
WarRoom Battleground EP 864:: Dems Lose Out In The Schumer Shutdown; We Need More Indictments ...
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people. Christians not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. 6 October 2025, Monday day of action the fleet activity yesterday, amazing kind of rolled through the day. A rejuvenating, recharged President Trump as he tries to bring peace to the Middle east and to the rest of the world, Ukraine, all of it fast. Three of, I think the smartest guys around to join us. Roger Kimball, Dr. Bradley, you thank Thayer and Ben Harnwell. Roger Kimball, I'm gonna start with you. Tell me about this piece you've written. The kind of the difference between President Trump's first term and the second. Because we're seeing he's got a very different cut of the jib, as we say in the Navy, and much more kind of, I don't know, purposefulness or just, just more energy, more focused and really taking on trying to create world peace or bring world peace to the bloodlands in Ukraine and to the, you know, the Middle east and also trying to put down an insurrection here at home. Sir, the floors on this magnificent article.
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Yes, well, the. Not only is the jib cut differently, but the spinnaker has been deployed and we have the wind behind us. It's really quite extraordinary what's going on in this second term. It is like night and day between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0. Of course, it got off to a bang with his inauguration address. I mean, no sooner was that the ink dry on that address than he issued all these executive orders outline diversity, equity and inclusion throughout the federal government within the opening days of his second administration. And it's not just the executive orders, it's actually the will to see that these orders are accomplished. So in my article yesterday for American Greatness, I dilated especially on Pash Patel's emancipation of the FBI from the racist organizations, such racist organizations as the Anti Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law center, which pretends it's been around since the 1970s. They pretend to be fighting bigotry and racism and so on. Actually, what they're expert at is lining their own pockets. It's a not for profit that has something like half a billion dollars in the bank. Banks, by the way, that are. Many of which are offshore, like in the Cayman Islands and so on. But what they bas is they're in. They're kind of a protection racket. They're shaking people down. They've published for many years now what they call a hate map. A hate map. And if you go look at it, you see all these little circles, and these are supposed to be individuals and institutions that are fomenting hate around the country. I was happy to see, by the way, that one Stephen K. Bannon in War Room makes the cut. You're there as a faux mentor of hate. What they mean, of course, is that you have opinions that differ from the left, progressive identity politics that they are attempting to foist on the country. So they use phrases like far right, because adding that adjective at the beginning makes it sound scarier. Or they use the term alt right. That sounds even scarier. But what they mean is somebody who actually cares about the institutions, the history and the culture of this country. And so it is. It was. It's wonderful that Kash Patel has emancipated the FBI from this. From this horrible institution they were feeding, not only the FBI, but in the bad old days before Elon Musk took it over what used to be called Twitter, they would feed them the names of people, of institutions that they should censor, that they should kick off Twitter. This would be people like the President of the United States, for example, or the New York Post, or Miranda Devine, who reported for the New York Post on Hunter Biden's laptop, which we were assured was a Russian hoax. At the time, we had 51 intelligence officers or former intelligence officers vouchsafing for this. But of course, it turned out it wasn't Russian intelligence. It was. It was Hunter Biden's own laptop full of compromising information. So it's. That's what the article is about. And I think anything that can be done to undermine the Southern Poverty Law center is all to the good, because like so many Democratic initiatives, they are basically in the business of projection. That is to say, they are guilty of the very thing that they accuse other people of. So they keep going on and on about racism and bigotry and divisiveness. There is no more divisive institution in this country than the so called Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Do you think and I think it's great you're going after adl, you're going after Southern Poverty Law Center. I also think we ought to people should start gearing up big civil suits against these bankrupt them go after their donors. Think we definitely have to go after their donors and all of it. It's one of those things. Unless you get to the roots of it and pull out the roots and put the fear of God into the people actually finance this. Not just the front, not just the people work at adl. Rosenblatt and that crowd, they're all corrupt and a bunch of Marxists and have done. Have done more damage to the Jewish people than any other organization I can think of.
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It's one of the reasons they're one of the reasons that the polling's so horrible about in regards to the Jewish people in the country. It's because of ADL and groups like ADL. But do you think in this 2.0 walk me through actually getting to the heart of the beast because you've got to deconstruct the administrative state of which Russ Vogt is all triggered on now doing with the shutdown and we know that as I said the Elon thing was Elmo's thing was what a six year old child thinks of and that's why nothing happened with it. But more importantly the deep state. Do you think we're aggressively enough. I haven't seen perp walks yet. Do you think we're. Because we're burning daylight and you know the deep state is just trying to wait Trump out, sir.
