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WarRoom Battleground EP 877: Spiritual Warfare In The Trenches — Priests Cancelled For Holiness And Priests Who Cast Out Satan
WarRoom Battleground EP 877: Spiritual Warfare In The Trenches — Priests Cancelled For Holiness And Priests Who Cast Out Satan...
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.
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Oscar Delgado
You'Re not going to stop it.
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Steve Bannon
It's going to happen.
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Father James Altman
And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Father James Altman
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Ben Harnwell
Harnwell, here at the helm at Steve Bannon's War Room on this Friday, the 24th of October, Anno Domini 2025. Well, we've got a great hero of the Catholic faith with us today. Someone to many people's eyes has always been there, courageous, especially under the last pontificate. Courageous, coherent, active and clear. And that is Father James Altman. Father Altman, welcome onto Steve Bannon's War Room. Just to say a bit about you before we talk about your two books that are out right now is that you were vice president of the Coalition for Cancelled Priests. I think you're now director of development. First, before we talk about the books.
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Father James Altman
Okay.
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Ben Harnwell
For our audience, what is a cancelled priest?
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Father James Altman
Sure. So, as you know, in the deep state or in the deep church which we have, certain speakers of truth get canceled, get investigated, get persecuted, and for the past 50 years, by speaking the truth. I love Steve Bannon's introduction because he's talking about speaking the truth. The people who do speak the truth are. Are cancelled. They are removed from their parish and they're accused of being too rigid, too divisive. And I could give you a list of popes and quotations about how we have been encouraged by past popes, real heroes of the Church, to speak the truth. And yet now the current regimes have done everything they can to cancel this, like, you know, under Bergoglio, also known as Pope Francis Blaise Cupich. He's a prime. He's a criminal. He's a prime. He's a bad guy, a criminal to the Catholic faith. And I'll let the government decide whether he's been criminal in terms of illegal immigration, aiding and abetting this. But when you try to speak the truth against these false leaders in the church, to affirm people in the faith which is what these books are all about. When you try to affirm them in the faith, these guys who you're exposing go, go crazy. They have that like. It wasn't Saint Athanasius, it was Athanasius against the world in his time. He said, they control the buildings, but we control the faith. And so these people at the top now, the deep church, do control the buildings, but they do not control the faith. And if you speak the faith, it embarrasses them, it shames them, it exposes them for the heretics and apostasies that they are. So when you say stuff like that, they get all bent out of shape. And unlike in the civil government where you have normal matters of recourse in the Church, these people are just tyrants. And so they are not accustomed to anyone speaking up and speaking out. And that's why they tried to cancel me or other priests just for speaking the truth.
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Ben Harnwell
Tell me something. What is your take of. I have to ask you this because we were so hardline on this show, being a voice of refusing to bend down before the political dictates of, of the. I like how you say also Bergal, also known as Pope Francis, stage name Pope Francis. Tell me something. Do you. Have you noticed any kind of difference in the. Now we've, we've been very. We've been very clear on the war room right from the first election of, of Pope Pope Leo, that this is Bergoglio 2.0. We said right from the beginning he's more intelligent than Bergoglio, therefore he's more subtle, therefore he's more dangerous. Tell me, what's your view, Father, on the present pontificate at this stage, after.
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Father James Altman
Five months, I knew from day one. But what you heard from Pope Splainers, they have the beaten wife syndrome, where after a wife gets rid of one guy who's just been beaten up on him case 13 years, anybody seems to look better. And this guy seemed to look nice. But when you see how he's completing and fulfilling the agenda of Bergoglio and the. And the globalists that are behind all this, he comes at it with a very pleasantness that Bergoglio lacked. Bergoglio was just mean. He was a type. You can look at him and see he's just mean. Leo's at least pleasant. So here's what I kept hearing. Oh, let's give him six months. And I said, really?
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Ben Harnwell
Why?
