WarRoom Battleground EP 815: BREAKING: Outrage As Vatican Appoints Priest Imprisoned For Distributing Child Porn To Senior Post

Summary

WarRoom Battleground EP 815: BREAKING: Outrage As Vatican Appoints Priest Imprisoned For Distributing Child Porn To Senior Post

Release Date: July 25, 2025
Host: WarRoom.org (Stephen K. Bannon)

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Introduction

In this poignant episode of Bannon’s War Room, host Stephen K. Bannon delves into two major scandals within the Catholic Church that have ignited outrage and concern among believers and critics alike. The discussions center around the Vatican's controversial decision to reinstate a priest convicted of child pornography and a similar case unfolding in France involving a priest who abused a minor.

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Vatican Scandal: Father Carlo Capella’s Reinstatement

Timestamp [00:27] - [16:14]

Liz Yore provides an in-depth analysis of Father Carlo Capella's case. Father Capella, an ordained priest from the Archdiocese of Milan, was part of the Vatican's diplomatic corps assigned to the prestigious U.S. Embassy in Washington, D.C. In 2017, during a Christmas vacation in Windsor, Ontario, he was arrested by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police on charges of possession and distribution of child pornography, with over 40 illicit images and videos found on his computer.

Despite the severity of his crimes, Father Capella was convicted by the Vatican criminal court, receiving a five-year sentence and a fine. Remarkably, after serving his time, he was reinstated to the Vatican's Secretariat of State, specifically the second section responsible for international relations.

Notable Quotes:

• Liz Yore [03:21]: "The Vatican charged him and they have a criminal court... he was found to have more than 40 criminal images and videos which he shared on social media."
• Ben Harnwell [05:56]: "Possession and distribution. Right. There's no generous interpretation one can give."
• Liz Yore [08:56]: "This is really emblematic of... the rules for some, but not for me. It is shocking to me."

Key Points:

• Diplomatic Immunity Controversy: The U.S. State Department requested the Vatican to waive Father Capella’s diplomatic immunity, but the Vatican declined, allowing him to flee to Rome. Ultimately, he was convicted but then reinstated, raising questions about preferential treatment.

• Church Response: The Vatican’s statements downplaying the severity of his crimes and promoting his reinstatement suggest a troubling pattern of prioritizing institutional reputation over justice for victims.

• Lack of Accountability: Father Capella was not laicized and returned to a significant diplomatic role, indicating potential internal favoritism and inadequate punitive measures against offenders.

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French Diocesan Scandal: Bishop Gerard and Father Spina

Timestamp [18:49] - [26:17]

Frank Walker discusses the ongoing scandal in France, where Bishop Gerard of the Vivier Diocese has taken unexpected steps to correct the actions of his predecessor in Toulouse. The previous bishop had promoted a priest, Father Spina, to the position of Chancellor despite Father Spina’s history of sexually abusing a 16-year-old boy over several years.

Notable Quotes:

• Frank Walker [18:49]: "This is how it was always dealt with in the past. So we have a lavender mafia, and that's why they're so careless..."
• Ben Harnwell [24:58]: "Do you think there's a Vatican secret protocol here on the rehabilitation of priests who’ve been convicted of some kind of sexual offense?"

Key Points:

• Fraternal Correction: Bishop Gerard issued a fraternal correction, a Catholic practice intended to morally guide and correct fellow clergy, but it falls short in addressing serious crimes adequately.

• Reintegration of Abusers: Father Spina, a convicted abuser, not only remained active within the diocese but was also granted significant authority, echoing the Vatican’s actions in Father Capella’s case.

• Systemic Issues: Both cases highlight a systemic failure within the Catholic Church to appropriately punish and prevent abusers from holding positions of power, perpetuating a cycle of abuse and impunity.

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Analysis and Insights

Timestamp [26:17] - [37:34]

The episode features critical analysis from Liz Yore and Frank Walker, who draw parallels between the Vatican’s and French Church’s handling of abuse cases. They argue that these actions reflect a broader issue of institutional favoritism and a failure to protect victims.

Notable Quotes:

• Liz Yore [10:07]: "This to me shows the Vatican is not taking these crimes seriously."
• Frank Walker [35:43]: "They have absolutely no remorse... They don't understand justice at all, especially for people who are guilty of these sorts of crimes."

Key Points:

• Normalization of Abuse: The restoration and promotion of convicted criminals within the Church suggest an alarming trend towards normalizing abuse rather than addressing it.

• Lack of Remorse: Church officials involved in these cases exhibit no genuine remorse or commitment to justice, undermining trust among the faithful.

