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WarRoom Battleground EP 788: American's Bearing The Burden Of Foreign Cost
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Stephen K. Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Natalie Winters
And where do people like that go.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
To share the big lie?
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Natalie Winters
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Natalie Winters
War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Welcome to the War room. It's Thursday, June 12th in the year of our Lord 2024 5. It's Natalie Winters hosting for the fourth and final hour of War Room. Today though, I think we're probably still just scratching the surface of everything that is going on at here, home, abroad, you name it. But before we get into what is transpiring in the Middle East, I want to start with probably a War Room all time favorite. That is of course the one and only Dr. Naomi Wolf. The legacy media, mainstream media, whatever you want to call them, they're in complete apoplexy and meltdown over what RFK Secretary, RFK Jr. Decided decided to do when it came to the CDC vaccine advisory board. It's maybe touching like the fourth rail for, for some of these people in the media or the biopharmaceutical industrial complex. I wanted to bring you on to get your thoughts to sort of break down the significance of this move, if you think there is any to it and why they're in such meltdown.
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Sam Faddis
It's so funny, Natalie and thank you for having me back. I'm delighted to be with you. The hardcore MAHA advocates are kind of anxious. It seems like a very beautiful step in the right direction. A lot of these names on the AQIP committee, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that RFK Jr. Has identified as being people to serve under his oversight essentially. Well, they're a separate advisory panel when it comes to vaccines. Some of them are beloved in the MAHA movement, like Dr. Retsef Levy. He's consistently evidence based, objective, but he's been a very, very harsh critic for good reasons, for good scientific reasons of the MRNA injection for instance. Others are very famous, but I would say their bios are more complicated like war Room regular Dr. Robert Malone, who identifies himself as having been instrumental in creating the MRNA injection. And others are just a home run, like Dr. Martin Kulldorf, who is a friend of ours, we love him to bits. And you know, formerly of Harvard, a signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration and just a man of incredible integrity, scientific probity, balanced, a grown up, very, you know, very distinguished. So there are like two home runs, one kind of ambiguous, well known personality in my subjective opinion. And some are not well known in the Maha world and have kind of indeterminate backgrounds. All are highly scientifically credentialed. But the thing, you know, before we celebrate too much, and then I'll talk about legacy media. The thing that my colleague Shannon Joy points out is that he's appointed eight and the committee is traditionally made up of 17, so it's not yet a majority. So until we know who the majority are, who are still seats that are not filled, it's too early either to freak out or to celebrate, depending on which side you're on. And now very briefly, to the legacy media. I have been reading these incredibly skewed. It must be maddening to be RFK Jr. At this point because everyone's freaking out in opposite directions. The incredibly skewed coverage, for instance, by the Associated Press, npr, they focus on people they identify as sources of misinformation about vaccines. Again, never providing any evidence that it is misinformation, just calling them purveyors of misinformation. So they're upset that the, you know, the stranglehold of Big Pharma on that committee, which has been so lucrative for a pharmaceutical industry protected by the Prep act from any sort of litigation, any sort of accountability. Legacy media, which is largely funded by that very same industry, is upset that there may be objective voices on that committee.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
I'm curious to sort of take a step back, zoom out on just, you know, maha, which is sort of a nebulous term. Right. It can mean, I guess, whatever anyone wants. There is obviously some selective, I think uproar over the appointment of Casey means we saw a lot of different sides, sort of Maha kind of fracture on that point. Even I think I've seen people sort of questioning the background of her brother. Callie means sort of just these, you know, dare I say the word Manchurian Candidate types with these people have these, you know, resumes that sometimes maybe seem not too good to be true, but they've, you know, seemingly always been on the right side of every issue when they. Some cases just sort of popped up out of nowhere, drawing the parallel to, I think what War room has really been ahead of the curve on which is pointing out how a lot of the tech bro space, I think, has sort of tried to co opt some of the MAGA movement for profit, for power. Take your your pick. I feel like when you look at whether it's the weird kind of tax credits or subsidies in terms of that overlap, like I think Callie's company, Truman, there's just been some interesting reporting where there is perhaps I would say other motivations for, for people who are now suddenly, you know, rushing into the MAHA fold. I'm just curious your thoughts. I think you have a wonderful sort of bird's eye view on a lot of this. But overall the success of the MAHA agenda so far, even using the means kind of example as an example of that rather.
