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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Ben Harnwell
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Frank Walker
War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Wednesday, 25th of June, Anno Domini 2025 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room doing what we do every Wednesday evening which is picking through all the latest developments, both Catholic and evangelical spheres. I'm looking at them really from a war room a maga in America. First where and when possible people perspective let's go straight into because we've got a lot of articles to go through today and a lot of developments, a lot of news. Let's start my my usual guest Frank Walker and Jenny Holland. Join me. We're going to start with Frank. And this is something that Pope Leo, holy Pope Leo, His Holiness said on Sunday, which in the modern liturgies is when the church goes through the motions of celebrating Corpus Christi. And Pope Leo made that the occasion to intervene on international politics, specifically the war between Israel, Iran and the American bombing. Leo, Frank, why don't you talk us through what Leo was saying and whether you noticed yourself any gaps, perhaps any, any things he, he, he neglected to consider or to mention or, or to refer to in his discourse.
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Frank Walker
Well, I suppose it he could have referred to the dangers of, of nuclear proliferation. That might be something but, but what strikes me and I think this is the umpteenth time that he's pushed this what I would call pacifism. Peace, peace, peace. They're constantly saying all the time as if complete peace all the time as Christianity. And nobody should ever fight against injustice. Knights would never have been able to save us. Knights used to be you had a guest here a couple weeks ago, Raymond Abraham, talk about fighting in wars that can be good. It can be a sign of love. In fact the opposite is really vice is cowardice. I didn't hear any of that in what he says and I think that the whole point of this piece really is to leverage on the side of the people who are the offenders against the victims and of course, the anti Trump politic. And this is a great opportunity politic against Trump in the name of Christ.
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Ben Harnwell
Frank, I tell you what I didn't notice in this discourse was there was not only no reference to God, but no reference to Jesus Christ either, not none that I saw in his discourse. And it's a bit strange, I think, strange though, of course, I'm used to this to see our Catholic prelates talking about peace without invoking the Prince of Peace himself. You know, you said a couple of things here. It was the Old Testament, false prophet prophets, right, who went about crying peace, peace where there is no peace. But, you know, you make a good point here. And that is, I'm not sure, taking both the New and the Old Testament taken together, I'm not sure that the Catholic Church should have an instinctive preference at least if it's going to intervene on these things for peace and the absolute in the abstract, unless it's also founded on justice. I think, you know, that that's what sort of Raymond Ibrahim was also sort of mentioning a few weeks ago. That is to say, I think the Catholic Church should, you know, if we're talking about papal interventions in issues which are complex and detailed, I think the Catholic Church should reach beyond just banal platitudes if it wants to be taken seriously. Right. And of course, Jesus Christ said, you know, I've not come to bring peace, but a sword as well, which is also a factor. That is to say, it is not the Catholic Church's primary purpose on the international stage when making political interventions just to promote peace in the abstract, not remotely, though, the role of the Catholic Church is to promote the gospel and the kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, first and foremost. If you do that, if you do that, and if Everybody in the 6 billion people on the face of the planet inculcated in their hearts a love towards Jesus Christ, then perhaps an authenticity peace might emerge. I thought one would reasonably hope so. But until that is the case, you know, the Catholic Church are talking about peace without the proper foundations. It's going to be like, this is from the Psalms, just like the pelican on the rooftop squawking away all by itself, you know, anyway, just give me your, your feed, your response to what I just said, if you wouldn't mind on that, and then we'll. I'll come out, I'll read a quote from this thing and then we'll Cut over to Jenny.
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Frank Walker
What he's doing is he's scolding people who are actually being virtuous and they're fighting. To fight as a soldier on the battlefield and offer your life for your country is a very, very high, virtuous thing. And from the. From the Pope himself, and not just him, but the political leaders who try to fight on behalf of what's right, on behalf of what's just. For him to say these things all the time, this pacifism, which is a heresy, is scolding people for actually being virtuous and undermining virtue. And when you undermine virtue from Rome itself, you're creating a planet of people who are cowards. There was nobody hurt in this attack on Iran, and it was very limited, and they were evacuated at first. But he's, you know, he's talking about mothers and children as if he. As if Trump, you know, generally, you know, hinting that perhaps Trump has hurt children. And that's, in a way, that's kind of a blood libel, actually, under the circumstances. What he did here may somehow be leading to peace through strength. Like they say. These things are all possible under just war teaching in the Church.