• Call for Accountability: The commentators urge for Pope Leo to take decisive action against such offenders, advocating for their removal from any ecclesiastical positions.

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Switzerland’s Alarming Elderly Suicide Rates

Timestamp [43:51] - [49:59]

Jenny Holland shifts the discussion to Switzerland, a nation often hailed for its progressive stance, revealing a disturbing fourfold increase in suicide rates among individuals over 85 years old. This surge is attributed to the liberal policies surrounding assisted suicide, which have led to its misuse as a means of eliminating elderly individuals deemed burdensome.

Notable Quotes:

• Jenny Holland [43:51]: "The message being sent to women, elderly women, is they have no place in society... they should kill themselves."
• Ben Harnwell [47:43]: "This is not the proper order of things in any way."

Key Points:

• Assisted Suicide Misuse: Switzerland's liberal assisted suicide laws have resulted in euthanasia being increasingly used by elderly women suffering from depressive disorders rather than terminal illnesses.

• Cultural Implications: The rise in suicide rates signifies a societal failure to value and support the elderly, posing a grave warning for other nations considering similar policies.

• Moral and Ethical Concerns: The episode underscores the ethical dilemma of balancing personal autonomy with societal responsibility, emphasizing the need for stricter regulations to prevent abuse.

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Conclusion and Call to Action

The episode concludes with a stark warning about the potential implications of these scandals and societal trends:

• Vatican Accountability: The reintegration of convicted abusers signals a need for global attention and reform within the Catholic Church to prioritize justice and protect the vulnerable.

• Societal Responsibility: The alarming suicide rates among Switzerland's elderly serve as a cautionary tale for the United States and other nations contemplating or implementing assisted suicide laws.

Final Thoughts: Stephen K. Bannon and his panel of experts emphasize the urgency of addressing these deeply ingrained issues, advocating for systemic change to prevent further injustice and societal harm.

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Notable Quotes from the Episode:

• Steve Bannon [00:03]: "This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people."

• Ben Harnwell [00:25]: "MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul."

• Liz Yore [05:56]: "The Vatican criminal court convicted him. He pled actually guilty, I believe..."

• Frank Walker [35:43]: "They have absolutely no remorse... They don't understand justice at all."

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This episode of Bannon’s War Room sheds light on critical issues within the Catholic Church and societal policies in Switzerland, urging listeners to recognize and respond to these challenges proactively.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Ben Harnwell]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Ben Harnwell]

MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[Steve Bannon]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Frank Walker]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Ben Harnwell]

Good evening, Harnwell. Here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. It's that little corner of the week when we get to dig into the developments in the Catholic, Protestant and even occasionally Orthodox spheres, bringing to you all these things that you that mean a lot to you, to your daily lives, your spiritual lives, but that which other news organizations tend not to touch. And if they touch it, they don't dig into it. Folks, you remember last week we discussed, Gus, the horror story coming out of France where a priest who had been in prison for four years for repeatedly raping a 16 year old boy had been promoted to the number three position in the diocese. He was made Chancellor. That's caused a lot of consternation in France. Frank Walker will be up a little later on the show with the developments on that story. We've also got something that will interest especially, I hope, the left, the political left of the spectrum, which likes to go on and on about the fact that Europe is so much more civilized than the United States. Well, here's the very heart of geographical Europe, Switzerland, considered by many to be the exemplar of continental Europe. Horror story coming out of Switzerland where the over 85s have seen a fourfold increase in the suicide rates there. And we'll be discussing what that might mean also for the United States as well. I'll be talking a little later on in the show about the maneuvers in Washington State to get priests to break the seal of the confessional. But before that, here's an astonishing story detailing how a priest who had been imprisoned inside the Vatican, in a Vatican jail for I think four years for possessing huge amounts of pornography and specifically child pornography, has just been reinstated in his position in the Secretariat of State, specifically the second section which has the responsibility for the relations with the states. LIZ Your has the details on this. Liz. Liz, I know you've been following this closely. Tell me, is this as horrific as it sounds?