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Sam Faddis
Huh. Well, I feel like you've asked two really big important questions there, Natalie. One is what about the influence of the tech bros on. Well, you mentioned MAGA and I'd like to speak to the influence on MAHA because it is a problem for sure. So I'll do that first, if I may, and then assess maha's progress generally, if I may. So I'm really worried about it, Natalie. And part of why I'm worried about it is that one of my hats is I'm CEO of a tech company and you know, it's not Microsoft, but I understand digital technology and I understand the business models as a result. It was absolutely clear to me when I read a little bit about Kali Means's bio and his company Trumed, and then Casey Means Bio and her company Levels, and then looked into the incredible Silicon valley journey of levels.com, which again, it took me five minutes to find. So I do feel like someone in the White House isn't doing opposition research because if I could find it in five minutes, anyone can. Levels.com is an extraordinary Silicon Valley bubble in effect, which has some real problems. So basically it's a note new, not innovative technology. What is it? It plugs into your body essentially to harvest your biometrics, right. Continually as an insulin monitor. Allegedly. This is also the dream of Silicon Valley to get their, their. They've done everything they can do in our computers and in our phones, Natalie. They know the limits of growth to those business models. So Silicon Valley investors and technologists are dying to get into the new frontier, which is our bodies and our medical data, but especially biometrics, which is always changing, so always monetizable to be harvested and also the built environment, the Internet of things. So Levels is A magical answer to wanting to get into our bodies. Right. But also you look at its journey in terms of investment. It started six years ago. It has very few subscribers, like 12,500 a year. Most of them. Most of the people who visit the site are in Mexico, which has free health care. The third most common source of visitors is Singapore. So it's a very inorganic kind of distribution of users and it's very expensive. It's like an eighth of a Mexican person's monthly salary. You know, who are all these Mexican users? Why are there so few relative US Users? And then you look at the investment with no real traction, no real proprietary innovation, no new. The tech stack is not new. Right. Everything is, is, is not. There's. There's no new development of a technology. She, she had her last valuation. $313 million. $313 million. And then you go back to who's invested, and it's the same Silicon Valley venture capitalists who are invested in. Bingo, the MRNA vaccine. So. And the same thing with levels. It's a biometric. I'm sorry, the same thing with Truman. It's a, It's a biometrics harvesting company. That's what it's kind of sub companies do, including your brain waves. Like, that's been taken off of their platform since I last checked, but when I first checked its technologies to kind of harvest your brain waves and monetize them. And when you look at the terms of service, certainly of levels, and I know this sounds really nerdy, but it's really important. There is no privacy. It bypasses hipaa, and all these people want to bypass hipaa, which is the federal law that protects your medical data privacy, because that keeps them from monetizing your medical data and your biometric data. So. So the terms of service lets her sell your personal medical data to third parties that are unspecified. And this is just the dream. So to me, and the same thing with Cali means. And these people appeared kind of out of nowhere. I know she's got a popular website about insulin resistance in a popular newsletter, but I'm also a nonfiction writer and out of the gate with no priority book publication experience, they have a blockbuster bestseller that sells a million copies in hardcover. Like literally nothing does that, you know, in the publishing industry. And they got it, you know, big contract with a big publisher. Okay, you know, good luck, you know, right out of the bat. Very rare. But also with no previous company, no exit, no tech experience, she, you know, has a company with a 313 million dollar valuation without verifiable subscribers and with no growth or flat growth until, you know, very recently when she was in the news. So it looks really questionable, but it definitely looks like a biometrics play. And you know, early on, and I know that, I know that, that your co host sees this differently, but early on when I saw like Zuckerberg and Bezos and all these tech bros lining up sort of behind or next to President Trump, I didn't feel like he had them. I felt like, because it happened suddenly, right? It was like, okay, we're going to make him the winner, you know, we're going to align with him. It felt to me like Silicon Valley realized this is the future, they better get on board and make as much money out of it as they can. And out of the access and you know, I would just throw in Elon Musk there. Unfortunately, I saw in February that it was very likely that he. I was very worried about Elon Musk as a security risk because of the way, sorry, but the way Doge was going in and firing technologists whose job was to keep our data private and secure in the government and the way I can kind of suck up private data and expropriate it, basically. And I was very worried he would, he would set AI or his AI on our data sets. And I was also worried about him merging the different data sets because that can create a kind of everything app which he said he wants to create, which is one step from a social credit system. So since I warned about that, the signal scandal unfolded, which is exactly what I warned about, a national security breach of some magnitude because of the madness of using a third party digital platform whose job, I would say it was doges, to warn people about. And then, you know, other possible questions about where the, where Musk's AI has been in terms of, of our data sets. So that story isn't over yet, but it's, it's a very real risk. And I see, you know, with the announcement of building, you know, that President Trump made of building these giant AI cent, I do see that Silicon Valley is going to kind of align or has aligned with Maga and Maha, not because they share Maga's or Maha's policy goals at all, but because they can use those as cover for getting what they really want, which is our data and a bunch of favorable legislation and policies out of the President and RFK Jr.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
See, this is why we love having Dr. Wolff on the show. We'll definitely have to have you back soon. I think Steve would Probably love to get into all that with you. In the meantime, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with your writings, get the books, the Pfizer papers. Where can they go to do all that?