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Father James Altman
If Cardinal Robert Seurat had walked out onto the balcony or Cardinal Muller from Germany or Cardinal Burke, you would have known instantly they were Catholic, Listen, if you have to ask or give somebody a proving period, a probationary period to find out if they're Catholic, then they're not Catholic. They should never have been elected in the first place. You wonder what was going on inside the convent. Because I don't wonder, but people should wonder. But anyway, so now we have him, and he's exposing himself every day in his furthering the Bergoglian globalist agenda. And I'm going to have to start making a laundry list like I did with Bergoglio, because this guy is just bad news. Now they say, oh, you can't say anything bad about the Pope. No, you can. You're required to. You're duty bound. Because as Cardinal Burke once put it to another bishop in the United States who's criticizing him for his publicly stating, you can't be a Catholic and receive Holy Communion, can't be a Catholic politician supporting abortion and receive Holy Communion. And the bishop said to Cardinal Burke, he said, well, he was bishop at the time, my bishop in La Crosse. He said, your Excellency, you shouldn't have said anything because the USCCB has not come up with a mission statement or a public statement on this. And Burke looked him in the eye and without hesitating said, your Excellency, when I die, I'm going to stand in judgment before Jesus the lord, not the USCCB now, where did he get that? St. Peter and the apostles in Acts, chapter five said to the hierarchy of their day, listen, we must obey God rather than man. So that's really where we are now. The office is still there, but the Pope, the person in position of Pope, is not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is Jesus dogma handed down to us faithfully, unchanged, unchangeable for 2,000 years. And so that's the Church to which we belong. We don't belong to the Church of Francis. We don't belong to the Church of Leo. So we have to look at what he says, but also what he does. And actions speak louder than words. What you said at the beginning.
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Ben Harnwell
Let me ask you about that, Father. Let me ask you about that, Father Altman. Right, because you refer to St. Paul, who said, and he said quite openly, I, I looked Peter in the face and told him he was wrong. Why is that really, what happened to that mandate, if you will? What happened to that, that practice in the Catholic Church? Because it simply doesn't exist within the, within traditional Catholic formation. That really doesn't exist. And yet it's there in Scripture. It's there in Acts. But when we, we so rarely call upon it as a starting point for why is that in the Catholic Church?
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Father James Altman
Because over the past century there has been an infiltration into the Catholic Church of very bad guys. And one of the things they did was they in order. You know, people in power strive to hold tightly to the reins like the ring of, in Lord of the Rings, hold tightly to the reigns, and will start to enact a means of keeping and holding on to that power. So they created a canon law that says if you criticize us, that's so bad that we can excommunicate you or laicize you. So every priest out there is very much afraid of what these petty tyrants will do. They are like, you know, like I said, in the civil law, at least you have recourse even against the government. Now, depending on what judge you get. If you're get a Biden judge or an Obama judge, you still won't get justice. But in the Church, we could spend an hour and I could tell you about the injustice in the church and the manner in which they stack the debt completely 100% against you, but they have created an almost unassailable wall from the laity against them that. And then they just. And then they used the classic word, they said, well, you're being disobedient. You just didn't listen. Obedience is not blind subservience. It never has been. You know, obedience, that's blind subservience is the Germans following Hitler or the Russians or the Chinese, whatever. Obedience is not blind subservience. You do not have to obey error. You do not have to respect error. In fact, they say obedience and respect. Listen, the bishops aren't obeying Almighty God when they cease to obey Almighty God. You do not have to obey them when they cease to respect you like they did when they locked you out of the churches during the COVID fiasco. You no longer have to respect them. So what they've done is they've created this tyranny that stops you from opposing them in any way, even when they're in absolute heretical error.
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Ben Harnwell
This is so good. I do want to talk about your books. This is so synthetic what you're saying. Do you think, I mean, as a pastor, do you think as someone whose vocation is to look after is to. Is to shuffle souls towards heaven, do you think from what you've just said that that obedience is basically has been misused by hireling shepherds within the Catholic Church to cover up cowardice and, and present it under the outer aspect of. Of virtual humility.
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Father James Altman
Right. It's like you know exactly what I would be thinking without me even having to say it. You're exactly right. By the way, they've also covered up raping boys. What part of raping boys in the billions and billions and billions of dollars by these vipers still in power. What's it going to take for people to finally come to their senses and realize these people are evil and consequently irrelevant to your eternal salvation? What's it going to take before people find the light bulb goes on, the scales fall from their eyes? What's it going to take? I just. I'm baffled that you will still get people that put credence in what these false shepherds, these Wilson sheep's clothing, what they have to say after what they have done. I don't know what it's going to take.
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Ben Harnwell
This comes back to what you were saying at the beginning about the trad Inc Brigade saying let's give Leo six months. They didn't need to give him. As you're saying, they didn't need to give him six months at all. The reason they weren't buying him six months, they were buying themselves six months because they wanted the grift to go on, but they wanted to. To cover up their. Their lack of courage and lack of heroic witness and portray it as a virtue.
