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WarRoom Battleground EP 833: Unexpected Christian Resurgence In Secular UK As Belief In God Triples Among Youth To Almost 50%
WarRoom Battleground EP 833: Unexpected Christian Resurgence In Secular UK As Belief In God Triples Among Youth To Almost 50%...
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WAR Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Good evening, Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room and over the next hour we'll be going into some of the stories that are to do with the Christian faith, the living practice of the Christian faith and those who are trying to undermine it. Packed show for you today. Here are some things coming up. Frank Walker will be briefing us about the embrace of woke by Holy Pope Leo XIV with his welcoming for the first time ever of We Are Church, which is a radical, militant anti Catholic organization. They're being welcomed in full glory. We'll also be hearing from Jenny Holland who's got an amazing analysis of something of all people. CNN picked up earlier on in the week about an atheist basically converting to belief in God through his 33 years working as a hospice worker assisting people as they die. And he's talking about the deathbed presences, the angelic presence presences. Fascinating story. Jenny will be giving us the lowdown on that. And then back to Frank at the end of the show because you know, this is a humbug alert. This is what we're going to be thinking spoon fed mightily by the mainstream media and the Catholic mainstream media as they're telling us Pope Leo is returning to the Apostolic Palace. But first of all, we're going to be starting with some good news today, folks. And this is really just good news. This is absolutely astonishing news. And when I first saw this, I had a the difficulty to believe it. And this is figures from YouGov's biannual tracker which revealed that belief in God among 18 to 24 year olds, this is the UK we're talking about, has almost tripled in only three and a half years, rising from 16% in August 2021 to 45% in January 2025. That's just a little less than half now of 18 to 24 year olds, but in God, huge turnaround in such a very short period of time. Jenny Holland has the details. Jenny, good evening. Welcome back on to the show. Tell me about this. What was your first reaction to this? And break it down. Tell us exactly what is going on. Because many people have lost hope in the UK thinking it is unsalvageable. If it is salvageable, it's only going to be through faith in Jesus Christ. And something seems to be aflame. Tell us what it is.
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It's certainly going to be through these young people if this YouGov poll proves correct, which I hope it does. I was staggered to read these numbers earlier when you sent me the link. So like you said, 45% of 18 to 24 year olds are reporting going to church on Sundays and that's up from 16% in 2021. So not even that long ago. Church attendance Overall is up 56% in Church of England churches and men among men in 18 and 24. And there's obviously been a ton of talk about how men are much more becoming much more conservative, young men are more conservative than their female counterparts. And this somewhat bears it out in that according to the poll, one in five men between 18 and 24 is now going to church. Staggering, staggering numbers. And women have increased greatly from up from 3%, a mere 3% to 12, which all of this means that now the 18 to 24 year olds are, and I hope everyone's sitting down in the audience, the second most likely group to attend church in England. So absolutely stunning numbers. The, the numbers of Catholics or people self reporting as Catholics going to church are also up. And Bible sales have doubled since 2019, all according to this YouGov poll. I'm absolutely astounded because I think since we've been doing this, Ben, I feel like every week or every other week I come on here and moan and despair at the Church of England and how it's become this sort of fusty woke bureaucratic organization. So this is a very much a counter to that and I would be fascinated to see how it plays out. I also want to say, say like one other important thing, Jenny, let me.
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Just stop you there. This renaissance that seems to be taking place across the UK and for our American audience, it's difficult to underline just how atheist and secular the contemporary British mindset is far, far more so than anything you'll find in America. Is this renaissance taking place because of the Church of England? Liberal bishops, liberal pastors, in the Church of England and of course in the Catholic Church or in spite of their attempts to undermine the faith. What do you think about that?
