Steve Bannon (4:46)

Hold it, Hang on, hang on. Slow down, slow down, slow down. Are you telling me that this today was not to talk about the Alien Enemies act or the appropriateness of doing it? You're telling me he wanted to know. This whole thing was about asking the Commander in Chief and the Defense Department details about the deportations of these terrorists and these criminals. That's what this was about and that's what he was hammering on.

Julie Kelly (5:13)

Yes, Steve, and I did note that as I was tweeting, covering this and posting it, this was not about even the President's authority, whether he can issue that proclamation, what would be covered under that. This was Judge Bosberg and he repeatedly interrupted the DOJ attorney there representing the Trump administration. And this was basically just who has power over who. And he truly believes that he holds the authority to prevent the President and his administration and his departments and agencies from executing this proclamation. He didn't say based on what. He just went on and on about equities that his equities as a judge, he said, don't end at the water's edge. They don't end at the airspace's edge. Because the DOJ is arguing, we're not going to give you this information. This is special authority, Article 2 authority that goes beyond the court's jurisdiction and Judge Bosberg is basically saying, no, I have the authority to turn back those planes and I want to know why you didn't do it. And the doj, again, is saying, we're not telling you because it will disclose foreign diplomatic relations, flight patterns posing a national security risk. They detailed all that in the hearing, just as they have in their court filings. Judge Bosberg, this has. It really doesn't even have anything to do with the Venezuelans who are being deported. This is him trying to exert what he believes is his prevailing power over the President of the United States on this issue. So, like I said, he asked these several questions. The DOJ said, no, we're not going to answer them. He wanted to know why we're not going to answer. He then said he wants a sworn statement by tomorrow at noon. And if they don't disclose the answers to the questions he posed, he wants to know why he even said, is this classified? Well, we can put the husher on and you could tell me in open court. Now, the husher, as you know, is something that judges put on when they're sort of sidebars between the judge and the defense attorneys and the government. He wanted to turn the husher on so the DOJ could tell him exactly all the details about these flights on Saturday that are none of his business and far beyond his purview.

Steve Bannon (7:48)

It was. It was. I'm going to. Because I read everything Julie Kelly wrote in her Eyewitness account Over 4 years in these courtrooms, and because I went to prison for four months, a federal prison, not a camp, but a prison for four months on a misdemeanor. On a topic that's very close to this, those lawyers have to understand a guy like this will put him in jail. We are heading to a clash on this. We are heading to a clash. We've talked to you about the unified theory of the executive. We've talked to you about how they hate it. And the principal one they hate is chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer. But they're also calling the question commander in chief of the armed forces and the chief executive of the government. And this one combines all three, and that's why I'm telling you. And their arrogance when you first open up, their arrogance about him doing this. I'd be shocked on this. I think most people coming to this fresh are kind of shocked about how you can have this standoff that's going to metastasize something ugly. If you hadn't read the reports of Julie Kelly over four years and how these judges and justices treated the J6 prisoners who had no power. Now they're dealing with the guys that control the government. And look how arrogant they are and how they're sitting there treating them like. Dex, you will answer. We will have it. You'll be here at 4:00. You're going to tell me what planes left, how loaded were they, where are they in airspace. He's putting a track record up because he wants to put Stephen Miller in jail. He wants to put Homan in jail. He's going to put the DOD lawyers in jail. He's going to go for Pete Hexseth. They're coming. And this is why we sounded the alarm this morning. Mike Davis and I worked with Julie over the weekend on this thing. They're coming. You just hear Claire McCaskill go. All the action next two years is going to be in the courtroom. They have nothing else. They have nothing politically. They're at 26% approval. The AstroTurf resistance and the Afroturf color revolution as Natalie Winters deconstructs every day. See the billionaires, that's getting some traction, but not enough. This is where they are. And Julie, a shiver must have gone down your spine when this guy's treating the governments, the DoD lawyers, like they treated the J6 lawyers years and years ago. Ma'am.

