WarRoom Battleground EP 1047: WarRoom discusses Europe’s centre-right implosion with centre-right’s former parliamentary leader

Summary

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Bannon's War Room: Battleground EP 1047

Theme: Europe’s Centre-Right Implosion and the Rise of Patriots
Host: Ben Harnwell (WarRoom.org)
Guest: Luca Volontè (Former Italian MP & Christian Democrat Leader)
Date: July 14, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Ben Harnwell sits down with Luca Volontè, a seasoned Italian politician and former leader of the European People's Party in the Council of Europe, to dissect the current upheaval within Europe's center-right political landscape. They analyze the convergence between the establishment left and center-right, the strategic targeting of nationalist "patriot" movements, the controversial situation in Hungary, and the shifting stance on immigration in Scandinavia. The episode provides inside perspectives on why traditional center-right parties are losing relevance, the role of Christian values in modern European politics, and the emerging figures who may redefine the right in Italy and beyond.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. EU Parliamentary Left Targets Patriot Groups’ Funding

• [00:54] Ben Harnwell opens with praise for Volontè’s work in the pro-life, pro-family movement and introduces the main story: 180 left-wing MEPs pushing a resolution to cut funding for nationalist and patriot groups in the European Parliament.
• Structure of EU Funding: Harnwell explains, “On the one hand you have the... group in Parliament, and then you have an identical party which is legally separate... it’s the party that receives the funding... the left is trying to... decapitate the funding for these patriotic members of the European Parliament.” ([01:57])
• Volontè’s Analysis: Points out the strategic drive to cut off nationalist and sovereignist parties by accusing them of violating “European values” (Article 2, EU Treaty).

  “If this authority will confirm that this political party... could violate this Article two, the financial support will be broken.” ([05:56] - Volontè)

2. Who is Driving the Crackdown? The Ursula Coalition

• [06:44] Harnwell highlights the formation of the "Ursula coalition" (center-right, socialists, greens, liberals) inspired by Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, herself a Christian Democrat.
• Rebranding of the Left:

  “These people are presenting themselves as fundamentally environmentalists. But that is simply a veneer, really. It’s green on the outside, red on the inside.” ([06:50] - Harnwell)

3. NATO-Skepticism and Nationalist Movements

• NATO Divide: Harnwell analyzes the split between the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR), led by Giorgia Meloni, and other more NATO-skeptical nationalist parties (Orban’s “European Patriots” and “Europe of Sovereign Nations”).
• Volontè on European Neutrality:

  “The interest of the United States now is more focused on itself... for Italy, it could be very interesting to develop... a national army and also the European army, not against the United States proposal, but... more protagonists in the NATO.” ([13:26] - Volontè)

4. Shifting Values: From Center-Right to Patriots

• Personal Political Journey: Volontè explains why he now finds patriot parties closer to his Catholic, pro-life, and pro-family principles than the traditional Christian Democrat parties.

  “In the last 20 years, the App Party lost their values, especially the Christian values... who could represent these values at European level? Surely patriots, parties, they are very clear.” ([19:48] - Volontè)

• Conditional Support for New Right Leaders: Volontè is considering support for General Roberto Vernacci, an emerging nationalist rival to Meloni, stating:

  “He should not only affirm these values, but also presenting people that could be very credible to represent these values in the next political campaign.” ([23:32] - Volontè)

5. The Hungary Situation: Political Bias in EU Enforcement?

• [31:50] Harnwell recounts EU's extraordinary measures to withhold funds from Viktor Orban’s government while quickly releasing them to new PM Peter Magyar, despite Magyar's overt politicization of Hungary's judiciary.

  “The day, literally the day 24 hours after Viktor Orban lost... the EU started saying we’ll release these billions of dollars...”

• Volontè’s Verdict:

  “This new candidate... totally create ex noble by the European establishment... This is very clear because... it's an amendment that could change the constitution to oblige the President of Republic and the President of the Constitutional Court to be a substitute by some major friend. I’m very shocked... this is a... white coup d'etat.” ([35:36], [40:08] - Volontè)

6. Immigration: Scandinavia's Unexpected Right Turn

• [44:47] Both discuss the political shock of Sweden and Denmark, led by socialists or center-right, embracing "re-migration" (deportation of illegal/undesirable migrants) policies, while Italy's supposed "far right" remains stalled.