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Ben Harnwell
Look, as people who follow me on ghetto will know, I have been incredibly right from the first moment against both the Israeli bombarding of Iran, but also the US Bombarding of Iran, and very against that. But we can go for political reasons, so we can. We can just go discuss those at another time. What I was, you know, so I said that I don't want anyone to, you know, I have, you know, I don't want anyone to think there's a contradiction to what I'm saying. I was against those bombings, but from a religious perspective, specifically a Christian perspective. And again, this thought comes to me as I hear you're speaking frank, that about. You say, about pacifism being a heresy. Look, is there a parallel here between the Orthodox Jews in Israel who refuse to. To be called up to fight and refuse to some extent to recognize the foundation. Foundation of the secular state of Israel because they say it wasn't founded by the Promised Messiah, which from a Jewish perspective is coherent. Coherent? I didn't say it was correct. It's coherent. Is there a parallel, do you think, between the Orthodox position there in refusing to recognize the legitimacy of the secular modern state and the Catholics saying that the Pope shouldn't be promoting peace unless it is a peace founded on Jesus Christ? Because both of these things are predicated on God and his promises. Right? You have.
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Frank Walker
If you just War teaching is, I think, critical to power. So if you're going to support a valid government, whether it's that, you know, you don't like the secular state, so you're not going to support that, you don't consider that just. If Catholics constantly teach peace as a, as if it were Catholic teaching, there wouldn't be, if they did that all the time, there wouldn't be a church in Europe. There would be no cathedrals anywhere. They're just handing power over to the enemy. So depending on whether or not it's key, whether or not their cause is just, fighting battles is important. It's a great virtue. And, you know, I think that I don't, you know, the ins and outs of what's going on in the Middle east are very complicated right now. And especially when you get to Trump, you know, I don't know whether the war is just. But if you constantly are teaching that it's never ever just that nothing good, you know, war always is bad, it's never good. He even quotes Pius xii, I think, you know, outside of context, saying that, you know, war is always bad, it never accomplishes anything. You know, you're just, you're just capitulating is what you're doing.
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Ben Harnwell
Let me be precise about this, because I wasn't against the bombing because I'd invoked my own interpretation of just war theory. I was against the bombing because I didn't see how it fitted within, how can I say, a strict definition of the America first philosophy. That was the reason particularly I was against it. I'm sure you, I'm sure theologians could make a valid argument for invoking just war theory on that. I'm sure others will also say not, because of course, it depends on the fundamental reality of whether the Iranians, whether the Ayatollah himself had actually green lit a resumption of the nuclear weapons making program because if he hadn't done, then a preventative strike then becomes far more difficult to sustain. But it was more against the America first aspect. But thanks for that, Frank, and we'll come back to, I'm sure, in future episodes. Let's go now to the uk this story here, this development about the Assisted Dying Bill in uk. Jenny, firstly, could you tell us a bit about that, but also tell us, because here, in the particular reference to this that we have here, there was a Labor MP who is associated with something called Blue labor. And this is something I think Steve has had, has had on the show also in the past. Just tell us a bit if you wouldn't mind. The Blue Labour thing is again, remind us and then say about the assisted dying bill and then say whether you're surprised that a Labor MP actually ended up voting against it and what that might mean.
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Jenny Holland
So, yes, of course. So Blue Labour is a blue collar wing group within the Labour Party. And as you know, and your audience probably knows, the UK Labour Party is very, almost entirely, quite far left and progressive and has all but abandoned the British working class in a multitude of ways. So I was surprised that a Labor MP voted in that way, only in that I was surprised that there are still vestiges of the old traditional working class conservative social values ethos within the Labor Party. I was relieved to see that it hasn't completely gone extinct.
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Ben Harnwell
Now.