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Father James Altman
Yeah, you know, that's. It's really sad, but it's true. And the good news, if there is to be found good news is that some of these Pope slainers in their trad. Inc. Have it's now so undeniable Leo's errors that even they are coming around and publicly now sort of suggesting. But nobody will come right out and say the truth. I don't know why truth sets you free, but no, you're absolutely right. And as days go on, you will see most clearly. I don't know how you. It's bright as. It's the brightest light you could ever have right now that shines its light on the evil that's going on in the Vatican. I don't know how anybody could. Could even pretend to support this person in light of all that has happened in just what, in just four months? I have a laundry list.
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Ben Harnwell
It's funny, right? And I don't. I'm not going to mention names. I'm not even going to indicate people within the. The Trad camp. But you can see how Leo's intelligence is more subtle intelligence than. Than Bergoglio has understood. Exactly. I mean Bergoglio always understood how weak his opponents were. He always knew he had like a preternatural ability to know exactly how weak they were and how far he could push them. Leo is using the same sort of knowledge to know how easy it is to buy them off. Give them a few Latin masses, it's okay. How about not mentioning any names, right? Have a, have a Latin mass here, have a Latin mass there and they're totally neutered. We, the flock, right? We need like, like yourself, Father Otman. We need shepherds who, when the wolves come, will stand in the way. They'll protect their staff. Stamp it in the, stamp it in the ground, say from this spot. I am not going to move. And they're so.
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Father James Altman
I'm sorry, did you ask a question? I cut you off, I guess.
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Ben Harnwell
No, no, that was just, that was just it, it was, it was the observation that right now look, especially on, on the issues. Look, I, I am not, I am the last person to start citing the Second Vatican Council, right? But for those whose, whose grift it is to enforce us to accept all of that nonsense, there is the Decree on the Laity which says that the renewal of the temple, Temple order is our responsibility, the laity's responsibility. So you have all these prudential issues like immigration. That is a prudential issue is for each person of goodwill, each Catholic, to decide for themselves what the correct and appropriate level of immigration is in their country in accordance with maintaining social stability. But no, you have all these people like Bergoglio and like Provost who do that, who go hard line on the anti clerical thing, right? On the one hand because they, they know to some extent that the trads have a sort of 1950s formation, the sort of Father Knows Best. So they go hard in on to just destroy that reverence towards the priest and criticize anti clericalism and then at the same time confiscate our rights in the political sphere in the renewal of the, the temple order. The political, effectively the political. And take from us our ability to make our own political decisions and they decide them from the Vatican. And there's no sense of contradiction in this, Right?
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Father James Altman
Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. You're stating it. So like I said, I couldn't state it better myself. And you don't have any idea what a delight it is to hear you speak to me with such clarity and truth. You know, the thing is, I've got a quote from Pope Benedict xvi. People don't understand. The job of the chief shepherd is to defend and protect the deposit of faith not make it up as you go along. Your opinions don't count. Neither do mine. Neither does a Pope's. His opinions don't count. What counts is the unchanged, unchangeable truth that has been handed down to us for 2,000 years, which is what that second book is all about. But here's what Benedict said. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. There may be legitimate diversity of opinion, even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not with regard to abortion and. And euthanasia. And yet now what do we just get? This past couple weeks we got Blaise Cupich, fraud of a cardinal in Chicago. One of Prevost's best buds, right? He's come out and saying he's using the. It's called the seamless garment heresy of the Satanist Carmel Bernadine, formerly from Chicago before he died. And he's saying that all these issues are of same weight, of same value. No, they are not. And that has never been the teaching of the Church. And Blase Cupich, your opinion doesn't count. And neither does Leo's. But what does Leo now do? He's bringing Cupich into Rome, into the Vatican, to be part of this super council. He's rewarding Cupich for his absolute heresy. Cupich is a heretic. Period.
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Ben Harnwell
And what does Leo say? Leo has the audacity to give an interview and say that if you support the death penalty, you can't be pro life. Look, Father Altman, stand by for two minutes. We're going to come back. I'm going to hit your books. Now in the second half of this segment, when inflation jumps, when you hear the national Debt is over $38 trillion as it is now up from 37, do you ever think maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold where there's a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability, or just for sensible diversification. Birchgold Group believes every American should own physical gold. But Birchgold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. Birch Gold is the only precious metals company. We at the War Room Trust, as do tens of thousands of their customers. So make right now your first time to buy gold. Text Bannon B A N O N to 989-898. Again, that's Bannon B A double N O N to 989898. And Philip Patrick and his team are waiting for your call. So, Father ultimate, we have about seven minutes left. All right, we've got to talk about.
