Laura Loomer (2:59)

We have two of those, Rachel. I think we'll talk more about one of them, which was the fact that the Church has been covering up for sexual abuse within its own institution for decades and decades and decades. And McElroy has been one of the most offensive people for covering up sexual abuse.

Stephen K. Bannon (3:17)

In fact, it was the sexual abuse.

Laura Loomer (3:18)

Of Rachel that was. He covered up one of the instances. He also covered up for McCarrick. So we're extremely disappointed that McElroy is here in D.C. when he is guilty of the very thing that the Church should be most energetic in getting out of its. And then it's receiving billions of dollars from the government to settle refugees and immigrants. And again, with its record for preying on children, 300,000 children are missing. And the Church has been accused of accusing them and not doing their due diligence and due care of these people. And what are they doing? They're just saying, trust us, trust us, we're very trustworthy. Instead of saying, look, here's my books.

Stephen K. Bannon (4:06)

Let me show you the books.

Laura Loomer (4:07)

This is what we've done.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (4:08)

This is.

Stephen K. Bannon (4:09)

Hang on a second. And Kevin, I think you got to get the microphone a little closer. It's a little windy. But here's a question. You're an observant. You're an observant Catholic. What is it that you're actually asking? You're writing a letter to the vice President of the United States, who is a convert to Catholicism, and you're asking him to begin or have the Justice Department do a racketeering investigation against the Catholic bishops. I just want to make sure I hear that right. You're an observant Catholic. You're writing to the vice President, United States, who's a Catholic convert, to ask him to get the Justice Department to do an investigation of the US Catholic bishops on a racketeering charge. Ma'am.

Laura Loomer (4:50)

Yes, sir. And I'm not the first one. There's actually been quite a long line of people who were asked for the same thing because they absolutely have no transparency. You know, they subcontract a lot of this work to other organizations. In fact, it's been shown by many studies that these organizations don't comply with, are not coherent with Catholic teaching on morality. We don't know what the heck else they're doing because it doesn't seem like they're keeping records, or at least they're not showing us the records. So we have had no success for many decades trying to get the Church to be transparent.

Kevin Bosovic (5:27)

Tax taxpayers deserve accountability and we want to see the transparency where our money's going. And we have movies like Mother Cabrini being released last year, all about orphanages and, and how we take care of immigrants in the United States. But now we have 300,000 children missing. Like, where's all the orphanages, Steve? Like, where are all those videos of children being taken care of today? You don't see it?

Stephen K. Bannon (5:50)

Okay, let, let me, let me, let me ask Rachel. Rachel, you've, I think, help organize this protest today. Why? You're an observant Catholic. Why would you protest a cardinal on his investor today coming and taking over one of the most powerful, you know, archdiocese. He'd be one of the most powerful cardinals with direct access to the White House. Ma'am.

Dr. Janet Smith (6:12)

Well, like you, I'm a devout Catholic. And Jesus Christ is my King, Mary is my queen. And if there's one thing that I do, I tell the truth. And the truth is that Cardinal McElroy was criminally complicit in covering up my rape, which took place in the summer of 2010. And it was not an ordinary rape. It was a ritual rape. And I was being primed for a black Mass. I work very closely with Father Ripperger's team. He's the foremost exorcist in the United States of America. And my case is not an isolated instance. It's not an isolated situation. And my conscience compels me to speak up and to just stand here today and to pray my rosary and to just look these cardinals dead in the eye. And just my presence alone, I hope, calls them to repentance and calls them to conversion. And because we all will die and we all will face Jesus Christ one day. And the Church needs to be purified. So we came here today to stand for the purification of Holy Mother Church.

Stephen K. Bannon (7:31)

I just want to make sure I got this right. You were actually forcibly part of a black Mass and you presented that evidence to church officials and church officials did nothing with it? Is that what you're complaint is against church hierarchy?

Dr. Janet Smith (7:45)

Ma'am, I was ritually raped within the context of the holy sacrifice of the Mass. It was not an actual black Mass. However, it was preparation for one. What happened to me was a felony crime and I ended up going to criminal court in my, my abuser, which was a Catholic priest of the Diocese of San Diego. His name was Father Jacob Bertrand. He was found guilty in criminal court. And Cardinal McElroy covered it up. He stonewalled the police. He never presented the evidence. They had documentation. They kept it hidden. And the Wall Street Journal actually reported on this in 2018 after the criminal proceedings the Wall Street Journal reported on Cardinal McElroy's cross criminal complicity in my abuse case and it was a ritual abuse case. So he's, he was coming up covering up for the devil.

Stephen K. Bannon (8:48)

Can I go back? I want to ask about this 300,000. Give me, cite me the evidence because it's been repeated throughout the day and I want to make sure that we can back it up. What is the evidence or what is Your claim? About 300,000 unaccompanied minors that came in through the auspices of Catholic Charities or something related to the Church that can't be found today?

