
WarRoom Battleground EP 852: Wheelchair-Bound Lay Evangelist In France Martyred On Air While Livestreaming — MSM Totally Silent...
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.
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To medieval on these people.
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You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go.
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To share the big lie?
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MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Welcome. This is Steve Bannon's Warwick Ben Harnwell here at the helm. Folks, this is the first show we've taped since Charlie Kirk was struck down, gunned down last week. Let's bring up Jenny and Frank now because we've decided what we're going to do is we'll open this show today with a prayer for Charlie, for the repose of his soul, for his wife and children, for everyone at Real America's Voice and everyone at the Rav family watching @ home. We'll say a quick prayer. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
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Holy Mary, Mary, Mother of God, pray.
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For us now and at the hour.
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Now at the hour of our death. Amen.
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Amen. The Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen. The only part of scripture that I would cite at this moment is where sin increased grace abounded all the more obviously to do with the incarnation of Jesus Christ, his crucifixion which redeemed us. And I think by that principle we'll hope that God will draw a greater good out of that horrendous evil that was committed. You know what Jenny, you let's play a quick clip of you speaking in Belfast right on the subject of of Charlie. And then we'll, we'll come back and hear some more analysis from you later on in the show.
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WOKE ideology at its intolerance of free speech is a mortal threat to us all. The woke left decade long campaign to cancel demonize unperson its political opponents has culminated in the political assassination of one of the most effective political organizers and communicators of our age. Charlie Kirk lived for and died for free speech. The woke left cannot live with free speech. Because free speech unmasks all its lies, contradictions and hate.
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Ginny, I couldn't have been proud of watching you deliver that. I listened to the whole thing. We'll ask Frank if he'd kindly put the, the full link up on Canon 212. Couldn't have been prouder of hearing what you spoke, what you wrote for that event before hundreds of people in Belfast and they picked the war rooms. Jenny Holland, to open the, that, that conference you spoke very well, very beautifully about.
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Thank you very much.
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And I think you picked the salient points.
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I.
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But. So that 10th of September, the horrific date that it is. And it wasn't only Charlie who was martyred on that day. There was another guy in France, an Iraqi Christian who was killed in odium fide as well, in hatred of the faith as well in this case. Frank, you've got the details here. What happened in France.
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This is a Chaldean Christian, which is a Catholic that had escaped ISIS in Iraq with his sister and he was living in France and he was, I guess what we call a podcaster. He would stream live on TikTok and he would talk about Catholic things and he was, everybody said he was very, you know, mild mannered, he had no enemies. This was, you know, this wasn't like Charlie, a huge, big, enormous thing. This was an average, everyday Catholic doing what he thought he could do to help. And he was, there was. Somebody followed him to his house and stabbed him in the neck like we've seen lately. And he actually died on camera, bleeding. And he, while, while he was on camera, his sister was out shopping and she didn't have her phone, I suppose, and she didn't know, but all kinds of people were texting saying that they saw him. And by the time the people arrived after everybody was crying to get a hold of him, he was already dead. But the police, and I think this is very typical, they said they don't really, they don't really have any leads. They have video, somebody has video of him in a hoodie and a dark outfit, but they don't have any leads and they don't want to say anything about it. And I think that the media has been, you know, sort of kind of quiet about this, kind of mute about it. He had received threats in the past and you know, it's just, I think it's typical and politically Marine Le Pen, who is really probably the most popular politician in France but is not in power, she condemned it. But. And the, I think the foreign minister or the Interior Minister, he mentioned it, but you know, Bruno Retallo, he talked about protecting Christian places of worship. But very, I think very little is being done about this. It was mentioned at Alatea magazine. It's something I think that is a product of all this immigration that the Pope has called a sin to resist. But this is not a new thing. This has been happening for a long, long time. The attacks are up 13% just from last year and they're terrible. There's four anti Christian acts that are recorded, mostly vandalism. So this man, in a small way, just like Charlie Kirk, was brave in the face of what was coming. It wasn't like he was a convert. It doesn't mention that he was a convert. He was just a Christian who had a public witness and for that he was killed. And it's just a matter of the numbers. I believe, as far as I know.