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My personal opinion is that it's very much despite that and not because of and even the, there's a sort of head of networks in the Church of England who was quoted in the piece urges her own church to recognize this opportunity and sort of meet these young people where they're at. I mean the reality is my understanding was that congregants in the church before this were quite old and the, so the bureaucracy would be fairly, they would reflect that to some degree. Maybe these young people can inject some new spirit and actual scripture into the organization. I think what's really interesting though is that these stories are popping up whilst in the background we have governments making a concerted effort to portray ordinary God fearing Christians as a far right menace, which we all know was done under the Biden administration. But just earlier in the month there was a report by a European parliamentary group on sexual and reproductive rights that specifically called out religious people as a far right threat to democracy. And also it was reported earlier this week, but I don't know, it's been on there for some time. The UK's Prevent program, which is their, supposedly their terrorism or counterterrorism training program where people can go and be deprogrammed from jihadism, has turned its sights, surprise, surprise on ordinary English people and has listed cultural nationalism. So cultural nationalism is listed on Prevent on their website site as a extreme right wing terrorist ideology. And so this is very interesting to me that on the one hand you have this bureaucracy, both British and European, that is insistent and in a very concerted and very dark way, constantly going back to try and convince people that people who pray on Sundays in churches across Europe are an actual terrorist threat. And you on the other side, apparently you have these shocking numbers of young people saying actually no, I need to find the spiritual fulfillment and I'm going to go to my local church to get it. So you tell me Ben, I mean, do you think they're connected? I mean I certainly do. I certainly do.
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I think they are connected. And I want to bring Frank Walker in just in a moment. But before I do, let me ask you this other question, Jenny. The report notes that hostility and apathy to Christianity seen among older generations are being replaced by openness in Generation Z. I'll use the American terminology here, Generation Z, Brits would say correctly, Generation Z. But as a concession to our largely American audience, Generation Z. Just give Me your reading here on this, if you wouldn't mind. Is there a possibility here, and this is something that we've mentioned on the War Room quite a few times over, over the years, but might this be a case of the natural rebelliousness of youth rebelling against the woke superstructure here and the insistence, the individuality, the insistence on individuality of kids that every generation seems to produce, at least since the Second World War. But that, that, that get, that desire to go against the prevailing is that might be something that we're seeing here. And people are consciously, kids are consciously rejecting this woke superstructure, this ideology, and consciously going against it.
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I definitely think that's part of it. I think that corporations and adult society, like school curricula, advertising everything that was associated with the man, as they might have said in the 60s, became woke and virulently so and really over in very over the top ways, like with men in little dresses pretending to be women drinking Bud Light, just to name one example. And in the uk it's the same. It's, it's everywhere you look. It's trans this and trans that. And it's, it's, it's very, very politicized. The common square, the common discourse, the public square is very political politicized, but only in this one particular way. It's definitely the state messaging. And that is cringe. That is embarrassing. If you're a young person who wants to rebel, you don't want to have anything to do with Nike or Bud Light or whatever government agency is putting out some embarrassing NAF leaflets about how men can have babies too. You know, that's not true. And it's really like the emperor has no clothes. I also think, however, that the dating culture in the uk, much like in the States, but it might even be more so. There's a culture of extreme promiscuity, at least as is portrayed in popular culture. Popular culture here, television shows and the like are extremely crass and extremely explicit. And I think that young people are having a very natural and healthy reaction against that. There was a case recently of a woman who has become infamous for betting, shall we say a thousand men in one 24 hour period. And this is a British, an English woman and she's plastered all over the media. Channel 4, just a documentary about her. I mean, this is a huge turnoff to young people, actually. They really are. It's grotesque.
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That's Bonnie Blue. I think you're, you're referring to. You see, I, I know something about popular culture. It's my paid job I, you know, I have to look at about 800, 850 articles every day, normally in the international news circuit. But Bonnie Blue even breaks it out into the international news. What can I say, Frank? Frank, I, and that's the only reason, by the way, I, I know who this person is. I don't have an OnlyFans account. I can, I can, I, I can hear this. I can hear the sigh of, the sigh of regrets coming, coming out from the war room. Walker, let me ask you something here, if I may, on this question. Do you think, in addition to my question to Jenny just a moment or so ago about this, the youthful tendency to rebel against whatever the prevailing culture is being now so, the prevailing culture being now so dominantly liberal, it's actually giving an opportunity to rebel against that consciously and along a more conservative bend. But let me ask you this. In addition to the woke superstructure in the dominating the culture in the uk, there is also the presence of Islam. Do you think what we're seeing here to some extent is young kids trying to find not only their individual identity, but also their cultural collective identity and self consciously saying, look, we're not Islamic. That's not the tradition of our people. We're historically a Christian people and going out and making that connection that was lost by their parents and grandparents.
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But it's, it's part of all the other tyrannies, the Islamic oppression in the uk, it's part of a lot of tyrannies. And I think it's, I think that not only are they rebellious by nature, but they have real reasons to say this is all hit a dead end, this is going nowhere.
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Now.
