WarRoom Battleground EP 792: BREAKING: SCOTUS Upholds Tennessee Ban On Treatment To Transgender Minors - Bannon`s War Room

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Steve Bannon
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Ben Harnwell
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Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Stephen K. Bannon
War room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Good evening. Wednesday 18th of June, Anno Domini 2025. Harnwell here at the helm. So we've got a packed show for you guys today. We're going to be going to Detroit to talk about the suppression, the further ongoing suppression of traditional Catholicism. We'll be hitting that with Frank Water, Frank Walker a little later on the show, San Francisco, where we'll be discussing with Jenny Holland. Frank Francis Collins is on the church speaking circuit. Yes. And it is that Francis Collins of COVID Frame. We'll also be going out with Liz your to discuss what's going on over it with our friends the Southern Baptist and their convention in Dallas. Some good news coming out from there last week. But first, Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post. Brandon, welcome onto the show again. I you've got some good news. Breaking news coming out of the Supreme Court today. John Roberts seems to be the head of a 6, 3 majority here discussing, I think, allowing a Tennessee law that prohibited transgender meddling, biological, medical meddling on youth. And the Supreme Court has upheld that. Tell me, Brandon, what are the implications of this and what exactly did the the Supreme Court decide? Because I know that Justice Sotomayor did a little bit of showboating and took the unusual step of actually reading out from the bench her dissenting opinion. But first, tell us what the Supreme Court said and then I think I think other states as well, some 20, 28 or so other states have similar laws on the statute book. Tell us a bit then about what the Supreme Court said and what the implications of that are for the rest of the United States.
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Brandon Showalter
It's an absolutely huge ruling, Ben, landmark, if I must say. The supreme court, in a 6 to 3 ruling just out this morning, and it was spearheaded by Chief Justice John Roberts, allowed Tennessee's law to prohibit the chemical and surgical transing of minors to stand, saying that it did not violate the 14th Amendment. And basically what that means, it was an equal protection case. And so whether or not, quote, unquote, transgender minors constituted a special category that would rise to the level of strict scrutiny as required by the law. So the implications of this are absolutely massive. And I thought Justice Thomas had a great concurrence when he said that basically he was demolishing the supposed experts and say when you've got an evolving field of medicine, you don't really know. There's so much that's unknown. You have to defer to the people who are making the laws, like the legislator. This was part of Justice Roberts argument during oral arguments as well, that there's so much that is unknown about this. And the justices in black robes are not doctors. And so in his concurrence, Justice Thomas skewered the supposed experts, namely what you think of as wpath, who hold themselves out the World Professional association of Transgender Health, those types who hold themselves out as experts, when in fact they are activists. And so this was a rebel rebuke of activist medicine. Justice Barrett also had a very good concurrence. I know there have been people in the war room posse that haven't been so keen on Justice Barrett's rulings of late, but on this she was fantastic. And it's a six to three decisive decision. And of course, predictably, the leftist justices on the bench, including Sotomayor, are dissenting from this case. But it is hard to overstate, Ben, how enormous this is because this is a huge precedent setting legal blow against the child castration industry. And it's not overstating it to call it that. This is, this is a great day. This is a substantive win. The opinion didn't go as far as it could have gone. And it does use some language that I don't use in terms of labeling people transgender, when in fact that itself is a falsehood. You can't be the other sex. But I noticed that it also avoided the euphemism. And I love that they did this gender affirming care. They call it sex transition procedures. I thought that was very interesting. All in all, this is a very good ruling, A very good day. Bravo to the Supreme Court. Bravo to Attorney General Scremetti and his team in Tennessee. And there's many, many people who prayed for this day and worked hard to see this day happen. And yes, now the 20 odd states, I think 26 or 27 states that have put some kind of ban in place, those laws will be allowed to stand, and that's huge.
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Ben Harnwell
Brandon, you mentioned Justice Amy Phoney Barrett just now. Tell me, what conclusions are you drawing by the fact that she's back now solidly in this 6:3 majority? Because regular viewers to the war room will notice that she's been sort of, she's split from the MAGA position and there's a lot of dissatisfaction of that. The strong indication is that she was put there by President Trump effectively to sort of uphold a lot of the philosophy of what his administration is trying to achieve. And she's sort of been dissenting quite a bit, sort of putting herself along with another great dissenter, John Roberts. But here it is, you see the 6:3 majority down ideological lines. What do you say about that and specifically about Amy Phony Barrett herself joining this 6:3 majority?
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Brandon Showalter
Well, there's nothing phony about her in this ruling. And I actually know a friend of hers personally who I always thought that she would be on the right side of this issue. Basically, in her concurrence in this case, she sort of skewers the notion that trans is some immutable trait. I'm just going to read from her concurrence now. And it says to begin, transgender status is not marked by some sort of obvious immutable or distinguishing characteristics as race or sex. And so for her to understand and to articulate that, that, you know, it's impossible to be born in the wrong body essentially, it really sort of skewers this gnostic notion that you can be the other sex. And so that was, it was great to see from her. You know, she, I think with the War Room posse, they haven't always agreed obviously with Barrett's decisions, but on the social issues, she's right there. I mean, she was, as people will remember, she was the fifth vote in the Dobbs decision overturning Roe versus Wade. And so, I mean, it's say what you will, I do not think that had Hillary Clinton put those three justices that we would have gotten this ruling today. So even, even with the disagreements that people have had with some of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett's rulings, there's no question that this law would probably they would have struck it down had three leftist judges been put on the bench. I don't think there's any question about that. So I can't complain at all. I'm just thrilled to see the Supreme Court uphold Tennessee's law. Many people have prayed for this day. I'll just reiterate that, Brandon, I'm very.
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Ben Harnwell
Grateful for you coming on the show, such short notice to help break this down. But before you go, just looking to the future, what does this mean, this ruling today mean in General for the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection clause itself? Does this indicate that that equal protection clause really can't be invoked going forward specifically with regards to the transgender issue, or does it le it open for adults?
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Brandon Showalter
That remains to be seen. But what my read on this is is that the Supreme Court has struck a major blow to this ideological cause. It's possible that trans activists will try to challenge to challenge us on other grounds, but I think it indicates that the Supreme Court is not too keen on this notion at all. Justice Thomas, in his concurrence, also made the point that children can't consent. And so I don't think that if trans activists and their allies in the legal field are going to be too keen on going to the Supreme Court for redress on this basis. It's possible. But this is just such a major blow to have the Supreme Court say no to this, even though the opinion doesn't go as far as I think some would like. I don't think that equal protection grounds, 14th amendment questions with regard to transgenderism are going to pass muster at the Supreme Court for adults or kids. It remains to be seen, of course, and there might be some other legal avenue they'll try. But again, to have this really is a landmark ruling and to see it six to three coming out in Tennessee's favor, I think. And then this is, I'll just add that in a few weeks, the Federal Trade Commission, I said this last time I was on the war room, the Federal Trade Commission is going to be putting on a day long event where they will expose so called gender affirming care as a kind of consumer fraud. And so that's in keeping with President Trump's executive order from January 28, which empowered all the federal agencies to take appropriate action from their purchase. And so I think we're hopefully we can keep praying, seeing the death of the gender industry altogether. So this ruling is just one key crucial blow against it. But it's all part of a much larger push that the federal government is taking to end this scourge. And it's been a long time coming.
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Ben Harnwell
Brandon Showalter, you're doing fantastic work that the Christian Post. Where do people go on social media to keep up with your analysis and the breaking news that you're covering?
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Brandon Showalter
BrandonM show on X That's my, my X handle. Go to generationindoctrination.com to hear our documentary podcast. Stay tuned for season five. It will be out in several weeks. A few weeks christianpost.com to get all of our print reporting. And I'm already hearing from parents who are just so grateful for today's ruling one who's featured in the Deadname documentary film. And you can go to deadname documentary.com to see that moving, intimate portrait of the families who've suffered through this and that film. That documentary film is also available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV and Roku. It's it's just such a it's a sea change that three years ago this they tried to censor that film and now it's on all major platforms. So the tide is definitely turning. But deadname documentary.com if you want to get acquainted with the families who are suffering through this. But it's a great day. It's a great day.
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Ben Harnwell
Brandon Showalter, thank you very much indeed once again and God bless. Catch up again with you on the show soon. Thanks very much. This July there's a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The block of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Iran are meeting with the global goal of displacing the US Dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US Dollars will dec bringing down the value of the dollars in your savings. While this transition won't happen overnight, the Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from theoretical possibility toward inevitable reality. Learn if diversifying your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered Iraq in precious metals. Claim your free info kit on gold by texting Steve Bannon's surname. Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 with an A plus rating. With a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, let Birch Gold arm you with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the riot Reset text Bannon B A N N O N to 9,898 98 today. Okay, let's go now to something which I think we've been hinting at on this show quite a bit, which is the suppression of traditional Catholicism that has continued. Let's use the term seamless garment. That's really what it is. From from Bergoglio stage name Pope Francis to Leo xiv Frank Walker. Tell Me about the latest developments in Detroit, because this was widely expected, was it not? The bishop there in Detroit has suppressed 10 parish churches that were celebrating the traditional Latin Mass. That Mass that goes back 1,700 years and that has been that is that the persecution continues. Tell us a bit about that and, and what the conclusion is that you draw from it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, he, you know, they had a lot of good Latin Masses in Detroit. Most dioceses aren't like that. Most of them, you know, around here there's only two. There's two at two o' clock in the afternoon or something like that. But they had a whole community there. And Bishop Weisenberger has just been recently moved there before Francis died. And he was, you know, one of the worst. And he was. I mean, now that they aren't. There aren't lots of lots like him. There are. I think he was in Phoenix or something or Tucson and he's moved up here. He's blaming Tradicionis Custodis, which Francis issued. The expiration date is up and he's left it to just parishes. Just like three, maybe parish, not even parishes. Three churches that are outside parishes. One of them is a shrine and they're the only ones that are left. And he could have done like they did in Saginaw, Michigan and applied for an extension, which happens a lot. But this is just followed up on what happened in Charlotte. There was a big deal about that. Charlotte was another diocese like that with lots of Latin Masses. So they're focusing on where the communities are growing.
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Ben Harnwell