Laura Loomer (9:11)

Honestly, I, I've just read it in innumerable news sources, some from the government and I, I, I can't give you right now a source will send one in to you. But it, it is the figure that's given. I mean I, I saw more precisely 2,675, I think in one article but. Oh wow, that, that seemed, it seems to be at least that many. All right. And I, I just find it hard to believe you can lose track of kids. I mean these kids have probably already been abused on their way here. All right. And then they get here videos on online of children being put into vans. Yeah.

Stephen K. Bannon (9:54)

When you approach church officials about your problems with Cardinal McElroy, have you gotten any access? Have people just blown you off? They don't want to hear it. Have they listened to your complaints? And we'll get back to you. What has been the reception of actually the official side of the church, not advocacy groups and not people that are just concerned Catholics, but I mean the official apparatus of the Catholic Church, what has it been?

Laura Loomer (10:18)

Yeah, well, as you remember at the Dallas charter in the early 2000s when they put into place opportunities and mechanisms for reporting abuse of pedophiles within the church, they exempted themselves. The bishops exempted themselves. And McCarrick was really very much in charge of that whole decision making project to exempt the bishops from having a review process. Fast forward many years, people are angry at this because there are bishops who have abused and covered up and where do we report them? So they put up a system called Vos Estes where you can go online and make a report. And I've helped several victims do that. I've looked at the documentation which is just, it's, you know, they've got reports from psychologists and other people that have, can testify to these priests being predators and they never even hear back. They'll make like, six, seven calls to the office, and that. That they're supposed to call to get information. They hear nothing back. All right, so very famous priest, Father Richard, a former priest, Richard Syke, he was a psychologist. He looked deeply into homosexuality in the. In the priesthood and abuse. And he took a long report to McElroy in San Diego and said, I have information that McCary has abused 12, 12 young men. And he. He would not take the report forward. There's an article about it in the National Catholic Reporter, which I suspect is just filled with lies. McElroy is saying, well, he didn't bring the right kind of evidence, and I didn't like his behavior. Well, Seipe is dead, so he can't defend himself on this. But it fits with everything else we know about McCarrick. It's not like, whoa, this can't be true. I say, yes, it is true.

Stephen K. Bannon (12:21)

Yeah. Last thing, Rachel. What are you asking now of the Church? What is your. Since he was. He's now the cardinal for the Archdiocese of Washington, he's a power player. He'll have access to the White House. What is your ask of the official establishment of the Catholic Church, ma'am?

Dr. Janet Smith (12:41)

Well, let me be clear. I have gone to the very top. In September, September of this past year, September 30th, I wrote a letter to Pope Francis and I sent it through Cardinal Pierre, the papal nuncio, to make sure that it would reach the Holy Father. And I made known my entire situation and the fact that my case actually went through the criminal courts. And I pleaded with the Holy Father not, you know, to do the right thing, you know, and yet he still promoted Cardinal McElroy. You should have been demoted. He should be living his life, you know, in prayer and penance, yet he was promoted here and installed today in D.C. so I have done everything in my power to plead with church officials at the very highest echelons. And so here I am today. I trust in the Mother of God. I have a devotion to Our lady of Fatima. And so I plead with Catholics and people who pray to fast and to pray at this point. You know, in many ways, I place my hope in Jesus and Our lady, and something miraculous may need to occur. But I'm hoping that our government can help cleanse this temple of these vipers.

Laura Loomer (14:12)

One of the.

Stephen K. Bannon (14:13)

Rachel, hang on one second. Rachel, what's your social media? We got to bounce. Rachel, what's your social media? Where do people go? Or your website?

Dr. Janet Smith (14:21)

Rachel. Maria Mastro Giacomo. I'm on Facebook. I have a website And I just joined X.

Stephen K. Bannon (14:30)

And what is it? What's the website?

Dr. Janet Smith (14:33)

It's rachelmariamastragiacomo.com.

Stephen K. Bannon (14:38)

Okay, we'll get that and we'll put it in the chat room. Ma'am, your social media and website, where do people go to find out more about your efforts here?

Laura Loomer (14:45)

I have a JanetSmith.org website, but I'm very active on Facebook, so I have a lot of followers there. That's where I put post, I repost stuff on X. I'm actually, yeah, Janet Smith on there.

Stephen K. Bannon (15:00)

Okay, Janet, we'll make sure we push it out to all in our chat rooms and to all our social media. Kevin, where do people go to get this? Quite a historic day for you. Many concerned Catholics really opposing this new cardinal. And we didn't even get to the, to the open border side. Kevin, where do people go for you?

