WarRoom Battleground EP 871: Rise Of The Genocidal Left

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Podcast: Bannon’s War Room
Episode: WarRoom Battleground EP 871: Rise Of The Genocidal Left
Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Key Guest: Tucker Carlson

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode centers on the rising political violence and radicalization of the left in America, the deepening partisan divide, and strategies for securing the MAGA movement's hold on American institutions and politics. Stephen K. Bannon sits down with Tucker Carlson in a wide-ranging discussion that covers the escalation of left-wing violence, the urgency of dismantling the “deep state,” internal weaknesses among Republican leadership, and broader geopolitical distractions. They argue that America is at a crossroads, on the brink of unprecedented domestic turmoil and institutional crisis.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Escalation of Political Violence and the “Genocidal Left”

• Bannon points to what he sees as a national trend toward political violence from the left, arguing it will get worse as demographic and legal shifts threaten Democratic political prospects.
• Concerns over recent incidents (notably, references to the attack on Charlie Kirk and political hero-worship around alleged perpetrators) are framed as evidence of radicalization and growing danger.
• Bannon claims the Democratic Party is now “progressively going to get more violent” as prospects for victory at the ballot box diminish.
  • “We’re heading towards a civil war. I don’t think there’s any doubt.” (A/Bannon, 08:15)

2. Redistricting, Demographic Shifts, and MAGA’s Strategic Opportunity

• The conversation delves into the implications of redistricting and the Supreme Court’s recent focus on DEI/congressional mapping.
• Bannon sees a window where, if census and redistricting changes go through, MAGA may control Congress and block Democratic recapture for a generation.
• Urges action: “We only have a short window of time... We have to do it on this watch.” (A/Bannon, 03:45)
• Warns that as Democrats see electoral processes moving away from them, “they will go to violence of other means politically, when the political process and the democracy doesn’t work.” (A, 33:16)

3. The “Deep State” and Institutional Decay

• Both Bannon and Carlson claim that entrenched bureaucracies (the “deep state,” administrative state, intelligence, and law enforcement agencies like the FBI) have subverted the will of the people.
• The FBI is described as “deeply rotten” and anti-American, needing a drastic overhaul or bifurcation.
• Bannon urges President Trump to prioritize dismantling the deep state, calling for a serious, immediate effort—with new U.S. Attorneys and structural reforms.
  • “If we don’t go after that and do it now with a sense of urgency, we’re never going to have another shot.” (A/Bannon, 12:56)
• Claims that “hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents” were present at January 6th, framing it as political subversion.
  • “We now know it’s confirmed that there were hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents in the crowd on January 6th.” (B/Carlson, 15:15)

4. Republican Weakness and Institutional Cowardice

• Harshly critiques establishment Republicans for their eagerness to police their own ranks rather than fight the left.
• Describes GOP leaders as “supplicants to the media” and “go along to get along” types.
  • “They would rather be supplicants and have approval in the...architecture of approval.” (A/Bannon, 41:51)
• The political consultant class is seen as sabotaging populist figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie due to influences from “Israel first money” and other institutional pressures.

5. Geopolitics and Distraction from MAGA Priorities

• Bannon repeatedly returns to the theme that focus on the Middle East and Israel is a “sideshow to a sideshow”—distracting from the main confrontation with China and domestic institutional reform.
• Calls for unflagging focus on domestic priorities, stating, “You can’t let [the Israel issue] be the central thing that you revolve around. The Israel first aspect...has taken our eyes so far off the ball.” (A/Bannon, 23:45)
• Stresses the urgency of confronting the Chinese Communist Party as the true existential threat.

6. Urgent Call for Family and Community Preparedness

• Near the episode’s end, Bannon shifts to practical advice for ordinary families to prepare for coming instability—ranging from stockpiling supplies to cultivating tight family bonds and regular engagement with Western traditions and faith.
  • “You have to think through, not to be paranoid...How as a unit do we rationally mitigate that risk?” (A/Bannon, 44:57)

7. Generational Faith and Optimism Amidst Darkness

• Despite dark forecasts, Bannon expresses hope based on the “most based generation we’ve ever had”—young, 18-30-year-old men, who, he believes, are rediscovering patriotism and Western values despite institutional opposition.
• “I can start to see the sunlit uplands way... in the distance...” (A/Bannon, 48:56)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On Political Violence:
  “We’re heading toward a civil war. I don’t think there’s any doubt. We looked at the indices out there, and these are unbridgeable divides right now and getting deeper.”
  —Stephen K. Bannon, 08:15

• On the Deep State:
  “If we don’t go after that and do it now with a sense of urgency, we’re never going to have another shot... This is the time we have to do it...”
  —Bannon, 12:56

• On January 6th and the FBI:
  “We now know it’s confirmed that there were hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents in the crowd on January 6th... That’s not crowd control. That’s political subversion.”
  —Tucker Carlson, 15:15

• On Weak GOP Leadership:
  “Establishment Republicans will always fold... Supplicants to the media. Chamber of Commerce, big donor attitude... The country’s basically on a cliff of an abyss.”
  —Bannon, 08:15

• On the Priority of Redistricting:
  “If we get the redistricting done... you could add another, you know, 10 or 15, maybe 20 net seats.”
  —Bannon, 31:27

• On Generational Optimism:
  “I can start to see the sunlit uplands way, way, way...off in the distance. So I’m very enthusiastic of where we are.”
  —Bannon, 48:56

