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WarRoom Battleground EP 697: Recap Of RFK And The Fight Against Big Pharma
WarRoom Battleground EP 697: Recap Of RFK And The Fight Against Big Pharma ...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Natalie Winters
And where do people like that go.
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Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
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Natalie Winters
MAGA Media.
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Steve Bannon
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Kerry Lake
War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, welcome. Wednesday 29th January, year of our Lord 2025. We are kind of packed this hour, so we're gonna get on with it. Let's go to the White House, our own Natalie Winters. Natalie, another judge has weighed in. You got to help us make sense of this. The memo, a memo went out last night from OMB or yesterday afternoon saying, hey, all money should stop flowing until we kind of get our grip, get a handle about where all this cash is going. We want funding. Stop. The left went crazy last night. I think there are protesters outside the White House right now. You fill us in then. Caroline Levitt, our own Caroline Levitt, said today, hey, look, we rescinded the memo but didn't rescind the bot of what the memo meant. And we want all of the agencies to go full stop. Now another federal judge has jumped in. And we got a stay last night from the one in D.C. but that kind of got overridden by today's action. But now we got another. They went to court. And a federal judge in Rhode island has put another stay or TRO on us. Make this make sense to us. What in the hell is going on?
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Kerry Lake
Sure.
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Natalie Winters
Well, Steve, I think you were too humble in the last segment, saying that we have a few more sets of eyes on us here in the war room. I think since we've gotten our White House press creds, I think we were, what, the number one trending story on Twitter for about 24 hours. I don't think the mainstream media really likes us being here. But all that aside, I think this story is sort of the epitome. They know we're going to expose them for the liars that they are. If people remember. What did I tell you guys coming out of that press briefing, out of the Stephen Miller press gaggle that I witnessed the number one question on the forefront of everyone in the legacy media was asking about the spending freeze. And we've really only seen the story escalate, I think, to sort of keep better track of it and everyone's minds. There really have been two lawsuits that have sort of been brought against it, one coming from the NGO apparatus world, the other coming from the democratic, the state AGs. So while you're seeing another judge get involved, like you said, this is now a federal judge out of Rhode island, of course, an Obama appointee. His name is John McConnell. I'll read you the quote. I'm inclined to grant the restraining order. I fear that the administration is acting with a distinction, without a difference. He's of course, speaking in reference to Press Secretary Caroline Levitt's statement where they're saying that they're sort of trying to circumvent the legal withhold or legal pause on the freeze. In other words, it's just sort of a de facto freeze by President Trump's not necessarily stroke of the pen, but just the ethos behind the order. So they're trying to place another hold on that. That was sort of the lead on Politico before we started this afternoon show. So that's the main story. And one last point of news that's happening today, Democracy Forward, which is basically that conglomerate of a bunch of resistance groups. In concert with, of course, the Mark Elias of the world, they've introduced yet another, I believe it's the third lawsuit to block President Trump's schedule F executive order.
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Steve Bannon
The question there is going to be standings. That's why they're trying to cover the waterfront. I just want to make a point, Natalie, is that for the battles ahead, this has nothing to do with the cuts to these programs. This is just a free so they can understand where all the cash is going. And President Trump is making a point of, hey, I'm getting out of who I'm getting the Green New Deal. Why did I read in the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times, the money's still going there. I can't get to it. This goes back also to the theory that's going to be tested of impoundment. So these are, these, these are huge issues at stake. But folks, right now the left is on full war path. Is that protest outside? We can hear it, Natalie. Is that about the spending freeze that we're hearing right now? They're already protesting outside the White House.
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Natalie Winters
No, to be honest, they're a little underwhelming. They're just calling President Trump, a fascist, and all of his staffers and of course, myself and Brian Glenn. I guess that's my new commute to work. I'll take it. I guess they're taking Rachel Maddows. What did she really hone in on? What was it last week, the idea of shame being a powerful tool? I guess that's kind of all that they have. But I think it goes back, Steve, frankly, just to the idea. I think it's right. It's shut down politics, sort of like the wizard of Oz. When you see behind the curtain, you actually realize that a lot of this integral spending, like sending foreign aid to every country except the United States, is actually not all that integral. And when you see that the country can exist without sending billions or trillions dollars to third world countries, it sort of defeats the entire business model that this country's run on for a very long time.
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Steve Bannon
Why don't you hang on one second. Can we play a couple of clips from Bobby Kennedy? I'm very honored to have Mary Holland, the president of Children's Health Defense here. We'll play a couple of clips from Bobby Kennedy and then talk to her. Natalie, hang on, because I want your response, too. Thanks. One, if you want to move from advocacy to public responsibility, Americans are going to need to hear a clear and trustworthy recantation of what you have said on vaccinations, including a promise from you never to say vaccines aren't medically safe when they in fact are. And making indisputably clear that you support mandatory vaccinations against diseases where that will keep people safe. You're in that hole pretty deep. We've just had a measles case in Rhode island, the first since 2013, and frankly, you frighten people all day long. They're drilling Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy is absolutely essential to make America healthy again. You've worked with this guy for a long time. Number one, do you think they got to him today, rattled him, and do you think he comes out as strong as he walked in as far as the ability to get confirmed?
