WarRoom Battleground EP 840: Brutal Suppression Of Latin Mass In North Carolina By Passive-Aggressive FrancisBishop

Summary

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Podcast Summary: WarRoom Battleground EP 840

Episode Title: Brutal Suppression Of Latin Mass In North Carolina By Passive-Aggressive FrancisBishop
Date: August 30, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Featured Guests: Natalie Sonnen (Executive Producer, “Bread Not Stones”), Brian Williams (Founder, Charlotte Latin Mass Community), Liz Your, Frank Walker, Jenny Holland

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Overview

This episode centers on the newly released documentary “Bread Not Stones,” which chronicles the impact of an aggressive crackdown on the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) in the Diocese of Charlotte, North Carolina. The discussion brings together filmmakers, local Latin Mass leaders, and the regular WarRoom panel to explore both the suppression of the TLM by Bishop Martin (in line with policies from the Francis papacy) and the far-reaching consequences—personal, spiritual, and communal—of these actions. The episode also contextualizes their local battle within the wider international suppression of the TLM and broader debates over Catholic identity, clerical authority, and modernity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Latin Mass Under Siege in Charlotte (04:34–07:27)

• Natalie Sonnen details the context: Bishop Martin, recently installed in Charlotte, is implementing “Traditionis Custodes” (the Francis-era Vatican document severely restricting the Latin Mass) in a draconian manner.
• Local TLM communities—vibrant, growing, and integrated with families—are being exiled from their parishes, disrupting decade-old communities and spiritual life.
• Sonnen emphasizes the deep personal cost: “We are dedicated Catholics. We want to be a part of the Church. We don’t want to be exiled.”
• The film, she says, is a plea for the hierarchy to recognize the faithful as “real people with real names and faces,” not just abstractions ([04:34]).

Documentary Highlights: “Bread Not Stones” (02:27–03:19)

• A clip from the film underscores the masculine and contemplative nature of the Latin Mass, the attraction for young men, and the community’s success in fostering vocations (with nine seminarians from the parish).
• Frank Walker: “Young men get captivated, especially when they're serving it… They found their vocation at Mass and a lot of them at the Latin Mass.” ([02:45])

Lived Impact: Testimony from the Community (07:45–09:29)

• Brian Williams: 1200+ families—often large, multi-child households—face “forced separation” and displacement.
• Community members oscillate between “righteous anger, frustration, and a great deal of tears… as one person says in the film, a forced divorce that's being inflicted upon everyone here.”
• The diocese’s policy is “very painful to the community. We hope and pray... that something will happen, although I think it’s going to have to come down very, very much from on high for something to happen here.”
• The documentary’s director, Sean O’Halloran, himself a member of the parish, helps capture the deep spiritual and social wounds to these families ([07:45], [08:30]).

Critique of Hierarchical Decisions & Lack of Dialogue (09:29–10:49)

• Liz Your: Despite the rhetoric of "synodality" and Pope Francis’s talk of empowering the laity, “there is no consultation with the laity” ([10:49]).
• She describes the suppression as “persecution… by the bishops, by the Vatican, of a thriving, growing liturgy”—one attracting not just established Catholics but also young seekers.
• The film gives a face to this supposed “radical traditionalist” group, showing them as loving, dedicated citizens and believers ([10:49–13:03]).

Notable Quote ([10:49]):

“This is supposedly the synodal church… except when it comes to the magnificent, beautiful Latin Mass… And this persecution—make no mistake about it, it is persecution by the bishops, by the Vatican, of a thriving, growing liturgy.”
— Liz Your

Worldwide Reaction to the Film (13:09–14:57)

• Natalie Sonnen: In less than a week since release, the film has gained nearly 13,000 views and broad international coverage.
• Community response is overwhelmingly positive: “In some sense, this is a good news story… bringing together people all over the world... to try to get through to the hierarchy.”
• Aspires to reach the Holy Father (“Pope Leo”) directly, putting human faces on the issue ([13:30]).

The Crisis in Catholic Leadership (17:30–20:04)

• Frank Walker: The film is “historic,” capturing the “contempt” and alienation enacted by the hierarchy—not just a local matter but evidence of a global “coup” within the church.
• He highlights the absence of real pastoral concern: “The bishops care about the coup. They care about the power. They not care much, so much about the people.”
• Expresses doubt that change will come from above, referencing current suppression of the TLM even outside the US ([17:30]).

Notable Quote ([17:30]):

“It’s really not about the Latin Mass to me—it is, but what it’s about is the people and their souls… When you actually are in touch with the true faith and with the true Mass, there’s a lot of hate out there. You learn to be militant.”
— Frank Walker

Reverence, Masculinity, Mystery & Societal Need for Transcendence (20:54–24:11)

• Jenny Holland: Lauds the film’s beauty and spiritual depth: “Almost like a spiritual experience in itself… the interviewees, the parishioners… use words you hardly ever hear anymore… reverence, sacrifice, discernment.”
• Argues that the TLM restores a needed sense of the sacred, awe, and spiritual leadership, which modern “banality” in the liturgy and society at large cannot offer.
• Links the loss of transcendence to societal dysfunction and spiritual crisis among young people ([20:54], [24:11]).