[Liz Yore]

It has been. You know, the Vatican is showing once again how tone deaf it is. Rules for the. But not for me. I mean, it is shocking to me. Full disclosure, my background in law enforcement was one of the things that I did was create the national cyber tip line, which allows Americans and people actually around the world to report child pornography and to hotline and we pass on those leads to law enforcement. We have here this Father Carlo Capella, who I remember this case very clearly in 2017, and I will give you kind of my insight from behind the scenes, not particularly about this case, but what this case is telling me. He was an ordained priest in the Archdiocese of Milan. He went into the diplomatic corps, which meant that he was part of the Secretary of State's office. And he was assigned to the most prestigious, one would argue, embassy, the US embassy, the Vatican nunjutor in. In Washington, D.C. this priest, Father Capella, went apparently in 2017 during a Christmas vacation to Canada. The Canadian officials, I presume it was the Royal Mounted Police, notified law enforcement and issued a nationwide arrest warrant for this cleric on charges of possession and distribution of child pornography. And when he was on vacation in Windsor, Ontario. This, to me is absolutely. This case is really emblematic of. We know here that there's a great problem with child pornography. Ian. In the clerical state. In 2013, the Vatican issued new, supposedly tougher guidelines. And so the U.S. state Department also notified the Holy See that there was this arrest warrant and asked the Holy See to waive a diplomatic immunity. They did not, and this priest fled to Rome. Fortunately, the Vatican charged him and they have a criminal court, as you know, Ben, in the Vatican, as well as a canonical court, he was found to have more than 40 criminal images and videos which he shared on social media. And.

[Ben Harnwell]

Liz, let me just stop you here. I need a clarification. Occasionally when people get investigated by the police for having dodgy images on their phone, it's something they may have received via WhatsApp or WhatsApp group. And of course, WhatsApp stores all the images that you receive automatically. So anyone adept at managing a phone will be able to go in there and they'll just scan and say, oh, look, there was this image there or that image there. This isn't. I just want to. I know you said this, that we're talking about 40 images here, but this isn't a case where anyone even giving the best will in the world can somewhat innocently say, oh look, I don't know who sent this to me. You know, I told them to stop doing it or what have you. This is, this is not only possession of images, but as you were just saying, just underline this point. Possession and distribution. Right. There's no generous interpretation one can give.

[Liz Yore]

To this child pornography. This computer of this priest came to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mountain Police. This was a computer that they were very concerned about by the, I would argue the amount of child pornography that was on and the nature of child pornography. I won't go into details, but the videos of child pornography are so horrendous and so vile and the victims in these cases, we argue in law enforcement that every time these videos are shared, these children are re victimized. And so arguably these children are re victimized for a lifetime millions of times around the world. Well, the Vatican criminal court convicted him. He pled actually guilty, I believe, and he received five years and a fine. He was allowed under. They could have given him up to 12 years. But know again, in reading this article, it was quite interesting. When he was sitting in jail after being convicted, he had several visitors from the Secretary of State's department and he was released. He was not laicized, unlike many priests. He was not, you know, sent out to pasture like, you know, many priests who want to say the Latin Mass. No, he was reinstated at the Secretary of State's office, the premier highly prominent diplomatic core in the Vatican, which to me is number one, rewarding bad behavior. And number two, the statements, Ben, coming out of the Vatican are just shocking. They wanted to give him mercy, show mercy to him. And you know, let me stop.

[Ben Harnwell]

Let, let, let, let, let, let me come in on this one. Right, because this is really the issue and I don't want to preempt the, the story that Frank's going to go into in more detail later on in the show. But have you noticed the language almost is word for word? Because I know you've also been studying the, the situation of the French. I think it's too lose the French Archdiocese. Have you noticed that the language here, in terms of the mercy is for word. Here's my question to you. Do you think studying these, these two cases specifically that there might be some kind of Vatican secret protocol here on the rehabilitation of priests who've been convicted of some kind of sexual offense in order how to bring them back to mainstream them, to normalize, if that would be the right word for this context. Because I'm curious about the similarity of the wording here in this case and the French case as well. And it's exactly what you're talking about here, about the mercy it is.

[Liz Yore]

