then we then fund it for the next five years while these guys claim asylum. And the other matter is then the list I've got of the rapes, of the sexual assaults, of the grooming, of the child exploitation, of the murders of the people.
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Ben
Let's hit the list. Let, let's, let's hold that list and hold the list and we'll, we'll go through it in just two minutes. I just want to give a Quick shout out to Birch Gold Group folks. As you might well know from now until May 29th, you've got one full week left. Birch Gold is giving first time Gold buyers a special rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. If you want details of that, or if you want the free information kit that Philip Patrick and his team have put together on how to diversify into gold, text Bannon. That's B a double N O N to 989-898. Birchgold can help you convert an existing IRA or even a 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. Once again, text Bannon to the number 989-898 and Philip Patrick and his team are standing by to give you whatever advice you might find useful. Also, if you are a home owner, it's all in the news constantly that cyber criminals are now using AI to expand their criminal reach. And they're doing that specifically right now to steal home titles. And of course with AI is easier than ever before. So if you want to check the status of your title, if you've not done that recently or indeed if you've got perhaps a collection or foreclosure notice, but you know that you haven't done anything to sell your home there and you want some advice again like a free title history report, then speak to the great folk at home title lock. You can go on to that hometitle lock.com promo code Steve, get the details there, put a request in and they will send you a free title history report on your home. They'll give you a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. And that's the, that's the offer that gives you the 247 monitoring of your home title, urgent alert to any changes and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million trying to fix it. That's once again hometitle lock.com promo code Steve. And of course just putting in that request won't cost you anything, but it will give you peace of mind. Back now to Ryan Bridge. You mentioned just before you go to the summary that you prepared of the rocketing sexual and violent crimes in the UK against women and children. You did just mention the situation with the Crown Prosecution Service. I just want to draw out for our mainly American audience that the Crown Prosecution Service is the organization in the British state, part of the judiciary that organizes the charging, the criminal charging of people. That is the organization that how many years ago, what 15, 20 years ago that was headed by Keir Starmer the actual Prime Minister. So I don't wanna. It's important to draw that connection, Ryan, when you're talking about the cps, there will be connections, friendships, networks, no doubt. Direct line. You did make the point that your, your main beef isn't so much with the police who are just following orders, but with the British government that the Home Office and what have you. There's, there's a, it's a, it's a seamless garment. Right, what they're doing too.
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Ryan Bridge
Yes, correct. Yeah, correct. I mean, our British Home officers, we know, have served papers on me from the French government. They've been there, you know, the lackeys, the running boys for them. And yeah, Keir Starmer, he did, he did head you up. And as we know, you know, Keir Starmer, the. You know, I don't even want to say he's our leader because he's not my leader. He. He literally, you know, he's defended people that have caused terror on the streets. And to do that and then be in charge of our countries, it's baffling and it's such, such a shame. So, yeah, I think this has definitely come from the top. And also the police and the cid, who are like, I don't know, like FBI style, the CID in the UK have said to me, we don't know why we're here. We don't know what you're, you know, we don't know why we're doing this to you. And I think, I know it's from a bigger regime and I think it's from the, from the top of the tree. And I think we are at. Raise the colors, really taking the branches and we are uncovering a lot. And that's why they're trying to silence me from doing this. I mean, we was just on a normal flagging mission where we go out and we raise some flags and show the, show the country that we're behind you and it's, you know, don't be scared to come out and put the flag out of your country. I mean, if you, if you do that in the uk, you're down as a racist and that's a fascist, you know, whatever they want to call us. So we were out there flagging and then that's when these, you know, band organization in America, like Antifa, Antifa come out. They've got their, their masks up, they've got their, all their garments on and they had poles with barbed wire on the end where they ripped the flags down, they slashed the flags, they flashed the remembrance flags that I have fallen on Armistice Day. They slashed them, which we spoke about in the past and it's the same group that come out. So we confronted them and that's when things were going backwards and forwards and these guys actually come and the cherry picker van with the hydraulic lift on the back which gets us up to the lamp post to erect the flags. They actually attacked that with wooden pallets and our driver was trying to get out of the way. One of them has been, has been hit with that van. It's an ongoing case but obviously I wasn't there. It was nothing to do with me. And they've arrested me on it and released me. So it's, it's just to silence me, I believe.