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• Opening Remarks & Episode Theme: 00:53 – 05:44
• Bannon joins Tucker Carlson: Escalation of Violence: 05:44 – 07:46
• Republican Weakness & Party Divisions: 07:46 – 11:45
• Deep State, FBI, and DOJ Criticism: 11:45 – 19:13
• Discussion of Political Consultants and Institutional Pressures: 21:41 – 23:45
• Foreign Policy as Distraction: 23:45 – 31:23
• Redistricting Strategy and 2028 Political Forecast: 31:27 – 34:09
• Institutional Decay & FBI Reform: 34:09 – 41:05
• Potential Flashpoints & GOP Response: 41:05 – 44:45
• Advice for Family/Community Preparedness: 44:57 – 48:56
• Closing Remarks/Optimism for the Future: 48:56 – 49:49

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CONCLUSION

This episode of Bannon’s War Room is an urgent, often apocalyptic, call to action for listeners on the populist right. Mixing personal reflection, strategic analysis, and alarm over a supposedly radicalized and violent left, Bannon and Carlson press their audience to prepare, both politically and personally, for coming conflict—and to prioritize dismantling entrenched federal institutions over foreign entanglements. Despite the dark tone, the episode ends on a note of generational optimism, encouraging steadfastness and faith. The conversation is emblematic of the modern populist right: combative, conspiratorial, and unambiguously urgent.

Transcript

[A]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

[B]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[A]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[B]

War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[A]

Okay, welcome back to the second hour of our late afternoon early evening show. I love the format of the 6 o'. Clock. You guys know that we give us more Runway to be actually get into kind of deeper conversation so you don't have the pressure of the clock and the segments all the time, which kind of drives the intensity of the morning show. But in the afternoon, after doing an hour of kind of update news reporting on signal, not noise, I always like to try to get into things a little deeper in the second hour. Was very honored yesterday to be asked by Tucker Carlson, his team to come on. He does this live aspect of a show every Wednesday. And I was really honored to be a part of it. We wanted to play it in its entirety and break it down into a couple of segments. Tucker had asked me to come on and talk about the escalation of political violence in the country. And I'm very worried about this. And the reason is, is that with the shifts that are happening demographically, with the shifts are happening in the country now, actually with President Trump and his administration getting very serious on things like redistricting and the Supreme Court case from the other day from yesterday about Louisiana, it's obvious that we could pick up anywhere from, I don't know, 15 to maybe 25 seats and therefore make it almost out of reach for the Democrats ever to have really a shot. If we turn up, obviously a shot at ever taking back the House and maybe even shifting the Senate and electoral votes pretty significantly in 2028. As it becomes obvious that the democratic process will be dominated by MAGA and the President Trump going forward, they're going to get increasingly, increasingly irrational, increasingly violent and increasingly dangerous. Now, President Trump is going with a whole of government aspect to stop this, whether it's sending ICE in to begin mass deportations or it's having the FBI start looking at violent extremists. But the reality is Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The left is is cheering on Luigi Mangione in the crowd. If you look at mom Donnie in New York City, behind the happy talk and the smile is a very dangerous combination of Marxism and jihadist sharia supremacism. And they will turn New York City into London in the next couple of years. So the first part of this, we deal with this on Tucker. I do get into also one of the most important things on, on the trade offs on foreign policy. I keep saying that the Mid east is a sideshow to the main event, which is the Chinese Communist Party and what they're trying to do and take down the United States of America. And I say if the Middle east is a sideshow to the main event, then Israel's situation is a sideshow to a sideshow. And I understand that upsets the Israel first crowd, but so be it. We call them like we see them here in the war room. The important thing is to remember in that focus and turning it back to the Chinese Communist Party. We always have to remember one of the reasons the countries got into this situation is because the administrative state and the deep state, and now we're in a government shutdown that we only hope that Russ Vote continues on his amazing and massive effort to deconstruct the administrative state and that the powers that be at the FBI and inside the administration go after the deep state. We only have one opportunity to take this apart. This is what I argued at Charlie's Student Action Summit back in Tampa in July, that we have to take down the deep state. We have to do it on this watch. And we have to do with a sense of urgency because we're burning daylight. We are burning daylight. And I want to thank Tucker for giving me Runway. It's kind of tough doing the war room every day for four hours where you bring guests in and talking about themes. You know, I do go on my rants, but Tucker really gave me the opportunity for, you know, approximately, what, 30 or 35 minutes to actually get into these topics and get into depth with a great interviewer like Tucker Carlson is. And so we're going to bifurcate this. This is the first part of the interview will be on in this first half of the show. Then I'm going to return and kind of tee up what we're going to do in the second half of the show. Once again, I want to thank Tucker Carlson, his team, and everybody associated with it for giving this opportunity for me to be able to go into debt a little more in depth than we're actually able to do on the on the show every day. So without further ado, we're going to go we're going to start and we're going to hit it with Tucker Carlson, the Tucker Carlson show, his live interview that we did last night. Let's go ahead and hit it. And I will be back at the beginning of the second part of the show.

[B]

Is this a national trend? You don't want to be paranoid. You don't want to take, you know, one act of violence and extrapolate out and start slandering half the country's population. But there is a theme here. It's unmistakable. Steve Bannon is one of the deepest thinkers on the right, has noticed this, thought about it and joins us now. Steve, thanks so much for doing this. What do you, what do you the J. Jones thing seems I'm hard to shock, but it does seem like next kind of a next level escalation.