Julie Kelly (10:24)

Yeah, it's pretty stunning. And this is an eye opening experience for most Americans, but not for the war room posse. Certainly not to you and certainly not to me. But yes, this did escalate and take this to, to another level. You know, I was in Judge Bosberg's courtroom in December of 2024, and he put on trial a woman who was inside the Capitol for nine minutes. She was charged with four misdemeanors. The very common misdemeanors. She asked Judge Bosberg, the chief judge of the D.C. district Court, asked him to delay her trial until after Inauguration Day because the President had promised pardons for J6ers and she would have been in that first class, we believe the easiest, lowest hanging fruit only misdemeanors. He refused to delay her trial, ignored promises by the President of pardons for these individuals, put her on trial the week before Christmas. This woman who committed no violence, she was convicted in a matter of hours by DC jury. Now, luckily, of course, she was pardoned and her sentencing never took place. But this is the mindset of not just Judge Bosberg. It is shared uniformly in that D.C. courthouse that I call the circle of hell, the rot in our system right now that represents the tumor. That is the tumor of the cancer of the lawfare that Americans rejected in November that they are appalled and disgusted by and they want it to end. But these judges do not care. They are taking it to a whole different level. And I also tweet, I think I posted that, that he is setting up a contempt charge for either the DOJ attorneys or some of the White House officials. Yes, saying you defy 100% Saturday night.

Steve Bannon (12:23)

100%, exactly.

Julie Kelly (12:25)

Now, of course, this is, I went.

Steve Bannon (12:27)

To prison on a, yeah, I went to prison on a contempt charge of Congress. I can tell you right now, you see the pattern. They're setting this up for Homan, for Miller, for Hegseth, for the guys in the operational chain of command and for these lawyers. You watch the Kristi Noem, dhs, all of it. They're going to try to get to the President. Here's what's shocking right now. We're supposed to have the power of the US Government and you see that these judges are kind of act like their own doj. If you look at the collection of cases. And Mike Davis broke some news today. He says he knows from sources inside that now these judges are gaining a little momentum. They're vying for which one gets the next case. Cuz they're all judge shopping. They all want to get up in Trump's grill and show that they're part of this insurrection.

Julie Kelly (13:16)

Julie Kelly well, here's an interesting question. It's a Saturday. How did Judge Bosberg know about this lawsuit that was filed by the aclu? Was he tipped off ahead of time? I mean, he sprawled into action immediately and ordered that very unusual Saturday evening 5 o'clock hearing between the ACLU and the Department of Justice. These judges are being tipped off, I guarantee you, by these nonprofits, by these Norm Eisen and in this case, Marc Elias tied groups, they someone in that D.C. courthouse, whether it's the judges themselves, their staff, their clerks are being tiptoed, hey, this lawsuit's coming and we're supposed to believe they're randomly assigned to judges. How does Judge Chutney have two of these top cases and then this huge one goes to the chief judge on a Saturday collusion, conspiracy, as my Davis always says.

Steve Bannon (14:21)

By the way, the embeds in the, in the main justice, the embeds in the U.S. attorney's office, the embeds in the entire apparatus, along with the cozy relationship they had with the litigants, because they're picking the litigants, they're picking the judges. This is all a setup, folks. We're not heading towards a constitutional crisis. What we were trying to tell you this morning on the show and kind of been hinting for the last couple weeks, we are in a constitutional crisis. This is a major constitutional crisis. This is going to dwarf Watergate because this is going to be a main event. And Donald John Trump ain't going to back down. He's not like Nixon. He's never going to back down. This is all gas, no break. And he's got people around him now are going to do that. Julie, anything else you see on this? What happens next? When do they have to report back? Because I want to go to the pardons in a second. But anything else on this one is a judge calling for them to return with more evidence.

Julie Kelly (15:19)

And I can pull this up, I'll repost it as well. But the judge, Judge Bosberg, ordered a sworn statement filed with his court by tomorrow at noon demanding answers to this list of questions that he presented. And he said, if you can't give me answers, I want to know why. And then he said he will just sort of go from there. In the meantime, this matter is on appeal before the D.C. circuit. But also today, the DOJ Civil Division asked the clerk of the D.C. appellate Court to remove Judge Bosberg based on his conduct in this case so far. Now, of course, that won't happen because the D.C. circuit, which is the appellate court, the district court, is just the lower court. It's stacked with Obama appointees. In fact, their chief judge is an Obama appointee as well. Judge Bossberg is not going anywhere. But the DOJ is certainly running up all the tricks up their sleeve that they possibly have. But this will be up to the D.C. circuit. Now, three judge panel, I believe the same panel that vacated that fired Hampton Dellinger, the special counsel, I believe it's the same three judges on that panel. So the DOJ and Trump administration might have a little glimmer of hope there.

