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WarRoom Battleground EP 782:: The FBI’s Hatred Of Catholics Is The Same Evil As The CCP’s Hatred Of Lǎo Bǎi Xìng
WarRoom Battleground EP 782:: The FBI’s Hatred Of Catholics Is The Same Evil As The CCP’s Hatred Of Lǎo Bǎi Xìng...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
- [00:24]
Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul I w that any of these people had a conscience.
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Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Frank Walker
War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Liz Yore
Okay, welcome back. It's for June, year overlord 2025. Ben Harold was actually gonna be running the deal here. But we got some breaking news on what is really incredible, what's happening, and now it's just coming out. It's even more stunning. This is about the FBI, Senator Grassley, the attack by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. That's what it was on. The traditional Catholic. And the traditional Catholic Church in the Latin Mass started with an investigation in Richmond, Virginia by the field office directed by Chris Wray to tell the field office to look into traditional Catholics. They actually came up with the idea the reason is my parents perished, that they helped start when the Latin Mass was officially allowed to happen. But even in the Diocese of Richmond for decades, they had allowed Latin Mass, but they had not only on occasions, they had not allowed actually parishes to do it. My parents were there at the very forefront because they were shocked and stunned when the Catholic Church post Vatican II went to the new Mass. I mean, they just sat there and go, what is this? Are we Protestants? And now to find out the depth of trying to go and tie the hobbits, the traditional Latin Mass Catholics, which are the most patriotic people around, to extremism. And I just got cash for telling these guys. I don't understand, Bongino. I don't understand why people are not being. Perp walked out. Why entire sections are not being under investigation in front of grand juries. I just don't get it. And this is across the board on so many things, but this one right here is so obvious, particularly what Grassley brought up.
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Steve Bannon
Liz, can you get us up to speed? You've gone through the documents, these new.
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Liz Yore
Documents, and why does it take Senator Grassley to reveal these? Why didn't Cash Patel put these out.
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Steve Bannon
Day one, Ma' am, I don't know.
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Jenny Holland
You know, the war room posse I'm sure remembers we were hammering the FBI over this leaked FBI Richmond field memo way back when in 2023. We didn't buy the argument that they tried to sell us. Chris Gray, most importantly, that this was a rogue FBI analyst in a single FBI office. And now we have some of the documents. I think we're still, Steve, at the tip of the spear. This is but a blockbuster reveal by Chairman Grassley. And it turns out that the documents revealed by Chairman Grassley expose the depth and the staggering breadth of the dissemination of this field office memo targeting traditional Catholics as radical terrorists. And remember, OIG Horowitz said, oh, you know, there was no malicious intent. There's no evidence of that. Well, guess what, here we go. Here are the the documents that have been released. Number one, FBI analysts in the Richmond field office consulted agents in the Louisville, Kentucky office, the Portland, Oregon office, and the Milwaukee, Wisconsin field office as they crafted this memo. This included gathering also information not just about the Richmond Catholic Church, but also about Catholic traditional groups from the Louisville field office. There was even State, this is just so infuriating, a slide presentation produced by the Richmond FBI analysts entitled Radical Traditional Catholics Their Core Concepts. Now you tell me if this is, you know, radical conservative family values. And finding in the finding they made was that these core family values are akin to radical Islam ideology. So this is what your FBI thinks about the traditional Catholics. In fact, Steve, also in these documents, it shows that the Milwaukee FBI field office was notified that the FBI analysts in Richmond were preparing this intelligence note related to Catholics and they also wanted more intelligence information. This was this Richmond memo was distributed to more than 1,000 FBI employees nationwide. And according to Grassley, who states in his letter to Director Patel that many FBI offices relied on the Richmond memo and placed these Catholic traditional groups under suspicion. And furthermore, according to Grassley, not one person in the FBI raised concerns or negative feedback related to this document. Furthermore, I mean, it's just incredible. Also, there are 13 additional documents that were used using anti Catholic terminology. And there was the existence of a second draft memo on the same issue for external distribution to the whole FBI. So I want to know, was the FBI analyst who drafted this fired? How about the special agent in charge of the Washington field office or excuse me, the Richmond field office who oversaw the scandal? Apparently he's still in place. But the lead is that this targeted operation against probably the most peace loving, patriotic people in this country was generated because the FBI's intelligence partner was the Southern Poverty Law Center. And Steve, it's unbelievable. And in an email which was released also From Grassley, the FBI's here's another office, Buffalo, New York office discussed the Richmond memo and stated, oh we have two of the nine hate groups meaning traditional mass going Catholics in our area, one in Buffalo and one in Niagara Falls, raising the question were these groups also placed under surveillance? You know, so Steve, there's many more questions I think that these documents raise. Director Wray repeatedly, according to Grassley, obstructed this investigation by not providing answers for months. Yeah, we also have testimony and no one at this point has paid for this outrageous violation of religious freedom. There's many, there's documents that have been deleted. Steve, Grassley's demanding that they be recovered. I think we really are at the tip of the iceberg. There's much more information that needs and.