[A]

It's definitely up the escalatory ladder. Tucker has a native Virginian. It's pretty, it's pretty shocking that no one's what's shocking is not so much they thought these horrible thoughts, which is bad enough, but that no one's come out and condemned him. It's been absolute silence. And of course, the Democrat nominee, it's just a word salad. She can't even explain it. So it's it shows you how radicalized the Democratic Party's become. But I think people better get ready. It's going to get a lot worse. And I think that's because you saw the Supreme Court today, the argument about DEI districts. You've seen this controversy over the mid decade census. You've seen the redistricting fight. We could pick up 21 if you add all that together. I think the Times is saying on the DEI alone, the racial imbalance, I think the Times has us picking up 12 seats, Politico, 19 seats. That does not include all the redistricting fights, which is another 21 gross seats there. And you add in really doing a real census where illegal aliens are not counted, they're never going to take back the House in the Senate. And so you're only going to what gets me is we're on an arc that they're only progressively going to get more violent. And you can see this in their worship of Mangini, the worship of the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. So I think it's going to get a Lot worse.

[B]

Given that. And I hope you're wrong, but I sense you're not. What do you make of Mike Lawler's. Congressman Mike Lawler's response and the governing board of the National Young Republicans Organization to these text messages, which I'm not endorsing, by the way, but, you know, calling someone a retard or these kids should be destroyed. Like it's an. It's an interesting contrast. The Republicans kind of are very quick to shame their own.

[A]

They'll always fold. Establishment Republicans will always fall on, as you know this better than anybody in any fight. They're going to fold and they're going to try to be supplicants to the media. They're going to be. Try to be supplicants to the media. Kind of chamber of Commerce, big donor attitude that we want to be invited to the parties, we want to be in the club, we want to have the New York Times write nice things about us. That's what we're. We're heading towards a civil war. I don't think there's any doubt. We looked at the indices out there, and these are unbridgeable divides right now and getting deeper. And the Democratic Party is getting more and more radical. Look, everything we're dealing with right now is about illegal aliens. Whether it's they want to spend a trillion dollars on their health care, whether they're demanding a census that counts them for congressional racism, for electoral college, whether it's the mass deportations that, that we're trying to get done in Portland, Chicago, Los Angeles, everything's if they don't have illegal aliens, if they don't have a foreign entity in here and folks in here, they don't have a. There's no way for them to put together the votes. They love democracy, but it's just the math doesn't work. You saw the Supreme Court today. You see these reditioning fights. And the reditioning fights are kind of like the kids in this chat room. If we had enough stones and urgency and maximalization strategy, the 21 would already be up on the table. Right? We'd be now executing how you do it. We have to do a whole fight about that. So the establishment, because they come up in this paradigm where the established order controls everything and they want to be part of the established order. And we see that we got here, you know, we've gotten here over 40 or 50 years and we've won enough times as Republicans, the House, the Senate, the presidency. The country's basically on a cliff of an abyss. And if it hadn't been for Trump, with all his imperfections, the country be over. So it's just going to get worse. We're going to always have, like this thing in Kansas where they're going to throw, you know, people under the bus immediately and cower and be supplicants and ask for forgiveness for people who are not worthy of us asking for forgiveness. And the fight is going to get more intense. The left is going to get more radical. They're going to go up more the escalatory ladder. Look, Mangini's a hero to them. You got to face in Mondami. He's a Marxist jihadist. That's going to win, I don't know, by 15 points or so. In New York City, Sadiq Khan, everything they have is even more radical than you can anticipate. It's getting worse every day. They're not being. There's nothing and it's really nothing to debate. We have this chasm. And to me, it's. The issue I have is that the Trump administration and Pam Bondi and the crew are not moving quickly enough. They had a thing today in the Oval, which was great, about stopping violence in the streets. That's great, and I appreciate that. But we have to focus on the deep state. We have to focus on taking this apparatus. We only have a short window of time, I think, to be able to do this, and we're not prioritizing it, and we're not hiring enough US Attorneys to focus on it, and we're not getting that if we don't get that done. These statistics we're putting out and the great job of cash and people and Dan Bond Jr doing about arresting bad guys is not going to matter because you're going to have more bad guys later invited back in by these people. So now it's time to, I think, maximize our own strategy, seize the institutions and move with a sense of urgency.

[B]

Can you give a couple examples of what you think DOJ should be doing right now?

[A]

