WarRoom Battleground EP 1030: GIDEON ROSE, Author Of How Wars End, Explains His Thesis “Similar Wars End In Similar Ways”

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon’s War Room – Battleground EP 1030 Date: June 12, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Guest: Gideon Rose (Council on Foreign Relations; Author, "How Wars End"), Ryan Bridge (Raise the Colors)

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Episode Overview

This episode of War Room Battleground features an in-depth conversation with Gideon Rose, author of "How Wars End" and recent writer for Foreign Affairs. Rose shares his thesis that “similar wars end in similar ways,” specifically analyzing parallels between historical U.S. foreign conflicts (Vietnam, Korea) and contemporary ones (Iran, Ukraine). The second half of the episode shifts to UK domestic politics and activism, with guest Ryan Bridge of Raise the Colors discussing recent events in Northern Ireland, restrictions on English patriotic expression, and upcoming protests in Brighton.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. How Wars End – The Structure of Conflict and Policy (Gideon Rose)

Main Thesis

• Rose posits that wars often follow structural patterns and that understanding these can illuminate probable outcomes for current conflicts. He draws analogies: Vietnam as Iran and Korea as Ukraine.

The Vietnam Process: Five Stages ([04:16])

• Entry: U.S. supports a weak southern ally (South Vietnam); attempts incremental involvement to prevent communist victory.
• Escalation: Increases military advisors, aid, then combat troops; intended to change the balance.
• Stalemate & Frustration: Despite massive effort, no decisive victory.
• Negotiations: Attempts at ceasefire, even as fighting continues.
• Extrication: Gradual withdrawal and compromised peace that doesn’t resolve underlying issues.

“What happened in Vietnam was that the local government we were supporting...was not particularly effective, not particularly beloved, not particularly strong...There was a communist movement...more motivated, probably better led…We ended up bombing and we ended up sending US troops...but the north kept coming.”
— Gideon Rose ([04:16])

Mapping to Iran ([09:48])

• Early 2026: After US/Israeli attacks on Iranian capabilities, Iran rebuilds militarily; trends for Iran remain strong.
• February 2026: US and Israel escalate, seeking either to "mow the lawn" (limit capability) or, at best, topple the regime.
• Outcome: The regime does not fall; both sides reach a damaging stalemate; both realize further escalation is too risky, leading to a ceasefire and negotiations.

“So in both Vietnam and Iran, the trends were going against us. And the question was, do you accept those trends and the losses that would come with it...Or do you try to intervene...?”
— Gideon Rose ([15:08])

Rose’s Law of Foreign Policy ([15:08])

• “All policies suck, but some suck more than others. And the job of the policymaker is basically trying to find the least sucky problem solution...”

Vietnam Negotiations and Endgame ([20:21])

• Nixon, like Johnson, realizes the war’s objectives are unattainable without catastrophic commitment; secures peace with unresolved issues, leading to inevitable future conflict.
• Rose foresees a similar outcome in Iran: a ceasefire addressing immediate concerns (oil flow, nuclear controls) but not resolving underlying disputes.

“Unfortunately, that's probably what we're going to see now, which is the ultimate fate of the Iranian regime is not going to be decided in the next month or so...but it is possible that we may well get an agreement that allows the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, some kind of controls on the nuclear program...”
— Gideon Rose ([20:21])

On Military Power and Political Outcomes ([23:38])

• Military power is easy to wield, but decisive and durable political settlements are elusive.
• Cites U.S. experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq: “We had gone into those conflicts naively thinking that we could achieve results fairly easily and then got stuck. And so thinking carefully about when to engage is often, you know, something that should be done but rarely is.” ([23:38])

Silver Lining for the U.S. ([24:56])

• America’s historic resilience and societal dynamism can outlast strategic setbacks.
• “...the creative dynamism of American capitalism and the regenerative...capacities of American democracy...are unlikely to stop doing so now.”

— Steve Bannon quoting Rose ([24:56])

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2. UK Patriot Movement & Protest – Ryan Bridge Interview

Belfast Incident and Travel Disruption ([33:44])

• Widespread violence following immigration-related attacks. Ryan recounts being blocked from traveling to Belfast to support local protests; suspects authorities prevented the gathering of English patriots.

“That is my gut feeling...these people knew what was going on and they did not want people coming over.”
— Ryan Bridge ([35:32])

Government Suppression and Patriot Reporting ([36:32])

• Raises concern over censorship: colleagues threatened with arrest in Belfast for live streaming.
• Observes the state’s efficiency in “silencing the likes of the patriot movement...people that are reporting on these platforms.” ([36:36])

English Flags, National Identity, and Detention Centers ([38:35])

• Reports on new bans against asylum officers wearing badges or poppies (symbols of English identity) in “detention centers” (termed by Ryan as “five-star hotels”) so as not to “intimidate” migrants.
• Similarly, local councils ban flying of the English flag during the World Cup, citing “community cohesion” and “health and safety.”