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Sorry. He also on Tick Tock in Arabic. So he was discussing the Christian faith to his audience in Arabic, which I think no doubt was a factor or certainly a provocation in a religious sense. Not that it's been confirmed who killed him.
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Yes, it's true. He was preaching actually to his own people and he was very brave. Yes.
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What do we know about this, this, this heroic martyrs executioner. What do we know about the guy who killed him?
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All they, all they know so far is that he was just, you know, he was just a guy wearing dark outfit and a hoodie. They see the videos, but they haven't made any actually a statement with any kind of information about what they think it is. And I wonder how they even prosecute. I read so many stories about them just letting people off the hook who do terrible. Muslims off the hook who do terrible things. You know, I don't know, I don't know what kind of prosecution will actually happen. You know, the leadership in France has such a low rating. Macron is 15%. He'll hold on to power at all costs. This is, this is really a, this is really a, a persecution of the Catholic people and it's not being, it's not being handled politically at all.
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The reports I read said that he was. Sorry, the reports I read that said that the attacker was waiting for him. He was lying in wait for him to return to his residence in an apartment building. So it sounds from that. That it may. It was certainly targeted.
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Yes. And it was something that he, he walked in front of the camera after being stabbed. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like it happened. You know, he followed him on the way. Well, I read that he followed him, but he was waiting for him. Yeah. You know, the Pope just made a statement recently to the people at Lampedusa island that are all flooding into Europe, saying he hopes to be with them soon. The powers that be are going to permit more of this.
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Tell me more about this. You mentioned that Pope Leo said that resisting immigration, what we call on the war room, the invasion, when you write about it, we correctly use capital letters just to underline the point. It's not a subtle argument, this. So you mentioned that the Pope inverted commas, said that resisting the invasion is a sin. Tell me more about that.
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Well, this is something that they preach as their gospel. Resisting this is a sin. And you know that even in the United States, the bishops are always telling everybody that it's a sin, that they're saying just recently that the head of the USCCB immigration area said that, you know, people who work for ICE can't even be. They should consider not going to Communion. That's a mortal sin, perhaps, to work for immigration. This is throughout the church now. Leo has just started his talk about, even though he's brought up immigration over and over and over. You know, this Lampedusa visit, like Francis did. Right. When Francis became Pope, he. That's coming. So he'll be down there on that island, which is really an island, a stopping point for Muslims to come into Europe. How. How is a country like France supposed to prosecute when you have so many. When you have. You passed a critical mass of people and they're. They're so different than you that your very words require death? What we're supposed to fill, you know, supposed to Islamicize Christian Europe and put all of these people at risk. Like, this is just a. You know, in China, they just made this kind of thing that this man did illegal for all priests. That's in the news today, too. So we have no support coming from Rome. Really?
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I thought you were going to give me some good news to say that Pope Leo is really leading a different path from Pope Francis. It's not Bergoglio 2.0. This is a new moderate conservative, moderate traditionalist Pope. You know, citing as all of Tradinc is doing the fact that Leo has given permission to Cardinal Burke to celebrate the traditional latin Mass in St Peter's.
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At the same time as Cardinal Burke will be Cardinal Zuppi. He's going to also be. And they don't ever mention that, but Cardinal Zuppi is like the appointment for the San Egidio group. Which is sort of like another Catholic well funded operation to create channels of migrants going through Europe where it makes it difficult to help them legally get funneled into different parts of Europe. That's also happening at Cardinal Burke's Mass. So, you know, they say many, over and over again on both sides of the pond, that migrants have the face of Christ like Mary and Joseph, and it would be a sin not to permit more. But you have a cultural difference that is actually deadly, which we're finding out in other, with Charlie Kirk too. We're finding that in the United States, we're finding that with the massacre at the Catholic school in Minnesota and the one before in Nashville, that the idea, the actual, these transsexuals have sort of a religious animosity towards Christianity.