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Yes. Well they've got three and a half years to go and then they have eight years of JD Vance or Marco Rubio and then eight more years of be either JD Vance or Marco Rubio. So they're going to have. It's going to be a long wait now of course if I don't.
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I could not disagree with you more. I think, I think, I think if you're looking at that that's a fantasy but we'll deal with that another time to deal with the reality. We say three and a half years. We say three and a half years. They're trying to block him right now for Keem Jeffries wins the midterm if Hakeem Jeffries wins the midterm if. And by the way, it's not if we don't get the 21 seats redistricted. He wins the midterm first thing he does is impeach Trump. All the tech bros. The tech bros. Absolutely are on the trigger to jump on it. So you can't. Don't give me 24 years. That's emancipatory fantasy. Let's deal with reality.
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Okay, so you're right. If they were to win in 2026, if they took back the House, the very first thing that they would do is impeach Trump. I don't think he wouldn't be convicted because I'm pretty sure we're going to hold the Senate. I think it's likely that we'll hold the House. I mean, Hakeem Jeffries is not doing so well these days. I mean, I agree he looks good in a sombrero, but that's about all you can say for him. His poll ratings are in the tank as far as I can see. But you're quite right. We are being aggressive. Are we sufficiently aggressive? I don't know, but I think Russ Boyd is doing the right thing. Listen, this shutdown, this Schumer shutdown, they are hurting themselves. Who are the employees that are going to get laid off? They're all Democrats. There are all these federal employees that are all Democrats. So it's actually quite clever of Trump to do this because he can. It's not just going to be furloughed. He's going to get rid of the. He's going to get rid of the entire, entire, you know, swaths of federal employees, which will all be Democrats. And who are they going to blame? They're not going to blame Donald Trump. They're going to blame Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. So I'm cautiously optimistic, let us say. But I agree that we need to.
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But Russ. But Russ. Okay, but Russ is the administrative state. He will take some shots at the deep state. But that intersection, the intersectionality of intelligence, law enforcement, national security, the arms makers, all that, that form the deep state. Are you comfortable right now that we're. I think we're burning daylight. Are you comfortable now that we're actually taking that apart, like it has to be taken apart?
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Well, there always could be more done. But the. If you compare what's going on right now to what was going on in 2017, I think it's, as I said at the beginning, it's like day and night. We're doing a lot today. We could do more. We could do more. But I think one step at a time. You said, where are the perp walks? Well, let's see. What happens on Thursday, that is when former FBI Director James Comey is arranged. Will there be a purple. Maybe. Maybe. That would be good, in my opinion.
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Well, it would be good. Let me go.
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I'm just going to say very quickly, I disagree with some friends of mine who think that it's totally outrageous that we are. That Comey has been indicted. I think he is right in the center of the biggest political scandal in our history. Right deep. Right there in the center.
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What is that, Roger? What, What? Walk it. Walk the Russian, because I say this indictment is just, it just, just, just an appetizer. Walk me through why he's central, a central figure on the biggest political scandal in American history.
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Well, because it was, remember, it was he and Barack Obama and Joe Biden and John Brennan and Susan Rice and a couple of other people in that meeting in the oval office on January 5, 20, 2017. This was the kind of the second big meeting to how were they going to prevent Trump from either taking office or failing that, how were they going to destroy him? He was right in the center of that. So. And that, of course, I mean, the. He. What was he indicted for? Well, he was indicted for the same thing that Mike Flynn was indicted for, except or Roger Stone. But he didn't have the FBI banging on his door at six o' clock in the morning with CNN alerted beforehand and so on. So I think we're going to see that he is more deeply implicated in all of this than we understand at the moment. I think there will be some additional counts to these indictments layered on here in due course.
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Do you think the reason in 17 that we didn't get the traction going with the deep state was the very fact of the conspiracy they had based on taking out Trump's major players also.
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To he didn't have any. Who was in his cabinet, who, you know, he had. They made sure that he didn't have any reliable people next to him. And of course, the Department of Justice at that time was littered with people who were either feckless or enemies of Trump. I mean, his attorney general, the first thing he did was to recuse himself. I mean, in other words, he wasn't as the movie Godfather, but he was not a wartime consigliere. And that's what Trump needed. That's what he needs now. And I believe that's what he's got with Pam Bondi.
