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WarRoom Battleground EP 770: Rise Of The New Pandemic
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Donald Trump
He knew exactly what that meant. A child knows what that meant. If you're the FBI director and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination, and it says it loud and clear. Now, he wasn't very competent, but he was competent enough to know what that meant. And he did it for a reason. And he was hit so hard because people like me, they like what's happening with our country. Our country has become respected again and all this, and he's calling for the assassination of the president.
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Kurt Mills
Obviously, he apologized and said he doesn't.
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Donald Trump
Apologize for violence, but look, he's a very big.
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Natalie Winters
What do you want to see happen?
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Stephen K. Bannon
What do you want to see happen?
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Donald Trump
I don't want to take a position on it, because that's going to be up to Pam and all of the great people. But I will say this. I think it's a terrible thing. And when you add his history to that, if he had a clean history, he doesn't. He's a dirty cop. He's a dirty cop. And if he had a clean history, I could. I could understand if there was a leniency. But I'm going to let them make that decision.
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Emily Kopp
This whole thing just makes me livid. It's appalling and outrageous and demonstrates why Tulsi Gabbard never should have been confirmed as Director of National Intelligence. Michael Collins and Marie Langen Rykoff are two of the most experienced, accomplished, and talented analysts in the entire US intelligence community. With over 60 years of combined experience, they have worked for successive administrations since the 1990s. They have demonstrated time and time again their capabilities, their competence, their integrity, and they have served as role models for a generation of intelligence officers inside of CIA. They're CIA officers by background and by training. And this is going to have real reverberations within the workforce, because as Congressman Hines pointed out, it's clearly a signal to tell analysts throughout the intelligence community, you tell the truth, you provide objective analysis as you're supposed to be doing, you are running the risk of getting fired. And Michael and Maria are really the quintessential analysts that you want to have, providing insight and information analysis to policymakers so they make the right decisions for US Policymakers. But this is a very tangible example of such dangerous and insidious corruption within the Trump administration.
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Natalie Winters
Bring him home. Bring him home. Bring him home. Bring him home.
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Donald Trump
Bring him home.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Bring him home.
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Natalie Winters
Bring him home.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Bring him home.
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Natalie Winters
Bring him home.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Bring him home. I score water. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Natalie Winters
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Sam Faddis
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Natalie Winters
Welcome to the War room. It's Friday, May 16th, in the year of our Lord 2025. The fourth hour of war Room programming. Don't go anywhere. It's Natalie Winters holding the fort down. We've got a packed show. We're going to get into all things. We're going to stray a little bit from some of the budget talk. There's some, shall we say, international affairs that I want to get into. We gotta do a deep dive on who Anthony Fauci's replacement is. It's not looking too good. His, I guess, acting deputy director, director of the Niad. But before we get into all of that, you saw that cold open that I pieced together all those, you know, brilliant experts that clappers so apoplectic about being fired by Tulsi Gabbard. That's the telltale sign that those people should have been fired years ago. All those so called experts I guess are so smart they don't even know what, what 86 stands for. Yes, I'm looking at you, James. Come. But I want to be very clear about one thing. It's nice to see all the calls for him to be what, in prison? Investigated. I know it seems like every agency is doing their rounds. The department heads are all on Fox calling for very elaborate investigations into this man. Comey should be in prison, sure, but not for social media posts, for Russia collusion and for working overtime. Certainly the first four years of President Trump's administration considered conspiring against him, against his rights, against the MAGA movement. And I'm sure he's only carried those activities since he's been out of office. I guess you could just reuse the memes and the slogans. What was it? Arrest Comey, fire Comey all the way back since 2017. I guess history always repeats itself. We should just keep reposting those. But really, I think the Buck stops. To me, I put the blame primarily on House Republicans and on weak Republicans who have allowed and emboldened, if not outright entitled people like Comey to feel powerful and untouchable enough where they can actually post pictures on Instagram calling for the assassination of President Trump, full stop. I mean, you almost can't even blame him. Nothing happened to him after he, I don't know, smeared an entire political