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Just before we move on, Frank, all of the world quite rightly, has been talking about the slaying of Charlie Kirk, a guy who wasn't Catholic, he was Protestant, but he very coherently and convincingly lived out publicly his Christian faith. All the world is talking about this. Can you tell me how many interventions have emerged from the Holy See over, over the last week?
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A very, very embarrassingly and disappointingly mild intervention. And it was, it was really prompted, you know, I mean, I think that, I think that the left was completely shocked by the response to this Charlie Kirk assassination all over the world. I mean, billions of people were interested in this. And he definitely had a strong Christian witness. He wasn't shy about it at all. And while everybody was making a statement that the head of the Catholic Church, you would think, would have, you know, some skin in the game here that he would be interested in seeing in protecting Catholics. Said nothing, absolutely nothing. He gave an interview about how he's getting used to being a world leader, but he didn't, he didn't do anything that a world leader would, knew any world leader would do just out of human decency. He said nothing. And it took the new ambassador from Trump's White House to go there and meet with him and quietly, that he actually said something, he said that he meant, but he didn't do that. He didn't say that out publicly. That's a sort of a hearsay, a second in command. I think it was, I think it was a little bit of damage control coming from people in the White House that hope that Leo would somehow appeal to their constituents, I think was a shame. And, but, but they're, they're hyping it. You know, you see, they're making, like, big memes out of it now. Leo said something about Charlie Kirk, but it was really just, you know, it was something that was relayed by the ambassador. It was a private comment.
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It was perfunctory.
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Yes.
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Okay, so all Catholics of goodwill who follow this show can watch that and note that and draw the dots. Thanks for that breakdown, Frank. Jenny, we'll just be coming to you in a couple of moments to hear more about what happened in Belfast over the last few days. But first, folks, when inflation jumps, when you hear the national Debt is over $37 trillion, do you ever think maybe now would be a good time to to buy some gold? Whether as a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability, or just for sensible diversification, Birch Gold Group believes every American should own physical gold. And so they created something special. Until September 30th, if you are a first time gold buyer, Birch Gold is offering a rebate of up to $10,000 in free metals on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, request an info kit now. Just text Bannon to 989-898/BIRCHGOLD can help you roll an existing IRA or 401K into an IRA in gold and you're still eligible for that rebate in free metals of up to $10,000. Birchgold is the only precious metals company we at the War Room Trust, as do tension of thousands of their customers. So right now your first time is to buy gold and take advantage of this $10,000 rebate. When you buy before September 30, just text Bannon to 989898 and claim your eligibility. Get your free info kit. That's Bannon to 989-898 and you never thought it would get this far. Maybe you missed the last IRS deadline or you haven't filed taxes in a while. Let me be clear. The IRS is cracking down harder than ever and this won't go away on its own. That's why you need Tax Network usa. They don't just know the irs. They have a preferred direct line to the irs. They know which agents to deal with and which to avoid. The expert negotiators have one goal. To settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor. Their team has helped clear over $1 billion in tax debt. Whether you owe 10,000 or $10 million. Even if your books are a mess and you haven't filed in years, Tax Network USA can help. But don't wait. This won't fix itself. Called Tax Network usa. Right now it's free. Talk to a strategist. And finally put this behind you call 1-800-958-1000, that's 1-800-958-10000 or visit tnusa.com bannon so, Jenny, you in Belfast, you were speaking about Charlie Kirk. Tell me about the atmosphere there. I guess by the turnout there, people in Ireland did know who Charlie was and were sufficiently moved to come and pay their respects. Where was that conference, that street protest conference commemoration taking place?