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There are a lot young people in that age group. Their lives are hard. A lot of the time is hopeless. I think it's, I think half the people in their, in their 30s or under 30 are unmarried. They just, they work. But they realize, and in this piece here, they said that, you know, our parents, our parents didn't have any religion to teach. This is like a third generation. It's only the old people. So they want to try something new. They're not really rebelling against their parents. They're rebelling against society that has left them so unhappy. And I think that's what's driving, I mean, it doesn't mention in here what's actually driving it, but what concerns me is that they're going into mainline churches that we have been in as young as youth, and we know that those churches will turn them right around and throw them out. They're hopeful But, Jenny, like you've mentioned, maybe their spirit will be, you know, help to drive a change in these mainline churches. That's what I'm hoping. I don't, you know, you know, it also says that this, a lot of it is immigration. And here in the States, we have a piece, it's all post Covid, and so is this big post Covid growth in new conversions to Catholicism. But it really also is completely in line with the immigration that happened in the last few years in this country. So, you know, it doesn't really say what the, what the reasons are. And I wish that they tell us why this is happening, this phenomenon. And I hope that they can find actual churches to go to that will help their lives be better.
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Yeah. And as you're saying, when kids step over the threshold, which is a big thing to do if you're in church, step over the threshold into a church for the first time. Let's pray, hope and pray that they actually receive something of the substance of the Christian faith rather than just liberal, socialist, progressive, communist, syncretic platitudes, which are the plate of the day in far too many churches. Frank, standby, because we're going to stay on the theme actually of this and talk about the infiltration of LGBT in the Vatican, which is continuing apace. But before we do that, quick word recall to one of our sponsors, Birchgold, by reminding ourselves that since Trump was sworn in, his administration has a ma, has made enormous progress at a breakneck pace. But don't forget, while they're moving mountains for the good of the nation, they can't also take your personal savings into account. You have to do that. Just text Bannon to the number 989-898 and Birchgold will send you a free info kit on gold. There's no obligation, only useful information with an A rating. With a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers take control of your savings today. Philip Patrick, they're waiting for your call. Text Bannon to 989-898. And did you know scammers can literally steal your home? The FBI calls this house stealing criminals. Forge one document, fake a notary stamp, pay a small fee, and suddenly your title is gone. They can take out loans on your equity and even sell your house out from under you. And you won't know until the foreclosure notice arrives. When was the last time you checked your home title? If you're like me, never. And that's exactly what they're counting on. So go to hometitlelock.com and use promo code Steve for a free 14 day trial. That's hometitlelock.com promo code Steve. Protect your home and your peace of mind today. So Frank Walker, there's this incredibly heterodox organization that had been creating great damage to the Catholic church since the 90s called We Are Church. And they are now being invited in what the Vatican says in this form for the first time during these celebrations in October for the jubilee as launched by Pope Francis. Now what this means is to say that they're being invited in this form. It means that they're being publicly invited as we are church. And this is really the buried lead in this because as will emerge as we discuss this in more detail, they have actually been involved since the 90s, off the radar in a non organizational capacity, infiltrating themselves and undermining the Catholic agenda. Tell us a bit if you wouldn't mind, Frank. Firstly, because no greater observer than these things than you. What is this organization and what was your reaction to the fact that they are now being welcomed brazenly with open arms by the new Vatican regime?
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It should be a message that I really hope gets out there because they continue to talk about Pope Leo. You know, today Cardinal Berkenstein, he's so Christocentric or whatever that's supposed to mean. All the Catholic press, all the former faithful press is pushing Leo. He's so faithful, he's so different. And here he is meeting with these what they call dinosaurs, people who are interested in really undermining the doctrine of the Church in the jubilee of synodal teams. I didn't know they had a jubilee of synodal teams. So not only are they in this holy jubilee, but they're also representing synods, which is, you know, an opportunity for them to infiltrate and screw up doctrine and screw up practice. And under the guise of a democratic process, they're going to be meeting with Leo. They don't say how long they're going to meet with them, but they're going to go through that holy door. Remember when Francis. Because that's the jubilee door and Francis sort of co opted the holy door to be a door of mercy. So it's sort of like a fake sacrament. You walk under the door and all of a sudden your sins are all forgiven and every and you're absolved and you're on your way to heaven. They're very excited this way, our church co founder said about being able to go through this holy door. But like you said in the past, they've Done synods, they've been at papal conclaves, or at least on the sidelines. They've done a lot of stuff with the church already.