I noticed this is one of the reasons this show exists is because we're really drilling down on the rest of TRAD Inc. And their portrayal of Pope Leo XIV as some kind of brush of fresh air and a great change and a great opening to traditional Catholics. And we're trying to drill down on that very strongly and urge caution. Let's put it like that, Frank. We're urging caution on that analysis. And in keeping with that narrative, you're seeing here what was, what is being spun in the. The TRAD Inc. Press. As we know originally here, Bishop Weisenberger was just going to suppress the tlm, the traditional Latin Mass everywhere in, in the diocese. But actually he's now created these, thanks to the presence of Holy Pope Pope Leo. He's now created this dispensation, if you will, in the non parish churches of this allowance, which is an indication of all the blessings that we can expect. But Frank, my reading of this is that Bishop Weisenberger had always planned to make some kind of allowance outside of the parish scene available. And if you go back to his earlier April statement, he definitely did say he was going to prohibit it in the parishes and make some allowance. Do you think that this is an indication that the TRAD Inc. Press is running. Is this evidence of our thesis, Frank Walker, that TRAD Inc. Is running, running away with itself a little bit too much on their narrative here?
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Stephen K. Bannon
They are quieter, they seem quieter this week, which is, you know, they've been spiking all the strong Leo stories. And, you know, this shows you how important the bishops are. And one of the things that, you know, besides just the targeting of Latin mass communities all around the world, also in France and in Argentina and Australia, the bishops are so important. And today you look at the topic, Canon 212. Today, there's a picture of a new bishop in Brisbane. I've never seen anything like him before. I mean, I've seen bishops that don't look too much like bishops, but this guy, this guy looks like he's on Wall street or something. Incredible. And there's a lot of different areas where trading has been ignoring Leo. Leo is simply making Francis Church stick. Francis was the guy swinging the ax. Leo is the one who's gently going to, like, sit there and behind the scenes, let everybody else seem to do the dirty work while everything becomes the new church that the enemies of the church been dreaming of for a long time.
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Ben Harnwell
And I, you know, the thesis of the war room is that the key virtue, if one can use the word virtue in this context of his, you know, I think I'm the only, you know, I think, Frank, you and I were probably the only people who will refer to Leo XIV as His Holiness in a sarcastic tone of voice. This is the great virtue of His Holiness, is that I think discreetly is going to make sure everybody has the Vatican's Iban code to be making those. Those donations. On that point, we're going to come back to later on in the show because there's something, I think that, that confirms our thesis. But having hit this. Oh, look, before we go to Liz on this and discuss what's going on with the Southern Baptist, just say to our Protestant audience, why is this important that the traditional Catholic movement has a strong purchase in the culture?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, it's, you know, we have a lot in common. We're not allowed to, like, you're going to go to an article about the Baptists. They're sort of allowed to move with their own people, with the movement of society that's moving towards the right. No longer since we've had Francis, can the Catholics that are faithful, that are conservative, that are politically effective, no longer can they have a voice. So the Protestants, they look at us and I think they, you know, they already are suspicious, but they need to know that we're out there and that like them, we're sort of been pushed out of the Catholic hierarchy in a way that they need to, they need to have some kind of solidarity with us because in so many ways we have so much in common. And, you know, they need to understand that about us.
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Ben Harnwell
Stay there, Frank. We'll come back to you later on in the show. Liz, Frank's point there about solidarity between the, the Southern Baptist and that is to say the conservative biblical based evangelicals and traditional Catholics. I think it's absolutely perfect. And before we dig into the, the Southern Baptist Convention that took place last week in Dallas, let's just recall the fact that the late, unlamented Pope Francis actually came out and said, you know, because all we've had for 60 years in the Catholic Church is this, we've been force fed like, like foie gras Greece, foie gras geese. We've been force fed this radical ecumenical agenda, but all it's really been are Protestants who don't believe a word of their faith, getting together with Catholics who don't believe a word of their faith, pushing out these press releases, interminable and readable press releases where they say how much they have in common. Of course, they have so much in common. None of them agree with the fundamental tenets of their faith. And it's all a grift. And late unlamented Francis actually came out and said specifically with the pro life movement in mind, he's against the ecumenism of conservative evangelicals and traditional Catholics coming together to witness on the pro life front. And I think that's probably of all the really scandalous things he's done that I think for me it's got to be up there in the top 10. Look, we've got some good news today coming out from all that we're going to hit on the show today, coming out from, from our Protestant brethren. Why don't you just tell us a bit about what happened then in Dallas last week?
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Liz Yore
Yeah, and you know, this is, this is the very thing that moves the culture and moves the Supreme Court to the decision we have today is the people speaking out, victims speaking out, brave doctors speaking out. So what? The largest Protestant denomination, the Southern Baptists, over 12,000,000.7 of them, they listed a number of proposals. One demanding an overturning of laws, rulings throughout the United States regarding the marriage of between a man and a woman. They are asking for a overturning of the Oberger Obergefell lawsuit decision by the Supreme Court which legalized same sex marriage. And these are the kinds of things that the churches should do in leading the culture. Additionally, they went after all the social issues in this convention. They went after sports betting. They went after the chemical abortion pill, demanding that the Trump administration outlaw it. They encouraged laws that affirm marriage between a man and a woman and also encouraged policies that support families, whether they be tax policies, legal policies. And so they are. Actually this is a Roman Catholic saying this, leading the way in this cultural battle, bringing moral clarity to the issues that are impacting our culture here in the United States. And it's a wonderful thing to see.
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Ben Harnwell
Let me just stop you there. Two things before we go on. You mentioned Obergefell. Right. Does the Catholic Church have an episode or at least as the Catholic Church bishops conference, have a formal position on lobbying any US Administration to get that overturned or repealed?
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Liz Yore
Well, frankly, we hear much more about deportations than we do about same sex marriage. Frankly, we have there should be a constant drumbeat from the bishops conference. In fact, what did we hear from the bishops conference about the same time as the Southern Baptists. They were expressing their pain over the mass deportation. That's what our bishops were doing with respect to an issue that is overwhelmingly supported by American Catholics and Americans. And we don't hear them expressing pain of their countless victims that have been killed, maimed by illegal aliens who entered this country illegally. And so you have the politicization of the Catholic Church, the radicalization, the modernization of the Catholic Church embracing the left issues. And you have the Southern Baptists in their conferences embracing those moral standards which built this country, which built Western civilization, and being the sole voice, you know, in, in all of this to demand that we get back to our moral roots, those things that kept our country strong.
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Ben Harnwell
Liz, I'm going to hold you on over the break to dig down on this, but just give me sort of 90 seconds, will you? Because you just mentioned that the Southern Baptists are leading the way on this issue in the culture wars. Why do you think that is? Do you think there's some element here that nature abhors a vacuum and the Protestants are going in there to occupy the space that the Catholic Church had occupied and then relinquished for many decades?
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Liz Yore
There could very well be, whatever the motivation, they are listening to their people. They are reading the tea leaves about the destruction of abortion on the culture, on families, the destruction of pornography and betting and the destruction of marriage. They are, I think, much closer to their people and listening to what their people are asking for. And so I think it's a cultural shift. You know, if you believe in ecumenism like the modern Catholic bishops do, I think they would be well advised to take a page from the strong moral voice, the cultural bomb that has just been dropped by the Southern Baptists. And you know what? We are going to see the fruits of this advocacy by the Southern Baptists, I promise you. We'll see it in Supreme Court decisions, we'll see it in policies from the Trump administration. And and so it is speaking out despite the fact that the media may think it's or the culture may think it's old fashioned. They speak from a biblical center.
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Ben Harnwell
Liz, hold on to this. And we're going to come back to these spiritual fruits and political fruits in just a moment after this short break.
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Brandon Showalter
I got American Bab.
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Ben Harnwell
In America's heart.
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Steve Bannon
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Ben Harnwell
War Room.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Welcome back. Liz, your let's just finish this point with you. I noticed that USA Today, in writing about last week's Southern Baptist Convention, wrote that the predominant group of evangelical Christians in the country continues to move sharply to the right. Now, whether you accept that analysis or not, whether you think they're simply just asserting a position that they, that they have had for decades. Would you suggest that there is some element of the Trump effect taking place within, within conservative event, the event, the conservative evangelical sphere, that is to say, having such an unashamed proponent within the culture wars at America's highest office. Is that sort of reinforcing, do you think, the, the Protestant troops. Let's not forget that this convention was comprised of 10,000 or so messengers. So when, when you say that the, that the leadership is listening, that the distance between the leadership and their faithful is a lot closer than in the, in, in the Catholic Church, do firstly, do you think there's some, something here that we see of, of the Trump effect? And secondly, Pope Francis constantly hectored his bishops to have the smell, the sheep, the odour of the sheep right of his flocks. From his perspective, what he was really agitating for was an undoing of Catholic Church teaching by projecting the fact onto the faithful, a huge progressive liberal desire that simply I don't believe exists in the latest there in the episcopacy. So those two things, Liz, do you think that this is the Trump. There's some, we can see something of the Trump effect working in amongst conservative evangelicals. And do you think they are doing in practice in an authentic way what Pope Francis, in a duplicitous way, intended for the Catholic Church?
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Liz Yore
Well, I think certainly everybody's getting courage to speak out, to push the absolute moral center to become a larger and larger tent for all of us, that we are no longer afraid to speak out because we have learned from Donald Trump and we see that he follows through on the things that he said during his campaign. You know, it's interesting you bring this up, the Trump effect, because at the same time that the Southern Baptists were pushing for the elimination of the abortion pill in the United States, uk, as you well know, approved abortion up to birth. These cultural struggles have to be led by someone. It's either the left or the right. And if the Catholic Protestant leaders aren't leading these struggles, they are going to be. The void is going to be filled by the radical left, by the Marxists. I mean, and that is truly what Francis was pushing, liberation theology, Marxist theology, which did not talk about the foundation of Catholicism, the foundation of moral thought, which was the creation and protection of children, of families, of the ability to build a civilization, on peace, on prosperity. We know that Francis hated the United States, the capitalist system. And so I think we're seeing, and I'm hopefully the UK will catch that Trump effect with these moral issues. We've got to have these discussions and we just saw the effect of mothers and fathers in hospitals fighting, fighting the hospital systems and the massive bureaucracies that were pushing for this extravagant gender mutilation and the dark history of this mutilation, gender mutilation and abortion. We're going to look back in 50 years and people will say what was wrong with these people, that they were doing these horrible things to their children. And so we've got to have leaders, we've got to have leaders on these moral issues.