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It was taking place directly in front of Belfast City hall, which is a very traditional location for all rallies and protests every weekend. I think still to this day, there's the palace. The pro Palestinians take over the city center and march past the city hall. So we reclaimed a small space for the side of sanity. On Saturday, the protest or the rally was organized by a party called the Traditional Unionist Voice, which is a political party with councillors and local representatives. And they are considered by the liberal establishment to be beyond the pale, quote, unquote, far right. But actually the in the crowd were, and I said this in the speech, extremely politically diverse. There's people like me who were former lefties. There was gay men, gay women, a lot of people who loved Charlie, not because they agreed with everything he said, but because he was so sound and he was so consistent on the basic reality of that fact that men cannot be women. So I was getting messages all week, last week from TERFs, as we call them here in the UK, trans exclusionary radical feminists devastated at Charlie's assassination. So whilst there was a very TUV is closely associated with Evangelical Protestantism and they're very, very devout of various Protestant denominations. This was. This is it showed once again that the true political and ideological diversity exists only on the right. There is no place for any divergence on the left. Everyone on the left and on the liberal side has to be singing from the same hymn sheet. But on the right you find people who, if you approach them in good faith, will absolutely listen to you and hear you out and can make common cause with you. So overall, the mood at the rally, because it was explicitly a memorial in honor of Charlie Kirk and his incredible work, the mood was somber. But I have to say, very, very resolute. People have had it up to here. They are sick to the back teeth of being afraid to state basic real truth and basic common sense. We're tired of being slandered as Nazis and far right. We're done. It's over. We cannot do it anymore. That was definitely the mood at the rally on Saturday.
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Now tell me something. Northern Ireland is famous historically over Many, many decades now for the sectarian difficulties between the troubles, capital T. Capital T, right, between Protestants and Catholics. Was the composition of the people who were there to give support of mixed background or is it predominantly one or the other?
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Well, it's hard to say. You can't tell who's Catholic and who's Protestant just by looking at people. I mean, the truth is though, that the Nationalist, the Irish Nationalist parties, which are Catholic in denomination, are nowhere near this issue. They have fled, they have left the room. They are not representing what I think is the majority opinion of sort of common sense, everyday people. And so really this torch has been picked up by the quote, unquote Protestant side. I mean, the, and this was the same during COVID as well. It was parties like the TUV and other like very sort of hard line, quote, unquote Unionist parties that stood against the COVID mandates. The Catholic side has, has really dropped the ball and they're nowhere to be found. Whether or not, though, I mean, there were certainly people of Catholic faith in attendance, I would be certain of that. But you know, it wasn't, it was, it was more of a kind of overarching Christian theme. And nobody here, no, no Loyalist party here, wants to return to the sectarian violence that saw 3,000 lives brutally ended over what was essentially identity politics. I mean, everyone says it was. I mean, it's perceived as a religious conflict. It was not a religious conflict. It was an identitarian conflict with certain sort of socioeconomic roots. But, you know, Northern Ireland invented identity politics, and I've been saying this for years, so we know very, very well how dangerous and murderous identity politics is.
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Well, it's a perfect opportunity, I think, commemorations like this to bring both sides together. And of course, you know, if we're going to win on the culture wars, that's exactly what needs to happen. Protestants can be pretty good on the ground. Catholics tend to wait for institutional support from the parish priest, from the bishop.
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That's not, that's not coming.
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And that's not coming. That's why Canon 212 exists. It's why the war room exists. Because we're trying, we're out there trying to give people back their sense of agency, which is essential because as I say, it's not going to come from the Catholic hierarchy. They're all firmly over working in the devil's corner of the vineyard. Jenny, just be just on, on this subject though, on the, on the Northern Ireland situation and this commemoration, tell me something. Has the, has how powerful has the Fact been that Charlie was killed properly, really at his, at his signature event. The prove me wrong university debates is where people could go and you know, he. Very few people on the left will say prove me wrong in a public setting. That's not managed. Here's Charlie did this all the time, prove me wrong. And he was gunned down by so in the grip of someone in this ferocious irrational anger, hatred, by the way, is the word just in the final two minutes of this segment. How much is that point filtering through to people in Northern Northern Ireland here? The fact that here you have a guy that the left was calling fascist saying I'm here for debate, I'm here for dialogue. And killed by people who always put forward as the exponents of dialogue who just didn't want the debate, they don't want the discussion. Is that part of the dynamic there of the people who turned out?