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Jenny Holland
You know, the vote is not, it's not set in stone yet. It now has to go to the House of Lords and there is still, I suppose, a chance of stopping it. But it seems to have very strong momentum in spite of very loud, very vocal concerns raised against it from sort of across the spectrum. I mean, here in Northern Ireland, all but One of our MPs voted against it, including the more traditional sort of staunch religious Protestant parties, the smaller ones and the larger ones, but also even the MP for Alliance, which is a very progressive party. So I think people are voting on this along more personal lines than party lines. However, it's very dark. It's a very dark bill and the it's likely to become law. When you were speaking a moment ago about Leo, Pope Leo and his banal platitudes, I think you call them, about peace, it brought to mind what the Church of England's reaction to the assisted dying bill was. And that was to give out an incredibly bureaucratic and anodyne statement calling the bill unsafe. Which, I mean, I honestly have to laugh. I mean, it's almost like a Monty Python skit that, you know, the Church of England, which is supposed to be the moral center of the United Kingdom and this historic institution called a bill that would allow the government to off its own citizens unsafe. I mean, it almost seems like that's kind of the point. And I don't mean to be irreverent, I don't mean to be glib, but it's almost like dark humor at this point.
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Ben Harnwell
You know, a point, an observation to that which I could have made when we were talking about the Leo's, Pope Leo's intervention on the war. It is as if both the Church of England and the Catholic Church these days, and not just these days, for decades they will do absolutely anything to avoid talking about Jesus Christ in the public sphere. They will do it doesn't matter what somersaults they have to do, what contortions they have to do. If they can come out with, with a pseudo innocuous banal platitude. That was the expression, right? A banal platitude. If they can come out with just some meaningless word salad. Right, yes. To avoid having to actually refer to Jesus Christ, they will do that. And that's been the case for decades and it is almost the case that I'd say that the better able you are to just produce these meaningless sort of personalities, the more likely you are to, to see, to see advancement within your respective ecclesial communion.
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Jenny Holland
Absolutely and absolutely.
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Ben Harnwell
You know, the Muslim, by the, by the way, for I think for the last 30 years in the UK, Islam has been the world's first as being the UK's fastest growing, growing religion.
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Jenny Holland
Yes.
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Ben Harnwell
Oh, you know, we're going to come on to this because you have another story from a couple of weeks ago, but we'll come on to that in the second half because I think that ties into this, but Islam, but just, just to give it its due, when it comes to banal platitudes, it sort of reacts to banal platitudes in the lisphere, like, like Superman to kryptonite. They don't go anywhere near it. You know, if you look at what these, the Muslims are saying, it's normally coherent, very clear and take it or leave it.
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Jenny Holland
Yes.
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Ben Harnwell
And people respond to that in the religious, in the political sphere as well, but especially the religious sphere, people respond to that because they don't want to be participating in a make it up as you go along religion.
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Jenny Holland
Yes, absolutely.
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Ben Harnwell
The.
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Jenny Holland
I mean, it seems to me at this point, and I don't mean to sound like a rabble rouser, but it seems to me that the elites, both in government and in the churches are almost unsalvageable. They have yet to provide any clear moral authority. They're constantly speaking out of both sides of their mouth and as you say, they're not delivering what all of the numbers are showing people actually want, which is, as you say, coherence, a sort of a spine, moral fortitude and a sense of meaning, even if it requires sacrifice. When you listen to leaders across the spectrum, you get the sense that they are, they would do anything to stay in power and, and will sacrifice nothing for a belief which is the exact opposite of what regular people are now picking up on as something that they need in their lives. And this is shown over and over again. And when it comes to, like the Labor Party and the Keir Starmer version of the Labour Party, like the Tony Blair change of the Labour Party, you know, you have to give them their due too, because progressives are going to. Progressive, that is what they are, that is what they're going to do. And you expect that from them. But to see something like the Church of England issue a, almost like an HR department's memorandum about how, oh dear, well, maybe this isn't safe when we're talking about killing off elderly and sick patients on an already very overtaxed nhs. I mean, that to me deserves far more ire than the Labour Party leaders that are trying to push this through.