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Mary Holland
Yes, I think that they did not rattle him. He is very used to this. This is nearly 20 years of this stuff. And the betting markets were up about 30% after his confirmation hearing today.
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Steve Bannon
Why was that?
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Mary Holland
I think he showed himself very calm and composed under pressure. I think the, the.
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Steve Bannon
Because he pulled his punches. You know, Megyn Kelly and I want him to be a little more aggressive. We're naturally crazy Irishmen, so we want to. Your, your, your theory of the case is it's better not to let Bobby conviction.
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Mary Holland
Yeah. My theory of the case is he let these people grandstand and they burned himself out. They showed themselves to be silly. Talking about onesies at a Senate confirmation hearing is just ridiculous. And I think he. They just wanted to blather on. They didn't want to hear answers. And that comes across to the American people. It was only half of that committee that really wanted to hear the answers. If you don't want to hear the answers from the person who's going to be the secretary, you're not serious about that inquiry. And that's to me what came across.
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Steve Bannon
Tommy Tuberville sat in that seat. He's going to be on the committee tomorrow of Health and Human Services. And I asked him, I said, if you know the military industrial complex, the big tech industrial complex, and then you had the big pharma medical industrial complex. I said, rank order those of the most powerful. And he said, Steve, he says big pharma and medical is so far above. I said, what? And he says, not even comparison. He says they're all over. They're everywhere. They get lobbyists because there's so much money. And he says they're so powerful. Is that true?
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Mary Holland
Well, there are seven lobbyists for every member of Congress from the pharma industrial complex and of course, seven lobbyists for every member of Congress.
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Steve Bannon
535 members. You're telling.
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Mary Holland
I'm telling you that's the number that I've heard. Remember Bobby's budget, 1.9 trillion is three times the military budget. So yes, this is the biggest money center in the Cabinet. And this, it is connected especially around pandemic preparedness. This is connected to the military industrial complex. So yes, they are extremely powerful and we're seeing this tremendous pushback which we've been seeing all along. But what's important is that Bobby Kennedy is on the cusp of confirmation. There were thousands of people who came from all over the country. I am certain there are millions of people watching the videos that are out there right now. This is something the country wants to see. The country wants to understand this vaccine issue. And they, I think are behind what Bobby. Basically his message was, I want gold standard science and I want radical transparency. Those were his core messages.
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Steve Bannon
Is that why there's so much money through the system? Is that why finance goes before the healthcare committee?
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Mary Holland
I think so.
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Steve Bannon
Because you're just talking about the cash is so big, it's so great and you have to know somebody's a fiduciary. Yeah.
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Mary Holland
And when there's no transparency, how do you know the money's being honest?
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Steve Bannon
You don't, but the money's not being honest.
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Mary Holland
Well, there's tremendous corruption in the health care sector. I don't think anybody disagrees with that. In Medicaid and Medicare that they talked about, there's tremendous levels of fraud. And I think Bobby Kennedy will look at that and I think he will be positive in undercutting some of that, you know, fat.
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Steve Bannon
Your understanding of this industrial complex, your understanding of Bobby Kennedy, the man and the activists, what are the one or two most important things he can accomplish for President Trump in the nation as the secretary?
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Mary Holland
Radical transparency is number one. There are closed books, Steve, that need to be opened about the chronic disease epidemic. He is laser focused on overcoming the chronic disease epidemic in this country. Over half of adults and children have some kind of chronic condition.
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Steve Bannon
Define that when you say chronic.
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Mary Holland
Chronic means it's not an acute condition, it's not an accident, it's not an infectious disease. It means it's asthma, it's diabetes, it's heart disease, it's cancer.
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Steve Bannon
And America's never been like that. Something's happened.
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Mary Holland
It's never something's happened. And as Bobby said, there can be genetic susceptibility, but there has to be some environmental trigger. And he's an environmental scientist. He's been looking at this kind of science. What is the trigger? What's making this happen? As he said, when his uncle was president, there were like 3% of the American public that had chronic disease conditions. They weren't spending money on it. Now it is 90% of our health care budget. And it's not about the money cost, it's really about the human cost. I thought it was really poignant when he said, when people are healthy, they have a hundred, they have a thousand dreams. When people are sick, they have one dream and that's to be healthy, be healthy.
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Steve Bannon
What's the. Besides radical transparency, what else?
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Mary Holland
Well, gold standard science. The truth of the matter is, Steve, we look at the science around vaccines every day and it is not transparent and it's not honest science. There's fake placebos that are used every day. They game who goes into the clinical trials and they hide the data. The FDA doesn't do any independent science. The drug companies do the science and they feed to FDA basically what they want to feed. So Bobby is going to have a lot to do with creating, recreating, gold standard science and bringing in, as he said, people to HHS who are really ready to Engage in unbiased science and innovation.
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Steve Bannon
What do you put his odds today after the Finance Committee? What do you put his odds as confirmation?
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Mary Holland
Better than 50%. Way better than 50%.
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Steve Bannon
What do you think? What does he have to do tomorrow? Because Megan and I would love to see him more aggressive. But you're saying you don't understand the game. The game's confirmation. Let the Democrats punch in.
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Mary Holland
Think about what they accuse him of. They accuse him of being a nut job. They accuse him of being an anti vax conspiracy theorist. So what's the best antidote to that? To be deliberative, to be calm, to be sober minded, to be rational. I think that's what he showed today. I think that's what he'll show tomorrow.