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Roger, last thing before you go, what would be indications that they're taking it to the next level in 2.0 about getting to the core Problems of this government, the deep state, the administrative state, for instance. The reason Russ Vote has not pulled the trigger on a massive RIF program is not the Democrats, but it's Wall street, the corporatist and rhino Republicans all over President Trump this weekend saying, oh no, no, no, no, no, we can't do that. It'll cause chaos. So what's the indicator you're looking for to show that we're going next level?
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Well, I think if we need some serious, we need more indictments, it would be nice to see some people actually held to account for their assault on the Constitution and the office of the presidency. I think it will probably happen. I would not be at all surprised. Some people say it's a fantasy, but I would not be at all surprised to see Hillary Clinton indicted. Personally, I think she should be. But we'll see. We'll see. You say we're burning daylight. We are. But he's done an extraordinary amount in seven or eight months.
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Accomplish more, I think than any president of the United States, including FDR, has done in his first 250 days has been extraordinary.
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Amazing.
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Roger, what are your coordinates? Where do people get. You've got a book publishing company, you write articles, you write books. Where do people go for all of it?
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Well, Twitter or X is probably a good place because everything winds up there. I'm just starting a sub stack very soon, but heck, there we are. It's just my name at X. I.
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Can'T wait to start the sub stack. That's amazing. Roger Kimball, one of the great intellectual lights, public intellectuals of the MAGA movement. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.
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Thank you, Steve. Take care.
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Thayer, I want to use you as the bridge to get to Ben Hart where we're going to talk about the fall of the French government and maybe Ukraine, Middle east yesterday. You've been a great, you're a great theoretician and strategist about naval strategy. You also know a couple, three things about the invasion in our country and the terrorism. And you've been one of the architects behind the scenes of some of these terrorists ideas in how to get things rolled up in places like Portland and Chicago. Give me your thoughts on what Roger Kimball just said, that 2.0 is very different than 1.0. And where does 2.0 take us, sir?
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Well, Roger is exactly right in terms of the direction, is a very positive direction. Burning daylight, to be sure, as he stressed and as you have many times, in terms of what we need to accomplish. The first administration was clearly in so many respects right. Essentially an ISR mission. Right. Essentially intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, finding out what needs to be done and how to get it done. Now, with the second administration that's being implemented, I don't think anybody is satisfied, of course, with the totality of what needs to be done. But in a practical sense, Steve, so much has been accomplished in these months by the administration. We really have just gone through, however, the first layer or the second layer of really the nine layers of Troy. Right. Schliemann had to go through eight different Troys to get to the historical Troy. Right. So we've gone through maybe the first layer and the second layer, but we've got so many to do. Going after the law firms, which President Trump did, that's tremendous progress. Going after the universities, certainly. But I was also struck by what Marjorie Taylor Greene said when you interviewed her last week. None of this is essentially institutionalized. Right. Congress hasn't done anything of note in the president's agenda. And so, as you, again, have stressed many times, they're just waiting them out. They're waiting President Trump out. So, so much has been done with executive orders. So much has been done really, in moving ahead with, as on September 25, the identification of domestic terrorist organizations, going after antifa, the donors of the Democrats, the media, the Democratic Party, of course, politicians are going to be wrapped up in that as well. Rogers stressed the indictments. That's critically important for accountability, which is absolutely necessary. But in 2.0, in the second Trump administration, there also has to be the very positive agenda of making life better, of course, for working people, for the American people, for those who voted for him and are fundamentally the base Trump is working on, that his administration is. But he's not getting help from anybody, in essence, on that agenda in the Republican Party on the Hill, or Republican donors or Big Tech or others who might be helping him, but who are not. Fundamentally, Steve, to my mind, the greatest accomplishment of what President Trump is doing in the second term is restoring the American spirit. He has touched on this directly or indirectly since the election, when he went to Notre Dame, if you remember, in Paris in December. Right. That was a theme, really, of his presence there. It was in his inauguration. And we saw it most recently in Quantico last week when he addressed, of course, the admirals and the generals. And then yesterday, of course, in his speech to the Navy, celebrating the 250th anniversary of the Navy reawakening the American spirit, reaching out to Western civilization. Right. That we're also seeing allies in the UK with United kingdoms, Tommy Robinson and others, Nigel Farage groups, of course, in Italy, France, Germany and elsewhere. I think it's fundamentally the most important thing that he's accomplished thus far. Much to be done in that regard, to be sure. But reawakening the American spirit, which entails a reawakening of a renaissance of Western civilization, is so important and what he's driving at, so many layers to go through, much to be accomplished. Again, burning daylight, as we always stress. But that is, I think, for Trump will be remembered for many things. But to my mind, that's one of the most fundamental things for which he's going to be remembered and is going to accomplish in his time remaining in office. Again, much has been done, but much more to be done in that regard. So he's clearing the layers out, many layers to go through as the archaeologist. But he's got his essentially hammer and tongs or he's got his trowel or whatever archaeologists use as their tool to go through those layers. Very importantly.