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Ben
Since you mentioned the, the antifa infiltration, I wonder whether Denver might be able to get the video of this guy going around with the mask. The 30 second video and it's in some of the, it's, it's. I've sent it through. We'll get that. Will play it up as you're talking there. Okay. Many people would like to know because the suggestion has been made that this might not be one of your guys. Right. This is the footage of the guy going around ripping masks off of other protesters, of counter protesters himself wearing a mask. Is this someone that you personally directed to do these things?
- [19:30]
Ryan Bridge
No. 100%. I mean when this sort of event went, when this altercation sort of say went on, I wasn't actually in that area. We'd left, we'd finished what we were doing. We'd done our flagging mission to the night. We got invited for refreshments by the local working men's club, British working men's club. You know, old fashioned traditions. The men were in there playing dominoes, finished work and you know, an old fashioned British working men's club. And we got invited in there and they said this has been took over by you know, people from the, the liberal left. And as you can see, someone's wearing a raise the colors jumper which you can buy from raisethecolorsofficial.com and you know, one of these perhaps could have brought this jumper and, and wore the antifa style clothing. And that's sort of.
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Ben
So this video, the, the reason I want to show this to the war impulses that this video is doing the rounds. There's a selection, you know, I wonder if Denver might be. Scroll some, some of the articles and that I sent through this in your local regional press like the Birmingham Mail. They're going big on this saying that this is, you know, this is intimidation indicating the fascist underbelly of Race the colors. You don't even know whether this is one of your guys or whether it's infiltration.
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Ryan Bridge
We don't even know this. I mean the Birmingham, the Birmingham male as you as your viewers can see now, it's always all about race, the colours, it's all about how bad we are. Thugs hit out at people. This, that and the other. I mean I have got a document here, an email. I wrote this email, I wrote this email yesterday to Birmingham Live and we invited them. Raise the Colours would like to invite you and your team to attend a reflaying in memory of fusilier Lee Rigby. This evening Birmingham City centre will take base between 7 and 8. Please get back to us. I'll put all the details on there. They don't even respond. Raise the pullers. Part of our community, we put a reef bearing for fusioner Lee reef B who got, you know, he got brutally murdered on the streets of the UK 13 years ago and that was, that's.
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Ben
Yeah, that's the anniversary, that's the anniversary today, isn't it?
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Ryan Bridge
Yeah. So we went there last night to do the reef bearing for this morning.
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Ben
So, so just remind, remind the viewers what that was.
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Ryan Bridge
So yeah, he come into the country, they said he was psychotic or whatnot. And it was another statistic of all these many people that have caused terror on the streets of the, that are unvetted men from. Unvetted from countries that we're not allowed physically to go to. They're on the, on the watch list, they're, they're on the leaseway. There's no embassy for the UK there and we, we're told we're not allowed to travel to these countries yet. People from these countries can come to our country illegally on small boat dinghies and then we take them in. For example Don Majek, he was a convicted murderer after he attacked and murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Weiss. Ahmed Balali, he was a convicted for murdering Mr. Terence Crane and attempting to murder another man. Maraji Chandry, he was a convicted murderer of a 16 year old Amy Barnes in Glasgow. Khalid Massoud previously reported from entering the country and remaining unlawfully in our country. He has a history and convictions. He later carried out the Westminster terror attacks. Another one, Ahmed Hassan, an Iraqi asylum seeker. Asylum seeker who's convicted over the Parsons Green terror attacks. These people are coming into our country illegally and they want to kill us and we are letting them in. That we are being invaded as we speak tonight and I am banned from going to France for doing nothing wrong. I haven't been arrested, I haven't been charged with anything. I've only been arrested for erecting flags in local areas to make communities feel safe. I could go on and on. The rapes, the sexual assaults, you know. He's convicted of raping a woman in marriage. Damas Batuf. Mr. Abud Alo, convicted of rape. Ibrahima Scene convicted of rape. Nazra convicted of rape in Leamington Spa. He writes a 12 year old girl. This guy, another guy, a Bangladeshi from London. Mazar Ramham, convicted of rape in London. Sexual attacks in Newcastle. Mustafa Berima. Child grooming gangs in Rochdale. Afghan asylum seekers convicted. The list goes on and on. I've got pages in this stuff. Theft and robbery. The list for theft and robbery is just, just off the scale. We'd be here all night. But the main ones that I'm worried about are these ones. Extremist and terrorist violence. Ama Assam, an Iraqi convicted asylum seeker. He's been convicted in the UK for terrorism. And the other one, the Redding stabbings. Libya asylum seeker Karif Saleed. Now we know Khalifa Salid, he's not Libyan, he's from South Sudan. This country's got 18 million men that are saying they're refugees. There aren't women, they aren't, there's no children, no women. These are men of fighting age and they're coming to the uk.