Well, first off, I think doj, we got attorneys. I think we got to go back to the beginning. You have to go back to the. You have to go back to the election. You have to go back to January 6th. Look at Nancy Pelosi. There's a young reporter, Allison Steinberg, over at Lindell TV. She asked Nancy Pelosi a question day about January 6th about the National Guard, and Nancy Pelosi turned around, screamed at her from a few ways. Shut up. How can you ask that? They're so sensitive about January 6th. So you got to go back to the stolen election of 2020. You've got to go back to January 6th. You have to take the whole continuum. You have to go back, take to the initial, the whole thing on Crossfire Hurricane. You have to adjudicate everything they did, and we have to do it in public. Even throwing the pandemic in there and the response, the Summer of Love, all of it, to keep this republic and keep it as a constitutional republic. We have to be fair about this, we have to be transparent about it. We have to adjudicate it by the rule of law. But it has to be done. And you see we're making some progress. You got Comey with a couple of charges on Appetizer John Bolton, you know, maybe with a couple Letitia James, but it's not good enough and it's not fast enough. And the only way we're going to solve this is U.S. attorneys. I think we're 25 or 30 short is what I'm hearing. There's just some sort of backlog. And you can't, you can't depend on a Halligan coming out of nowhere and being able to drop a couple right away. We have to take apart the deep state. We have to do it now in every aspect that's happened over the last couple of years. You know, Charlie's, I know you were at the Student Action Summit down at Tampa, and normally, you know me, I'm running out there, we're at war, and I'm dropping the mic and running around like a madman. I told Charlie before, I said, this is going to be very different. I said, I'm going to go out with. I call the Tampa resolves. And it is. We have to prioritize everything else we're working on. It has to be to go after the deep state that, that combination of national security, intelligence, law enforcement, the Pentagon, its interconnections with Wall street and big tech, that we have to do that. If we don't go after that and do it now with a sense of urgency, we're never going to have another shot. This is the time we have to do it. We have to make it a priority. And I said, you're going to find out something. The third resolve I said was, no, do it now, do with urgency. And the third was, who's ever not with us is against us. This is the best way we can unmask everybody, because this is not going to be pleasant. It's not going to be easy. You and I are called you're called more names than I am. But we were both, you know, by the Tel Aviv Levin crowd. We're called everything. Right. They're going to do more of that because the deep state is also connected with certain of our allies. You have to go do this and you have to do it. It's not going to be pleasant. You're going to get thrown out of your country club, maybe. But if you're going to save the Republic, we have to do this now. And a part of that you're going to see if you do that, the escalating political violence of the more and more radical left and quite frankly, more and more of the central apparatus of the Democratic Party is going to be gutted. And that's why I think, you know, President Trump, I know, wants to focus. Todd Blanche talked about today in the Oval Office. It has to happen. And it's only going to happen, I think, if people like you and myself and some others keep saying, hey, guys, I understand you got to back thousand things you're working on. But we have to start to rank order priorities. And this has to be the priority right now for President Trump.

[B]

I mean, there are so many places you could start, but it seems obvious that you would start with the FBI. And we now know it's confirmed that there were hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents in the crowd on January 6th. So that changes. That's not crowd control. That's, that's political subversion. And it kind of confirms what a lot of people have been saying for a number of years now, that there was a fake element, that there were a lot of sincere people protesting what they thought was the theft of the election. But there were also clearly agitators in the crowd. It was a setup to some extent, obviously hundreds of plainclothes FBI agents. And, you know, I almost got fired for saying that a couple of years ago was obvious to me, but now we know it's true. In fact, it's worse than we thought it was. How many FBI officials have been fired for that?

[A]

No, I mean, you continue to ask how many have been let go. I think a handful. I don't know. It hasn't been enough to register with any type of headcount that OMB is doing or budget the budget increase. Look, I love cash and I love Dan Pagina. Cash is like a brother to me. But there are two guys hanging on by their fingernails. The same with Pam and, and Todd. This is why I say the official inside the US Attorney, main justice. You need about another 25 or 30 of these prosecutors. You got to get on with it. The FBI, look, I, for a long time I said, I think we got to bifurcate. It's too big, too complicated, covers too much stuff like the counterterrorism. You got to bifurcate. I think you put the counterterrorism first off, you downsize it and you put it in the intelligence part over DHS and you have some reorganization of that. This is law enforcement. I'll be tied to U.S. attorneys. We ought to have a much smaller federal police force, which this is. It ought to have a much tighter mandate. We have to have much more control. Because, look, the scandal of the FBI is twofold. Number one is what they did and the mentality and the organizing principles inside the FBI that made it that you would do it. And it was career enhancing to do it. In fact, you would not think of not doing. The whistleblowers were a handful. I mean, I'd sit on the war room every day and say, hey, look, you're not going to be able to use the SS excuse that, hey, I was just filing orders. You have. We've only had a handful of whistleblowers and we know from the other day of even getting this information you're talking about and others talking about came from. It's not that Dan and Cash admit we don't control it. We didn't get the information. This came through a whistleblower. This came through some person that was afraid of getting wrapped up in this. But the FBI to me should be downsized by 2/3, first off by splitting it up and then going through. Because remember the second part of the scandal, and maybe the more important is that Ray Baldface lied to people for years and years and years. And the oversight, it just kind of went over the oversight. If we hadn't won and come back from nowhere because they never thought we were coming back. Right. That's one of the reasons they were so blatant. We wouldn't know any of this today because Congress didn't perform its functions. And I might add that this was a Republican administration, it was President Trump's administration. And we can kind of control for a moment the apparatus of which they lied to us. And there was no follow up on the oversight. It's just. Okay, so Ray was able to kind of worm out of it. It's so deep, it requires to me, you have to go with a trenching tool and dig them out. And we gotta have Cash and Dan's back to do that. We're not doing it right now. And you can't depend upon just a random whistleblower to have a active conscience, right? You can't depend upon the kindness of others. We have to do this and it's going to be unpleasant. And the New York Times is going to say you're a bunch of fascists and the New Yorker is going to say terrible things about you. But hey, who cares? We're trying to save our country right now. And now we've won everything. If we don't take advantage of every frickin moment because we're burning daylight, this is going to pass. There's going to be all kinds of other issues come up and we're just going to go, okay, let's go have another election. It's not enough.

