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WarRoom Battleground EP 777: President Trump's Whole Presidency Is At Risk Due To The Deep State
WarRoom Battleground EP 777: President Trump's Whole Presidency Is At Risk Due To The Deep State ...
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- [00:03]
Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
- [00:24]
Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go.
- [00:26]
Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
- [00:28]
Dave Brat
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
- [00:31]
Ben Harnwell
I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
- [00:35]
Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
- [00:45]
Stephen K. Bannon
WAR Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
- [00:53]
Steve Bannon
Okay, Wednesday 28th May, your Valer 2025. Thank you for sticking around for the second hour of our late afternoon early evening edition of the War Room. So much going on all day. Just insanely good content shows with with top people because there's so much going on. It's and Ben Harno was going to drum me. Ben, I just sent you a text message. If you can please read this tweet. I want to bring you in right afterwards because I think it reinforces my theory of the case from this morning. We had so much going on that we've asked Ben to join us in the 6 o' clock hour to give us his perspective as our international editor out of Rome. One of my great fears, by the way, Dave Bratt's going to join us soon as we get him up here in a moment and we're going to be talking about the situation in with Peter Navarro put this magnificent something we've been calling for. In fact, I think some of it is off. Some of the analysis that we've been putting out that you got to look at the big beautiful bill is part of whole cloth of what's going on with what else President Trump's got to do and you got to add those numbers. But I also want Dave Brat to comment on this geopolitical situation. Ben, here's my concern is that we had Mark Mitchell on this morning and Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen goes through these amazing numbers of President Trump aware the American people now think the country is on the right track and this is coming off of his Middle east trip that people now are supporting Trump probably more than ever between an election day and yet we're inexorably drawn in and this is over this weekend and I drilled down on this thing pretty thoroughly. We are being drawn in more and more into the kinetic war that President Trump has made his number one priority to actually have people put their guns down and let's get to a deal. We're inexorably drawn into this moment by moment. One part of it is that the Americans weapons manufacturers have used Ukraine as a lab in these drone strikes, which are very serious, believe me. Maybe I can play the Alex Jones clip either late in the show tomorrow, Alex does a great job of walking through how there was a significant assassination attempt on Putin by a basically attack, I think of 500 Ukrainian drones with essentially American artificial intelligence and target acquisition and fire control solutions. Last night in, in Moscow, 300 drones got through, I think of a 500 drone attack and actually attack the city with the text. The tweet I just gave you is that there's a discussion. Look, you got all these sites in this war that are false flag sites giving you false information, but they're saying how Russia's had it and with Mertz kind of driving this, that they're actually having discussions inside the Russian military about targets at Berlin. And this is my fear, is that just like in 1939, this war is expanding, it is not decreasing. Ben Harnwell, from your perspective in Rome and someone who's been dead spot on in this thing since the evening before the invasion back in, I think, was it February 22nd? What's your current thoughts, Steve?
- [04:13]
Ben Harnwell
Well, President Trump, good afternoon to you. President Trump put out, I think it was on social media that, that President Putin is playing with fire and that he called him crazy in capital letters. Steve, I have to be honest with you. Look, I will defend President Trump till I'm blue in the face in every way I can. I will always see how I might take his side in an argument. But I have to say, looking at the facts, I don't think it's President Trump who's playing with fire. I think it's President. I don't think it's President Putin who's playing with fire. It's President Trump who is playing with fire. And with regards to the crazy accusation, I have to be consistent as, as an analyst, Steve, coming on the show, I have to be consistent. I have to say the same thing that I said three years ago when Ursula von der Leyen and President Biden were pushing out this line that President Putin was crazy. And I said, I have to repeat now what I said then. If you guys really think Putin is crazy, this man is, is armed with nuclear missiles. Why are you antagonizing him if you think he's Crazy. And I have to say the same thing to President Trump. If you think President Trump, Putin is crazy, why are you dragging allowing the United. No, he's not. He, he's not dragging. President Trump is not dragging the United States into this war. He's allowing himself by other actors to be dragged in. And that's worse because it shows that President Trump isn't in control of the narrative here. Let me give the blinding example of how President Trump is not in control of this