  “Two different governments... but they have the same problem, invasion by Muslims... so these two different governments are fighting for defending their liberal tradition and their civil society...” ([44:47] - Volontè)

• Contrast with Southern Europe:

  “What is very stupid, in my opinion, is this prejudice in Italy to discuss about the reimmigration new norms... Popular proposal of law has reached more than 132,000 signatures.” ([48:08] - Volontè)

7. On Giorgia Meloni’s Caution

• [49:43] Harnwell presses on Meloni’s reluctance to act on deportations despite media claims of her being far-right.

  “She boasts about having spent 800 million euros on building these processing centers in Albania. But in five years only 111 people have been sent to Albania... Why is that?”

• Volontè's Answer:

  “Some legal action... were totally blocked by this political left judicial power in Italy... Catholic Church in Italy is in favor of Socialist party... totally against Christian Democrats.” ([50:54] - Volontè)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the "Green" Movement:

  “It’s green on the outside, red on the inside. These people are Communists... They just changed the branding and carried on their political careers.” ([06:50] - Harnwell)

• On Principle vs. Power:

  “Naked push for power masquerading itself under the pretext of political principle.” ([41:00] - Harnwell, on EU treatment of Orban vs. Magyar)

• On Generational Political Shift:

  “You haven’t actually changed your political values... What you’ve seen is... other parties have moved. Perhaps your own party, historic party, has moved. But you’re still fighting for those same values...” ([22:52] - Harnwell summarizing Volontè)

• On Italian Nationalist Movement:

  “If the call came in, I’m here to serve my country and anyone call me for having suggestion or opinions.” ([24:26] - Volontè)

• On Re-migration in Scandinavia:

  “These are... the archetype of the liberal progressive Scandinavian mentality. Not anymore. This is a sign of how fast and how far things are changing.” ([44:30] - Harnwell)

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Important Timestamps

• [00:54] Introduction of Luca Volontè and setup of the EU Parliament funding crackdown
• [04:46] Volontè unpacks the left’s strategy and implications of the funding threat
• [06:44] Discussion of coalition politics and the “green is red” thesis
• [11:42] Analysis of nationalist parties’ NATO skepticism and implications for EU security
• [19:48] Volontè describes his separation from the traditional Christian Democrat family
• [31:50] Dissection of Hungary’s political shift and EU’s double standards
• [40:00] Volontè labels the developments in Hungary a “coup d'etat”
• [44:47] Shift in Scandinavian immigration policy and continental contrasts
• [49:43] Critique of Giorgia Meloni’s hesitancy and the barriers she faces

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Where to Find Luca Volontè

• X/Twitter: @VolonteLuca
• Facebook: Search for "Volontè Luca"

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Concluding Insight

This episode provides a robust insider’s analysis of why Europe’s traditional center-right appears to be imploding, how “patriot” and nationalist movements are stepping into the values vacuum, and why political establishments seem willing to bend rules for power. It further offers a granular look at the shifting ground on migration in once-liberal Scandinavia, and the internal Italian debate about the future of the right and Christian values in politics.