Memorable Moment ([20:54]):

“We need so much reverence. We need to reintroduce reverence back into society, especially with our young people who are run amok, not really through any fault of their own. It's really the fault of adults and the elders who failed them.” — Jenny Holland

The Purpose of the Documentary (24:23–25:17)

• Brian Williams: The documentary aims to “show our bishop, the Holy Father and the church at large, the humans behind the Latin Mass, the people who attend the Mass… average Latin Mass goers who just really want to go to Mass and not have it impeded by their own bishop, by their own church.”
• Hopes for empathy and a halt to “silly persecution” ([24:23–25:17]).

What is the Latin Mass? (36:21–39:10)

• Liz Your: Explains to non-Catholic listeners the history and significance of the Tridentine Mass: its beauty, reverence, transcendent Latin, and its role in building the Catholic Church in America and fostering vocations.
• Remembers vividly the cultural revolution following the liturgical reform: “overnight… the Latin Mass was ripped out of churches… and we had felt banners, banjos and guitars… people leaving the church in droves… we have not had a serious discussion about the impact.”
• Sees contemporary Latin Mass attendees as “white martyrs” for their travels and sacrifices ([36:21]).

Media Silence and Lay Response (43:06–45:40)

• Frank Walker: Notes that most of Catholic media ignores the Latin Mass crisis: “There’s not freedom in the Catholic press. The Catholic press wants Leo to be Benedict.”
• Praises grassroots lay activism in films like “Bread Not Stones”: “Even if it doesn’t convince the hierarchy… it’s still fighting and it’s still going to grow and build a community.”
• Draws a contrast between the spiritual fruits of the TLM community and perceived malaise in the mainstream church ([43:06]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon (Host) ([03:19]):
  “Every single scene in that film was extract worthy. I think that just shows how good a film it was.”

• Natalie Sonnen ([04:34]):
  “[The bishop] is implementing that not with a teaspoon, but with a sledgehammer, unfortunately. And it really does seem to be ideologically driven… we've really been stonewalled as far as we can see.”

• Liz Your ([10:49]):
  “There is no consultation with the laity. This is supposedly the synodal church… except when it comes to the magnificent, beautiful Latin Mass that is thriving…”

• Frank Walker ([17:30]):
  “It’s really not about the Latin Mass… it’s about the people and their souls.”

• Jenny Holland ([20:54]):
  “Never heard these words yet spoken in sort of mainstream Catholicism. Words like reverence, words like sacrifice, words like discernment…”

• Brian Williams ([24:23]):
  “Too often there are stereotypes, there’s online personas that don’t maybe reflect the reality. This documentary, I think, for the first time, really shows… just the average Latin Mass goer who just really want to go and go to Mass and not have to have it impeded by their own bishop, by their own church.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Film introduction and opening discussion ............................... [02:27–04:34]
• Background on bishop’s policies in Charlotte ........................... [04:34–07:27]
• Firsthand testimony from local TLM leader ............................. [07:45–09:29]
• Panel critique: Synodality and laity’s exclusion ....................... [09:29–10:49]
• “Bread Not Stones” global impact ........................................ [13:09–14:57]
• Panel on pain and resistance in the Church .............................. [17:30–20:04]
• Reverence, transcendence, and film’s spiritual effects ............. [20:54–24:11]
• Filmmaker’s hope: Humanizing the faithful ............................ [24:23–25:17]
• What is the Latin Mass? Explanation for evangelicals .............. [36:21–39:10]
• Why the mainstream church and Catholic media fail ................. [43:06–45:40]

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Where to Watch & Social Media

• Film: reginamagazine.org
• YouTube: Regina Magazine Channel
• Charlotte Latin Mass Community: X (Twitter), Facebook
• Guests:
  • Jenny Holland: jennyholland.substack.com, X @semperfemina21
  • Frank Walker: Canon 212 (canon212.com), X @canon212

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Conclusion

“Bread Not Stones” stands as both an urgent protest and a heartfelt document—a film made by and for “ordinary Catholic families” facing forced exile within their own church. This WarRoom episode amplifies the film’s message, echoing the panel’s conviction that the fight over the Latin Mass is not merely about liturgical preference but about the survival of reverence, mystery, and true community in the modern church. The conversation provides not just an analysis of the crisis but a look into the lives, losses, and hopes of the people living through it. For anyone seeking to understand the controversy over the Latin Mass, or the deeper battles shaping Catholicism today, this episode and the documentary it spotlights are essential and deeply affecting.