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Liz Yore
You know it's going to be a, this is a massive investigation. All these people got to be imprisoned that did this going after traditional Catholics. Much more at the FBI. There's got to be in prison. But this is why I'm just not seeing any activity at all on Dan and Cash. And they say they've got great stuff going behind the scenes. Say maybe so but there's so many obvious low hanging fruit that should be perp walked out right now. Liz, what is your Ben, we're going.
- [08:27]
Steve Bannon
To turn it over to you.
- [08:28]
Liz Yore
Any comments, observations Harnwell on this massive really expose that's coming out from Grassley that's a jaw dropper about what the FBI did for targeting traditional Catholics.
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Ben Harnwell
Steve? Liz, good evening. Well firstly, let's just point out here for the viewers to remind them that amongst the many duplicitous events and activities of the FBI in this was the linking, this totally perverse linking of what they call radical traditionalist Catholics along with terrorism, which is something that the FBI was calling threat mitigation and source development. So that was the confection that they were trying to do there, put these two totally extraneous groups together. Steve, I would ask the question what when I see something like this taking place from these three letter agencies which I would not trust with a barge poll, is were they planning a false flag event in the United States? Having set the pretext, were they then preparing to follow through? But I'll just quickly before I hand back follow on what you and NIZ are saying about the need for trials here for imprisonments. And that's absolutely the case. It is also the case, I would suggest, that Chris Wray misled Congress in his testimony on this back In July of 2013, he deliberately misled Congress. So Steve, my first thing to say and we know the powers of congressional subpoenas because they put you away for four months because of this, because in obedience to the president of the United States, you didn't let's have some some congressional subpoenas. Let's call Chris Wray back to Congress and find out why he was lying. Why was he misleading, effectively, Congress and why was he misleading the American public?
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Jenny Holland
I'd like to see a criminal referral.
- [10:29]
Steve Bannon
To the Department of Justice and I'd.
- [10:32]
Liz Yore
Like to see FBI begin a full investigation, internal investigation.
- [10:35]
Steve Bannon
There's so much going on.
- [10:37]
Liz Yore
Ben, the show is yours. Liz, what's your where do people go? Because you're analyzing this as we speak. What's your social media?
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Jenny Holland
I'm everywhere on Elizabeth your and social media and my website is yourchildren.com.
- [10:51]
Liz Yore
Ben Harnwell, the floor is yours, sir.
- [10:56]
Ben Harnwell
Thanks very much, Steve. Denver I wonder if we might be able to bring in my other guests now as we carry on moving forward with the show. LIZ? Okay, so I can see Frank Walker here. Frank, I'm going to introduce your site. I know you've been on the show before. I'm going to introduce your great your your site, Canon 212, which is absolutely a superb resource. I'm going to give a little bit of an explanation as to as to what that is later on in the show. But you were listening to the exchange. Now you're listening to what Liz Yaw was saying about Chris Wray's misleading testimony to Congress. What's your view here on of a federal agency paid for by American taxpayers misleading the American public and doing this conflation between between terrorism, anti abortion and and traditional Catholicism? And I know that that Liz, your has a particular insight on this. We'll come back to her in a moment. But Frank, give me your reading straight away. What was what was your response when you saw this break?