Steve Bannon (16:38)

I want to say, though, whether he's trying to stop payments and stop cash going out or whether he's trying to like on the probationary folks, I think 100,000 and I think they've got 32. Was it 32 suits around the country. And they're shopping to go to Rhode island here to go to San Francisco, the most progressive liberal that then put these injunctions and or tros out to shut down the whole nation. This is warfare at its most intense. Would you agree with that, Julie? Because they're shutting Trump down from Everything.

Julie Kelly (17:10)

There is a jurisdiction issue in this Venezuelan terrorism case, terrorist case, because none of the five plaintiffs, Venezuelan terrorists, called plaintiffs by the judge, of course, none of them ever lived in Washington, D.C. so the question is, how can they file this in D.C. when none of the plaintiffs are there? The ACLU, of course, is arguing that the defendants, Pamela Bondi, all the Trump officials live in Washington, that this action happened in Washington. So that's why the D.C. court is the proper jurisdiction. Also, Steve, waiting for some action by Judge Chutkan on that climate slush fund. There were briefs due in that case today. That's Climate United, who got $6.97 billion out of that $20 billion slush fund parked at Citibank a few days later.

Steve Bannon (18:06)

Hang on, don't bury the lead. A couple of days before the election, they had no more than $100,000 in their account. $100,000 when they ended up with 6.9 billion. You don't think that's. You don't think that's money laundering, folks? A couple days before the election, they were covering their downside. Where do we stand with that one, ma'am?

Julie Kelly (18:29)

So there were briefs due in that today by 5:00, waiting for Judge Chutkan. What? She appeared poised in the hearing last week that you and I talked about, that she also will enter another temporary restraining order, number one, preventing the EPA and EPA administrator Lee Zeldin from clawing back that $20 billion that the Biden EPA sheltered at Citibank so no one could touch it. But then also ordering the disbursement of funds now that have been frozen at Citibank. They were frozen by the DOJ and EPA last month. She will order the unfreezing of those funds, arguing that Climate United, to your point, as I reported, less than $100,000 in the bank at the end of 2023. I think they had one employee, two employees. Now all of a sudden they have 40 employees with benefits and disability. They're arguing and told Chuck, we need $3 million immediately just so we can pay, you know, this new workforce that they created, Lord knows who. Those employees are probably all former Biden administration officials. And so I'm expecting some sort of order on that possibly tonight or at some point tomorrow.

Steve Bannon (19:49)

One more time, Just, just give a taste of the judge, of the details of what he wanted to know from the Commander in Chief and, and from the Secretary of Defense in the Defense Department, man. Just the types of questions that he has that he needs answers for, Ma'am.

Julie Kelly (20:03)

Before we do Another topic he asked specifically. He wanted to know actually if any flights went when this proclamation officially went into effect either Friday night or Saturday morning. He then wanted to know how many flights total departed the country on Saturday. Now, I don't know under what basis he could ask that question because it wasn't even in his hands until Saturday afternoon. How many flights left the US where they went, how many people were on each flight who was covered by this proclamation? Now, the DOJ has said, related to three specific flights, that none of the individuals on those flights were covered by the proclamation. But Bossberg wants proof he's not taking at face value. You know, they listened to whatever DOJ said for four years under Joe Biden. They could say the most craziest thing about January 6, and the judges just ate it up. Now, all of a sudden, the DOJ says in court hearings and in court filings, yes, we complied with your order. He wants proof, even down to the times that these flights took off when they were in the air and when they landed. Because his issue, his temporary restraining order, the 14 day one that covers everyone under the purview of this proclamation was issued at about 7:25pm on Saturday, March 15. He wants this granular detail again, back to what we said so he can concoct some sort of contempt case that the DOJ and the Trump administration did not comply with his order that evening, that the flights took off or they were in the air. And even though he demanded any flights returned back to the US they did not comply.

Steve Bannon (21:57)

I want to play. I want to go to the. Let's play the cold open for this next part. We got about five minutes in this segment. I want to announce breaking news. You know, Laura Loomer had reported a while ago that Hunter Biden was in South Africa and he actually dined with Ellen DeGeneres and had a full Secret Service detachment with him when he had told the judge. He had told the judge in some case that he's broke and he was in la. So he, like, lied about his whereabouts. But she did report there was a full Secret Service detachment just coming across the wire right now. The president of the United States has basically denied Secret Service protection for Hunter Biden or Ashley Biden. So he's put a shot across the bow. He's fighting fire with fire. Let's go ahead and play. I want to play about these pardons and then bring Julie Kelly back in. Are those executive orders of those pardons from the former president now nullifying?