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Transcript

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Good evening. Ben Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. Well, I've got a very special guest to joining us this evening, someone I've been trying to get on the show for a very, very long time, an old friend of mine, someone I've known for around 20 years, one of the youngest in the past members of Parliament. In the Italian Parliament where he was the leader of the Christian Democrat group, then he was the leader, the majority leader in the Council of Europe Parliamentary assembly, leader of the Center Right, the Christian Democrats, the the European People's Party that long standing viewers of the show will have heard me talk about. Luca Volonte. Luca, thank you very much for, for joining this evening. We have some great developments good going on across continental Europe that I want to pick your brains about. I know that you are an expert on some of these things. I'll just say to our, to our audience, you were in the years that I've known you, when you were in first in the Italian Parliament and then leading the largest group in fact in the European, the Council of Europe Parliamentary assembly, you were really one of the global leaders of the pro life and pro traditional family movement. You achieved a lot of good in those roles and attracted a lot of enemies as well. And of course, attracting enemies is a sign of, of success, I think. Let's go on and discuss the first article you've written in fact an article on this yourself for the, for the, for the new the new Daily Compass, La Nuova Bustola Quittediana, as it's known in Italian, but it is a website that publishes both in Italian and, and in English. And you were, you've homed in on this development that 180 left wing members of the European Parliament have gotten together and are forcing a resolution. They've written to The European Commission, they've written to the Council of Europe and they are presenting a commission that will. Presenting a resolution that if successful, will result in the suppression of the European of sovereign nations group. And by effect as well, probably that their real goal here, which is the European Patriots, which is Viktor Orban's group, and they're doing this in a very strategic way. They're trying to attack the funding of these parliamentary groups. I'll just say 10 seconds here and then I'll hand over the microphone to you. But the way the European Parliament works, and there's huge funding, taxpayers money obviously available to the large political groups, but on the one hand you have the. The entity which is the group in Parliament, and then you have an identical party which is legally separate from the group, but it's the party that receives the funding, it's the party that's able to do the financing of events back in the home countries and what have you, that organizes the publicity. And what the left is trying to do is trying to go in and decapitate the funding for these patriotic members of the European Parliament. Luca, the floor is yours. Tell us what's going on. Start off and tell me, do you think that the left will have a realistic chance of success with what it's doing with this resolution here?

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Unfortunately, the resolution was approved just two days ago, 7th of July, the same majority of so called Ursula coalition, inspired by Ursula von der Leyen, Popular Party, Socialist Party, Left and Greens, so called Greens, these sort of melons or cucumber and Liberals, they vote all together to approve this resolution that, as you explained very well, that could open an investigation, institutional investigation, on one very crucial question. Asn, sovereignist and nationalistic party and foundation is violating the European values according to Article 2 of European Treaty. If this authority will confirm that this political party and all the parties inside the political group could violate this Article two, the financial support will be broken. But we have different questions. The first question is why European Union is moving strongly against this patriotic nationalist and sovereignists, and then probably the patriotic parties. And the second question is how we can interpret political, how the article European Treaty is interpreted in favor of this liberal socialist ideology.

[B]

All right, you said. Let me break down what you said then. You used an Italian expression. You said that these referring to the Greens, you said that they were kokomoro, which is a watermelon. Right? And the sense of that is that it's red on the inside, green on the outside. So these people are presenting themselves as. No, no, no. But these are people who are presenting themselves as fundamentally environmentalists. But that is simply a veneer, really. It's green on the outside, red on the inside. These people are Communists. Now, when I worked some 20 or so years ago in the European, those guys in the European Parliament who were leading the Green movement were literally career former communists just 20 years later. So the Berlin Wall fell. You had all of these sort of hard left communist politicians. They didn't retire from public life. They didn't say, we're so sorry we were wrong about the Soviet Union. They just changed the branding and carried on their political careers. I saw this 20 years ago. So it's green on the outside, red on the inside. And that's important to understand how European politics works. The first point, Luca, the second point is that you said that this was the factions who are pushing this are the Ursula von der Leyen coalition. Now, we all know Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, big proponents in the European Union of forcing the war, of bringing the European Union behind the war in Ukraine. This is interesting because Ursula von der Leyen is a career Christian Democrat. Luka, this is your traditional political faction. She was a career Christian Democrat defense minister under Angela Merkel. So she came into power. This is her second mandate, I think unprecedented to have a second mandate for the president of the Commission, but pushed by the European People's Party. Again, that's your political faction in Brussels. So you have this interesting phenomenon. You have this coalition between the Greens, which are basically former Communists, and the Christian Democrats that are supposedly on paper, center rights, but not particularly ganging together with. Let me come on to this. You've got these two parties ganging together against the Patriots, right? Now, the segment here that I do want to ask you about, the group that's missing in all of this, is the Conservatives and Reformists group, the ECR group, which is Georgia Maloney's group. They don't seem to be involved in this, but the other Patriots do. And I'd like to draw the dots here, because what unites the European patriots, which is Viktor Orban's faction in the European Parliament, which is, I think, the third largest group. And Europe are sovereign nations, which are to the. Probably to the right, I think it's fair to say, of the Orban faction, is that they are both extremely NATO skeptic. And that's the difference between the other big nationalist faction, which is the ECR group, the European Conservatives and Reformists, which is Meloni's faction. She was the president of that group up until recently because that is not NATO centric. So I wonder here, Luke, and I'd like. Let me get your take on this before we move on to the next story. Do you think that that is a dynamic of what's going on here? Because increasingly the nationalist movements in Europe are trying to view NATO with a certain degree of skepticism because what they want to do is withdraw from unnecessary military adventures and have their countries promote effectively a policy of neutrality where necessary. If no national interests are being invoked here, then like Italy, for example, to promote a policy of neutrality, you know, and we can, we can cite obviously the ever cited presence of Russia here. Let's. Let me ask you that before we move on. Do you think that that is an establishment maneuver here? The hard left, the center right, presumably Meloni's faction is going to be neutral in this, but specifically targeting the funding of the NATO skeptic political movements in Europe. And what does that mean?