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Ben Harnwell
Liz well, we're going to come back to a little later on in the show before we go to Jenny Holland to discuss Francis Collins, who I think is doing his best to imitate an Old Testament prophet on the on the church circuit speaking circuit down in San Francisco. Let's just have a quick word about hometitlelock.com did you know scammers can literally steal your home? The FBI calls it house stealing. Criminals forge one document, fake a notary stamp, pay a small fee and suddenly your title is gone. They can take out loans on your equity, even sell your house out from under you and you won't know until the foreclosure notice arrives. When was the last time you checked your home title? If you're like me, never. That's exactly what they're counting on. That's why I trust Home Title lock. Their million dollar triple lock protection gives you 24,7 monitoring instant alerts on any changes to your title and up to 1 million in title restoration at no extra cost. Go to hometitlelock.com and use promo code Steve for a free 14 day trial. That's hometitlelock.com promo code Steve, Protect your home and peace of mind. Today, Jenny Holland, I was somewhat surprised to see Francis Collins there on the church speaking circuit in San Francisco after everything that Lisieux was the great news she was telling us about Protestants in their Southern Baptist Convention and what Frank was telling us about the suppression of traditional Catholicism out in Detroit. Tell us about this new Old Testament prophet that is that is going around in the churches. What gospel exactly is he preaching?
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Jenny Holland
That's a very good question, Ben. Thanks for having me back. Yeah. I was as surprised as anyone to open this link from Vanity Fair, a piece they ran in April of this year that opens up with Dr. Francis Collins, formerly of National Institutes of Health, attending an event in San Francisco called Code and Cosmos, a tech gathering to ponder the existence of God. And it has some choice quotes from Dr. Collins like what is the basis for morality? And things like his Christian faith has never once come into conflict with his deep scientific, rigorous scientific knowledge. And I would love to know those of us who've lived through covet and remember it well. We would love to know more about this and how he, how he manages to reconcile the two worldviews. And it unfortunately doesn't include him being quoted as saying mea culpa, mea culpa. But maybe that will be in a follow up. The whole article was very interesting because it's, it's suggesting that Christianity has come not just to Gen Z and some Gen X but Silicon Valley itself, which is really the belly of the beast or at least seems that way from the outside to a lot of us. And it's a fascinating article. It is filled with absolutely telling nuggets of information. Really, really indicative of where the culture is at, at the moment. And by culture I mean, I don't mean the maga culture, I mean the mainstream professional, managerial class culture of which Silicon Valley always has seemed to me at least to be on the vanguard. You know, that's where the smart boys and girls are. And even there, or maybe especially there, God is starting to make a reappearance. And I think that is an incredibly significant fact. Although we'd all be wise to treat it with some skepticism.
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Ben Harnwell
Jenny, I tell you what, I think looking at politics, you know, when something is on the up, when it really is having success, because you can see all of the grifters starting to gravitate towards it like moths to a lantern on a July or August night on a porch, right? That I think the fact that people like Francis Collins, you sort of say.
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Jenny Holland
That.
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Ben Harnwell
You mentioned that God is starting to make a reappearance in San Francisco. I think that's how you know, that's how you know that there is something going on deep under the level in American culture because you have these people who've never demonstrated any remotely anything remotely Christian about them sort of coming in and now sort of trying to hoist themselves onto the bandwagon. What do you think to that? Is that, is that, am I being cynical here?
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Jenny Holland
No, I don't think you're being cynical. I think it's an indication that they know on some level they realized that they are in not to sound like a first grader. Deep doo doo. They are, they are out in front of their skis in almost every possible way. I mean the articles so interesting though because it does indicate it does it does have these insightful paragraphs which show that even among the most successful of contemporary modern, secular, modern culture, even there, there is a dawning realization which I think is sincere to some degree, that living according to materialistic principles alone is an out and out disaster. And whilst there's undoubtedly lots of grifters there and lots of people trying to save their rear end and trying to make amends and trying to do a rebrand, I would say maybe Francis Collins is trying to do a rebrand as some sort of like the theologian, deep thinker, all merciful person. There is a sense even in Silicon Valley that the culture that we are all swimming in is deeply, deeply rotten. And there is a yearning for something that is more substantial that will carry us through. This sense that I feel is building generally that things are going very wrong very fast in terms of how we've raised children, in terms of our, the culture that we've produced and certainly in terms of our economy and real, in real hard nosed ways as well. But there's something ephemeral going on that the people in Silicon Valley, you know, you can say what you want about them and criticize them all you want. And I would agree they are very smart as well. And so I feel like they're a little bit like the canary in the coal mine with all the grifting as well.
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Ben Harnwell
Thanks, Jenny. Look, we did have other stories that I wanted to go through not only with you and with Liz today, but we had to make some space, a very short notice, to cover the breaking news out from the Supreme Court this morning. So the final story I'd like to hit today is held over from last week and perhaps, Jenny, the other ones that we wanted to hit with you and, and with Liz, we'll hold those forward to the bishops conference on immigration. We'll hold those forward to next week. Let's just quickly go back to Frank in the closing minutes then of this show because this is an important article here. This is to do with the Associated Press piece article last week about headlined can an American Pope Apply US Style Fundraising and Standards to Fix Troubled Vatican Finances. The real reason I pull this one out, Frank, is because this here confirms the analysis that we've had on the war and the analysis that you, that you've had on canon 212, I think, to the letter, right to the very word. This confirms everything that we've been saying. Why don't you just, just give, say, a quick 60 second synthesis of what this article is suggesting and then I'm going to ask You a question on it?
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, it has something to do with what we just heard about the people who are ruling the world, the money people. They're not getting the donations from these powerful people that they wish they could. And it's certainly not getting that from Catholics. They have like about a. This year, I think they had a $95 million operating deficit. They have a billion dollar shortfall in their pension plan. And they're hoping that Leo can, you know, turn this around. He doesn't seem to have the experience that I think he might have, the character, he might have other things, but he hasn't managed big budgets, maybe a million dollars with the Augustinians before a bishop's budget. So I don't know how he's going to do that. But they're really hoping that a new kind of pope will attract more donations. I see things happening financially outside of donations. I see more marketing of the Catholic Church, the tourism industry. There's a big thing this week and how he's going to go to Castle Gandapolis, amazingly beautiful place where popes have gone for several hundred years for vacation this summer. Well, that's been turned into sort of a conference center now for our globalism. And they market it. Now that that's marketing. They have a new website today. Vatican News is asking for donations to Peter's Pence. With the new Leo out there, you know, they're, they're really milking it for every dime and even more than they were before.
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Ben Harnwell
Frank, we called this right. There's no other way to say it all modesty aside, we called this, we called this on the first day of this pontificate. Let. Look, I just want to read this. This, this one extract out from this. And this is, this is the Associated Press. This is one of the big global, one of the three big global press agencies, folks. You just, you know, you make your own opinions on this, but I think this is an absolute endorsement of our, of our judgment call on, on day one, I quote, leo already has one thing going for him. This is talking about his fundraising potential, his Americanness. U S donors have long been the economic life support system of the Holy See, financing everything from papal charity concerts, excuse me, papal charity projects abroad, to restorations of St. Peter's Basilica at home. Leo's election as the first American Pope has served a jolt of excitement through U.S. catholics, some of whom had soured on donating to the Vatican after years of unrelating stories of mismanagement, corruption and scandal. According to interviews with top Catholic fundraisers, Philanthropists and church management experts. Frank Walker, this is in this paragraph, this is everything. And we've been widely derided for this. Right, but this is everything that we said from day one. Listen, we're coming up to the, to the close of the show now. Why don't you just give us a quick where can people go canon 212. Right. And your website. Right. I just want to say I'm going to try and get you back on the show, Frank, at some point next Wednesday because I want people to know what is happening to the, the attacks taking place on Canon 212 since you've started appealing to on this show. The suppression, the algorithmic suppression taken place by Google and that's happened to me and I can prove it. Right. This is a thing, folks. It's not conspiracy theory. It really does exist. 60 seconds, Frank. Where do people go? And I cannot, I cannot compliment the work that you do highly enough.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you.
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Ben Harnwell
Ben.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Go to canon212c a n o n212.com and bookmark it because there's a new algorithm just in the last few weeks and it's very, very different, you know, so I would do that. And then also we're at Rumble for the video and at Gloria TV and on X, Canon 2212 spelt out straight there. There's a picture of it right there. Yeah. Make sure you bookmark canon212 because you don't know what they're going to do to us, you know, like they used to do with YouTube. It's the same company.
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Ben Harnwell
Thank you, Frank. You really, you really are the Catholic world's Matt Drudge. And I strong endorse your not only the work that you do but also your editorial line on the headlines that you push out. Thanks for coming on the show. See you next Wednesday. Liz, your where do people go to keep up with your analysis?
[49:24]
Liz Yore
My website is yourchildren.com and I'm everywhere on social media. Elizabeth yore and thank you so much, Ben.
[49:33]
Ben Harnwell
Thanks Liz. Thanks as always for you breaking down, breaking the news. And today we had a slight change as you were talking through us, developments within the Protestant sphere rather than the Catholic sphere. Jenny Holland, you're on Substack. You write for Spiked. Tell us about your substack specifically, where do people go on that to catch up with you?
[49:58]
Jenny Holland
It's jennyeholland.substack.com the name of it is saving culture from a itself. And I'm on x@semper femina21.
[50:11]
Ben Harnwell
Jenny, I also have to say, did you mention what was, what was your ex handle just Once more?
[50:18]
Jenny Holland
Semper femina 21.
[50:22]
Ben Harnwell
Now that's Latin, right? Oh, basically always a lady. Something like always a lady or something, but broadly, broadly with that amp, Jenny, I tell you why I just, just as we head into the final seconds of the show, I the reason I really like your analysis and you and your take on these things is because you're an atheist and yet you pray the rosary every day. So I think you give us a specific, a particular interpretation on things and you have an original voice that people can listen to and they're not going to speak. We have a lot of evangelicals following the show. It's mostly evangelicals. So when you break these things down, you have a credibility, I think to expand on these things without people think you're just going to go straight into the Catholic dogma. So I can't compliment your own substack and ex account highly enough. Thanks for coming on the show. Catch up again with you next Wednesday. Wednesday, okay. So my thanks to the on the show today to Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post, Frank Walker from Canon 212, Liz your from your children, and Jenny Holland from Spiked. I'm Ben Harnwell, your host, international editor of the War Room. My thanks to our brilliant production team in Denver and producer Cameron Wallace. I'll be back at 6pm next Wednesday. Take care. God bless.
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WarRoom Battleground EP 792: BREAKING: SCOTUS Upholds Tennessee Ban On Treatment To Transgender Minors

