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WarRoom Battleground EP 698: Holding The Maga Line On Foreign Engagement
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Steve Bannon
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Naomi Wolf
And where do people like that go.
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Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
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Naomi Wolf
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and.
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Steve Bannon
What is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Country, this country will be saved.
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Steve Bannon
WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen k. Ban. Thursday the 30th of January. Year of alert 2025. We're going to do tomorrow. We're going to get highlights from the days because it was so combative. But I've got three of my favorite people up. I want to spend as much time with them as possible. Naomi Wolf joins us. Naomi, you've been here since the beginning of this, but why was this such an important day? Part of this movement called Make America Healthy again, this kind of partner with maga. Why is this so important? And why was Bobby Kennedy. Today I'm going to get into all the information warfare and your specialists and how it played out, but just overall, the framing of this, why was this so important? And why did it appear that liberal and progressive Democrats came at him so viciously? Ma'am.
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Natalie Winters
Well, we've all been waiting for this day for so long, and ever since RFK Jr joined forces with President Trump and MAGA and Maha became a thing which, you know, I've been advocating for as long as I could. You know, it's an historic realignment for Americans. It creates a potential political force that could change the landscape and dominate the political landscape for our lifetimes, you know, if everyone plays their cards the way they should. And also, this was the bottleneck, right? This was the one opportunity that RFK Jr. S many very big enemies had to take him out, metaphorically, to derail him, to rattle him, to roll out whatever dirt they might have found on him, to drag his name into the mud even more fully than they and legacy media already have and leave him kind of wounded on the batt or flipping it around. This was the opportunity. This is the opportunity that this incredibly maligned warrior will have had to show America and show the Senate and show the Senate's constituents that he's a credible, reasonable person with authority as opposed to the bizarre caricature that legacy media has sought to make of him ever since he appeared so prominently on the scene, and certainly ever since he ran for president himself, and even more when he joined forces with President Trump, which is the scariest thing, you know, the deep state, the globalists, the, you know, pharma evil cartel, all the bad guys can imagine. So this was a, you know, this was a decisive battle, right? This is a turning point, and that's the big picture. If you want me to analyze how I think it went, I'm happy to, but this was the kind of culmination of many, many months, not just of campaigning and preparation, but no doubt of training of this nominee, perfection of sound bites, lobbying behind the scenes. I know he was escorted to meet with many, many of the people who have been grilling him. And it's right, it's not over. I mean, it hangs by thread. There's a tiny handful of votes that are going to decide it one way or another. And also, you know, big, big picture. Millions of Americans really care about what happens here. Millions of Americans who didn't have a voice, didn't have a champion. All those moms, those millions of moms and dads who are worried sick about their kids, worried sick about the food supply, the pharmaceutical supply, how to have a healthy life in the United States of America, how to survive. Found a voice in RFK Jr. And so this is kind of an X ray of the beating heart of this institution. And if it can absorb a truth teller.
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Steve Bannon
You said metaphorically, trying to kill. I mean, hey, that There was some viciousness out there today. So let's put your hat on as a information war field commander and, you know, an expert in this. Did we win this? Did we win today and are able to push this project forward? Because they came at him with the guns unsheathed. I mean, look, Cash took some incoming, Tulsi took some incoming. But there's a level of viciousness coming at Bobby Kennedy. I mean, they were unmasked. What's your take on how he did?
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Natalie Winters
So I think RFK Jr did creditably, right? It wasn't a home run. It was a solid, I'm gonna say, BB plus from him, but that kind of doesn't matter except that he delivered a solid B. He didn't do anything wrong. There are no big revelations. There were no skeletons in his closet that were unveiled to great fanfare. They tried to get him on some babysitter issue, and he stomped that write down. And at the end, he Very brilliantly, sort of let loose, having been patient for a day and a half and told Senator Sanders that he was the biggest pharma whore on Capitol Hill. I mean, essentially he said that and Senator Sanders was like, no, no, no.
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Naomi Wolf
No, no, no, no.