situation. Two days ago on Monday, the new Reichskanzl in Germany in Berlin, Friedrich Metz had a press conference and he stated that, and you mentioned this on the morning show that Germany, France, the UK And America had now removed all the, the long, that all the, all the long range inhibitions on the long range missiles that the various countries had provided to Ukraine. That was on Monday. Yesterday Metz walked that back ever so slightly saying actually he was talking about things that, that had already been happening for the last couple, couple of months also. Yes, today I think a friend of yours, Steve, Tammy Bruce, was asked whether she's, you know, does she have a statement to make on Metz's declaration? And she said we're not going to be commenting on this now. Why is this important, folks? Because November last year, Biden, you might remember, I remember this very well. Biden announced that he was removing the distance inhibitions on the ATACMS missiles that, that he had provided Zelenskyy with. And I remember there was a specific weekend that I actually thought we were going to possibly see some kind of nuclear exchange about 30 hours after that. I don't know if Biden walked it back or if he just clarified something that had been misunderstood by the press. But he said, hang on, hang on. When I said that Zelenskyy could use these ATACMS missiles inside Russia, I was simply referring to the Kursk region conflict. Now Kursk, as the war in posse will know, is on the board. It's on the Russian side of the Ukraine, Russian border. It's where Zelensky took the war to Russia. And he said only there, not deep within Russia and absolutely not towards Moscow or St. Petersburg or anything like that. Only on that border. The world released a sigh of relief. And that has been the official position, Steve, of the United States since that moment. So what is now happening is that Germany has said that the US has removed its distance inhibitions, it's limiting inhibitions on the attack on missiles and the US Isn't making a comment. Now there are two possibilities, Steve, to this either Mertz is right and that at some point, presumably from the inauguration to the present date, President Trump has indicated behind the scenes to Ukraine that Ukraine might now use those missiles to attack deep within Russian territory or Mertz has got it wrong. If Mertz has got it wrong, I don't understand why Tammy Bruce won't walk it back if Merz is telling the truth. However, Steve, that's terrifying for a number of reasons. Firstly, firstly, why is President Trump allowing a European leader to announce what the United States policy position is on an issue that could lead to a nuclear element to the kinetic stage of World War 3.1.2 as I said, if Trump is putting out on social media that he thinks Putin is crazy and as I just said in my, in my introduction, he knew Putin is the Russia is the most nuclear armed plant country on the planet, why are you authorizing Ukraine to use long distance missiles that could potentially reach Moscow if you think President Putin is crazy?
- [09:31]
Steve Bannon
Jim Rickards said this morning, do you agree or disagree? He said, hey, this clearly has the implicit okay by the United States because Tammy Bruce didn't come out and say anything and the United States is allowing Mertz to say this and going quiet. But they publicly but they would have had to approve it for Mertz ever to include it because Mertz said France UK and the United States all agreed. They were all given permission to strike inland to Russia. Your thoughts?
- [10:04]
Ben Harnwell
Look Steve, I've been involved in politics for 25 years. My first rule of thumb is never underestimate the degree of incompetence that takes place at the highest levels of government. So there could be at the moment I am leaving space for the possibility that Metz got ahead of himself on this. But I don't understand. You know, Jim Rickards makes the point that right now, tacitly at least, the fact that the United States hasn't walked that back hasn't explicitly contradicted Germany on this does indicate a sort of degree of permission. But I have a wider question on regards to this. Stephen, again for coherence, I have to say exactly what I said when Biden was president. If you are giving Ukraine free reign to use US provided long distance missiles to attack deep within Russian territory, you are effectively outsourcing your own role in a war of which you are not formally a part to another country, another country that has the most massive vested interests to drag you into it. Steve, I can't. I can make that point 10 times in a row, literally repeat it. It's absolutely terrifying. If President Trump has Given this permission to Zelensky, he is allowing Zelensky to dictate whether America is now formally involved in a war with Russia.
- [11:39]
Steve Bannon
Let me go to Brad. Brad, polling is out on Lindsey Graham in South Carolina in his reelect, I think he's got 37% approval among Republicans. And as you know, South Carolina is pretty maga. Are we following Lindsey Graham's policy in Ukraine right now? Because I say we're getting sucked into this war every second of every day. Or are we following President Trump's and is it. He downloaded 100 guys out of the NSC because they were all detailees from the deep state. Is President Trump now overwhelmed by deep staters and really not following the policy that he's advocated from day one? He wants a peace deal. He wants the guns laid down. He wants to stop this nonsense, sir.