Release Date: June 18, 2025
Host: Ben Harnwell
Guests: Brandon Showalter (The Christian Post), Frank Walker (Canon 212), Liz Yore (YourChildren.com), Jenny Holland (Spiked)

1. Supreme Court Ruling on Tennessee's Ban on Transgender Minor Treatments

Overview:
The episode opens with groundbreaking news from the Supreme Court, where a landmark 6-3 decision upheld Tennessee's law prohibiting medical and surgical treatments for transgender minors. This ruling sets a significant precedent and has widespread implications across the United States.

Key Points:

Ruling Details:
Brandon Showalter explains that the Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice John Roberts, ruled in favor of Tennessee, stating that the law does not violate the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. The decision emphasizes that transgender minors do not constitute a special category warranting strict scrutiny under the law.
[02:51]
Justice Amy Phoney Barrett's Contribution:
Showalter highlights Justice Barrett's concurrence, noting her skepticism towards the concept of transgender identity as an immutable trait. He cites her statement:

"Transgender status is not marked by some sort of obvious immutable or distinguishing characteristics as race or sex."
[06:31]
Implications for Other States:
With approximately 26 states having similar bans on the books, this ruling empowers these states to maintain their restrictions without fear of federal legal challenges.
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Future of Equal Protection Clause:
The decision suggests a potential limitation on invoking the Equal Protection Clause for transgender issues, both for minors and possibly adults, although further legal challenges may arise.
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Notable Quotes:

Steve Bannon (00:03):

"This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people."
Brandon Showalter (05:40):

"This is a landmark ruling... a substantive win against the child castration industry."

2. Suppression of Traditional Catholicism in Detroit

Overview:
The discussion shifts to the ongoing suppression of traditional Catholic practices in Detroit, highlighting actions taken against parishes celebrating the Latin Mass.

Key Points:

Recent Developments:
Frank Walker details how Bishop Weisenberger has suppressed ten parish churches that adhered to the traditional Latin Mass, citing the expiration of Traditionis Custodes. Only three churches remain, including a shrine, indicating a targeted effort to diminish traditional Catholic practices.
[14:14]
Critique of TRAD Inc. Narrative:
Walker asserts that media outlets like TRAD Inc. are overstating the positive developments within the Catholic Church by portraying Bishop Weisenberger's actions as strategic allowances rather than outright suppression.
[15:24]
Impact on the Catholic Community:
The suppression is seen as a strategic move to consolidate power within the church hierarchy, aligning more closely with modernist agendas and marginalizing conservative factions.
[17:03]

Notable Quotes:

Stephen K. Bannon (18:06):

"Leo is simply making Francis Church stick. Francis was the guy swinging the ax. Leo is the one who's gently going to, like, sit there and behind the scenes, let everybody else seem to do the dirty work."

3. Southern Baptist Convention's Cultural Mobilization

Overview:
The episode delves into the Southern Baptist Convention's (SBC) recent actions aimed at addressing key social issues, reflecting a significant shift towards conservative activism.

Key Points:

SBC's Proposals:
Liz Yore outlines the SBC's demands, including overturning the Obergefell v. Hodges decision legalizing same-sex marriage, banning sports betting, and outlawing the abortion pill. These moves signify a robust effort to influence legislative and cultural landscapes in alignment with evangelical values.
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Comparison with Catholic Church:
Yore criticizes the Catholic Church's perceived inaction on similar moral issues, emphasizing the SBC's proactive stance as essential to cultural preservation.
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Trump Effect:
The influence of former President Donald Trump is highlighted as a catalyst for the SBC's assertiveness, suggesting that his endorsement has emboldened evangelical leaders to take decisive action on moral fronts.
[25:01]

Notable Quotes:

Liz Yore (26:53):

"They're much closer to their people and listening to what their people are asking for... The void is going to be filled by the radical left, by the Marxists."