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Sam Faddis
Thank you. And I hope I haven't upset or offended anybody, but I've gotta call it like I see it.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
It's the truth. It's the truth.
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Sam Faddis
It's worth people knowing about and thinking about for sure. And that's what I love about War Room. You always bring the facts for people to assess for themselves. So we're excited about legisector.com that's what we're talking about these days. And it's@legisector.com and it's an industry specific legislative platform where you can get your own portal of whatever your industry is that you care about, whether it's tech or energy or cannabis or infrastructure, defense, family issues, it's all right there in real time. So please go to legisector.com and check it out.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Thank you, ma' am, for joining us.
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Sam Faddis
Thank you. Thank you, Natalie. Take care.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Nice to see you. There's obviously always incoming from both sides, not just the sort of new, evolving, I won't use the term enemy, but the tech bro, the sort of transhumanist, globalist, new right. But even big pharma, they've really been mounting a massive lobbying campaign with the big beautiful bill, trying to of course sink their hooks, their claws through something called the Epic act, which is basically a way to undermine what President Trump, I'm sure you guys remember the historic initiative, the EO that he put out, really bringing down prescription drug prices, something that Democrats talked about forever but never actually did. There's a good report on this. Again, we always have to be vigilant from the way that Big Pharma is trying to expand their influence. But the AFPI article, if you want to put that up on screen, how they're trying to essentially pass the price of prescription drugs, the trials, just the prices in general, onto consumers, onto the mag base. Of course they want to prioritize big pharma profits over not just your health and well being, but frankly, everything. So they're trying to tarnish what is the big beautiful bill. Americans shouldn't have to bear the cost. You can see the headline there, speaking of something else that Americans should not have to bear the cost of. That's any more loss of life to fight the wars of other countries, of other nations, especially those that we don't need to be involved and have no geographical proximity to us and are more proximal to other countries who are trying to get us entangled in those conflicts. I think that paradigm is probably replicated across the globe. Quite nicely honored to bring on none other than the wonderful Sam Fadis to walk us through who I'm sure I'll need to hold you through the break with what's been going on, but I think the posse would love your sort of assessment with what it looks like is going to be going down in the Middle East.
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Colonel Rob Maness
Well, unfortunately, I think we're standing on the precipice of seeing a, a broader regional war breakout. I'm not in favor of that. I think we've had enough conflict and enough war. But unfortunately, there are some significant issues here and we've kind of done everything we can to not address them under the Biden administration. So we've allowed this to trundle to a really, really critical moment. I mean, the immediate issue is this. The Iranians either already have nuclear weapons or are so close, essentially, it's almost impossible to stop them. And it looks like the Israelis are getting ready to stage one last ditch effort to attack their nuclear program. That is, assuming they know what to attack. And when they do that, all hell breaks loose.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
And I'm just curious, I think in the same way that when President Trump has spoken about Israel in the past, whether it was during his trip overseas, but even talking with Netanyahu, there's sort of been, I think, something that maybe is a slight fundamental shift where it seems like he's sort of doing things without the explicit approval or coordination with Netanyahu. But it seems like that is sort of then being reciprocated. And it seems like some of these attacks, I remember I was on Warm a few months ago and Prime Minister Netanyahu had held sort of a roundtable discussion with a bunch of journalists and influencers to try to, you know, more or less explain, convince why he thought that the United States would be supportive of striking Iran either alongside them or independently. And I don't really think the room was particularly swayed by that. But is this something that could happen unilaterally? Do you see the United States taking the lead in this, like that relationship? Is this sort of a transformational dynamic with what's going on?