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Frank Walker
Well, I wasn't surprised to see how the extent of it either. I think it probably goes a lot more a lot deeper, not only into American government and society, but also into the church, because why do they isolate this small group of Catholics to hit them every way that they possibly can, even if they have to be completely dishonest? What is it that they're afraid of? Why do they hate us so much? And what does that say about the difference between the faithful Latin Mass Catholics and the rest of the church, the Leo Church, the Francis Church? I think it Says that they've been really involved in the larger church. I think that church is a lot like what they want. And when you see especially the way the media has been responding to the new Pope Leo, they're just, they remind me of Operation Mockingbird media assets. You can see the deep state working in the Catholic faithful, Catholic media. Why? I think that they really fear the, the influence of the faithful Catholic voter. And that's my only guess so far, that means so much to them that they're even like they do in Germany against the ift, that party, those group of people. They are, they are not allowed to participate in society whatsoever. They must be crushed.
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Ben Harnwell
You ask the rhetorical question, Frank, why do they hate us? And I can tell you why. You know why in the United States, why? They hate you because you're good, decent, hard working people. That's why the regime hates you. And today is a perfect day to remember this. What is it, the 4th of June today, right. This is the, I think the 36th anniversary of Tiananmen Square. Right. What a perfect day to remember that because it's exactly the same reason why a corrupt government, godless atheist regime hates Chinese people, the ordinary decent working people in China. It's the same hatred, I would suggest, Frank, it has a preternatural basis to it. It's elementally satanic. I think when you see these godless atheist regimes punishing the most decent, ordinary, hard working members of their population, there is a hatred in that dynamic, I think, that goes beyond what, what the ordinary intra human relationships, the hatred that comes out. I think there's a spiritual element to that. And on this day, you know, I would definitely like to mention that. Liz, let me come back to you because I know that you have a thesis here which I'd like to, for you to bring on to the war room about. Exactly you. Because your thesis, if I've understood this correctly, is that this isn't simply the FBI punishing traditionalist Catholics, is it? You seem to. You put your finger on this, you believe that actually there might well have been some kind of coordination, let me put it like that, coordination with the Catholic Church hierarchy itself. Tell us a bit more about that, will you?
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Jenny Holland
Sure. You know, we know about Traditiones Custodas, the encyclical from Pope Francis that literally crushed the Latin Mass around the world. Specifically, Francis was concerned about the Latin Mass not only thriving with young people in the United States, but also in Europe. It was, and we have seen the suppression of the Latin Mass even this week coming from the Diocese of Charlotte. So there is a hatred, I would say, by the deep state and deep church of the traditional Catholics. The timing is just. It's just too coincidental as far as I'm concerned. When you have traditionis custodas being imposed in 2023, and then you see using the strong arm of the FBI to impose a weaponization and intimidation of Catholics, it's not unlike what's going on in China. One of the things that you cannot do in a Latin Mass is strip the altar of all the sacramentals and all the beauty and transcendency. But what are we seeing in China? Xi Jinping, who wants to be the God of all, is stripping the patriotic church of even its sacramentals. And so there is, and we know that the CCP's partner is the Catholic Church. With this suicidal deal that they made for the, the ccp, the atheistic ccp, to appoint its own, the Catholic bishops. We now have a Catholic cardinal appointed and approved by the CCP, who sat in the conclave to elect a new pope. So we know that the deep church, the hierarchy of the church, hates the traditional Catholics. We know that they have worked in collusion with the Obama administration, certainly in the Biden administration, coordinating the mass invasion of migrants. They've worked on a lot of these issues that have undermined freedom and undermined the integrity of the United States. But there is a certain hatred of the Catholic Traditional Church. That is, I think, and I think it is because it is the one spiritual, physical obstacle to the one world religion. And that's why they need to crush it and suppress it. And I think that's what's going on. And as we dig deeper into these documents and ask more questions, I think there is going to be some collusion that will surface.