Unnamed Guest (22:50)

Well, I think so. It's not my decision. That'll be up to a court. But I would say that they're not, because I'm sure Biden didn't have any idea that it was taking place. And somebody was using an auto pen to sign off and to give pardons to, as an example, just one example. But the J6unselect committee, they, they gave, think of it, they gave pardons with an autopilot. I don't think Biden knew anything about it. And what they did is they deleted and destroyed all of the information that took them over a year to get.

Kaitlyn Collins (23:24)

The president was begging the question that I think a lot of journalists in this room should be asking about whether or not the former President of the United States, who I think we can all finally agree was cognitively impaired. I know it took people some time to finally admit that, but we all know that to be true, as evidenced by his disastrous debate performance against President Trump during the campaign. I digress on that. But the president was raising the point that did the president even know about these pardons? Was his legal signature used without his consent or knowledge? And that's not just the president or me raising those questions, Kaitlyn. According to the New York Post, there are Biden officials from the previous White House who raised those questions and wondered if the president was even consulted about his legally binding signature being signed onto documents. And so I think it's a question that everybody in this room should be looking into, because certainly that would propose perhaps criminal or illegal behavior if staff members were signing the President of the United States autograph without his consent, is on the record talking about issuing preemptive pardons to these people. But was he aware of his signature being used on every single pardon? That's a question you should ask the Biden White House. Is there any evidence on that that.

News Anchor (24:38)

He wasn't aware of it?

Kaitlyn Collins (24:39)

You're a reporter. You should find out.

Steve Bannon (24:43)

Kaitlyn Collins, kaboom. Julie Kelly. We got about two minutes, ma'am. This one is going to be another. Remember, they all crawl under their belly to get these pardons. But this whole dispute about did Biden really know about it, who at the White House did it? Your thoughts, ma'am?

Julie Kelly (24:59)

Yes. This is going to be an interesting battle because obviously there's evidence and reporters have discovered this discrepancy in what they consider his legitimate signature and of course, his auto pen signature that appears on, I believe, 60 of these pardons, including the J6 and Hunter Biden and other specific individuals. So we already know now, the media, after they covered up Biden's incapacities for the last few years. Now everybody's admitting it. So this really is another, I think fair Constitution question. Joe Biden was not aware of what these pardons involved consisted of and if he certainly did not read them or sign them on his own, are they legal? So we'll see. The only problem is we know what court system this battle is going to Washington D.C. so that will be another big uphill battle for the president.

Steve Bannon (25:59)

Bring him in and depose him. Julie Kelly, where do people go on your sub stack? Social media, all of it, ma'am, to keep up to date.

Julie Kelly (26:07)

Declassified with Julie Kelly is my substack. I'm on x juliekelly2 and I'm sure we'll be getting more court orders, maybe more lawsuits tomorrow, but I'll be following some of these major cases and posting throughout the day and I'm sure I'll be back on the war room soon as well.

Steve Bannon (26:28)

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Brian Costello (36:42)

Yes, Steve. So the report you mentioned. So Morgan came out with a report today that mentioned that they're going to phase out or eliminate 14,000 jobs over the next few months at Amazon. And I think that's what HR Digest is picking up on is the Amazon report. And then TechCrunch was out the other day to support what you're saying. And that over the last year and this has been quiet, right? This has been leaked out as back to work or just pruning the workforce. 150,000 jobs in tech across 549 companies. Tech TechCrunch reported in the last year. What you're starting to see is on the AI side in terms of productivity in the workforce. It's really hitting tech first. So you're seeing tech lead with the layoffs because they're the most sophisticated with the technology. If we leave it up to the free market itself on AI, we could see this go away of China manufacturing where you see massive corporate profits, right? We've seen huge capital expenditures announced by companies and you don't see capital expenditures without cutting of the workforce. Typically you make a capital investment to try and be more efficient in terms of your headcount and your workforce. So yes, we have a choice as a company. And this weekend the White House was accepting AR plans being submitted. Do we go the way of hollowing out our workforce and cutting software development jobs? The company that the CEO and the CTO came out on Anthropic and said by the end of the year they project almost 100% of software development will be done by AI. I don't think it quite gets there.