“If they're wearing that on their uniforms, they can't wear the badge of their country, a pin badge. So that's now been banned from our country. It's, it's getting that woke and left and out of control.”
— Ryan Bridge ([38:35])

Popular Reaction and Planned Protest in Brighton ([45:43])

• Bridge describes the planned “peaceful carnival” protest in Brighton at the heart of left-wing activism. Counter-protesters expected, some threatening violence; organizers insist on peaceful demonstration.

“We're not interested in those types of people. We're interested in, in our flag, our country, our togetherness...we want to show the people of Brighton...that we are there for them.”
— Ryan Bridge ([45:43])

• Emotional tribute to victims of violence attributed to recent migration: Siobhan White, mother of a murdered daughter, to speak at the protest.

Closing on Mood and Support ([51:02])

• Bridge notes unprecedented level of public support in mainstream press comment sections for their cause; underscores rising public frustration.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Rose's Policy Cynicism:
  “All policies suck, but some suck more than others.” – Gideon Rose ([15:08])

• Vietnam-Inspired Prognosis:
  “...ultimately the North Vietnamese called his bluff. And so Nixon and Kissinger were forced to basically recognize that the ultimate goals they wanted weren't really going to be achievable without a huge investment in escalation…” – Gideon Rose ([20:21])

• On Military Power’s Limits:
  “It turns out to be relatively easy to use force, but a lot harder to connect that to the achievement of political ends.” – Gideon Rose ([23:38])

• On British Identity Suppression:
  “If they're wearing that on their uniforms, they can't wear the badge of their country…that's now been banned from our country. It's, it's getting that woke and left and out of control.” – Ryan Bridge ([38:35])

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Key Segment Timestamps

• Rose on Vietnam Structure & Iran Parallels: [04:16] – [11:10]
• Rose’s Law of Foreign Policy: [15:08]
• Negotiation Dynamics (Vietnam & Iran): [18:41] – [22:29]
• On Military Power and Political Outcomes: [23:38] – [24:56]
• Belfast Incident & Travel Suppression: [33:44] – [36:36]
• Flag Bans & National Identity: [38:35] – [42:36]
• Brighton Protest Overview: [45:43] – [49:26]

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Tone and Takeaways

• The conversation is intellectually rigorous but laced with Bannon’s characteristic populist, combative framing.
• Rose maintains a skeptical, realist perspective, pushing for pragmatic recognition of structural limits in foreign policy.
• The second segment is charged with emotive rhetoric about national identity, perceived government overreach, and the struggles of the UK patriot movement.

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Further Resources

• Find Gideon Rose’s “How Wars End” and latest analysis via CFR.org/expert/gideon-rose and LinkedIn.
• Follow Raise the Colors activities and upcoming events at raisethecolours.org.uk and raisethecolorsofficial.com

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This episode is a compelling intersection of historical analogies, foreign policy realism, and contemporary activist fervor—a useful listen for understanding both strategic dilemmas in international conflict and the cultural pulse of right-wing activism in the US and UK.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

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[Gideon Rose]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Steve Bannon]

If that answer is to save my

[Gideon Rose]

country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K.

[Steve Bannon]

Band Friday, 12th of June, Anno Domini 2026 Harnwell here at the helm of on Steve Bannon's war room well, one of the things I really do enjoy when I'm presenting the show is we get in a whole array of MAGA stalwarts to give an analysis from that particular perspective. And that always obviously goes down very well. This is the home of maga. Very occasionally, not every Friday evening, but very occasionally, we like to tap someone who's not on the usual roster and to give a couple contrary point of view. That's what we've done this evening in the first half of the show. Second half of the show. Stay tuned for this is Ryan Bridge, co founder of Raise the Colors, a great beloved figure in the English patriot movement, who's going to be telling coming on, giving the latest about what he's going to be doing this weekend. First, however, we have tapped for you this evening Gideon Rose, who is an associate senior fellow at hold your breath folks. Cut your pearls Here at the Council on Foreign Relations who's writing in Foreign affairs, which is Steve Bannon often says on the morning show it is the world's most prestigious and informed magazine, quarterly magazine on foreign events. Gideon, thanks for coming on the show. You've put out an absolutely corker of an article which I have read and underlined in many places. Iran as Vietnam, Ukraine as Korea. And you sort of point some of the similarities in a very strategic and structural way. And your analysis on this, the reason why you've done this is because you have written a book and I'll give the link to that at the end of the show. How Wars End. It's essentially your thesis that if you understand what the structures are of these similarities, if policy makers understand that, then you have a better insight as to how these Things might conclude. And that's why I think you've written the book, that's why you've written this article. Why don't you just start off perhaps and go through. Because we've got 20 or so minutes to do this. Go through perhaps. Let's start with your thesis that Iran is Vietnam and Ukraine as Korea will do that afterwards. Just go through, if you wouldn't mind. This is what your article does so well. The narrative here of exactly how the United States found itself in Vietnam and wasn't really able. And you sort of mentioned the five steps, entry, escalation, frustrated, stalemate, negotiations, and then finally extrication. And I know you're not going to get, you're going to paint, you're going to paint this picture with a light brush. You're not going to be too heavy on saying, okay, so this maps totally to the present day. But I think the thesis is interesting. Steve, often mentioned this has done from the beginning on February 28th, the parallels. I'd like to hear your perspective here. Perhaps start off with exactly as I was saying, how America found itself in Vietnam and how it wasn't able to extricate itself even though it tried to escalate, to de. Escalate strategy. Gideon, the microphone is yours.