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Steve Bannon
One of the things I was most impressed in working with you guys last couple of years, the people involved with, with you guys in your movement. I was very impressed. Claire Duo had some tremendous interviews on the way in the line. But talk about those thousand people what got you. Not just had Megyn Kelly sitting back and you literally had people rotating in all day for those seats to show support. Talk to us about those people.
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Mary Holland
I just talked to people who flew in from Hawaii, Steve. I talked to people who flew in from Illinois, people who drove all night, people who waited on line at 1 in the morning. People want somebody who cares about people in that job. I think we've seen, you know, Alex Azar, Scott Goplee, people who really came out of PhRMA and they went back to PhRMA. Bobby's never been in pharma. He's never been in corporate interest and he's going to, he's there for the people. As you said, he doesn't need this job to be secretary, but he, he wants children to be healthy. He wants our country to be healthy.
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Steve Bannon
Explain to our audience what is make America healthy again. What does the MAHA movement stand for?
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Mary Holland
It stands for taking America's health back from corporate interests. The corporate interests make money on sick people. We have a sick care system. We don't have a health system. I think Bobby wants it to be a system that supports health and that's good food, that's good medicine, that may be supplements, that may be use of AI, that may be telemedicine. It's really making available to people healthy lives.
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Steve Bannon
Mary, thank you for coming. Where do people get you? You'll be there tomorrow. Just make a commitment. We want to see you tomorrow night after the second day.
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Mary Holland
You got it.
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Steve Bannon
Mary Holland. Where do people go to get all the information about the group and everything and all the accusations against Bobby.
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Mary Holland
Childrenshealthdefense.org Childrenshealthdefense.org and do you have a social media handle?
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Steve Bannon
Yes.
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Mary Holland
Children's hd.
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Steve Bannon
Children's hd. Thank you so much.
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Mary Holland
Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Appreciate you. And we're going to see you tomorrow, same time here. We're going to do a wrap up.
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Mary Holland
Same time, same place.
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Steve Bannon
Natalie Winters from the White House. What do they think? Give me your assessment of Bobby Kennedy's testimony and what's the feeling and the vibe at the White House?
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Natalie Winters
I get the sense that the mainstream media sort of feels like they had a victory. I don't think they're certainly freaking out like they did over the Pete Hegseth confirmation hearings. Not necessarily a full blown victory, but they're not panicked about it like I think we would expect them to be. I think obviously sort of what we were talking about before in the same way that the freezing spend sort of exposes, I think a lot of the foreign aid programs here for being the frauds, the rackets and the scams that they are in the form of, you know, the COVID and the Wuhan grants. I think someone like Bobby Kennedy, I think you can sort of discern, you know, cui bono, right. Who the entities are that have things at stake by who was funding the opposition to him. And it wasn't really even just Democrats. I mean, obviously Elizabeth Warren had her, you know, spiraling out Karen moment. But I think more of the opposition has really come from establishment Republicans. Right. In the form of Mike Pence. I think it's absolutely disgraceful, the ads that they've been running, the sort of statements that he's been putting out, you know, Mr. Mike Pence, who wants to stand on the Hill of being a staunch pro life defender. Shame on you. You're the person who oversaw and ushered in the most, not just illegitimate but most radical pro death regime that this country has ever seen. That was the Biden regime for the last four years. The selective moral outrage is really lost, I think, on everyone. I'm glad to be bashing Mike Pence on the White House lawn on day two. I'll take that. But I think that you can really see who the enemies are. And I think that I think our audience has really stepped into the breach in terms of making the phone calls. But I don't think we get anywhere by pretending like today was a really, really good day for confirming rfk. I think that we need to continue burning down the phone lines because I would like to see my newfound mainstream media colleagues a little bit more disappointed about what happened today, but I don't think they really are.
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Steve Bannon
No, I think you're right. We got work to do overnight and tomorrow. 202-224-3121 or get the Bill Blaster app under Grace Chong's tutelage or Mike Davis over at Article 3. We're going to need to get to the ramparts. And of course, Tulsi tomorrow. And cash. Hang on for a second. I want to go to Kerry Lake. Kerry, you saw tell me about Bobby Kennedy. What did you think about the hearing today?