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Ben
It's absolutely clear, I think, Ryan, why the British government is trying to suppress you because the more success you have in getting these arguments out, the more the UK government is going to be unable to keep a lid on the popular anger. So the only way they can deal with this situation is to suppress it. I just want to say, because as you point out, it is the 13th anniversary of the assassination of Lee Rigby, a 25 year old British soldier fusilier, I think, I think in, in full schmutter, wasn't he? He was at the barracks in Woolwich.
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Ryan Bridge
Yeah, he was on the way, on the way home.
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Ben
If, if I'm not mistaken, he was actually in broad daylight in the shopping street with people walk by. I think he was decapitated by these two guys. If
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Ryan Bridge
what they've done, if I can jog your memory, what they've done is they drove around in a, in a vehicle that they'd got the day before and they was looking for their target. They drove around numerous arm, they drove around numerous cadet centers. So they were looking for a soldier and they seen fusilier Lee Rigby and he wasn't in his military gear but he had a help the heroes T shirt which is an organization close to our heart at Raise the Colours and they targeted him and ran him over first when he got up. After they ran him over, they then beheaded him and decapitated him. Yeah.
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Ben
Disgusting. Disgusting. People need to pay for that. The people responsible for allowing the tabern need to pay. Look, we've got about 30 seconds. Very, very quickly folks. I cannot compliment raise the colors more. Highly incredible work. I very strongly if you're in the business following the show and you want to send these guys a few pennies, Ryan, where do they find out more? More very quickly? Where do they go? For more information.
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Ryan Bridge
So raisethecolors.orguk that's raisethecolors.org.uk and it's we've got also got merchandise@raisethecolorsofficial.com so that's raise the colors and of course any donation will help. It will help to all the legal
- [26:39]
Ben
cast for the legal expenses.
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Ryan Bridge
Legal expenses are going out through the roof and we want to get the cherry pickers back on the ground in the UK to raise more flags. We will not stop and you can't
- [26:48]
Ben
be said and you inside them. Ryan Bridge, come back on the show. Keep us briefed. God bless you. Really one of the great English patriots at work saving the UK Today,
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Philip Gaspar
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Steve Bannon
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Ben
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Steve Bannon
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Ryan Bridge (on location)
No.
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Philip Gaspar
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Ryan Bridge
It's free, it's uncensored, and it's where
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Ben
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Philip Gaspar
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Ryan Bridge
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Ben
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Ryan Bridge
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Ben
Welcome back, folks. Well, this week Christian Schmidt, the high representative to Bosnia and Herzegovina, resigned after having a meeting with the UN Security Council. This is something we've been discussing on the show quite a couple of times, actually, with Philip Gaspar, our resident Balkan expert. Philip joins us today, fresh back from Sarajevo. This is pretty important, I think, because it's one of the lasting legacy projects of Bill Clinton and his presidency, though fundamentally endorsed by the US neocon establishment since was it 1996, the Dayton Peace Accords? 95, 96. And it's, it's the, it's the one nation building, democracy building venture, I think after the collapse of Iraq and Afghanistan, on which perhaps this is arguably modeled, that's left still standing. And now it's, it's time might indeed be running out. Just remind the war in posse where we are on this story and why this is important for the, for the U.S. taxpayer.