candidacy, movement, man, family, you name it, as agents of Russia. And if you look at the other attempted or would be Trump assassins, the ones that actually were able to fire shots or otherwise, have we really gotten any information about House Republicans on that? Have they done anything meaningful? I saw all the nice tweets. I know. I was told by what the House GOP Twitter account that Americans need to get off the sidelines, whatever that means. Sidelines is an interesting choice of words. It's like we're in a game. The only people who have a game and performative mindset are people like you weak House Republicans. We're not even getting into the big beautiful, maybe the ugly and gargantuan spending bill, but they have created a culture where people like Comey think that they can get away with posting stuff like that. Because you know why? The little secret is that they do, and he probably will. And it's actually a whole fledged out family affair. I think you got the daughter. She's still posted up at doj. She somehow ran, I think, the Ghislaine Maxwell prosecution. Huh. I guess no names were released in that. She also seemed to lose a star Diddy witness. And then I guess his son in law too was somehow involved, also a doj, with the investigation into what happened at Abbey Gate. Another successful victory for Joe Biden. And I'm not even being, shall we say, post, ironic in my humor when I call it a victory. Because as far as I'm concerned, for these people, it was a victory. They hate this country, they hate American lives. They'll call for the President to be assassinated. Do you think they want they give a damn about American men and women, about American soldiers in Afghanistan? No. Hillary Clinton couldn't have been bothered to do anything about Benghazi. The chromosome of not caring and leaving Americans behind, Right? And these people are so tough. James Comey, so tough he can post about wanting to assassinate President Trump and then the second there's a little bit of pushback. Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I'm such an idiot. Yeah, imagine if he was actually met with meaningful congressional oversight. Congressional Probes or DOJ inquiries or criminal charges. You think he'd fold pretty quickly. I think so. Right? We love the rule of law so much here in the war room. I've been told by what all my betters on MSNBC that I'm an autocratic enabler, a state regime propagandist. Take your pick. Well, how about this? I love the rule of law so much, I can count. I don't even know how many people that I know personally who were thrown in prison for posting memes attacking Hillary Clinton or Obama or Biden or let's not even get into the Jan Sixers or Stephen K. Bannon. So I love the rule of law so much that I think Comey should be similarly investigated. Maybe even perp walked in. What, the leg irons and the handcuffs in public? Like Peter Navarro was, right? It's not retribution. I guess we'll take another word. It's reciprocity. It's also justice and it's also accountability. Right? If you ever had doubts about whether or not the FBI was actually being weaponized against the American people, which obviously this audience is always ahead of the curve, and there were no doubts there, I think at the point in which James Comey is posting pictures outright calling for the assassination of President Trump, I think, I don't know, call me crazy, I think we can probably rest the case, right? But there's so many layers of irony and frankly, outrage to this, right? It's not just, oh, gotcha moment, dumb political Biden, Obama hack post, stupid picture. Because just think about it. I'm sure, you guys, I know I've been right. Let's invert the tables for a second. Say, had it been someone like me, are you posting that against Joe Biden, we would have been censored in what, probably two minutes. I'm excluding all the lawfare stuff that would have happened, but the social media companies would have probably pulled your account, right? President Trump's Twitter was actually suspended for calling people to protest peacefully and patriotically. His accounts got nuked and the Facebook, I don't think he was ever on Instagram, but still owned by Meta. So same thing. But Comey gets away with it and Republicans are actually happy there. Oh, Mark Zuckerberg is on our side now because he wrote a crappy 1.5 page double space. So when you really narrow it down, it's probably more like a one page letter saying, yes, sorry, I stole the election. These people are weak. And just like we always say in the war room, that victory begets victory and that courage is contagious. Well, weakness begets people like Comey posting assassination attempts or would be assassination attempts on President Trump and more people like Ryan Routh and Thomas Matthew Crooks. And that's all by design. Just remember, the only reason those tech platforms are now even pretending to be MAGA has nothing to do with their ideological shifts. It has to do with you guys. The audience, believe me that the do not love but they fear. And I'll take that as a badge of honor. But I wish House Republicans instead of talking so tough on the campaign trail and cutting all these really cool campaign ads about how much they care about retribution and going after weaponization. Where the heck is the weaponization committee on this? In a meaningful way. I'm so glad you wrote your nice long book, Comer. Maybe you're gonna have to write a sequel. It's my humble, humble suggestion for these week. I was watching some old clips I believe we used to call the CRs for that they would stand for Cuck Republicans. And I stand by that. We are going to be joined now. We're going to pivot a little bit to what's going on overseas. The Middle east trip that continues to rip and roar. We are joined now by Kurt Mills. Kurt, I'd love to just sort of get your overall assessment of what has been going on overseas.