[Gideon Rose]

Great, thanks for being here. The basic point that I try to make is that there's a structure to reality that's independent of us. And if you're a policymaker, you are trying to change the world from where it is, but you have to deal with where it is in order to change it accurately. Because if you try to bump up against a structure that can't be changed, you're not going to be successful. And what happened in Vietnam was that the local government we were supporting, the non communist government in the south of Vietnam was not particularly effective, was not particularly beloved, was not particularly strong. And there was a communist movement and a local insurgent sort of handmaiden of that in the north and in the rural areas of the south that was more motivated, probably better led than our South Korean allies, sorry, South South Vietnamese allies, and was gaining ground. And so when Lyndon Johnson came into power after the assassination of both President Kennedy and the assassination of President Diem in Vietnam, the question was what should the United States do? Because if you did nothing, it looked like the South Vietnamese would ultimately lose their local civil war, that the North Vietnamese and their guerrilla allies in the south would ultimately beat the non communist South Vietnamese regime. And so the Johnson administration decided to keep American policy the same, which was make sure that South Vietnam didn't fall to the Communists, but they didn't really have a good answer for how to do that in the long run. So what they adopted was a policy of give help to South Vietnam, help them fend off the attacks from the north, and hope that in the long run that would be enough to get the north to cease and desist. So at the very start, we sent advisors and aid and that went okay, but it didn't really help the south win, and the north just kept coming. And so we ended up bombing and we ended up sending US troops in first to protect the airfields from which we were bombing and then to engage in fighting itself. And again, the hope was we would use our power to frustrate the north and the Communists and help the south and that that would eventually lead to a Southern victory and preserve the South's independence. But the north kept coming and we kept matching and upping our involvement. And after several years we had half a million troops. We were bombing the hell out of the north, and yet it still wasn't enough to get the north to stop. And at this point, we didn't really know what to do. And so the Johnson administration basically finally said, our strategy isn't working, but we don't know what's going to work and we're not going to lose or we're willing to walk away. So I'm just going to cap it where it is. Johnson in 68 essentially says we're going to unilaterally pause our bombing. We're going to keep fighting, we're not going to give in, but we're going to also start some negotiations. I'm going to withdraw from politics, not run for another term, and kick the can to my successor that turns out to be Richard Nixon, who along with Henry Kissinger, inherits war leadership in early 1969 and basically tries to do the same thing, but it doesn't work. And so he's faced with a problem very similar to what we have sort of now a little bit, which is we have a strategy that's not really seeming to work, but we don't really know what to do differently.

[Steve Bannon]

So to use your schema, the mapping would be what you've just described through then is the entry part. We're not necessarily really at the escalation full on at the moment, but we're in the entry, a little bit of escalation in order to know, because you have a reputation to defend, obviously, and into the sort of the frustrated stalement part. Right. And Then of course, with Kissinger, there's the idea, okay, what we've got to do is basically bomb the hell out of them, amp up the escalatory aspects. Now, before we go on to that, would you just give me sort of just two minutes as a paint with a light brush on this one, but give me just, just map the concepts here, if you wouldn't mind, to the present Iran situation up to the present point transpose.

[Gideon Rose]

After last year's attacks by the United States and Israel on the Iranian nuclear program, there was a lot of damage done, but the Iranians were rebuilding their conventional military defenses and their missile programs. And the United States and Israel worried in early 2026 that if we didn't do anything, the Iranians would get to the point where they could ultimately have a shield around their nuclear program that would enable them to restart their nuclear program, that would ultimately enable them to be a major power in the region, threaten Israel, threaten us, do other things, etc. And so in that sense, there was a similarity in the sense that the trends were against us. And in order to halt those trends, the United States and Israel attacked in February. And the idea there were multiple potential goals. We still don't know the whole story, but at the minimum, the idea was knock them back militarily, what the Israelis call mowing the lawn. And at a maximum, it was hoped that your decapitation strike would collapse the regime and end the problem. So, Gideon,