[C]

If that yes, for sure is one possible evolution, if you understand that. An example, the new prime minister of Slovenia, Slovakia, Slovenia, sorry and is Christian Democrat and the liberal prime minister, leader of Anno Babis and the socialist prime minister of Slovakia. There are three, four generally they were in three European different parties. But all these three center European leaders are very skeptical about the enlargement of European Union and NATO toward Ukrainia. I think that the position that emerged during the discussion in the recent NATO debate, especially improved by the President Trump proposals and also angry proposal, is very right because it's interest of European Union having a more equilibrium, more balanced position, very strong minded with the United States, but very more and more neutral considering the geographical and geopolitical position of Europe in respect of Russia on one side and Turkey on the other side. Especially for us, for Italy, it could be very interesting to develop the national army and also the European army, not against the United States proposal, but to having more protagonists in the NATO also because considering the situation, President Trump has a lot of reason to say what had affirmed in the last meeting. And the interest of the United States now is more focused on itself as nation, but also South America and Central America as natural geographical region where USA should determine also the future of many, many countries.

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[C]

But that's very clear. In the last 20 years, the App Party lost their values, especially the Christian values and the coherence with the Christian values. They are still in the app value manifest because I contribute 20 years ago to amend the previous paper. But they are not living the same values. And so who could represent these values at European level? Surely patriots, parties, they are very clear. They pay their price to Bitcoin. And surely some people in the ASN Party that could represent values that were teach by us, to us by John Paul II, Benedict 16 and many others.

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Let me, let me, let me just make sure I've got what you're saying right here. So you're suggesting that the Catholic pro life, pro traditional family values that motivated you in politics, that you were fighting for as a Christian Democrat, you now

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the best possibility of fighting for those values would say perhaps be in the nationalist movements in Italy led by General Vernacci. Is that what you're saying? That you see someone like Vernacci as the natural heir of those values?

[C]

Vernacci had this chance to represent these values in Italy should show that people around him are coherent with these values. For sure. After the ABP party decided to vote in favor of the right of abortion, an example two years ago in the European Parliament. Joined with Socialists and Liberals and left and Greens and many other resolutions very woke very in favor of LGTB values against the right of family and example, the right of education, the right of freedom of religion. These decisions were very clear. I'm still in the same position, but now my position and the position, traditional position of Christian Democrats are better represented by surely ASN in European Parliament and patriots in particular. I think that Banachi has a good chance, but should show that merit is good chance, not only say, affirming these values, but also having people that could coherently represent these values in the next political campaign.

[B]

So you just said that you haven't actually changed your political values or your political philosophy. That's, that's exactly as it was. What you've seen is that the, that the outer political spectrum has moved. It's. The other parties have moved. Perhaps your own party, historic party, has moved. But you're still fighting for those same values that you were fighting for 30 years ago. And it's not an endorsement. You're not yet giving an endorsement to General Vernacci. You're saying that he has a chance, a very good chance to, to pick up the mantle and fight for those values, but you're waiting to see whether he actually does so.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I think that he could have the best chance to represent these values in the next political parliament. In the next parliament. But as I just told a few minutes ago, he should not only affirming these values, but also a presenting person that could be very credible to represent these values in the Parliament.