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Colonel Rob Maness
It is certainly a dynamic now, and it's probably more pronounced right now. Has it always been there? To some extent? Yeah. Look, I've worked with the Israelis in the field and alongside of them have great respect for them. That said, their particular national interest in policy does not necessarily align completely with the United States at any particular moment. Right. And many Israeli governments have sort of exhibited this tendency to assume that they can make a decision about action they're going to take and then presume, given their political influence in the United States, that we will follow suit. And they have had periodically to be reminded that, look, men, we're, we are allies, but that does not compel us to do whatever you want at any moment in time. I don't assume we are going to back you just because. Just because we are allies right now. We're sort of at that. That has been, as you've noted, a really prominent thing, obviously, for, for some time now. I mean, certainly ever since. I mean, well, it was, it was there under Biden and it has remained under Trump. You know, look, the Israelis kind of want us to take this, this immediate hardline approach, bomb things in Iran. And the Trump administration is saying, okay, I got a whole bunch of questions like, why? What are we bombing? What happens the day after? One of the elements here is, as I noted, what are you bombing? Going to bomb the Iranian nuclear program and get rid of it. So unstated, there is the assumption, you know, where the Iranian nuclear program is, you know, where everything is, that you have to hit and you have the capacity to destroy it. I don't know what the basis of that that is. I suspect that is not true either for us or the Israelis, that we really know everything that we need to hit and how to hit.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Yeah, there's certainly a difference between, you know, allyship and subservience. But I'm also curious, from the broader geostrategic perspective, I think that this peels us away from what is not just our existential threat, but I think most countries, which is, of course, the prc. I'm curious your perspective, how they fit into this conflict, this region, this dynamic in particular.
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Colonel Rob Maness
Well, look, increasingly our, you know, enemies, to use that term, right. Like Iran, Russia, China and North Korea. We're not, we're not facing these guys individually. This is not.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
We.
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Colonel Rob Maness
We are facing them collectively. They are increasingly acting in concert. The Chinese have been in bed with the Iranians for a really long time and, and therefore supporting the Iranians. Emboldening the Iranians is a. Is something that's very much in Beijing's interest. And one of the things that I noted, you know, some time ago, I'm not the only one, is, look, let's keep in mind that the Chinese have nuclear weapons and the Chinese have helped the Iranians on a whole Bunch of fronts militarily and economically. Okay. So the Chinese actually are in the. In the position of being able to fly a plane in and land it in Tehran and you. And turn Iran into a nuclear power overnight by simply handing those. Them. Those weapons. Definitely. The Chinese do not want us to succeed in reining in Iran and containing this threat. That is not in their interest.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
I'm curious. There's always reporting whether it's, you know, naval operations, I think particularly Iran's airspace. That's something not just the joint military operations, but that a lot of Chinese technology, in some cases outright Chinese planes are. Are there. Could you see, again, not war gaming this, but this has the potential sort of. To your point, how this is all interconnected. It's not just Iran, it's not its own country. You know, what happens if there's. Could this potentially lead to kinetic conflict sort of by proxy between the PRC and the United States?
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Colonel Rob Maness
Sure. I mean, what happens if the Chinese decide that this would be a great opportunity to move on Taiwan? Right. Why are they. You know, it strikes me all the time that when people are talking about war, which people love to talk about, but I notice they, the same people that talk about it, never seem to be in a big hurry to go to go into one themselves. I mean, there's always this presumption that the enemy, the opponent or the adversary, whatever we want to call it, is required to just sit there immobile and inert and do what we want them to do and what we expect them to do. We used to say in the field all the time, you know, the enemy gets a vote. While you're sitting around talking about all this, the enemy actually gets to decide to do things. So the Iranians, for instance, are not required to sit there and wait for you to blow up their nuclear weapons. They may assemble their nuclear weapons and pop one off in the desert and tell you, we have 12 of them. We can blow Tel Aviv off the map tomorrow. Now what? The Chinese can decide to assist the Iranians, as I indicated, or they can decide to move someplace else. While we don't have the resources to do this, all kinds of things can happen. And this, of course, is what happens when you trundle into a conflict. It doesn't tend to go the way you planned it all out in your head. It tends to unfold in really ugly and unpredictable ways, which is why we ought to actually have a plan and devote some thought to it and think before we move and not just get all excited about, let's go bomb something.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
The enemy gets a vote. And it very well may be, I guess, a rigged election, certainly if the PRC is somehow involved. Sam Faddis, the audience always loves your perspective. We've got to get to everything going on in la, speaking of kinetic conflicts. So we're going to have to have you back. But in the meantime, if people want to follow you, get the substack. Stay up to date with everything you're working on, your insights as this region and regions much broader certainly heat up. Where can they go to do that?
