WarRoom Battleground EP 862: Terror Attacks In London Continue; Pope Leo Blesses ICE

Summary

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WarRoom Battleground EP 862: Terror Attacks In London Continue; Pope Leo Blesses ICE

Broadcast Date: October 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Stephen K. Bannon brings together guests Peter McIlvenna (Hearts of Oak, UK) and Ben Harnwell (live from Rome) for a deep-dive on the suspected terror attack at a Manchester synagogue, escalating social and political tensions in the UK, free speech clampdowns, the prospect of digital ID, and the striking symbolism of Pope Leo’s recent Vatican ceremony involving a block of ice. The discussions are candid, urgent, and often polemical, highlighting the mounting pressures on Western democracies and the readiness of their populations to resist both government overreach and cultural change.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Manchester Synagogue Terror Attack & The Rise of Political Tensions in the UK

• Overview of the Attack
  • Media reports confirm a car-ramming and stabbing attack outside a Manchester synagogue, with at least two fatalities and the attacker shot dead by police. Early video showed police warning about a possible bomb, though explosive devices were not confirmed.
  • Quote: "Video posted to social media...showed police backing away from the suspect's body and then cautioning people to move away. An officer...can be heard saying, quote, 'he has a bomb.'" (B, 00:52)
• Wider Social Impact
  • Bannon and McIlvenna see the attack as a symptom of deeper, simmering societal tensions driven by government inaction and mass migration.
  • Bannon frames the UK, particularly England, as “rapidly spinning to a civil war” and credits working-class resistance for holding the line:
    • Quote: "They ain't going down without a fight...the English working class is not going to just turn over their country..." (A, 03:20)
• Political Landscape
  • McIlvenna details the disconnect between the “hard left” Labour government, an ineffectual Conservative opposition, and the rise of Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party, now advocating mass deportations for the first time.
  • Quote: "Nigel Farage...is hitting the ball so high in relation to the Conservative Party that are just part of the Uni Party." (D, 05:54)
  • Estimates: Reform UK could jump from 6 to 315 MPs if an election were held immediately (D, 05:54).
• Growing Friction Between Communities
  • The changing demographics of urban Britain and the displacement of the Jewish community are discussed as major cultural flashpoints.
  • Quote: "We have seen the Jewish community pushed out of many traditional areas, especially in North London..." (D, 07:09)

2. Censorship and Speech Laws in the UK

• Suppression of Debate on Immigration and Identity
  • Bannon and guests stress the chilling effect of UK speech laws on open political discourse, especially around immigration and "Islamization."
  • Quote (Bannon): "Can you even have this conversation, a war room heated conversation in the United Kingdom right now?" (A, 07:56)
  • Quote (McIlvenna): "We have a huge, huge attack on our free speech. We don't have a first and second Amendment...we have 30 people a day being arrested...for hate crimes online..." (D, 09:21)
• Appeal to American Audience
  • McIlvenna warns American listeners not to let New York “become London,” citing free speech erosion as the critical front.
    • Quote: "I plead with the American voters to recognize that and make a stand in New York to make sure New York does not come London a standard..." (D, 08:58)

3. Digital ID and Surveillance Concerns

• Government Moves Toward Digital ID ('Brit Card')
  • Concerns voiced about government plans, rooted in Tony Blair’s legacy, to implement digital identification, allegedly as a response to illegal immigration.
  • Quote: "Is this a CCP credit score? Is this 15 minute cities? Is this controlling what we spend our money on? Is this part of the climate alarmism?" (D, 11:38)
  • Bannon and Harnwell question the actual utility—suggesting punishments will fall on ordinary Britons, not illegal entrants or traffickers.
    • Quote: "It's one thing to have the bureaucracy and it's another thing to enforce it...the cost and the punishment, the penalization of this bureaucracy will fall on...taxpayers." (C, 16:32)
• Mass Surveillance:
  • Live facial recognition across the UK further signals a move towards “1984 stuff,” heightening what Harnwell calls “the anatomy of a betrayal” by the ruling class.
  • Quote: "First you fill the country with...illegal invasions...then you clamp down on the thousand year old civil liberties against Britons..." (C, 18:48)

4. Nigel Farage and the Shifting Political Dynamic

• Adopting Hardline Positions
  • Both Bannon and Harnwell note how Farage’s rhetoric and policy proposals have shifted to embrace the mass deportations platform, closing the gap with the U.S. MAGA movement.
    • Quote: "Nigel Farage has only recently swung around to the position...mass deportations..." (C, 33:08)
    • Quote: "The Uni Party...have an almost autistic indifference about where...the British people are." (C, 33:44)
• Voter Discontent
  • Crowd sizes, like millions marching behind Tommy Robinson, are highlighted as evidence of ordinary, not “thug” or “skinhead,” protest.
    • Quote: "These are ordinary working families...This is middle England that's coming out now." (C, 34:48)