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Okay, so he needs, he needs to be presenting candidates of credibility and coherence in order to. And let me ask you, would you, if the call came in, would you be. Would you be willing to serve and help take forward his new national future political movement? If the call came in, I'm here.

[C]

I'm here to serve my country and anyone call me for having suggestion or opinions. I'm here to help whoever wants improve these values and represent these values in the political life.

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I just want to say, right. The war room audience, our largely American audience, we have an international audience, but it's largely the lion's share of our audience is in America. I have mentioned General Vanacci a bit on air. Steve has mentioned him. That will probably, however, be a new name for our American audience that they won't necessarily be familiar with. They will have heard of Matteo Salvini. They will have heard of Georgia Maloney. Those would probably be the two names that have the highest residence of Italian politicians in America. They won't have heard necessarily of. Of General Vernacci. What one of the reasons I wanted you to come on today, Luca, was just to say a bit about this because this is a name that people should be listening out for because if the tell if Italian politics goes in the way that many people are predicting that his political movement, as I say, he's to the right of, of Giorgia Meloni. And the press think that Giorgia Meloni is far right incorrectly. But the importance of his presence on the Italian political scene is up until now, Giorgia Meloni, who in September will be Italy's longest serving post war prime minister. She has never had anybody on her right flank to challenge her. And so basically the day after she became prime minister she moved to the center. Now she has someone who's a former military general, a paratrooper commander, very credible figure and the Italian military's beloved in Italy. This could be a name. General Roberto V. Could be a name to fundamentally transform a rather complacent Italian political structure. We'll be back with Luca Volonte in two minutes after this quick short break.

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Welcome back. For folks just joining us, I'm here in depth analysis with Luca Volonte. Thirty years ago, one of the youngest Italian politicians elected to parliament was the leader of the Christian Democrats and then. The parliamentary majority for the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly. Luca, let's talk now about, about this, this Hungarian story. Everyone that was following the European Union maneuvers over the last couple of years will have noticed how they were politically manipulating the Viktor Orban government by withholding funds, billions of dollars. They were hold withholding and these funds basically came from taxes that were being raised the member state level. Just to, to zoom out for 30 seconds. The European Union has no, even though it's a sovereign authority for all of its 27 member states and its laws, but it doesn't have any direct tax raising authority. That's the point here. It relies on its financing through taxes raised at the member states level. Okay. And what they were doing to the Hungarian government is that they were withholding the funds that they were supposed to give back billions of dollars for spending in, in, in Hungary. That's, that's basically how it works. You don't need to go into it, but that's how it works. And they were using that as leverage to, to bully the government because the government was having a very, was resisting, was using his veto powers to block to some extent support to Ukraine and to hold the line on the anti immigration front. That's what they were doing. Right. And one of the arguments that Ursula von der Leyen was using in that maneuver was she was saying that the government was, was politicizing the judiciary in Hungary. That was the, that was the reason. Now the day, literally the day 24 hours after Viktor Orban lost the parliamentary election two months ago, Peter Magyar was then catapulted in from being a relatively unknown. The European Union started saying we'll release these billions of dollars. Now Luca, you are on top of this story. I want to know what's going on. How is this possible because what Peter Magyar, the new Hungarian Prime Minister, has said he's going to do is he's going to politicize the judiciary to do two things. One, to remove the President of the Republic of the Hungarian public from office. And the second thing, he's going to try to get out the President of the Constitutional Court of Hungary. That is a very clear and overt politicization of the Hungarian judiciary. He's also going to try and get trying to reduce the retirement age of judges so he can get a whole load of them off the bench. Luca, you. You're watching this. I'm watching this. Ursula von der Leyen hasn't done anything. She hasn't blocked Hungary's funding, she hasn't withheld the billions. What's going on here? How can the European Union have any credibility at this point? Is it not pretty overt that its previous political positions were deliberately trying to undermine the Orban government rather than positions of any political principle?