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Natalie Winters
In this incantatory way, as if by saying no, no, no it would make those millions of dollars in pharma money that he received in 2020 go away. But that's not what's most important. I mean, the fact that he did nothing wrong. Right? He did fine. He didn't do the soaring heights of perfection that would have been an A plus, but he did absolutely fine all the way through. The reason it's a win for us, and this depends on what we do now, and you notice I'm saying we now because I have no more reservations, is that they impaled themselves on his spear over and over and over and over like the Democrats who went after him, went after him in such a visibly cynical bought, prostitute y nefarious self inflicted way that I think that, you know, if the Maga Maha team plays this right, the Democrats will never recover from it. Again and Again and again, RFK Jr. Tried to talk about children's health and chronic disease. And again and again and again, the questions and hectoring and lecturing and badgering and shrieking from various Democratic senators, including some I really used to respect, like Ron Wyden, showed that they were worshipping vaccines in a way that was almost pathological, that they wouldn't be swayed from their fealty to those pharma millions. This was clear to everybody. That's why I say an X ray just stripped any veneer off of anything else. They wouldn't be deterred. And they were saying things that were literally nonsensical. Like at the end when Senator Cassidy was basically saying, tell me you will swear to tell the moms of America with your giant voice that vaccines don't cause autism. And they were not being scientific. Right? They weren't looking at the science, they weren't looking at the kids. They were literally praying at the feet of a God that they've erected called pharma, but specifically called vaccines. And, and everyone saw this. And you also saw people again shrieking. I mean, Toby Rogers, whom I love, who's a substack author, said some of them seemed vaccine injured because they couldn't manage their emotions. They weren't in charge of modulating their emotions. They were hysterical. They were frothing the mouths more so on day one than day two. But also on day two. And so this was the display, right? And so what I would do if I was advising these people is I would almost take the spotlight off of RFK Jr. And his performance and turn it right on every one of those moments in which the Democrats lost control or changed the subject when he said wonderfully to that one senator, is science dangerous? Like, are you scared of science? And she changed the subject. Right. Which is what they're so good at. Or again, Senator Sanders going, no, don't talk to me about pharma. Millions, right? Or over and over, people demanding that he kiss the ring of pharma. Kiss the ring of pharma. That's what happened. That's what we all saw. Now, the trouble is, all of America didn't sit through both days of hearings like I did. So it's up to the Trump team and the RFP junior team to lift out those moments and tell that story. Really showcase. Guys, this is what you've got, you know, making decisions for your public health on Capitol Hill. And this was the guy who tried to talk to everyone about a poisoned food supply and sick kids.
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Steve Bannon
Was it evident? You know, you and Nicole Shanahan were both pretty big players. When did this? I know the revolution came to you a couple years ago, but I think it was so shocking, just the unhinged viciousness of this. And it's got to be more than money. It's got to be more than just big farmers. Bottom off. What is it? Because there's a personal vindictiveness. There's a personal hatred. It's just something that came through that's pretty shocked. Look, they went after Cash. They went after Tulsi. They went after Pete Hexit. They went after, you know, they go after these folks. They went after Matt Gaetz. Matt Gaetz may be borderline, but with this, it was on the stuff about pharma and vaccines and what they say is science. Why is it so vicious? Why is the vitriol so just up in your grill?
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Natalie Winters
It was really extraordinary. Wasn't. Was almost as if they were. It was almost ritualistic, honestly. It was like they were all kind of spitting and cursing something that they wanted to turn into anathema, right? Like something that would be cast out into outer darkness. Well, that's a great question. And you're right to notice that, because it wasn't very professional, Right? It wasn't very statesmanlike. It wasn't even, like, mean girls. It was something deep and nasty. All right, I'm gonna go there. I mean, I Think it was almost. It was almost like a spiritual battle in that room. And it was like, there's RFK Jr. And whatever, you know, whatever his. He's not a perfect person. None of us is. He's not even a perfect political figure. You know, I wish he would always. If I were advising him, I'd say, you know, say those million moms every other word. Right? I mean, he lets himself get drawn a little bit into rabbit holes that are not good for him when he just kind of stick to all the women and men outside of America who are worried about their kids. Like, that would be the winning play always. But nonetheless, this is someone who's really walking in truth. And everyone can feel it, right? They've tried everything to knock him off base. And this is. He's one of these people, and there are some of them in the world, you know, who have a mission. He knows what his mission is, and he's gonna do it, and he's gonna do it till he drops dead, you know, may he be 120. And I feel that these days with President Trump as well. I didn't used to. And, you know, there's no way to hide that. You know, it's a stillness or a light, and, you know, God's on his side. I mean, I'm just gonna say that. And so you had this room in which he's not the one who was cornered, all those evildoers were cornered, because he being there, bearing witness whether he wins or not, forces them to recognize whether it's on a conscious level or on a spiritual level. I'm the one who's walking with the serpent. You know, I'm the one who took the money to hurt the children. I'm the one who's trafficking in lies. And that's. I think that's why they became so unhinged and couldn't manage themselves. I think he reminded them of their idealistic, earlier selves and the gulf between where he stood in relation to the truth and caring about kids and where they know they've gone. And they know that he knows they've gone, which is why that last exchange with Senator Sanders was so interesting and fun to observe. I think that's what led them to lose control and to have that range of hectoring, bullying, hostile, nasty, almost spitting reactions to him. It certainly wasn't logical. And if they were right and he was wrong, they should just rest on their facts and present them right. That's not what we saw. We saw. It really reminded me of that, the play about the Salem witch trial where, you know, a whole community becomes infected with mania. I mean, it reminded me of. It was like a mass hysteria, but it was also kind of like a mass exorcism because no one has held a mirror up to their untruth and their cravenness about this. And they weren't free people. Right. His questioners, they were forced to say over and over nonsensical things like, will you swear and to cast the moms of America as idiotic buffoons. Right. Will you swear to restore the confidence of the moms of America in a system that they've completely seen through because thoroughly corrupt and were part of that corruption? Will you swear to use your voice to hoodwink them? That's what they were reduced to saying. And they had to because of the money that they've taken. And it may be that they had to because also that they're so scared of him and being so hostile to him because of the crimes they may have committed, which we can't know that he'll be in charge of finding out. If he does get nominated. I'm sorry. If he does get confirmed and has access to all those files.