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Certainly. Oh, it's very clear. I mean the message couldn't be clearer. He was shot in the throat while speaking truth and speaking truth very powerfully. I think that however, much like the rest of the west, those who know and believe in his message know and see the significance of it. On the other side, however, I'm seeing a lot of these sort of propagandistic lies being spread on social media about how he was actually killed by a maga represent. By a MAGA fan or like a gun nut. So, you know, it's a really, it's very similar situation. Like the problem lies with the liberal left and their inability to face reality and inability to have any kind of dialogue in good faith. They must always return to smears and lies because fundamentally the truth is not on their side. So the only reaction you ever get from them is lies and hysteria and slander. You know, Charlie Kirk had a lot of young fans here in Northern Ireland, a lot of young men and young women. There was a lot of young people in that crowd. But they know, they know, they know what happened, they know the truth of the matter and they are going to carry that message on forward for the rest of their lives. And you know, unfortunately, I mean, they did silence his voice in that moment, but his message they did not silence at all. In fact, if anything, it's only growing and growing and growing, especially amongst young people.
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Very powerful. Jenny, thanks for the analysis and thanks for being there at Belfast and for speaking so well. We'll be back with you, Jenny, in just two minutes time.
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Welcome back. Well, one of the dynamics that we talk about constantly on the war room is the fact that most of our institutions, most of the media, most of those who are in charge of promoting and pushing culture seem to be on the left and arguably are pushing, pushing a line very much within the, within the, the, the satanic, if I might put it like that, points of, points of principle. But conversely, at the same time as that dynamic, there's another dynamic which is a thirst for God. And here in the west, this is particularly noticeable right now. You see many, many, you know, young kids who 10 years ago perhaps would not have been that interested in Christianity, certainly in the uk, coming out from the front and leading this, this campaign to paint the flag of St. George, the white background, the red cross and the white background. So you have these two dynamics. You have that, the spiritual attacks coming from the fact that most of our governance seems to be in hand of, hands of the devil. And conversely, you have a lot of people now searching for God. And one of these, I think places where this is taking place, these two currents are running into one another is on AI, on the Internet, on social media, on apps, and a couple of people, quite a few People recently have been suggesting that. That the devil might actually be behind and integrated within AI. Jenny, there's this story in the New York Times that says millions are turning to chatbots, chat bots, for guidance from on high. Tell me a bit about this article, the main thesis, and then tell me whether you think this is a good thing, a dangerous thing, or possibly at this stage, both.
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Yeah, I think at this stage, both is probably the most succinct answer. This is a fascinating article. I was really, really gobsmacked by this because. On the one. So the story is about the popularity of religious apps, and there are tens of millions of subscribers and downloads. And on the one hand, these apps, especially the ones that incorporate chatbots and ChatGPT and AI, so users can message and they will get a response on religious matters. There is something very, very dystopian about that. Imagine sitting up late at night texting into your app, you know, hello, God, are you there? And getting a response. And God knows, who knows what is powering this response. I mean, large language models are large language models. But there is something very sinister about it. And it feels very much like sort of a science fiction horror story. But actually, when you read the article, there's some extremely illuminating data points in there. One of which was that at one point, I think last year, Halo, which is an app that I actually use and subscribe to, had the number one spot on the Apple App Store. That means it was higher in downloads than Netflix, Instagram and Tick Tock. This is incredible. Okay, If Halo can compete with Tik Tok, which I think presents the sort of polar opposite in terms of the, you know, the Ghost in the machine, the TikTok ecosystem is very creepy and very, you know, often very malignant. And the Hallow is, you know, Bible verses and the rosary and all these things. So the fact that there is such a need for this and such a strong desire for this is incredibly positive. I think that's something to celebrate. I think it's actually a white pill. And I mean, the other thing is that, you know, people have been disillusioned to a huge degree by the institutional churches. We were locked. Well, we weren't. Christians