[Steve Bannon]

let me just stop you here because I just. The first observation is that both of the primary causes for US Involvement here, they're not without merit in. But in either case, not with Vietnam, not with the Israeli American initiation here in Iran, both, you can make an argument to say both of these things. There's a logic and a merit to them. Obviously, there are arguments that go against this. You know, you could sort of introduce other factors perhaps that weren't really being considered in depth at the time. But first off, I've seen military, I've seen military adventures in the past that have less moral sustenance behind them than this. There was a, there's a credit, there was a credible argument to be made. I was personally against it. A lot of the, you know, quite a few commentators were against the, the February 28th bombing of Tehran, wiping out the Ayatollah and what have you. But let be that as be that as it may, one can recognize the legitimate arguments at that time. So here you've mapped out the entry, the small scale escalation so far rather than escalation as the desperate strategy. You've mentioned what you call here the terms frustrated stalemate now, and I would segue from frustrated stalemate into frustrated negotiations to a certain extent. So it's a pickup again on the I tell you what, let me give a quick shout out to our sponsor, then we'll pick up again where we left off in in Vietnam. So quick shout out to Birch Gold. They have got a I mean, I have been calling this a special commemorative 250 coin I had on the morning show today. Steve, say it's not a coin, it's a round. But this special America 250 round is being made available to you folks from now until the 10th July, and it is being made available to anyone who makes a purchase of $10,000 or more. So special limited edition America 250 special anniversary round brackets coin to mark the anniversary in the founding of your republic or at least of the federal government. So excuse me, of the Declaration of Independence. So buy some gold, put some silver in your pocket and know that Philip Patrick and his team on the other side of the phone will give you all the advice you might need on converting a 401k from your previous employer. Perhaps you have an IRA already or into physical IRA in gold, which is a superb hedge against inflation. Text Bannon ban on to 989-898 to take advantage of the free America 250 silver round with qualifying purchases before July 10th. Again, text Bannon Ban on to 989-898. Back now to Gideon Rose, Associate Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. The enemy, as we often like to throw pot shots, Richard Haas, whenever we see him on the television, writing Gideon, just for folks who are joining us now, you've written this incredible article in Foreign affairs entitled Iran as Vietnam, Iran as Vietnam, Ukraine as Korea. So to pick up then where you were saying, where we are in the stages now in the in the Iranian narrative.

[Gideon Rose]

So when I teach my students, I start with what I call Rose's First Law of Foreign Policy. And Rose's first law of foreign policy is that all policies suck, but some suck more than others. And the job of the policymaker is basically trying to find the least sucky problem solution to a problem, given your interests, your capabilities, your objectives, et cetera. Both Vietnam and Iran posed great problems, but unfortunately, the world doesn't always have great solutions to the problems it throws at you. And so in both Vietnam and Iran, the trends were going against us. And the question was, do you accept those trends and the losses that would come with it and the further problems that would flow. Or do you try to intervene in some way to solve the problem or just to make it a little better? And so what happened in Iran was that we went in trying to either solve the problem at its root by getting rid of the regime, or at least deal a setback to it by knocking back their military and knocking back their ability to strike other people in the region. The administration hoped that the Iranian regime would fall. It didn't fall. It seems to have dug itself in. And not only that, but it was able to strike back at its regional neighbors, the energy infrastructure of the Gulf, the shipping through the Strait of Hormuz. And so after about a month into the war, the administration, the Trump administration, found itself in a pickle because it had hurt the Iranians. It had dealt a real blow to their capabilities, but it hadn't knocked the regime out. And the regime had punches that it could still throw. And so each side we could blow off the face of the earth, but they could also destroy the GCC and the oil in the region, which we didn't want to have happen. And so both sides realized this isn't particularly going anywhere good for either of us. We don't like what's happening, but we really don't like what might be coming if it escalates further. So let's go into negotiations and see if we can agree to some kind of standoff compromise deal that essentially cuts things back to where they were sort of before. Neither side wanted a compromise. Neither side wanted to give up hopes of victory, but also neither side wanted to suffer the costs of a really major escalation or ongoing war. And so ever since then, you've been having these negotiations under a sort of ceasefire that's basically held in which you're trying to get each side to come to grips with the unfortunate, unpleasant compromises that will probably have to be made in order for this phase of the conflict between the United States and Iran to end and go on to some more normal situation in which oil can flow out of the Gulf and we can get back to our lives and the gas prices can go. Go down and so forth.