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Steve Bannon
She refers to Arthur Miller's the Crucible for the Salem Witch Trials. I think it's a perfect, perfect, perfect analogy. Naomi, where can we get. I want to talk. I'll talk to you offline. I do want to do a compilation, and maybe we'd come back and have commentary. We'd really go through it because it's something to behold. And I think you're 1,000% correct, ma'am. Where do people go to get you?
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Natalie Winters
Naomi, thank you. Come to Daily Clout. Support us there. And I'm over on Substack with Outspoken. Thank you very much. It's so nice to see you all in the posse again.
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Steve Bannon
You are kind of outspoken. I think that's a pretty good title. Naomi Wolf. Thank you, ma'am.
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Natalie Winters
Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Throwing a pretty good punch there. Let me go. I'm going to change this up a little bit. I'm going to get to Natalie in a second. Let me go to. I've got Jim Rickards. Jim, we asked you to dial in today to the. To the Tulsi Gabbard and to the Cash Patel. I want to take, given your intelligence experience, Tulsi Gabbard, they came after her, not quite with the unsheathed viciousness against Bobby Kennedy, but it was pretty rough. I thought she did fantastic. Give me your unespurgated opinion on this.
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Jim Rickards
Yeah, I agree I think she did extremely well. And a lot of it was her demeanor. She was very calm. She was very composed. I mean, the senators are always trying to get you to take the bait and ask you these got you questions and yes, no, what's the answer? So she didn't take the bait on that. She gave very thoughtful answers. So I thought just. I give her a lot of points just for her demeanor, by the way. It's a good trait to have if you're going to be Director of Director of National Intelligence. They came after her on a number of points. One of them, of course, was Syria. The thing with Syria, meeting with Bashar al Assad. As I said last night, that's what spies do. You're supposed to go meet with, whether it's friend or enemy or however you regard them, you're supposed to go meet with people like that, heads of state. The opportunity just to talk to a foreign leader and come back with whatever you collected. That's what spies do. So that was a job well done by her. But why was she there? Why was she doing it? She was doing it because the accusation was being thrown around that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. Now, that was called into question. I wasn't there. I don't know if he used chemical weapons or not. I do know that prior to the war in Iraq, the intelligence community, I don't think they totally lied, although the White House probably lied. But the intelligence community badly bungled the assessment of wmd, so weapons of mass destruction. So when your track record is you couldn't figure out if Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction or not in Iraq. And in fact, they ran a. CIA, ran a couple operations that were extremely, extremely well done, where Iraqis living in the United States went back and talked to relatives and gathered information. They risked their lives and they came back and said, he doesn't have them. And then inside the intelligence community, they said, no, they were just lying to you. He actually does. I mean, that was badly bungled. So for Tulsi to Tulsi Gabbard to question some assessment of the use of weapons of mass destruction, which is what chemical weapons are, that's not unreasonable. And like I say, she got to meet with head of state. So I consider that, you know, from a clandestine, not even clandestine, but just an operations point of view, you know, mission accomplished, job well done. But they were beating her up on that. But that wasn't the main thing. Then they went on and on. You know, they had what Nancy Pelosi calls The rap smear. They just smear you, and then they wrap you in, and they just repeat it and repeat it, and you get branded, you know, substances irrelevant at that point. So they ran the Russian asset playbook. You know, you agree with Putin, so you're a Russian asset. You know, Russia, Russia, Russia kind of thing. Here's the thing. I studied this very closely. I've spent enormous amount of time on the Ukraine war. Putin's analysis of the war in Ukraine is exactly right. Russia is winning. They're making progress on the ground slowly. That's the Russian way of war, but they're making progress. Ukrainian armed forces are collapsing. Russia has basically laid off a little bit. They haven't done everything they're capable of doing because they're hoping that Trump reaches out. That's a whole separate issue as to how the White House is handling it. But when Tulsi Gabbard says, I think Putin's got this right, or I agree with Putin, that doesn't make you a Putin puppet. It means you're pretty good intelligence analyst. I would say the people who've got it wrong are the US Intelligence community, and they've got a lot of things wrong over the years, and certainly the press, New York Times, and others are just printing lies and basically reprinting Ukrainian propaganda. But to say, so Putin, by the way, was an intelligence officer, KGB officer in East Germany. When Putin gets it right, and you look at it objectively, not pro Russia, I'm pro United States. I'm not pro Russia. But I'm an objective analyst. When I look at Putin, I look at what's going on on the ground from other sources in the UK