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Kurt Mills
Yeah, I believe this is perhaps, and I don't say this with any lightness, this is perhaps the most consequential week thus far in either Trump presidency. Trump, after winning reelection and sort of gesturing towards this direction, went full froth basically for the start of this month. May 1st saw the reassignment. We're firing whatever you want to call it of National Security Adviser Mike Waltz. And from there we've had a clear move. The recognition of Ahmed Al Sharah in the in Syria and the revocation of the sanctions, the clear desire to at least pull support for US Support for the excesses of the Israeli war in Gaza and setting the table for a major deal, a Trump deal with Iran. This has happened at warp speed. I think almost no one can keep up with the president's doing. And, you know, even, you know, the sort of liberal foreign policy clarity is commending the shock results that we're seeing here. I mean, I would flag a story that occurred overnight in Axios where they interviewed a number of Biden Mideast officials. And, you know, a lot of people went on record. Ben Rhodes, who worked for Obama, others figures sort of commending just the sheer breadth and boldness and swiftness of the results that occurred here.
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Natalie Winters
I'm just curious, why do you think they were able to pull this off? Is this something that. It's the ideology, right? They love the idea of sort of rebuking the neocons, like he kind of infamously said on the stage, or is this sort of a pretty. And I'm sure it's not mutually exclusive, but is there also sort of a personality element? I mean, I think Steve's been saying on war time and time again, you know, he's being treated like royalty. Right. The displays, the pomp and circumstance is something that Biden certainly didn't get. I don't think many other American presidents received that. But your thoughts on what sort of the motivating factors are that have created or engendered such a historic week?
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Kurt Mills
Well, I think personality does matter for this president. It can't be underrated. I mean, it seems like he definitely gets on with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia of Mohammed bin Zayed. He also seems to have a very strong relationship with Mohammed bin Zayed, sorry, Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, sorry, Salman Saudi Zayed, UAE and then also he seems to get on well with the Emir of Qatar. And so, you know, I think that's certainly an element. But the reality is the reality that Trump inherited when he won reelection in 2024, which is that he's inherited two enormous wars from the previous administration, one in Russia, Ukraine and one in the broader Middle East. And he really has choice. I mean, it's very, very, very close to a binary. You either escalate in these wars that he didn't start, so, you know, throw more fire on a fire that you condemned in the, in the campaign, or you seek to end them. And it seems, you know, that he kind of went back and forth. His advisors have tried to push him in different directions, particularly sort of neoconservative elements like Mr. Waltz. But I think he's got, he clearly has the team he has now. He has the team that he chose. And, you know, in his first foreign trip abroad, like lightning, he has made a series of decisions that have shook the world.
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Natalie Winters
So walk us through the Israel element to it. It's interesting. I think he's made comments about Gaza, talking about the just human catastrophe and just utter abject sadness that is going on there that are sort of not atypical, but just something I don't think that you typically hear right. Sort of the third rail, I think, in American politics to some extent, but also that it was coming out that they weren't necessarily back channel with the Israelis when it came to lifting a lot of the serious sanctions or just the developments there. Can you sort of speak to that dynamic?
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Kurt Mills
No. I mean, it's astonishing. I mean another person I would flag, Aaron David Miller, the longtime State Department negotiator, you know, considered very well informed and close to the Israelis, has argued that almost no, maybe no administration in American history has operated this independently of Israel. You know, of course Israel founded in the late 40s. There's an argument that you, parts of the Bush administration, the H.W. bush administration in the 90s did. But that was kind of a one off around Jim Baker and the President. This is a clear desire to say, hey, this is number one, what we think is good for America. But number two, and I think it was very striking when he was asked about why he lifted the sanctions on Shiraz, Syria, the president said it was, quote, the right thing to do. And this is the kind of language that he's using a little bit more I would say, since the assassination attempt, since the campaign, you know, entering his ninth decade of life soon enough. He's really trying to leave a mark. And I think there is, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, the critiques of Trump is that he's very cynical, he's very nihilistic, he's very materialist. This, this is not the actions of a president who simply wants to cash out and coast after having survived all these things. This is the mark of a president who wants to be epoch defining and redefinitional. And I think you see it, I mean, this is not a mail in move. This is the, this is the most exciting potentially risk taking but also legacy burnishing set of maneuvers that seriously conjurable.