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Colonel Rob Maness
Go to and magazine at Substack at substack and magazine.substack.com and that'll take you everywhere else. We are on the Web.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Sam Faddis, thank you so much for joining us. Like I said, we'll have you back on soon.
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Colonel Rob Maness
Thank you.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
It is quite wild to me when you look at the rhetoric, whether it's between Democrats or Republicans, although I guess Republicans and Democrats, they are so willing to talk so tough against maga, against you guys, the war room posse, the grassroots activists. Yet when it comes to talking tough against the Chinese Communist Party or I guess even illegal aliens, I would say they really essentially just embrace them and endorse them outright, full stop. It's wild. We're going to get into what's going on in la, who's funding it, who's financing it. Also Mark Milley's legacy. Heavy lift there. Heavy lift of basically nothing except what back channeling with the PRC after the break. But in the meantime, make sure you're checking out birchgold.com Bannon texting Bannon to 989-898 things are heating up, not just in the Middle East. And as Sam Faddis so astutely pointed out, it's not just contained to what is happening in Iran. This is, I guess, one of the perks of globalism. You can't just fight one country, especially when we've allowed the PRC to run roughshod and run wild over every country and embed and ingrain themselves all by design. We'll be right back after this short break.
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Natalie Winters
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Natalie Winters
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Welcome back to the War Room, where, of course, you got to be checking out birchgold.com Bannon texting Bannon to 989-898. I think this show is probably quite illustrative of why you gotta be looking at gold. Given Philip Patrick and the team call. I want to pick up sort of where we left off. Off. I think the broader idea really precisely as to why striking whatever invading Iran would be so counter to what MAGA stands for is that it takes our eye off the ball. Away from what I think this audience, Steve, would agree with my consensus that the primary threat anyway, number one existential threat, is the prc, their rising ambitions. Obviously, they prefer infiltration as opposed to invasion and they don't like kinetic conflicts. They would probably see that as a sign that they've lost, at least per unrestricted warfare, the art of war, et cetera. But it takes our eye off the ball. And one domain in particular, obviously. There's been a new rare earth deal announced. You guys know we've been hammering that one pretty hard. Given that the PRC, I think, has, what is it, 90% in terms of all the processing of rare earths, And I think 70%, roughly of the actual sourcing of them. Seems like we got a deal that potentially sorted that out. But. But another area, I'm sure you guys recall the whole Huawei back and forth that they've really been, I think getting ahead of the United States is sort of the 5G race, the more advanced technology stuff. And there's a great piece up in the Blaze talking about the spectrum auctions, which is something that's quite hot right now with a big, beautiful bill. But also since it's intricately linked to Mark Milley Who? What was it? I think that he was caught. What was it? Secretly back channeling with the Chinese. Still waiting on those treason charges. Hopefully have to hold my breath that much longer. But the author of that piece, Colonel Rob Manasseh, I think you were on War Room with me out at Amfest in Phenix. An honor to have you back on. I'd love to have you walk through this article, particularly through the lens of why spaces like this, if we don't, you know, advance, the PRC is going to be able to run circles around us. And as we trend towards potentially kinetic conflict, this is a prime example of that sort of military civil fusion that they obviously have going on. But here in the United States, it seems like we're kind of asleep at the wheel.