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Transcript

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[Frank Walker]

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[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Bannon, 29th of August, Anno Domini 2025. Harnwell had the helm on Steve Bannon's War for this Friday night special. Good evening. Joined with our regular guest that we always have on Friday, so that might cause some light consternation for our regular viewers, we have Jenny Holland, Liz your and Frank Walker. Good evening, folks. Lot to get through today. I just preview the second half of the show and we'll be talking to Joachim Powell, a German politician who's been banned from election because he likes Wagner and Lord of the Rings. Stand by for that. You want to. You'll be hot if you thought Germany was bad right now. You'll be horrified at the full detail. Stand by for that. We'll be doing that in about half an hour's time. Very, very honored and delighted, however, to be welcoming on to this show. We'll play the clip just in a few moments. Natalie Sonnen and Brian Williams who've made this astonishing film called Bread Not Stones. Now, Liz, your afternoon tip. My hat to you on this one. You're, you're the agent that has made this show happen today. I'll be coming to all of you folks, our regular panel to break this down, the film, what it might mean for the Catholic world and perhaps even beyond the Catholic world, the evangelical world of goodwill. First, let's have a 30 second extract of the film and then I'll present our special honored guests for this evening.

[Steve Bannon]

There's something very masculine about the Latin.

[Frank Walker]

Mass and young men are attracted to it and I think because it provides in some ways a more contemplative experience, it provides a space for some discernment.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

And.

[Frank Walker]

Young men get captivated, especially when they're serving it.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

You know, we have this whole troupe of altar boys here.

[Frank Walker]

So many of the young men from our parish were in the seminary. And right now we have nine men from this parish studying for the priesthood. They found their vocation at Mass and a lot of them at the Latin Mass. In fact, we have two men from.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Our parish who are studying for the.

[Frank Walker]

Fraternal Society of St. Peter. They found their vocation in the Latin Mass.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

That was a short extract of this film, Bread Not Stones. Let me bring onto the show now our special guests for this evening, Natalie Sonnen, the executive director of the film Bread Not Stones, and Brian Williams, founder of the Charlotte Latin Mass community and also a consultant for the film. Welcome on to the show, folks. Let me start off by saying, when I watched the film earlier, and I cannot compliment it enough in terms of the content and its professionality, not only was it very beautifully made, very powerfully made, I was stuck with the problem. I had to get two extracts of that film in order to play for our audience. It was almost an impossible task because every single scene in that film was extract worthy. I think that just shows how good a film it was. Natalie, let me start with you, because you're the. You're the executive producer of this film. Why don't you say a little bit about what's been going on in the diocese of Charlotte that pushed you, motivated you into putting this film together?

[Natalie Sonnen]

Yes. Well, first of all, for having us on the show, and I commend you on the. On the clip that you chose. I actually, that's one of my favorite moments in the film because it does talk about the very real effect that the film is having, most particularly on young men. You know, we have a crisis in our culture with men, and this really speaks to them. But what's been happening in our diocese is that we have a bishop who's new, he's come on the scene and he's implementing tradizione custodes, which is a mod appropr put out. It's a Francis era policy. And he is implementing that not with a teaspoon, but with a sledgehammer, unfortunately. And it really does seem to be ideologically driven because we really have appealed to him. There's been many attempts. And I know Brian will speak to this through the priests and through the Latin Mass Society to reach him and to talk to him and say, please don't do this. You know, these are cohesive communities. They've been together for over a decade. We work together with the Novus Ordo and with the traditional Latin Mass. We have burgeoning choirs and altar servers and we have homeschool co ops and we're made up of both the Novus Ordo and the traditional Latin Mass families. We are. We are dedicated Catholics. We want to be a part of the Church. We don't want to be exiled. Please work with us. And we've really been stonewalled as far as we can see. So I saw this kind of coming down the pike, and I was quite concerned, and I felt that we really needed to do something for the sake of the faithful, not only in the Diocese of Charlotte, but also throughout the world. This is happening to diocese and to solid, good Catholic people throughout the world. And so this film is dedicated to them. And ultimately, we hope that the hierarchy will listen to us and see these people. These are real people with real names and faces who are being. You know, we're not only having to contend with the flesh, the devil and the world, we're having to contend with our own hierarchy. And that's a lot to bear for these families.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Brian, let me ask you now. So you've put together this Charlotte Latin Mass community, and I know you're quite present on social media. Tell me, how is the Bishop Martin's maneuver here? How's that being taken on the ground and within your own Latin Mass community, amongst the faithful?