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Natalie Winters
I think another vertical through which you see all that, you know, working through and materializing in is what's going on with Iran. Obviously a lot of chatter about a deal, even his rhetoric about it, like you were saying, you know, with what's, what's right to do it. So it's something different talking about how, you know, Iran should have a future, they should have a right to exist and all that stuff. Your thoughts on, on what this sort of timeline or trajectory would look like with regard to Iran?
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Kurt Mills
It looks like it could be pretty quick. So I mean there are, there is this snapback problem. I don't get super technical. But if they don't handle this, they'll be negotiating basically a negotiation soon enough, maybe as soon as June, maybe as late as September is a little complex. I mean, Trump says they basically have the germ of a deal. And Trump has made pretty clear, despite sort of, I would say, frankly, propaganda to the contrary, that he really only cares about Iran getting, not getting a nuclear weapon. He said very, very, very, very clearly. It's not like we need 30 pages of text. This is, I'm paraphrasing, but it's not like we need 30 pages of text because I only care about one thing. They don't get the bombs. Congressional Republicans, Senate hawks anchored around people like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Senator Cotton want zero percent enrichment, which is effectively a poison pill for the deal. So, you know, again, not defending the Iranian position at all, but the Iranians will walk. And if at a certain level and if the hawks on the Hill get their way, they will walk and then we will be headed to war. Trump clearly doesn't want to be the third term of George W. Bush. You know, people sell these things in the sit room. They sell them in think tanks in Washington, D.C. but anyone who remembers the 2000s remembers that, you know, once Bush got into the Middle east and once Bush was bombing places in the Middle east, that's all he could do. And Trump clearly seems to have an appetite for an off ramp.
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Natalie Winters
Kurt Mills, thank you for joining us in the war room. As always, if people want to follow you, read your work, the magazine work and they go to get it.
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Kurt Mills
Yeah, just check out the website www.theamericanconservative.com Founded in 2002 against the Iraq war by conservatives anchored around Patrick J. Buchanan. You can see my stuff at Curt Mills on X. And yeah, thank you for the audience, of course.
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Natalie Winters
Thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon. Warren. Posse, speaking of threats, kinetic warfare, all those things, I want to flag a story for you. If Denver has we can toss up on screen. It's the Reuters thing about very weird technological communications or clandestine whatever covert devices being found in batteries and certain technological equipment across the United States, at least two senior energy officials sort of raising the red alarm. Obviously this occurring, I think in context of what has been developing quite rapidly when it comes to kind of potential for EMP attacks. I think you've been seeing what's been going on in Spain, the blackouts or what's been going on in the Newark airport, what's been going on in Denver. And as someone, I guess I have the book who is a longtime super fan of unrestricted warfare when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party. When I see all this stuff merged together and I'll say it sets off some red, some red flags. Maybe the kind with a few yellow stars, maybe a communist hammer and sickle. All that aside, we're joined by Sam Faddis who I wanted to bring on, who can break down the story in probably much greater detail than I can. Sam, as always, thank you so much for joining us. I'm curious to get your sort of top line assessment on this story. The idea that there's these sort of secrets, Chinese surveillance or batteries or equipment in batteries. Am I reading that right?
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Sam Faddis
So this most recent story that you're talking about is that we have found actually seven several different types of devices in equipment connected to solar farms in the United States. The equipment being manufactured in China. So either in the batteries or inverters, other components, they have no legitimate purpose. Let's just boil it down to what it is. Why are they there? They're there so that the Chinese can remotely kill these solar farms and shut down the power coming from them. That's the only reason that's explicitly what it is. So they are in advance pre positioning the gear to let them shut this down. And this is frankly completely consistent with what we have seen from them as they have done this all across the power grid year after year after year. It's also consistent with the hacking of critical infrastructure. There's only for one purpose. It isn't to gather data or spy on you. It is so they can turn out the lights and everything else that requires electricity in the United States when they choose to.