[B]

We've already wasted months and months and months on this Iran, Qatar insanity. You know, totally unrelated to the United insanity. But also you sort of wonder like, what's the cost? Not just the financial cost, but the cost in attention and priority, the opportunity cost. But what is this impulse? You've been in Republican politics really at the center of it for so long, where Republicans seem to spend most of their time policing the leaders, policing their members and their voters. Like, what is that?

[A]

It's the abused spouse syndrome or whatever. By the way, the policing is immediate and constant, right? And almost like Cromwell, I mean, the policing is immediate and there's no discussion about how this happened or whatever. But for the left, you let them get away with the most egregious crime. And they know that. They know that. They know that institutionally the party is weak because the party's one. Not a party of government, obviously of individuals, but it's attracted, and you know this better than anybody, just people who kind of want to get along, who want to be, have people not say bad things about them, you know, and the way to do that is just to go along. And if we can make some changes on the margin, it would work. If that strategy worked, the country wouldn't be on the edge of the abyss. Even with Trump. We are on the edge of the abyss. And many people waking up, the MAGA base knows it. They got the pitchforks, they're ready to roll. In fact, every day when I do the show, they're blowing me up. Hey, why are we not doing more about the deep state? Why are we not naming names? Why are people out there? Which is great. So we have a voting base of blue collar and middle class. People are saying we've had a belly full of this and we want Action, Right. And you have still political apparatus that continues to say. Because even Dan Bongino, those guys are police. Look, when our go up to Capitol Hill, they get as tough a grilling by the, by the Republicans oftentimes as they do the Democrats. The Democrats are so over the top, it's insane. But there's still the, the, the, you know, the correction police, the correct, you know, to be politically correct is still there and still the mentality of it. The only way we're going to do that is to just take action and get some scalps. And that's why I think you're starting to see through some of these indictments. Maybe Bolton, but it's not enough. And you're not getting to the central apparatus part, which we have to get to.

[B]

I mean, a lot of the political consultants at, you know, highest level Republican political consultants seem very consumed with knocking off Marjorie Taylor Greene or Thomas Massie. You don't have to agree with everything those people are calling for, but you can't say they're liberal. They're not liberal. I mean, Massey's kind of a libertarian, but he's a lot more conservative than, I don't know, Lindsey Graham or Michael Lawler by any measure. And yet they seem like they're spending 80% of their day trying to find a primary challenger for Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Like, what is that? Is that. I mean, it almost seems like subversion to me.

[A]

They're so, look, they're so tied to the Israel first money. This is what's they're trying to crush Massey out in. And Massey's not perfect, right? Mtg. I'm very close to mtg. She's not perfect. You know, she flipped and went with McCarthy, but she's a firebrand and she's a fighter and when a fight counts, she's going to be there with you.

[B]

Well, and they're both here. That's the thing. That's, that's. I don't agree with everything. I do agree with everything Marjorie says, but I don't agree with everything Massey says. But he's totally sincere. He's not getting paid to say these things. He means it. And isn't that who you want on your side?

[A]

Here's. Well, they don't. Here, look, lunch and these guys. Remember, if you look back up at Capitol Hill and I know you know the math here, we only have a handful of MAGA people, right? If you look in the Senate, we got maybe Eric Schmidt, maybe Josh Holly Boss, both from Missouri in the House, we got A handful. We got a handful. Because they look at Trump as a passing summer storm. It could be bad, but it's gonna pass. And if we just. This is why I'm saying we have to have a sense of urgency. We're burning daylight. They just hope to tap President Trump along and they'll get to the midterms, and then, you know, 20, 28, they'll just, you know, Ted Cruz already had a big article in the Daily Telegraph. He's already putting his team together. I know it's totally random. It's totally. It's totally random from your interview. And that Israel first has to have a candidate since they just got crushed here in the last couple of days. But it is because certain vested interests want people to kind of kowtow to a line, right? And if you fall outside that, they're gonna come after you. And I think that's why it behooves us. Look, Fox just had the first interview, I think, with Mondomini, right? He gets on there, six minutes. They got a big debate tomorrow night. The only question was about Gaza and Israel. They're asking this guy, with everything else going on, and quite frankly, how he's a Marxist jihadist, but he has kind of taken populism and talked about affordability. You think you might want to get in back of the Working Families Party and DSA and how they replicate the Trump turning point war room precinct strategy for ground game, for low information, low propensity voters. And this is why they're blowing guys out, because they had no money at first against Cuomo. Now we're not gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about arresting Bibi Netanyahu. You haven't given Trump credit. And what do you think about the Gaza piece? Literally five minutes, the first interview, five minutes all about Israel. This is just this obsession with it. And when I gave that keynote speech to kind of wrap up the National Conservatism Conference, which is kind of got a strong neocon, you know, take on it, I said, to quote T.E. lawrence from the Seven Pillars of Wisdom, what they told him at the time when he showed up at Cairo's military headquarters. They said, look, the Middle east is a sideshow to the main event. The Western front and the Arab revolt is a sideshow to a sideshow. And I said, the Middle east right now, for us, with everything geopolitically going on in the economic war, China, and. And our nation sliding toward a civil war around insurrection, with a party like the Democrats, have an escalatory ladder of violence The Middle east is a sideshow and the Israel issue is a sideshow to a sideshow. That's full stop. 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[B]

What are the midterms going to look like, do you think?