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Ben Harnwell
Liz? Our Lord said, didn't he, no servant is greater than his master. If they hate you, if they hate me, they will hate you. That's, I think, that the fundamental origin of this, certainly in this context that we're talking about with regards to the FBI. Look, I just want to give a few words now, which we didn't do at the beginning. We're going to try something new with the war. Every Wednesday evening, I think, six to seven as we go out, we're going to be looking deep diving into what's going on. These spiritual elements that underlie the political scene. Especially, I think a lot of people are focusing on this after the death of Bergoglio and the election of Leo xiv. So as we were covering that very intensely, we're going to be keeping our eyes open. And that is exactly the point I want to make. Now, as we just finish off this first half of the show, I'm going to ask you both this. A lot of people are suggesting, and the War Room isn't one of them, and Canon 212 isn't one of them, but a lot of people are suggesting that we should give Leo time. You know, we should perhaps not be so hasty to judge. After all, he wore the red mozzetta, which is the little velveteen. Red velveteen cape, sort of shoulder cape that he came out on, on the Loggia. It's a subject for another time. Frank Walker. When I hear the words red mozzetta, I reach for my gun. Tell me on the back of what is going on today with this Senator Grassley revelations. Tell me. Or tell the people who are suggesting bombarding us with messages on social media, who say we should be a little slower in holding Leo the 14th, who is an American to account. What would you like to, you know, what would your advice be to them? Here's a great story for Leo really, to show the Catholic faithful which wind he's tacking to. Give me three minutes. What would your advice be to all the Give Leo. All we're asking is give Leo a chance brigade. What would your advice be to them and to the Vatican following the story? What intervention do you think can be made from the Vatican on behalf of ordinary put upon persecuted American Catholics?
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Frank Walker
Just a word. Just a word would be an awful lot if he could just mention the fact that the FBI has been persecuting faithful Catholics. I don't expect to hear that at all. I, I think that the people that are saying that he's, he's a. They just need to go slow. They just need to pay attention to the things that he says. He's, you know, I, every day I wake up and I think maybe they're right about him. Maybe he's going to, you know, not be so doctrinally, you know, destructive as Francis. And he, you know, he, if he just said, if he just did everything that Francis did and nothing new, that would be perfectly terrible if he did that. Today he's made a speech and he's taken the parable of the vineyard where the different people were hired at different times of the day, and he's turned that into a communist, you know, tirade against capitalism. And he says, well, God is teaching us that we need to wait for him or no, he waits for us. And it's just, you know, even Today, every day he comes out with something new. So if he just said a word about the. What they're doing in the. With the FBI, that would be wonderful, but I don't expect to see it because he's busy crushing the mass. At the same time, if you look at everything that he said so far about synodality, about ecumenism, you know, he met with a bunch of Jewish people yesterday. He wants them to give their canonization to one of Benedict's saints. I mean, not Benedict's, one of Francis's fake saints. He's. He's all about the Ukraine war, but he's on the Ukraine side. And even Francis was better than that. He affirms the death penalty, heresy. He's about fake news, disarmed communications. He. He wants to put Jesus over doctrine. Yesterday he came out with this horrible thing saying that if you're. If you. If you appeal a doctrine, then you'll never win everybody over. This. You have a moralistic, burdensome, unappealing religion, as if that were something that, you know, as if following Christ is something different than that. Yeah, I don't see how they. I don't see how they see that. This guy. They need to go slow at this guy. Only frankly, media.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, you just, you just mentioned how. How valuable and how talkative Leo the 14th is. And yet on crucial issues, seems to be strangely silent to. Just before we go over to give the last word in this half to Liz, just tell me, does that remind you of anybody? Someone who, frankly, would never shut up, but on the actual issues where you might have appreciated a word was nowhere to be seen. Who does that remind you of? Frank Walker.