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Dave Brat
Yeah, Well, I want to know who's around him and who's advising him. And you mentioned Lindsey Graham and I, you know, Congress is given the unique role to declare war. The War Powers Act. The President has, you know, limited powers in the short run. Where is Congress? Been on this for years, right? What? Congress still has not made any definitive statements. The Congress or the Senate, the Foreign Relations Committees. The Senate is supposed to be the, you know, the old gray hair, wise men on these matters. And if they make one mistake, they lose their next election. So they're quiet. But it looks like all of President Trump's agenda is at risk here. All of it, the whole thing, all the economic stuff, all the terrorist stuff, all goes down in flames if this war lights up. Right. And that, that is the deep state objective.
- [13:18]
Steve Bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Slow down, hang on, slow down, slow down, slow down. Hit, hit, pause. Go back and explain that we had Mark Mitchell on this morning of these unbelievable numbers. Not just the maga, because we love it, but now people are waking up to what he's doing. Middle east tariffs, the economy, all this you've got. He's on a roll on so many. We just got the. Peter. We're supposed to spend the whole hour. Peter Navarre. We are going to get to it. This incredible piece in the Hill to talk about the economic upside of where we're going. What do you mean? It's all in jeopardy. Do you think he loses all of that if. If we're drawn into this war in Ukraine, which obviously we're being drawn in every second of every day? Sir.
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Dave Brat
Yeah. If you just look at any information source.
- [14:06]
Ben Harnwell
Right.
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Dave Brat
I was looking at the conference board today. Whoever runs that joint. Right. It turns. Consumer confidence has jumped up spectacularly. You wouldn't know it. And expectations, consumer confidence up 12 points. Expectations on the future is up 17 points. What do you think a war does to those expectations? What do you think a war does to Wall Street? Right. They're walking a tightrope right there. Right. Trump's throwing spaghetti out there on the wal brilliantly. And he's searching for that golden sweet spot, that equilibrium between the bond market and economic growth and the big beautiful bill and monetary policy and geopolitics and the labor force and education and Harvard and all of it. Right. And so a war disrupts all of that. A war. It's the headlines are shot. Nothing trumps existential threat to life. Right. And if you know. So the team better figure out every lever we have to pull with respect to Russia and pull it immediately. Right. Trump's out there sending all the right signals. Right. What are you doing? Right. I'm not happy. I'm not happy what you're doing over there, buddy. But it needs to go to the next level. Congress and the Senate need to step up to the microphone today and take a little risk on themselves. And you lay out what's what, what is the consequence to Russia for these actions. Right? And.
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Steve Bannon
Let me get Harnwell here because, Dave, correct me if I'm wrong, we, this audience, turfed out Mitch McConnell as leader two years ago when he had the make or break Ukraine. He sacrificed his time as leader. He knew he was doing this because the only way they could try to get this huge bill passed to support Ukraine, which turned out to be an epic fail. But you got so many out of control deep state hawks in the Senate that I don't know if you're going to get it. Ben Harnwell, your thoughts on Brother Brad.
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Ben Harnwell
Steve, they're not deep. Hey, Dave. Good afternoon to you too, Steve. They're not deep state hawks. Their deep state snakes. These people are snakes. To give them the magnificence of referring to them as hawks is slightly misleading. Look, I want to come back to something that Dave mentioned about the Constitution. Just put this to the side about the fact that Congress actually has the role here over declaring war. I want to make a philosophical point. Congress, it's a nest of vipers and snakes. The present Congress as it is constituted is the last organization on the face of this planet that I would delegate war making authority to. I would trust Donald Trump. Donald Trump is at his best when he's communing with this movement, this vertical Communing with maga, he's at his best. It's when he gets wrapped in and sucked in and encapsulated and surrounded by Congress that I think that there are the issues to behold. And the big beautiful bill is just an example of that. Any organization that presents to the American people this big beautiful bill and say we've done a great job, is the last organization I would lead anywhere near to this war with Ukraine. Donald Trump needs to MAGA effectively with all the agency that this great movement has, that the war in posse has. MAGA with his agency needs to hold Donald Trump's feet to the fire. He promised to do something which was end this war within 24 hours. He started to walk it back saying he was exaggerating. You know, and this movement, if I can say this ever so gently, with all love and respect to potus, he has been commissioned by this movement to do a job. Fundamentally, the President Donald Trump is responsible to this movement. He works for this movement. He is there to represent this movement. And when he said, sorry, I give way on this point when he says he will end that war in 24 hours, that is exactly why he was elected into office.