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Natalie Winters
Well, thanks for having me back on, Natalie. And you're absolutely right, but in a slightly different tone. The PRC is already running circles around us in this communications spectrum situation. The article I wrote was to highlight Mark Milley's intransigence in allowing commercial development of the spectrum. You know, when the first Trump administration ended, we had taken the lead in 5G and spectrum development. We were number one and the Chinese Communists were number 17. Now the script has flipped. We're close to 17 and China is number one. And what does that do from a national security perspective? It stifles innovation and development of all of the devices and all of the communications development in this, in that part of the spectrum that we need to use to put on a future battlefield if it, God forbid, it became necessary to fight it against the Chinese. And it gives the Chinese Communists a built in, inherent, significant advantage in technology. It's us and Mark Milley giving away our technological advantage, which is what we've always held up. When people talk about the numbers of things like the Chinese navy ships outnumber our navy today, but we always talk about our technology. Well, we are giving the Chinese that lead and they are taking it readily and we've got to do something about it. I agree with Steve. I think we ought to. Marshal Mark Milley.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Heck, yeah, it's long overdue. But to your point, the ship build up, I mean, the numbers are staggering. I think it's like 300 to 1. And certainly not all of those are military vessels. But since essentially they all are, they're dormant military vessels, it's absolutely insane. But I'd be curious to get your thoughts on sort of what the contours of the modern battlefield look like. I think sometimes maybe people get, you know, upset. We're always Focusing on China. But the idea of this unrestricted warfare, that it's not just kinetic conflict. Right. I think, you see, the rare Earths is a prime example. That was the leverage that they had over us that really made us fold on the tariffs. Right. The United States cannot continue for more than two weeks to have, you know, industrial levels of lifestyle and have your car work batteries, all the rest, since we're so reliant on them. So why do you think this field is particularly important from, you know, whether it's Taiwan or what's looking potentially to be Iran in the military space? Why is this so critical?
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Natalie Winters
Well, look, you've probably seen like everybody else has, the demonstration with 10,000 drones controlled by artificial intelligence, all able to fly in commercial formations. That is the picture of the modern battlefield that's evolving and revealing itself in places like the Ukraine and Russia war that we're seeing. And this space is critically important for the United States to not only regain the advantage in that technology, but to take the lead and keep the lead in that technology. Because any future battlefield, the Chinese Communist Party has already developed those kind of things. The demonstration I just mentioned was a Chinese government demonstration. That's why it's important. And by the way, we're already in the modern battlefield. I'm glad you brought up the unrestricted warfare. The Chinese declared a people's war against us and unrestricted warfare years ago, Years ago. And they are literally at war with us. What you're seeing inside the United States today is part of that battlefield. And just imagine that if these people were able to launch 10,000 drone swarms, all armed and all able to be targeted by artificial intelligence at the people whose data they have been collecting for years and years and years now, all at one time inside the United States to disrupt our society. That would be almost over unovercomeable.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
And just last question. I'm curious, obviously, Mark Milley. I don't think anyone in this audience likes him. Real quick, just give us the case. Whether. I think this whole Spectrum issue is a prime example of just. It's not even just negligence. It almost rises to the level of intentional, I think just outright degradation of the United States military, national security. Take your pick, whatever word you want to use. But why? You really think that he deserves to be court martialed?
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Natalie Winters
Well, there's three items. This is one of them. You know, he used and got the Pentagon to use the trope that the golden dome would be disrupted and all that. And all of that's been taken off the table. The Reality is that the golden bone won't be disrupted and the military, the auctions of the spectrum are very small. But the other two bigger issues is that he called the Chinese and the Trump administration and said to his counterparts to I will call you if we're going to war with you. That's number one. And number two right closely behind that he inserted himself in the nuclear command and control decision making process by telling the operations team at the Pentagon where I used to work and help write part of the nuclear decision handbook that's carried with the president. So I understand it fully. He inserted himself in there illegally because according to the law the chairman of the Joint Chiefs the of has no command authority. He's simply an advisor. But he told those ops teams that they would call him if any situation came up in the use of nuclear weapons. And the decision to do that, that's blatantly illegal. Those three things make the case for Mark Milley to be recalled from retirement and court martialed at a minimum.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Case closed. Colonel Manus, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon. I really appreciate you writing articles like this. It's important that we understand the battlefield is not just kinetic conflict. It's all, it's the rare earths processing spectrum, you name it. I hope we rise to the levels of productivity and advancement that we had under Trump won. In the meantime, before we have you back on, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on writing, where can they go to do that?
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Natalie Winters
The best place is go to robmanus.com or follow me on X. Obmanus. My show is live four days a week, 3pm Eastern to 4pm Eastern, Monday through Thursday. You can find it on X.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Thank you sir. You have a good day.