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Frank Walker
Reminds me of Francis. Francis would never shut up. Yeah, definitely. He's definitely like Francis. And. Yeah, and there's so many people out there that will say that, you know, he's just. Well, yeah, more to the one side, he's more. More opus de. More neocon than. Than neo lib. But that's.
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Ben Harnwell
I think. I think. I think he's more. He's more intelligent and therefore. Than Francis and therefore being more intelligent, he's more subtle. Liz, I know you've got to go. Just, just. Can you just in. In the closing moments, give me just two minutes? Now, what would you like to see from Pope Leo XIV on this issue, and what would your advice be to Kash Patel? What do you want to see both from him as FBI director and Francis to show that there's really a substantial change in both of their respective offices?
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Jenny Holland
Well, heads need to roll. Both in the Vatican and in the FBI, for those that have been persecuting the faithful, Holy Traditional Catholics with big families, number one, the first thing I want to see from this Pope is a repeal of Traditionis Custodas, which is the suppression of the Latin Mass, which has become now what CEO would take a product off the shelf that is selling wildly, that is beloved by its consumers. That's precisely what they're doing with the Latin Mass, which makes you really wonder what are the motivations? So immediately he should repeal Traditionas Custodas. He should. With respect to the FBI, heads have to roll. I mean, the whistleblowers, Frank and Ben are still on indefinite unpaid leave. This is outrageous. This is outrageous. And you know, with Leo had the advantage of following what we have often talked about as the unstable Pope Francis. And just because he has a nicer and kinder, gentler voice does not mean that the dogma, the actions of Francis should not be immediately repealed and addressed. And I mean, you know, he's a young man. He's 69 years old. Get to it. Repeal the China deal, Repeal Traditionis Custodes. Repeal and answer all the Dubia questions that were submitted way back how many thousands of days ago by Bishop Arch Cardinal Burke. Go through all the climate change nonsense and repeal it and to restore really tradition and reverence back to the Catholic Church.
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Ben Harnwell
Listen, how about these two things to your superb list? A public exorcism to atone for the profanity of Pachamama. And also how about this, Leo, Lift the excommunications against the great hero of the faith, Archbishop Viganard. Look, Liz, quickly, 20 seconds. Where do people go to keep your, your keep up with your analysis, which is absolutely, absolutely unbeatable on these things.
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Jenny Holland
Thank you. I'm at your children.com y o r e and also I am all over social media every, you know, getter. Twitter under Elizabeth York.
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Frank Walker
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Ben Harnwell
Welcome back. So I'm joined as I was in, in the first half with Frank Walker that the founder and editor of Canon 212 and by Jenny Holland. Jenny, the War Room posse will remember, I think probably had one of the, the greatest hits we've had since I've been guest hosting as an atheist who prays the rosary every day and is very happy to talk about the spiritual fruits of praying the rosary. That's a fascinating story and I think we're going to be sort of leaning on that, Jenny, just in a few moments when we dive into this story here about why Gen Z is turning to the faith. But first, Frank, let's start off with you because there's this development here in the UK that happened this week in the magistrates courts and I think it's absolutely astonishing. Do you want to just give us a, a quick intro so to what happened here in my beloved homeland?
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Frank Walker
Well, it sounds to me like he's a, he's an Armenian in, in the UK and he's a, he's a, a regular activist against Islamization, which is in, in the UK and in Ireland. I know it's a, it's a big deal. We don't, in the United States, it's not so much, we don't think of it so much, but there it's becoming quite a problem. And as part of his effort to, you know, get everything going, he burned the Quran and he, he was attacked for this. And they said he was probably attacked with a knife, but that they haven't made that perfectly clear or not. And I think they said maybe it wasn't a knife, I don't know. But they were both arrested and he was charged and convicted with, of, you know, causing a disturbance and also sort of a hate crime in that country because he, it was an Islamist thing and that really it was done by, I think it's called the cps, which is not really that it's an illegal ruling against him because there's a, they canceled blasphemy laws. About 10 or 15 years ago, they had something akin to a blasphemy law in the uk. And. But they, but they said that, no, it was the public nature of it that made it illegal and the fact that it upsets. So I guess if you upset somebody enough in the uk, you can. It's illegal these days, and so.