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Steve Bannon
I got that. And this movement knows that. But you heard what Rickard said today. We could end the war immediately, but you have to give in to the Russian maximalist. And remember, we have been against this war from beginning. We've been against the party of Davos, Brussels, the whole eu, what they've done to instigate this. But to solve it now, you would have to give in to Putin's maximalist positions on everything across the board. Do you think President Trump should do that or he's trying to work to get at least a fair deal? Look, we oppose, as you know, the economic deal with Ukraine, but President Trump is at least trying to get something that appears to be fair to both parties. Do you think he just sort of caved a Putin and say hey, it's yours and move on?
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Ben Harnwell
Well, you know, in a sense the suggestions of false dichotomy because this reality that Congress believes that it can somehow manipulate the outcome of this war without entering into full on kinetic third world war level is false, right? America, Spain, along with the United the European Union, that these two blocks did everything they could already to defeat Putin and it hasn't happened. So that you then need to ask yourself the question, you know, where do we go from here? What, what was being tried consistently hasn't worked. In fact, it's impoverished Americans more than, more than anything. Else, Lindsey Graham talking about a new round of sanctions. It's just performative. He is shilling for the military industrial complex. Everybody knows that. And you say to me, okay, Han. Well, do we give in to Putin's maximist demands? Well, frankly, we create the west. NATO, we created this in the first place. There was either. The outcomes were either we would back down and after spending 200, 300 billion, we would end up backing down humiliatedly, or we'll go all the way through and have some kind of nuclear war with Russia or Russia stroke China. Those are the two cards on the table. I don't see what the third possibility is, apart from this long meat grinder type war of attrition, which we're not going to win for a number of different reasons, least of all because this is an existential war for Russia, as it's not for us. So those are those, those are the possibilities. Yes, Steve. Yes, yes, yes. To give you a yes or no answer, yes, we give in to Putin's maximist demands because we created this situation.
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Steve Bannon
Brett, Brett. Your observation, sir?
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Dave Brat
Jens only increase over time. Yeah, yeah, we were debating two or three regions, now it's four or five regions plus. And so, yeah, it's. Trump has tried to be fair, as you said, but fairness in war. Putin holds all the cards. He's taken the ground. And you better make a deal of any sort before the terms get even worse.
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Steve Bannon
Ben Harnwell, can you give your. Your social media. How do people keep up with you? Because do you agree with me that we are now in a absolute crisis mode in this Ukraine situation? What's happened over the last 72 hours, folks, if you're not paying attention, you better, because they've got a full scale air war, a modern 21st century air war. And I believe Alex Jones 100% on this about this assassination attempt on Putin. You've had fleets, I mean 500, 600,000 of these drones, highly sophisticated drones with advanced target acquisition, fire control solutions hitting on both sides. And, and it's only, it's only escalating. So, Harnwell, where do people go to get your blinding insights from our outpost in Rome?
- [22:33]
Ben Harnwell
Look, Steve, let's just deal with this assassination attempt. Just 30 seconds. Let's assume it had been successful and they just, they'd taken Putin out.
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Steve Bannon
What would.
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Ben Harnwell
The Russian military would then take control of the state? What would their next response be vis a vis Ukraine? What do you think it would be, Jim? Leveled.
- [22:51]
Steve Bannon
They would level Kiev. They would, they would level Kiev. Level Kiev.
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Ben Harnwell
Exactly. What Would the United States military do if the president's plane, if Air Force One was taken down and we knew the nation that did it? Right. What do you think the United States would do as a response? Russia will do exactly the same. You know, this is the degree of folly that Zelensky is in. And President Trump needs to clarify this situation for the American people. Whether he is delegated to Zelensky the ability to choose whether America gets pulled in against its will into this war even further. We are in a. Do you believe, do you, as you.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Said.
