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Natalie Winters (0:07)
I am absolutely livid about this because Donald Trump was put into office by millions and millions of Americans who were Democrats two years ago, five years ago, 10 years ago, 30 years ago, over one campaign promise. And it was to significantly limit immigration, both legal and illegal. Because, of course, both legal and illegal immigration reduce American wages. Because labor is like everything else, it adheres to the ironclad law of supply and demand. The more you have of it, the cheaper it is. And we should want, whether we are progressive, leftist, or whether we're in the MAGA movement, we should want American workers to make decent wages so that our neighbors are living the American dream, not just the elites. So in general, this is a massive betrayal of his number one campaign promise. But let me just address very briefly the H1B argument specifically. So H1Bs are defended on the grounds that, number one, we don't have the talent here, so we need to import it. And number two, that we're doing a sort of brain drain from the rest of the world. Let's bring in the best and the brightest. These are both nonsense and I urge your viewers to look the stats up. I'm going to repeat a few of them, but don't take my word for it. Look it up. Right now, there are 17 million people living in this country who have a degree in STEM and only 9 million of them are employed in STEM jobs. There are a whole bunch of them, many millions who are employed in other jobs and 3 million who are not employed at all in STEM jobs. So we have the supply of labor here. And if we went into the inner city and we went into Appalachia, by God, you would find brilliant Americans there. The problem is, is that the industry a massive downward pressure on wages. So it is not attracting the brilliant and the brightest of homegrown Native American talent. What we're doing is importing a whole bunch of people. So what about this argument that these are the best and the brightest? Well, Pierce, you already mentioned we have a visa for the best and the brightest. And you have it. The H1B visa is being used to import an indentured slave caste who are tied to an employer. They make on average $40,000 a year less than Americans. There are 500,000 H1B vis here. And 30% of STEM jobs are done by foreign workers, people who were born somewhere else. That is, by definition, not the best and the brightest. This is not a brain drain of the world. It is a wage drain of Americans who should be middle class and instead their wages are being sucked upward in a funnel to billionaires like Elon Musk.
Piers Morgan (2:51)
Well a, that was a fantastic rant. Secondly, thank you.
Natalie Winters (2:56)
I think it's very important that we ask why are Americans Talking about this 10 year old case all of a sudden with so much vigor and so much interest? And the answer is because as you led with Pierce, Elon Musk decided that this was going to be his cause du jour. And the reason that he decided that, it seems to me, is to distract from the massive debate that he launched about H1B visas when he sided with foreign workers over American workers. And the fact that in respons to criticism he has begun censoring people on Twitter in exactly the same way that conservatives used to be censored on Twitter under the old regime. And in order to change the subject, he has decided to talk about this decade old case in Britain and take up this character. And you are right. You are both right. It's not Islamophobic for people in England to debate this. But you know what I will not stand for what will make somebody my enemy is if people in America decide to talk about our Muslim neighbors and friends and co Americans who have nothing to do with this and because a billionaire is throwing a tantrum and trying to change the subject will suddenly start talking about people in a totally different country in a way that makes my neighbors feel uncomfortable, my neighbors feel unsafe in America. And I think that's a really important point to make.