[Brian Williams]

Yeah, it's been very difficult. We kind of started this. This group probably 12 to 14 years ago. Gentleman named Chris Lauer was really the founding force behind it. I was one of the original founding members with him. We have over 1200 families, some of them as big as 7, 8, 9 children, who are part of this community. And what we're finding out is that they are going to be significantly impacted, impacted and displaced by this policy of the bishop, by this idea of separating us from the parishes that we belong to and sending us off kind of to the middle of nowhere and in many cases, far too far away from where people live or currently go to Mass to be able to continue on. And so there's a lot of. It veers between, I think, righteous anger, frustration. There's a great deal of tears. I think you see that in the movie quite profoundly. This is a film directed by a gentleman named Sean o', Halloran, who was a member of the community and who knows us. And you see these mothers who love their children, their sons very much, who serve this Mass and how it's going to impact these social groups and everything that a parish is supposed to be, it is supposed to be your family. And there is this forced separation, as one person says in the film, a forced divorce that's being inflicted upon everyone here. And it's very painful to the community. And we hope and pray and we have been doing both hoping and praying that something will happen, although I think it's going to have to come down very, very much on high for something to happen here.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Well, the film you can tell is has, it has been very prayerfully made. That comes through, I think, in every frame of the film. Let me bring in Liz. Your just one moment, Liz. Correct me if I'm wrong here because I thought, and I'm not the first person to elbow myself to the front of the line here and start quoting Second Vatican Council, but I sort of remember that the Second Vatican Council didn't trust the laity to some degree with a role here, a shared role in the governance of the church. And I sort of remember Pope Francis of unhappy memory going on and on and on and on and on and on about anti clericalism. And yet it seems to me that the bishop here in Charlotte has just dismissed totally the concerns of the faithful and the film shows very beautifully the fruits that the old liturgy is having in the lives of ordinary day to day Catholics. I'll give you the floor right now to speak to Natalie and Brian and ask them a question, but before you do that, just can you give me a response to that? Where is, I mean these guys are the great proponents of the Second Vatican Council. Where is the role of the laity and the consultation with the laity in this decision?

[Liz Your]

There is no consultation with the laity. This is supposedly the synodal church. The synodal church, which is the church of listening and dialoguing with the laity, giving more power in the hands of the lady, except when it comes to the magnificent, beautiful Latin Mass that is thriving, as we all know, around the world. And yet the bishops want to suppress this Mass. And what this documentary shows two things, the emotional spiritual toll that it's taking on the families and secondly, the beauty of the Latin Mass. And this persecution, and make no mistake about it, it is persecution by the bishops, by the Vatican, of a thriving, thriving, growing liturgy that is not only attracting families, but young people as well. People who have never been interested in the Catholic Church are coming to this in God's name. Would any bishop who's in, who is supposed to be a shepherd of the church would do to suppress it and banish it into the boonies, which is what they're doing not only here in Charlotte, but also in Detroit and France and around the world. And what is very interesting to me is that I'm thrilled that the world can now see the face of the people and families that are being persecuted, not only by the bishops, but also by the Biden FBI. You know, these were the people that were supposedly the radical traditionalists, right, the extremists. You will see the most loving, dedicated faithful, not only Catholics, but citizens who love their country and love their families. And so it is absolutely essential that as many people see this, we need to rise up as a result of destroying something beautiful for the benefit of, I think that the intersection of the deep state and the deep church coming together to destroy what is magnificent in this church.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

I can only applaud that. Do you have a question for either Natalie or Brian?

[Liz Your]

I'd like to ask both of them. The reaction that is coming as a result of the film has only been out, I think, 48 hours or so. It's been going like wildfire around the world. What are you hearing from both the people in your community and around the country, Natalie?

[Natalie Sonnen]

Yes, I'll jump on that one. I think we're up to almost 13,000 views as of today. We put the film out this week on Monday, so it's been a little longer than 48 hours, but nevertheless, yes, it's really taken off. We've had great interviews. Brian's been doing interviews for us and different. We've got even the UK I think. Brian, you did an interview this morning with Catholic Unscripted. Raymond Arroyo covered us. So we've had great coverage. And the comments coming in. If you look in the comments on the YouTube page where the film can be seen on our Regina Magazine YouTube page, comments are very positive, affirmative. In some sense. This is a good news story in the fact that it is bringing together people all over the world in a common effort, a common effort to really try to get through to the hierarchy. And hopefully Pope Leo is going to see this. Ultimately, I'd like him to see it. I'd like our Holy Father to really take a look at this. Yeah, I see you're showing some of those comments. They're wonderful. And so it's really bringing together the community worldwide.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

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[Frank Walker]