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Well, my thoughts are these. First, it was an extremely important event because the military in each military service, of course, is the product of a country. It's a product of the society. So the US Navy is a product of America and American greatness. And the best of what America is was on display yesterday, as it was on June 14 in the Army's 250th birthday and it will be again on November 10 when we celebrate the Marine Corps. So that was extremely important and it really ties into a restoration of the American spirit which President Trump is advancing, recognizing what These services have accomplished what they have done through their august history is absolutely important. Additionally, it's right to celebrate the Navy and the other services because by so doing, you educate and inspire Americans. Recruitment is recruitment. Problems under Biden have disappeared. Now people want to join the services. It also reminds our friends and our enemies of American power. Right? The US army and the US Navy are formidable fighting services, the world's most formidable. They've never failed to meet their missions. And those missions are multiple, of course, but they've never failed to meet any of them. If we're talking about the Navy from the Gator Navy in support of amphibious operations, to see dominance, of course, of the big fleet. So it educates Americans, it sends messages to friends and foes that the Americans do indeed, as Teddy Roosevelt said, have a very big stick in the United States Navy. It also gave us, I think, finally, Steve, the occasion to reflect on the history, but also prospectively to look to the future. It was to recognize what the Navy had done in conjunction with sister services throughout the history of the United States Navy. Lake Champlain, for example, saved the United States in The War of 1812, the Battle of Lake Champlain, when the British were trying to split New England from the rest of the United States and might have gotten away with it. Or the three battles of the Atlantic, of course, in World War I, World War II and the Cold War. The sacrifice of American submariners, of course, In World War II, when we lost 52 submarines, basically about 20% of submariners, horrific casualties that they suffered. But prospectively, it allows us to appreciate that, as the Navy says, ships don't fight, but men do. Right. It's the morale of the US Navy and of the services. It's the recognition of the great admirals and other leaders, as well as enlisted leader, chief petty officers who've led the Navy, who've dealt with the adverse challenges the Navy has faced as a service, but also to meet the challenges that we face today, whether that's going to be in the Pacific facing the Chinese Communist Party's People Liberation Army Navy, which is a formidable challenge or other challenges that were faced around the globe, the Navy is there, a forward deployed force, and ready to fight. So despite the challenges, right, which are going to be considerable and much needs to be done in terms of the infrastructure of the shipbuilding, as was stressed yesterday, and some other elements, we need to recognize that the Navy has contributed mightily, of course, to American security, has never failed in any of its missions. And it and its sister services, of course, are a product of what makes America great, but also a reflection of the greatness of the American experiment, of American society. And thank goodness we have so many men and women who are willing to serve, have served in the past, are presently serving and will serve in the future to ensure the United States is safe and secure. So it was a great day and it's right and proper that we take we stop a moment and reflect on really what the military has provided us and what the military gives society, but at the same time, what the military draws from American society at the same time. So great occasion. And November 10th for the Marine Corps, I'm sure will be will be as well.
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There'll be there'll be some announcements later in the week about Marine Corps 250, of course, real America's voice war room will do an entire live production on that for the entire day when it's announced. Dr. Thayer, social media, where do people go to get your ratings?
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Steve? Brad Thayer at X or Bradley Thayer on Getter and at Truth as well. Thanks very much, Steve, for doing that for the army on June 14 and then for the Navy yesterday and then I would anticipate for the Marine Corps on the 10th. Very valuable to have that coverage west point.