5. Civil Unrest: Revolution or Civil War?

• Trajectory of Political Crisis
  • Is the UK closer to civil war or revolution? Both Bannon and Harnwell argue that electoral solutions (Farage) may be the “release on the pressure cooker,” but revolution is moving from possibility to probability unless institutions respond.
  • Quote: "I think Nigel Farage is going to be the release on the pressure cooker that will stop that from happening. But if it weren't for Nigel. Yes...that's what is coming closer..." (C, 21:14)
    • Civil war possibility seen as even likelier in the US due to systemic breakdowns.
  • Quote: "Civil war is something I think is far more close to the United States over the next 20 or so years rather than say revolution." (C, 21:53)

6. Collapse of British Political Competence

• Historical Decline
  • Bannon, as a student of British history, laments the current “paralysis” of the UK political class compared to its storied past.
    • Quote: "How did our mother country...deteriorate to a political class that is paralyzed?...they ain't been paralyzed. They built the greatest empire since the Roman Empire..." (A, 37:40)
  • Harnwell traces the decline to loss of idealism, media-driven groupthink (especially by the BBC), and universal suffrage allowing non-net contributors to vote for entitlements.
    • Quote: "I think that the fundamental...factor here in the degradation of our political life is that people have had a vote without having any valuable input..." (C, 39:55)

7. Pope Leo Blesses Ice—Symbolism, Paganism, & The State of the Catholic Church

• The Ceremony:
  • Bannon expresses outrage over a Vatican event where Pope Leo blesses a giant iceberg, calling it a “pagan ceremony” and equating the modern Church’s climate activism to Gaia/Mother Earth worship.
    • Quote: "This was an absolute pagan ceremony...if you're the vicar of Christ and you engage in and lead a pagan ceremony, you lose the stamp of being the vicar of Christ on Earth." (A, 44:15)
• Implications for Catholicism:
  • Harnwell echoes the shock, describes the event as a metaphor for the Church (the "bark of St. Peter") striking an iceberg, and calls faithful Catholics to withdraw “docile obedience” from a hierarchy he calls “corrupt, atheist, pagan, communists.”
    • Quote: "Pope Leo has just put up a giant middle finger...in the face of traditional Catholics and conservative evangelicals. This is scandalizing." (C, 46:41)
  • Argues that the only solution is for laity to “take the running of our church out of the hands of these corrupt...communists and reset the Catholic Church on the path according to Jesus Christ.” (C, 49:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On British Political Paralysis and Media:
  "The BBC. The other thing I would have to throw into the mix if we're talking about the deterioration in the body politics...a tremendously corrosive effect..." (C, 38:36)

• On Surveillance Culture:
  "Now what this government is also now doing is bringing out live facial cameras right across the UK. Real sort of 1984 stuff...the anatomy of a betrayal is this." (C, 18:28)

• On Civil War vs. Revolution:
  "There are two things here, Steve. Right. There's the possibility of revolution and there's a possibility of civil war. And they are both responses to a particular set of circumstances..." (C, 21:28)

• On the Vatican Ice Blessing:
  "I literally thought it was a Saturday Night Live skit...this is a pagan ceremony...the worship of Mother Nature. That's a pagan ceremony." (A, 44:15) "That is the bark of St. Peter, like the Titanic bang into this iceberg." (C, 46:09)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 01:10: News report, update on Manchester attack (B)
• 03:00 – 07:56: Bannon & McIlvenna on political climate, Farage, and impact of the attack (A, D)
• 07:56 – 09:21: Free speech in UK, comparison to American context (A, D)
• 10:58 – 13:02: Digital ID plan and government rationale (A, D)
• 15:17 – 20:17: Blair’s involvement, comparisons to Italy, surveillance escalation, “anatomy of betrayal” (A, C)
• 21:14 – 22:39: Civil war vs. revolution & Farage’s possible role as a safety valve (A, C)
• 33:08 – 35:40: Harnwell on Farage’s evolution, shifting sentiment of “Middle England” (C)
• 37:40 – 39:55: Bannon on decline of British institutions, Harnwell's analysis (A, C)
• 44:15 – 50:08: Pope Leo’s ice blessing, symbolism, crisis in Catholic Church (A, C)

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Conclusion & Information for Listeners

The episode’s tone is one of urgent warning, with Bannon and guests arguing that Western societies, especially the UK, are at a breaking point—politically, socially, and spiritually. Increasing terrorist threats, mass migration, government surveillance, and what the hosts view as cultural and religious betrayal are stacked as evidence that only radical political realignment led by populist leaders or, if that fails, popular revolt can rescue the nation.

Follow-Up & Social Media

• Peter McIlvenna (Hearts of Oak): @heartsofoakuk (X/Twitter), live shows Monday, Thursday, Saturday at 3pm Eastern US
• Ben Harnwell: Getter, @Harnwell

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This summary covers all major topics and memorable moments discussed in this episode, offering context and key perspectives for listeners seeking an in-depth understanding without the need to hear the full broadcast.