Kevin Bosovic (15:21)

You can follow me on X and Instagram at Kev or kevinpesovic and yeah, keep, keep up to date on the latest. I'm personally looking to be more involved with these two ladies and see what we can uncover. I'd like to see maybe Cardinal McElroy himself lead the way here and start sharing information as their financials and what they're doing with some of this funding forward.

Stephen K. Bannon (15:47)

Kevin, Kevin, for Rachel and Janet, we'll get back in touch with him. I'm going to follow both these stories and have them back on when it's not so windy. But we want to thank them for joining us from out there, the basilica. And thanks for putting on the protests today. Amazing. Stunning, quite frankly. Thank you, guys. Laura Loomer, if you think it's, you think that was crazy in D.C. wait till you see what's happening in New York City. We have a cold open for Laura Luma. Let's go ahead and play and bring Laura in. This is the View in.

Laura Loomer (16:37)

Well, it was the View in Manhattan's.

Stephen K. Bannon (16:39)

Washington Square park where outrage is growing. There it is again over the ice arrest of Mahmoud Khalil, the permanent US Resident with a green card who helped organize protests against the war in Gaza while attending Columbia University.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (16:52)

NBC's Emily Ikeda is in New York for us.

Stephen K. Bannon (16:55)

So, Emily, he has still not been.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (16:57)

Charged with anything, the last I heard.

Stephen K. Bannon (17:00)

And overnight a judge actually blocked his deportation.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (17:04)

What are you hearing from protesters today?

Emily Ikeda (17:09)

Hey there, Chris. Well, you can see some of the anger and outrage that is spilled over onto sidewalks and streets and protests like this, not just here in New York City, but they're also planned for cities across the country, including Chicago. And across the country in California, behind me, you'll hear chanting. It's a mixture of students and faculty from nearby universities. We're standing around the corner from NYU and people with various organizations. There is a petition that has garnered more than 2 million signatures calling for Khalil's release since he was arrested on Saturday night from his university owned apartment in front of his wife, remember, who is eight months pregnant. We learned from court documents that Khalil actually had some concern leading into the days ahead of his arrest. He reached out, according to those court documents, to the Columbia interim president, saying that he was fearful falling asleep. He was fearful that he might be arrested by ice. His wife speaking out in a statement for the first time urging people to, to express understanding that she wants him to be released so that he can be by her side for the birth of their child. We are learning that he is not expected to appear in court here in New York City for that detention hearing tomorrow. Meantime, we are also hearing from the White House press secretary speaking out on this, saying that he was arrested, arrested under the Immigration and Nationality act, saying he harassed Jewish American students and that he handed out pro Hamas propaganda. The Anti Defamation League also applauding the Trump administration's efforts. Meantime, Columbia University, by the way, you may remember last week it was announced that that university would see a major cut to their funding, some $400 million because of what they allege was ongoing anti Semitism. Other universities across the country, Chris, are also under investigation as we continue to watch these protests in reaction to Khalil's arrest play out here and across the country.

Stephen K. Bannon (19:04)

Okay? See how over the top and crazy it is. Down with the Catholics in Washington, D.C. you have an open borders, you know, cardinal that's vehemently anti Trump, has been known to be anti Trump. The pope picks him, has got this whole issue about these children. And it's just, it's a, it's a complete mess and quite frankly, frankly, an embarrassment to the church. And that's why we have so many great Catholics out there today. I actually think the situation in New York City may be actually crazier. Laura Loomer joins us. Laura just hit a reset. What President Trump has done is hit Barnard College. And the question people have is how can these haters and terrorists be on the faculty and be teaching kids and be graduate students up at these places like Barnard and Columbia? Columbia is a cesspool. It is a festering sore up there. What's going on? I know you've been all over it and you've been highly criticized by a very, a lot of progressive Jewish organization. So just do a reset. What actually has happened and what brought us here today.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (19:59)