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Father James Altman
You had an hour. I'm enjoying this.
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Ben Harnwell
I'm absolutely convinced. If there's one thing that has emerged in the last quarter of an hour, it's that you're going to be back on this show.
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Oscar Delgado
I.
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Ben Harnwell
We've got Thanksgiving coming up. We've got Christmas coming up. Your books are perfectly timed. I know you're covering a lot of themes that you're mentioning here on the War Room in the books. Tell us first about Treasures of the Church, what the scope of the book is.
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Father James Altman
There's about 605 pages of all the saints and martyrs that are part of the second reading, the Office of Readings, that liturgy, the hours that priests and nuns are supposed to pray every day. And it's condensed into one volume. I've gone through and I've highlighted in each of the scriptural quotations. So if you get like a page from St. Augustine, I think he's usually about 10 to 16 scriptural quotations. St. Patrick had the most 17 on one page. So that people can easily see that for 2000 years through all the saints. I mean, every saint you can think of, the big names. You know, you have Athanasius and Ambrose and Augustine and Thomas, and the doctors of the church like Teresa Vavily, St Therese, St Catherine of Siena, they're all in there. The martyrs, the great martyrs, the North American martyrs, they're in there. And so what you get is one page per day, less than five minutes of reading. And in there, you see what the saints have to say about the unchanged and changeable truth of the teaching of the Catholic Church that has been handed down for 2,000 years. And the thing about this is, is once you have this knowledge within you and you see not just, oh, this saint, this doctor of the Church has said this, but this is consistent throughout 2,000 years. And then you suddenly hear somebody like Bergoglio or Leo or Cupich come up with something totally different. You will have put on the armor of God to protect yourself against the insidious snares of the devil, which are spoken by such people as Bergoglio, Leo, and Cupich. So it's almost like if you're going to be Catholic, I've said this, there should be three books in every Catholic home. Now. You should have Sacred Scripture. It should be the Douay, because some of the modern translations, like the newest translation from the usccb, is taking out all references about the evil of homosexuality. You should have Thomas, a Kempis imitation of Christ. I understand that's the second most published book in the world behind the Bible. But then this, which every priest around the globe is supposed to be praying and reading every single day. If this is in every Catholic home and you just spend five minutes a day, each day has its own saint or martyr talking about giving a writing. If you read that, you would be protected against these insidious snares that are being laid out for you. Because again, obedience is not blind subservience. When they try to lead you into error, you will be able to say, I'm sorry. But for instance, St. Benedict said this, or St. Thomas More said this. Like for instance, here's. Can I just give you this quote from St. Thomas More? He says, I do not care if I have against me all the bishops. I have with me the saints and all the doctors of the church. St. Thomas More died a martyr for the truth. Well, he's in there. He's in that. The treasures of the Church. So when you have all those saints and martyrs and doctors of the Church, you will be, you will have the strength, the courage to withstand the false teaching that is issuing forth from the heretics and apostates in the Church. That's what this book is all about. Every Catholic home should have it in there and read it. Don't let it collect dust.
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Ben Harnwell
A thousand percent. St. Thomas More, I think is the patron saint of statesman. Isn't he? Isn't he?
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Father James Altman
He could be. I know he's a patron saint of lawyers too. I think as a lawyer. Somebody sent me a first class relic, somebody from the state of Washington and I lost the address. Thank you. This to this gentleman and I hope he sees this episode so he knows I have it and I appreciate it.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, I think there's, I think there's a lot in this book that is going to help fortify the faithful because now is definitely a time to be fortified. On the, on the, on the Book of Truth in, in an age of fog. Tell me briefly about what the fog is. Your truth at last. Truth in the age of fog. Tell me a bit about the fog.