Well, one of the children in this movie also says, does the bishop hate us? This happened to the entire world, you know, 50, 60 years ago. And I don't think it was really chronicled quite well. What this movie here shows is something very historic. It shows the really the contempt. And it's kind of a coup what's happened in the church for the hierarchy and everybody else. And it's just good to have it documented. It's really not about the Latin Mass to me it is, but what it's about is the people and their souls. All of the people that you've chosen here. On Sundays, I go to a Latin Mass community that has been there forever. Many People have grown up in it. There's so much that they have to learn and to grow. But these people here, they're telling about how they came into it, how it saved them from divorce, how they were looking for something that was manly. They didn't want to go to a grandmother church and all of their children, how much they care about their children. I don't, I don't see. I think that even if you don't get. Because right now Leo is. The Leo Church is, is hurting the Mass in India. By the way he makes bishops. He may say a lot of things, but what the bishops do is what really matters. And the bishops care about the coup. They care about the power. They not care much, so much about the people. Look at what happened with this shooting. Every bishop is. They haven't changed one bit. Even though a Catholic Mass with children has been shot, it makes no difference to them. They continue to push gun control. That's what they care about. And they even have Catholics in that parish. They're not Latin Mass Catholics. They have the father of a child who's been shot and that father is spouting liberal talking points. It's the people themselves that this movie shows. It's so wonderful. The people that are touched and they're. And, and they're learning that just like today is a feast of Saint Beheading of Saint John the Baptist, they're learning when you actually are in touch with the true faith and with, and with the true Mass, there's a lot of hate out there. You learn to be militant. Right? We have a. I went to Novus Ordo Mass today and my. The priests at the Novus Ordo massacre have a great sermon on that. So many priests are victims of what they've done to the Church. There's so many of us that are victimized by this hierarchy and the people that they really care about fungi.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

I'm going to ask you, as I always do, if you wouldn't mind, please do put up on Canon 212 the link for the film so everyone watching and we'll give all the social media in a few weeks if you want to get your pens and papers out. But, but please do put that on canon 212. I know you have a tremendous, tremendous following there. We need to get as much, many people watching this film as possible. Now in the final five minutes of this segment, Jenny Holland. Go to atheist who prays the, the, the rosary every day and has a great love for, as she corrected me last week, not necessarily for the Catholic Church, but for the Catholic faith itself, the floor is yours. You've seen this film. What's your reaction to it?

[Jenny Holland]

Well, first I want to say it was very beautiful and very calming and almost like a spiritual experience in itself. So I really must commend you for that. It was really. And it was also really striking and it was almost like a refreshing moment of solace. 52 moments of solace because it, the interviewees, the parishioners in this documentary, words that you hardly ever hear anymore in the modern discourse. And I've been following church things quite closely recently, partly because of this with you, Ben, but also because I'm interested in general. And I've never heard these words yet spoken in sort of mainstream Catholicism. Words like reverence, words like sacrifice, words like discernment. And I agree with the film's maker there, Ben, you picked the perfect clip because that, that moment where he talks about the, the masculine aspect of the Mass and the, and the power of discernment, I think is the key problem that hinges around all of liberal, not just churches, but societies in which we've lost the balance between masculine and feminine and the idea of the church. Now, when you go to, like when I went to that thing in Turin where the soon to be saint was being, there was a museum exhibition for him and it was all about love and it was all about helping others. And that's great, that's all well and good, but what about the hard parts? What about the sacrifice? What about the going without? What about the militancy, as Frank just said? Because that is actually, and I say this again as a very secular person who's lived in a very secular world my entire life, and I'm an uncategized Catholic. That militancy is needed. Look at what just happened, as you mentioned in Minneapolis this week. This was a young man who it seems from reports, was in some ways a member of the Catholic faith. And that whole community was attacked by what really could only be described as a demon. And I think that speaks, speaks to a lack of the militancy, a lack of spiritual leadership in the church hierarchy. And I don't mean to sound out of place, but when I watch or listen to or even attend Novus Ordo masses, there's almost a sense of banality. And I say that with some hesitancy, but that is how I feel. And I have been to the Latin Mass, and it's not that at all. It is very much a place of spiritual focus. And we need so much reverence. We need to Reintroduce, reverence back into society, especially with our young people who are run amok, not really through any fault of their own. It's really the fault of adults and the elders who failed them. But we've absolutely abandoned a sense of reverence, a sense of sacredness and a sense of sacrifice. And I think this film, in a very beautiful way, it's beautifully shot, beautiful music, brings that back into the public discourse.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Jenny, thanks very much for that. Brian Williams, last word to you. Can you, in about 30 seconds, just synthesize what you're hoping this film will achieve?

[Brian Williams]

We wanted to show our bishop, we wanted to show the Holy Father and really the church at large, the humans behind the Latin Mass, the people who attend this Mass Mass. Too often there are stereotypes, there's online Personas that don't maybe reflect the reality. This documentary, I think, for the first time, really shows, as Natalie said, as you said yourself, just the average Latin Mass goer who is just a father, a mother, a husband, a wife, and who just really want to go and go to Mass and not have to have it impeded by their own bishop, by their own church. I want people to see it and to recognize how truly faithful these individuals are and, you know, to have that empathy and ultimately to have change come from that and for people to realize that this is silly persecution, this is unnecessary.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

That's perfect. Natalie Sonnen, where do people go to see the film?

[Natalie Sonnen]

So we have the film on our website at www.reginamagazine. o R G. So that's where you can go. We have a Q and A there. We have the film and the trailer, and you're welcome to share that with friends and family. We really want this to go far and wide and we really want an impact for the good of the faithful and for the good of our church.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

And your social presence on social media.