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Philip Gaspar
Well, thank you. As you said, it's the, it's the last, last nation building experiment I would say in Europe after 30 years, after 30 years after the war ended and which has proven, which has proven that something like nation building doesn't work. And also, and also that to impose a system in a foreign country where a foreigner holds powers that he can, that he can't impose, impose any law or change the Constitution. Show us again that all this money that goes into foreign nation building or whatever doesn't solve anything. Actually, it even worsens the problem.
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Ben
So tell me about Christian Schmidt's resignation.
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Philip Gaspar
Last week, Christian Schmidt, in front of the UN Council, he said that he's going to step back, but he will stay in power until his successor is found. And he said by resigning that the biggest constitutional crisis, the country Bosnia Herzegovina, or state Bosnia Togovina, has entered after the end of the war, that he's accusing also the Serbs and other parts, that they're working against the state. But I think in the end, he didn't have the support by the Trump administration. And also a lot of people inside Bosnia and outside were frustrated by the actions he has taken in the last years.
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Ben
So already he didn't have the support of Russia and brackets China, but principally Russia. And now you're saying it appeared that he lost the support of the US Administration, which has made his position somewhat untenable. We'll talk about the implications. We'll talk about that just now about what this means, that the Trump administration has pulled the rug. But before we do that, let's just recap who this guy is. The role that he had as high representative, it's effectively a colonial, it's a Western colonial superstructure that stands above the, the Bosnian state, right? This guy, this high representative who's not elected, has no democratic mandate, can dismiss governments, he can write laws, he can veto laws. He's basically above change the constitution. He sits above the whole legal democratic framework, empowered by the Western powers. And you have made, quite reasonably, as a critic of the office. But you, you do make, you do tip the hat to suggest that perhaps this infrastructure was, that the role of the high representative might have been necessary 30 years ago, where, when the country was just coming out of a, a terrible civil war. But it's really not inhibiting the ability of democracy to take root. You know, I don't know what the term is in America, but in, in the uk. In the uk, we use the word stabilizers for these little wheels that you get on kids, bikes. I think Americans have a different term, but, you know, you put the kid on the, you put the stabilizers on the bike, the kid learns how to ride the bike, and then you take the stabilizers off. And I'd use that as the metaphor for the role of the high representative.
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Philip Gaspar
Exactly.
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Ben
A provisional, temporary system to allow the previously warring factions to get together and build their state together. And now it's impeding that. Just tell me a bit about why you think the Trump administration has pulled the rug on Christian Schmidt. Do they want their own guy in, or do they want to fundamentally reimagine the role of high representative,
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Philip Gaspar
I think a little bit of both. So for just say at the beginning when the, when this, when this position of the Hyrule James, that was implemented 30 years ago stopped the war, stopped the blood cheating on all sides. But the problem, as you mentioned, it was a model that was modelized for the beginning to stabilize or to introduce something like democracy, but it became a politically infantilizy and nothing works because if you don't give responsibility to people in the end, of course they won't grow up in political terms and nothing and nothing will change in my opinion. What the Trump administration, of course, first, as you mentioned at the beginning, the high amount of taxpayers money that is pulled into the country the last 40 years for what it's getting worse economically seen and politically seen. And I think the second thing that you said, if they are going to implement a successor, then of course I think someone with less powers than the high representative has at the beginning and of course someone who is more aligned with the Trump administration. So with the last years, the main focus by the US Government and I think by the Western was the fight against corruption. And now when you look at Western Balkat, especially Bosnia, Segovina, that you have also a problem regarding security issues comes to Islamization or something else, which doesn't mean I don't want to say it's a country like Afghanistan or something like this.