And, you know, it's political favoritism. I think that's what's going on in the Vatican, that their favorites. And by the way, this priest was ordained by none other than Cardinal Martini, who was the founder of the Saint Gallen mafia, friend of Cardinal McCarrick. Obviously, this young priest was on a fast track in the diplomatic corps. And, you know, it is shocking to read the statements from the Vatican saying that these crimes were a bump in the road and that he was experiencing a period of fragility because he moved to the Washington embassy. I mean, he wasn't sent to Sudan. He wasn't sent to Nigeria or Yemen. He was sent to the most prestigious embassy in the world. It is shocking to me that once again, Ben, the victims are ignored. And here was really a teaching moment for the church to talk about the dignity of children and the exploitation of the Internet and by people. And my reading of this story, in my opinion, there was a tremendous amount of child pornography on his computer. So much so that the US And Canada both were demanding action and that this priest submit himself to jurisdiction in the United States. You know, this. This was a serious case of child pornography. And yet. And yet what did we see? You know, basically his. The Vatican, you know, said his hands are. Our hands are washed. We're putting him back. Because after all, where is he going? What is he going to do? Well, we know of bishops and priests in America who've done nothing wrong and have been sent out to pasture with no kind of mercy just because they love the Latin Mass, right? And yet here, a man who violated the innocence of children by not only downloading child pornography, but sharing it, sharing it around the world. I mean, just imagine. And they want to say, oh, bump in the road of his clerical career. And back he's back in charge, writing speeches for the Vatican Secretary of State and doing the important work. And, you know, a person like that in a place where they're assigning priests all over the world as diplomats. I mean, this to me shows the Vatican is not taking these crimes seriously. After 50 years, they, you know, this is an issue that they should be sounding the alarm. And yet again, they demonstrate that they're tone deaf and that they are not going to protect children. So it's to me, we. To me, let's see what Leo does with this case. Right? Let's see what Pope Leo Sends, you know, looks at this case and puts this guy out to pastor. He does not belong in the church. He can go to a monastery as a, as civilian and pray for the rest of his life and do penance. But this man should not wear a Roman collar.

[Ben Harnwell]

That's pretty much what Benedict imposed on Marcel Masil, wasn't it? Have I mixed that up in my memory? Look, my final question to you on this, because then we have to move on. But you mentioned back in, under, in 2020, 2017, when this case first arose, that the U.S. it's going to be the Trump administration, right. The first Trump administration asked the Vatican to lift the diplomatic immunity on this guy who was basically, who was a full, fully fledged diplomatic official working for the, for the nunciature, for the nuncio, who must have been Vigano at that time, I think, 2017. And the Vatican refused. They declined to waive diplomatic immunity. Let me just ask you a quick question, right? Give me one minute on this. Do you think there's any possibility this guy holds complement on, on it, on, on. On looking at how quick his unorthodox his reintegration has been back within the Secretariat of State? Do you think he might have something on his files that gives him an easier negotiating hand?

[Liz Yore]

Well, one is left with that impression, aren't they? In fact, I don't think Vigano. Vigano, I think, was gone by then. If I'm not mistaken, he was let go by Pope Francis. This was under Pope Francis. And you know, any other pope would have said, yes, he should submit himself to the jurisdiction of the United States for investigation and punishment. But this guy was really fast tracked, even through his criminal investigation and the Vatican and the fact that they didn't layicize him when the laws and norms in the Vatican passed in 2013 provided for that. So you're left with the impression, oh, he is one of the favored ones and we are going to exercise mercy instead of judgment on this guy. And so nothing's changed. And to me, this sends a loud and clear message not only to, you know, the Vatican, to all those priests that are violating these laws, but also to the people in the pews that we have to demand justice and a change in, in the attitude towards these sexual crimes, which are horrendous, in which, you know, they say, oh, well, there was no contact with children. Not on the computer, there wasn't by this priest, but on the computer you would see these children being assaulted by other people.

[Ben Harnwell]

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[Frank Walker]

Well, I think, yeah, in terms of morality, it's when you correct somebody for doing something immoral and you do it in love, even though it's critical. And, you know, it's just a way to remind us that you're trying to help this person overcome his sins and get to heaven. So that's what a fraternal correction is. And this priest, I mean, this bishop, Bishop Gerard from the Vivier diocese, has corrected the Toulouse bishop who is the one with this chancellor who is still a priest after many, many years of public outcry and prison over forcibly raping a teenage boy. And now he and he, you know, before that he was vocations director. He worked on children's Ministry after these things became known. And then he was moved to an important position in this diocese. He was already before this Toulouse bishop was there. The previous one had him as vice chancellor. This guy just moved him up. But I think it's become especially famous because he's been so careless, this bishop of Toulouse has been so careless about talking about the mercy. What are we supposed to do with them? How can he move forward? He's like. It's like a death sentence if we just don't let him continue to be a monsignor and be an important advisor to the diocese. So this bishop has, from Vivier has intervened and said, I don't think that the priests and the faithful understand all this, what you call mercy. What happened to mercy for the victims? And it's only been a month since he's been appointed to this position. Maybe perhaps we'll see some movement on this that he'll, you know, retract what he's actually saying because he hasn't really quite done that yet. He's just continued to make these kinds of bleeding Francis mercy statements. And you know, it's a way to see what is a lavender mafia. There's a report that says this victim of Father Spina is the name of the guy himself. Tried to get in the seminary many times, but they screened him out, they would not let him get near it. And he's also victimized. Somebody is accused of showing pornography to other young, young to children and attacking a 14 year old woman. So it's just a, it's a whole generational problem in the church.