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It's great. Dr. Thayer, thank you so much. Look forward to having you on Marine Corps 250. Dr. Thayer, one of the smartest geopolitical minds around. So, Ben Harnwell, we got Ukraine, we have the Middle east. But I want to get in front of people something that's going to be quite important here very shortly, the fall of France. I've been very vocal, Ben, as you know, about talking about the coming civil war in the United Kingdom unless dramatic action is taken. I don't actually think it can wait for a Nigel Farage premiership or being prime minister that could take place in, I guess, four years. I think action needs to be taken in England now. I know that you're beloved mother country in France. I actually think France is in worse shape when you look under the hood. And today a government that came in 28 days ago fell after 14 hours of naming their new cabinet. Why is this debt and deficits also the Islamization of French society? Give me walk our audience through. We got Ukraine, you got the Middle east. But this situation in Western Europe and France, and this is what galls me so much, brother, you and I talked Macron came here six weeks ago and sat in the Oval Office and he's the biggest talker. You know, he's little Napoleon. He's going to provide Troops. He's going to do this, he's going to do that. They're stone cold broke, on the verge of bankruptcy. They can't sell a 30 year bond because people don't know if they're going to be around in 30 years. Ben Harnwell, the floor is yours sir.
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Well, so many of these themes. Good evening to you, Steve. So many of these themes that you just mentioned in your question joined together the Ukraine situation, the French political instability, the UK instability. There is a relationship between these things. But starting off from the bonds, the 30 year bonds, let's just always remember now as we're talking about France, that a couple of weeks ago, Fitch, one of the four great ratings agencies of sovereign debt, downgraded France because not only of its present dire financial situation, but the perpetual future. The instability in the future meant that the confidence in its bonds was now starting to fault. I think it was a downgrade from something like AAA to AA or something like that. It was slight, but it was significant for a euro zone country. And Steve, as you always say, the bond market gets a vote. So that's the French situation. Now people perhaps following this from the United States might not have heard of Sebastian Lecount. As you say, he was only nominated less than a month ago as Prime Minister. Within 24 hours of naming his cabinet. It was no confidence in Parliament. There are technical reasons as to why the Republicans, the center right political faction with about 50 deputies, pulled out of this coalition so soon. They opposed, they say they opposed the nomination of former Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire as Defense Minister on the grounds of his profligacy when he was, when he was Finance Minister. It stretches credibility somewhat to think that's, that's the real issue. I think the situation is, is that the political parties in the French National Assembly, Steve, realized that Macron's personal ratings are now through the floor. So obviously he's not going to want to call fresh elections. He did that last year and that's what really hamstrung him in terms of the situation. Parliament now, the French parliament, where there is no party that is able to command an overall.
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Ok, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Just explain it to me. How can they continue? I mean in the parliamentary system you'd have in England, you'd be calling new elections. How can he keep rotating guys? Are they the ones that try to put together a coalition that's an anti front nationale and does he have the ability to keep just tossing the baton to somebody until they get something that can last Longer. I mean, this latest government was 28 days, brother. 14 hours after they announced the cabinet. And here's the problem. This is why folks here in the United States got to understand, this is what this could be us. This is about deficits at 7% of GDP. They can't finance it because they ain't the prime reserve currency. We can keep printing money. Did I mention gold? Close to 4,000. This is one of the reasons in France they don't have that luxury. They've got to make significant cuts to budget. And they first tried it, what, about six months ago or a year ago, when they tried to take it out of domestic programs for the workers and saved all their empire, particularly in Levant and North Africa. And this is where Front national goes, no, we're not doing that. We're not an imperial power anymore. Macron, you've got to give up your belief that you're the new Napoleon. We need to stop that. But they still haven't sorted this out. The reason these governments don't get any traction is they haven't dealt with the tough issues of actually how they're going to bring their spending in line with their revenues, which is a massive gap. Ben Harnwell, where to start?