Well, thanks for having me on, Steve. What we're seeing right now is the illness. I call it a mental illness. Really, it's a form of Stockholm syndrome. If you'd entertain this, Steve, that exists within the Jewish community. Unfortunately, we have a situation in our country where over 80% of Jewish people living here vote Democrat and they are enabling and supporting and really, you know, locking arms and locking hands with people who want to kill them. And so the reason why we've seen such a rise in antisemitism and such a rise of progressive support for Islamic activities in our country, and really a subversion and infiltration by the radical left and also by these Islamic organizations, all of them, which are Muslim Brotherhood funded. The Muslim Brotherhood, of course, is the group that is funding and propping up all of these Palestinian activities in our country. It's called the Red Green alliance, the Red Green Access. You can call it whatever you want to call it, Steve. But the Jewish organizations are refusing to call this out. And that is why you have people like Mohammed Khalil who are receiving so much support, even from Jewish members of the faculty of these educational institutions. In fact, it is so sick and twisted. I exclusively reported last night that after Judge Jesse Furman, he's a federal judge, Steve, with the US Southern District in New York, he's the leftist, Jewish progressive judge who struck down President Trump's deportation order for Mahmoud Khalid, citing that it was unconstitutional, arguing that he has free speech rights even though he's a green card holder and he's a foreign national, a Syrian born, Palestinian foreign national, Steve. And what's really striking about this judge, per my investigation, is that his wife by the name of Ariella Doubler, she's another radical leftist Jewish woman. She was actually appointed In December of 2024, a month before President Trump took office, to the U.S. commission on International Religious Freedom. This is a government organization that is overseen by the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio and President Trump. So technically speaking, President Trump and Marco Rubio could fire this woman if they wanted to. She was appointed by Chuck Schumer and there's a lot of family ties. I wanna actually go ahead and break this exclusive, exclusive information live on your show right now. Haven't reported this anywhere else. We've mapped out the entire family here at Loomer Unleashed of Judge Jesse Furman. His son by the name of Elon Doubler, was an Intern at the White House for Joe Biden in 2024. He was a legislative intern for Senator Chuck Schumer in 2023. And his daughter by the name of Mira Doubler Furman, they have a hyphenated name. That's how much of a progressive his wife is. You can tell his wife is a feminist because she made her husband, who has the super position in this relationship, he's a federal judge. She made him take a hyphenated last name. So the kids have the hyphenated last name of Doubler Furman. She actually was an intern for Alvin Bragg, you know, the Manhattan district attorney who worked with Judge Mershawn to try to send President Trump to prison and charge him with 34 felony counts. Yeah, that Alvin Bragg in 2021. And then additionally, in case these conflicts of interest with these Jewish progressive activist judges. And I use the term judge loosely because, well, they are activists, not really judges. Ste. The brother in law of the judge, the brother of Ariella Doubler, the wife of Judge Furman. He's actually an assistant professor of religious studies at the University of Rochester and a member, actually a member, Steve, of the faculty and staff for justice in Palestine, which is another pro Muslim Brotherhood, pro Hamas Students for Justice in Palestine organization. It's aligned with Students for Justice in Palestine. And the brother in law of the judge is such a radical that when University of Rochester students staged an encampment that made national news because they were passing out flyers calling for the deportation of Jewish faculty members because they said that they were committing war crimes, okay, this made national news. The students were actually suspended and they were being faced with charges from the administration. The judge's brother in law actually wrote a speech and went to the arraignment of these four students who were engaged in these pro Hamas activities at the University of Rochester and advocated for their release and condemned the University of Rochester for punishing these students for engaging in pro terrorist activities on campus. So I would say that that is a clear conflict of interest. I mean, you have the entire family. I exposed this during the Trump campaign with Judge Marshan. Judge and Goron. Right. The wives and the daughters. And the political consult firm with Lauren Merchand. Right. Of Authentic Campaigns and Mike Nellis. I don't think it's a coincidence, Steve. How is it that every single time Trump or his administration is faced with a lawsuit or some type of lawfare or an oppositional judge, there always seems to be a family connection?

Stephen K. Bannon (25:18)

I want to, I want you to come back after the break Because I want to ask you about this $400 million and what's going on, because President Trump, he's kind of had enough of it, right? He's really taking action. I think actually no other president's taken. But real quickly, we only got a minute here. You've been persecuted by Muslim Brotherhood and other groups for many years, correct? Trying to stand up for Jewish students in America and for Israel.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (25:43)

I have a judgment against me. Yes, that, that's correct. I currently have a judgment against me by care, which I'm not even allowed to speak about because I have a gag order. And the same judge who, who ordered the raid on Mar? A Lago, Bruce, Bruce Reinhart, the same exact judge, okay? He's the one that ordered me to pay care over $125,000. And so every single month I have to send CARE a check because I sued them and activist judges ruled against me. And I'm not even allowed to talk about my case or advocate for myself.

Stephen K. Bannon (26:17)