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Ben
Hold it there, Philip. I'm just going to do a quick shout out to the show's second half, two sponsors, then we'll come back because I actually think the system here that is failing in real time in Bosnia might be used, utilized perhaps for the two state solution in the Holy Land. And I think that's a big risk there. But first of all, perhaps you owe back taxes and you haven't filed in many years and the IRS is sending you letters threatening liens and what have you and you need some advice. Well, now is the time for you to get that advice and speak to the good folk at Tax Network usa, because they are offering right now a completely free IRS research and discovery call to show you exactly where you stand and what they can do before it's too late. Don't forget, that's a free call, free consultation. If you speak to normal accountants, that kind of thing could cost you many hundreds of dollars. But Tax Network USA will give you that advice for absolutely free help, talk you through your options. He does Nothing in that call. 1-800-958-1000 once again, 1-800-958- 1000, speak to the great folk at TN USA or go online tnusa.com Bannon get that free discovery call with Tax Network USA. Don't let the IRS be the first to act. And also right now I realize that there are many choices available to you when it comes to choosing cell phone service and there are new ones popping up all the time. But here is the truth. There is only one service that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes freedom is worth fighting for. And that is Patriot Mobile. They've been in the game now for 12 years and they have never been hesitant to proclaim their support for Americans defending their God given rights and freedoms. Switching is easier than ever. They can activate a switch over in, in just a matter of minutes. You can do this from your home phone 972patriots today or go to patriotmobile.com Bannon use promo code Bannon for a three month of service. That's patriotmobile.com Bannon or call 972patriot. Make that switch today. Everyone is telling me how great their service is. Back with Philip Gaspar right now. Philip, you know when it comes to the situation in Bosnia Herzegovina, and I have to say I do read your analysis on this, you are very fair to the situation. You do point out the fact that there was some utility in the role 30 years ago and you tip your hat in that direction though you're suggesting it's basically inhibiting now the embedding down of democracy. Two very quick questions for you. Let's deal with the first one. Is it possible that this nation building model that is now 30 years old might be dusted off again and used in the Holy Land, do you think, for the, for the two state solution there?
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Philip Gaspar
You mean like, you mean like into nation building and what, what kind of nation do you want to do. Want to create in the Holy Land?
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Ben
Exactly.
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Philip Gaspar
They already tried the nation building by creating the Palestinians. So I don't know which new one they want to create. No, I don't think, I don't think that any nation, any nation building in the last 40 or 40 years was a success and it will fail. And it doesn't matter if you call it nation building or implementation of a peace agreement. If the people, ethnicities in the country itself don't want to develop a peace or live together, then you can't force anything on them.
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Ben
The. There is an article, you've got this article out I think quite recently in the Hungarian Conservative. It was a great, it's a great website by the way. I have a lot of Great writers there you make the argument, which is that the principal critique of the, of the neocon nation building enterprise, that you can't embed democracy in nations that don't want democracy. It's just going to end up in an expensive failure. Let me ask you this because you are an expert here in the Balkans and you do make the point that withdrawing either the role, the office, Western support could lead the very precarious situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina to deteriorate. Let me just ask you whether you think a, a separation into the various ethnic parts, a full devolution, breaking up the country is the word. If it can be done peacefully and with a degree of order, whether that is really the worst possible outcome at this stage, 30 years on.
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Philip Gaspar
Now, first to the first point. So if you ask the people on the ground in Bosnia Togovina if they are democrats, of course, so I wouldn't say that the democratic process itself has failed. It's just what we used to term at the beginning, that the people or the politicians are not held accountable for the responsibilities what they're doing. To the second point, I don't know if the audience is aware of it, but Bosnia Togovina, the state itself is divided into two entities. One is called the Republika Srpska, which is not to mismatch with Serbia itself and the so called Croat Bosniak Muslim Federation Federation. The Croats recently are seeking and seeking and calling for their own third entity. Why? Because you have this model when it comes to elections that Bosniaks can vote and elect the representative of the Croats, which is of course unfair. So the Croats are seeking for their own entity and to now finally answer your question, of course, every, every, every piece and every model that is, that is done without, without blood is good. And I think it's the. In the, in this, in this, right now, in this moment, it's the, it's the only way that can, that can lead to a prosperity in Bosnia, to Govina. Because I'm, I myself, I'm against war, I'm against violence. My family was, was. It still is from there. So it makes no, absolutely no sense but to finish it. It's the only way that the, that the politicians and also the people finally, finally take responsibility and take their own destiny in their own hands.
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Ben
And as I say, you just got back from Sarajevo. What's, what's the view? What. On the idea of a. If you can only hold, if the only way you hold this state together is by having a colonial style dictator, I don't know, just forcing it together with Western political support and Western taxpayers financing, if that's the only way of keeping the glue of this entity together, then perhaps, you know, the, the devolution in intercept ethnic territories is, is the only way forward. What do people, what are people thinking on the ground there towards that? Is there a fondness now after 30 years, is there a sentimental attachment, a sense of patriotism towards this unitary government or.