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Ben Harnwell
It only depends who you upset.
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Frank Walker
Yeah, that's right.
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Ben Harnwell
Not all degrees are. Not all degrees are equal, I'm afraid, in the uk. This is absolutely fascinating. So here's a guy who was convicted of a racially aggravated public order offense. Now hold on to those words, right? A racially aggravated public order offense. Because you mentioned the cps. For our American viewers, that's the Crown Prosecution Service, it's the state prosecutor. And they basically said, they quoted. I won't read it out because half of my salary already goes into the Sig Swear box. I'm not going to risk losing any more of my income. But it's basically f. Islam, and Islam is a religion of terrorism. And you look at those quotes that he said and you think, hang on, where's the racial elements in this? The guy was convicted of racially aggravated public order offense and his criticism is against Islam. I don't know how to break this to my beloved homeland, but Islam is not a race, it's a religion. So I think that's absolutely clear. This is absolutely clear that it's a return to blasphemy laws via the back door. As you correctly say, they were abolished in the UK some 50 years ago. One of the reasons that we know what the CPS is doing is trying to bring in blasphemy via the back door. It's because they originally charged this guy, who's an atheist, with harassing the religious institution of Islam. And the judge basically said, well, you know, you can't quite do that. So they changed. They simply took the same material and represented it under a different prosecution heading. Jenny, look, tell me. So this guy's an atheist. From one atheist to another, what's your, what's your reading of. Do you like the segue there? What. What's your reading of. Of this story? Because you're in London right now, tell me your perception of where we are now in the uk.
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F
Well, if anyone was surprised by the prosecution of this man, they shouldn't be. I think the situation in the UK is fairly well known in terms of its crackdown on, not just on free speech, but particularly free speech committed by a particular demographic against certain protected other demographics. And Ben, you And I months ago spoke about the demographic reality of the United Kingdom and the booming Muslim population.
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Ben Harnwell
So.
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F
And the. The political power that comes along with that, that is a reality and that is melding with a censorious captured professional managerial class, much like the United States has specifically the judiciary. So this is not. This is 100% a foregone conclusion. I'd also like to remind everyone that there is to this day a young British schoolteacher who is living essentially in witness protection program because he dared to show a Charlie Hebdo cartoon to his students at a small village grammar school in West Yorkshire. So bately Grammar school teacher caused such outrage that he had to go into hiding with his partner and young children and fears for his life. And I think that was about four years ago. So if, if your life can be in danger in West Yorkshire for showing a cartoon because of the class topic of blasphemy, then that gives you an indication of where the UK is at.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah. I want to point out that, you know, Frank mentioned this in his introduction to this particular case, that, that there's apparently a passerby whose background isn't referred to other than him being a passerby, but apparently he was carrying a knife. I will let the war impossible draw their own conclusions and fill in the backstory from these elemental facts as they stand. What is fascinating to me, of all the horrific elements of this story, what is perhaps the most astonishing to me is that the guy who was criticizing Islam was. Was convicted on Monday. Right. Two days ago. The guy who knifed him, who can't be mentioned for, you know, because. Gotta have a fair trial. Presumably that's why they not mentioned him, his name. He's not gonna get trial until 2027. So the, the CPS, the beloved Crown Prosecution Service, the UK, you can really see how they're prioritizing the most serious offenses first. Right. Let's get. Let's get the guy who said some nasty words, right? Let's convict him and then we'll move on to the guy with the knife. Absolutely shocking. And I guess. I guess I. It'd probably be slightly exaggerated to say coming to the United States, coming to a town near you, but there are elements that are places in the US where this sort of thing, if these dynamics continue, where these things will be seen, I think. Frank, what's your take on that?