Transcript

[A]

Erupting outside of a synagogue in northern England. Police say at least two people were killed in a car ramming and stabbing attack in Manchester. An authority shot a third person believed to be the suspect. NBC's Matt Bodnar is in London now with more.

[B]

Matt, what's the latest on a Good morning? Manchester police have confirmed that the attacker has died from shots fired by the police when they responded to this attack earlier this morning. We don't know too much more about the attacker at this time, but Manchester police have actually just now started a press conference where we're learning a about it. They're saying that they have two additional people in custody without giving much more detail yet. But going back to the attack. Video posted to social media, also verified by NBC News, showed police backing away from the suspect's body and then cautioning people to move away. An officer in that video can be heard saying, quote, he has a bomb. Manchester police have not confirmed that there was an explosive device, but bomb disposal teams were on site working with, quote, suspicious items. So we're still waiting for more details about today's attack, but it did begin this morning. Morning with a car being driven into into the public.

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[C]

And where do people like that go.

[A]

To share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Banner. Thursday 2nd October, year of our Lord 2025. Thanks for sticking around for the late afternoon, early evening edition of the War Room. I've got my colleague Ben Harnwell from Rome and we've also got Peter McElvena. I want to go, Peter, you've been, you know, we stream you a couple times a week on your show Hearts of Oak. And I've made this and it's been a big deal, I guess in the British media that I believe our mother country, the United Kingdom, is rapidly spinning to a civil war and that the political apparatus right now cannot stop it. It's incapable of stopping it. And I keep saying the only person that could is possibly Nigel. And Nigel has never been as hardcore about immigration, although he's made as we have in the war and we have in the Trump movement in the United States. But even Nigel is coming our way because now Nigel, for the first time is talking about mass deportations. Talk to me about Manchester, this is the latest example. But you've sent me a series of stories. I mean, folks, this thing and the pushback of the English and British working class to me is just amazing. I get the St. George's flags, the flag of England, the Union Jack. You had the Tommy Robinson demonstration in the streets with 2 or 3 million people. So they ain't going down without a fight. They're not going to go down without a fight. And I think you can do this the easy way through politics and policy, which we always advocate for. But I'm telling you, the English working class is not going to just turn over their country and let a bunch of feckless, spineless politicians in a corrupt media sell their country out. Sir.

[D]

I don't know what I can add to that. Steve, I agree 100% and we're in a weird situation in the UK. I see Ben smirking, but we're the weird situation in the UK in that we are four years out from a general election, we are stuck with a hard left government, socialist government in Keir Stormer two tier care and we have a concerted government that aren't applying any pressure at all. Kemi Bednock has been an utter disaster in terms of providing Conservative pressure to associate government. Then on the other side you've got Nigel Farage applying huge pressure with Reform UK with six members of parliament out of 650 and the Conservatives have got 100 and whatever they've got, who knows. But it's Nigel Farage as playing the pressure and he has really hit his stride. And I've got many issues with Nigel in terms of engaging on the Islamization of the uk, Islamic immigration, but he's hit his stride in terms of immigration and he is taking it to the Labour Party. And this week we've had the Labour Party conference and he is hitting the ball. He is pushing the government to readdress their understanding of mass illegal immigration and the impact it has on the uk. And without Nigel, we would not be having this conversation. We have a government in that is doing horrendously in the polls and Nigel is fitting into that in providing the commentary for the public. And Steve, it's crazy if we had an election today in the uk, if we had an election today, Nigel Farage with Reform UK would go from 6 MPs to 315. I think just 6 or 8 seats short of a majority. He has done a phenomenal job on engaging with the public. He did it with Brexit, with the Brexit vote. He has done it at the moment with British politics in terms of a parliamentary system. And although he only has six MPs, he is hitting the ball so high in relation to the Conservative Party that are just part of the Uni Party. So you've got that. And then of course today you have, as you mentioned, that horrendous attack on a synagogue up in the northwest of England, up in Manchester, a big synagogue, five, 700 person synagogue. It was full at the time and you had an attacker that rammed the synagogue and then went out seemingly with an explosive vest wanting to blow up that synagogue. The police came within seven. I've never known the police to come in such a quick time. But they did their job, fair Jews to them. They responded and took out the attacker, shot him. He's been shot dead. I understand the rabbi of the synagogue had locked the doors to make sure they were protected. And on the day of Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, given to us in Leviticus, in Deuteronomy, where you actually go to God in repentance of your sins, it is a biblical festival. And therefore as a Christian I look back and respect that huge honour to the Jewish community. And in the Jewish community we have what, 300 odd thousand Jews in the UK, we have 10 to 15 times that in terms of the Islamic community. And we have seen the Jewish community pushed out of many traditional areas, especially in North London, they used to be traditionally Jewish and not become Islamic. And we are told no. Maybe 20 minutes ago that I gave.