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Steve Bannon
Do you believe this tweet that that Russian military command is. Is not that they're saying to do it, but they're running alternatives about the targeting of Berlin?
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Ben Harnwell
That's Russian media. I have to look. When you talk about the drain, the drone attacks, I try not to form my analysis on the basis of these tit for tat drain drone figures and anything coming out of Russia media. The only reason I believe this TASS story with regards to Tommy Bruce is because it seems credible to me, but I haven't found. And Steve, look, this is a story in and of itself. Why is there zero reference to this Tammy Bruce declaration in any Western newspaper? Simply not there. Normally I don't allow myself to form my opinion based on Russian media outlets. The Tommy Bruce thing I think is credible. The thing that you're mentioning, the tweet, I don't know and I'd hesitate to comment on it. Why would I hesitate to comment on it? Because a direct attack on Berlin would presumably trigger the Article 5 response from NATO. What I think is saving.
- [24:46]
Dave Brat
One last comment here. I made the observation of what's at stake economically for our lives here. President Trump and the Congress. Right. Harnwell's right about the Congress. They're feckless on these matters. They've proven it over the past couple years. But the president needs to shine the light on Congress and make them come up with authoritative statements on all the pressure we can bring to bear on Russia. And we need to use the trade, war and every lever we have to go after China to put maximal pressure on Russia as well. As long as Europe and all our friends. Right now, you need to play very strong and hard.
- [25:23]
Steve Bannon
Okay, Brett, you're going to stick with me. We're going to go through the President's economic plan as outlined by the great Dr. Peter Navarro. Ben, you're going to bounce. We want to thank you for staying up with us tonight in Rome. Where do people go to get all your great insights?
- [25:38]
Ben Harnwell
Thanks, Steve. Thanks Dave on Getter, my social media platform of choice. Tap in my surname at Harnwell. Got some great posts at the top of my feed awaiting you folks. Thanks Steve. God bless. Catch you tomorrow.
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Steve Bannon
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Mike Lindell
The most important trial ever begins in Denver next week. If that sounds like a bit of an exaggeration perhaps a completely wackadoodle claim. You should know that it's coming from my pillow guy and election denier, Mike Lindell. Now, in fairness to Lindell, I am sure that it is the most important trial ever to him because he is the one who is going to be on trial, accused of defamation for saying that Denver based Dominion Voting Systems and one particular ColoradoDan rigged the 2020 election against Donald Trump. Truth is an absolute defense against defamation. So if Lindell can come to court and prove that he was telling the truth about election rigging, he's in the clear. I actually think that this upcoming trial deserves more attention than it's getting because this is the chance for election deniers to provide their proof of the alleged conspiracy, the one that the most powerful man in the world, president of the United States, will not stop talking about, even now that he's back in the White House. But I think I know why this upcoming trial in Denver is largely being ignored. Let's start with the media. It seems like a lot of national journalists are just tired of covering Trump's election rigging lies. They're now five years old. I also believe that a number of Colorado's local journalists are skittish about covering political extremism. It draws accusations of bias and threats of violence. And if we're being totally honest, it's a lot more complicated to cover than much of what ends up on the evening news. Now, let's talk about the general public. I think a lot of Democrats are hesitant to talk about Mike Lindell's election rigging claims because they don't want to give fuel to theories that erode faith in our elections. I think a lot of Republicans are hesitant to talk about this, too, because while you see a bunch of Republicans nod along in agreement with Trump's election rigging claims, when people have to explain exactly how the elections are rigged, that's when folks start to sound goofy. Like the swirl of claims that Dominion is rigging the vote with help from Antifa or Venezuela or George Soros. The people pushing those theories for years have always seen said they want their day in court. Well, they're going to get it in Denver starting next week.