And Laura Loomer is not saying this and Steve Bannon's not saying this word is not saying this, but I believe it was the uae, United Arab Emirates actually found them to be a terrorist or terrorist sponsor organization or something that promotes care. Short commercial break we're going to talk about President Trump's actions here. President Trump, I'm telling you, in these universities, he's going to clean out this mess. He is not prepared to have April and May of this year, the big protest that took place a couple years ago, it's not going to happen on his watch. It's just not. Short commercial break we'll be back in a minute. We got an explosive book, an explosive author about the oligarchs in Silicon Valley. You're going to want to see this. Birchgold.com Check it out. The end of the dollar empire. Birchgold.com Warham Short break. You don't go out and buy a life jacket when the boat is already sinking. And you don't buy gold when the economy has already collapsed. Clearly others are heeding this advice as gold hit an all time high the first part of 2025 multiple times. It's not too late for you. The company I trust to help you diversify into physical gold is Birch Gold, the company I buy my gold from. Birch Gold specializes in helping you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold for no money out of pocket. Just listen to this five star review, quote, knowledgeable, helpful, non pressure, end quote. That's what you get with Burch Gold and that's why I've endorsed them for so long. Get your free info kit on Gold by texting the word Bannon B N N o N to 989-898. There's no obligation, just useful information with an A plus rating from the Better Business Bureau and countless five star reviews. Text Bannon B A N N o N to 989-898 and let the experts at Birchgold help you secure your financial future today with Gold. Are you a yo yo dieter? You diet, lose weight, but gain it all back, plus a few extra pounds for the effort. Then later you lose it again and regain it again. And on and on and on. I think I resemble this. It's dangerous. Studies show that you can increase your risk of heart attack, stroke, type 2 diabetes and other health problems. Breaking free of your yo yo diet pattern is a main reason doctors created Lean. Lean is a supplement, not an injection, and you don't need a prescription. The science behind Lean is impressive. It studied natural ingredients target weight loss in three powerful ways. Lean helps maintain healthy blood sugar, it helps control appetite and cravings, and it helps burn fat by converting fat into energy. Listen, if you're tired of losing weight and gaining it back, if you want to lose meaningful weight at a healthy pace, Lean was created for you. Let me get you started with 20% off when you enter Bannon 20 that's B A N N O N 20@takelean.com that's code Bannon 20@takelean.com Bannon 20 that's20akelen.com lose it and keep it off. You wish you could have invested in the stock market last year when investors scored the highest profits in decades. But between that mountain of bills and credit card debt, you had nothing, and I mean nothing, left over. It's time to stop letting debt hold you back. Let me tell you how Done With Debt can help. They have a brilliant new strategy designed to tackle your debt and put cash back into your hands so you can save and invest and build the life you've been wanting. Done With Debt goes head to head with credit card and loan companies. Their team of negotiators and legal experts work to significantly reduce your bills, eliminate interest and erase penalties. This frees up cash to invest while the stock market is still hot. The bottom line is this Done With Debt helps turn crushing debt into financial freedom. That's crushing debt into financial freedom. But some of their strategies are time sensitive, so don't wait. Start building the life you deserve. Visit donewithdebt.com and talk with one of their strategists. It's free. Go to donewithdebt.com that's donewithdebt.com war room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Okay, Laura, we're going to have you on tomorrow. I got a bounce, but I just want to go through. There's a judge that has blocked this individual from being deported immediately according to what President Trump wants. Is that correct?

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (31:16)

Yes. And he's a progressive Jew. Yes.

Stephen K. Bannon (31:20)

And you've got the whole thing of the family, the conflicts. It's mind blowing. And our social media team is. Because you broke the story here, our social media team is pushing it out. The $400 million I think Columbia gets. Somebody said 4 billion or 2 billion. They get a ton of money. Federal government, the four amendments. President Trump has finally had enough of this. He's saying, if you're practicing anti Semitism, I'm gonna start taking federal money away from you. Is that correct?

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (31:47)

That's correct. And you know, the president of Colombia is a Muslim woman. She has refused to address the issue of antisemitism, or at least that was the president. She was a Muslim woman, an Egyptian woman, who refused to address the anti Semitism and the terrorist activity happening at Columbia when these encampments were taking place. But look, President Trump made a promise during the campaign season that he was going to deport all jihadist students and revoke their visas. Promises made, promises kept. And he is the most pro Jewish and pro Israel president we have ever had. And as President Trump said, if you are a leftist Jew and you are voting for the Democrats, you need to get your head examined because this is a mental illness. I mean, you're basically aligning with people who want to kill you. I was at Columbia and they threw a Hezbollah flag in my face and chanted, kill all Zionists. It's on video. Your producers have it. I was physically assaulted on the campus of Columbia in April when I was covering the riots when they first broke out.

Stephen K. Bannon (32:42)

No, it's very dangerous. Laura Loomer, what is your social media? The podcast, all of it. Where do people get you?

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (32:47)

Ma'am, you can follow me on True Social and X at Laura Loomer and then every Tuesday and Thursday at 9pm Eastern. Rumble.com Laura Loomer. I have a show called Loomer Unleashed where we do a lot of deep dive investigative reports. So stay tuned because I'm going to be mapping out all of the conflict of interest with these judges that are opposing President Trump. And Doge and protecting these jihadist Muslims.

Stephen K. Bannon (33:14)

The always controversial Laura Loomer, because she will talk truth to power. She's absolutely fearless. Can we get you on Twitter? I thought Twitter had you banned for life. Are you up on Twitter again?