[A]

This, I gave the speech at National Conservative Convention. I said, hey, ripping on Bibi. I said the problem, the central problem to Israel and the Jewish people ain't coming from Tehran, okay? It's coming from Sadiq Khan. What they've done to London and New York City is going to go that way. Now people say, well the Iran's funding, yes, partly, but it's bigger than that. And I'm telling you New York City is going to be just like London. I know you've got to bounce. I want to go through two things. Number one, can you even have the conversation? What is it about these speech laws? Every day I'm picking Up I get because I get feeds from England. I'm seeing people arrested, people with doors kicked down. Can you even have this conversation, a war room heated conversation in the United Kingdom right now? Or are the speech laws so draconian that they're trying to suppress even the ability to deal with this Islamization and neo Marxist crisis in British society?

[D]

Well, maybe I'm Philly Steve, because I love war room. I love being with you and I'm happy to talk to the US audience about what we face in the UK and you're right, what we have in London is a example of what you could have in New York. And I plead with the American audience, I plead with the American voters to recognize that and make a stand in New York to make sure New York does not come. London a standard that that's what I'll plead. But also on the second part, we have a huge, huge attack on our free speech. We don't have a first and second Amendment. We are here by the grace of God, not by our Constitution. We don't have any rights and we have 30 people a day being arrested. That was, I think the New York Times posted that back in August. It seems to be correct. We have people thrown in jail for hate crimes online, for posting a post online, they're put in jail within hours. And yet we have mass rapists going around the UK that supposedly ten years later the British government get into gear and engage in that. So we have online posts being much more hateful, much more concerned to UK cohesion over above burglaries, rapes, the grooming gangs, everything else happening the other side. And somehow we need a realignment to politics, engaged with what concerns the people on the streets. And I hope and pray you have the same conversation in the US and really I hope you do not have the individual that at the moment is polling to be top. There is always a hope, there's always change, there's always a chance to turn the the tide. And if only voters get out and engage, then you can hold yourself back from that horrendous opportunity.

[A]

What is this thing about the digital I'm seeing now things and it's not that I watch a lot of TikTok, but there I'm seeing these amazing spots made on this what digital Brit card that and I see Boris Johnson. I'm not going to get it. Are they actually trying to force, is the government trying to force that everybody will have a digital ID in the United Kingdom?

[D]

They are. And this is part of Tony Blair's legacy. My Understanding is that Tony Blair's son actually is key to the organization that wants to rule that out. And the British government have said that this is simply as an id. We have an id. We have a, you get a driving license, you get a provisional driver license. I think it costs like £10. You can get that. The barrier is so low and yet they want to roll out a digital id. And of course, the alarm bell start to ring. What does this mean? Is this a CCP credit score? Is this 15 minute cities? Is this controlling what we spend our money on? Is this part of the climate alarmism? Where does this come from? It doesn't make any sense because you can prove who you are with an id. And we're told this will stop the boats coming over from France. I've just hit 35,000. We will be at least 20% over what we were last year. Supposedly having a digital ID will stop.

[C]

The.

[D]

Gangs that are actually transporting people, the people traffickers. I can't imagine people traffickers coming over and showing a digital ID and that stopping it. It is a lie and the people see through it. Steve.

[A]

Peter, by the way, you mentioned, what would the people in England tell the people of the United States when President Trump says, hey, the Board of Peace, I'm going to be the chairman, but the viceroy is going to be Tony Blair? What advice would our brothers and sisters in the United Kingdom warn us about the potential of the American Gaza plan with Tony Blair as the viceroy?

[D]

Wow, where'd I go, Steve? Okay, in a minute or two, that fills anyone in the UK with dread. Tony Blair is an individual that is by and large headed by the British people. And to think that he will have a part to play in this new Gaza scheme, that really, really worries me. And I just trust that President Trump has an idea that he has a plan for this. And I know Blair has been thrown into the mix. We don't know exactly what part he will have to play. He's got his fingers in so many pies, he's been able to raise huge amounts of money and it worries me. So please keep Tony Blair out of it, Steve, please.

[A]

He's on the payroll. Half of those guys in the Gulf Emirates anyway. Peter, social media. How did he get your show? It's amazing. We put it up a couple times a week. Where do people go?

[D]

So Monday, Thursday, Saturday, 3pm Eastern. Tonight we've got Ken Blackwell, senior fellow, Family Research Council. And on Monday, we've got Jody Heiss, also Family research. Quite so weirdly so, so much happening And Ken joins us tonight. Talk about the, the shutdown, of course, but also family values and how that fits into the American dream and what it means. So at Hearts of Oak UK on X, at Hearts of Oak everywhere else.

[A]

What? I love it. You get the best guess. It's just incredible. Peter, I know you got to bounce. Thank you so much for carving some time out this evening. Thank you, sir. Well, I don't, I know we were set this up to do. There's so much going on in order to start. But I got to ask you, President Trump, when you're doing the, the complexity of the Gaza situation and you throw out Tony Blair's name, given that Tony Blair is on the payroll of everybody, how does that strike? I know you had to deal with it decades ago. How does that strike folks in the United Kingdom, do they take this as serious or do they take this somehow Tony Blair's in there with Cutter and others and there's going to be some sort of big grift.