[C]

I totally agree with you. Only to resume the story of European Union against Hungary. The story was started in 2010 when Orban decided to reform completely the constitution. And the procedure was long as three years. Urban government was obliged to discuss with the European Union, with Venice Commission and Council of Europe. In the end was approved the new totally new constitution because the previous one was the socialist constitution. Polemics and stop then the second time. The second half of the battle is what we have seen in the last few months. And as you told us a few minutes ago, the same procedure used by the European Union against the conservative party government in Poland is used against Orban withhold 90 and more billion of financial support to Hungary. Also post Covid financial support and support. This new candidate is what I call him as Manchurian candidate. Totally invented, totally new, totally create ex noble by the European establishment. This new government of Peter Marja has 2 3rd majority and he would like to transform with some amendment the constitution violating explicitly the rule of law and democratic state. This is very clear because it's not a reform of constitution. It's an amendment that could change the constitution to oblige the President of Republic and the President of the Constitutional Court to be a substitute by some major friend. I'm very shocked that European Union is quite silent and totally silent about this coup d', etat. White coup d' etat we call because no army was used until now. And it's totally silent and totally supporting this explicitly violation of rule of law and simple rule of democracy that were perpetrated by Peter on machad and I'm saying that the situation is so dangerous that the complicity of European Union is so clear that. That just today, 9th of July Euronews website very close to a European affair in Brussels has quoted that tomorrow, tomorrow morning the European Union financial minister has decided to deliver 10 billion of financial support of post Covid budget to Hungary. Just few days after Peter Magyar has decided to present this new amendment to violate explicitly and clearly rule of law in his country. That's the clear sign that I'm not against Christian values or APP members, but I'm wholly observing the situation. And also for as we told just a few minutes ago, the Christian Democratic tradition, the respect or rule of law is a basic principle. And now we have the President of European Commission on one side, Ursula von der Leyen and yesterday was also the president of ADP party, Manfred Beder that explicitly support this violation of rule of law and democracy. Basic rules in Anglo.

[B]

I just want to check that I heard you correctly. You called this a coup d', etat, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You called it a coup. A coup d'. Etat. Yeah, a coup d'. Etat. A coup d'. Etat.

[C]

It's push to change your government. You know,

[B]

I just wanted to check that. I just wanted to check that. That that's exactly what you called it. I think you're right and I think it is shocking that the EU has at the as of the present moment chosen not to intervene because it just absolutely illustrates the hypocrisy of the the EU's values that it claims to be defending. It's the same values that the 180 left wing MEPs that we were talking about in the beginning of the show. The violation of those never defined values. But it was the violation of those values that led these 180 left wing MEP to produce this resolution to suspend the financing of of the patriots in the European Parliament. So we get to see what really is just basically a naked push for power masquerading itself under the pretext of political principle. All right, Lucas, stay with me. We're going to come back to you as we go approach the final analysis here of the show. First up however, another shout out once again to our friends at Birch Gold. I mentioned the special 1oz silver round, special commemorative special edition 1oz round for qualifying purchases of $10,000. Text Bannon to B A N O N B A N o n to 989-898 and speak to Philip Patrick and his team once again. Bannon to 989-898 and also I give A quick shout out to the America's health share freedomforhealth.org Bannon check them out and discover why tens of thousands of patriots are are joining America's Health Share. They're particularly strong on offering coverage that other providers will deny because citing out of network limitations in addition to providing more, they're charging less because their average costs are 60% of what you'd find elsewhere. So they make healthcare affordable, transparent and they're also aligned with your values. Free from surprise bills and sky watching skyrocketing premiums for as low as $68 per month, an individual can get great health care coverage minus the complications and price gouging from the the larger bullying health care providers. Go once again to freedomforhealth.org Bannon to learn more. It's time to make America healthy. Join the community of patriots taking back control of their health care. That's Freedom for Health Bannon promo code Bannon all right Luca, we've got chance now to hit one more story. Let's, let's do the one here about Sweden and Denmark, two of the most archetypical scandal Scandinavian countries that are now opened themselves to the re migration politics of sending back the invaders people who shouldn't be here in continental Europe. And Luca, look, you've been in politics quite some time. I've been an observer in politics for a couple of decades. If you just said to me 20 or 30 years ago that Sweden and Denmark of all countries, right. Would be leading the way on this, I wouldn't have believed you. These are, they are almost the archetype of the liberal progressive Scandinavian mentality. Not anymore. This is a sign of how fast and how far things are changing. Tell me what's going on over there in our Scandinavian neighbors and tell me why all we're hearing here in Italy when there is supposedly a far right government is silence on this issue.