[Natalie Sonnen]

We have Facebook. We're on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I believe we're on Miwi as well. So all of those places are. We've got a couple of accounts on Twitter, but the most recent one, I think it's Regina Mag 5.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Perfect. And Brian Williams, very quickly, your presence on social media.

[Brian Williams]

Yeah, the best way to follow would be on X. It would be Charlotte Latin Mass Community. But we also have a Facebook account titled Charlotte Latin Mass Community as well. There it is. And that's where you're going to get most of the updates and on what's happening on the ground, the developments with regards to meetings with the bishop, things of that nature.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

That's that's perfect. And as I said before, canon212.com will carry all the links. Thanks you to my guest Natalie Sonnen, Brian Williams and also to Jenny Holland, Liz, your for putting this together and of course Frank Walker at canon 21 2.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Jenny Holland]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon (Host)]

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[Jenny Holland]

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[Liz Your]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon (Host)]

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[Frank Walker]

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[Jenny Holland]

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[Liz Your]

Of the new pin.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

You know, it's just an encouragement to. To see young, beautiful, big families. Everybody appreciates that.

[Jenny Holland]

Right. And I think children, too, especially, really benefit from that.

[Liz Your]

I think sometimes it's easy to speak too much to them in a way.

[Jenny Holland]

Where it's just these words coming at.

[Liz Your]

Them and that they just kind of filter out or go in one ear and out the other. But when they're seeing it unfold in front of them and seeing those actions.

[Jenny Holland]

I think it can have a very profound effect. On them and their understanding of God, their relationship with Christ and their understanding.

[Liz Your]

Of the sacredness of, you know, of.

[Jenny Holland]

What'S happening before them.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

I still go to both.

[Jenny Holland]

I go to Novus Ordo and I go to Latin Mass. But there was something about the Latin Mass that just. It just like we are in front of our Lord, like this is like, it's. He's right there, he's right there. And I think when you are coming into the church and kind of look at kind of standard parish, it's like.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Yes, this is our Lord, this is.

[Jenny Holland]

His body, this is his blood. But it still kind of felt like.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

It just seemed a little too.

[Jenny Holland]

It still felt.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

I'm at a loss for words to give a charitable description to my experience. Like, I guess, you know, it seemed a little bit soft to me in a way. It seemed a little bit feel good.

[Jenny Holland]

What'S the word?

[Frank Walker]

And when I look at the cross.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

I didn't see feel good. I saw sacrifice. I saw repentance. I saw.

[Frank Walker]

You know, hungering and going on a journey to God.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

I saw deep introspection.

[Jenny Holland]

I don't want to say casual, but sometimes.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Maybe. Welcome back, folks. Whilst we're trying to connect, there are some technical issues that we're having with Joachim Powell in Germany. We're going to. We've reassembled our regular panel, our posse here to continue the analysis on this film, Bread and Stones. I picked that extract there, as I said at the beginning. I really could have picked any 32nd, any 62nd pull from that in order to extract it, really, because the way they edited that together, two separate contributors being interviewed at separate points in time having the same difficulty in trying to put into words what it is they like about the old Latin Mass and what's sort of lacking in the new one. Lizzie, let me come back to you first off, because I go to both masses. I go to the old, the old Latin one and the new one. The reason I go to the new one at the moment because I'm living in a small village just in, in around environs of, of Rome and it's just nice to be able. It's like a small, really small village of a couple of hundred people and it's nice to be able to, to go to mass on Sunday and see the people there and then see them sort of the coffee bar, the grocers or have you. Or the getting bread throughout the week and if I had to sort of, I don't know, drive 50 miles or what to get the local Latin Mass you are somewhat dislocated from that sense. That's what they're saying in this film. Right. Of the parish community does that. I think that the real heinous thing that what Bishop Martin is doing, he's. And they, they can, they confronted this in the film. They're respecting. They're expecting parishioners to decide between their love of parish and their love of the old Mass. Just if you wouldn't mind, as we open this and continue the discussion on the importance of this film and what is going on in Charlotte, North Carolina, just tell me something, wouldn't you, Would you, if you wouldn't mind, Liz, about the old Mass for our largely evangelical audience following us today, what is the old Mass? What is the Tridentine Mass? And why are some Catholics so agitated about what the bishop in the diocese of Charlotte has done? Just, first of all, just for an evangelical, a largely evangelical audience, just what is the, the tradition, the Tridentine Latin Mass?