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Steve Bannon
Wow. We played that this morning and it blew people away. Michael and Dell joins us now. Mike, get us an update. You're ensconced in Denver and I agree. I think this, they're not covering it because first off, they don't want to see the facts out there. This, this trial could be a game changer. And you're an American hero for pursuing it. Because you could have settled. Your folks should know this is a roll the dice move of a former degenerate gambler. Mike Lindell, your thoughts are.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Yeah, Steve, I'm the only one that in my pillow is being sued to that has taken it all the way to jury trial. Now everybody else so far has settled their insurance company. We want to sell, even even though they're right, it doesn't matter. They're saying we want to sell because it's all about money or you put out of business. That's what law fair, everybody. What law fair. When? The day that, when Smartmatic sued Fox News on February 4th of 2021, that started lawfare in our country. According to Alan Dershowitz, it hadn't been done since 1790s, the 1790s, and it was over 100 people or close to 100, and platforms that were sued and also threatening letters sent out to many, many individuals back then. And, but all these people, they got scared, you know, and their insurance company say we have to settle. This is so important. A couple of things just now, I was just looking over. I've been here with the lawyers and stuff for about a week and they said to list all the experts that have worked with me on this and all the, the cyber people and the, on the, the government and colonels and, and, and generals. Well, it is 38, 38, you know, so when they say, well, how do you know this? I don't know anything about this. I'm a numbers guy. I've seen deviations in the, in the elections, all the elections. I mean, everybody's seen them. Now, Steve, where you see 81 million people that voted for Biden, 65, Obama, 60, 66 or whatever it was for Harris and, and it going back 65 for Clinton. You got all this in 81 million. Come on. That's a little bit of a deviation. Or a Democrat. We're bringing up a trial that got zero votes in her own precinct. Her and her husband live in Georgia. These are deviations that you have to explain that need explanations. It's like, you know, if you have a thing on your bank account, everybody that's, that doesn't match what the bank tells you. You know what they do? They go in and see if it's a computer. They open it up and say, oh, here it is, it was a computer error or that or you're wrong, whatever. But we've never been able to do that. Just this week here, it's kind of these blessings are coming in Remember everybody, this all ties to T. Peter's being in jail, in jail for nine years. This gold star, Mom. It's so sad that this attack and this suppression here in the state of Colorado, everybody, in the spring of 2021, they did something called the Trusted Build. Remember I was sued by Dominion and they did this Trusted Build. Well, that Trusted Build was deleted. Thousands and thousands of files that by federal law, you have to hold those records for 22 months. Here in Colorado, it's 25 months. So this, all these things were broken and it's all called. And also that's called spoliation in my case. That was some of my evidence. You just deleted it. And so the end right now in Arapahoe County. This is two weeks ago, everybody. Just two weeks ago. This is going to be brought up in the trial. This all came out two weeks ago. There was stuff that happened in the 2020 election and everyone says, well, why do you keep looking back to that? Well, those are the biggest deviations. But it happens in every election. And as you all know, what have I been fighting for, Steve, to get to? Paper ballots hand counted. 132 other countries have banned electronic voting machine. What's wrong with the US and the stuff they're saying is that reporter there that said that I accused her that it did this and this. One of the things, Steve, is when you have a case like this is defamation. You, you. I think it approved that. I don't believe what I'm saying. Everybody knows I believe what I'm saying because it's true.
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Steve Bannon
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Dave Brat
We need.
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Stephen K. Bannon
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Steve Bannon
We'll see. We're most powerful promo code in the world. Go hit it today. Support Mike Lindell. Thank you, brother. We'll see you tomorrow morning. Mike Lindell and Denver. I've got, I've got Brett. We're going to break, break down Navarro's report. Brad's going to do it for me. But I got to get Brian Costello in here for a couple of minutes because this morning Brian was watching the show. Brian, you're our expert on with Joe Alan. Artificial intelligence. You really did disagree with Jim Rickards. I need to get that out there before I go through this economic report because I think the economic report is based upon advances in artificial intelligence. He said there's no creativity, all you do is history, that the machine can't be creative. You vehemently disagree?