And Romania and elsewhere and say, you know, Putin's got this right. That doesn't make you a Putin asset. It just means you're a good intelligence analyst. So I give her credit for that. But again, they try to beat her up on that. That's one of these smear raps, I think, the 702 point that basically section of statute that gives the NSA the ability to do mass collections of foreign intelligence, that's probably okay. I mean, they certainly do it. But the problem is it's been abused. Because if an American is talking to someone in, you know, basically anywhere else in the world doesn't have to be Russia. It could be Europe or anywhere else. And they say, well, we're only monitoring foreign communications. Yeah, but if Americans are the other end, you're monitoring Americans. And that was the abuse. And we saw that in the original Russia hoax in Trump's first term. She wanted to modify that. She wanted some warrant requirements. She wanted some witness requirements, et cetera, to get a FISA warrant to be able to do that. And the deep state is completely opposed to that. She's modified her views just enough on that. So I think she's okay there. And the fourth one is. Well, sorry, the fourth one is the war in Ukraine. We talked a little bit about that. I think the key vote is going to be Lindsey Graham, by the way. I think she's going to be confirmed, but it's because she. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang.
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Steve Bannon
On, hang on, hang on. Let's not talk about your votes. I want to go back and we're going to hold you through the break. And we get Natalie going to give us an update from the White House was a big part of this because what. And the parts I could watch because we did the president's thing also. And then we had a couple of meetings here where I got back and saw some highlight reels. They are incensed about her position in the Ukraine war, which is the war's position, I think President Trump's position. The people that thought with Mearsheimer that they were going to lead the Ukrainian people down to their destruction, the unhinged attacks on her, I thought about the Ukraine. This was really more than just intelligence. And they kept saying, she's not qualified, she's not top of the material. This really became kind of a referendum on the Ukraine war, did it not? I mean, you could tell they were hitting that hard, sir.
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Jim Rickards
It did. You're absolutely right. But here's the thing. The Director of National Intelligence is not going to decide policy in Ukraine. So she's against the war, I'm against the war. I'd like to see a piece and you could have it if with a couple phone calls, but we haven't seen that forthcoming yet. But the conduct of the war in Ukraine is going to be decided in the White House, National Security Council, Mike Walsh, Pete Hegseth from the Department of Defense, Trump himself, of course, I think J.D. vance will weigh in and a few others, and Marco Rubio. But that team, State Department, Defense Department, the White House, National Security Security Council, they are going to decide the course of the war in Ukraine. The intelligence community, I mean, apart from, you know, clandestine operations and some other stuff that goes on, they're, they don't, they're not supposed to decide policy. They're supposed to provide good intelligence. They don't always do that, but they're supposed to provide good Intelligence, and then the policymakers make their decisions. So the ODNI will be. Will play a very important role in terms of coordinating the product of the intelligence community in the President's daily brief. But they're not going to decide policy. So if you're really.
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Steve Bannon
But don't. But then. But Jim, isn't that the problem today is that they're terrible at their main function, which is the collection of intelligence and counter operations. But they're fantastic on what they see as policy. This how the deep state, the interagency process is the way the CIA controls the deal. And DNIs always look the other way. Isn't that the heart of the matter?
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Jim Rickards
Yeah, you're right. They bungle the job. They're supposed to. They bungled the intelligence collections in many cases where they come up with. They get good collections and they do lousy analysis because they ignore what's in front of them. But they're not supposed to decide policy. But they do. You're right, Steve. They basically twist the intelligence collections and twist the intelligence analysis in such a way that it steers policy in a certain direction. And nobody was more guilty of that than kind of what was going on with Iran, with Brennan. So, yeah, it's a serious problem. And I think Tulsi will. Gabbard, will put an end to that and perform the role you're supposed to do, which is be a really good collector, good analyst, and present the President with the best possible intelligence and then let them decide policy. But my point was, if you're a warmonger and you want the war to continue, you're going to have to basically, you're going to have to rely on Mike Walson and Mark Rubio and Hegseth more so than the intelligence community.
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Steve Bannon
Right. I want to hold you through the break. I want to deal Snowden. Why is Snowden. Give me a minute here before we go to break, and then we'll bring you back. Why is Snowden so big and there's so many questions about her relationship with Snowden and her thinking of Snowden?