[Ben Harnwell]

Frank, repeat that. Just, just zoom out and repeat what you've just said. The victim here, this, this guy who was 16 years old, I think back in 93, 94, when he was repeatedly raped by the. By Father Spina, the victim has now, if I've understood this correctly, as a teacher, he did go into the seminary, if I'm not mistaken, but. But was refused. So he's now a teacher. Tell correct me if I've got this wrong. And he himself, the victim, the guy who, who had his life turned upside down by this Catholic priest who's now number three, number two or number three in the Toulouse and diocese, this victim become an adult, become a teacher, has now perpetrated the same category of crimes. I don't think, I don't know if he's, if he's actually. No, there are accusations, I think that he was, that he was molesting a young girl. Right. Frank, just tell me something. I had a different Question for you, but seeing as you raise this, tell me something. Does that not make Father Spina's crimes worse in a. In effect, because what he did to this young kid, in a sense, has so ruined him, as so often happens in cases of sexual abuse of children, that he himself is now within this paradigm of, of child sex abuse and he's repeating the offense. Doesn't that make. Doesn't that sort of make the crimes even more grave with regards to Father Spina?

[Frank Walker]

It does. It does. It was already a very grave crime anyway. And it also speaks to what are we dealing with in terms of this culture, of the culture of abused victims trying to become priests, becoming abuser priests, and then becoming protector bishops, like this bishop in Toulouse, who's a nice picture of him, tandem hang gliding and all of this mercy and everything. There's a ratting out of each other at all different levels of the generational lavender mafia church. And then there's also this strong desire from the pope, from Francis and Leo, I think, on down, to try to normalize it, to try to make everyone else think that this is okay, look the other way because of mercy. So I think there's two things that are coming out here, and you can see it played out. And Benedict had the right idea. People with homosexual tendencies should not be part of the priesthood. And if you want to know why, just look at this situation. I mean, no, not every homosexuals are guilty of all these crimes. But how do you separate? How do you prevent it? You have to go back to the baseline, which is what is the Catholic teaching? What is it that's required? Because this isn't the first time in our time that this kind of thing has become a problem among priests and bishops. It's been quite a while. And this is how it was always dealt with in the past. So we have a ladner mafia, and that's why they're so careless and completely toned down. And it goes all the way up to the level. And what will Leo do about this? Well, Francis protected all sorts of people. He protected Rutnik. He protected the guy, the head of the Vatican Bank, Monsignorica Gustavo Zancara. Why do the popes not do anything? Why do they just let. I mean, look at the guy who's ahead of the CDF right now, Kissy Fernandez and his gay blessings. They're making it worse. They're not dealing with it at all. And especially when it comes to the Pope, because this guy's not metropolitan, who's fraternally corrected this bishop of Toulouse. This has been something that they planned out. We're going to have a minor guy make a correction. But where's the Archbishop of Paris? What are they going to actually do about this?

[Ben Harnwell]

Let me ask you this because I see a huge parallel between the story here in France and the one about the reintegration of this guy Father Capella in the Vatican. They seem basically identical to me, more or less. Let me ask you the question. Let me throw at you the same question that I asked Liz your. And you've got like a minute before we hit the break. Perhaps we'll come back to you afterwards. Given, I mean first of all, do you see a similarity between the phraseology being used to defend the appointment to this guy as chancellor, same phraseology, right. As to what they're using to defend this, this guy in the Vatican being integrated back into the Secretary of State, do you, when you see this basically the same word for word being used in two very similar cases, do you get suspicious that there might be a secret protocol in the Vatican for bishops to use in the part of the. Let's use that, let's stay on that word of normalization of reintegrating people who really should no longer be in the priesthood? Do you think there is what I'm asking you specifically, do you think there's a Vatican direction here that laity don't know about, that they're depending on now to implement a new policy?

[Frank Walker]

Yes. They use certain words, they're carefully tested words. They have a new religion and so they use the same words over and over again. And that's why you see consistency right across the board. The nuncio, the guy who worked for the Secretary of State, he was rehabilitated by Archbishop Gallagher according to that story. He was a very important high level bishop. It's just like all of the doctrinal goals that they have here. They have the same goal. I think they have a goal of normalizing this and they're using these perv charges, these charges to make that happen, you know, and it's only in the lavender mafia. There's a bishop, a Latin mass.

[Steve Bannon]

Frank, hold on.