[Steve Bannon]

First, I want to tip my hat to you because you wrote, when we reached out to you to get you on the show, it was on the back of this article that you actually published three weeks ago, around May 20th. It's incredible as we're now discussing the negotiat stage and the headlines of that are breaking every. Every day right now. It is incredible how Much what you've written here has mapped out the present situation talking. Now, you know, I will ask you just to give me two minutes to finish off the narrative when you were talking about the negotiation and extrication stage of Vietnam. But whilst we're here on this subject right now, in the current debate about this ceasefire and there's some speculation that something might even be signed in Geneva this weekend, I don't hold out on that. But, but that's, that's the present, that's the present buzz going on right now. Do you foresee, and this is like a break in the narrative of what you're saying at the moment, but it is a question on my mind. Just give me a yes or no on this. Do you foresee what's going to happen now as an actual move, a movement in the short to medium term towards a permanent ceasefire? Or do you, do you envisage, on the basis of what you're saying,

[Gideon Rose]

a

[Steve Bannon]

compromised 60 day MoU ceasefire which will just peter off indefinitely without actually, as you point out in your analysis, both with the Vietnam situation, also with the Iranian situation, leaving the fundamentals that were originally that sparked off this initiative to far, far further down the road for

[Gideon Rose]

dealing with that would be my guess. When Nixon came into power, he first thought, I'm going to achieve the goals that Johnson wanted, full victory. The north backing off, South Vietnam protected because I've got more balls and I am more threatening and I'm willing to be much tougher than Johnson. And so he threatened, he did the madman theory. He increased bombing and said he's going to increase it more. But ultimately the North Vietnamese called his bluff. And so Nixon and Kissinger were forced to basically recognize that the ultimate goals they wanted weren't really going to be achievable without a huge investment in escalation that there was no domestic support for. And so they shifted to trying to get out of the war. And so essentially what they crafted was a deal in 1973 in which the United States could walk away, in which we could get our prisoners back, in which the US involvement could basically end, but that the underlying conflict between north and South Vietnam would ultimately keep going. And in fact, ultimately the north won a couple of years later. Unfortunately, that's probably what we're going to see now, which is the ultimate fate of the Iranian regime is not going to be decided in the next month or so. The ultimate fate of the Iranian nuclear program is almost certainly not going to be decided in the next month or so, but it is possible that we may well get an agreement that allows the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, some kind of controls on the nuclear program and some kind of end to the immediate round of fighting. And then you end up in effect agreeing to continue conflict, low level conflict, special operations, negotiations, other stuff on these other questions even as this particular war ends for right now.

[Steve Bannon]

One of the things here that you report, and I think Henry Kissinger's both national, National Security

[Gideon Rose]

Advisor and Secretary of

[Steve Bannon]

State at the same time. Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. Seemingly then with all that information and all the experts double hatting as he was at his disposal, he was genuinely amazed. He says, I can't believe that a fourth rate power like North Vietnam doesn't have a breaking point. And of everything that you wrote here in this article, you can almost sort of perceive the same incomprehension, if you will, coming out of the administration at the moment. Of course, that was the sparking point, if I've understood the historical points correctly. That was the, that was the, that was the leap point to then have a serious escalation which needed to work itself through the system, which we haven't really had in the, in the present iteration of the Middle east conflict right now.

[Gideon Rose]

Yeah, because it's very, very costly. Look, everybody, not everybody, but many people start wars thinking it will be relatively easy to use force to achieve political ends. It turns out to be relatively easy to use force, but a lot harder to connect that to the achievement of political ends. And so you often, you're seeing this in Ukraine. You see it in, again, the North Koreans saw it in Korea, we saw it in Vietnam, we're seeing it in Iran. The Israelis found, Hamas found it in October 7th. The Israelis found it when they went back into Gaza. It's often very hard, even if you have a lot of power, to turn that power into a stable, durable political settlement. And ironically, this is one of the things I think that the MAGA movement got sort of correct about Afghanistan and Iraq, which was, we had gone into those conflicts naively thinking that we could achieve results fairly easily and then got stuck. And so thinking carefully about when to engage is often, you know, something that should be done but rarely is.

[Steve Bannon]

I quite agree with you, again with that, with your, with your, with your, that's really the America first faction within maga, which I think that's spot on. I just want to close here in the final 60 seconds of the show. You close the article here, which I was referring to, by suggesting that Even if there's some kind of negotiation, which isn't ideal from the US Perspective, that doesn't mean the end of American power. And you're saying here you close by saying there are no guarantees of another, of another such geopolitical revival because you say that after Vietnam, America just grew from strength to strength. But the creative dynamism of American capitalism and the regenerative, regenerative capacities of American democracy have pulled rabbits out of hats for centuries and are unlikely to stop doing so now. Which I think is a beautiful point to end on. Gideon Rose, very grateful for you to, like Daniel, step into the lion's den. Come on to the war room, talk through your thesis with us today very quickly on social media. Where do people go to keep up with your analysis or perhaps to look more into the book that you wrote, how Wars End.

[Gideon Rose]

I post my stuff on LinkedIn social media. You can just find me on the council's website.