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Kerry Lake
Wow. I thought it was great. I mean, it's like must see TV watching all of these confirmation hearings. And this one is a little more near and dear to me as well, you know, being a mom. And I think a lot of moms are watching this who aren't even involved in politics and maybe normally wouldn't care in politics. We're glued to this. Today. I saw some of my Mama bear friends who haven't gotten overly involved. They don't watch your show. They're not posse members. They're just taking care of their families. And they were totally in tune to this today, watching somebody who's really stepped up as a hero for moms, moms who maybe have kids with autism. I had a son with severe asthma, a chronic condition like asthma, where going to the hospital a couple times a year became the norm for us. And we want to get to the bottom of why. Why are we seeing these diseases? Why are we seeing more of them? Why did it used to be 1 in 10,000 kids had autism and now it's 1 in 36 kids. And Bobby Kennedy Jr. Was the guy who was standing up to big pharma. Do you know how scary that is? That's, you know, standing up to big pharma and the military industrial complex. I think those are the two scariest entities in the world. They will destroy you. And he stood up and he has been sounding the alarm. I mean, the fact that he wrote this book, it's one of the best books out there. The real Anthony Fauci, they're scared to death, some of these people in Washington, D.C. because he's going to now be able to dig further and prove to the people what's really been going on. And he's been right about things. I mean, he was right about red dye. He was about it being a carcinogen. He was right about fluoride affecting our children's iq. And what else is he right about the moms out there who have really good gut instincts about what's going on with their kids. They are connected to Bobby Kennedy Jr. Because he's the first guy to stand up and say, we got to make our country healthy again, and I'm really looking forward to tomorrow. I thought he did an incredible job. I disagree with you and Megyn Kelly, even though I love both of you. I thought his temperament was perfect today. You know, there's something very commanding about somebody who remains calm under pressure. When he had Elizabeth Warren screaming at him, he remained calm. The person who's screaming is the one who looks out of control. And there's nobody who understands the issue in the topic like Bobby Jr. If you've ever had a chance to sit and talk with him, his brain is like an encyclopedia. And today they kept pushing vaccines, vaccines, vaccines. I don't think that those senators realize the skepticism because of the COVID shot that moms and dads now feel out there about public health, about some of the vaccines that have been pushed on us. They want more information, not less. They want more transparency. That's what we're going to get with Bobby Kennedy Jr. I thought he did an excellent job today, knocked it out of the ballpark. And I hope that he gets the and gets confirmed. I think there's going to be a lot of mad mothers and fathers and young people out there who came into the movement simply because of him, who voted Republican maybe for the first time in their lives, or voted for the first time in their lives, who will walk away from the Republican Party if they don't vote the right way, which is to vote for Bobby Kennedy, for hhs. I'm looking forward to seeing him take on Big Pharma. And I thought he did an incredible job.
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Steve Bannon
It's one of the reasons that you left broadcasting and became. Got into the MAGA movement, became one of the leading lights in the MAGA movement. Could you feel the money in the room today? Could you actually feel Big Pharma, Pfizer and these companies coming after Bobby Kennedy?
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Kerry Lake
Ma'am, interesting that you bring that up, because I was watching. I've been a little bit under the weather, as you can probably hear in my voice. And I was kind of laying there in bed watching. And the people who were yelling the loudest and harping on him the most, I thought they must be getting a payout from Big Pharma, the big pharmaceutical companies. And sure enough, a little bit later, I noticed on social media that, you know, one of the top Folks who gets money from big pharma is Elizabeth Warren. You would think that the Democrats would be on his side on this. They've talked for years about caring about our health, caring about health care. They only want to. They only care about health care if it means pouring a ton of money into the pharmaceutical companies. And I don't think that's what health care is. I think healthcare is preventing illness, is making sure that, as what Kennedy said today, what is in our food is safe. We want to make sure that when we're feeding our families, feeding ourselves, that something hasn't been put into our food that makes it unsafe and getting to the bottom of all of this. And, you know, I thought the questions seemed to really hit only on vaccines. There were so many other issues he talked about about chronic illness and about, you know, really reducing the price of what we're paying for healthcare and getting a better quality for it, getting a more high quality, you know, healthcare. And they were so condescending toward him. It was actually embarrassing. He's one of the smartest people I know. Every conversation I've ever had with him, I've been amazed at the information he has that he's been able to store in his brain. And I think he showed that today when he calmly took on these senators, let them, some of them go into hysterics. And he sat there and answered the questions the best he could with them interrupting him.
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Steve Bannon
You're one of the more important people coming in this administration, one of the most important jobs, the voice of America. I know you've got big plans for it. You're not Senate confirmed, but it's got to go through a process to get you there. Talk to me about tomorrow. As you see two of your colleagues going through, I think could be two of the toughest sessions, I think make Bobby Kennedy's Palin comparison. That is Tulsi Gabbard at DNI and Cash Patel at FBI. Give us your pregame assessment of this, ma'am.
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Kerry Lake
Well, I know both Tulsi and Cash, and, you know, I know that Tulsi is calm and cool and collected under fire. I can't imagine her ever losing her cool. They won't be able to trip her up. She will remain calm and steadfast, and I know that that's going to go really well. Look, they don't want these people. They don't want any of Trump's people. Cash is going incredible, and they'll try to paint him as a conspiracy theorist and attack him. He's going to Be incredible. They're scared to death of him getting in and rooting out corruption. This administration is different than any administration we've seen in our lifetimes. President Trump is putting in people who don't need this, they don't need the jobs. Do you think Bobby Kennedy or Tulsi needs this job? No. They're doing it because they care about this country. And we need to root out the corruption in our federal government. And every single person that President Trump puts forth is going to be attacked. We have to be ready for Lawfare. But we've been trained up until now. We've been through it up until now. Lawfare is coming our way. We're going to get all these different Soros based groups that have gone after many of us, including myself and President Trump and people like you and people like Rudy. They're not going to stop. And so if we think that, oh no, they're coming after us, they're suing here, they're suing there. Maybe we should step back and slow down. No, we have to save this country. And that means making sure that the bureaucracy is slimmed down, making sure that the corruption is rooted out and restoring the federal government giving back to we the people. This government has been running on cruise. Control the bureaucracy out of control and it's running this country off a cliff and it stops right now. I'm really happy with President Trump's bold agenda, what he's pushed forward. I don't think he's had any missteps. I think he's been doing a great job. And, you know, along the way there's going to be slight alterations and changes along the way. That's to be expected. There's a lot of moving parts right now and we know how the deep state works. It's always constantly throwing a landmine in front of you. But we've been through hell and back. Many of us have, and we're ready for it. President Trump is not sending wimpy people to Washington D.C. he's sending a bunch of fighters, patriotic fighters. And tomorrow we're going to see two of the greatest patriotic fighters in Tulsi Gabbard and also in Cash Patel. I'm looking forward to it. It's Must See TV and I know, I believe at the end of the day they will get the confirmation.