[C]

Steve, I always hate following Peter McElveen on the show because he's so synthetic and so clear. It always makes, it makes me, makes it difficult to trump whatever he's doing. Look, but in answer to that question, you know, getting Tony Blair, who lied the country into the Gulf War on the basis of, of sexed up, those were his words, sexed up intelligence is rather like saying, I've got a, a house, a shelter for young women and I need someone to look after it. Who should I bring in? I know, let's bring in Joe Biden. You know, they can't be a worse person to come in with his history in the Middle east than Tony Blair. Put that aside. Put that aside. Staying on the theme of the UK and what you were asking Peter McElveen about just now about the ID cards. Look, here's this. I'm here in Italy, okay? There's been a national identity card here, the Carta D ident, which you have to carry on you at all times whenever you leave your house. And you also have to have what's called a codice fiscale and you cannot be employed legally in Italy without it. And both of those things simply serve to add bureaucracy onto the ordinary, regular, tax paying Italian or like me, permanent resident here. Go out into the field, Steve, especially out into the south of Italy. They're full, they're chock a block full with illegals. And you say, well, hang on, how does that happen? I thought you need to have like the official documents to be able to work In Italy. Well, it's one thing to have the bureaucracy and it's another thing to enforce it. That my fear for the UK is this, just like in Italy, the cost and the punishment, the penalization of this bureaucracy will fall on the shoulders as it always does on taxpayers. And those who are invisible to the system will be ignored. And I know that for a fact, Steve, because it's the UK government who's responsible. A succession of UK governments, let's be fair, that is responsible for the third world illegal invasion in the first place, right? They're the people who are letting this happen. If I were dictator of the UK in 60 seconds I would change it. Instead of having boats full arriving at the UK and returning to France empty, I would have them coming to the UK empty and returning full. It's easy to achieve if you have the political will. This government doesn't have the political will because it's not interested in representing the British people. Neither is the sham of the Tory party. Hence the that the fact that polls are saying that Nigel Farage is going to be on about three hundred and fifty MPs after the next election. That's why if all the government is interested in doing is producing these performative theatrical measures that aren't going to do anything to tackle the actual problem, I'm against it. I'm absolutely against it because I know that as I said, the bureaucracy, the hassle, the inconvenience will fall on those who are, who have nothing to do with the problem at hand. I add to that, Steve, as I pushed out on Getter yesterday, what this government is also now doing is bringing out live facial cameras right across the UK. Real sort of 1984 stuff, sort of homing in and sort of zapping everyone as they're going about their daily business. And now of course that's going to go into some database somewhere. This is what. Why is this what. What I called on Guetta? The anatomy of a betrayal is this. First you fill the country with an invasion of third world illegal invasions, then you sit there arms crossed and watch the resulting holocaust of crime, including violent crime, including sexual crimes against women and children. And then you clamp down on the thousand year old civil liberties against Britons in the uk. And finally you continue to do absolutely zero about the thing that caused the crime wave in the first place, which is the third World illegal invasion. It's the anatomy of a betrayal. So no, Steve, I'm not convinced and of course I do have strong libertarian instincts anyway. But if I thought it would do something to solve the underlying problem of the invasion. Perhaps I would give it a second look, but I can't because I know, because I know it won't. All they are interested in doing is performative theatrics in the hope that it will slate somewhat. The opposition that they see building day by day in the UK right now.

[A]

Is the, is the. Do I overstate the case that. Because I really do. I love England and come from an Irishman that that's saying something. Of course I love our native Ireland and I see the, I see it following England so rapidly because of the globalists that have sold out the people. But my fear, Ireland in this regard, it's starting, but it's years behind. But in England I actually see and someone who's been intimately involved in British politics and particularly the Brexit movement, supporting Nigel Farage and others of our colleagues over there and having Raheem and you as kind of co host and collaborators and sidekicks. Do I overstate the case that England, I think is hurtling towards not sliding anymore, but hurtling towards a potential civil war? Unless the political process actually kicks in and starts to take the corrective actions that you're talking about.

[C]

I think Nigel Farage is going to be the release on the pressure cooker that will stop that from happening. But if it weren't for Nigel. Yes, I think that's the what that would definitely what is coming closer sort of day by day, month by month, year by year. There are two things here, Steve. Right. There's the possibility of revolution and there's a possibility of civil war. And they are both responses to a particular set of circumstances that inside the system there's been a failure to acknowledge and deal with. That's why people have defaulted to systematic reform outside. I do think whilst it is absolutely a realistic possibility, I do think the UK is heading more towards revolution rather than civil war. Civil war is something I think is far more close to the United States over the next 20 or so years rather than say revolution. And as I say, these are particular context to do with what is precisely wrong with the system, wrong with the political system, wrong with the ability to respond to people's needs. But both of these things are ever present, not just in the uk, Steve, not just in the United States, but right across the western world.