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Natalie Winters
Thank you, Natalie.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Of course, speaking of evolving battlefields, I guess we'll, we'll end the show, bring it all the way back home to, to my hometown of Los Angeles. Although I think you could probably put that in the bucket of more traditional kinetic type conflict. I will just point out, you know, think about all the, I'm sure ways that they were collecting second human. Take your pick on maga, all you Catholic church attendees, people who prayed the rosary outside the abortion clinics, the lengths that the administrative state, these rogue intel agencies were willing to go to to collect on you guys, put you in jail, threaten you guys, intimidate you. Seems like if you're basically a foreign domestic terrorist waving foreign flags, I don't know, I guess there's not so much of a surveillance program to go after you guys, actually. Instead, you get tens of millions of dollars worth of federal least in the case of some of the groups that are organizing these protests out in la. We dove into this yesterday on the show, but I wanted to bring on Hudson Crozier from the Daily Caller, who wrote a great piece chronicling really how so many of the groups that are involved in these, I don't even call them protests. Violent riots are really hardwired into the Democratic Party apparatus, but also the money apparatus. I'm curious. Go off. You got a lot of time. Walk us through who these groups are, the inflammatory rhetoric, who's funding them and their ties, I mean, frankly, to the Democratic Party.
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Hudson Crozier
Right. So thank you for having me on, Natalie. It's not always whenever things like this happen, what's happening in la, everybody wants to say, who's funding this? That's not always immediately clear for all of them. But the most interesting one, I think, is the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Immigrant Rights, or cherla, which started off some of the protests on Friday before they got out of hand. And it has received, in 2023 alone, something like $34 million in government grants under the Biden administration. 2023 is the latest tax filing that we have from them. But there was more throughout the Biden presidency. But what happened that was really interesting in LA is basically the way it all started is you had the Service Employees International, or, sorry, seiu, the acronym is escaping me, but it's the big pro Democrat union in California, seiu. On Friday morning, their leader, David Huerta, got arrested, leader of the SEIU California chapter. And that is really what kind of sparked this whole thing. He allegedly, according to the Department of Justice, was gathered with a big crowd of people to try to block these ICE trucks and stop these ICE raids from happening. And he got arrested. And then immediately or simultaneously, the SEIU and a bunch of leftist groups in the area just start spamming this same social media graphic from SEIU saying, you know, ICE is kidnapping people. We need to show up at this Federal Building at 300 N. Los Angeles St. Today at 4pm and, you know, stand up to these pigs, these fascists, whatever. And so SEIU and Chirla hosted this little press conference, and that was originally all that it was marketed to be. And then some individuals, whether they were part of any of these groups officially or not, hundreds of people showed up to that federal building. And then that's when everything started to go haywire. Objects being thrown and vandalism and then the clashes with police started and the rest is history. We have dealt with that in L. A for a solid week now.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
And walk us through how this is metastasizing throughout the country. Obviously it's popping off in New York. Frankly, I think it started probably with those Democratic members of Congress storming bizarrely. I guess not so bizarrely for the modern day Democratic Party. That ICE facility. How do you see this sort of replicating state by state?
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Hudson Crozier
So we've seen as of Monday and Tuesday night and the afternoon a little bit, this has spread to Denver, Seattle and Austin, cities like that. And all of those cities have the same thing in common politically. And I'll let your audience, you know, figure that one out for yourselves. But same same type of thing going on, clashes with police, things being thrown, allegedly. Lots and lots of arrests. But I will say it hasn't gotten any more insane than in Los Angeles, where there are hundreds of arrests. I have no idea how many at this point.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
And I'm just curious. You've obviously been reporting for a while. Is this sort of the typical playbook that you see for a lot of these, what I call, you know, planned spontaneity? Whether it's the George Floyd stuff, the BLM stuff, where there's such a drive and desire for this stuff to be depicted as organic and natural, but in reality it's all funded by the same people. Whether it's, you know, the Tides foundation, these kind of left wing grant making organizations that are funding, in some cases, Democratic candidates, or just, you know, more mainstream Democratic causes. But this is pretty typical. No.
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Hudson Crozier
It does echo some scenes from the BLM days where some of these people appear to be professional agitators of some kind. There are a couple of reporters on the ground in L. A who reported that they've seen people driving up in trucks and handing out these protective face shields to the other rioters. I don't know what organization or group they might be a part of. I won't throw that accusation around flippantly, but some kind of trained agitator thing going on there, and then they're handing out other things like earplugs and gas masks and everything looks like they are bracing for confrontation with police. And there was another thing. In the BLM era, there's this whole phenomenon of legal observers where these groups like the National Lawyers Guild will send out these attorneys or at least legal experts of some kind to just sit and surveil the rioting going on, to watch if police do anything in response that they deem to be too much so that they can sue later. And Cherla, the immigrant group that I mentioned, said to the New York Post that they were sending out legal observers as the rioting broke out on Friday. So we have that same type of thing going on. They are not there to tell people to calm the heck down. They are only there to dig up whatever they can so they can sue the police later for anything that they do in response to try to maintain order.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
The irony of legal observers observing illegal aliens protesting against the country that they invaded that they so desperately, desperately don't want to be deported from, that's too much irony and hypocrisy even for me. Hudson, we'll have you back on soon. Wonderful reporting. In the meantime, if people want to follow you and stay up to date with your work, where can they go to do that?