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Ben Harnwell
Look, before we move on from this, I saw something in the UK press last week and though I, I didn't flag it, up to you, I wonder whether you noticed it yourself that at the very time they're discussing this assisted dying bill, they're also discussing the cuts to disability benefits because of course the money simply isn't there. And the money's definitely not going to be there if the UK is even going to attempt to meet its new 5% defense spending commitments. It's not going to attempt that, not remotely. Whatever NATO said earlier on today in the Netherlands, there's no NATO country that is going to go anywhere near 5%. Look, just to open brackets, Russia's in the middle of a war and I think its defense spending 6.3. There is no way that lazy Europeans addicted to welfare are going to tolerate a 5% expenditure on defence when there is clearly and manifestly no imminent threat. Not going to happen. So. So I'll be looking at that, putting my international editor hat on to see how, having affirmed that they're going to meet 5%, I'm going to see how they're going to regulate it. But the point is this, the money is not going to be there. And do you draw. Do you have your cynical, beady eyes on this? As I, as I do, yes. Jenny, do you see a link here between the cuts to disability spending on the one hand and the gen, the gentle sort of shuffling off the stage of people in the end of life condition? Because of course, I think in the uk, where we have the National Health Service, I think the statistics are that like 90% of a person's health budget are used up in the last six months of life. That is a 90% of the total NHS expenditure on a person on average is used up in that end of life situation. So if you can get people to willingly embrace their own demise earlier, that's going to be huge, huge, huge savings across the board for the nhs. So just quickly, before we move on, do you see any connection between these two phenomena?
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Jenny Holland
Absolutely, absolutely. And you know, my mind can't go to the sort of the darkest place that, that you might follow that down to, but that is what MP Dan Cordon, who is this Labour Party MP that we mentioned at the beginning, that was the concern he raised. He said, I am from a working class area where people are very aware of the terrible state of the existing health service and the difficulties with palliative care and the gaps in the resources to help people who I would say many of them have been taxpayers their whole lives and help families through those very tough last few years and months. And that is why he said, I cannot justify voting yes to support assisted dying because it's just too close for comfort. The inability of the state to take care of the existing sick people, it's just too close for comfort. Then to add in assisted dying, as if that's not going to become a preferred option from, from a very overtaxed and inefficient nhs.
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Ben Harnwell
Thanks, Jenny. Just hold on there. We'll come back to you in a few minutes. Frank, we've got a break coming up, but can you just give me the readout of this poll that came out a couple of days ago? Because obviously the Catholic Ink press has jumped all over this saying how beloved Pope Leo is and how well he's been received. But I noticed on your website, Canon212, you've really sort of dug down a little bit into the statistics. Then all is not as it appears.
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Frank Walker
Oh, this is a Catholic magazine here. But no matter where you are, you never ever get a poll of actual practicing Catholics. You almost you maybe once in a while you get it, but very rarely. And so what they hear are doing, they're asking people, a group of people who, maybe 10% of them actually go to Mass and say more than a prayer a day or something like that. And they're. And they're using this as an example to say that, you know, people are very favorable about him. So, and then they have, 65% of them are somewhat favorable. So that means that I think that's kind of a tepid favorability. And especially when it comes to Catholics, 35% of them, they must not like, like Leo at all. That's a lot of people not to like Leo. And if they don't like Leo. Why? I mean, they hardly even know him. They don't know anything about him. He hasn't said much that they would know. They. You think that they at least give.
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Ben Harnwell
Wait, wait, wait, wait. If Steve were here in this chair, it would be. Hold on a bit. Hold on. Don't bury the lead. Right. Six percent of American Catholics. That's like more than one in. One in one in 20. Right? One in 20. This is more than one in 20 said they have a very or somewhat unfavorable opinion of him.
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Frank Walker
Yes.
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Ben Harnwell
These are guys. These are guys.