[A]

Amazing. And I will say something about Nigel. Nigel is definitely coming closer to our position here in the United States with the MAGA movement. You know, Nigel, for years did not. It was only a couple weeks ago. I think it was six weeks ago that Nigel, for the first time started talking about mass deportations, mass deportations that had not been part of his. You know, he's much more, he's been adamant about warning about it and about solutions, but he hasn't gone to the solutions that ultimately, I mean, it's here, it's what's happening in the United States is why President Trump has sent the, has sent the Secretary of War to Memphis, why he's sending federalized National Guard into Portland. We are now entering the phase of going to the mass deportations and the pushback by the radicals in our country is over the top. I mean, they are, they are getting, not just getting in the way in law enforcement, they intend to harm law enforcement and to shut this down. So, and for us, it's absolutely must happen. And this is going to get, it's going to get nasty because the radical Democrats, the entire party, is built on illegal immigration or scamming the visa program. That's 100%. That's where their party is without that. That's why they fought so hard to have the census gun decked, which it was in 2020, without the illegal invasion, without illegal aliens, without scammers off of the legal immigration process. And legal immigration process, that's totally out of control. They don't exist. They're the Whigs and they know this. This is why this whole government shutdown is about. They've made it about the funding of illegal aliens, medical costs, and we're just adamantly opposed. It will never happen. It's nothing. It's not. This is why there's no negotiation. Nothing to negotiate, nothing to talk about. And so Nigel's coming our way. Why don't you hang on, Ben? We got so much more to go through and we're going to get into. We got an amazing article in the Atlantic about, about Vietnam. Also, I want to talk to Ben when we do come back about an increasing dangerous situation in Ukraine. Ukraine's a little out of the news, but there's so much going on as President Trump clearly is having frustration with why he can't get Putin to the table to actually make a deal. But now there's a, I think a major escalation that's going on that people aren't quite aware of. Gold at 3900. One of the things that drives gold is turbulence. The central banks look at gold as a hedge. Now they're looking at it as a major asset class because they understand having Euros and US Dollars is maybe not the best reserves to always have to be overloaded. It's the central banks purchasing with major financial institutions purchasing gold and making gold part of its asset class, which you never heard before. Never heard about hedge funds buying gold. Well, that's what's happening now. It's one of the reasons gold's over the price of 3900 bucks. We started with 1100. People just said never in a million years are going to get to 4,000. Well hey, we said last week, last week it said it's going to blow through 39. Went through 39 this morning as we started the morning show. Now it backs off every day you get it up and it's going to back off a little point and then the next day reach another high. We're not here to tell you oh go buy gold because 3900, we do not do that. We've never done that since 1100. Basically our situation with Birch Gould is to give you access to information so that you can think it through yourself. Ben says he's a libertarian. Libertarian is based upon self determination, self reliance. I'm not a libertarian but I absolutely believe that that is the core belief basis of our freedom. Not just as Englishmen or Irishmen, but as Americans. 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Yeah, yeah. You mentioned that Nigel Farage has only recently swung around to the position, I think six or so weeks ago, of the mass deportations. Look, the reason for that is that effectively Nigel Farage started his political career, say 30, 20, 20, 30 years ago where, where Margaret Thatcher left off. And there's a strong core of Thatcherism, I think, in a lot of what Nigel's saying. And the anti immigration thing historically hasn't been part of that mix. The reason that he swung round is not just because he's a populist, that's part of it. It's because he knows where the British people is. The Uni Party, comprised of the Tories and the Labour, have an almost autistic indifference about where the. Where, where the, where the, where the British people are. They see 3 million people coming out and marching behind Tommy Robinson carrying aloft photos and pictures of Charlie Kirk chanting his name. They see this and the only thing that they can do with the establishment, you say, oh, look, these guys are all white supremacists. They're all thugs. You look at the photos, you look at the footage. These are ordinary working families. It might have been true, Steve. Twenty years ago, this kind of rally would have had the thugs, the skinheads, the football hooligans, what have you. This is middle England that's coming out now. That is the transformation that has taken place in the face of the Third World illegal invasion. And our political establishment hasn't been able to recognize the transformation that that has caused amongst the sentiment of the British people. Nigel Farage has seen it, he has noted it. He has extremely sensitive political antennae and that's why he's turning around and saying, yep, mass deportations, it's the only thing that's going to work in the uk. And that's the difference between him and the Uni Party, the two wings of the Uni Party. And that is why, Steve, to pick up the point that Peter McElver was saying in the first half of the show, with only six members of parliament out of a parliament of 650 MPs, Nigel Farage has more, what he says and what he thinks has more dramatic impact on the political agenda.