[A]

Well, if we get the redistrict things, and I think Mike Davis was on the show earlier and of course, the, the left is melting down this afternoon after the Supreme Court, you know, debates the Supreme Court today on the, on the DEI congressional gerrymandering districts. If we get a win there, and we do the rejections, that, that is only fair to the American people. If we get those, you could add another, you know, 10 or 15, maybe 20 net seats. It'll be quite hard to overcome. We can't. If we allow Hakeem Jeffries, the guys either steal seats or win seats and they take over the House. People have to understand the whole Trump revolution comes to a full stop. There will be subpoenas flying the first day. Trump will be impeached in the first three weeks. Not that he'll be removed from office, but they'll go through the whole rigmarole. You're going to have subpoenas flying everywhere. The whole fight every day will be trench warfare against Hakeem Jeffries and these guys to keep our revolutionary movement going, to basically return ourselves to a constitutional republic. That's the stakes of these midterms. And that's why I say every person, every governor and a lot of these governors are not working with us, because guess what? They don't. It's like Cox in Utah, you know, was it Pilsen in Nebraska? They don't want to upset the apple cart. They don't have people say bad things about them. And so if we get the redistricting, redistricting done, that are out there to do, and you have a ruling from the Supreme Court that talks about, you know, these are net. I think times I said 12 and Politico 19. It's a steep hill for Jeffries to overcome. And I think this is a danger also for the country. I think, as they see that the democratic process is not going to work for them, that basically the dynamics and demographics of the country also a revival of, I think Religious, because I think this young generation, 18 to 30, particularly the men, are the most based generation we've ever had for sure, that if this, if this keeps coming, they're not going to be a win at the ballot box. And so they will go to, in a twist on Clausewitz, they will go to violence of other means politically, when the political process and the democracy doesn't work. Because remember, the people that beat the drum of democracy were the bolsheviks back in 17. The left uses the same type of language. And people should understand, when they understand that the electoral college has moved away from them, that the house has moved away from them for the legitimate and fair demographics and shifts in the nation, they're going to get more violent, they're going to get more angry, and they're going to get more dangerous.

[B]

So we have institutions to deal with civil unrest, of course, and one of them is the FBI. And so it seems like it would be a matter of self preservation. If you're on the side of the Constitution and Heritage America, and just like normal people, you would want an institutional law enforcement agency that could keep riots from metastasizing into civil war. So you'd want to make sure the FBI was on the side of the Constitution. No, like immediately you would.

[A]

But I think they're, they're trying this. What I'm saying, you have an institutional problem. They're just not a personal personnel problem. It's just not a comey or ray.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There's a deep, there's a deep rot. And, and why? Because remember the, the, the, the, the traditional Catholics they went after. That's my parish. And my parents, who are blue collar people, started a little traditional Latin mass parish as a spinoff from the Benedictine Abbey back in the late 70s. And these are the people that have eight and nine kids. A couple people of the kids go in the Marines or the Navy. It's just the salt of the earth. They have no money. It's blue collar. That's the parish they focused on to make this thing over the entire country. That this is where extremism is. And you can't have a more Americana place than this. It's the institution that shrouded. When I was in Danbury Prison, some of the most remarkable men I've ever met are these men that are in prison for 5, 6, 7, 8 years for praying the rosary outside of an abortion clinic. That's all they did. They go to prison. And of course, they have women that are grandmothers in the other prisons. If you look across the board, the FBI, if we think it, it lost its way under Hoover and we think institutionally it drifted and even in 9, 11 since had a terrible track record. There's a deep rot in there that's quite frankly anti American. So now when really America, you're right, would need it as an institution most, you actually have to go in and institutionally take this thing apart. I think bifurcate it. Get the two law enforcement and counterintelligence and intel out of there and then deal with the law enforcement. But still, layer by layer, you have to take it apart. You have to bring in a new generation of FBI agents, train them up, almost start like Hoover, start it over again, think it through and then go. Otherwise you're just putting a bandaid on a shotgun wound and it's not gonna work. And I think that that's the mentality on Capitol Hill. You can see this. There's no urgent, there's no budget cuts coming from this. There's no getting the director up there and raking them over the coals. About how many personnel have you let go? Let me see the internal reports. We're finding these things out every couple of days from whistleblowers who are getting nervous. They may get wrapped up in an investigation, but that's, that's not good enough. That's not systemically going through this.

[B]

Whose fault is that?

[A]

I think it's.

[B]

I think it's like, where's Mike Johnson? Where's the speaker of the House in the.

[A]