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Steve Bannon
Kerry, can we get a commitment to you to come on tomorrow after a huge day of Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel and join us in the 6:00 hour?
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Kerry Lake
I would love to do it. I would absolutely love to do it. And, you know, I just want to let them know if they're watching tonight. Guys, rest well and just show up. You already know everything. You got it up here. And be calm. I mean, take a page. I think Pete Hegseth was so great starting this all off. He's got everyone yelling at him, and he stayed calm, cool, and collected. And that can be the scariest attitude of all when you're in a room with a bunch of panicking politicians who, many of whom have taken money from these big, big, you know, agencies and companies and you know what I'm talking about. They've taken a lot of payouts. They're people like Carrie.
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Steve Bannon
Real quickly, what's your social media? We gotta bounce. What's your social media?
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Kerry Lake
Carrie Lake at Carrilake. Go to Twitter, arielake. You can go to Getter, you can go to Facebook, is TheCarryLake. And all of the usual places. Just look for Carrie Lake, like, thank you, ma'am.
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Steve Bannon
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Kerry Lake
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
Let's go back to the White House pregame For tomorrow we have Cash Patel and Tulsi Gabbard. Natalie Winters, talk to us about the White House's thinking on all this.
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Natalie Winters
Well, I mean, I think the Pam Bondi hearing was essentially the pre game, certainly for the Cash hearing. I'm sure you could probably extend that logic to the the Tulsi hearing too. I think all eyes are of course going to be frankly I think on on the cash one I think for two reasons. One, I think that it sort of reifies and I think represents the MAGA movement in its entirety. Right. The concept of the enemy's link, the word that you're not allowed to say, certainly not here on the White House lawn, but that appendix in government gangsters. But I think more importantly I think it sort of represents the victory of this audience of the Warren Posse of the sort of Article 3 project, the ability to move the needle. Right. It's sort of a showdown that's not just about cash, but the thing itself is sort of us, the new MAGA right versus the establishment, the powers that be.
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Kerry Lake
Right.
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Natalie Winters
At sort of a similar I think hegseth I would say confirmation in the sense that it was supposed to be dead on arrival. Right. At least pronounced by msnbc. But look where we are here. There seems to be a lot of I think renewed media appetite in the Tulsi hearing. There's obviously the New York Times story what came out yesterday, but that was sort of a watered down version of the original hit piece attack that they were going for since it was a smear to begin with. I'll definitely be here tomorrow because I think it'll be interesting to sort of get the the sense of how the media is reacting to the hearings. But like I said today, the focus really has been on the freeze the aid from I guess the legacy media that apparently really cares about getting American people aid and benefits. That's a newfound sentiment that I didn't know they had in them.
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Steve Bannon
Where do people go to get you overnight? There's going to be a lot of interest the memo we're going to be working through other issues to get ready tonight. But folks got to understand the White House is now a 247 operation. Natalie, where do one go to catch up with you?
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Natalie Winters
Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms and we'll see you back at the White House probably tomorrow.
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Steve Bannon
Natalie, thank you so much. Appreciate you. So on the eve of it Tulsi Gabbard DNI Cash Patel FBI Bobby Kennedy Day 2 We Got Lee Zeldin was confirmed today so we're slowly getting there. Senator Thune, you got to step up, you know where's Russ vote? We got to step up right now. We got to have, we have to have more of these votes and we have to have them sooner. Jim Rickards joins us. Jim, I wanted to have you in here in the first couple of days. Just give us your overall assessment. You've seen a couple of three administrations give us. What do you think so far of President Trump's all pedal, no brake philosophy, sir?
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Jim Rickards
It's working extremely well. And it's exactly the way you described, Steve. The progressives, the liberals, the woke, you know, the regular Democrats, they can't keep up. I mean, he's coming out with policies on a daily basis, announcements, executive orders, appointments, et cetera. Any one of which might have taken, you know, months to consider and think about. Clearly, this was all thought out in advance, all gamed out in advance. That's great. The exact opposite of what happened in 2016. I've been a critic of that transition, you know, that that was what it was. And then kind of got bogged down in the Russian hoax. But this time they're extremely well prepared. But my point is, you know, when they did the thing with Colombia on Sunday, putting up 25% tariffs, they ended up not doing that because the Colombian president caved on the subject of taking deportees. But then, you know, the next day was the freeze on basically discretionary government payments. No Social Security, Medicare, et cetera. But that's huge. And particularly usaid, Agency for International Development, that from the beginning, that has been a front for the CIA. Yeah, they do some legitimate stuff, but basically it's just what they call a cutout, going all the way back to the days of Court Meyer in the early 1960s. It was a propaganda cutout. And they just said, stop. Just to freeze everything. You can't do anything. Well, the media almost forgot about deportation for a minute because they were so upset about that. And then, you know, new terminations today. I think they just fired a couple people in the Justice Department. So the point is every day is a super headline. The opponents can't keep up. And that's great because you keep the progressives off balance.