[Ben Harnwell]

We'll be back in two minutes. We'll continue this point in two minutes after the break.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Ben Harnwell]

Welcome back. Frank, why don't you continue the point that you were making before the break and then I'm going to ask you this question, integrate it into your response. Okay. In this case here, in the story that we're discussing specifically about the, the nomination of this convicted child rapist to the number three position of Toulouse. And just for the record, it goes like this in a diocese, in a Catholic diocese, Bishop in as number one, vicar general in as number two, and then the chancellor of the diocese in at number three. Normally that's, that's the convention. So the, the reintegration of this guy. Here's a question I have for you, Frank, and it was a question I would, I could have also asked Liz, your discussing the, the similar case in the Vatican. Why has there been zero reference from any of the people defending these two reintegrations of the need, zero reference of the need to avoid scandal here towards the faithful, the laity, no reference to scandal whatsoever. What do you make of that, Frank?

[Frank Walker]

Well, because I don't think they, I think that they really don't have remorse for what they're doing. This is a practical problem to them. The bishop of Toulouse says these victims, they need to stop thinking of themselves as victims so much. They're more than just victims. They don't have, they don't think like most people think. There's a huge gap between them and Catholics, between them and regular decent people. And I think that's why they don't talk about the scandal at all. This bishop from the other diocese with the, making the correction, he said, I don't think that people understand that you need to have mercy on the victims. Too. And the public, they don't understand it. But he didn't really elaborate on it. But I think that it's hard for us to understand the way this network of bishops and priests and victims that are part of it, the way that they think about these things. We need to change, according to them, we need to change the way we think. We're rubes. We are holding on to this silly old Catholic doctrine. They don't have that problem because of the mercy. Yeah.

[Ben Harnwell]

You know, once you start off on the position of modernism and redefining the Catholic faith, it's like a typical revolution. It builds a momentum of its own. Look at this quote here, that the bishop here of Toulouse, the guy who reintegrated the. This convicted child rapist as chancellor of the Diocese De Kerry Mel. He's Bishop de Keri Mel. He defended this appointment, saying that not to show mercy is to lock the abuser into a social death. It is to re. Establish a form of death penalty. And that's a very strange formulation of words. It's a very strange, strange formulation of ideas as well. Because from one perspective, from, from my point of view, I'm sure from your point of view, I'm sure from this yours point of view, the death penalty is not only licit under Catholic theology, it's actually obligatory, as it were, in. In certain category of cases, not to. Not to execute justice for the state. Not to execute justice is a form of injustice. And of course it has direct warrant from the words of God himself back in Genesis. Right. Basically, who spills the blood of man by man, his blood must also be spilled. And that's pre Mosaic. So don't start bombarding me, liberal Catholics with the idea that Jesus Christ has rewritten the Mosaic law. This is pre Moses right back in the beginning of Genesis. Let's look at those words again. Not to show mercy is to lock the abuser into a social death. It is to re. Establish a form of death penalty. Do you have any observations on that? As a justification for reintegrating a convicted child rapist as the number three in the diocese? Just give me your take on that.

[Frank Walker]

That they have absolutely no remorse. They have no. They don't understand the conception of justice. They call justice a social death when everybody else. They need that social death to happen. That person brought that social death on himself. Please, can we please have some social death? That's what's really needed. But for him to say that. And you're right, those are tried and tested words. It sounds exactly like Pope Francis Francis loved to visit prisons, and every time he went to a prison, he would say, you know, I could be here just as easily as anybody else. And, you know, people are like, well, I believe you. But yeah, the guy is completely clueless about what the regular people need. He doesn't understand justice at all, especially for people who are guilty of these sorts of crimes.

[Ben Harnwell]

Yeah, it's a shocking story, and I'm sure that we're going to have further developments on this, which we'll be bringing to the war room posse as time goes on. Just one final reaction from me on this, and then we're going to Jenny, because I know she's got a few points she wants to say. You say that they have no remorse. You know, the kind of person, the kind of psychological profile a person has, not to have any remorse whatsoever. Sociopaths, psychopaths. Right. They're very much concerned. Confirms my own thesis that the Vatican, certainly under Pope Francis, is basically been taken over not simply by modernists, but by a bunch of clinical sociopaths. Standby, Frank, we'll come back to you a little later on in the show. Jenny, I know you've got some observations to both of these stories. Do you want to tie them together? What do you have for us?