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Jim Rickards
Yeah, they turned into a legal seminar. They said, he's a traitor. He's a traitor. We want you to say he's a traitor. And she said he broke the law. Treason is a very specific crime against capital punishment. So you can be a lawbreaker without being guilty of treason. Now, you know, I don't want to judge the case. I think. I think Snowden's getting the worst punishment I can think of, which is having to spend your whole life in Russia. And not being able to get back to the United States. That's what happened to Ken Philby, by the way. I've been to Russia. It's a beautiful country, but it was nice to come home. And he can't come home, so he's kind of in a prison of his own making. But the real objection to Snowden is not the treason claim, it's that he exposed collections on U.S. citizens. And that was what that's what they're upset about because they do that all the time.
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Steve Bannon
I want to pick back up on that very point. That's the heart of that matter matter. Short commercial break Jim Rickards here with Tulsi about Tulsi and cash. We've got a report from our own Natalie Winters and another explosive day at the White House. Short break, back in a moment. Johnny Khan will take you out with American Heart.
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Unknown
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Of a huge change that could be coming to our money in our bank accounts. First, think back to 9 11, shortly after the government pushed through the Patriot Act. This gave the government power to spy on innocent Americans by monitoring our phone and email and tracking our movement across the Internet. Now Jim Rickards, editor of the independent financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence and New York Times best selling author, is warning about a coming event that could elevate this governmental surveillance to a terrifying new level. In fact, some of the guests I've had on the War Room believe that the government will soon expand their powers to track our every move. If we say the wrong things on social media, donate to the wrong causes, buy firearms, or even vote maga, the government may be able to shut us out of our bank accounts. I can't say for sure if this will happen, but it's an interesting and dire warning. Fortunately, Jim Rickards, an American patriot and friend of mine, has made it his mission to educate us on what he believes is coming and how to protect yourself from the possibility of of programmable money. Watch Jim's warning video now before it's censored like I've been in the past. Go to rickards war room.com that's rickardswarroom.com now to see the video.
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Natalie Winters
War Room.
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Steve Bannon
Here'S your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay birchgold.com, enter the Dollar Empire. Modern Monetary Theory birchgold.com Bannon Lots to Talk about there tomorrow. So Snowden, it's quite complicated. Snowden. But the reason they hate him, and I'm not saying the reason they hate him is that he disclosed that they were spying on American citizens. Is that it?
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Jim Rickards
JIM RICKARDS that's exactly right. And Tulsi Gabbard is not supporting, you know, leakers or traders or anything of the kind. She's supporting American civil rights and civil liberties. And so it's a two sided coin. Again, you don't have to defend Snowden to condemn what he exposed. And that's where she was coming from. She cares about American liberties, about civil rights, about not being put under surveillance without warrant, without due process of law. And that was her qualification. She didn't want to go so far as to say he was a traitor. She did say he was a lawbreaker, which is pretty clear. But she was exposing something they don't want exposed. They rely on that ability to, I mean, the whole idea since 1947, the CIA is not allowed to spy on Americans. Well, tell me they don't. I mean, they do it all the time, but they have, you know, they have challenge to the FBI and lots of ways of doing it. And this was just one more channel and she's trying to blow it up. And I think she's right. Well, she is right. So that'll take time. But she, it got kind of converted into this statutory change where she did show some support. And the thing is, if you win, there'll be time to change it. So I think she'll have the last word there, but she was just trying.
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Steve Bannon
To kind of get through the day okay. You're a, a guy that's got a lot of common sense and judgment. The odds on Tulsi right now of getting out of committee and getting to the floor and getting floored, this one hung in the balance. They thought this is the, this is the weakest pup in the litter. Your thoughts as she concluded this day, sir?
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Jim Rickards
Yep. I think she gets confirmed and I think that the key vote who is not on the committee but is going to be a part of this is Lindsey Graham. If he, you know, you guys understand the, when you're in your third term or certainly fourth term or more, you join in the Senate, you join a group called the Old Bulls. It doesn't matter if they're men or women or Republican or conservative, you're one of the Old Bulls. And Lindsey Graham qualifies on that count. And by supporting Tulsi, that will give, in effect, air cover to the other votes that she needs. We have 53 senators. You can lose three and still win account 10 rhinos, Tillis, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Langford Cassidy, Mitch McConnell, Joni Ernst, Cornyn Barroso, and Thune. I think Ernst, Cornyn, Barroso, and Thune are all yes votes. They'll vote to confirm her. I mean, they're the leadership. How can the leadership turn their back? Maybe we give Collins a pass because we don't want a Democrat senator from Maine. Tillis is fine. He said so at the. I'm sorry, that was on Cash, but he's okay. So it really kind of comes down to langford, Cassidy and McConnell. I think they'll all line up, but I think Lindsey Graham gives them air cover.
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Steve Bannon
Let's talk about Cash. We'll spend a couple of minutes on Cash. Your assessment of Cash Patel today? They came at Cash pretty hard. Your assessment, sir?