[C]

Yeah, that's exactly what I think when I have already read in the last few years, especially in the last few months, the decision taken by the government in Sweden where it could be clear now the prime minister is a socialist, very strong socialist supported by other party in the parliament. And in Sweden we have a conservative and liberal government supported by the nationalists or sovereign. So the government are totally different politically speaking, but they have the same problem, invasion by Muslims. Invasion by Muslims that have not any respect about not only Christian values or Christian rule of these two countries, but also liberal. That should be interesting for anyone in Europe. So these two different governments are fighting for defending their liberal tradition and their civil society or common good rules in their countries. Both are deciding to include introduce step by step what we call re immigration laws. Some laws that give the government the power to expel illegal immigrants when they are found guilty or they are not accepted simple civil law. Or in Sweden, this proposal is to expel people that are not good conduct under decision of the administrative powers. And that could be very, very interesting that Prime Minister, Danish Prime Minister Bette Frederick is since the beginning of the discussion of new pact of immigration on the table of conservative and patriot to discuss these new decisions. And what is very shocking, that on the other side, another socialist in this case the socialist Pedro Sanchez, colleague in the same party of Fredericksen is legalized more than 1,000,000.5 thousand illegal immigrants to change the electoral basis and hoping to win the next election. There are two different way proposed by European countries. Scandinavian and some patriots. The first one, surely Orban that has opposed his government since last 10 years for the migration invasion. And on the other side, we have the classical liberal socialist Macron and Sanchez way to give the illegal immigration to change the civil society in their countries and the barriers inside their countries. What is and Finnish. What is very stupid, in my opinion, is this prejudice in Italy to discuss about the reimmigration new norms. The proposal of law. Popular proposal of law has reached more than 132,000 signatures. And now we will see what happens. Some parties in the government also are studying this proposal for proposing by themselves a new amendment. We will see. We should not follow the socialist and liberal mass media in Italy that describe re immigration as a barbaric solution. It's a very rational solution. If an illegally immigrant want to integrate himself in a new society, refusing values, Christian values in this case, or simple democratic rules, we should ask him, with or without a crime, to come back to his proper country.

[B]

Look, we've got about 60 seconds left. But it strikes me how is it we have a socialist prime minister in Scandinavia moving towards deportation re migration. But we have a supposedly far right prime minister in Italy that is hesitant. She. She boasts about having spent 800 million euros on building these processing centers in Albania. But in five years only 111 people have been sent to Albania, Right? So lots of press releases, lots of performative press releases, little action. Just give me 30 seconds, Luca, will you? 30 seconds. Why is that? I mean, I think she's afraid. I think Giorgio Maloney is afraid of going up too far against the institutional Catholic Church, which is a factor here in domestic Italian politics, which in a way that it's not in Scandinavia. Just give me 30 seconds. Is that a reasonable conclusion?

[C]

That's very reasonable. But Giorgio Meloni, first of all, we should consider that some legal action improved by the center right government and also by Georgia Melloni government were totally blocked by this political left judicial power in Italy. That is quite, quite notorious. Quite clear on one side. On the other side. Any dare to be prudent of this argument because of Catholic church in Italy is totally wrong. Because Catholic church in Italy is in favor of Socialist party, in favor of Liberal party. It's totally against Christian Democrats.

[B]

Luca that's the end of the show. Very, very quickly. Where do people go on x on Twitter to keep up with your analysis?

[C]

They could come directly to Volonte. Luca Point Bronte Luca or they could be inside there. That's. That's Facebook and we have also Twitter.

[B]

That's it. That's it. Luca Volonte very, very grateful for spending some time with the sniper on the war room. That's what we've got time for. Steve back in the chair, 10am tomorrow. And my thanks to Will, a real America's voice, for holding this show together.

[A]

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