[Liz Your]

Well, I do remember the Latin Mass. I grew up on the Latin Mass. I was educated by the Latin Mass. And what I found there was the beautiful Latin, the reverence, the transcendence of the church, the quiet, the quiet recitation of the prayers, following along in the missal. Latin has a special, I think, spiritual meaning for many of us. And it was the Latin Mass in America that built Catholic families, that educated millions of children in Catholic schools, that created thousands of vocations. And I remember it was like overnight when the Latin Mass was ripped out of the churches and we had felt banners taken up. Then the magnificent 30 pipes type organs were silenced and we had banjos and guitars at the front of Mass and the priest, instead of facing Jesus Christ and the cross, faced the congregation. This was a people centered as opposed to a Christ centered Mass. And I saw at that point in time people leaving the church in droves. They had no idea what happened to this magnificent liturgy. I saw priests leaving in, in droves and nuns leaving in droves. And we have not had a serious discussion about the impact. Now we know that the church has fallen off because of robbing us of this magnificent liturgy. But these people in Charlotte, they are in many respects and in many of the major cities, they are the white martyrs. They're traveling two hours to go to this magnificent Mass because they want the, their families to experience the beauty and transcendence of Catholicism that has been for 1500 years, creating martyrs and Catholics and faithful, faithful citizens and faithful lovers of God and Jesus Christ. And this is the battle we're going to have. And the battle of the Catholic Church has always been against the world. And the Latin meant stands in contradiction to the world and to secularism. And we saw that what secularism does to a Catholic boy who's now dead and to two little children who have been dead at his hand. And I think there is no coincidence that this movie is rolling out on this week, the sad week in America.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

By the way, Liz, we absolutely caught that when this came through in real time on, on Wednesday evening and the tragedy was unfolding. You, Frank and Jenny, you absolutely with the stories that we'd picked really by, by because we hadn't planned obviously that that as we planned the show, we hadn't planned those events around it. But the, but your analysis to what the three of you said on Wednesday, I think you absolutely nailed that story. I'm very proud of the coverage that you brought out in real time. Liz, I can buy I can agree with everything you say just now. There's one thing, however, that really just strikes me as being untrue and really objectively untrue and I can't accept what you said and that's that you're old enough to remember the old Mass. That I don't believe.

[Liz Your]

I don't I know it's a mere child. A mere child. Mere child.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Frank Walker, one of the great services that, that you do with Canon 212 as an aggregator, I often say you're basically the trad Catholic Matt Drudge and that is exactly the role that Canon 212 has. You're putting out headlines there. But over the course of the week, perhaps one or two might be picked by picked up by some of the other trad sites. But the whole full horror of what is going on in the church. I think you have a unique source that you're putting together there. And again it's a labor of love that you do when you, when you put that site together and update it in real time. It was through your website right though that that we had that I found that story that I mentioned. I saw nowhere else about this Catholic Priesthood association last having that conference talking about folks, here's your trigger warning. Put your hands if your parents over your young kids is right now. But when what what they were talking about and this was picked up by the Lepanto Institute. Michael Hickborne, if memory serves me correctly, had the tape recorder out. He was silently listening to what the these priests were saying between themselves. And that one of the, one of the priests said that that is he thanks God as he masturbates and that masturbation is a form of prayer. So you have this going on in the, you know, and it's thanks to Canon 212 that Catholics can know about this. Right? So you have that, that's what's going on over in the North Novus Ordo section. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the section of the Catholic Church which is, is the majority in terms of actual priests and bishops. That's what they're talking about behind closed doors. And you see what's going on, whether you have this Mass, parts of which the Canon of the Old Mass, of the Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass that goes back to like the third and fourth centuries, like 1700 years old, unchanged. And you're seeing, and you're seeing the fruits of that and you talk, you're seeing these regular Catholics being spiritually enriched by their presence of the Old Mass. So my question to you, Frank Walker, because you, you study these things like nobody else. Where is the Catholic media on this issue? Because I really, I see just the laity. I see the, the passionate laity here. Apart from you, who's picking this among canon 212, who's to who's out there defending it? Obviously this show as well. But, but who, who is stepping into the breach here to defend the integrity of these ordinary Latin Mass going parishioners?

[Frank Walker]