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Frank Walker, you very bravely, as did the war room, within the first moment that Pope Leo emerged on the loggia, you very bravely said, beware, folks, this is most likely to be Pope Francis 2.0. Does this confirm that thesis? That's my first question to you. And my second question is, all of the professional trad Catholics, Tradinc use this platform here on the show today. Call them out and say to them, what are you looking at from them on this kind of development? They have a reach in the Catholic Church as well. Are you expecting them just to keep this under the sand, carry on talking about Leo being someone we can work with. Let's not judge him too quickly. Call them out on this. What can they do to insist on orthodoxy?
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This is exactly Francis 2.0 because it's a scandal. It's a terrific scandal. It's an official meeting with Leo. And the point is they're very happy about to be invited to it, that they want to correct the mistakes of the past. And what is the Church if it's not the opposite of scandal? The Church is supposed to encourage people to live good lives and go to heaven. What this is doing, what Pope Leo is doing here also through the synod in this is to encourage people to. To lead bad lives, to flout doctrine, to lift up heresy. This is the Pope that you're saying is the. Is the great new Pope, the great new savior of the Church. Everything is going back to normal. It's like, you know, Pope Benedict all over again. And I don't think that it is. I think that it's quite different. I think it's Francis just with better press, better pr. So I expect you people in the Catholic media, the trad Catholic media, the trad. Inc Media to just smooth this over, say that it doesn't count, ignore it, pretend that it didn't happen and find up a bunch of excuses to. To make it, make light of it. But really, I mean, it's integral to the synods. It's integral to what Leo is. And if you look at Leo, all Leo stories, it's all just like this. You know, he's at Castle Gandalfa. Oh, that's so. That's so traditional of him. But it's turned into a climate conference center and he uses it to promote that stuff. Always moving into the papal palace. But he's having converted into like this condo with all his buddies. You know, he pretends on the surface to be Catholic. Meanwhile, you can see here officially and there's also another gay group is having a pilgrimage. It's almost like a gay pride parade happening at this same jubilee event. And it's on the agenda. So what do you say?
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So you're, and we'll be discussing that the move back to the Apostolic palace just after the break. But you're quite firm about this, Frank Walker, right? You're calling on Tradinc not to leave the heavy lifting to cannon212 and to Steve Bannon's war room. They've got to come out, put their shoulder to the wheel and hold this Vatican to account. Right. Let me just read out what this organization we are church because even many Catholics won't be familiar with it, what it says about itself. It says it has a presence in or is cooperating with similar groups in more than 30 countries, also advocating for LGBTQ reforms within the church, endorsing blessings for same sex couples and calling for an end to the exclusion of LGBTQ person. So that was back in 2021. So there is no way that this is integratable, if I can use that word with Christian, with the traditional Christian, traditional Catholic viewpoint. And yet it is pretty much radio silence from so much of the professional Catholic media. Now let me just come back to you on this point. You are calling for the Catholic, the conservative Catholic Trad Catholic Inc. To come out and say this is unacceptable.
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Yes, because he endorses this. He has asserted the gay blessings of Francis and he endorses this ratification of the gay lifestyle, pushing it out there, making, making people think that it's okay. And also women leadership in the church is a big part of their platform and he wants that too. He's made it very clear. He's put women in charge of the church, which is against really the constitution of the church. There's a fundamental thing wrong with having nuns run these to Castries. And so he supports their agenda. And I don't think it's right for you to pretend otherwise.
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You know, you mentioned the word scandal before and that's exactly what this is. Funny enough in talking about people using their time on earth to prepare themselves for eternal life with Jesus Christ. I think the most spiritually rewarding statement on this I saw on the international sphere, on the world sphere, was actually from President Trump himself, who in a somewhat light hearted comment mentioned that in terms of getting to heaven, perhaps he's not doing so well being at the bottom of the totem pole. But he wants to get to heaven, and he's hoping that his work trying to encourage peace in Ukraine will help him get it there. I thought, you know, he wasn't making a theological discourse Frank, but I think what he said in the context that he made it carries far more weight in encouraging the faithful to think about living lives worthy of the afterlife than anything that's coming out of leo. That's the Stay with us folks. We'll be back to continue these themes in just a few short minutes.