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Brian Costello
Yes, Steve. I mean, I sent you the perfect example, right? Is they had. People need to understand there's different types of artificial intelligence. And we also have a couple things going on. We have artificial intelligence merging with autonomous technology and robots right at the same time. So there is a lot of creative innovation going on here. This stuff learns on its own, Right? We know that artificial intelligence, and this was a while ago, I forget the actual year, but there's something called Move 37 where a type of AI called reinforcement learning beat the best GO players in the world. And it did a move that nobody else didn't. Didn't do. We're working with this stuff every day, Steve. And it has the ability to create unique information, discover patterns at scale. There's a reason, you know, all these companies are throwing money into biotech R and D using AI. These guys aren't stupid. These are guys that have built some of the best companies in the world and deployed capital. So I think we need to be very careful as populists and people who care about America and the country. We need to not say like, hey, the AI stuff isn't real. Like we're not getting anything creative in it. It's very real. And it's attacking the middle class and our populist position can't be like AI just bad. There are bad things about it, right? It is going to make weapons more autonomous, as you talked about on the show earlier. That might make leaders more likely to use these weapons because they don't have to put people in arms ways. They can send drones or military robots and things like that. So there are some negative sides to it, but there's also an innovative side of it we need to embrace and we need to figure out how to take people in this country that this levels of playing field. So I know you're one of the few people that have covered it. I think I'll be the second. It's like why have we left black and Hispanic populations down in tech? Now they have this tremendous tool. You don't actually have to be a software coder to develop software. Right. So this should help us bring these populations into the tech world. And there are positive things that we can do with this. And we need to be careful. This stuff's very, very powerful. It's a huge change. Computers. Computers can reason now. Right. And we can't ignore that.
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Steve Bannon
This is scary. Computers. I want to get you. I'm going to talk to you. I want to get you on the Marshall. I got to go through. You have a model. The efficiency model versus the productivity model. We're going down the efficiency model. That's what the white collar apocalypse is going to be. We got to bounce. Brian Costello. Where do people go? Put your Twitter feed up, dude. Because you come in hot on Twitter.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Okay.
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Brian Costello
On X. On X. It's BP Costello. So I've fully transitioned to calling it X. So versus Twitter. And by the way, every time Mike is on Costello. Yeah, by the time. Every time Mike's on before me my mom some new pillows. So he's at least getting one sale out of this.
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Steve Bannon
Brian Costello. We'll see you tomorrow. Brian's come up the whole model. Efficiency versus efficiency versus productivity will blow you away. Dave Brat. We got 10 minutes. I need you to take and let's get it up. Denver Navarro finally came out and wrote it. The White House should be pushing this hard. Walk me through the Dave Brat analysis of Peter Navarro's full plan of this is what it is not not scored by cbo but a real economic model, sir.
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Dave Brat
Yeah. Well, Navarro has his finger on it as usual and he's giving conservative analysis here. And the war room always brings receipts, right? So in D.C. everyone lies constantly. So you gotta check all of us out. I'm a pro growth guy. I love it. But growing your way out of this, this is the problem, right? The dump that Donald Trump, President Trump has been left with is horrible. But Navarro goes through the structure of the big beautiful bill. But he first lays out what's called scoring by the Congressional Budget Office. And that is dictated in law and custom through Congress. So it's very boring. But they use old Keynesian models. They don't like supply side. Right. Shocker. They're all leftists and Democrats. And quasi Marxists now. So they're going to do everything they can to downplay the benefits of economic growth and capitalism and using free markets. Right. So what's the evidence? The evidence Navarro shows in the article. Back in 2017, they scored growth at about 1.8%. And shocker, they were wrong. We outpaced that under Trump, growth went instead of 1.8, 2.8%, 1 full percentage point higher. That is not a small thing in economics. When you get 1% full growth more. Right. Then that brings us up to the big beautiful bill. They scored this similarly, even worse, 1.7% economic growth scored out of the tax cuts. And it's like, you guys, how can you be this wrong over time every time? And so what does that matter? Well, the way it scored, this big beautiful bill is going to add, you know, 3.8 trillion to the, to the deficits over the next years. And Navarro shows no, if you just score it with 1% higher growth, which we had in 17, it's fact based, it's science based. That 3.8 goes down by about 2 trillion at least. So you're down to half already. Then he throws in the tariff story. The CBO has refused to score the tariff story at all. And again, some of that's just legalistic mumbo jumbo the way Congress allows this and not that. But Republicans have been sitting on their hands forever not changing these rules. We need to change it. So Navarro shows, hey, we're going to get revenues right, Even if you just do the very conservative case of 10% tariffs across the board, guess what? You get about at least 300 billion, all the way up to $2 trillion in savings. So if you get the 2 trillion savings out of the scoring and the 2 trillion out of the tariffs, guess what? The bill pays for itself. And it's honky dory. And you sent the country on a positive, virtuous cycle of growth. Right, the tariffs. Peter's honest. He says tariff wears off. But in the meantime, you brought all the capital back into the US and any business guy, he says, any business person knows when you bring capital back, that's the best thing you can ever have for our economy. And then we're at it. And then your AI story, you know, you mentioned the potential growth there is enormous. But that's a, that's a deeper discussion. But that's a simple summary of the Navarro piece. I think he's conservative his estimates. The hard piece is the tailwinds we got blowing at us from the Biden.