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Frank Walker
Well, that's my question. What are they? Are they. Are they faithful Catholics or are they more on the left side? Because the poll shows that Republicans likely, I mean, Democrats like Leo better than Republicans. And even among the Republicans, you know, you see, I think that this, this wing, this 10% here, that definitely, definitely. Not just somewhat, but definitely doesn't like Leo. I think that's where you find the Catholics. I think most of the Catholics, and as far as Republican goes, that's where you find what they call the conservative or the MAGA Catholics. I think that's what this pulse is, that MAGA Catholics and conservatives don't like Leo any more than they did Francis. And this is. This is when they don't know him yet. There's a big chunk of people in this poll that don't know. They say, I don't know. I don't know. I'm giving them a chance. But I would expect that over the coming months and years that this favorability is going to deteriorate as the scam news kind of filters through and the reality gets there and they see his politicking, they mention his politicking, his lady church, his bishop appointments. Faithful Catholics are noticing this stuff. They're getting past. There's a huge new wave of media campaigning. I mean, when he goes out there, they have people kissing his ring. Thousands of seminarians are bursting out in Latin hymns. Where do they. Where do they hear? Where do they know this Francis church taught seminarians Latin hymns? You know, they have everything carefully programmed to make him look Catholic here. But I think mega Catholics are buying it.
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Ben Harnwell
60 seconds. No, I certainly don't think MAGA Catholics are buying it. 60 seconds. Right. You're the number one Catholic news aggregator. No one follows these things, has a better feel of these things than you. Tell me, on the basis of what you were saying, what's your time frame for MAGA Catholics or for this, the unknowns to start forming an opinion that will lean potentially in our direction.
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Frank Walker
Well, I noticed that is a small thing, but Eric Sammons just in a tweet, Eric Sammons is the head of Crisis magazine and there's some other papers and that's sort of an establishment faithful Catholic source. And he mentioned the fact that, you know, he's hearing pushback, that Leo only has a traditional veneer, but then underneath that he's not really a faithful Catholic, he's not really a conservative. The fact that he mentions that that is even an issue out there is a sign to us that it's starting to turn, that they're having to recognize that their propaganda is kind of falling flat and slipping through the cracks.
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Ben Harnwell
Frank Walker Whether this can see it turning now, whether this is a veneer or a laminate, we'll discover after the break.
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Frank Walker
War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Welcome back. Now, Jenny Holland. I know that you're doing a podcast of your own on this next story. And I'll give out the references of where people can go at the end of the show that because I know you have a great deal of insights in this story. Tell me about this article from a short while ago by the Catholic News Agency which listed that Catholics now outnumber Anglicans among Gen Z in the UK and break that down for us.
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Jenny Holland
Yeah, yeah. So according to the story with polls done by the Bible Society, which is a charity, and YouGov did surveys of Catholics and Anglicans in the UK and found that in that Gen Z cohort, the Catholics outnumber the Anglicans 2 to 1. And this really tracks with everything that I'm observing both in my own experience and also online. And the, I mean what we were talking about before about the Church of England saying that the assisted dying bill was unsafe and also the decriminalization of late term abortion was worrying. I mean if, if the, if not even the Church of England is going to stand up for its own principles, why would young people who are really lost and struggling in a multitude of ways, why are they going to reach for the Church of England as a life raft that they need? They're not. If you, if you stand for nothing, you get nothing. So it's not, not a surprise to me at all that they are turning towards Catholicism. And I know from other sources that many of them, if not most of them, I would, I would, I would just guess that in fact probably all of them are going toward the traditional Latin Mass because young people have borne the brunt of a totally secular society. My generation, which is Gen X, we were, we're old enough to have lived off the fumes of, of the greatest generation. And the way children were raised for since time immemorial, we got the tail end of that. So we have a little bit more of a grounding. But by the time you get to Gen Z, these kids have been raised without any guardrails and in a totally secular environment. I spoke yesterday to a young woman, she's a millennial, but a young woman who detransitioned. So she, she left the gender cult and she said she felt like she was drowning in tar and she solid ground to stand on and she was trying to make herself into a little God. And that is because that's what secular culture teaches children and young people. And the, what rescued her was returning to the Catholic Church and refamiliarizing herself with God and Jesus and Mary. And it's, I mean it's, it's incredible to hear because these stories are very uplifting. And I found the story in the Catholic News Agency to be quite reassuring, especially because, you know, young people are needed to re energize common sense morality. They are, they are really at the coal face. They're the ones that are going to have to do it. You know, it's no, it's no use old codgers like me talking about it. They're the ones that are going to have to do it for themselves. And hopefully because they're young and still of childbearing years, they will have children and raise them accordingly. And maybe, just maybe, although the odds are still stacked against us all, we can return to, like I said, common sense morality.