4. Francis Collins and the Intersection of Faith and Science

Overview:
Jenny Holland discusses Dr. Francis Collins, formerly of the NIH, who is now influencing church circles by reconciling his Christian faith with scientific rigor.

Key Points:

Francis Collins' Role:
Holland highlights Collins' participation in events like Code and Cosmos, portraying him as a bridge between faith and science, especially within traditionally secular environments like Silicon Valley.
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Cultural Significance:
The emergence of faith discussions in tech hubs signals a broader cultural shift, suggesting a growing recognition of the limitations of materialism and a yearning for deeper moral and spiritual foundations.
[40:38]
Skepticism and Authenticity:
While acknowledging the potential for genuine spiritual awakening, Holland remains cautious about the authenticity of such movements, noting the presence of opportunists aiming to co-opt faith narratives.
[43:15]

Notable Quotes:

Jenny Holland (41:07):

"There is a dawning realization which I think is sincere to some degree, that living according to materialistic principles alone is an out and out disaster."

5. Vatican Financial Struggles and Pope Leo XIV’s Presidency

Overview:
The episode examines the financial challenges facing the Vatican and the role of the newly elected American Pope Leo XIV in addressing these issues.

Key Points:

Financial Deficit:
Frank Walker discusses the Vatican's $95 million operating deficit and a billion-dollar shortfall in pensions, attributing these issues to mismanagement and corruption within the Church hierarchy.
[44:40]
Pope Leo XIV’s Potential Impact:
The election of the first American Pope is seen as a potential turning point for Vatican finances. There is optimism that Leo’s background and approach could attract more donations and implement effective financial reforms.
[48:32]
Associated Press Coverage:
An AP article is cited, highlighting Pope Leo's American background and fundraising potential as a catalyst for renewed financial stability within the Vatican.

"Leo’s election as the first American Pope has served a jolt of excitement through U.S. Catholics...a great day."
[44:40]

Notable Quotes:

Stephen K. Bannon (48:32):

"They're really hoping that Leo can... turn this around."

6. Conclusion and Resources

Final Remarks:
Ben Harnwell wraps up the episode by directing listeners to various resources and platforms where they can follow the contributors' ongoing work and analyses.

Where to Follow:

Brandon Showalter:
- Twitter: @BrandonMShow
- Website: generationindoctrination.com
- Documentary: deadnamedocumentary.com
Frank Walker:
- Website: canon212.com
- Platforms: Rumble, Gloria TV, X (formerly Twitter)
Liz Yore:
- Website: yourchildren.com
- Social Media: Elizabeth Yore
Jenny Holland:
- Substack: jennyeholland.substack.com
- Twitter: @semperfemina21

Closing Quote:

Ben Harnwell (51:09):

"Thanks for coming on the show... God bless."

Notable Omissions:

The summary intentionally omits segments related to advertisements, promotions, and non-content sections to maintain focus on the substantive discussions and analyses presented during the episode.