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Steve Bannon
Talk about, by the way, for here for Worm, every day is Christmas Day. But I want to go back to President Trump just putting out the memo. They're trying to find out where the cash is, but this gets to impoundment. And you mentioned us. I think President Trump is saying, hey, I'm getting out of world Health. I'm shining down the green New deal. There should be $300 billion worth of cash. And the media's reporting. Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, oh, it's still out there. I think he just got frustrated and said, I want this Stuff shut down. How important is that? Inside the apparatus, inside the administrative state, what Trump's doing, to basically test how far he can push it before he starts deconstructing it.
- [36:21]
Jim Rickards
It's extremely important. I can give you a little, a quick anecdote from personal experience, you know, not billions of dollars. I had a government contract and there was a certain amount and a certain duty, okay? So I did the job and I got paid. What I got paid was less than the authorized amount in the contract. So it came up for renewal and they increased it. They increased the authorization. So I said, hey, guys, I came in under budget last time. I think I can do that again. Why are you increasing it? They were like, just sign it. So, okay, fine. Then in year three, they did it again. They kept increasing. I kept coming in under budget and finally I realized what they were doing is I had a bunch of whatever clearances, et cetera. So I was kind of inside the system, if you will. So they were increasing me, knowing I wasn't going to charge that much money and then reallocating it to somebody else at the end of the year. So that's not impoundment. Congress authorizes it. High level. Fine. The Anti Empowerment act says you can't freeze that authorization. But under that umbrella, once the Congress has approved it, there are thousands of programs and enormous discretion. So when you take a rifle shot approach to certain programs and say, we're not going to spend more on this, that's not, that doesn't violate the Impoundment Act. That's within the executive branch powers. Now, Trump may be pushing it a little bit, but that's fine. It needs to be pushed. So I think he's well within his legal authority. He's not violating the Anti Empowerment act, and that's one of the reasons they're so up in arms. If this were an easy case to shoot down with the Anti Empowerment act, they wouldn't be complaining about it, but it actually works.
- [37:52]
Steve Bannon
We'd like to work and try to get you on tomorrow because I want to have you on after Cash and Tulsi, but can you give us a pregame? We got a couple of minutes left here. The pregame on Tulsi Gabbard. What is Jim Rickards going to be looking for in her testimony and for this audience to ensure that she can actually get confirmed? What to you, Jim, are the two or three most important points?
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Jim Rickards
Well, I followed all the appointments and the hearings very closely, but I am most focused on Tulsi Gabbard. She is so well qualified. We've met. I had a very long conversation with her. The thing that throws you off guard about Tulsi, she's not only brainy and experienced and well qualified, she's a really nice person. I mean, there are a lot of smart people in the beltway who aren't that nice. She's just, you know, kind of checks every box. Now here's the thing. She's being beaten up over the fact that she met with Bashar Al Assad, who's the recently, you know, deposed President of Syria. What is the spy supposed to do? What are they supposed to do? I'm not talking about, you know, kind of sitting at a desk doing analysis and lying. I'm talking about out in the field, clandestine service, etc. You're supposed to go to the target country, cultivate the local elites. Everyday people too, because they can be a source. But cultivate the local elites, get information and report it back. That's what they do. That's what she did. How many people in Langley have met with Bashar al Assad? He's supposedly the greatest enemy in the United States, et cetera. Are you meeting with him? I know people interrogated Saddam Hussein. There were only a handful of those. She actually met with the leader of arrival, got information and brought it back. That's like the perfect spy. So don't tell me she doesn't know what she's doing on the intelligence side. She's an active duty army lieutenant colonel in the reserve, but active duty. She reports for duty a certain number of times a year. You know what she does in the military? Psychological operations. That's her command is psyops. That's all the CIA does. I mean, they blow things up, pipelines and stuff like that. But. But basically from the beginning again, I'm going back to the 1950s and quid Meier and Frank Wisener, but all the way through, right up till today. They mostly tell lies. And it's okay. The CIA gets to. It's legal to break the law. That's what they do. But they mostly tell lies and engage in propaganda. Her command is Psychological Operations and I work with the CIA, but I also worked with the Director of National Intelligence. One of my assignments got moved over when DNI was created. So I worked in both agencies. I know them very well from the inside. I can't think of.
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Steve Bannon
I can't her.
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Jim Rickards
Now why are they going to beat her up? They're going to beat her up because she has serious reservations about the war in Ukraine. And you got people like Lindsey Graham and others, you know, on the Republican side, not just the Democratic side, who were total warmongers. And that's the real opposition to her. So I think she'll hold up very well, very well composed, you know, smart in all the things I mentioned. But they're going to she's actually shown that she's the perfect spy, but they're somehow going to turn that, they're going to turn that around on her. Say, why are you meeting with the enemy? Well, that's what you're supposed to do.