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah, thanks, Ben. I really want to stress the broader context of these two very upsetting stories, and that is that our age will be defined by the over sexualization or the sexualization of children, especially in digital spaces, and also extreme. A culture of extreme promiscuity among young people. And both of these things have done enormous psychic and spiritual and emotional and even economic harm to two generations of people. And in that context, what would you be. What. What are you doing if. If the very institution that is supposed to be offering moral authority and a place of salvation is actually the. Yet another snake pit of the very type of sin that you have been damaged by and you are seeking refuge from. I mean, this is, on a spiritual level, an exponentially worse crime than even the criminal level, which is obviously very bad. If I were a mother of a child who is suffering either having been exposed to extreme pornography or God forbid, having been harmed directly by a molester or just is confused in this culture of excess that young people live in today, I would have deep, deep qualms about referring that child to a priest at this point, after listening to these two stories. And I had hoped that given the terrible scandals of the last many decades, frankly, that they would have learned their lesson, and that seems to be not the case at all. In fact, if anything, they're doing the opposite and they're taking this tackle, trying to win over the youth by participating in a sort of benign form of youth culture. And I was just reading something recently in the Guardian about these sort of hip, trendy priests who have big Instagram accounts and they're always talking about love. And this is the thing that I find interesting. And it goes back to a bit of what we were talking about last week about the incorruptible, soon to be Saint Pier Giorgio. It's always about love. And that's well and good. But what exactly do they mean by that? If the. If. If it's not grounded in morality and it's certainly not grounded in scripture, Never have I come across in all of these stories I have read any priest, any, any sort of elite, hierarchical member of the church giving a scriptural argument or answer to these terrible crimes.

[Ben Harnwell]

What you were mentioning just in the earlier part of your remarks, Jenny, and I'm glad you did, because it gives me the opportunity just to throw in just what one of the, One of the few words in Greek I actually know. Toscandalon to Scandalon. Obviously we take in English as scandal. And Toscandalon is a stumbling block, as many people who've studied a little bit of scripture will know. Stumbling block. It is something that we obviously Christians are to avoid because it is putting an obstacle in the. In the path of others towards their journey in faith. And that's why, you know the question I asked Frank Walker as well, why is there no reference difference in any of what they're doing to scandal? It's because it's a concept that they have, would have absolutely no words, words to rebut their actions with. Because what they're doing is scandalous in that sense of the word. It is actually putting obstacles in people's paths and teaching them, if that's the right word, teaching the laity not to trust the Catholic Church. Jenny, hold on, because I know you're gonna break down this story coming out of Switzerland in a moment. Just quickly go back to one of our sponsors, Birch Gold. One of the best ways to look after your savings is through diversification, particularly with gold from our trusted friends at Birch Gold Group. In the past 12 months, the value of gold has increased by 40%. Central banks continue to bolster demand for gold by buying in record quantities. Global instability and tension are the highest that they've been in decades. Birch Gold makes owning physical gold extremely easy. And you can easily convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold or buy some to store in your home safe. Just text Bannon to the number 989-898 and Birchgold will send you a free info kit on gold. There's no obligation, only useful information. Text the word Bannon B A N N o N to 989-898. So let's go in the closing 10 minutes of the show to the geographical heart of continental Europe, Switzerland, not a million miles away from where you are right now, Jenny, held as a beacon for many progressives around the world, certainly in the United States. And yet their treatment of the elderly is something I think of a warning. Right four fold increase in the suicide rate of over 85 year olds. What would firstly tell us a bit about what's happened in Switzerland and then give us your warning of what will happen for the United States if, if the Democrats and the progressive voices have their way in legalizing assisted suicide.

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Of course. Switzerland is famous the world over for being this ultra liberal humanist place and has long had very lax or not really any laws at all surrounding suicide and helping people commit suicide. And it's, you know, for years it was the place where, you know, if you were given a terrible diagnosis of a degenerative fatal condition, it was always presented as this very humane alternative where you could go and your family could go with you and be spared the terrible degradation of the body in the process of dying. Well, lo and behold, we now see that. Be that as it may, what's actually happening is that they are killing large, ever larger numbers of elderly people and specifically elderly women. And I think that the headline in the number in the headline is the absolute standout number that since 2003 there's been an 825,000% increase in assisted suicides being meted out to Swiss citizens. And it is increasingly elderly that are undergoing this and it is increasingly women. So the message being sent to women, elderly women, is they have no place in society, they have no inherent value, they are a burden on everyone and therefore they should kill themselves. And if that's not a dystopian horror, I don't know what is.