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Welcome back. Well, one of the ways you can tell that the times are changing is that a news organization, if I might use that term generously, like cnn, publishes a very long article about people being converted from atheism to religious belief on the basis of supernatural experiences they've had, they've undergone, assisting the death of people by their bedside. Now, Jenny Holland, you are, as I often say on this show, an atheist who prays the rosary every day. And you flagged this story up for me and I read it and I was actually very moved by this and I think compliments to cnn. I think they handled this very tastefully. Why don't you talk us through this and Say exactly what the thesis behind this guy, Scott Jensen is, what his life story is and why CNN are covering it.
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Yeah, I think the most shocking thing about this was that it was in cnn because the rest of it feels very real and true, even though it's talking about the quote, unquote, supernatural. But, yeah, it's a very lengthy piece about a man who has worked in hospice care for three decades, 33 years. And he started out as sort of a slightly disgruntled atheist who had grown up in an Irish Catholic family in the States, obviously. And how for many years, as he went about this very difficult work, he never. While he saw people have many types of experiences in these sort of last sad, poignant moments, he was skeptical and never bought that there was anything on the other side. And that eventually changed. And it changed because of an encounter he had with a patient in his 90s and who was dying of cancer. And the man had been a World War II veteran and had told him a story because one day he came to take care of the man, and the man was had, who had been very depressed, was feeling much better and much perkier. And he asked why? And the patient replied that he had been visited that night by a. An old apparition that had come to him multiple times during his time in World War II. So over that span of 50 years or longer. Sorry, much longer decades, when this man was at the end of his own life, the. The soldier from the 1940s came back to him, and he was very happy to see him. And then the man died, like, the following day. So essentially, this soldier, who died in front of the patient in the 1940s and had stayed with him throughout the war and kept reappearing to him during the war and then never appeared again, came back at the end of the man's life. And when the hospice worker heard this story, something kind of started to shift in his mindset and he became much more open to other family stories. And there's many of them in the piece, and I urge everyone to read it. And honestly, I found was hard to stay composed. It was very moving. A young father dying of cancer who reports a young child coming to his bedside and encouraging him and saying, telling him not to fear that his children that he's leaving behind are going to be okay. I feel myself getting somewhat choked up even thinking about it. And. And he said that this has not only opened up his mind to what happens after we die and the fact that maybe we're all connected and we're all returning to our source, which he says to him is God. Very interestingly he also says that it's changed his view of humans, of people, and that he had been cynical and grumpy about people. And that's changed because he's seen them go through these, these experiences that really are extraordinary and these are ordinary people going through extraordinary things. And I think that is, that's part of to me what actually the War Room is about, if that doesn't feel like a stretch. But that what that's to me what the War Room audience is. And it's really interesting to see CNN sort of giving ordinary people the credit they deserve for having these extraordinary lives and experiences.
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The journalist here even went back and spoke to some of these guys, this guy's fellow colleagues in hospital in palliative care in the 90s, to ask him what kind of guy he was, is he someone who's susceptible to, to this sort of religiosity? And they said sort of 30, 30 years ago, 35 years ago he was extremely different, very skeptical on these issues. So I thought that the fact that they'd done that they'd done the digging and they'd gone back and spoken to some of his colleagues at that time bolstered the credibility of the general thesis of this article. We are always discussing on this show opportunities of trying to get people because obviously the whole point fundamentally is to equip ourselves or be equipped if we accepting the grace of Jesus Christ, to get to heaven, to spend eternity with God in heaven. So anything that we can stretch out perhaps and give to people so they might consider the Christian proposal in, in a new way. They may not have considered it before. Perhaps they'd been badly scandalized by so called believers and the way they lived. They just rejected Christianity completely. There are so many reasons, but I think stories like this have a huge important role to play because you can give believers, people who believe, can give them to their, to their friends who don't believe and say look, have a look at this, consider it and then ask yourselves what there might. Because it even says that this guy himself 35 years ago believed that there was no life after death. Quite militant about it. This life was, you know, you are your own God sort of thing and he's done a conversion. And I think stories like this in a non dogmatic way can, it can open the door to people to considering the wider, deeper meaning, supernatural meanings to life. And then of course you can take that further with the fullness of the Christian faith. Frank, you've seen this story. Tell me, what was your reaction to it?