Steve Bannon (38:21)

Hang on, slow down a second. That's a company I'm talking about. Who is that company and how important they are? Because they made that proclamation. Business Insider picked it up last week. It sounded pretty chilling that he said by the end, correct me if I'm wrong, by the end of the year they will have no human coders. It will all be done by artificial intelligence. And they will have managers of the coding process. A handful of them that manage the AI encoding. But no humans doing any coding, sir.

Brian Costello (38:52)

Yeah, 100%. So there's four big AI closed source models in the U.S. openAI, ChatGPT, Google, Gemini, Elon's Grok and Anthropic are the four ones. So Anthropic is known for being a very good technology AI model. So a lot of people on the software development side now use Anthropic instead of hiring engineers to help write their code. So the CEO and the CTO both came out and they talked about the enormous opportunities and that we could pull innovation and advancement in. We could have all these new ideas, we could reshore things and use the combination of AI and robotics to do that. But what they don't talk about is the immediate job elimination and that this actually takes away one of the US's huge competitive advantages and that we have a large amount of human development. So we're also now giving to China, Russia, Europe, all these guys, they're going to have software development skills with access to AI models that we have in humans.

Steve Bannon (39:55)

You mentioned free market. We're a free market society. When you say free market, if you allow the free market to do this, it's going to happen. They're going to use an efficiency model, cut everybody and obviously the gross margins, particularly in a business that is labor intensive, as many tech companies are, particularly in the age of, specifically in the age of the algorithm, in the algorithmic age, their profits said, sure, but what if you don't have a free market model? We're not socialists, we're not communist. You know, it's bad enough they say we're populist nationalists. What do you propose, sir?

Brian Costello (40:31)

Well, so, I mean, listen, it's tricky. You saw a bunch of these companies submitted their AI plans to the White House over the weekend. Who kudos to President Trump and Vance and Sachs and those guys and that they're soliciting input. But what you saw when you read those plans, Steve, is there was no focus really in terms of the plans that were submitted on the American people. So we need to do things and listen, this isn't quick, it isn't easy, but we need people to understand AI, we need to retrain people, we need to understand education. We want to move manufacturing back here with AI and robotics, but nobody goes to school for that because all the jobs are overseas today. So we need to look at how, as particularly us, how as nationals, populists, how do we focus strategically on AI to actually create jobs versus just letting the free market system, who's going to move towards profit and the stock prices for the executive, who's just going to cut jobs and replace these? Nvidia, I think in the last year and a half, two years, drove $2 trillion in market cap. Who runs the infrastructure to automate all this stuff. We've never seen a company gain 1 trillion in market cap in a year, never mind 2 trillion. And that's because all these big companies are spending money on this equipment.

Steve Bannon (41:50)

Brian, one thing, you know, President Trump, the tariffs. We said one reason is the External Revenue Service. We want to go back to more the American plan model where people are paying a premium to get to a, to get into this vibrant, robust American marketplace. And that's what he's looking for. He's not looking for individual tariffs on things. But a big part of that is also the compact. You say, hey, if you bring your manufacturing here and provide high value added, high paying jobs, then you won't have to pay the tariffs, although you're domiciled in another country. You'll have plant and equipment here and we'll figure out how to work with it. And Apple has been, I think Taiwan semiconductor at the 100 billion, 25 billion looks like a year over four years in the Phoenix area in the 500 billion that Apple's talking about. But Apple also said in that press Release, at the $500 billion, it's 20,000 jobs. So this must be an incredibly automated AI facility. Would it not be, sir? Or a number of facilities at $500 billion of plant and equipment with 20,000 jobs is something. They're not depending on human capital, are they?

Brian Costello (43:05)

No, but when they count, I mean, Steve, you know this. When they count the jobs, they count every job, right? They count the job at the gas station down the street and the sub shop and everything else. It's not directly in the manufacture, it's not directly in the manufacturing space. So many of these companies are moving here. Taiwan Semi is coming here. And some of the other announcements that have been done with President Trump are because of the AI opportunity, right? They make the equipment, they manufacture the equipment for Nvidia that's been driven by the AI space. This is the part that's extremely concerning for Bassett and what he needs to thread the needle on is this tremendous growth in terms of government jobs has happened at the same time as the AI boom. We should be booming. We shouldn't even need to create 80% of the jobs in the public sector with the AI. But the reality is it takes time to shift the workforce and train the workforce and move the American people into this space. It doesn't happen overnight. You can't just, you know, cut a job in Chicago on the managerial side and expect that's gonna be picked up as a manufacturing job in Arizona.