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I can just say right now, we're not going to get to the McMur thing, which is monument. We'll figure that out. Because we got to address that on McNair and Vietnam. And the analogy they're making to the day. How did it. And this is what shocks me because I consider myself a student of British history and particularly the Empire. And my love for the Royal Navy and for Admiral Nelson is really what got me into it. I don't understand. You have to help me here. How did our mother country. And if you study the American Revolution. To me one of the most fascinating parts is the debates in England about the. It's nothing we're taught in American schools at all. This was Great Britain's Vietnam. You had Englishmen essentially saying at the beginning of an empire, which at the same time you were doing India. They were the two footings of what's going to be a massive empire run by Englishmen. And our guys opted out. And particularly opted out, which is not taught, I think even in England enough. The monopolistic power of things like the Crown gave the British East India Company. You know, our guys, I say our revolutionary generation were one deal lawyers, right? Real estate speculators like General Washington or free birders and smugglers like Hancock and Sam Adams. But they were entrepreneurs and they didn't want part of this. They wanted out. But the debates in Commons are absolutely. With Edmund Burke and these guys are absolutely amazing. How did this. That institution. And even the debates in the 30s leading up to World War II and how the British comported itself with Church owns this. How did it deteriorate to a political class that is paralyzed? The one thing you say about the Brits, throughout their history, they ain't been paralyzed. They built the greatest empire since the Roman Empire before the American Empire. But they were never paralyzed. Their political elite, your political elite are such second and third tier. They're so mediocre, beyond mediocre compared to what you see in British arts with British industry, British finance. And they're absolutely paralyzed by a media that obviously and consistently lies to the American, lies to the British people stupidly. Like BBC. The BBC stuff is ridiculous. How dumb it is. How have you had what used to be considered, I guess the world's really leading democracy in a parliament that set the standard of which the Americans kind of used as a. Because remember the Senate's really the House of Lords and the House of Representatives, the House of Commons close to the people every two years. How do we get to a situation that your institutions are frozen by actions they've taken and they can't Come they can't get themselves out of it, sir.

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Okay, let's look at the similarities between the US and the UK Historically. The genius between the two systems was that we had in both countries we had a political class that was motivated to an equal extent by cynicism and idealism in both cases. And now there's no idealism, it's just pure cynicism. That's part of the response. Another part of the response is the omnipresence of media that for generations, for decades and generations has formed both people's brainwashed them with propaganda and that picks up directly on what you were just saying about the BBC had a tremendously corrosive effect on the British people, I can tell you. A tremendously corrosive effect. The BBC. The other thing I would have to throw into the mix if we're talking about the deterioration in the body politics of both countries would be the widening of the suffrage of who can vote, the universal suffrage. Now everyone who is basically looking at this now and coming up with their own ideas of what precisely went wrong. But I think that the fundamental shtick. No, no, the fundamental factor here in the degradation of our political life is that people have had a vote without having any valuable input into the system which they have now have a say in. That's fundamentally the issue. Look, the Americans from the Boston Tea Party onward had this expression no taxation without representation. I'd invert it. I'd say no representation without taxation. I would say because the technology's now here, you know, with the Brit card that we're going to have, it'll make even easier. The technology is here to know who on net contributors to the system and who are not. Who are net recipients. You know, perhaps after. If we're gonna, if we're gonna go to a civil war and, or revolution, I think out of the ashes. When we're looking at what went wrong, what we could do better next time perhaps not do this universal suffrage thing again because all it does is it gives people who have no. It no positive net contribution to the system a means to vote for themselves the wealth of their, of their neighbors. But worse than that, it's. Nothing has exploded the national debt than, than the fiat press and, and, and universal suffrage put together. And these two things are absolutely.

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But when you say, when you say, when you say, when you say universal suffrage, you're not talking about women voting, right? You're not, you're not going.

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No, not at all.

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Manosphere on me. Correct. Okay. You're talking about. I don't want to say it's Mitt Romney, but this is something Mitt. This is something Mitt Romney brought up. With the 47% that don't pay any federal tax, you're saying that the inclusion of people that are basically wards of the state, allow them to vote. You're going to just get more broader services and payments to the wards of the state without the economic engine that can. That can pay for that. Correct?

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Yeah. I mean, I'd have put it in different words, but that is. That is exactly the system. That is exactly what you get. And it's degrading the political. It's degrading the political system.