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Philip Gaspar
Or not really not the government itself. Of course not. I mean, if you ask, if you ask any person from. It doesn't matter if it's a Croat or Serb or Bosniak, they love the country. I think it's a typical Balkan thing that you don't trust the government or the state, but you love your country. So. But the question, when it comes to the high representative, of course the Bosniaks, the Muslims, they hope that this function, that he will stay where he is so that the new successor will be there, which I can understand because they saw what happened 30 years ago, the Serbs and also the Croats. Croats are tired of this position or even of this function of the high representative, because he doesn't bring any, he hasn't brought any good in the last years. But to your questions. So they won't. The country itself won't fall apart. And I don't see any danger or threat at the moment that the moment somewhere from outside is not taken care of or over them that they will break out the war. I mean, we had Tito the moment he died, it didn't work out. And I think with the side representative, I even more. And I hope that the people, and I think most of the people see it as a finally as a chance to be responsible and to bring the country into a new future. So if they fail, if it's because everyone calls Bosnia to Govina a failed state, but in the future, if it's still stays a failed state. So the Bosnian, the people of Bosnia, Segovina, it's their own fault, not by someone from outside.
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Ben
We've pretty much reached the end now of the show. But just look, give me 60 seconds. Do you think that the role of listening to speaker, do you think that the role of high representative is basically a remodeling and a reimagining along Western sensibilities of the role that the personal authority that Marshall Tito had in, in holding things together in Yugoslavia?
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Philip Gaspar
Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit. But as you said, what I don't understand when I wanted, when I, when it comes to people from Bosnia to Govina, that they don't see it that they want to, that they want to keep this position. Instead of seeing it. I for myself would tell the high representative to go because I, I don't need a nanny or someone else who's, who's taking, who's taking care of me. So maybe at the beginning they thought, or maybe they thought that the people are savages and they need control from the outside. But I think, I think it's, it's vice versa. So that's the only, only way.
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Ben
Look, just while I've got you here, because I have a perplexity, again, very, very quick response. But you mentioned how, how the entity. You have basically three separate presidents supposedly elected by their exactly, if you will, demographic. And you mentioned the fact that, that the Bosniaks are voting in the Serbian. If I've got that right,
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Ryan Bridge
how do
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Ben
you stop that from the crow, but how do you stop that from taking
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Philip Gaspar
place the, the Croat. The Croats are asking for years now to change this and they call actual electoral law. Right at the moment. Right at the moment. The Bosniaks and Croats can so can vote for. It's not like this that the Croats can only vote for Croats politician and that the Bosniaks can vote for Bosniak politician because there are more Bosniaks than Croats. The Bosniaks say, okay, we impose our own candidate and please vote for the Croat candidate so that they have basically two instead of one, if you understand what I mean.
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Ben
Well, so for our largely US Audience, it's basically what an open primary. And you're suggesting it needs to go to a closed primary system on election. But how you would do that without just basically not giving voting rights along ethnic lines, in which case you are basically devolving the state anyway. Right. Anyway, look, Philip Gaspar, you are the, the expert on all these things in, in the Balkans and very privileged to have you on the show whenever there's a development like this. Surprise. I didn't expect this, but the surprise resignation of the high representative Christian Schmidt this week to Bosnia and Herzegovina in the meantime, and I know you'll keep us abreast of all the developments, where do people go to keep up with your analysis on this and to follow you on social media, Go to my XX account.
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Philip Gaspar
Gaspar Gasper Point, Philip. Exactly. Thanks.
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Ben
And we can see. And we can see that there right now. Okay, that's it. That's time for the show. I will be back on Wednesday for our show on traditional Catholicism and the Christian revival taking place in the United States. United States. Thursday we'll do the show with Remix and Brussels Signal Friday here. The Breakdown specialized in depth interviews on European affairs. Steve will be back at 10am tomorrow. My thanks to Vittorio Santi Franco for putting this show together and for will for holding the fort in Denver at Real America's voice.
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