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Ben Harnwell
I have an excerpt from, from this, from this article from this poll, which I will troll you with, Jenny. In addition, it says over a fifth of men aged 18 to 24, which is 21% now say they are attending church monthly. Church monthly, which is higher than their female peers at 12%. So it's just a few points away from almost being literally double and I hate to say this, folks, but Christianity is a patriarchal religion. It is. It's not it, it's not a, it's not an objective reality because Ben Harnwell said it is. That is just the case. Christianity is a patriarchal religion. It follows on Judaism, which is also follows out from it grows out from Judaism, which is also a patriarchal religion, as is Islam. I sort of see here there's you know, we've mentioned this, we've touched on this a few times in the past. There is definitely a moment going on for guys, for chaps, for men right now, not only in politics, but also in religion and to see young guys here getting churched up, I think in terms of its future implications in, in the what's the Latin Nicolasia domestic at the house church, the idea that men will once will once again, this is after a lapse of centuries, right? But the idea that men will step forward and resume a role of leadership in, in church matters, in religious matters, in faith matters, in, in the home, I think that is going to be even if the numbers are small, even if we're talking 21, that is really going to be the yeast that makes the bread rise. I'm absolutely convinced of that. And you see these statistics I'll give away to you on this point, right? I, I've seen, I saw it again the other day, this statistic that if you really want to make sure your kids go to church when they're adults, it has to be the father that takes them to church. And this is like both Catholic and Protestant, though the Catholics, I think, have done quite a bit of research on this has to be the father that takes the kids to church. If it's only the mother, especially if we're dealing with sons here, if it's only the, the mother that takes their sons to church, those kids are almost, not, almost never likely to, to continue church going. If it's the father that takes them, especially if the father takes them by his kids, his sons by himself, that, that is factors higher that those kids, especially boys, will, will continue active church going. That is one of the most underappreciated but essential facts that I could identify to do with church going and church practice. I'll repeat that. If you, if you are, if you are religious parents, Christian parents, and you want your sons, especially sons, to, to, to continue church practice as adults when they're living by themselves, has to be the father that takes them to, to church on Sunday. Okay, I know you've, you, you've got something to say on that. Go ahead.
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Jenny Holland
Yeah, I mean, you're bringing up the thorniest part of this and the most difficult because not only you're right, it's more among young men. And there's been many studies and news stories about how young women in general are becoming more left wing. And that's a real problem for obvious reasons. And not only that, even if that stopped and young women, and I mean, I, I know anecdotally young women who are turning toward the church and specifically the, like you say, accepting of the patriarchal dynamic of Catholicism and Christianity. But, you know, I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I'm not, I'm not even making a rhetorical point. I don't know how three generations of liberalism can be undone in terms of how women and men interact. And I personally, being a very secular person, being a very modern person, I grew up in a liberal, secular world. I don't, I don't, I can't quite see how we can return to the old way in that regard. And I understand that, you know, a true return to God hinges on that point. So that has to be worked out. And it's going to be worked out individual to individual, you know, young man to young woman, family to family. And, you know, I can't really opine on, you know, how that's gonna, how that's gonna happen, but I actually will say this, which I can opine on because it's Very common to see in social media and even in news stories. I think the Washington, sorry, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times both published stories in this regard. Women, you know, successful, liberal, secular career women lamenting the fact that they can't find husbands. And I think the, you know, for young people, the dating world is very grim right now. And I can see that driving women to at least consider the more traditional options.