No, he's the epitome of what you talk about law. He's just, he's the personification of. We wouldn't have been in this shape with all the elections we won. Right. Both at the presidential level, House, Senate. We wouldn't have been in the shape if you had men and women of courage and basically saying, I don't care what they say about me, I don't care if I'm here for two terms or 20 terms. I'm gonna get to the heart of this. He's a go along to get along guy, obviously. And that's the institutional mindset over there. It's a kind of a faceless crowd. That's why the Marjorie Taylor Greene's stick out, right? This is why certain people kind of stick out. Because they are fire breathers, the Matt Gaetz's of the world. If you're a fire breather, you stick out and they want to hammer you down. Right? They want to throw you under the bus. So I think that institution has to be changed. But I think we got to go after the executive branch institutions. We're not going to have a lot of time and we're going to meet tremendous resistance on this. The deeper one, the FBI is bad as the FBI is, which is terrible when you look at the intelligence apparatus in the national security part with the Pentagon, because, remember, why did we just have a huge win and basically breaking the back of the Israel first people? Because about the Iran, the Persian situation, right? And we now know from the Times of Israel, right? Not from the Tucker Carlson show and not from War Room and not from Breitbart. You now know that the War Cabinet's minutes and debate was about a two year stretch for this nuclear program to really be of danger. Kick in. Two years of which we said all the time, not two days, not two weeks yet the CIA and I say Ratcliffe's a guy we ought to bring up and have him testify in front of Congress and grill him. How did he give the President totally different information than Tulsi Gabbard and her team, who turned out to be right. And remember, we went for two months and Tulsi Gabbard was thrown under the bus every day there was a horrible article about her. She's not a team player, she's incompetent, she's overhead. And she got a little bit ostracized there for a minute until people realize, hello. She actually did an aggregate of all the different, all the different 17 branches. And she was right. There was no change from her original testimony. It was about two years away or thereabouts, according to the War Cabinet of the Israel government, Israeli government, the Netanyahu government. And it kind of comports to when Bret Baer pressed him up that Sunday night, was saying, hey, why was this so urgent the other day? And go ahead, how about. And they said, well, you know, we're six months to a year away. That's another bald faced lie. It's two years. And he just debated this the other night. That effort shows us that we have a massive problem in the intelligence apparatus. And that to me should be as high a priority as the FBI. You have to do them both. You have to do them now. You have to put a team together to go do it. And the people you put together have to be incredibly tough and incredibly focused. But that's why I think I've been arguing for a special prosecutor for this entire kind of deep state or at least the conspiracy against Trump in the first term and rolling over to the second term of Clapper and Brennan and all these Guys. So I think either do it that way or, or internally, if you can do it, but hire more U.S. attorneys, cut the FBI down by at least a third immediately, even if you have to give up some things you're working on. Because I think right now the people are saying, hey, look, it's great with, with the crime thing you did today, Cash, I feel better. But you know what? President Trump's committed to put troops into the cities, and he should, if we have to shut this crime down. So let's just start taking the FBI apart. I don't think any one person's to blame. I think it is that there's so much going on. They're so overwhelmed. Other topics. We just need to kind of triage this and say, okay, guys, let's think about the end game here. Like, let's take it. Let's go three years down range. Where do we want to be on these institutions and kind of work back to that to the day. I think you can get great people in there to do it.

[B]

So you said you think that violence could be coming or is coming, moving towards some kind of national split. There's always a flashpoint that kicks off. Usually it's manufactured the death of George Floyd, for example. But when that happens, it comes out of nowhere. No one's prepared for it. And Republicans in general, Republican leaders, miss what it is at. You know, Nikki Haley on the first day of the George Floyd riots, cheered on the riots. Many Republicans in Washington reacted to January 6th like it was an actual insurrection. Like they, they, they go along with the lie. And that has huge downstream effects. Will that happen again whenever that flashpoint comes?

[A]

Certainly, no. No doubt, because these are not courageous people. They would rather be supplicants and have approval in the, you know, the, was it the, the architecture of approval? They would rather go to the side that's going to go to. Here's what I tell people. I gave this talk at Semaphores, you know, their, their little Davos they do in the spring when Ben Smith invited me to talk at kind of one of the guys that wrapped it up. And I said, look, you may not like the populist policies I put forth. Economics. You may not like the fact that I push to have a tax increase for the, for the wealthy. Right. Because I just do the math and something's going to have to give here. We're just not going to grow our way out of it. But I said, you're going to have a choice. Your choice is Mangini or really Populist nationalism, because this, and this is before Mondami, so now they got a count, too. But the hero worship of that guy, the hero worship of the alleged assassin, and I'm not even sure I haven't seen enough to believe he's the assassin, I think is a much deeper conspiracy. But the hero worship by the radicals on the left, particularly the most radical, which may be these trannies, right, they're now basically very disturbed men and very manipulative men. That's who most of them are, right, who are now down on this and want to want it to be a gunfight. I said you should watch online and you should watch how they're kind of turned into heroes if you want to see where this thing's going to go. Because it's not going to. With Reddit and these other chat rooms, it's only getting darker. And the more they lose, and particularly the more that they see that structurally the countries change. And finally, with Trump and others, you have people that will call that out. The Supreme Court will move on it. People will do these redistrictings that institutionally we will start to at least make some movement there. When they see that it's impossible to take back the House or to take back the Senate. So in Electoral College, I think it's gonna be very, very difficult. But even if they take that, we would structurally have the House and Senate as a check and start to do the deconstruction industry state with, with Russ Vogt and the team, they're going to get more violent. They're not going to get more. They're not going to embrace some sort of Martin Luther King or Gandhi, you know, the, the underlying philosophy and ethics of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. They're not going to go. It's not going to be the Beatitudes. They're going to get more dangerous. And you can see this, how they're getting egged on by msnbc, how they're getting egged on by the corporate media on the left. And so that's why I think we're going to a very dark place. But when you go through hell, let's go through as quickly as possible. And I think we have to stand and face it today so our kids and grandkids don't have to do it.

[B]

So how should people prepare for that? Personally, people who have no control over Supreme Court decisions or electoral maps, like a family, how do you prepare for what you think is imminent?