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Jim Rickards
They did, but there's an old saying. In your combat or any kind of battle, if you're winners, they say he was fortunate in his choice of enemies. And, yeah, they threw everything they could at Cash. But when your biggest opponents, the people trying to rip you apart, are Adam Schiff and Sheldon Whitehouse, you're in pretty good shape. I mean, the thing with Schiff was hilarious, actually. Started talking about you and War Room, but there was. I don't know all the details, but they did some musical production. And Schiff was pounding Cash on this because of some of the protection participants, et cetera. And he said, you did this and you did that. And Cash said, no, I didn't. I didn't say that. I said, we did. He goes, well, we includes you. And he goes, well, not necessarily. It could have been a team thing. They got way bogged down in this discussion of what the word we means. And I came up with the. This was from the record. They called. They had the royal we, the proverbial we, which is sort of metaphorical, and the literal we, which was our shift, was doing. But all I could think of, of course, is Bill Clinton when he said he was defending himself by saying, well, it all depends on what the meaning of the word is is. And he was toast after that. I mean, you didn't have to be a lawyer. Just know he tangled himself in knots. And when you start splitting words like that, the everyday American just writes you off. So I think Schiff, who was, you know, censured, by the way, serial liar, that kind of turned into a joke. But it did start with they mentioned. And then Sheldon Whitehouse. Yeah, Sheldon Whitehouse just Got into this whole thing with, can you discuss grand jury testimony or not? I'm a lawyer. One thing I know is if there's a rule, there's an exception. An exception to the exception. So there was no solicitor general there to clear it all up from everybody. So they just wasted time going down these dead ends. Chris Coons is just not a vicious attack dog. I mean, he's not supporting Cash, but he's, he's just not the kind to go for the throat. And at the end, I heard actually some, I'll say, conciliatory comments from Dick Durbin, who's, who is the head of the ranking member on the committee and some others. So I think, I think Cash is in the clear. I would say one more thing. Let's talk about strategic Grassley. Grassley's the key. Grassley is the old bull who will give everyone else air cover.
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Steve Bannon
Old bull, he did. I taught the team here, the youngsters, that when Grassley, he's trained the old fashioned way. When they bang up, when the Democrats bang up Cash, when they go back to Grassley, he always has more FBI signed letters to put in there. That's a guy who knows how to run a committee. He's always putting the salve on the wound when they come back. That is old school right there. And I thought he was, I thought Grassley was magnificent to. And at 91 years old, he can really run the deal. Strategic Intelligence. Why now more than ever when it feels like, you know, I think Leonard was the one that said there are decades in which nothing happens and there are weeks in which decades happen. We're in one of the. We're in those weeks where decades are happening. Why do they need strategic intelligence now more than ever?
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Jim Rickards
Sir, thanks. You can find it at rickardswarroom.com rickardswarroom.com is our landing page. Strategic Intelligence is our flagship newsletter. We have 7 or 8,000 words a month, 12 issues, 12 months as a one year subscription. We put everything into it. We have some other specialized newsletters, but if you just want the overview, our forecasting record is excellent. I'll go all the way back. 2016, we said that the UK would vote for Brexit. The odds were 70% against us. 2016, we said Trump would win. When it was 95% Hillary. 2023, we said Biden would not be the nominee. That was a year, almost a year before he actually withdrew. And we got the electoral forecast on Trump to the penny. 312 electoral votes. So we'll go by our track record. And we just keep doing that. We keep leaning forward. We do not regurgitate the news. We say what's next, what's coming and what do readers need to know?
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Steve Bannon
Jim Rickards, one more time, where do people go? I want people to get very accustomed to your thinking because you're a key part of this going forward. Sir, thank you.
- [39:19]
Jim Rickards
It's rickardswarroom.com rickardswarroom.com and you'll find everything you need to know and learn more about it and some videos and how to subscribe. And we welcome people aboard.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you, brother. Appreciate you coming on tonight, spending day two with us on this hearings.
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Jim Rickards
Thanks.
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Steve Bannon
Natalie Winders now joins. Natalie, I want to go back to the I want to go to the confirmation hearings we've had. You know, Nicole and Naomi and Mary come on and say, hey, obviously he took some incoming, but Bobby Kennedy is going to get through. You've had the Jim Rickards, one of the smartest guys around, said, look, Tulsi dinged up a little bit. She's going to get through and the cash is going to get through. What's your sense being around the White House? Is that shared down in the White House that we're making momentum? We got to get these committee votes and go, are they more worried tonight than they were going in?