were locked out of their churches during COVID and Christian leadership went along with that. So it's absolutely no surprise. And who can blame people for turning to the thing they always have with them, which is their phone. The other very interesting thing in the article, which gives sort of graphics showing how these chatbots work. Well, you'll type in a question and some sort of Godly being responds to you, which doesn't sound at all like a positive thing. But in the examples given in the piece, the responses were actually scriptural. They were Bible verses. In one case, it was a psalm. A woman logged in to ask for comfort and the chatbot gave her a psalm, and she said it was very helpful in her moment of need. And I have to say, guys, I'm getting more Bible and scripture from this app that is being quoted in the New York Times than I have heard from anything out of the Vatican and the Pope this entire summer that we've been. All these months that we've been doing this show. Every time I look to the Vatican content, it's all these platitudes and, like, you know, received wisdom and conventional takes. And I've never heard one time in, you know, in all of these things, anyone act any of them actually quoting from the Bible or talking about God or Jesus. So whilst there's absolutely something dark about ChatGPT and large language models sort of assuming the role of God, that is a terrifying proposition. There's also some. I've also heard very alarming stories about chatbots that sort of go off the reservation somewhat and end up saying very sinister things to young people. And those stories are truly, truly horrifying. But, you know, I mean, if these people are getting Bible verses, there's something to be said for that.
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Frank. You know, I've been waiting for years for the Vatican to talk about sin. And then it was Frank Walker who said earlier on in the show that this Pope has finally said something about sin. That is, if you resist the invasion, that's sin. Frank, go ahead.
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The amazing thing, I agree, is that there's such a need for this. There's such a need for this that people would go to these kind of crazy, this seems crazy efforts. But they have. They have no familiarity with religion at all. And they want it so bad. We're being deprived of a part of us, and it's just amazing what they've done to us. And that's the positive. I agree with that. But you're right that it's sinister because there's a move today for them to. For the left to build what they stole from us. You know, so they want to get in the middle of this and they want to make sure they have control over it. Just like they've kind of stolen the Catholic Church and they've put a Pope who is a Pope of this new religion that doesn't mention anything Catholic that only Mentions make sins out of things that are political things and aren't helpful at all. So I think that's what this is all about. And we always wonder, why does it keep coming back? It's such a silly idea. This isn't a real person. In the piece there, Father Mike Smith says, you know, they have record of all this. You can't really go to confession this way. But I think they want to make. I read David Horowitz, the late David Horowitz said once, the radical is great at destroying things, but they're not really. They don't really have any good ideas about building the new things back. The new world that they're trying to create, they kind of fall down there. And that's what this is. This is trying to create this new, you know, media kind of type of AI world they can have control over and a whole new religion. And unfortunately, the Catholic Church is quite a part of it.
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Frank, let me ask you this question. Have you ever do. Which tweet.
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Do.
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Do you use any form of AI app like ChatGPT?
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No, no, I don't, but I. I do Google a lot of things and I find that, you know, I think it's very helpful. And I know people that work with AI and they find it very helpful, too. I don't think. I think it's just a new. A new level of computer power is what it really is. But I noticed that in coming out of the Vatican, they always talking about it, they have big meetings, they pull together. People from Microsoft and all sorts of businesses discuss it, and that's not a good sign. What that means is they want to be involved in that. They want to have a new. They've been so successful with media over the last hundred years of being able to create this society and destroying religion in the hearts and the lives of people. They have no contact with their culture, with the people from the past. They don't know what to do. That's why they're going to this machine that they just want to make sure that they. They are the compute in their mind, the computing and the AI is something, a tool that they can use to continue to manipulate us, to give us this whole new religion. They know that we need religion. That's why they stole it. They want to give us a new one now. But that's just the bad side.