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Steve Bannon
Economy Right now you, you, you dealt with CBO in your time in Congress, you know, the restrictions, particularly on a reconciliation bill he has added in everything. And listen, right now Kobayasi has a tweet out. We're spending over 7%, I think percentage of deficits to GDP. This is getting more and more serious. What Navarro showing you with adding in the real growth rate, which means more tax revenue, adding the tariffs, which means more cash, actually trying to put a number around, around deregulation. Right. And lower energy cost. That $2 trillion deficits per year, which is every concern until you get to the mandatory cuts. You could cut that down. You actually may be able to cut that in half. And if you cut it in half to a trillion or less than all of a sudden you're at three and a half percent. It ain't great, but it's not unsustainable. We don't love it, but we can live with it, at least for a while until we get some smart American people see. We do. Then maybe you can go into the mandatories and make a case with hey, here's what we need to do. But they need to, you need to build up trust that you actually can handle the discretionary and growth and deregulation. Isn't that his pitch? And the White House Hassett ought to be selling this. Scott Besson ought to be selling this. Russ vote. They ought to be on the shows 247 hammering his, his article in the Hill. Don't you think, Brett?
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Dave Brat
Yeah, yeah. And I did. You should be yelling at me right now. I missed the buried lead. His whole thing was announ sentence to the bond market. He says the bond market, you guys are smarter than this. Right? Look at the evidence back in 17. So the bond market vigilantes are coming after, after the markets because the bonds, the tens are up and the thirties are up. And that's, that's scary. And Navarro's main point is you're thinking old, you're thinking old Keynesian terminology. You're relating your logic to the CBO economists instead of to history. And so he's showing you have two major effects here. The tax cut effect is going to be a full percentage point higher of growth, which means more revenues coming in, like you just said. And then you're also going to have the tariff revenues. Those are, those are guaranteed using a 10% baseline. He's not using the 30% or the reciprocal tariffs or anything, just a 10% baseline. Get you some big numbers. And so the bond market, hopefully this show they they know, they follow this kind of thing and they're rational actors so they'll spread the word. But they know we're not BSing here. And there's some real good news buried in how this all works out. It's just a matter we got to have our House and the Senate still cut spending. This in no way relieves Congress of the duty to cut spending. Right. And the. The unsustainable piece. I got some charts I'll do at a later date. But the debt blowing up and the consequences of the Federal Reserve and inflation over the years has just been horrendous and put us in this position.
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Steve Bannon
Dave Brat. Where do people go? You're putting up charts all the time. You get down to the math of it. Because a lot of people think Dave Brat is just a pretty face. That he's just looks like a movie star, you know, Brad Pitt. But actually he's a PhD. I don't call him Dr. Brett. Maybe I'll start doing that. Dr. Brad is a PhD in economics just like Dr. Navarro. He puts up the best charts. Where do people go on social media to get all your. Do you teach? Why don't you teach economics down at Liberty? You're one of the top economic thinkers in the country. I know you're a moral philosopher and you got all that. But Liberty is chock full of smart moral philosophers and philosophers and spiritual leaders. Why are you not teaching? Why are you not teaching economics down there?
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Dave Brat
Well, I'm following Adam Smith and trying to save western civilization, the Judeo Christian West. And once I do that with you and Navarro then I cannot wait to get back in the classroom. Brat. Economics on getter and on X. And I got 30 charts related to 1971, the start of the Federal Reserve system. You won't believe what you see. Marriage ages go way up. Childbirths go down. Black progress goes way down. Things you would not think related to 1971.
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Steve Bannon
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