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Natalie Winters
There's a great article in the Diplomat talking about how Taiwan, where they were sort of positioned to survive or withstand increasingly, I think aggressive EMP attacks are just stuff more in the kind of cyber security realm. I'm old enough to remember when the World Economic Forum was warning us of cyber pandemics, whatever that may be. Maybe lucky guess or maybe some good old predictive programming. But I want to read just a quote from that article. China's informatized warfare strategy that guides its overall war fighting doctrine according to the Science of Military Strategy, one of the Central Military Commission's core strategic documents. And under the strategy, China seeks to dominate the cyber and electromagnetic domain by quickly disabling essential military and civilian electronic systems. I saw obviously the convergence, the affinity between sort of all of these stories, one being I guess, the actual reification of their ideological backing of what is undergirding a lot of their military strategy. But I'm just curious if you've seen if this is Something that has escalated in terms of, you know, the PRC developing these capabilities? Or is it sort of compounded by the fact that especially under Joe Biden, you saw such a pivot to solar, to these sort of green new energies sort of being a Trojan horse for technologies like these?
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Sam Faddis
Yeah, well, all of the above. Right. I mean, is it consistent with their, with their policy, and are they constantly advancing it? Yes, they are. Did Biden provide them infinite openings for this? Yes, yes, he did. But again, this, this thing with the solar farms is just another arm of an effort that's been ongoing for a long time under the first, in the first Trump administration. There are these giant transformers that are in the power grid, which is really the backbone of the thing. And without them, you don't have electricity, which means you don't have modern life. And the Chinese have been putting devices in these things for a long time to allow them to kill them. When I say kill them, I don't mean shut them off. So you just go flip a switch and turn them back on. I mean kill them and they never work again. So back in 2019, Donald Trump had one of these things taken off a boat, sent it straight to Sandia National Lab and had him tear it apart. So it's not supposition we physically found all this stuff. He then subsequently banned the installation of any of these Chinese made large transformers in the net. We're not going to keep doing this. One of the very first things Joe Biden did when he sat down in the White House was lift that ban and begin the reinstallation of these sabotage transformers. There are now something like 500 of them, by the way. It takes, they're custom made. If the Chinese take one out, it could take you five years to order a new one. And I think we could guess if they're the ones that crash the grid, they're not sending you a new one anyway. But to get it from anywhere, it will take years. People need to understand that it's not about they're turning off the lights and maybe it's a couple of days and then everything's back to normal. They're turning off the lights, and the lights aren't coming back on for the foreseeable future. So I always tell people, imagine you're sitting in your house, you got no lights, you got no Internet. That means you got no money, you got no banking. All of modern.
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Natalie Winters
Sam, we're coming up against a break. If I can hold you through, I'm sure the audience heads are, are blowing up. No pun. Intended. I want to keep drilling down on this. We'll be right back. Warm after the short break.
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Mark Elias
Well, I think that the only rational explanation, and I think this is the explanation, is that they want to set the stage for depriving people of their constitutional rights. And that is why this is such a dangerous moment, not just for this individual, but for all of us, because if we strip him of his right to due process, it opens everybody up to the same vulnerability. But that is the only explanation I can see, Mark, for what they're doing. And, you know, you have people like Steve Miller openly talking about, right, ending habeas corpus, suspending the Constitution of the United States, instituting martial law. And this is why it is so important that all of us speak up, right? And stand up. Because what bullies do and what authoritarian leaders do is they start coming after people they perceive are the most vulnerable. And if nobody says anything or nobody stands up against that, then they just keep doing it. And that's why we all need to stand up and cheer on those law firms and those colleges and universities that are standing up against Trump's lawlessness. And it's also why we have to shame those who are not, who are capitulating. Because when they capitulate, they simply give more energy to Donald Trump, who has an insatiable appetite for mowing down people's rights. And so I think that's what's going. I think they're really testing the limits very deliberately here. And that is why, you know, talking about a nine to nothing Supreme Court ruling as you know, how unusual that is these days, the fact that they're contesting that or trying to duck it. Now they're claiming, you know, that they can't provide the judge with information because it's of state secrets. I mean, such bs, right? I'm quite confident that the judge will see through this ruse, but it just shows the lengths they will go to lie and deflect, all in service to this idea of eroding people's rights, due process rights, and of course, First Amendment rights. In all these cases where they're going after students for exercising free speech, you.