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Frank Walker
Well, I think they did the equivalent of a Freedom of Information act request to see how often this kind of thing is happening in the UK and how many charges like this are prosecuted and they said there were so many that they couldn't count them. They wouldn't really give it to them. So behind the scenes it's like Sharia law happening in the uk. And I think, you know, in an issue like this with the, with the, you know, I think you can burn a Bible, but if you have a Muslim population in their, in their communities, you cannot burn a Quran. You're always going to provoke this kind of response. So I would expect that one way or another you can't have a democracy in this kind of a situation. In the United States, it would probably happen one way or another eventually that they would maybe like they're in the uk, get around the laws, have sort of shadow governments and Sharia law in the background and do whatever they can if they want to keep bringing in a Muslim population. I don't see how freedom of speech can be handled in this kind of environment, you know, so we'll get that.
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Ben Harnwell
You know what, I think I was going to mention this at the end of the show, but I think now is the right time to talk about the Open Doors Report, which is an annual report by this international human rights organization that monitors Christian persecution on a global scale. And this report highlights the fact that 380 million Christians face currently facing present tense brutal persecution. Where in the world, where in the world are they facing this persecution? Well, in the top 10 countries it's all old friends. Yet again, it's the, the religion of peace, apart from one country in that top 10, which is north Korea. So, you know, take a look. Christians around the world, you know, it's either going to be Islam or it's going to be the communists. And that is the situation, you know, again, again, you know, Frank, I want to come to this, excuse me, the journey. I want to come to this story now about Generation Z. But before I do, this would be another story of if we had more time to say this is something before people fall over themselves saying, oh, you know, isn't the holy Leo so wonderful and so great and such a refreshing change. This is something that he could actually intervene on, I think directly, this Christian persecution story. And name names. Jenny, tell me now, as I said, you're an atheist, you pray the rosary every day and you get the spiritual fruits from that. Tell me about this article in the Financial Times today, which I think not today, excuse me, from a couple of days ago, which is particularly, I think, interesting on a number of points. Why don't you just give us a quick outline of the details. Sure.
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F
But As a segue. I just want to say that we need to focus the blame where it's due. And that is the British professional managerial class which much like the American one is very self loathing and demoralized and has no sense of pride in their history or their nation and that that's who is allowing these terrible things to happen against people in the United Kingdom. And I think just to move on to the Gen Z story, I think there is a sense in the ether among people who, who are able to see and able to kind of sidestep the massive cultural programming that we're all subjected to. They're able to see the demoralization, the greater demoralization within mainstream society and the emptiness of it. And that's putting it mildly because it ranges from empty to horrifying. If you want to go down and look at, you know, sex change surgeries for children and, and ninth month abortions and things that are, that are sort of horrific and barbaric and I think young people are looking up at the, their elders and finding us lacking. And they are not wrong to do so by the way. They are actually correct to do so. So this FT story was very interesting partly because also at least one of the protagonists in this report described herself as a queer polyamorist. So I don't know how that works with her Christian conversion, but I would be curious to find out more. But again, young people are searching. In fact, they're fleeing, they're fleeing the identities of that they have been given by this toxic identity politics society. They're desperate to recreate themselves. And if they're finding that rebirth, which is what one of these people who was interviewed for the FT was basically describing, be able to recreate a self through Christian baptism, then that is the best possible outcome because at least then this, this person, this individual then hopefully adopts a sane and humane moral framework which then will ripple out to the wider society.
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Ben Harnwell
Frank, it says here in this article that Generation Z's attendance at church has quadrupled in recent years. And it's shaping up to be the first new generation in a very long time to be making the country more, not less religious. Is it going to be enough?