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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Stephen K. Bannon
War room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Good evening. Wednesday 18th of June, Anno Domini 2025. Harnwell here at the helm. So we've got a packed show for you guys today. We're going to be going to Detroit to talk about the suppression, the further ongoing suppression of traditional Catholicism. We'll be hitting that with Frank Water, Frank Walker a little later on the show, San Francisco, where we'll be discussing with Jenny Holland. Frank Francis Collins is on the church speaking circuit. Yes. And it is that Francis Collins of COVID Frame. We'll also be going out with Liz your to discuss what's going on over it with our friends the Southern Baptist and their convention in Dallas. Some good news coming out from there last week. But first, Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post. Brandon, welcome onto the show again. I you've got some good news. Breaking news coming out of the Supreme Court today. John Roberts seems to be the head of a 6, 3 majority here discussing, I think, allowing a Tennessee law that prohibited transgender meddling, biological, medical meddling on youth. And the Supreme Court has upheld that. Tell me, Brandon, what are the implications of this and what exactly did the the Supreme Court decide? Because I know that Justice Sotomayor did a little bit of showboating and took the unusual step of actually reading out from the bench her dissenting opinion. But first, tell us what the Supreme Court said and then I think I think other states as well, some 20, 28 or so other states have similar laws on the statute book. Tell us a bit then about what the Supreme Court said and what the implications of that are for the rest of the United States.
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Brandon Showalter
It's an absolutely huge ruling, Ben, landmark, if I must say. The supreme court, in a 6 to 3 ruling just out this morning, and it was spearheaded by Chief Justice John Roberts, allowed Tennessee's law to prohibit the chemical and surgical transing of minors to stand, saying that it did not violate the 14th Amendment. And basically what that means, it was an equal protection case. And so whether or not, quote, unquote, transgender minors constituted a special category that would rise to the level of strict scrutiny as required by the law. So the implications of this are absolutely massive. And I thought Justice Thomas had a great concurrence when he said that basically he was demolishing the supposed experts and say when you've got an evolving field of medicine, you don't really know. There's so much that's unknown. You have to defer to the people who are making the laws, like the legislator. This was part of Justice Roberts argument during oral arguments as well, that there's so much that is unknown about this. And the justices in black robes are not doctors. And so in his concurrence, Justice Thomas skewered the supposed experts, namely what you think of as wpath, who hold themselves out the World Professional association of Transgender Health, those types who hold themselves out as experts, when in fact they are activists. And so this was a rebel rebuke of activist medicine. Justice Barrett also had a very good concurrence. I know there have been people in the war room posse that haven't been so keen on Justice Barrett's rulings of late, but on this she was fantastic. And it's a six to three decisive decision. And of course, predictably, the leftist justices on the bench, including Sotomayor, are dissenting from this case. But it is hard to overstate, Ben, how enormous this is because this is a huge precedent setting legal blow against the child castration industry. And it's not overstating it to call it that. This is, this is a great day. This is a substantive win. The opinion didn't go as far as it could have gone. And it does use some language that I don't use in terms of labeling people transgender, when in fact that itself is a falsehood. You can't be the other sex. But I noticed that it also avoided the euphemism. And I love that they did this gender affirming care. They call it sex transition procedures. I thought that was very interesting. All in all, this is a very good ruling, A very good day. Bravo to the Supreme Court. Bravo to Attorney General Scremetti and his team in Tennessee. And there's many, many people who prayed for this day and worked hard to see this day happen. And yes, now the 20 odd states, I think 26 or 27 states that have put some kind of ban in place, those laws will be allowed to stand, and that's huge.
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Ben Harnwell
Brandon, you mentioned Justice Amy Phoney Barrett just now. Tell me, what conclusions are you drawing by the fact that she's back now solidly in this 6:3 majority? Because regular viewers to the war room will notice that she's been sort of, she's split from the MAGA position and there's a lot of dissatisfaction of that. The strong indication is that she was put there by President Trump effectively to sort of uphold a lot of the philosophy of what his administration is trying to achieve. And she's sort of been dissenting quite a bit, sort of putting herself along with another great dissenter, John Roberts. But here it is, you see the 6:3 majority down ideological lines. What do you say about that and specifically about Amy Phony Barrett herself joining this 6:3 majority?
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Brandon Showalter
Well, there's nothing phony about her in this ruling. And I actually know a friend of hers personally who I always thought that she would be on the right side of this issue. Basically, in her concurrence in this case, she sort of skewers the notion that trans is some immutable trait. I'm just going to read from her concurrence now. And it says to begin, transgender status is not marked by some sort of obvious immutable or distinguishing characteristics as race or sex. And so for her to understand and to articulate that, that, you know, it's impossible to be born in the wrong body essentially, it really sort of skewers this gnostic notion that you can be the other sex. And so that was, it was great to see from her. You know, she, I think with the War Room posse, they haven't always agreed obviously with Barrett's decisions, but on the social issues, she's right there. I mean, she was, as people will remember, she was the fifth vote in the Dobbs decision overturning Roe versus Wade. And so, I mean, it's say what you will, I do not think that had Hillary Clinton put those three justices that we would have gotten this ruling today. So even, even with the disagreements that people have had with some of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett's rulings, there's no question that this law would probably they would have struck it down had three leftist judges been put on the bench. I don't think there's any question about that. So I can't complain at all. I'm just thrilled to see the Supreme Court uphold Tennessee's law. Many people have prayed for this day. I'll just reiterate that, Brandon, I'm very.
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Ben Harnwell
Grateful for you coming on the show, such short notice to help break this down. But before you go, just looking to the future, what does this mean, this ruling today mean in General for the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection clause itself? Does this indicate that that equal protection clause really can't be invoked going forward specifically with regards to the transgender issue, or does it le it open for adults?
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Brandon Showalter
That remains to be seen. But what my read on this is is that the Supreme Court has struck a major blow to this ideological cause. It's possible that trans activists will try to challenge to challenge us on other grounds, but I think it indicates that the Supreme Court is not too keen on this notion at all. Justice Thomas, in his concurrence, also made the point that children can't consent. And so I don't think that if trans activists and their allies in the legal field are going to be too keen on going to the Supreme Court for redress on this basis. It's possible. But this is just such a major blow to have the Supreme Court say no to this, even though the opinion doesn't go as far as I think some would like. I don't think that equal protection grounds, 14th amendment questions with regard to transgenderism are going to pass muster at the Supreme Court for adults or kids. It remains to be seen, of course, and there might be some other legal avenue they'll try. But again, to have this really is a landmark ruling and to see it six to three coming out in Tennessee's favor, I think. And then this is, I'll just add that in a few weeks, the Federal Trade Commission, I said this last time I was on the war room, the Federal Trade Commission is going to be putting on a day long event where they will expose so called gender affirming care as a kind of consumer fraud. And so that's in keeping with President Trump's executive order from January 28, which empowered all the federal agencies to take appropriate action from their purchase. And so I think we're hopefully we can keep praying, seeing the death of the gender industry altogether. So this ruling is just one key crucial blow against it. But it's all part of a much larger push that the federal government is taking to end this scourge. And it's been a long time coming.
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Ben Harnwell
Brandon Showalter, you're doing fantastic work that the Christian Post. Where do people go on social media to keep up with your analysis and the breaking news that you're covering?
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Brandon Showalter
BrandonM show on X That's my, my X handle. Go to generationindoctrination.com to hear our documentary podcast. Stay tuned for season five. It will be out in several weeks. A few weeks christianpost.com to get all of our print reporting. And I'm already hearing from parents who are just so grateful for today's ruling one who's featured in the Deadname documentary film. And you can go to deadname documentary.com to see that moving, intimate portrait of the families who've suffered through this and that film. That documentary film is also available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV and Roku. It's it's just such a it's a sea change that three years ago this they tried to censor that film and now it's on all major platforms. So the tide is definitely turning. But deadname documentary.com if you want to get acquainted with the families who are suffering through this. But it's a great day. It's a great day.
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Ben Harnwell
Brandon Showalter, thank you very much indeed once again and God bless. Catch up again with you on the show soon. Thanks very much. This July there's a global summit of BRICS nations in Rio de Janeiro. The block of emerging superpowers including China, Russia, India and Iran are meeting with the global goal of displacing the US Dollar as the global currency. They're calling this the Rio Reset. As BRICS nations push forward with their plans, global demand for US Dollars will dec bringing down the value of the dollars in your savings. While this transition won't happen overnight, the Rio Reset in July marks a pivotal moment when BRICS objectives move decisively from theoretical possibility toward inevitable reality. Learn if diversifying your savings into gold is right for you. Birch Gold Group can help you move your hard earned savings into a tax sheltered Iraq in precious metals. Claim your free info kit on gold by texting Steve Bannon's surname. Bannon B A N N O N to 989-898 with an A plus rating. With a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers, let Birch Gold arm you with a free no obligation info kit on owning gold before July and the riot Reset text Bannon B A N N O N to 9,898 98 today. Okay, let's go now to something which I think we've been hinting at on this show quite a bit, which is the suppression of traditional Catholicism that has continued. Let's use the term seamless garment. That's really what it is. From from Bergoglio stage name Pope Francis to Leo xiv Frank Walker. Tell Me about the latest developments in Detroit, because this was widely expected, was it not? The bishop there in Detroit has suppressed 10 parish churches that were celebrating the traditional Latin Mass. That Mass that goes back 1,700 years and that has been that is that the persecution continues. Tell us a bit about that and, and what the conclusion is that you draw from it.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Well, he, you know, they had a lot of good Latin Masses in Detroit. Most dioceses aren't like that. Most of them, you know, around here there's only two. There's two at two o' clock in the afternoon or something like that. But they had a whole community there. And Bishop Weisenberger has just been recently moved there before Francis died. And he was, you know, one of the worst. And he was. I mean, now that they aren't. There aren't lots of lots like him. There are. I think he was in Phoenix or something or Tucson and he's moved up here. He's blaming Tradicionis Custodis, which Francis issued. The expiration date is up and he's left it to just parishes. Just like three, maybe parish, not even parishes. Three churches that are outside parishes. One of them is a shrine and they're the only ones that are left. And he could have done like they did in Saginaw, Michigan and applied for an extension, which happens a lot. But this is just followed up on what happened in Charlotte. There was a big deal about that. Charlotte was another diocese like that with lots of Latin Masses. So they're focusing on where the communities are growing.
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Ben Harnwell