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Naomi Wolf
I don't feel the same sense of worry that there was around the Hegseth confirmation, obviously hearing and now Secretary Pete Hagseth. But I think to answer your question, I won't just give you my opinion. I think I was sort of going through all the legacy media outlets the way that they've been covering essentially all these hearings. And I think the Politico front page sort of speaks to to I think what the two previous guests were talking about. The lead is, of course, Tulsi. Then there's a separate story. Then one down is cash. And below that is RFK Jr. Which I think is sort of the inverse order of their, I would say priorities in terms of concern about who's going to be confirmed and who sort of had the best, I think hearing best showing today. I think Tulsi really threw down effectively, but you know, to get very granular. For example, there was a story that they put up in the subheading about rfk and the headline on it was anti abortion groups like what they heard from RFK Jr. Now, if they were really, really melting down and concerned about the prospect of a secretary rfk, they would not be phrasing those headlines like that.
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Natalie Winters
Right.
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Naomi Wolf
They would be saying, oh my gosh, all these crazy pro, you know, abortion activists needs to be burning down the phone lines and it's sort of a five alarm fire. But that's not necessarily what you're seeing now. I think that that sort of begs the question, is that more a symptom or function of the fact that they think that these nominees are dead on arrival, that they're not going to necessarily get through, though I would sort of put that construct more applicable, I think Most applicable to RFK Jr. I think cash had a very solid, I think appearance today in hearing, so did Tulsi. But I also think too, I mean, as someone who consumes more MSNBC than probably your average far lefty out there, they're very, very honed in and keen on this idea of not taking the bait on every single Trump story nominee comment. So I don't know if it's sort of selective outrage from the media, in other words. I think maybe they learned their lesson, frankly from the whole Pete Hegseth debacle where the more that they force the issue and covering it and melt down, I think the more cover and sort of ground cover, rather that it gives to sort of squishy Republican senators to say, well, look, the mainstream media is opposing them, so therefore you must support them. So I did not certainly feel a lot of oh my gosh, these people are going to get confirmed as a sentiment from the press score today. I think they were, I mean, obviously more focused on what happened with the helicopter and plane crash. But I don't know if it's something that's more calculated or because they feel like it's not worth their time to stress over it because they think it's not going to happen.
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Steve Bannon
You talk about not taking the bait. This is critical for the Maddow crowd and for the resistance movement. They couldn't correct me if I'm wrong. They did take the, they couldn't help themselves in the presser today. This is classic Trump coming in and throwing down hard and you could just tell the foaming of the mouth. They couldn't help themselves. They bit on this press conference on this presser day where he gave a press briefing down in the actual press briefing room, ma'am.
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Naomi Wolf
Of course they did. And to that point, I want to read everyone the headline kind of triaging what happened. Obviously very close to us from Politico. It's Trump's disaster playbook. Blame Democrats and politicized tragedy. And you go through and it's basically like you said, taking the bait Saying, oh, evil trouble, Trump dared to talk about, you know, wokeness and DEI and affirmative action hiring, of course. We're now learning as we're coming to air that the helicopter pilot was, I believe, a woman, a biological woman at that, with about 500 hours of experience. Trump, of course, had the moment that went super viral from the press conference today, where he noted that prior to him, I guess it's the haunting legacy of the Biden regime that a lot, lot of the people that the FAA was trying to hire were, of course, minorities and diversity hires, but even people who were intellectually disabled. I mean, talk about wokeness. That's like a whole new tier of just absolute absurdity. But look, Steve, I think that from what I saw at the press conference today, and President Trump was even asked about this, this makes the case all the more clear why President Trump needs all of his nominees confirmed swiftly and hastily. Because we need people to get in there, not even to be able to necessarily fix these problems on day one, but just to be able to triage these problems. Thank God we have, you know, Sean Duffy in there and transportation and Pete Hagseth over at Defense. But this is why President Trump needs to have not just the cabinet that he's chosen and selected, but he needs it imminently and urgently. Because every day, every second that goes by, you're allowing that cancer that is Joe Biden and his legacy of incompetence and wokeness to metastasize. And we need President Trump to step in there and his nominees to be able to have the power and authority to fix it.
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Steve Bannon
Now, talk to me about this immigration story. What do you got for us?
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Naomi Wolf
Yeah, this is something that I just wanted to flag for people. I'm going to be drilling down on this, but there's obviously a lot of lawsuits that have been coming out to sort of halt these mass deportation programs. Obviously, the ACLU has been filing a ton of FOIAs. They've been leaking it to the media. They've been trying to bully state and local officials into not cooperating with local law enforcement, with ice, even to the point that they're actually not even wanting all these state level officials to cooperate. Even with terrorism task forces, even just petty crimes. They, I guess, wouldn't want ICE to cooperate. Even if you're talking about child rapists and murderers, any criminal. They want absolutely no collaboration going on. But there was a lawsuit that was brought. So this is sort of the lawfare aspect of it, not just the media propaganda and, you know, fear porn angle to it. But this was brought on behalf of an organization called make the Road New York. So the ACLU was suing on their behalf. And why this group is so interested. Interesting. It's, of course, affiliated and has taken money from the Open Society Foundations, the Rockefeller Trust, all those sort of left wing NGOs that you always see. But just their filings from the most recent fiscal year of 2023 show that they've received over $16 million in government grants. And why is that important? Because that means that the groups, the lawfare hacks that are sort of the tip of the spear of the legal resistance to President Trump's immigration, immigration agenda are being bankrolled by your taxpayer dollars. And to that point, I think it raises the question, frankly, the red alarm of what the Biden regime was doing for these last four years in terms of giving these groups, these entities sort of a war chest to be able to go into battle against President Trump and his immigration agenda. Like I said, over $16 million in just one year from government grants, both federal and state.