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (33:25)

It's actually really. It's actually really funny because Elon eventually reinstated me, and now occasionally he'll, you know, engage in some of my reports. I traced down the people who were funding all of the protests at Tesla. So Elon actually retweeted me last night. You never know. You never know how Elon's gonna react.

Stephen K. Bannon (33:43)

Your hard work will always see you through, ma'am. Laura, thank you so much. Look forward to having you back on the Intrepid.

Rachel Mastro Giacomo (33:48)

Thanks for having me.

Stephen K. Bannon (33:52)

There's a new book out, and I don't think folks realize this book was coming out. The author is Sarah Wynn Williams. She joins us. The book is Careless, a cautionary tale of power, greed and loss of opportunity. Of course, on the COVID it says Power, Greed and Madness is about Facebook and working there. So Sheryl Sandberg came and saw us after we won Sarah in 2016, and she was there with Elon, and everybody came all the. I think it's the first time they've ever been in one room with President, then President elect Trump. And she was quite impressive. She was, I think, the only woman in the room. And she's definitely a girl boss. I think she wrote, she came with the concept Lean In. She was kind of a hero, I thought, to people like you. The women who are in the workforce who are looking for somebody who's aggressive, tough, relentless, will not back down. What does your book say about all this and the culture around Facebook?

Sarah Wynn Williams (34:45)

Ma'am, look, the book takes you inside the company. It takes you inside meta in the private jets, in the boardrooms. It shows you the decision making, the moral compromises, and really lets you in the inside, because people deserve to know. But the challenge, Steve, is that the company's trying to shut it down. They're trying to stop people being able to learn the truth. They've said that they're going to sue the publisher. They're trying to stop people knowing the truth about the company.

Stephen K. Bannon (35:25)

Well, hold on. Are they saying you're just a disgruntled employee that couldn't hack it? And in the tough environment, the Darwinian environment of what is Silicon Valley, and we see a little bit of that, of what Elon's doing in Doge, in that kind of Darwinian environment, you just couldn't hack it. So you're just writing now a book to get even, ma'am.

Sarah Wynn Williams (35:46)

They're trying to smear me. And instead of focusing on the issues in the book, they're trying to distract us. So I talk a lot about China in the book, about the way that Mark Zuckerberg worked hand in glove with the Chinese Communist Party to develop up a censorship tool. And that's what they don't want people talking about. That's what they don't want to talk about. They don't want to talk about the fact that China is worth. In their last filing with the SEC, they estimated the value of China to matter at $18 billion in 2024 alone. Two years ago, that was $7 billion. So this country that they like to pretend they have no interaction with and we're not in China is actually their second largest market, fundamental to the growth of the company, fundamental to the future of the company, and they've not been upfront about that at all.

Stephen K. Bannon (36:45)

Hold it, Sarah. Don't bury the lead. She just said Meta and Zuckerberg have worked with the Chinese Communist Party on a censorship tool. Am I hearing that correctly?

Sarah Wynn Williams (36:57)

You are hearing that correctly, Steve. Yeah. So they.

Stephen K. Bannon (37:01)

How can that possibly be? I thought he was a free speech. I thought he was a free speech absolutist. I thought he was all about free speech. I mean, he came back to the inauguration, all he's talking about is freedom and liberty and all that. You're saying they're actually working with the Chinese Communist Party on a censorship tool for Lao Beijing?

Sarah Wynn Williams (37:20)

Steve, he's a free speech absolutist who is not only trying to shut down my book, but he's trying. He built to order a censorship tool. So the Chinese wanted the ability to be able to shut down speech, and they wanted the most cutting edge censorship tool available. And the company that built it for them is Meta.

Stephen K. Bannon (37:46)

Give us a little bit of your background. Tell us a little bit about. I don't want to give away too much in the book because I want people to buy the book. This book is explosive. And she comes with a very. A very prominent publisher that knows how to put out controversial materials and know when not to back down. You're not, they're not backing down here, but just give, give your curriculum vita. How did you end up in a position you could write a book like this?

Sarah Wynn Williams (38:08)

Steve, I just want to say neither the publisher nor me, we're not going to back down. People deserve to know the truth. You know, I started out as a diplomat and I pitched a job At Facebook, you know, I saw this amazing company that was going to change the world. I saw how different the world was going to be when technology meant that we could say what we want, we could be on the Internet, we could have this open and connected world. And I could think of nothing, nothing better than being at this company. So, you know, I pitched a job. I said, you know, you need to be working out what this means, what this technology means for the rest of the world. Like, you're going to impact the world in so many ways. You're going to become this powerful, incredible political tool. And I want to be part of it. I want to be on the inside. And I was thrilled when I joined the company. I was thrilled to be part of Meta. I just didn't know what I was getting myself into.