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Ben Harnwell
Okay, thanks, Jenny. And I know you're going to be diving into these things more in that podcast that you're preparing right now. And as I say, we'll give out the pointers for that at the end of the show. Let's get back over to Frank now because his story. Here's a story, Frank, that it's the McDaddy right now, the leading article on Canon 212, your own website. This is a post that Eric Salmons has put out who's the editor of Crisis magazine. He's been on the show quite a few times with Steve. And he says this, Let me just read this out. And, and then you give me your take on this. This is what he says in his tweet. I think that traditionalists who argue that Pope Leo is worse than Francis because he just puts traditional veneer on post conciliar problems don't realize how vital traditional veneer is to overcoming those post conciliar problems. And you, you quite cleverly entitled this on your website that it's not even a veneer, basically, it's more of a laminate. But, but tell me what, tell me first, before you break it down. Tell me just in your own words, what he's saying at the point that he's trying to make. And then, and then, and then we'll analyze it.
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Frank Walker
Well, he's, I think it's kind of a personal defense of his campaign and, and the people like him in the more powerful Catholic media and what they're trying to accomplish. You know, it's a veneer is a wood thing. Laminated is more of a plastic but. And it shows who is actually paying the bills in the Catholic press, because those people are not necessarily the friends of Catholicism. Just like Jenny was saying, the elites in running the church, they're not really, they don't really have the Catholic faith. They think, those elites, they think of our faith or faithful Catholics as being something very shallow. We like the smells and bells. They always like to say we're going to be happy with just the Mass in and of itself, but, you know, it's not those things. Are meaningful to God, what happens in Mass, but they're spiritual things. There's not a lot of physicalness to it. They think they can push the things that they see when they look at the Catholic Mass and they see this, Leo's Corpus Christi event that he held this weekend, they went back perusing through old pictures of Catholic popes in the past so they could make it look really, really, really Catholic while he goes up there and he keeps spouting his same liberalism and really anti Catholic things. I think that's what he's like. I think that that's what's represented in the head of Crisis mags post here. They think that we're that shallow, that we're going to buy this. The veneer is really important.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, that's what they think. That is exactly what they think. This goes back to something that, you know, I, I try to get this into every show that we do, right? But this expression, because I like it so much, because it captures exactly where I'm coming from. But when I hear the words Red mozzetta, I reach for my gun. Which is a play on something that. That was. Which, which that was Field Marshall. Blimey. The names fled from, from my, from, from my going. Field Marshal going. When I hear the words attributed to him. When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun. When I hear the words red mozzetta, I reach for my gun. Because I know exactly the pitch that they're going to do, which is basically just allow yourself to be persuaded and deceived and led along because of a piece of vestment and all will be well. This, you know what, you know, you know what we used to call this in the uk, Frank? Salvation through haberdashery. This is where these people are, right? Because the Catholics have salvation by works, the Protestants have salvation by faith, and these guys here have salvation by haberdashery. It's what's all. All. The only important thing is, is what you wear and then all will be well. And I was astonished because Crisis magazine is a huge magazine in the Catholic world. It is on the set, certainly on the right of the. On the conservative side, not the traditionalist side. On the conservative side of the church, it has a big footprint. I was surprised to see their editor come out and say this. Really. I mean, Frank, I had no doubt. I had no doubt this is actually what they were believing out there. But I was surprised to see them come out and just say it straight up. Yeah. What's the, what's the solution? Just give me, Just give me a minute. What's the solution to this? What are good Catholics? How are they to respond? And if you can, if you feel yourself open to it, what can good conservative evangelicals be who followed this show? What can they be alive and alert to? Because it's the same phenomenon taking place, I think, change a few of the variables, but it's the same sort of dynamic that is taking place also in the Protestant sphere to be satisfied, be bought off with the superficials, but let the underlying substance be radically changed. So just give me a minute on what your solution would be to this in both Catholic and Protestant camps, if you wouldn't mind.
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Frank Walker
As, as you can see, there's. In the poll. I don't, I don't think there's a whole bunch of people that are not being represented in this fake press. And it's the same problem, like you mentioned last week with the Baptists and, and I remember Liz Drew saying, leadership is what's needed, and our community needs leadership. And like Jenny is saying with the, the males, the men in the church, and how are we going to solve the problem of years, of decades of feminism, prayer, and the more masculine Mass, which is the more faithful masses that you can attend, Those things can help a lot, too. But I'm glad to see that the story is starting to get out. And whatever happens in the Catholic Church, our Protestant brothers, they look to the Catholic Church in the past. They look to us to stand up for things. Now they look to us with sadness. Oh, it's going the same way everything else. But I think that together, you know, we share actual.