No, it was a wonderful thing. A lot of people send me articles, nice people at Canon 212. I get a lot of help with this site, but it was a one, it's a wonderful thing that they are actually making this film because even if it doesn't, you know, convince the hierarchy to be different. Different, it's still fighting and it's still going to grow and build a community. They'll see it in the comments that we're getting. The, the, the church that, that the Novus Order Church is the church in free fall. It's not, it's not putting up a wall to the way society is. That's why you have with this, this, this Tran guy who shot up the church, whose mother was an employee there. He, he, that is the Novus Ordo Catholic Church. She was part of that community. He was part of that community. He was like, like in the story that you, you mentioned, priests that don't think that sexual sins are a big deal were part of this guy's formation. That's why he thought that he was this way, which he regretted later. It instilled so much hate in him for him to reject himself if he if, if they would have just been in the Latin mass community, this would never happen. This movie shows the people and, and how much they are changed by God. That's why they can't put words. They, they can't put it to words because God, they're in God's hands and God is changing them and turning them into something completely different. And all they can do is just be dazzled by it. They, they can't mention, I don't know why the press, the press only is going to do what they're can. And we live in a society, there's so much control. We think we have all this freedom in the press. There's not freedom in the Catholic press. The Catholic press wants Leo to be Benedict. And you know, like you, I go to Novus Ordo during the week and. Because it's close, because I'd rather have that Mass than no mass at all. And on the weekends, there's a lot of people in the traditional faithful Catholic community, they like to knock Pope Benedict, they like to complain about it, and they have good reasons. But if it weren't for Pope Benedict then. And this wouldn't happen. These people would not exist if it weren't for Pope Benedict and he paid the price for what he did. I mean, that's what happens when you cross, you know, and the media refuses to cross them. But somebody's got to bring the truth out there. That's what this movie does. This movie brings a truth in a situation where nobody else is going to do it because they love to spike stories like about how the tranny is really just a Catholic phenomenon. The shooter and enunciation is a Catholic, a Novus Ordo Catholic phenomena.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Frank Walker. We only have six minutes of the show left. Otherwise. Otherwise, I would respond to your challenge on your gratuitous, gratuitous attack on Catholics who criticized Pope Benedict. I have plenty of defenses, but a point taken. Jenny, I'm gonna just ask you the question now. Where do people go if not for the. What is there anywhere to go for. For people who seek out the transcendent in the modern world? You've got to watch this film, right, folks? In the trend, the prayer I said earlier, it was prayerfully made. The transcendence. They did very well, the makers of that film, because the transcendence, which is part of the experience of going, going to the old Mass, you really get to get a feel for that just by watching this film, is only 50 minutes long. Jen, I'm going to ask you about that transcendence but first, if you're a homeowner. If you're a homeowner. Jenny, just one moment. You need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever. And your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county and boom, your title has been transferred out of your name. Then they take out loans using their equity or even sell your property. You won't even know it's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you checked your home titled? If, like me, the answer is never, then that's exactly what the scams are counting on it. And that's why here at the War Room, we trust home title lock. Use promo code [e-mail] to make sure your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report, plus free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. And that's 24,7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes, and if fraud should happen, they'll still spend up to $1 million to fix it. Go now to hometitlelock.com use promo code Steve. That's hometitlelock.com promo code Steve. Jenny Holland. Where do people go in the modern world for transcendence?

[Jenny Holland]

Transcendence doesn't exist in the modern world and neither does mystery. And I know I already spoke about reverence in the first segment, but mystery and transcendence are very clearly central to the Latin Mass. And I've been to them myself and I have experienced that. But it's also made very clear in the film and what Liz was saying about how the heart was ripped out of a lot of parishes after the Novus Ordo became the normal Mass. That actually speaks to my mother's own family. My grandfather was what would now be called a trad cat and a very devout Latin Mass goer. And you know, the family's Catholicism definitely fell apart once the Latin Mass was abandoned. And obviously there was a lot of other factors going on there. But even my mother, who abandoned the church and became an actual communist for at least a few years, she would always spoke, and still does this day, very fondly of the Latin Mass and how much more beautiful it was and how much more powerful it was and how much more sacred it was and how the kind of, like I said earlier, the banality of the kind of happy, clappy guitar. Mass was a loss. Mystery and transcendence are things that are not just lacking in the mass, but they're lacking in liberal worldview altogether. And I actually think this has had deeply negative repercussions because the over time this was compounded into a very smug sense of man knows it all. The educated, the intellectual, the professional knows it all. And that might have sounded well and good, I don't know, 30 years ago when, when the guardrails were still in place and things were more, you know, somewhat normal. But now, after everything we've seen in the last 10 years, after Covid, after the rise of the trans insanity and the sex changes for children, which was all rubber stamped and enthusiastically promoted by professionals and by intellectuals and by, you know, the great and the good, we, we see that the lack of wonder, the lack of mystery, the lack of sacredness and the lack of fear led to a hubris that has literally destroyed the lives of countless children.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Jenny, where do people go to catch them? Beautifully put. Where do people go to catch you on social media?

[Jenny Holland]

I'm on Jenny Holland substack.com and I'm on X@semper femina21.

[Liz Your]

Lucio well, I would just ask before giving my social media that everyone send in, tweet the movie Brad Nick Stones to@Pontifex that is Pope Leo's Twitter account. X account. I'm at your children Everywhere.

[Frank Walker]

Frank Walker, Canon 212 with just one N, type it out in the screen and Also Twitter @canon212 spelled out.

[Steve Bannon (Host)]

Don't forget folks, you need to type it out in full because canon 212 since Frank Walker started appearing on this show has been suppressed by the Google algorithms. Thank you for joining us. We'll be back on Friday of next week. Liz, I'd like to thank you for instigating the, the initiating this, this show today. Well, I think Vittorio Franco as well for his help and Cameron Wallace, our producer.

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