I noticed this is one of the reasons this show exists is because we're really drilling down on the rest of TRAD Inc. And their portrayal of Pope Leo XIV as some kind of brush of fresh air and a great change and a great opening to traditional Catholics. And we're trying to drill down on that very strongly and urge caution. Let's put it like that, Frank. We're urging caution on that analysis. And in keeping with that narrative, you're seeing here what was, what is being spun in the. The TRAD Inc. Press. As we know originally here, Bishop Weisenberger was just going to suppress the tlm, the traditional Latin Mass everywhere in, in the diocese. But actually he's now created these, thanks to the presence of Holy Pope Pope Leo. He's now created this dispensation, if you will, in the non parish churches of this allowance, which is an indication of all the blessings that we can expect. But Frank, my reading of this is that Bishop Weisenberger had always planned to make some kind of allowance outside of the parish scene available. And if you go back to his earlier April statement, he definitely did say he was going to prohibit it in the parishes and make some allowance. Do you think that this is an indication that the TRAD Inc. Press is running. Is this evidence of our thesis, Frank Walker, that TRAD Inc. Is running, running away with itself a little bit too much on their narrative here?
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Stephen K. Bannon
They are quieter, they seem quieter this week, which is, you know, they've been spiking all the strong Leo stories. And, you know, this shows you how important the bishops are. And one of the things that, you know, besides just the targeting of Latin mass communities all around the world, also in France and in Argentina and Australia, the bishops are so important. And today you look at the topic, Canon 212. Today, there's a picture of a new bishop in Brisbane. I've never seen anything like him before. I mean, I've seen bishops that don't look too much like bishops, but this guy, this guy looks like he's on Wall street or something. Incredible. And there's a lot of different areas where trading has been ignoring Leo. Leo is simply making Francis Church stick. Francis was the guy swinging the ax. Leo is the one who's gently going to, like, sit there and behind the scenes, let everybody else seem to do the dirty work while everything becomes the new church that the enemies of the church been dreaming of for a long time.
[18:07]
Ben Harnwell
And I, you know, the thesis of the war room is that the key virtue, if one can use the word virtue in this context of his, you know, I think I'm the only, you know, I think, Frank, you and I were probably the only people who will refer to Leo XIV as His Holiness in a sarcastic tone of voice. This is the great virtue of His Holiness, is that I think discreetly is going to make sure everybody has the Vatican's Iban code to be making those. Those donations. On that point, we're going to come back to later on in the show because there's something, I think that, that confirms our thesis. But having hit this. Oh, look, before we go to Liz on this and discuss what's going on with the Southern Baptist, just say to our Protestant audience, why is this important that the traditional Catholic movement has a strong purchase in the culture?
[18:58]
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, it's, you know, we have a lot in common. We're not allowed to, like, you're going to go to an article about the Baptists. They're sort of allowed to move with their own people, with the movement of society that's moving towards the right. No longer since we've had Francis, can the Catholics that are faithful, that are conservative, that are politically effective, no longer can they have a voice. So the Protestants, they look at us and I think they, you know, they already are suspicious, but they need to know that we're out there and that like them, we're sort of been pushed out of the Catholic hierarchy in a way that they need to, they need to have some kind of solidarity with us because in so many ways we have so much in common. And, you know, they need to understand that about us.
[19:44]
Ben Harnwell
Stay there, Frank. We'll come back to you later on in the show. Liz, Frank's point there about solidarity between the, the Southern Baptist and that is to say the conservative biblical based evangelicals and traditional Catholics. I think it's absolutely perfect. And before we dig into the, the Southern Baptist Convention that took place last week in Dallas, let's just recall the fact that the late, unlamented Pope Francis actually came out and said, you know, because all we've had for 60 years in the Catholic Church is this, we've been force fed like, like foie gras Greece, foie gras geese. We've been force fed this radical ecumenical agenda, but all it's really been are Protestants who don't believe a word of their faith, getting together with Catholics who don't believe a word of their faith, pushing out these press releases, interminable and readable press releases where they say how much they have in common. Of course, they have so much in common. None of them agree with the fundamental tenets of their faith. And it's all a grift. And late unlamented Francis actually came out and said specifically with the pro life movement in mind, he's against the ecumenism of conservative evangelicals and traditional Catholics coming together to witness on the pro life front. And I think that's probably of all the really scandalous things he's done that I think for me it's got to be up there in the top 10. Look, we've got some good news today coming out from all that we're going to hit on the show today, coming out from, from our Protestant brethren. Why don't you just tell us a bit about what happened then in Dallas last week?
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Liz Yore
Yeah, and you know, this is, this is the very thing that moves the culture and moves the Supreme Court to the decision we have today is the people speaking out, victims speaking out, brave doctors speaking out. So what? The largest Protestant denomination, the Southern Baptists, over 12,000,000.7 of them, they listed a number of proposals. One demanding an overturning of laws, rulings throughout the United States regarding the marriage of between a man and a woman. They are asking for a overturning of the Oberger Obergefell lawsuit decision by the Supreme Court which legalized same sex marriage. And these are the kinds of things that the churches should do in leading the culture. Additionally, they went after all the social issues in this convention. They went after sports betting. They went after the chemical abortion pill, demanding that the Trump administration outlaw it. They encouraged laws that affirm marriage between a man and a woman and also encouraged policies that support families, whether they be tax policies, legal policies. And so they are. Actually this is a Roman Catholic saying this, leading the way in this cultural battle, bringing moral clarity to the issues that are impacting our culture here in the United States. And it's a wonderful thing to see.
[23:20]
Ben Harnwell
Let me just stop you there. Two things before we go on. You mentioned Obergefell. Right. Does the Catholic Church have an episode or at least as the Catholic Church bishops conference, have a formal position on lobbying any US Administration to get that overturned or repealed?
[23:42]
Liz Yore
Well, frankly, we hear much more about deportations than we do about same sex marriage. Frankly, we have there should be a constant drumbeat from the bishops conference. In fact, what did we hear from the bishops conference about the same time as the Southern Baptists. They were expressing their pain over the mass deportation. That's what our bishops were doing with respect to an issue that is overwhelmingly supported by American Catholics and Americans. And we don't hear them expressing pain of their countless victims that have been killed, maimed by illegal aliens who entered this country illegally. And so you have the politicization of the Catholic Church, the radicalization, the modernization of the Catholic Church embracing the left issues. And you have the Southern Baptists in their conferences embracing those moral standards which built this country, which built Western civilization, and being the sole voice, you know, in, in all of this to demand that we get back to our moral roots, those things that kept our country strong.
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Ben Harnwell
Liz, I'm going to hold you on over the break to dig down on this, but just give me sort of 90 seconds, will you? Because you just mentioned that the Southern Baptists are leading the way on this issue in the culture wars. Why do you think that is? Do you think there's some element here that nature abhors a vacuum and the Protestants are going in there to occupy the space that the Catholic Church had occupied and then relinquished for many decades?
[25:30]
Liz Yore
There could very well be, whatever the motivation, they are listening to their people. They are reading the tea leaves about the destruction of abortion on the culture, on families, the destruction of pornography and betting and the destruction of marriage. They are, I think, much closer to their people and listening to what their people are asking for. And so I think it's a cultural shift. You know, if you believe in ecumenism like the modern Catholic bishops do, I think they would be well advised to take a page from the strong moral voice, the cultural bomb that has just been dropped by the Southern Baptists. And you know what? We are going to see the fruits of this advocacy by the Southern Baptists, I promise you. We'll see it in Supreme Court decisions, we'll see it in policies from the Trump administration. And and so it is speaking out despite the fact that the media may think it's or the culture may think it's old fashioned. They speak from a biblical center.
[26:39]
Ben Harnwell
Liz, hold on to this. And we're going to come back to these spiritual fruits and political fruits in just a moment after this short break.
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Ben Harnwell
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Ben Harnwell
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[31:09]
Ben Harnwell
Welcome back. Liz, your let's just finish this point with you. I noticed that USA Today, in writing about last week's Southern Baptist Convention, wrote that the predominant group of evangelical Christians in the country continues to move sharply to the right. Now, whether you accept that analysis or not, whether you think they're simply just asserting a position that they, that they have had for decades. Would you suggest that there is some element of the Trump effect taking place within, within conservative event, the event, the conservative evangelical sphere, that is to say, having such an unashamed proponent within the culture wars at America's highest office. Is that sort of reinforcing, do you think, the, the Protestant troops. Let's not forget that this convention was comprised of 10,000 or so messengers. So when, when you say that the, that the leadership is listening, that the distance between the leadership and their faithful is a lot closer than in the, in, in the Catholic Church, do firstly, do you think there's some, something here that we see of, of the Trump effect? And secondly, Pope Francis constantly hectored his bishops to have the smell, the sheep, the odour of the sheep right of his flocks. From his perspective, what he was really agitating for was an undoing of Catholic Church teaching by projecting the fact onto the faithful, a huge progressive liberal desire that simply I don't believe exists in the latest there in the episcopacy. So those two things, Liz, do you think that this is the Trump. There's some, we can see something of the Trump effect working in amongst conservative evangelicals. And do you think they are doing in practice in an authentic way what Pope Francis, in a duplicitous way, intended for the Catholic Church?
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Liz Yore
Well, I think certainly everybody's getting courage to speak out, to push the absolute moral center to become a larger and larger tent for all of us, that we are no longer afraid to speak out because we have learned from Donald Trump and we see that he follows through on the things that he said during his campaign. You know, it's interesting you bring this up, the Trump effect, because at the same time that the Southern Baptists were pushing for the elimination of the abortion pill in the United States, uk, as you well know, approved abortion up to birth. These cultural struggles have to be led by someone. It's either the left or the right. And if the Catholic Protestant leaders aren't leading these struggles, they are going to be. The void is going to be filled by the radical left, by the Marxists. I mean, and that is truly what Francis was pushing, liberation theology, Marxist theology, which did not talk about the foundation of Catholicism, the foundation of moral thought, which was the creation and protection of children, of families, of the ability to build a civilization, on peace, on prosperity. We know that Francis hated the United States, the capitalist system. And so I think we're seeing, and I'm hopefully the UK will catch that Trump effect with these moral issues. We've got to have these discussions and we just saw the effect of mothers and fathers in hospitals fighting, fighting the hospital systems and the massive bureaucracies that were pushing for this extravagant gender mutilation and the dark history of this mutilation, gender mutilation and abortion. We're going to look back in 50 years and people will say what was wrong with these people, that they were doing these horrible things to their children. And so we've got to have leaders, we've got to have leaders on these moral issues.
[35:52]
Ben Harnwell