- [47:48]
Steve Bannon
We take action.
- [47:49]
Frank Walker
You know, we're the faithful Protestants and the faithful Catholics have a political force. And if we have leadership, we can accomplish things together. So I think they should learn that we need to come out from under this, this big blanket that they're throwing over our heads in the Catholic media and the hierarchy. The hierarchy and the, and the regular Mass is so effeminate. It's repulsive to people, to men and people that actually want to take action and solve things. It's, you know, it's like you mentioned the Nazis. It's like we live in this Nazi planet and we have no way to get out from under it. But we're still there. We need to remember that. We're still there. We're out there.
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Ben Harnwell
We're still. We're still there. We're still fighting. Look, 90 seconds, Frank. Standby. We'll just come back to you. We're moving up to the end of the show. Now, Jenny, look, can you just give me like 90 seconds on this story from Matlock in the UK to do with the pride for flag? Because I think this is just an indication of what Christians can achieve in the public square. Just, just 90 seconds and we'll end on this positive note.
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Jenny Holland
Well, a small town in northern England has a pride had a pride flag hanging alongside its UK flag and its county flag. And the owner or, or someone in the Christian bookshop outside where the flag was hanging complained to the council and the council took down the flag. That's the short story. Now I would be very curious to see what kind of blowback is going to befall this little Christian bookshop for the crime, the heretical crime of complaining about the flag, the pride flag, which is akin to the new religion in the United Kingdom. So we'll see how that plays out for them.
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Ben Harnwell
But good news is the mouse that roared, right? It's David versus Goliath thus far.
- [49:38]
Jenny Holland
Yes, as the young people say, there is a vibe shift.
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Ben Harnwell
There is certainly a vibe shift. Okay look, you mean we mentioned earlier your podcast and the sub stack analysis. Just give us a a quick account of where people to can go to keep up with your analysis on these things. I'll say just again Jenny, the reason I love having you on this show as someone who is not formally religious is formally atheist. You do pray the rosary every day and you're very proud and open of talking about the spiritual fruits you get from that. So where do people go to keep with your analysis on these these developments?
- [50:23]
Jenny Holland
The best place is Jenny E. Holland substack and also on the Notes app, which is the Substack social media network platform, that's the best place to find me jennyeholland substack.
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Ben Harnwell
And that's thanks and for the and for the podcast.
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Jenny Holland
It will be there as well and it should be up on Apple as well.
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Ben Harnwell
Great. Okay Jenny, thanks so much and God willing, we'll catch up with you again at 6pm next Wednesday. Frank Walker, you are the Catholic Matt Drudge. I very much strongly encourage people to check out your Canon 212 website. Look next next week you might just give a few words and say what Canon 212 actually is, what the code of canon law is to put some context behind this. Where do people go to catch up with that? And can I ask you now, will you put the links that we hit today, the articles we hit today on the show, would you mind would you be so kind to put them up on your website so that people can go to that to read more and be better informed. And where do they go for your social media stumbling block and all the rest of it.
- [51:37]
Frank Walker
Canon 212C A N O N 212 Book Market on X it's Canon 212 written all the way across. And you could find the Daily Update video on Rumble and at Gloria TV and a can two 20.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, great. And Stumbling Block.
- [51:55]
Frank Walker
Is, is a site here. It's also linked. You can't. There's a couple places where you can see the Daily Update video. It's about 10 minutes. 10 or 15 minutes. Just goes through the news articles of that day.
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Ben Harnwell
Perfect. Take a look. Perfect. I'd say you need, you need to tap out, folks, that the canon2112.com in full because the site is currently being suppressed by Google. Thanks. Thanks for joining us today. We're back at 6pm next Wednesday. My thanks to the great team in Denver and to producer Cameron Wallace. God bless. For now.
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