- [40:49]
Steve Bannon
This is going to be amazing. Mark, Jim, I got to talk to you afterwards and try to get you on here tomorrow. Jim, where do people go? Rickardswarroom.com But I want to talk give it a minute or two on your newsletters. White now more than ever, with capital markets roiling, geopolitics changing, why do they need to get up to speed on your newsletters?
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Jim Rickards
Thanks. You're right, Steve, it is Recordswarroom.com Rickardswarroom.com, that's our landing page. You go there. We have some videos and other materials, but it's basically an offer of our flagship newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. We have some others, but this is the big one. We put out 7 or 8,000 words a month, one issue a month. That's like book length over the course of a year. We said that Biden was not going to be the nominee in September 2023. Forget 2024. We said it in September 2023 that Joe Biden would not be the Democratic nominee. You know, we call the electoral vote 312 stuck the landing. I think we were the only ones who got it exactly right. So we have a very good track record with our forecasting. We use proprietary methods, but you'll get all of that in Strategic Intelligence are key flagship newsletter.
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Steve Bannon
And you won't be able to. It's addictive reading. It's amazing to tie it all together, Cord Myers ex wife Mary Myers was Jack Kennedy's favorite mistress. Just to wrap it all up, Jim.
- [42:10]
Jim Rickards
Rickert, SOCIAL MEDIA yeah. Mary Meyers diary, by the way, her diary has never been disclosed. The best information was given to Jim Angleton, but that's not clear. I'm hoping when the Kennedy papers come out, that'll be one of them. But my guess is they destroyed it.
- [42:27]
Steve Bannon
I'll have you on and we'll tell the whole story about that so the audience gets. It's an amazing story. Rickards. Thank you, brother. I'll talk to you tonight. I'd Love to have you back on tomorrow to do a post game on Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel. Thank you, brother.
- [42:39]
Jim Rickards
Thanks.
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Steve Bannon
Interesting story. We want to seat our next guest. In fact, when Mary Myers was actually, I don't know, murdered jogging on the Georgetown Topaz in the middle of the day, kind of cloudy. Who did it? A guy was found guilty, but later I think they rescinded that. Very questionable how it happened. They went to Mary Meyer's artist, kind of not a loft but an artist place in Georgetown. Ben Bradlee, who was her brother in law got there and he was Jack Kennedy's friend. When they got into the. When they got into the little artist house, carriage house, they looked and James Jesus Angleton was already there from the CIA. Talk more about that. Two great guests, George Papadopoulos and Simona Mangeni Mangente, right there. Right here is the mic. So hold it. You guys are launching a major podcast today, correct?
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George Papadopoulos
Yes.
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Steve Bannon
Tell us about Global View. Why are you doing it, Papadopoulos? You guys are now the film business. You're in L. A, you're living the good life. Why would you get in the podcast business?
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George Papadopoulos
Well, we have been enough the targets and that we have seen unfolding too much fake news.
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Steve Bannon
You're an actress. Don't you know to hit the mic? I know you're an actress and the podcast business is very different.
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George Papadopoulos
You got to just to hide my accent.
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Steve Bannon
Hold it. This is two convicts in a Russian. He and I are coming. Papadovs went to jail too, right. For the Russia. It's for the whole Russia hoax. And you were, you were accused of.
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George Papadopoulos
Being a Russian, Russian spy.
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Steve Bannon
And you're actually Italian.
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George Papadopoulos
Yes, actually 100% Italian. And I've been following your incredible career in Italy when it come to shape our nationalist leader, Giorgio Meloni and Matteo Salvini and many others. So you are very much appreciated by the nationalist people there.
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Steve Bannon
So how does Rachel Maddow and Shifty shift gift all the time on MSNBC refer to you as a Russian spy?
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George Papadopoulos
They're crazy. I mean like literally they think my accent is Russian. I don't know if they ever spoke to a Russian person in their life. And also, you know, it's kind of an easy stereotype. You know, you just take blonde hair so, you know, kind of light eyes and that's it. So it's, it's kind of. That shows you how accurate they are in their investigations. Right. They're really accurate.
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Steve Bannon
And they've been after your husband forever.
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Kerry Lake
Yeah.
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George Papadopoulos
And you know, of Course I jumped. You know, I was, I happened to be in his life right at the moment when he was involved in this Russian investigation. And they thought to use me to fit that narrative. So it was kind of an easy fit from their point of view because they don't care about people, they don't care about reputation, they just care about how to push their narrative more and more.
- [45:25]
Steve Bannon
George, let's get that mic right between you guys. You were the first person, correct me if I'm wrong, you're the very first person that deals deep state targeted in the entire resistance to Trump and trying to shut Trump down back in 2015. Correct? In the spring of 2015. You were targeted, right? You were. The very. The whole thing starts from you being targeted. No, it's an incredible story, Steve, and thanks a lot for having us, by the way. So I had actually worked for Dr. Ben Carson's presidential campaign first. And what I think was really going on was that there was a operation targeting a lot of the leaders of the opposition against Hillary Clinton and the third Obama term. So people like Carson, Ted Cruz and of course Donald Trump's campaign were all targeted. And this actually was revealed in incredible reporting by people like Matt Taibbi and Shellenberger in the New York Post. So I was initially one of the first targets. I don't know if I was the first target, but certainly they put their eyes on me. Not only domestic intelligence, but foreign intelligence and put together the biggest political spying scandal in modern American history that we fought back against. Steve, we won. And now accountability is coming. Okay, we only got a couple of minutes. I got to get this straight. You went through hell, actually went to jail. You went through hell. They've tortured you and said you're a Russian spy. They smeared you, they've done everything to you. You guys do that, you're finally in L. A, you're in the movie business, you're enjoying life. Why do you come back and get. Once you start in the podcast as business, you're also now target, new target. Why do you. Why are you guys doing this?