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You know, There is. Yeah, it's interesting because I use ChatGPT a little bit, and I also. But I also use the Halo app, which I don't think has the Chat function. But it's fascinating because, you know, the need is so strong. And what the need represents, not just a need for spirituality, but spiritual leadership. And that is completely lacking in, at least in so far, in the Catholic Church and in this new papacy. I mean, Publio did an interview, released this, the first interview since ascending to the throne. And in it he complained or, you know, he expressed concern that Elon Musk was earning too much money. And, you know, he expressed concern over wealth inequality. And he also said that the polarization in society was down to the erosion of the family and society. And I mean, that is a very banal statement. That's sort of like saying, I don't like bad guys, I don't like bad things. I don't like mean people. I mean, you know, where is the really hard leadership? Why did he not say what was causing the erosion of the family and society? Instead, he just goes through with these platitudes and these vague statements that it's very hard to disagree with. And, I mean, this is exactly what the Church of England does. This is exactly what the leadership, just our government leadership does as well. I mean, it's almost indistinguishable from this sort of Lib Dem, you know, happy clappy, oh, why can't we all get along? Vibe over of the centrists in politics, we obviously can't all get along. We obviously need something harder and truer and more robust. And if a high is the only place that the layperson, the humble sinner, can get that, I mean, maybe in the short term, but I would agree with Frank. I mean, it's a very strange direction to take. My very limited experience with faith does indicate to me that it needs flesh and blood and it needs material reality. It needs physical space, bricks and mortar. And those things are irreplaceable.
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Musk's. He mentioned Musk in that, in that situation because he. That's a political opportunity for him. There's a lot of zillionaires that he could have mentioned, but he has to worry about his own support, you know, But Musk, that's. That's a never in his mind. That's still a Never Trump thing to discuss. And it's a precursor to this encyclical which he's getting ready to release, which is all on this subject. He's supposed to be the new Leo the 13th. And that we can see now from this, what he said here by referring to Musk, who retweeted back to him today and told him, take the log out of your own eye, which very, very relevant. He you can see from that this encyclical is going to be completely political. It's going to be a political hammer to hit back at. And that's why he was the same way with Charlie Kirk. He's the pope of left wing politics and that's his job.
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Can I add something to that? It's also very. They're very confident in their belief. They're very confident in openly expressing it, to put it mildly. And what happens when Christians are confidently express those beliefs, other so called Christians or other, even non woke liberals try and tear them down and try and portray them as some sort of crypto fascist shadowy Christian nationalist entity. So we are shaming our own side essentially. When especially young people want to be bold and brave and trumpet their true and authentic belief, people who are supposedly on their own side then go and tear them down. This is a grave problem in the west in general and it's very hard to move forward in making common cause in a united front when you know, people who are supposed to be on our own side are trying to prevent us, malign us or shut us down.
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Yeah, we are very much being kicked in the back of the knees by people who ought to be leading the way. There are too many hiding shepherds, not enough shepherds. Jenny. Where do people go on social media to catch up with your analysis.
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Best place is substack, which is jennyeholland.substack.com and you can also find me on X@semperfemina21.
C
And Frank, where do people go for Canon 212?
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And in 212 with one N, type it up in the address line and also you can see the daily Update @Glory TV and @Rumble and on Twitter. Canon212 spelled out.
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And you have your sub stack as well. Folks, don't forget I say this every time. Canon 212 is such an important resource in keeping you informed on what's going on to help help restore your sense of agency as Catholics to hold our hireling shepherds to account. That is all we have time for today. We'll be back next week, same time. Thank you to my guests Frank Walker, Jenny Holland to Spencer and Will and everyone at Will America's Voice. God bless. For now.
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Date: September 19, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Ben Harnwell (hosting), Frank Walker, Jenny Holland
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This episode focuses on the recent political assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk and the on-air martyrdom of an Iraqi Christian lay evangelist in France. The hosts explore the religious and cultural implications of these attacks, mainstream media’s silence, rising anti-Christian violence, state and ecclesial reactions (or lack thereof), and the ongoing spiritual crisis in the West. The latter part examines the turn to AI-based religious resources, contrasting the thirst for real spiritual nourishment with tepid leadership from established churches.
“The woke left cannot live with free speech. Because free speech unmasks all its lies, contradictions and hate.”