[Steve Bannon]

Look, I've got, I've got, I've got the, the X code is cfr.org stroke expert stroke. Gideon Rose. And you're on LinkedIn as well. Gideon was very grateful. Perhaps I might invite you now. Come back on at a future point. We'll reach out, talk about the, the Korea, the Korean analysis, the parallels along with Ukraine, which we also need to dig into. Gideon Rose, very, very grateful for you to come on the show. Catch up again with you soon, folks. Don't go away. We'll be back in two short minutes after this commercial break. We've got Ryan Bridge from Raise the colors,

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[Steve Bannon]

Welcome back. Well, there's really no better way to kick off the weekend on a late Friday evening than talking to one of the most beloved figures in the English patriotic movement, Ryan Bridge, co founder of Raves the Colors, always busy, always out there fighting for his love of England. Ryan, welcome as always onto the show. You flagged up a number of things that we're going to go through with now and each one of them is more unbelievable than the next. But it just shows, gives an indication of the absolute decline of the uk, the present UK political class, or all iterations of it. It's all much of the same. Let's start off with, because it's so current and we've been covering this quite a lot over the last few days. What's going on in Belfast, One of your colleagues, you were banned. You were trying to go over there. Whilst you were on the Runway, your, your own flight was grounded. You have a colleague over there who's, who's is not even coming back to the UK because she's been told she could be arrested. What's going on over there?

[Ryan Bridge]

Yeah. Hi. Good to see you. So thanks for having us on again. So, yeah, obviously this week's news, we've been the, the B fest, you know, sort of another astonishing numbness to us that we're sadly getting used to week by week, day by day where we hear of an unvetted guy who has crossed borders and you know, he's, he's bludgeoning somebody, he's. They've lost their eye. You know, we all seen it on the news how horrendous it was. He's tried to cut the man's head off. People have took to the streets and you know, people went to Belfast to support the people of Belfast and Northern Ireland. I myself tried to go over there and all of a sudden I was literally on the flight and they said this flight's going absolutely nowhere. Took us all off, made us wait another four or five hours, another six hours and then they said Belfast airport was closed. So it just nulled the wave of people that wanted to support fellow patriots and just fellow human, fellow human beings really in Belfast and trusted what happened. But what really alarmed me and what really struck me.

[Steve Bannon]

So sorry, before you talk now about your colleague, let me just underline that Steve would say don't let's not bury the lead here. Is it your, is it your suspicion that this flight was, was both grounded and the subsequent flight cancelled because of the closure of Belfast Airport because they didn't want you and your fellow English patriots to go over to Northern Ireland to offer your, the moral support of your presence there as Northern Ireland patriots are fighting for their own culture and identity? Is that your thesis?

[Ryan Bridge]

That is my, that is my gut feeling. That is my gut feeling. That is my British English gut feeling that these people knew what was going on and they did not want people coming over. I think they seen it influx in flights and I think they could see that people were booking up all the flights and, and I think that old slippery Starmer has obviously put the nail in that coffin as well. So we couldn't go over there and support. And I was literally branded in the airport for hours upon end. There was other counter flash protests that happened all around the UK on that evening. Little to none, coverage on them as usual. And then my colleagues that were over there in Belfast have been told that if they were live streaming it's inciting violence, inciting riots and they can get arrested and get five years in a prison in Belfast that will be remanded in custody straight away.

[Steve Bannon]

And what's the present situation then of your colleague?

[Ryan Bridge]

So my colleague at the moment is he's in Northern Belfast and he's literally sitting it out and he's you know, feeling that she's going to be under arrest for going to support fellow patriots. The Government are very, very good at silencing the likes of, of the patriot movement. They're very, very good at silencing the likes of people that are reporting on these four platforms like yourself and, and they don't like it and they don't like us being out there and they don't like us getting the truth out and that's what we're there to do.

[Steve Bannon]

Of course they don't like it because they know that the situation is slipping out of their hands. Tell me, because we've got a couple of things to go through, not very much time to do it. Tell me about that. The asylum officers being told that they can't wear English flags because that might. Yeah, and I quote, intimidate.

[Ryan Bridge]

Move on to that point. Sorry, before we move on to that point, I just want to reiterate that the morning of that, of what's happened, the next morning after Belfast, these guys literally, our government, I mean literally have spoke to the French, the French government have put armed military on the beach, commandos with rifles, and we haven't had any crossings. So it just proves that when the people did take to the street like they did this week, we've had no crossings this week of illegal invaders coming into our country on the small boats.

[Steve Bannon]

It was all designed from the very first moment and that all the phony opposition was only ever performative. That fact, which I wasn't aware of, just underlines it entirely. They could have stopped this at any single moment had the political will have been there. Tell me quickly about the asylum. See the asylum officers not being allowed.

[Ryan Bridge]

So we call them detention centers. They're not, they're five star hotels with three meals a day. And in those, in those venues we've got, we've got obviously the security guards. Now the asylum and the human rights for these people have said that the illegal invaders come in, feel threatened by the guards that have, are wearing just an emblem or you know, the poppy for Armistice Day or the emblem of Great Britain. And if they're wearing that on their uniforms, they can't wear the badge of their country, a pin badge. So that's now been banned from our country. It's, it's getting that woke and left and out of control. It's unbelievable. Ben?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, yeah, as I say, they are running scared now and I've seen a level of anger coming out of Northern Ireland which I never thought I would see in my lifetime. People are at breaking point. That, that is absolutely clear. So the detention centers or the five star hotels, that's called let's be honest, as you say, staff there, the officers there, aren't allowed to wear England badges because that might, and I have to quote this, intimidate the invaders who are staying at taxpayers expense there. On the same theme as that, as we come up now to the World cup, certain town councils in England have actually banned the hoisting of the England flag during the World Cup. Right. Astonishing.