[Ben Harnwell]

Jenny, let's pull that. Let me ask Denver if they could kindly pull that headline back. That's a higher figure than the one that my research had pulled up, which was the suicide rate for people over the age of 85 has quadrupled. Let's bring that headline back here that says assisted suicides are up 825% since 2003. Tell me a bit that's that 20, 20 years, right? That's absolutely. That really is a horror story. Just, just if you wouldn't mind, because I was unaware of this before doing my research for today's show. There is a difference between how men commit suicide and how women commit suicide. Right. Just tell us what that difference is.

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah.

[Ben Harnwell]

And then what the warning here specifically to women is with regards to the assisted suicide agenda.

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah. Well, in this article and I think a few others that I was reading before coming on to speak with you, the difference is largely that women tend to be diagnosed more often with psychiatric and depressive disorders and they therefore seek assisted dying for those disorders, which to me is really absolutely not what the original humane argument was for assisted dying, which was you are going to die soon anyway. Therefore, you know, there's an argument, there is a certain moral logic to that. But if you are depressed or if you are sad because you have lost a loved one, or if you have a mental illness, then having access to doctors that will kill you is an absolutely different matter altogether. And I don't understand how anyone can defend this practice. It is completely wrong. Obviously you shouldn't be able to gain access to a doctor who will kill you because of your feelings. This is not the proper order of things in any way.

[Ben Harnwell]

Let's just look at this one moment here. Am I right in suggesting that the difference, one of the differences, in addition to the one that you just mentioned, is the fact that men, when they commit suicide, tend to do it in the traditional fashion, Right? A loaded revolver or a noose in the loft or what have you. Let's say that men commit suicide in the unassisted fashion, the old fashioned way. Women, however, very rarely do that. And certainly, certainly in Switzerland where they have the choice, they almost exclusively opt for suicide in the assisted fashion, which is where they have help. There are people on hand, they kill themselves, but there are people on hand to make sure that it goes well, goes on.

[Jenny Holland]

And that makes sense. I mean, yeah, I mean, that makes sense in a sense, in the way that, you know, generalizing about women and men and the difference between them. I mean, women are very sociable creatures. Women seek consensus, women are collaborative, women want social approval. And you know, I suppose if you are, that if you're, if your mindset is already thinking that this is a, is an appropriate or a good thing to do, of course you're going to want some hand holding, you're going to want people to enable you and validate your choices. It's also a very modern phenomenon, isn't it, where we, we have to always have our, our mistakes celebrated and validated by others. I mean that's, that's what all of social media involves, right? So it doesn't surprise me at all that men to some degree are still sticking to the original way, which is, you know, also absolutely horrifying for a family. I mean I can't imagine anything worse really. And you know, they're, they're submitting themselves, they're doing this to themselves, they're doing physical harm to themselves in a way that requires some element of physical sort of bravery, although I don't want to put a positive spin on it. Whereas women are seeking the help of professionals because that's what we do and we're very into therapy culture and we want to sort of be patted on the head and told that this is okay. And it's absolutely not.

[Ben Harnwell]

Jenny Breaks my heart. That's all we've got time for. Where do people go on social media to keep up with your writings and your analysis?

[Jenny Holland]

Well, mostly on substack, which is jennyeholland.substack.com but as of yesterday I have a YouTube channel which is saving culture from.

[Ben Harnwell]

Itself on YouTube and that's a YouTube channel. And how do people find that?

[Jenny Holland]

Just pop in saving culture from itself into the YouTube search bar and my name and it should come up perfect.

[Ben Harnwell]

Jenny, Minnie, thanks. God willing. Catch you same time next week. Frank Walker, where do people go to keep up? Look, let me just ask you now will you put the links that we've mentioned if anyone listening to the show wants to do their own reading and research. What can they come to? Canon 212?

[Frank Walker]

Yes, they sure can. They'll be up on the right column and they'll be up at the top for a little while. Some of them, the Canon 212 type it into your address actually address itself there you see the, the, the Twitter and the X. Canon 21212 spelled out and the daily update is at Rumble and at Gloria TV and on Canon 212 you can see the link there too folks.

[Ben Harnwell]

Don't forget you've got to type it out in full because Frank Walker is being suppressed by Google's malicious algorithms. Frank, catch you same time next week. Thanks for coming on. Liz, your quickly, where do people go to keep up with your analysis on social media?

[Liz Yore]

On social media, Elizabeth, your my website is your children and I also have a substack.

[Ben Harnwell]

Elizabeth, Yore Liz, thanks very much. I didn't get chance to discuss my thing today about the FBI spying on an SSP SSPX priest perhaps I'll catch up with her with you that and we'll hit that together next week. My thanks to Cameron Wallace, our producer to the crack team in Denver. And for you, the viewer. Stay safe. Catch you same time next week. God bless.

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