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Natalie Winters
Are back in the war room where of course, you always gotta be checking out birchgold.com Bannon texting Bannon to 989-898 where you can get your copy of the Ultimate Guide for Gold in the Trump era, the Golden Age gold. I'm just saying it's a nice interplay there, what you just watched. Two people who have perverted what it means to call themselves patriots. That is Senator Chris Van Hollen of Ms. 13 fame, beloved, I guess Ms. 13, 13's favorite senator, and Mark Elias, probably also Ms. 13's favorite election activist. Not just because he lobbied for the Clinton campaign to take foreign cash, but those two clowns are talking about how the biggest threat to democracy and I guess your constitutional rights and ability to live right now is President Donald J. Trump. What a bunch of idiots. For those of you who are watching the previous segment, I would put my money on the Chinese Communist Party, what they're doing with EMPs, these transformers, everything they've done to infiltrate and invade this country, very frankly, kinetically, but certainly otherwise. It's idiots like that that have allowed the PRC to. So I would say adeptly and swiftly. I mean, I use the term invade loosely because they don't like kinetic warfare. But you know, Chinese spy balloons, thousands of Chinese nationals at the southern border. I don't know. Suddenly all these airports having weird technological difficulties, all the train derailments, I don't know, I'm kind of inclined to say invade. But hey, if you ask Mark Elias of election hacking fame and Senator Van Hollen, the largest threat is you guys, the MAGA Movement because apparently you don't want to be neighbors with a bunch of criminal gang bangers. Twice deported, twice adjudicated. And yes, I will use the word convicted because he was Kilmar Garcia. Maybe he'll be the Democrats 2028 nominee. Probably. Maybe they'll roll him out at one of those AOC and Bernie rallies. He'd probably get a round of applause. We are still joined by Sam Fatis. Don't worry, we're going to get to the Fauci stuff in a bit. But I'm curious, Sam, when you're talking about these transformers and what they're doing to sort of, I guess, invade or just, just infiltrate very high tech, it's obviously part of. What is it? They're not just made in China 2025 stuff, but they're, you know, 2035. Ambition to get ahead from a technological purview. Have we ever actually seen any of these things detonated? I use that term loosely, but is this all just sort of advance it? Is this something that's going to be used in the future? Or are there any examples that you can point to? Like I was sort of bringing up some of these weird train derailments or some of the weird network blackouts, outages, stuff like that. Is that related to that or is that just, you know, an insufficient grid? What's your take on the, I would say, likelihood of these, These being used?
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Sam Faddis
Yeah, well, the short answer to that is we don't know. But then we haven't really been looking very hard. Right. We've been doing the exact opposite. I mean, I keep coming, going back to this point because I want folks to absorb it. This is, we're not talking about cyber attacks that really going to steal your data and take your Social Security number. We're talking about cyber attacks which will destroy your entire modern way of life. And again, destroy, not temporarily interrupt. Like the power will be off for 24 hours and you'll burn some candles like it's not coming back up. You're now in the 1600s and this is fact back almost 20 years ago now, we did a test. We, the US government took one of these large transformers, set it up, I think at the Idaho National Lab, hacked it and physically destroyed it. You can watch that. It's called the Aurora test. And you can look at it online, see a video of it. By that, I mean in about three minutes time, the thing is belching smoke and on fire. So you're not going to call the repair guy and put it back together and it isn't working anymore. So your power's not coming back up at all. They have made vast gains in the 20 years since, almost 20 years since. So that isn't to inconvenience you again. It's not to steal your data. It's to put the whole United States back in a pre industrial state and win a war. And they are perilously close to being able to do it right now.
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Natalie Winters
Last question before I let you go. How prepared, obviously we've seen a lot of the ic, some even, you know, the nsc, I think kind of, I mean certainly under Joe Biden, but just even from a career perspective, sidetracked, frankly. On going after maga, the new domestic terrorist. How ready and prepped do you think the United States is for attacks like these?
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Sam Faddis
Not at all. I mean you have, you've referenced EMP and electromagnetic pulse, which essentially a nuclear device detonated at a certain altitude produces a pulse and it'll fry all the electronics. Okay. We have done essentially nothing. So again, I keep coming back to this because it's critical. When I say fry your electronics, I mean fry your electronics. Your car is electronic, your computer, your television. You're not going to put a new widget in it. It doesn't work anymore and it never will work again. Now apply that to every electronic device in the entire United States for the banking system, to aircraft, everything else. We know how to harden our systems against it. We aren't physically doing it.
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Natalie Winters
Sam Faddis, I always say thank you for coming on. I don't know if the audience, I guess better to be informed than not know, but it's scary stuff. The EMP stuff is so mind blowing to me that it's not more discussed because it's real, it's coming. In the meantime, before we have you back on, where can people find you, follow you and stay up to date with everything you're doing?