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I told you, Ben's a libertarian. That's libertarian, one of them. That's great. I got it. I don't agree with it, but hang on. You're one of the smartest guys I know. I gotta do this because you and I have to address this together. We're now going to pivot to our favorite topic, the Catholic Church. Let's go ahead and play. I tell you, Ben, it's hard to shock me as much as we've seen together and working together and with Andrew and everything. It's hard to shock me. But when I saw this first, I literally thought it was a Saturday night. I thought it was a Saturday Night Live skit. I had to be convinced after watching half a dozen times that it actually took place. Let's go. This is a couple days ago in the Vatican. Let's go ahead and play. This Lord of life, bless this water. May it awaken our hearts, cleanse our indifference, soothe our grief and renew our hope through Christ our Lord. You were listening in and didn't get to see. You have the Pope go over to an iceberg, a big huge block of ice that is melting with a bunch of people in this weird set. And he takes the time and he puts his head over it and he blesses it. Then he comes back and he's going to go to essentially religious service. Now, they said this is the blessing of the waters, which is something we have done in traditional times, like the rivers and, you know, in these ceremonies to thank God for the seasons and for the growing season, all that. That's not what this was. This was an absolute pagan ceremony. And I hate to say that Stephen K. Bannon warned everybody. I'm the only person on earth that came out publicly beforehand and said Prevost was going to be the Pope. And I said, exactly why Prevost is going to be the Pope. He's Actually more radical than Francis, but he's a pleasanter personality. He's much more articulate. He's a gentle guy. He's got the best optics. And the American donors who really drive, who really put up all the money for the church, which is now broke, are going to feel very comfortable because he's going to have them. He's going to give them the plaques that bless their marriage after 25 years, and he's going to go to conferences. This is a pagan ceremony. If you're a Catholic, and I read most of our audience is evangelical or Jewish or maybe agnostics, there are lots of Catholics in the audience. But if you're a Catholic, you believe to the core of your being he is the representative of Jesus Christ on earth in an unbroken chain that goes back for 20, 25 years. And what happened right there is a pagan ceremony that talks about, you know, the climate change. The climate change is just a pagan religion of Gaia, of Mother Earth, being like a living being, Right? Like a living being that is to be worshiped. And right there you saw, under the guise of climate change and global warming, the worship of Mother Nature. That's a pagan ceremony. Therefore, if you're the vicar of Christ and you engage in and lead a pagan ceremony, you lose the stamp, right, of being the vicar of Christ on Earth. Now, Ben Harnwell, where am I wrong in that?

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You're not wrong in any place on that, Steve. Let me zoom out a bit. I know we've got. I've only got a couple of minutes left now. Let me zoom out a bit. On a recent Wednesday evening show that we do once a week with Liz your and Frank Walker, we discussed the fact that POTUS put out a statement to celebrate with Christians, effectively Catholics, because this is a Catholic thing, the feast day of St. Michael the Archangel. And there's nothing more Catholic really, than doing that. I'm praying to Saint Michael the Archangel as a protection against Satan. And I made the suggestion on our Wednesday show that really what you're seeing here, because only POTUS could really, only President Trump could really get away with this. He's at the apex now, the political inspiration for evangelicals, but also for traditional Catholics together, one in the same person who straddles both, and he can really be the bridge. And I suggested that the Holy Spirit might be using President Trump as the bridge between traditional Catholics and conservative evangelicals. And I think that's a beautiful thing. And I pointed out as well that Charlie Kirk was carrying a medallion to St. Michael the Archangel. When he was shot. Split screen. So that's, that's what the Holy Spirit is doing via the American President, the successor to St. Peter. Okay. An old expression that the Catholics used to use The Bark of St. Peter to refer to that as the Catholic Church. That is to say the fisherman's boat belonging to Peter in which Christ came in and preached from the bark of St. Peter has effectively hit an iceberg. That is my metaphor from that screen. That is the bark of St. Peter, like the Titanic bang into this iceberg. Let me be clear, Steve, about what I'm talking about here, right? Inverted commas. Pope Leo has just put up a giant middle finger and I'm sorry to be so graphic about this. He's put a giant middle finger right in the face of traditional Catholics and conservative evangelicals. This is scandalizing. Also Christians outside of the Catholic communion. And I'm very glad he has done this right, because Steve Yu, this show, the War Room, Frank walker, Tyler Cannon, 212. Chris Jackson. Right. We are very, very few indeed. And you are absolutely correct that you were the only guy in media coming out saying, warning about the election of Cardinal Prevost, right? We have been very few indeed over the last four months warning about this papacy in the face of tradinc that has been grifting the. Oh, look, he had the red Mozzetta when he came out on the Loggia. Let's give, let's give Leo some time, right? We have been proved right. It pains me to say this, it pains me to say what the so called Pope is doing is literally scandalous. But you know, where man sins, God can bring about a greater good. The greater good will be this. Faithful Catholics do not give this hierarchy your docile obedience. What we must do, and I say this again and again and again on the show, what we must do as Catholics is take the running of our church out of the hands of these corrupt atheists, these corrupt pagan atheist communists and reset the Catholic Church on the path according to Jesus Christ. And if, if you, if you, if you don't get that message after watching this, this video, folks, then I will pray for you that you find the courage because that will happen and we have to make it happen.

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Ben, social media, very profound. Where do people go to to follow you? The shows you do now and the, and all the great commentary you put up.

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Thanks, Steve. On get as my social media platform of choice, tap in my surname Harnwell. And if you think folks, that you've heard provocations here on the show, just scroll the top of my feed.

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And we've got to get. We have to have you on you and I have to discuss Ukraine. Very serious situation there as we slide into the kinetic part of the Third World War. Ben, thank you so much.

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Thanks, Steve.

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