[Ryan Bridge]

It's, it's, it's just, it's a full ban. Starmer's trying to say now that you can get two and a half thousand pound fine for sticking an article on a lamppost. Yet when Starmer's Labour council go out there doing their campaigning, they are flooding areas and villages in the UK with banners of vote labor, you know, vote Conservative, for example. Those are on the, on the lamppost. But yet you fly the flag of your country in your country and they don't like it here. They really don't like it. It's a, it's, it's such a shame and I'm absolutely devastated at the moment the way the country's going.

[Steve Bannon]

Has there been any popular opposition to the prohibiting of flying the English flag, the Union Jack as we call it, either the Union Jack or the, the Union flag or the English flag? Has there been any popular opposition at this moment in time?

[Ryan Bridge]

It's the flag of St. George, which is the white background with the red cross and that is literally. We've just had St. George's Day which you guys covered for us and a lot of the St. George's Day flags are still up and it looks absolutely beautiful in some parts of, of the country. And, and we're, you know, normal pubs, beer gardens, event centers are sort of keeping things low key as opposed. I mean, this is a World cup, this is, you know, it's the home of football, our country, we invented the game. We've only ever hosted it once in 66. So the year that we, we won the thing, you know, Mexico's had it in their country three times now and I just think that we are getting that far distance away from our identity of, of Great Britain, of England, that it's, it's just getting out of control. We're getting numb to so many things on the way home tonight. The motorways which we've got here, three lane motorways, there was some guys on there, they look like they're from safe Sudan or Eritrea and they're literally riding down there on push bikes, online bikes that, you know, when you put the, you put the things in on the line bites. They're riding down the middle of the highway on them. It's just like crazy. These people are from a third world and they're bringing their traits into our country and our government are pondering to this. Hence the detention centers. Can't wear a badge of their own country to let these people know this country now.

[Steve Bannon]

It's just crazy import the third world become the third world. So I'll tell you, I'll just list out some of these, these councils that have prohibited the flying of English flags, the flag of St. George. As you point out, local authorities such as Bristol, Wiltshire, South Gloucestershire

[Ryan Bridge]

have all

[Steve Bannon]

issued notices on, on the grounds of, and I quote, these aren't scared quotes, these are actual quotes. Community cohesion and health and health and safety, which just goes to indicate the, the Alice in Wonderland, absolute insanity in the UK right now. Ryan Bridge, stay with us for a moment or two as I give a shout out to the sponsor of the second half of this show. And then tell us what you're going to be doing this weekend because it's absolutely fascinating, folks. America's Health Share is the organization now that is working on Freedom for Health and you can find their services if you go to freedomforhealth.org Bannon where you will get your first month free. If you're one of the millions of frustrated people frustrated by the traditional health insurance industry, Big Health, then discover why tens of thousands of Americans are joining America's Health Share. It's an organization that reduces your health care costs by an average of 60% and it is accepted everywhere for as low as $68 per month. An individual can get great health coverage minus the complications and of course price gouging. So once again go to and make a Note of this. Freedomforhealth.org 4 or 4 stroke Bannon B A double N O N where you will get your first month free, absolutely free. And then you pay only $68 per month. Okay, back now to Ryan Bridge. You are involved, sir, in the great coordination of popular anger uprising and you're going to the heart of the beast in Brighton down on the south coast, a place in the UK where you haven't yet been banned from entering. And there's like, and there is 20 local organizations or being, I say local, being shipped in of so called anti fascists who are agitating to come in exactly the same place to protest. It would seem to me if the local authorities allowed this to take place. They are deliberately provoking, I think they're deliberately allowing for the incitement of violence there that they can say, look, look at these guys. We need to suppress them. Tell me what's going on this weekend at Brighton. Folks listening in the uk, how do they come down and show up and give you support? What's going on, please?