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Steve yeah, France isn't an imperial power anymore. It was, it was a colonial power, but it's now really much been overrun by its former colonies. In terms of the financial discipline, I have to say, to give Macron his due, he did try to bring the, the very generous French welfare system under control, reducing by a year or extending by a year the age at which French become pensioners, go and take their pension, retire. I think it was like from 60 to 61 or something ridiculous like that. And that's really one of the things you hit on it here. This is really one of the things that he's going to try to keep this going for two years and not call elections again because he wants to safeguard that reform. That's very unpopular with the French people. But the problem is, you know, that in and itself could probably be welcome. STEVE but the problem is, how do you tail the French? I don't want to say that they are sort of notoriously lazy on the war room, but the French are notoriously lazy. How do you tell them once you force them to spend an extra year going, going through the motions of actually working and producing something, when at the same time you can find money for Ukraine? That's the problem that hits the heart of the French situation and also the British system and right across. Look, having Mentioned Ukraine. I want to stay on the French political situation, but I have to quickly get Ukraine in right back three years ago when this war started. Steve, we said on this show once this had become apparently clear that it was apparent that it was a war of attrition. We said on this show this war isn't going to be won on the battlefield in Donbass or anywhere else in Ukraine. It will be, it will be finished decisively in the ballot boxes of the European nations and the American, you know, the countries that are financing the Ukraine end of the attrition war. So something that happened yesterday which is extremely important and that's the fact that in the Czech Republic they now have Czechia as it's now called. Andre Babish is the new Prime Minister. He was prime minister a few years ago. Important I'm flagging this up, Steve, because he won on an anti Ukraine platform and it now looks if he's going to go into coalition with the, the anti NATO and anti EU SPD to get himself the 108 deputies to form the next government in, in the Czech Parliament that's important because he's now able to ally himself with Robert Feet. So in Slovakia, the war room posse will remember the assassin, the abortive assassination attempt on him last year and also Viktor Orban in, in Hungary. So you now have three countries that are quite openly agitating against continuing, continuing to finance this war in Ukraine. So let's park that there and just say that there is movement going on on the domestic political front in Europe and that's very important as the way things go forward. Let's go back to France. You mentioned the arithmetic. Okay, so by my calculation, Steve, the far right and the left wing hold 320 in the French national assembly, whereas the centrists and the allied conservatives got up to 210. So it really is an attempt to stop the inevitable from happening. The big question I think for the French Republic specifically, specifically their judiciary, their magistracy is whether they're going to allow Marine Le Pen to appeal her prohibition five year prohibition on public office before the, the next presidential elections are set for 2027. At the moment she's prohibited quite unusually in continental Europe. They said that the, the earliest the lower court sentence was executive, let's just say in effect even bought before she'd exhausted all of her stages of appeal, which is not normal to the European system. So that, so they pulled that blinder to blocker. But it, Steve is looking very seriously like if she's allowed to stand she will undoubtedly win the next presidential election because this whole Macron government now serves or non government. Its sole function for the next two years is to stop the national rally from winning the presidency and the Legislative assembly at the next election.
A
Okay, we're going to hang, we're going to hang on there. I want to delve more into the Czech situation tomorrow, the next day, a very, very, very important, particularly guy that's now considered a populist. Right? They're all populists. Everybody wants to be a populist. Ben Harnwell, your commentary and observations on Getter are second to none. What is your social media? Where do people go?
D
Steve, you always say they talking about Andre Babish, that in general. Right. You always say they all come round in the end. And he is being described as the Czech Trump to some degree of fairness that that is an accurate description of him. Okay, I'm on get. It's my social media platform of choice. Type in my surname, Harnwell and you will find lots of offensive gratuitous provocations at the top of my feed awaiting your, your attention and amusement. Thanks, Steve. God bless.
A
Yeah, like, like, like you would never, you would never ever say the French are lazy on War Room, except the French are lazy. Hang on. On Wednesdays real quickly, give me 30 seconds on the Wednesday show. And now every so often your Friday show, Steve.
D
On Wednesday we have the show. It's building quite a following actually. It's unusual for a largely evangelical audience for a program to try this, but we have, I think one of the most important shows on traditional Catholicism on the War Room every Wednesday evening. Not exclusively Catholicism, but we're really drilling down now in the most flagrant, abusive, what we call the middle finger in your face from the, from the so called Pope. And we're starting to create ripples on that. And on Friday, Steve, we have one hour just to go in depth with European figures who are involved in some way in breaking news.
A
It's amazing. These two shows are incredible. You break a lot of news on there. Ben Harnwell, thank you so much for joining us on this Monday to kick the week off in the War Room.
D
Thanks, Steve. God bless.
A
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Date: October 6, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Roger Kimball, Dr. Bradley Thayer, Ben Harnwell
This episode of War Room delves into the repercussions of the so-called "Schumer Shutdown," analyzes the evolving strategy and energy of Trump’s second term, calls for deeper accountability and more indictments of former political and bureaucratic elites, and explores unfolding crises in Western Europe, including the political turmoil in France. The conversation features rigorous critiques of the administrative and deep state, debates over the urgency of reform, and the international implications of both U.S. and European instability.