Liz well, we're going to come back to a little later on in the show before we go to Jenny Holland to discuss Francis Collins, who I think is doing his best to imitate an Old Testament prophet on the on the church circuit speaking circuit down in San Francisco. Let's just have a quick word about hometitlelock.com did you know scammers can literally steal your home? The FBI calls it house stealing. Criminals forge one document, fake a notary stamp, pay a small fee and suddenly your title is gone. They can take out loans on your equity, even sell your house out from under you and you won't know until the foreclosure notice arrives. When was the last time you checked your home title? If you're like me, never. That's exactly what they're counting on. That's why I trust Home Title lock. Their million dollar triple lock protection gives you 24,7 monitoring instant alerts on any changes to your title and up to 1 million in title restoration at no extra cost. Go to hometitlelock.com and use promo code Steve for a free 14 day trial. That's hometitlelock.com promo code Steve, Protect your home and peace of mind. Today, Jenny Holland, I was somewhat surprised to see Francis Collins there on the church speaking circuit in San Francisco after everything that Lisieux was the great news she was telling us about Protestants in their Southern Baptist Convention and what Frank was telling us about the suppression of traditional Catholicism out in Detroit. Tell us about this new Old Testament prophet that is that is going around in the churches. What gospel exactly is he preaching?
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Jenny Holland
That's a very good question, Ben. Thanks for having me back. Yeah. I was as surprised as anyone to open this link from Vanity Fair, a piece they ran in April of this year that opens up with Dr. Francis Collins, formerly of National Institutes of Health, attending an event in San Francisco called Code and Cosmos, a tech gathering to ponder the existence of God. And it has some choice quotes from Dr. Collins like what is the basis for morality? And things like his Christian faith has never once come into conflict with his deep scientific, rigorous scientific knowledge. And I would love to know those of us who've lived through covet and remember it well. We would love to know more about this and how he, how he manages to reconcile the two worldviews. And it unfortunately doesn't include him being quoted as saying mea culpa, mea culpa. But maybe that will be in a follow up. The whole article was very interesting because it's, it's suggesting that Christianity has come not just to Gen Z and some Gen X but Silicon Valley itself, which is really the belly of the beast or at least seems that way from the outside to a lot of us. And it's a fascinating article. It is filled with absolutely telling nuggets of information. Really, really indicative of where the culture is at, at the moment. And by culture I mean, I don't mean the maga culture, I mean the mainstream professional, managerial class culture of which Silicon Valley always has seemed to me at least to be on the vanguard. You know, that's where the smart boys and girls are. And even there, or maybe especially there, God is starting to make a reappearance. And I think that is an incredibly significant fact. Although we'd all be wise to treat it with some skepticism.
[40:06]
Ben Harnwell
Jenny, I tell you what, I think looking at politics, you know, when something is on the up, when it really is having success, because you can see all of the grifters starting to gravitate towards it like moths to a lantern on a July or August night on a porch, right? That I think the fact that people like Francis Collins, you sort of say.
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Jenny Holland
That.
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Ben Harnwell
You mentioned that God is starting to make a reappearance in San Francisco. I think that's how you know, that's how you know that there is something going on deep under the level in American culture because you have these people who've never demonstrated any remotely anything remotely Christian about them sort of coming in and now sort of trying to hoist themselves onto the bandwagon. What do you think to that? Is that, is that, am I being cynical here?
[41:08]
Jenny Holland
No, I don't think you're being cynical. I think it's an indication that they know on some level they realized that they are in not to sound like a first grader. Deep doo doo. They are, they are out in front of their skis in almost every possible way. I mean the articles so interesting though because it does indicate it does it does have these insightful paragraphs which show that even among the most successful of contemporary modern, secular, modern culture, even there, there is a dawning realization which I think is sincere to some degree, that living according to materialistic principles alone is an out and out disaster. And whilst there's undoubtedly lots of grifters there and lots of people trying to save their rear end and trying to make amends and trying to do a rebrand, I would say maybe Francis Collins is trying to do a rebrand as some sort of like the theologian, deep thinker, all merciful person. There is a sense even in Silicon Valley that the culture that we are all swimming in is deeply, deeply rotten. And there is a yearning for something that is more substantial that will carry us through. This sense that I feel is building generally that things are going very wrong very fast in terms of how we've raised children, in terms of our, the culture that we've produced and certainly in terms of our economy and real, in real hard nosed ways as well. But there's something ephemeral going on that the people in Silicon Valley, you know, you can say what you want about them and criticize them all you want. And I would agree they are very smart as well. And so I feel like they're a little bit like the canary in the coal mine with all the grifting as well.
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Ben Harnwell
Thanks, Jenny. Look, we did have other stories that I wanted to go through not only with you and with Liz today, but we had to make some space, a very short notice, to cover the breaking news out from the Supreme Court this morning. So the final story I'd like to hit today is held over from last week and perhaps, Jenny, the other ones that we wanted to hit with you and, and with Liz, we'll hold those forward to the bishops conference on immigration. We'll hold those forward to next week. Let's just quickly go back to Frank in the closing minutes then of this show because this is an important article here. This is to do with the Associated Press piece article last week about headlined can an American Pope Apply US Style Fundraising and Standards to Fix Troubled Vatican Finances. The real reason I pull this one out, Frank, is because this here confirms the analysis that we've had on the war and the analysis that you, that you've had on canon 212, I think, to the letter, right to the very word. This confirms everything that we've been saying. Why don't you just, just give, say, a quick 60 second synthesis of what this article is suggesting and then I'm going to ask You a question on it?
[44:41]
Stephen K. Bannon
Well, it has something to do with what we just heard about the people who are ruling the world, the money people. They're not getting the donations from these powerful people that they wish they could. And it's certainly not getting that from Catholics. They have like about a. This year, I think they had a $95 million operating deficit. They have a billion dollar shortfall in their pension plan. And they're hoping that Leo can, you know, turn this around. He doesn't seem to have the experience that I think he might have, the character, he might have other things, but he hasn't managed big budgets, maybe a million dollars with the Augustinians before a bishop's budget. So I don't know how he's going to do that. But they're really hoping that a new kind of pope will attract more donations. I see things happening financially outside of donations. I see more marketing of the Catholic Church, the tourism industry. There's a big thing this week and how he's going to go to Castle Gandapolis, amazingly beautiful place where popes have gone for several hundred years for vacation this summer. Well, that's been turned into sort of a conference center now for our globalism. And they market it. Now that that's marketing. They have a new website today. Vatican News is asking for donations to Peter's Pence. With the new Leo out there, you know, they're, they're really milking it for every dime and even more than they were before.
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Ben Harnwell
Frank, we called this right. There's no other way to say it all modesty aside, we called this, we called this on the first day of this pontificate. Let. Look, I just want to read this. This, this one extract out from this. And this is, this is the Associated Press. This is one of the big global, one of the three big global press agencies, folks. You just, you know, you make your own opinions on this, but I think this is an absolute endorsement of our, of our judgment call on, on day one, I quote, leo already has one thing going for him. This is talking about his fundraising potential, his Americanness. U S donors have long been the economic life support system of the Holy See, financing everything from papal charity concerts, excuse me, papal charity projects abroad, to restorations of St. Peter's Basilica at home. Leo's election as the first American Pope has served a jolt of excitement through U.S. catholics, some of whom had soured on donating to the Vatican after years of unrelating stories of mismanagement, corruption and scandal. According to interviews with top Catholic fundraisers, Philanthropists and church management experts. Frank Walker, this is in this paragraph, this is everything. And we've been widely derided for this. Right, but this is everything that we said from day one. Listen, we're coming up to the, to the close of the show now. Why don't you just give us a quick where can people go canon 212. Right. And your website. Right. I just want to say I'm going to try and get you back on the show, Frank, at some point next Wednesday because I want people to know what is happening to the, the attacks taking place on Canon 212 since you've started appealing to on this show. The suppression, the algorithmic suppression taken place by Google and that's happened to me and I can prove it. Right. This is a thing, folks. It's not conspiracy theory. It really does exist. 60 seconds, Frank. Where do people go? And I cannot, I cannot compliment the work that you do highly enough.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Thank you.
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Ben Harnwell
Ben.
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Stephen K. Bannon
Go to canon212c a n o n212.com and bookmark it because there's a new algorithm just in the last few weeks and it's very, very different, you know, so I would do that. And then also we're at Rumble for the video and at Gloria TV and on X, Canon 2212 spelt out straight there. There's a picture of it right there. Yeah. Make sure you bookmark canon212 because you don't know what they're going to do to us, you know, like they used to do with YouTube. It's the same company.
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Ben Harnwell
Thank you, Frank. You really, you really are the Catholic world's Matt Drudge. And I strong endorse your not only the work that you do but also your editorial line on the headlines that you push out. Thanks for coming on the show. See you next Wednesday. Liz, your where do people go to keep up with your analysis?
[49:24]
Liz Yore
My website is yourchildren.com and I'm everywhere on social media. Elizabeth yore and thank you so much, Ben.
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Ben Harnwell
Thanks Liz. Thanks as always for you breaking down, breaking the news. And today we had a slight change as you were talking through us, developments within the Protestant sphere rather than the Catholic sphere. Jenny Holland, you're on Substack. You write for Spiked. Tell us about your substack specifically, where do people go on that to catch up with you?
[49:58]
Jenny Holland
It's jennyeholland.substack.com the name of it is saving culture from a itself. And I'm on x@semper femina21.
[50:11]
Ben Harnwell
Jenny, I also have to say, did you mention what was, what was your ex handle just Once more?
[50:18]
Jenny Holland
Semper femina 21.
[50:22]
Ben Harnwell
Now that's Latin, right? Oh, basically always a lady. Something like always a lady or something, but broadly, broadly with that amp, Jenny, I tell you why I just, just as we head into the final seconds of the show, I the reason I really like your analysis and you and your take on these things is because you're an atheist and yet you pray the rosary every day. So I think you give us a specific, a particular interpretation on things and you have an original voice that people can listen to and they're not going to speak. We have a lot of evangelicals following the show. It's mostly evangelicals. So when you break these things down, you have a credibility, I think to expand on these things without people think you're just going to go straight into the Catholic dogma. So I can't compliment your own substack and ex account highly enough. Thanks for coming on the show. Catch up again with you next Wednesday. Wednesday, okay. So my thanks to the on the show today to Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post, Frank Walker from Canon 212, Liz your from your children, and Jenny Holland from Spiked. I'm Ben Harnwell, your host, international editor of the War Room. My thanks to our brilliant production team in Denver and producer Cameron Wallace. I'll be back at 6pm next Wednesday. Take care. God bless.
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