[Ryan Bridge]

I mean, this is the fun part now because we are really looking forward to a carnival, peaceful atmosphere. Nobody from the, from the right side of, of this country has ever gone through Brighton. They call it lefty central. They call it the home of Antifa, Antifa headquarters and all the rest of those names. But we're not interested in those types of people. We're interested in, in our flag, our country, our togetherness. And we want to show the people of Brighton that, that do that do live under the rules of, you know, our country and our flag, that we are there for them and that we believe in borders and we don't believe that there should be open borders and people from the third World walking around our country. So we are going to go there, Brighton, we're going to meet at 12 o' clock at the station. My very good friends there, Liam and Shana, they have put this on there from the Southeast Patriots and they've invited us from Raise the colors down there. There's some great speakers going to be down there. We're going to have Siobhan White there, who is the mother of Rest in peace Rhiannon White, who died to the hands of a Sudanese migrant when he bludgeoned her 23 times with a screwdriver. And she's going to be talking about her, her journey with her daughter and the campaign to keep her daughter's memory alive due to Starmer. And our government will not speak to her at all. So we're going to be going down there, we're going to be supporting her and the people of Brighton and we're going to be marching through Brighton. We're going to be waving our flags. We're having a great day and a great time. I welcome everybody to come in the UK and I just think we're going to have a real good thing. But the problem we've got is now these left are counter protesting against what we're doing. And this isn't race, religion, color, creed, it doesn't matter. This is about people that should be in our country and shouldn't be in our country. And you can see there, Brighton Hove News are trying to bring people from all fractions of the left wing to come down and counter protest against us. And we've been reading the comments you know, they want to fill water balloons with urine and paint seeds and throw them at us and this, that and the other. We're not going to be getting involved in any of that. We're just going to be walking through loud and proud, raising the colors and we're going to have a great time tomorrow and I'm really looking forward to it. Hopefully I won't get arrested. Hopefully I will be able to see this one out, you know, because they seem to just take me off the streets before I do anything.

[Steve Bannon]

Ryan, I have to say, if you do get arrested, make sure you've got one of your colleagues videoing it with their phone.

[Ryan Bridge]

You'll be getting exclusive footage.

[Steve Bannon]

You know, give me some material for next Friday. The more the more out, right? Actually, I hope you don't take this the wrong way. I actually hope you get arrested. That's just great. That's just what we.

[Ryan Bridge]

But I'm sure we can, I'm sure somebody will. So if they do, that would be by me, behind me and we'll get that sorted. But I just want to see what these looney left lefties are going to be doing to us because for them to come out like this, I mean this is the height of summer here in, in the uk. It's lovely and tomorrow everybody's really this one. So we're going to go out there for the people of Brighton and jokes aside, there's, there's a 30 year old vulnerable woman that was led down to the beach by three men that came over unvetted on a small boat dinghy and, and they raped and done, done what they had to do with this woman. And we're going to go down there, support people like that to say that these people from the third world shouldn't be in there and you shouldn't be scared to go on the beach at Brighton. And that's what we're doing. So we're going to go down there tomorrow, we're gonna have a great time and we'll see what it brings and hopefully I'm sure we'll get some footage for next Friday.

[Steve Bannon]

Make sure you do. Make sure you do. There's you mentioned the comments in these articles and I wanted to come back to having read the articles and the comments myself earlier on this afternoon. I tell you what Ryan, what surprised me is the degree there were some left wing agitators there for sure doing the trolling. But there were a lot of people coming out defending you and the principles of your, of your presence in Brighton, saying that you should absolutely be free to come and protest because a lot

[Ryan Bridge]

of people, ordinary people, we know this is paid. We know these people are busting and shipped in by the left. We know how it goes all across Europe and the us and we know that. We know that these people, you know, congress together and we'll go to different parts of the UK where we just want to show a bit of unity and love and show that we're all together under the banner of our country, you know, And Starmer's made the division with UK and the us, which is strongly against what anybody from the right side of these countries about. And we just want to have a great day. But these people will come tomorrow, they will antagonize, they will have their masks on, they will have their. Their covers and they will be, you know, shouting and screaming and bawling and doing what they do. And hopefully they don't attack us like they do. But we've got to remember that. I think that these are the 10 of the UK. It just seems they look a lot bigger.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah. And as I was saying, the comments are showing an un unprecedented level of popular support for what you're doing in mainstream press. That shows how engaged people are. So once again, very quickly, got 60 seconds. Where do people go on social media to find out about your presence in Brighton tomorrow? What time is it? What time do they need to get the trains to roll in and give you support?

[Ryan Bridge]

Yeah, get the trains to roll in. If you can get to the station, just be very, very careful. Careful, because these counter protests we've heard by from the police, it's going to be very, very lively. We're going to be at Brighton train station at 12 o' clock and we're going to be looked to leaving Brighton at. We're going to be leaving Brighton train station for 12:45. We're going to be marching and then we've got some speakers on after that. We're going to be having a great day.

[Steve Bannon]

And on social. 10 seconds, social media. Pete, where do people go to find out?

[Ryan Bridge]

Raisethecolours.org UK you can get your [e-mail]

[Steve Bannon]

I'm gonna go and get my credit card out and make a book, please. I want to see you jumping Ryan Bridge. God bless you. All the best. Hope it goes well. Be in touch with what happens. That's it. Steve back in the chair. 10am tomorrow. My thanks to Rob at Real America's Voice and Victoria Santi, Franco, the people putting this show together. God bless for now.

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