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Well, I just, I think that this is a fairly common thing that people in this profession have these experiences like Jen saying, this is a human thing. This is the regular everyday human thing. And a priest that I've known that regularly come and visit people, they see things like this happen all the time. They see healings, they see supernatural experiences. And my own experience, when my mother in law was dying, she saw her father come to talk to her and then the hospice people would come in one after another because she was dying in our house. And they would, lots of times they'd be faithful. They would be very faithful and they would sing hymns and they would do things like that. And I remember hearing trying to sleep and hearing a hymn and it just kind of turned into this music that was so beautiful that I'd never heard before. Instruments that I'd never heard before. And I told myself this must be what angels sound like when they're playing. You know, this was what I thought at the time. But when you hear an instrument playing that you've never. That don't even really exist. So I think that these supernatural experiences are quite common and it's very encouraging. You know, death, death brings a lot of conversions. People look at their whole life and they realize they're getting ready to face death and they realize I need to repent now. I need to prepare for what's coming next. That's what I think.
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Which obviously the important thing to say on this is that is it folks, don't leave this to the last moment. Right? Death, death, bed conversions are always beautiful and I've seen one myself. But the whole joy of Christianity is actually living it in one's daily life. As good as deathbed conversions are, there's a real grace about living, living a Christian life, a practicing Christian life with the church community. Jenny, have you ever had. Frank just gave us an experience of the death of his mother in law. Just. I don't want to invade your personal privacy, but have you ever had any experience that mirrors some of what is mentioned in this article?
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D
Yes. In fact, it was the first time that I began to countenance that there was another dimension because it was when my father died and he died young. He was only 56 and I was in my 20s and I was very close with my father. And my father was a very, very strident atheist and he died of cancer. So these stories of these people dying of cancer very much resonant with me. And there's so many People who go through this terrible, terrible experience. So many millions of people go through this. And when my father was very ill, he began to say things that were unlike him. And he asked one day to no one in particular, to the room, what comes next? And instead of what he would have said before, which was, you know, nothing, it's the grave and nothing, and he actually said unknown territory. So I think in his own mind, you know, as he was getting ready, his physical body was getting ready to die. I think his soul actually was activating itself. And then even more intensely was the night before he died. And I actually didn't expect him to die imminently, but I had a dream, and in my dream he essentially told me that I had to let go. And I think that was his or, you know, it was something from beyond telling me that, to try and prepare me. And I think it actually helped. And it also helped in the aftermath when you lose someone that you love very much. I felt like I had received, like, a special message and I still have that special connection with them. And again, you know, death is the great leveler. It comes for us all. And, you know, we all have family members that are either aged and ailing through that or, God forbid, young family members sick and dying. And I think in the modern world, we're so terrible at knowing how to deal with death because it's very. It's been very sanitized, has been removed from us. And because society has become so secular, the rituals surrounding it have been almost taken away. But for large parts of society, there are very few. There are no rituals left. And I think that it's so interesting that the CNN devoted so many words to an article that talks about this. And maybe it indicates that there's something of a reckoning happening again in this overly secular society when people are starting to figure out that they've actually lost something when they threw out religion.
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B
I want to thank you both for your contribution on this talk on this story. Yeah, in a funny way, though, I hadn't planned it like this, Jenny. It sort of follows on from what you were saying about the resurgence of Christianity in the youth in the uk. There's. There is definitely something going on. These are the sorts of things that I like to bring onto the show with great enthusiasm, and I look forward to the next time that we can do that. And I thank you both very much for your personal contributions on that. One of the best ways to look after your savings is through diversification, particularly with gold from our trusted friends over at Birch Gold group. In the past 12 months the value of gold has increased by over 40% and central banks continue to bolster demand for gold by buying in record quantities. So Birch gold makes owning physical gold extremely easy. Where you can convert an existing IRA or 401k into tax sheltered Iraq physical gold, you can even buy some to store in your home safe. Text Bannon to the number 989-898 and Birchgold will send you a free info kit on Gold that is texting the word Bannon to 9,898 and Philip Patrick and his team are standing by waiting for you to get in touch. And what if you had one of the brightest minds in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? Go to Geopolitical expert Jim Rickards, a former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor has been warning Americans about an AI triggered financial crash to get his book Money GPT. Rickards warns that unsupervised AI trading systems could unleash AI an AI doom loop triggering lightning fast bank runs and market meltdowns. So right now war room members can get a free copy of this MONEYGPT when they subscribe to Strategic Intelligence. That's Jim's flagship financial newsletter. Go to ricardswarroom.com and claim your free book. That's rickardswarroom.com now, as we approach the end of the show today, I did Frank want to mention this story that was, that's basically in most of the mainstream press and nearly all of the Catholic media to do with the fact that his humbleness Pope Leo XIV is moving from the hotel. Well, he was never in the hotel. He's moving, I think from some quarters around the side of the Vatican. But the papal living quarters are moving from the hotel where Bergoglio had a whole floor all to himself in a very humble fashion, back to the traditional place of the Apostolic Palace. Look, my warning to all faithful Catholics and all people of goodwill on this is just to resist, to beware of the humbug and to resist the humbug on this. I want to highlight this story, however, because it is very much part of this narrative. Frank, you alluded to it earlier on in the show that Leo XIV is the return to tradition. Here we see the Pope moving back to the Apostolic palace which is the historic home of popes in the Vatican. Just quickly your, your thoughts and analysis on this, please.