- [46:59]
George Papadopoulos
It's a way, it's a comeback. It's a way to deliver a real perspective on narrative that being manipulated by the so called mainstream, which I believe has no future moving forward. I believe that Trump victory this second term will shape and change cultures. And besides politics, Americans already decided where they stand, you know, have been an overwhelming victory. 80 million people decided the who they trust. Now it's time to put back the trust where it matters. Through free voices like Yours, you'll be an inspiration in that, by the way. And you know, being. Yes, we used to be the target, so it's not going to be much.
- [47:38]
Steve Bannon
So you guys are going off. It's. It's principally the. The. And we're going to say in a second where you get the podcast and where your social media is your target audience. International people who want to understand what's happening in America. Or is it America that want to have a broader international perspective? Or is it both?
- [47:55]
George Papadopoulos
It's both. And that's why we really wanted you to be our first guest. And it was an incredible, a tremendous honor.
- [48:03]
Steve Bannon
It's supposed to be 20 minutes and went a little longer. Yes, a lot of incredible information that we had. Well, you guys asked great questions and then you just wind me up and let me go. So what is it? Is it, is it more people internationally want to know what's happening here and you add a perspective or do you think you bring in guests and perspectives internationally that, that people, particularly the MAGA movement may not have.
- [48:27]
George Papadopoulos
It's a. Both way. And I believe for example at this time we have populist movements raising all over the world and specifically Europe, as you well know, because you advise the many nationalist leader over there. So understanding how politics are unfolding over there, how America with its new leader Donald Trump will position and will influence their decision.
- [48:50]
Steve Bannon
Are those movements Brexit happened before us? Brexit was in June 16th. And I say it's always been the predicate for kind of the Trump you could see what was happening. Are the movements there, although they're not grabbing power in many of the government governments, but they're taking governments down. Are they more advanced than we are or are they trailing us?
- [49:09]
George Papadopoulos
They keep having this tendency to follow American leadership and I think America leads and that's why it's very important to understand the impact United States have globally. That's why we call it global view. And also the responsibility of America of European leaders into actually adopt a coherent strategy. Think about the war in Ukraine. That's I think a weight of responsibility and also leadership because America still has the example.
- [49:37]
Steve Bannon
You know, some of my issues with Maloney, who I do think the world looks as you and I have talked, she's got these tremendous skills on the political stage is about the Ukraine war.
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Kerry Lake
Right.
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Steve Bannon
We just heard from Jim Rickards where he walked in here. Why they're going after Tulsi tomorrow is really her positions on the Ukraine war. That is a huge dividing thing between the American first movement in the establishment. Your assessment right now, because it's so important in Italian politics of where's the perspective of Europe right now on the Ukraine war?
- [50:04]
George Papadopoulos
Well, they're pretty much following the leadership of Ursula on the lion. So the eu, whatever it is, if it can be considered a unity of any kind, is implementing this socialist trend that Biden set. So basically even our nationalist leader, Georgia Madonna, which I also steam a lot, she followed by the lead on this topic and started to, you know, vote for implementing sanction to Russia and sending our tax money, Italian citizen tax money to Ukraine and military aid and all these kind of things. So obviously I don't know how she will align right now her policies to the new. A shift that finally is happening here.
- [50:49]
Steve Bannon
We got a bounce. Where did they get. The show launches tonight. Where do people go to get the get your first episode. We want to drive as much traffic there as possible. The show's starting launching tonight. You are our first guest Global view. You could find all the updates right now on our X account. I'm at George Papa 19.
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Jim Rickards
Simona.
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George Papadopoulos
Yes. Simona Manjante. But I think your is easier. So.
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Steve Bannon
And there's a YouTube channel as well. YouTube and is this. It's. It's free. This is free to download. I want everybody's free, totally free content. Once again, where do they go to get the first episode night Grace Chung. We'll push it out hard. But where they go, you can find it on YouTube right now. Global View with Papadopoulos. You just type that in.
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Kerry Lake
It should come up.
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Steve Bannon
And then on X at George Papa 19 we'll be posting segments on there. Moving forward, is it going to be every week it's a weekly show or how you guys doing start weekly? Absolutely.
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Jim Rickards
It's gonna be.
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Steve Bannon
It's gonna be weekly. And we're expecting to have both domestic and international guests. Yes. To put together house. Let's have a big kickoff. Thank you guys for coming so much. Thanks for having me coming on. Okay, we're gonna be back at 10am Eastern time tomorrow morning. It's going to be Wild Tulsi Gabbard, Cash Patel, Bobby Kennedy live from the capital. See you tomorrow morning.
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