Host Steve Bannon introduces the theme with a forceful monologue stressing the resolve of the MAGA base to upend what he calls the “dying regime” of establishment power:
"This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people." (02:56)
He notes a rejuvenated President Trump is focusing intently on foreign and domestic peace—specifically citing efforts related to the Middle East, Ukraine, and dealing with a purported “insurrection” at home.
Roger Kimball argues that Trump’s second term is radically different from his first, both in energy and in focus:
"Not only is the jib cut differently, but the spinnaker has been deployed and we have the wind behind us... It is like night and day between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0." (04:50)
Kimball highlights executive orders targeting "diversity, equity and inclusion" initiatives and claims a new determination to see such orders executed fully.
Bannon and Kimball discuss efforts to sideline organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and ADL, characterizing them as corrupt, divisive, and projectionist:
"The Southern Poverty Law Center—so-called—there is no more divisive institution in this country." (09:19)
Bannon calls for direct legal action:
"People should start gearing up big civil suits against these, bankrupt them, go after their donors... unless you get to the roots of it and pull out the roots and put the fear of God into the people actually finance this." (10:09)
Kimball asserts that aggressive pursuit of former administration officials is necessary:
"We need more indictments, it would be nice to see some people actually held to account for their assault on the Constitution and the office of the presidency." (17:46)
He singles out James Comey as "right in the center of the biggest political scandal in our history" (14:32), and floats the possibility of indicting Hillary Clinton.
Russ Vought, lauded for working on downsizing federal bureaucracy, is seen by Bannon as not going far enough:
"The intersectionality of intelligence, law enforcement, national security, the arms makers... that form the deep state. Are you comfortable right now that we're... actually taking that apart, like it has to be taken apart?" (13:20)
Kimball contends progress is real but incremental:
"If you compare what's going on right now to what was going on in 2017, I think... it's like day and night. We're doing a lot today. We could do more." (13:50)
Bannon warns time is short ahead of the next midterm:
"Don't give me 24 years. That's emancipatory fantasy. Let's deal with reality." (11:22)
Dr. Bradley Thayer frames the current administration’s greatest accomplishment as a cultural one:
"The greatest accomplishment of what President Trump is doing in the second term is restoring the American spirit... reawakening of a renaissance of Western civilization." (22:53)
He compares the struggle against the “deep state” to excavating the legendary city of Troy, revealing only the early layers have yet been removed:
"We've just gone through, however, the first layer or the second layer of really the nine layers of Troy... we've got so many to do." (21:19)
Thayer laments Congressional inaction:
"None of this is essentially institutionalized. Right. Congress hasn't done anything of note in the president's agenda... they're just waiting them out." (21:54)
Commemorating the Navy’s 250th Anniversary
Thayer emphasizes the symbolic and practical resurgence of military pride under Trump:
"The best of what America is was on display yesterday... the US Navy is a product of America and American greatness." (31:31)
He underscores the military’s inspiring power for Americans and deterrent value to allies and adversaries:
"It educates Americans, it sends messages to friends and foes that the Americans do indeed... have a very big stick." (33:22)
Recruitment, morale, and American security are up, according to Thayer, with the military functioning as both a reflection and pillar of American society.
"Thank goodness we have so many men and women who are willing to serve... to ensure the United States is safe and secure." (35:49)
Ben Harnwell, reporting from Europe, highlights the instability in France:
"Today a government that came in 28 days ago fell after 14 hours of naming their new cabinet. Why? Debt and deficits, also the Islamization of French society." (37:18)
He explains why France’s financial and political crises are symptoms of structural decadence:
"France isn't an imperial power anymore... it's now really much been overrun by its former colonies." (42:23)
Harnwell also notes attempts at welfare reform (raising the retirement age) by Macron but suggests the French populace resists sacrifice—especially in light of spending on Ukraine.
Harnwell observes that opposition to Ukraine war funding is reshaping European politics:
"In the Czech Republic... Andre Babish is the new Prime Minister. Important because he won on an anti Ukraine platform... Now you have three countries that are quite openly agitating against continuing to finance this war in Ukraine." (44:41)
He predicts Marine Le Pen, if allowed to run, is on track for a sweeping presidential win after repeated establishment failures and legal blockades.
The episode blends aggrieved populism with policy analysis and international commentary, maintaining a combative, urgent tone throughout. Speakers repeatedly stress the scale of bureaucratic and political opposition to their agenda, the time pressure on enacting deeper reforms, and draw broad links between American and European political chaos as symptoms of elite and institutional failure.