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C
Well, he's, he's, he's adding rooms. If Francis had let the place get all moldy, you know, but now they're working on it and they're keeping it tight lipped. He's going to have room for three or four other people. I'm not sure they, they don't say who they're going to be. I would like to know who they're going to be. One of them is going to be Edgard, his personal secretary who has been he's known since he was 15 years old. Just a couple weeks ago they got haircuts together. They get their haircuts together with a, with a Peruvian barber. But I just, I would. There's a lot of red flags.
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B
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Frank Walker, are you trying to suggest a no? Are you fixed, Are you bringing, are you bringing this on? Have you. Are you fixing your beady cynical eyes on this story? I'm bringing it to the attention of the war room audience as if there might be something more interesting behind this than is what's being mentioned.
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C
I am very cynical. There's nothing wrong with two guys getting their hair cut together. And you know, one of them has been as he's known since he was 15 years old. There's nothing wrong with that. That's just, you know, it could be fine. But all of these things kind of add up. This story been kept under wraps. They've been building it for I don't know how long they've been rebuilding this and not saying anything about. Maybe even before Leo was elected. And then who they bring out to defend it. They bring out Father James Martin. Why is James Martin a part of this story? And he tells them that we should all defer to Leo's holy discernment and all things. We're talking about his apartment. Is there going to be rooms? Is it going to be suites? I don't know how many people are going to. What I want to know and I don't mean to be cynical and beady eyed again here is are they going to be doubling up in there? Is it going to be enough, is it going to be enough room for everybody in there? You know it reminds me of turning what was a place where there wasn't as much privacy where you had people that were helping security into more like a bishop's condo or that, that penthouse that Cardinal Wuerl used to have in Washington D.C. it reminds me of that. It's getting kind of private. Why does it need to be so private? And why does Father, why does Father Martin have to chime in? Those are some of the red flags I have about the story.
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B
So you're basically saying if Thomas Shizika was up to this, you might, you know, the Catholic, the Catholic media world might have slight more to say on the matter.
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C
Yes.
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B
Okay. But you know, these are just the sorts of things that we're going to. Yeah. And you're right. James Martin, of all people, comes out posts on Twitter that Leo's move should not be taken as a sign either of a critique of Pope Francis or as him not living simply. We need to trust Pope Leo's discernment in this and all things total humbug. That's why, you know, that's why Canon 212 exists. It's why the war room exists. On the subject of which all these stories, Frank Walker, we're very appreciative of you that every week we discuss these things and you post the links on your website, canon212. Folks, please go to the website for this and analysis throughout the week and also the rest of your social media.
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C
Frank Walker, canon212.com is the site and you can see the daily Update at Gloria TV and at Rumble and the Twitter is canon212 spelled out altogether.
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B
And folks, you do need to type it out all together because it is undergoing algorithmic suppression by Google coincidentally, Frank, I think from around about the time the very week that you started appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room. So great news resource, Frank, and thank you folks. Go to his website canon212 for the links of the articles we discussed this week. Jenny, very quickly, your social media, where do folks go?
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D
You can find me on X at semperfemina21, but all of my sub stacks are jennyeholland.substack.com and now on YouTube. I didn't send you the link, but it's at saving Culture from itself on YouTube.
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B
Jenny Holland, Frank Walker, my great thanks to you for joining us on the show. We'll be back next week. Thank you to our crack team in Denver and to our producer Cameron Wallace for putting today's show together. God bless, keep safe.
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A
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