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Sam Faddis
I'm just on the web at Substack and magazine substack, so that's and magazine.substack.com.
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Natalie Winters
Thank you sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on an honor to be joined now by someone whose work I have loved for a very long time. I think it's your first time on War Room, Emily Kopp, who's now with the Daily Caller, but you did absolutely wonderful reporting on all things Peter Daschak, origins of COVID gain of function research, which we're going to get into that, that. But you have a new story up, quite a bombshell on essentially who is the replacement for Anthony Fauci. You know what? We'll do this. We'll roll the clip to start because it's kind of scary. And I want you to contextualize who this guy is, what they're pushing for, and the concerns that you have and that our audience will probably share. So, Denver, let's roll it.
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Sam Faddis
Are enormously significant for humans. And so we don't know how long this sort of pandemic era may last.
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Natalie Winters
Also begs the question of what influenza virus circulated before.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Right, because all of that is gone right now.
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Natalie Winters
We're all derived from H1, but maybe.
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Sam Faddis
There were different strains. Yes, we and others are keenly interested to know what viruses, what influenza subtypes circulated in humans prior to 1918. Of course, because there are no isolates, the only possible way is to go back and find archival tissue, material in which human autopsy tissues would be preserved, wherein people might still have fragments of the RNA of those viruses.
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Natalie Winters
Pandemic era doesn't quite have the same je ne sais quoi, as I would say, golden age or golden era. But I digress. Emily, can you walk us through who this dude is?
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Jeffrey Tobinberger
Sure. Well, to strip that video away from the euphemist, essentially he's talking about is going back to corpses, going back as far as the Middle Ages and extracting pandemic era viruses from those preserved corpses. That is the ambition that he's stating there. So the guy on the left is Jeffrey Tobinberger. He is the new head of Fauci's old institute, the niaid. The guy on the right is this guy, Vincent Racagnello. He has been central to advocating for gain of function research and is in utter total denial about the fact that the largest pandemic in a century might have resulted from being a function virology. He called it a conspiracy theory as recently as a few days ago, sounding very 2020. But I think the fact that this person has been able to accede to the head of Fauci's old institute, despite the fact that rfk, the head of all of our nation's health agencies, and JPattacharya, the head of the NIH, have both said in the strongest possible terms that gain of function research is useless and existentially dangerous. I think it's a vivid illustration of the shark filled waters of the Washington swamp. And this new head of niaid, Jeffrey Tobinberger, is one of the scariest sharks out there.
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Natalie Winters
So how did this even happen? How did this guy get get through? Is he a political appointee or was this someone who wrote up from within the NIH ranks.
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Jeffrey Tobinberger
If I had to guess, I would say that Bhattacharya was blindsided. You know, this new HHS is incredibly ambitious. You know, the old HHS under Biden, you wouldn't hear from them for months. And with this new hhs, you know, they're tackling this enormous autism study. They're taking dyes out of food. They're. They're hitting the ground running. And if I had to speculate, I would say, you know, Bhattacharya cannot have his hands in every single intricate detail. And I think someone he trusted recommended this person. And it was. Despite this long history. And what I write in the piece is that it shows the. You know, despite the fact that you have these two upstarts in Kennedy and Bhattacharya who want enormous upheaval of our nation's health agencies, it's running into the practical reality that they are facing an entrenched Washington bureaucracy, because, again, these two gentlemen, you know, the people, the people who have popular support, they have been very vocal about the fact that king of function racers research is dangerous to humanity and that they aspire to end it. But Tofenberger sits at this ideal position to mess with that ambition and potentially throw sand in the gears. And he really made his bones in the field of infectious diseases, not in research with any direct practical applications to human health, but by reviving the 1918 pandemic influenza from queen corpse preserved in permafrost. He published the genome online. So in the future, reverse genetics become much easier. Some unhinged individual could recreate an otherwise extinct pandemic influenza. So we have in Tobinberger someone whose life's work has been devoted not necessarily to make us to making us all safer, but to actually creating a potentially more dangerous place to live. Some virologists might push back and say we might have population immunity by now because a lot of the modern flu viruses are descended from 1918 flu. But I don't think it's in debate. This research has led to no practical applications for human health. Obviously, there's been a lot of debate in the MAHA movement around certain individuals whose positions on certain things might not be strong enough. But this is much worse. It's someone whose lifelong position is in direct contradiction to the leaders of our health agencies.