[A]

Well, I think, first of all, a family ought to be in your, in your daily Life like one of our sponsors is my Patriot Supply. Ten years ago that was looked like as wing nuts, right? There's a tenfold hat, it's not a tinfoil hat. You look what's happening to the grid, you look what's going to happen. These data centers, even the water use of the number one as a family unit, I think you ought to get to know each other very well and spend time in each other's life. You ought to have set readings and try to do the underpinnings of our culture more and more and more to really nurture the unit of the family. But number two, I think you've got to get ready. You have to think through not to be paranoid, but to say, look, in modernity there's going to be a lot of risk. How as we as a unit rationally mitigate that risk. How do we mitigate the risk to our family, to our food supply, to electricity, to our phones and communications. Let's just go through and maybe assign a great task for a 12 year old, hey, think this through for us. So assign all the risk out there for the family without being paranoid and go through a risk mitigation exercise. And to leave that thought is the reason I make everybody comes to work for me. Watch Twelve O' Clock High. It's a movie made in the 1940s. The only, there's only two films shown at Harvard Business School and they show this film about organizational behavior and how you change an organization to make it excellent. Right? And you just know that this family unit, we're going to, we're going to survive and we're going to thrive, but we're going to do this right. And I think if you just start doing that every day and make it part, you know, just doing reps like you do in football, make it part of the natural reflex of your family, your family unit. And you take leadership in the family. No matter if you're the husband, the wife, the kids, you take leadership in that. We're going to be fine. I think by the way, I feel actually very good. And one of the reasons I look at this younger generation, particularly men, don't want to downplay women. But the college educated women are so far gone, right, by and large the left. But if you look at this young generation of men, 18 to 30, they're the most based generation I think we've ever had. And they're coming either with fathers or uncles or older brothers that volunteered for these endless wars and really fought every bit as great as Revolutionary War. The Civil war, World War I, World Two, as volunteers in a thankless effort that you might add, was pointless too. And I think that, that the strength of that, coupled with this kind of base and the return to. I think you're seeing a return to not just Christian values and reading the Bible, but an interest in the underpinnings of philosophy and theology for the West. They want to know more about Western culture. They want to know why modernity has outlawed basically traditional culture. I consider myself a populist, nationalist, traditionalist. I don't call myself a conservative, haven't for years, because I think the conservatives are just. They've just acted like pussies. They roll over all the time. And you can't do that. You have to be as hard or harder than the left. And I think, Tucker, I really feel good. I think we have very dark days ahead of us, both globally with the CCP and others to get sucked into these wars. I think we have very dark days in front of us as a country. But I can start to see the sunlit uplands way, way, way, way off in the distance. And so I'm very enthusiastic of where we are. And I think my enthusiasm comes generation who had everything against it. The propaganda in the schools, the. The destruction of their culture, the outing of them for everything. If they didn't fall in line with the most radical things of sexuality or gender or climate change, all these things from the official source. They came through it to come through that with a set and apparatus that is so radical, trying to either other you or destroy you every day. And they came through that. That shows you we have the basic foundation that we've had from the beginning of every patriot's grave down to the future. And that makes me feel we got this, but we got to get on with it.

[B]

In the distance, I can see this, the sunlit uplands. Boy, I'm putting that on my refrigerator. Steve Bannon, eloquent and wise. Thank you so much for doing this, Tucker.

[A]

Always an honor and a honor to fight in the trenchers with you. You have, you have taken amazing abuse for helping lead this country. Oh, it's incredible. I mean, and what I love about it, you're still the same Tucker Carlson. You're a hell fellow, well met, you're a nice guy. You haven't become cynical, you haven't become nasty. And people don't, I think, realize all the pressure under. But you're one of the leaders in this country and we're getting to a better place. We're getting towards that sunlit uplands because guys like you at the lead, the tip of the spear in this fight.

[B]

Well, thanks. Well, my, my wife doesn't even know what happened, so it's in my house. It's not even real. So fun. Steve Bannon, great to see you, man. Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you, brother. Really want to thank Tucker Carlson's team for doing that. Also for putting up clips. Grace and Mo are going to have clips or take clips yourself. We would love to have you push this out, particularly clips of this to make. It's already gone viral in many aspects, but we'd love to have you take your favorite clips and go ahead and send it out. Obviously, we're going to be drilling down on these themes in the days and weeks ahead, particularly the escalation of violence going up the escalatory ladder of radical Democrats and people trying to destroy this country. Also the fact that we've got to make sure that we keep our eye on the prize here about what is in the basic national security interest of the United States of America. And we have to do that every day, day. And we cannot allow the Israel first crowd to come back in any way. They've already done enough destruction of this country and Israel to suit several lifetimes. So we can't allow it happen. Okay, we're going to be back at 10:00am Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow. We're going to be in Texas covering Moms for Liberty. Also, everything going on Texas and so much more. All the news already booking big gas, so don't miss us. Back at 10:00am Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow when you will be in the war room. What if he had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy. He's our wise man. A former CIA, Pentagon and White House advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets. Jim predicted Trump's Electoral College victory exactly 312 to 226, down to the actual number itself. Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11, a moment that could define Trump's presidency and in your financial future. His latest book, Money GPT, exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos. Bank runs at lightning speeds, algorithm driven crashes and even threats to national security. Right now, War Room members get a free copy of MoneyGPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence. This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter, Strategic Intelligence. I read it. You should read it. Time is running out. Go to rickardswarroom.com that's all one word. Rickards war Room Records with an S. Go now and claim your free book. That's rickardswarroom.com do it today.