Stephen K. Bannon (39:12)

What was the. Give me the. The inflection point. When did you. When were you awakened? Because Cheryl Sheryl Sandberg has, at least on the outside, a pretty powerful reputation. I mean, she's the ultimate girl boss, right? Her whole philosophy is lean in to young women. Don't back off, lean into this. And she's kind of held out as a role model in the culture she supposedly built is a culture for kind of modern corporate America. Is that not the case?

Sarah Wynn Williams (39:40)

Look, Steve, the book takes you inside how rotten that culture actually is. You know, the reality of Lean in, when it's applied behind closed doors is, you know, very, very different, I think, from how it was perceived. You know, this. The book was important in many different ways, but I think was a very different story. When you went inside the company.

Stephen K. Bannon (40:10)

What are they saying? And by the way, we're going to have to bounce, but I want to get you back onto the morning show and go about this this week because the book's pretty explosive and getting great reviews. What is it the company is saying about you and the publisher? What is. What are they saying? You've got a book, you know, power, madness, greed. You say the cult. You say the culture's rotten. So what are they saying about you? What are they saying? That this thing is a lie, that you shouldn't read it. And. And she's crazy.

Sarah Wynn Williams (40:36)

You know what's so interesting, Steve, is that they, you know, a company that believes in freedom expression, they're going to the publisher and they're demanding to know about fact checking. You know, this. This company that's purportedly rolling back all its fact checking is going to the publisher and saying, we want, you know, we want to know about the fact checking. We want to shut this book down. We don't want it out there. They're trying to silence the book. They're trying to silence.

Stephen K. Bannon (41:02)

And this is your publisher. Your publisher is Macmillan, is that correct? The publisher of the book, one of the most prestigious, one of the most prestigious and oldest publishing houses in the United States, has published thousands and thousands of magnificent books, controversial books. People, you would think know what they were doing.

Sarah Wynn Williams (41:21)

Oh, these, these guys are the absolute professionals. They took this incredibly seriously. They thought, you know, this is an important story. It's important to get the truth out there. This is one of the most powerful companies in the world and people deserve to know the truth. So, so they have been supportive throughout, but no one saw this company that, you know, says that it's doubling down on freedom of expression, trying to shut the book down. And a company that's rolling back its own fact checking, wanting to know how this book is fact checked. So it seems to be that Meta is willing say one thing and do another.

Stephen K. Bannon (42:01)

Before I let you go. Are you going to back down, ma'am, to Meta?

Sarah Wynn Williams (42:06)

Steve, I'm not backing down.

Stephen K. Bannon (42:10)

Where do people go to find. Get the book where they find out about your. If you're going to do a book tour. Where they find out more about you on social media, ma'am.

Sarah Wynn Williams (42:18)

Sarawinwilliams.com.

Stephen K. Bannon (42:22)

Sarawin williams.com We look forward to having you back and wish you much success in this, ma'am.

Sarah Wynn Williams (42:29)

Thank you, Steve.

Stephen K. Bannon (42:32)

That is a pretty tough hombre right there. Macmillan, you don't get more prestigious than macmillan Publishing and they've put out a controversial book or two. So if they're not backing down and she's not backing down, this is going to get quite interesting because it's a very controversial book. We strongly recommend you pick it up. Particularly, you know, my fondness for Mark Zuckerberg and Sandberg I think is kind of a shock, right? She's kind of the girl boss lean in. She's got an amazing, you know, publicity, PR, etc. I'm fitting this in because I have to fit this in. It's one of my favorite people, Mary Holland from Children's Health Defense. Mary, thank you so much for joining us here. There's this whole controversy. We're huge fans and supporter of RFK junior. He's now at hhs. He's going to be doing amazing things. And as you remember, the tractor pull that was his confirmation hearing. You were there. Now there's a firestorm about this measles situation. I think you know more about than Just about anybody. Just walk me through the map. What is happening with this measles outbreak? What's the reality? And is this because the cult of Bobby Kennedy and Children's Health Defense, nobody's vaccinated, so that's why it's spreading like a prairie fire across the country, Ma'am.

Mary Holland (43:47)

Steve, as Robert Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy said, there were 16 measles outbreaks last year. The measles vaccine is only in the measles mumps rubella vaccine. In this country and worldwide, you can't get a single measles vaccine. It's only 97% effective at best. So there's always going to be vaccine failure. There's always going to be some people who don't want to take this vaccine, which is their right to bodily autonomy, religious rights, parental rights. So there's always going to be some measles outbreaks. There happens to be a measles outbreak outbreak right now in West Texas. This is no big deal. We can talk at length about the individual who died from all that we know. This child, who sadly died, did not die from measles. She died with measles and even with measles.