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Natalie Winters
State.
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Naomi Wolf
But these are the bad, nefarious actors that are sort of waging the immigration lawfare against the Trump administration. They're not just, you know, mom and pop immigrant activist groups. These are federally funded organizations that, frankly, I think President Trump needs to rip any of these active grants. When I get in the press briefing room next, if I have the chance to ask a question, that's something I'd certainly bring up. But the fact that a lot of this resistance is taxpayer subsidized is something that we're going to be covering and that I'm going to be drilling down on.
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Steve Bannon
As you know, the Daily Mail is one of our favorite papers. Right. It's not always maga, it's not always Trump, but it's got a great collection of, you know, between culture and pop culture and celebrities and different types of news, they covered the pandemic widely. They cover President Trump wall to wall. They cover the MAGA movie now wall tomorrow. Tell me about this article about our White House corresponding. Natalie Winters, what's this piece about?
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Naomi Wolf
Well, apparently I've, what, been on the job for 48 hours and I'm already a, quote, controversial White House correspondent. You won't believe this, but they were attacking me for the sweater that I wore the first day. The what? Black cashmere sweater with a white Peter Pan collar. Apparently that is a no go zone for the mainstream media. But all jokes aside, you know, I and this audience will take no lectures on what aesthetics should be from a media industrial complex. And just in general, establishment media that thinks that transgenderism and obesity and grooming and pedophilia is something that should be prioritized and processed across this wonderful country like they what did for the last four years, I'm sure everyone has burned into their mind the images of what the transgender influencers flashing their weird chests on the White House lawn. I don't think anyone had to apologize for that. But more, more precisely to this this point, obviously I could sit here and dunk on the dysgenic stuff that I've been witnessing every day. I will. But before we get to that, I mean, look, Steve, they've tried to shut down this show every single way that they can. The kitchen sink and more. From throwing you in prison to censoring us, to de platforming us, to debanking us, to ripping us off every podcast chart known to man. And now that we won and that these stupid outlets and entities and cutouts like the Global Disinformation Index that they've weaponized to come after us, that President Trump has defunded and exposed and gone after, now that they no longer can smear us for being agents of misinformation. Someone who has a master's degree in journalism at the Daily Mail now to discredit this show and myself is going to write a what, thousand word article criticizing me, trying to make me look like a vapid dumb bimbo for wearing a sweater. And I have news for those people. If you want to attack or impugn my work for what I choose to wear, have fun covering my wardrobe choices for the next four years while you sit in a stupid cubicle as a low level reporter for the Daily Mail. I'll be in the White House press briefing room co hosting one of the most influential podcasts that has ever existed in the history of this country. Just ask. I don't know, Peter Daschak, Kevin McCarthy, or preemptively pardoned Anthony Fauci. And by the way, you're welcome for that because it was our work that led to that pardon. So absolutely disgusting. I'm not even going to sit here and play the sexist card. I don't care. I'm above that. But it just shows you now that they can't attack us for spreading misinformation because why we've been right now they're going to say that they don't like my sweater. So have at it. Have fun covering my wardrobe for the next four years.
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Steve Bannon
Natalie Winners, where do we get you? We know where you get you. On TV and on podcast right here. Where do we get you on social media, ma'am?
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Naomi Wolf
Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms. And for those wondering, the sweater was from Alice and Olivia. So I hope the Daily Mail can maybe go buy that sweater. Although I don't know if the writer who wrote it could necessarily fit into it or look that good. So.
- [51:12]
Steve Bannon
Whoa, full mean girl. What about, what about your own fashion line? Where do folks go for that?
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Naomi Wolf
Oh yeah, she so right. Dot co I guess officially certified that the mainstream media hates it. I'll take it.
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Steve Bannon
Ma'Am. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Natalie, go back to work as she always does right now. Couldn't be a better day to leave with Philip Kaufman's masterpiece based upon the book that was a masterpiece by Tom Wolf from my neighborhood neighborhood back in Richmond, Virginia. And the Conti's magnificent score. We're going to leave you with the right stuff. We'll see you back here at 10am.
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Unknown
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Steve Bannon
It's going to be another grind as the days of thunder continue for President Trump. TRUMP 47 See you tomorrow.
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