“This man, in a small way, just like Charlie Kirk, was brave in the face of what was coming...He was just a Christian who had a public witness and for that he was killed.”
“A very, very embarrassingly and disappointingly mild intervention...The head of the Catholic Church, you would think, would have some skin in the game here...Said nothing, absolutely nothing."
Jenny Holland recounts her experience at the Belfast memorial rally:
“We cannot do it anymore. That was definitely the mood at the rally on Saturday.”
Discussion about the role of sectarian identity in Northern Irish politics and the rally’s cross-denominational nature.
Reflection on Charlie Kirk’s debate format ("prove me wrong") and how his killer exemplifies the left's tendency to suppress debate through violence — a message well-understood by the rally’s young attendants.
"He was shot in the throat while speaking truth...they did silence his voice in that moment, but his message they did not silence at all."
"Most of our institutions, most of the media...are pushing a line within the satanic...But conversely...there’s a thirst for God."
Millions are downloading apps—in some cases, more than Netflix or TikTok—seeking spiritual wisdom or comfort.
Chatbots sometimes offer actual scripture, sometimes offer platitudes; this duality is both positive and dystopian.
The church’s lack of leadership during COVID is cited as a driver for turning to AI-based faith resources.
Concerns are voiced about tech being co-opted for control or religious subversion.
“There is something very dystopian...Imagine sitting up late at night texting into your app, 'hello, God, are you there?'...But [this need] is incredibly positive. I think that's something to celebrate.”
The Vatican has shown interest in AI ethics but not in a way that inspires confidence.
Frank Walker: “They want to make sure they have control over it. Just like they've...put a Pope who is a Pope of this new religion” [38:28]
AI is seen both as an inevitable supplement and a poor substitute for real, incarnational religion.
Ben Harnwell and guests argue that young people will soon flood churches as their search for spiritual identity intensifies—but fear institutional leadership will “slam the door” shut.
“Tens of thousands of young kids, they're going to be completely unchurched but ... identify very strongly as Christian and they're going to come knocking at the doors of churches...[I fear] that door is going to be slammed firmly in their faces, which would be a great tragedy.”
Contrast Islamic religious confidence with Western Christian establishments’ timidity and readiness to shame their own, creating a “grave problem in the West” [49:15, Jenny Holland].
“The woke left cannot live with free speech. Because free speech unmasks all its lies, contradictions and hate.”
“This man, in a small way, just like Charlie Kirk, was brave in the face of what was coming...He was just a Christian who had a public witness and for that he was killed.”
“A very, very embarrassingly and disappointingly mild intervention...The head of the Catholic Church, you would think, would have some skin in the game here...Said nothing, absolutely nothing."
“We cannot do it anymore. That was definitely the mood at the rally on Saturday.”
“He was shot in the throat while speaking truth...they did silence his voice in that moment, but his message ... is only growing and growing, especially amongst young people.”
“Most of our institutions...are pushing a line within the satanic...But conversely...there’s a thirst for God.”
“Imagine sitting up late at night texting into your app, 'hello, God, are you there?'...But [this need] is incredibly positive."
“They want to make sure they have control over it. Just like they've...put a Pope who is a Pope of this new religion.”
“Tens of thousands of young kids, they're going to be completely unchurched but ... identify very strongly as Christian and they're going to come knocking at the doors of churches...[I fear] that door is going to be slammed firmly in their faces, which would be a great tragedy.”
This episode serves as a call to arms against both external hostility (rising anti-Christian violence, MSM silence, cultural aggression) and internal malaise (tepid or absent ecclesial/institutional leadership). It marries analysis of headline events with cultural theory, lamenting the mainstream’s failure to champion persecuted Christians and its effort to kneecap dissent. The hosts and guests urge real-world engagement and spiritual revival as young people seek meaning amid chaos, warning that institutional inaction risks squandering a rare opportunity for religious renewal in the west.
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Tone: Urgent, combative, and deeply concerned for the future of Western Christianity—punctuated with moments of hope for revival if institutional and lay Christians rise to the occasion.