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Hudson Crozier
Just follow me on X where funny enough, a lot of this social media outrage campaign was happening. But anyways, yeah, X just look at my name, Hudson Crozier. That C R O Z I E R. But more importantly, go to the Daily Caller News foundation where I'm cranking out stories every day on crime and extremism all over the country.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Thank you sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on.
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Hudson Crozier
Thank you.
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Dr. Naomi Wolf
Warren. Posse Things are certainly heating up, whether it's what's going on in Iran more broadly, umbrella with China though there was a rare earth deal reached. But I think that the Millie point, right, how he was back channeling with CCP military leaders, the I guess it would be Ministry of Defense, that's their equivalent to the Secretary of Defense over here, that we have appropriated the tactics that the PRC uses to influence and infiltrate the broader world. But the American ruling class, much like we talk about elite, not just compromise but elite merger. I mean those are the tactics that you see being used in, in Los Angeles, right? You have the three warfares doctrine, which is public opinion warfare, psychological warfare and legal warfare or lawfare, which I know you might be saying, Natalie, stop. That's the modern day Democratic Party. That's what they did to President Trump for the last four years. But when you look at the public opinion warfare, you see that with the way that they're trying to dominate the media narratives, the sort of victim blaming, oh, these poor people want to be here because they're, you know, picking the strawberries. I would always say to MSNBC, if the best argument you have to allow 10/million invaders to stay in this country is because of, I guess it wasn't the Avocados. This time it was the strawberries. That's not the strongest argument I've ever heard. But the psychological warfare, you see that they're terrorizing the cities of Los Angeles. They can essentially throw rocks at cars and thank God we have people like Cash Patel in power. But if Kamala Harris said one be a very different outcome. Although I guess they wouldn't be protesting the deportations, they'd be protesting who knows what. But I think the lawfare point that Hudson makes is very interesting too. Right. They have these legal observers, they're trying to sue police officers. And I think the buried lead too of the funding of these groups, it's not just the magnitude of federal funds that they're getting, right? When you talk about doge waste, fraud and abuse, that's a prime example. And I remember one of the contracts that this group is Chirla got was for something euphemistically described as citizenship and naturalization services. That's how it is itemized in the federal spending database. I don't know about you guys, I don't know what the heck that means. It's probably nothing good. A group that doesn't believe in citizenship because they don't believe in borders or a country. I'm not sure what they're going to be doing to help people. But it all comes together, right? Because it's very concerning when you see these groups not just receiving tens of millions of dollars. Probably at the end of the day, if you amalgamate all of them, you're talking, I mean billions of dollars. But it's the overall percentage, right? So when you talk about these color revolutions and these astroturfed groups, Chirla for example, I think it's like upwards of 90% of their budget is derived from federal funding. So in other words, no people, people organically are supporting this. Right? And I'm not even talking about the paying the protesters and propping them up. I'm talking about these groups just at the NGO funding level. It's very weird to have these like public private partnerships where these so called NGOs are effectively GEOs. There's no non component. And like I said, you juxtapose that with how the equivalent of what I would say MAGA NGOs, right? That's you guys. The, the grassroots of people who are not being paid by the government are just doing things out of the goodness of their heart. Knocking doors, praying the rosary, going to traditional Latin mass, standing outside abortion clinics. Right? That's true activism that the left has to pay for you certainly interact with government and federal resources, except they're not to support your cause, they're to surveil you and probably tap your phones and set you up in weird kidnapping plots like they did with Whitmer in Michigan. And that right there is the core of what deconstructing the administrative state is about. And I think what's going on in LA is a prime example of this weird sort of convergence of all these forces. And then you got the generals and MSNBC pushing for, I guess, a full blown invasion of everything that's going on in Iran, which, like we said, is going to dovetail. Not going to, but it does with, with Chinese airspace and Chinese military equipment. Turbulent times, turbulent times. We'll see you guys tomorrow back. So make sure you tune in 10am thank you for hanging with me and have a good night.
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