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Natalie Winters
And walk us through why what the Trump administration did on gain of function research would even be susceptible to being subverted by anyone, let alone, it seems like the number one poster child and advocate for it.
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Jeffrey Tobinberger
Yeah, I'm grateful For the opportunity to get the word out about this. There was a lot of, I think surface level reporting about the gain of function research executive order that was signed last week. A lot of press coverage said that it banned gain of function research. In fact it didn't. It, it set a 120 day deadline to hammer out the precise language of a potential gain of function research ban. I'm not sure if that's because of the susceptibility of outright ban to legal challenges, but what I can tell you is that a source of mine saw an earlier version of the gain of function research executive order that was much stronger, that banned it outright immediately. And the person who was leading that charge was, was deliberately leaving out the nih. Because the NIH has been so successful in subverting any attempt to regulate gain and function research. Because NIH is filled with people like Tobin Berger who cannot fathom that gain of function research could have led to the worst pandemic in a century because they've made their bones on it. Because their entire career is built on it. And it's built on this idea that it is, it helps prevent pandemics rather than ignite them. And this new executive order, it punts it 120 days to hammer out the precise language. And it also states explicitly that they're going to incorporate the voices from a bunch of different agencies, including at hhs, so opening the door for NIH to have an influence here. And so I am not privy to the exact details of how the executive order went from an immediate ban to this hazier language. But we are in a very sensitive period for people who care a lot about this issue because it's being hammered out right now what exactly a ban will look like. And we've seen in recent days Senator Rand Paul said that it's likely going to take legislation. And I think it's because this executive order leaves a lot of, a lot of wiggle room for people like, for NIH swamp creatures like Tobin Burger to, to weaken the language and to potentially, you know, carve out loopholes.
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Natalie Winters
We're coming up against the end of show, but just give me a minute or two. You've covered a lot of issues like this. Like I said, you were really ahead of the curve on a lot of the COVID or and stuff in your explanation of this character. To me it sounds like you think this is sort of an ideological compromise. Like the guy just really for some reason likes gain of function research. Is that what you think is the motivating factor behind A lot of this. For example, you said Bhattacharya. This just kind of happened. Oh, it was an accident. Do you think it's that, or do you think they're also nefarious? This is something that Big Pharma really supports that just certain industries are behind. What's your take on sort of the motivating factors behind this?
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Jeffrey Tobinberger
Far be it for me to defend Big Pharma, because I cover the pharmaceutical industry a lot too, but I actually don't think that they would be behind this because, frankly, gain of function research has no practical applications. This is not something that leads to, you know, vaccines and therapeutics that pharma companies can make a lot of money on. You know, setting aside Covid, you know, but. But practically, like a pharma company wanting to do R and D is not going to say, let's do gain of function research because there's usually no IP at the end of it that they can make money off of. So this is, I think, a deeper issue, sort of. It's this biodefense blob, I sometimes call it. There is this global virology.
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Natalie Winters
It's a rot. It's a cultural rot, I think at the nih. Emily, we're coming up against the end of the show, so I'm going to have to let you go. But in the meantime, if the audience wants to follow you, read your work, where can they go to get all of it?
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Jeffrey Tobinberger
Sure. Well, go to the Daily Caller and you can follow me on Twitter Elya.
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Natalie Winters
A must follow you do. You do great work. You drill down. When other people just see the word gain of function. I think the. The eyes glaze over or maybe there's on someone's payroll. Emily, thank you so much for joining us. We'll definitely have to have you back on soon.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Cool.
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Jeffrey Tobinberger
Thanks so much.
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Natalie Winters
Warren Posse. Thank you for hanging with me. Speaking of hhs, all things maha and health, you got to make sure you're checking out fieldofgreens.com you can use promo code Bannon for 20% off. Off your first order, maybe. All orders. I would hold up a little canister if I had the powder, but I guess that means Steve is using it. That's a very nice endorsement. I will come out and fully not endorse gain of function research, let alone being spearheaded. I think the Ben Harnwell critique of the sociopathic oligarchs is particularly and acutely applicable to the crazy, deranged people that had the nih. Even Big pharma compromise aside, they're anti humanity. And they're pro, I guess dead Corpses from the 1900s reviving the viruses that were in. Yeah, okay. Hey, Doge, I think I found some waste, fraud and abuse. All of the above. You guys have a good weekend. I'll see you next week.
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