Steve Bannon (44:13)

Well, yeah, yes, you're gonna have some dislocations, I think. President Trump has said already to The Washington Post 30% to 40% of government employees. He thinks the civilian side might go away. Joe Allen, you've been on this watch for years. You've warned people that this day was coming. Are we closer to the day that society's gotta deal with essentially mass layoffs, particularly in what heretofore were supposed to be the high value added jobs? Learn to code all of a sudden, Learn to code might not be the ticket it once was, sir.

Joe Allen (44:46)

No, I think maybe it's morphed into learn to babysit an AI. That appears to be the future of employment, at least according to the current models. The Amadei comment that was made a few days ago, the Council on Foreign Relations about. He predicted that within the next three to six months you would see 90% of all coding done by AI. And within a year, as you guys were just saying, 100% of all coding would be done by AI. That would still require people to create the design features and whatnot, to basically work out the architecture of how the software operated. But it would eliminate the need to sit and grind on creating the code. It would also eliminate a lot of jobs. I agree with Brian Costello's notion that there needs to be retraining for sure, and a lot of education around AI, and as much as I hate to say it, education on how to use AI and how to create it. But I think that overall, what we're seeing is the success of a profoundly anti human philosophy and no amount of humans Learning to babysit AIs or partner with AIs or become symbiotic, as many would say, with AIs is gonna lead to a better life. And in the end, most of the guys at the top of this food chain, including Elon Musk, including Sam Altman and many others, are saying the. The quiet part out loud. This is all about total replacement in the distant future. So it's a much bigger question than who's going to do the coding in the next year. But if anything remotely close to that does happen, it's going to kind of give us a sense of where it's going to go in the next 10, 15, 20 years. And if you believe Musk, if you trust Sam Altman and Musk to be telling the truth as to what the future will look like, it will be a future in which humans have no economic, no economic value whatsoever.

Steve Bannon (47:04)

Unbelievable. Joe, what is your. Where do people go to get all your writings. You're on special assignment for us right now. Where they get your writings in your, in your book, sir.

Joe Allen (47:16)

JoeBot, XYZ and social media. Oebotxyz. Thank you, Steve. Glad I could bring a bright light to an otherwise dismal conversation.

Steve Bannon (47:30)

Exactly as only Joe Allen can. Hey, you never know. You gotta face the truth. I mean, Brian, isn't that the, isn't that the fact the White House had these white papers. We've got to think this through. I mean, what you're talking about, I know already sends chills through. Even the populist nationalist side. We say, hey, you know, there may not be a free market solution or we have to have more regulation for free market. First people go, well, hey, we're not aoc, we're not Bernie Sanders. So this is my point. It's gotta be thought through. Unfortunately, there's gonna be a live fire exercise. These cuts right now they're talking about at Amazon. This is why the human resources. I think I just had it. They're talking about doing by the end of March, which would make sense, that kind of the end of the first quarter, end of the first quarter, financial quarter. So it makes sense. Where should people go? You're putting up stuff all the time on your social media. Where should people go to follow this? Because this is going to be, this is going to dominate the midterm election and this is going to get to be a massive part of the conversation because you're going to start seeing layoffs come in. The most high value added jobs we have. The reason you said earlier is not making a lot, only in the most obscure tech journals or tech press. They don't want this to be part of the general conversation. They wanted all of a sudden, what did you say, 100,000 or 150,000 tech jobs already? They want to do this gradually. So all of a sudden you wake up and you realize a half a million high value added tech jobs are gone and there's nothing to do about it. So we have to get ahead of this program right now. Like you said, what had been submitted to the White House were a lot of great plans, but they don't include the human in there. You know, what's the human aspect of this? And we're certainly not bleeding hearts, but you have to think through what's going to happen to our labor force. Brian Costello, where do people go, yeah.

Brian Costello (49:16)

Steven, I'm doing something. Full disclosure, I'm doing something in this space now. So@shiftiq.com or ShiftIQ AI. We actually put up our plan which was focused on how do we do this to benefit the American people so people can go there and take a look at it. We submitted that publicly to the White House too. And you click learn more there. The other thing we talk explicitly about, unfortunately we don't have a choice here in terms of the competition with China. China's put together a trillion won fund to invest across open source robotics, open source AI models and they're actually being more inclusive right now than us in terms of what they're doing. So we need to understand that. And then on X they can get me at bp. Costello.

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