Stephen K. Bannon (44:34)

Mary. But hang on, hang on, but hang on, hang on. I got Bobby Kennedy. We do this huge confirmation fight. It's a war against big pharma, big medicine, in the forces of make America healthy again. And the first thing that happens when he shows up is, you know, a measles outbreak because you guys are virulently anti vaccine. Is that just a coincidence?

Mary Holland (44:54)

No, the publicity about it is not a coincidence at all, Steve. Not at all. And they're now publicizing. There was a case in Maryland, there's a case in New Mexico. I'm certain we're gonna see more cases popping up in the next few weeks. This is a way to battle at Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy has said it's a choice. Vitamin A works as a treatment. You always have a choice. He's not said, lock everybody down and force Everybody to take MMR, which is precisely what happened in 2019 in New York and basically what happened in California in 2015. So this is a tried and true strategy. It's not working as well. And Bobby Kennedy has stuck to his guns. You always have a choice. We have a book at Children's Health Defense, the Measles Book. It's a fantastic book. Again, explaining this playbook. It's for free. Go to our website, childrenshealthdefense.org, you just put in your email, you download the Book. It's really fantastic book. It's got a foreword by Bobby Kennedy.

Stephen K. Bannon (45:52)

I want to make sure everybody gets it. It's totally free. Once again, tell people where they go, Mary Holland, because I want people to get this and get the facts. We met Bobby Kennedy when he came on and did his book, the Real Anthony Fauci. And our audience loved it, fell in love with him. Just what a great guy and such a great time to meet him. And these were the people that went to the ramparts, as you know, because you were there to fight for his confirmation. So where do they go for the book? One more time, ma'am.

Mary Holland (46:17)

Childrenshealthdefense all1word.org and right there in the carousel you'll see the measles book and you can download the book for free. And it really tells you the playbook that was used for Covid, that's used for measles. It's used for every outcome outbreak and it gives you all the facts. It's really well sourced. There's a glossary. It's a great book, has a foreword from Bobby Kennedy, as I mentioned. And just to say to your last story, Steve, we have a case right now before the Supreme Court Children's Health Defense v. Meda platforms and I am really happy to say that Meda had said, oh, we're not going to respond to this petition. And the court instructed Meda to respond, respond. So we're waiting for the response from Meta and we'll see what happens. But it's explicitly about the censorship that they engaged in in the United States, not just China.

Stephen K. Bannon (47:13)

So you can emphasize with Sarah Wynn Williams, you can, you can understand where.

Mary Holland (47:17)

She'S coming from 100%.

Stephen K. Bannon (47:19)

Last thing, last thing. Mary, you promised and committed and Bobby Kennedy promised and committed that his time at as HHS would be radical transparency and platinum level world class science. Do you believe after he's been there for, you know, what is it, 40 days, are we getting there? Are we heading in that direction?

Mary Holland (47:41)

Oh my gosh. Are we getting there? Absolutely, we're getting there. So he's already pulled back on two committees. We already have the executive order from Trump setting up the commission. They've already suspended federal aid and education to institutions that had Covid shot mandates. They are definitely on their way. They're talking about autism. They are definitely on their way. They're talking about seed oils and food. They are definitely on their way. Thursday is the hearing, the confirmation hearing for Dr. Weldon at CDC. That's a very important appointment and for Dr. Daas at CMS on Friday. So he's not finished assembling his team, but he is well on his way. Steve.

Stephen K. Bannon (48:23)

So you think the confirmation fight, as hard as that was to our audience, it was worth it?

Mary Holland (48:29)

Oh my gosh, yes, absolutely. 100%.

Stephen K. Bannon (48:34)

Fantastic. I just want this audience to understand your hard work pays off big time. I mean, it was like a dream. Unbelievable that Bobby Kennedy is secretary of hhs. Yes, ma'am.

Mary Holland (48:43)

We joke that it happened overnight, but of course there were 25 years of work ahead of that. But it feels like it happened overnight, but it didn't. It was the result of millions of people really working very hard over a very long period of time, including Bobby. And he's written so much while he was at Children's Health Defense. Real Anthony Fauci, the Wuhan cover up letter to liberals. Thimerosal. He's on the record on so many of these issues.

Stephen K. Bannon (49:10)

Mary, your personal we want to know Children's Health Defense. Where do people go? Where do they go? Get the book one more time. And your personal Twitter.

Mary Holland (49:18)

So go to childrenshealthdefense.org and download the book for free. It's a really good book. It's an e book and you can also buy it in hardcover from any place you buy books. I'm on X at Mary Holland nyc.

Stephen K. Bannon (49:34)

Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you coming on. Appreciate all the work, the 25 years. I think it's paying off.

Mary Holland (49:40)

I think so, too.

Stephen K. Bannon (49:43)

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