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Frank Walker
Well, the, I agree with what Jenny said completely just now. And I think when they, you have very secular people, I mean that in that Financial Times article, I think they have a Princeton Divinity School person who had become a Catholic and she's, I mean she's bringing a lot of baggage up to the Catholic Mass which is already sort of, you know the new Mass and. But there's graces in that. So I think if whatever form it's taking right now, if they're getting closer to saying the rosary, going to the Mass, it's going to improve the situation quite a bit. You know, they say a lot, a lot of the priests are a lot more conservative, the younger ones. You know, I don't know, you know, when I see a across the media poll like this, I, I question, you know, how accurate it is. But you know, it's a long way to go from the venity school at Princeton to a faithful Catholic. But I think that like the articles are saying, they they've grown up in this, in these family situation that's so destroyed and they're also after the COVID they're seeing such tyranny and these things are driving them closer and closer and God, even without anybody's help is going to work in their can work in their life and work miracles. Just looking, even though as secular people just looking at their own virtues and their own sacrifices and giving them some mercy, he can really bring them a long way. So I think that, you know, the progress is good.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I can't help but think, you know, if the church had been exactly as it was in 1962 and if the Second Vatican Council had never taken place, I just think what an amazing citadel of attraction it would be to a lost secular age. As Jenny was sort of saying earlier this the meaninglessness of just the godless atheistic values of our parents and grandparents generations which is now all kids, especially kids now sort of millennials generation, seeing what have you, that all that's their inheritance. They sort of, I think have the feeling that they have that the family gold has been sold and all they've been left with is a handful of colored beans which are absolutely meaningless to them. And you know, I know, I know, I know sort of people a lot younger than me who go to, you know, tried to step into a Catholic church, perhaps thinking, knowing something of it via media and it's not what, you know, that it's just sort of platitudinous and there's not really the depth there. Exactly. You know, if the church hadn't made that mistake, huge mistake in the 60s, I just think it would, it would, you know, if it had so much more of the visibility, the visible unchangingness of it, it would be a huge draw to be. And many people are going to Islam. This is the thing coming back to the, to, you know, to, to Islam for, for three decades it has been the fastest growing religion in the UK because Islam doesn't, famously doesn't really move with the time. And yet that in a, in a calculation, countercultural sense can actually be appealing. I think it is appealing. So we have this absurd situation where a fake religion, a false faith, a false religion in a certain sense is more appealing because of the way it is presented than the true faith, the true revelation to mankind in Jesus Christ. Jenny, just give me just 30 seconds, if you will. What do you do? What do you see here? Because I think this is a fascinating dynamic about the fact that these guys, and young guys, young men specifically, who are accelerating ahead of women on the religiousness metric. Does that strike you as odd or something that you would expect to see?
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F
No, it didn't strike me as odd at all. It tracks very much with a lot of research that says that young men are far more politically and socially conservative as well than young women who are getting more liberal and more left wing. But also, you know, I have a young man son and they, they need and they yearn for meaning and structure and they respond well to anything that will give them that. Actually, they are also, they're being bombarded with the most debased and extreme promiscuity that I think the world has ever seen in the history of humanity. And for a large number of young men and boys, this is a disgusting turnoff. This is not something that brings them joy and happiness and pleasure. They find it repellent, and rightly so. So they're seeking a refuge from this onslaught because they're essentially being psychically experimented on in a huge number of ways. And the ones that can see that happening are going to flee to a saner, safer haven and moral structure.
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Ben Harnwell
Jenny, I wish we had more time to break this down. Perhaps the two of you would be kind enough to join me at the same time next week. Jenny, you're the author of Saving Culture from Itself. You write for Spike. You also have a substack. Just tell us what, what the sub stack is where people can get hold of your analysis.
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F
It's Saving Culture from itself. And the URL is my name, Jenny E. Holland at Substack. Sorry.substack.com Jenny.
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Ben Harnwell
Many thanks, Frank Walker. I have to say, folks, I say this to evangelicals listening as much as I say this to Catholics. I go to Canon 212 every single day, several times. A hand on heart. It is the best resort source out there. I know you must get sick, Frank, of people calling you the Catholic Matt Drudge. But just tell me, just in 10 seconds, the site and the other site that you write for where people can get hold of your analysis. I cannot recommend Canon 212 enough.
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Frank Walker
Thank you, Ben. Canon 212 is just a collection aggregation of all the Catholic news and the news of secular news that is related to the Catholic Church. If you want to know exactly what's going on in the Vatican, not just not good news, but critical, honest, truthful news. That's what we do here.
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