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Father James Altman
So the thing is, we most Catholic, you know, Cardinal Newman, he's about to be elevated to doctor the Church. Seven hundred years ago he said the great tragedy in the Church is the ignorance of the laity. Not only do they not know their church history or about their saints and martyrs, they don't even know how to think. We've destroyed that through the public school system. This, what this book does in short order, in hopefully easily digestible order, it helped Teach. I learned these things when I was trying to teach the high schoolers in high school, who are very sharp and catch on very quickly, how to convey almost through parables like Jesus, how to think and understand truth versus the lie. So it helps you. It teaches you how to think. That's what law school is all about, teaching you how to think. It teaches you how to think so that you can take the information given to you from a saint or Dr. Martyr and then apply it to the world around you now. Take the deposit of faith, apply it to the world around you now, and see the error. So, for instance, I talk about when Bergoglio said, it's a sin to evangelize, it's a sin to proselytize, Right? And yet Jesus, at the end of the Gospel of Matthew and at the end of the Gospel, no, your duty, I command you to go proselytize. And I use the, almost a parable of his name's Penn Jillette, who is an atheist, and he says he has no respect for a Christian who believes that he is going to go to hell if he doesn't accept Jesus into his heart. Right. If you truly believe that he said, and you don't tell me, how much do you have to hate me? That's a way to understand that when Bergoglio or anybody else says, don't proselytize, that all roads lead to heaven, all these other religions are legitimate, that's a way to understand instantly what a lie, what a heresy, what an apostasy was put out by Bergoglio. And because Leo has not refuted that by Leo himself. Another example. Oh, gosh, what could. Can't think off the top of my head now. I just got excited about this one. But when you. That is full of little ways like that to help you understand how to think about the truth of the Catholic faith, if you're going to call yourself Catholic. And the lie of the shepherds of the Church.
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Ben Harnwell
Now, just give me 30 seconds, because you, before you were ordained, like 20 years ago, you were trained as a lawyer in family law, right?
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Oscar Delgado
Yes.
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Ben Harnwell
Did that influence the sharpness and the rigor of your thinking, the clarity, your thinking?
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Father James Altman
It absolutely does. God saw fit to get me out of banking and accounting and have me go to law school. And the training you get in law school is how to think. You look at the facts, you apply the law, which is the teaching of Christ, to the facts, and you reach a conclusion. So when you understand what the truth is, and then you apply it to what's going on in this case. Bergoglio, Leo Cupich. You can readily see and then call out the error. And a lawyer is supposed to be able to teach you, to convince you of the truth of the case. And so that practice, because being a lawyer was not fun. It was constant battle. But now I find being in the church is a constant battle I never.
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Ben Harnwell
Have time for. Very quickly, where do people, people go on social media to keep up with you? And I, I beg you now, please do come back on this show. 10 seconds. Where do people go?
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Father James Altman
JFaultman.org is my personal website. There's another personal website about to come out. I'm at X is at FatherAltman. F A T H E R A L T M A N so you can. That's a good start.
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Ben Harnwell
Perfect.
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Steve Bannon
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Father James Altman
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Oscar Delgado
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Ben Harnwell
Welcome back. Wasn't Father Altman fantastic in the first half of this show? Absolutely unbelievable. Great hero of, of the, of the Catholic faith, of Christian witness. There's a common theme between the first half of the show and the second half of the show. They honored to bring on the show today Oscar Delgado, who's just made a film called Triumph over Evil, which is out in a few days. The Battle of the Exorcists. And I think I'm going to pick up some of the themes what Father Altman was talking about in the first half of the show on, on spiritual warfare and fighting against the devil. Oscar will show the. The trailer, which is superb. Right, we'll show the trailer. Just a couple of moments, but your history. Some of our viewers might, with longer memories might recognize you from your former life as an nb, as an NBC war correspondent. Just tell me before we do the trailer, a question for you. Having been there in the, in, in war zones, do you see any similarity between conventional warfare and spiritual warfare?
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Oscar Delgado
Absolutely. The reason that wars break out is because of the spiritual. It's the manifestation of spiritual darkness. That's why we have wars, you know. And as Father Altman talked about, his training as a lawyer helped him become a better priest. Me being a war producer, being able to be all these places helped me understand spiritual warfare in a deeper way.
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Ben Harnwell
Fantastic. Denver, let's play the trailer now and then we'll come back and, and talk about exactly why this film has been made at this moment in time with Oscar Delgado.
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Oscar Delgado
There's an evil that comes from the wrong choices we make.
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Steve Bannon
The devil hates human nature.
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Oscar Delgado
The devil hates.
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Father James Altman
How did Satan arise? How did it happen?
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Oscar Delgado
They have opened the door to him.
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Steve Bannon
One can be possessed by the devil.
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Father James Altman
Either through their own fault or through.
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Oscar Delgado
The fault of others.
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Steve Bannon
Jesus gave the command, cast out the devil.
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Father James Altman
The more he attacks me, the more I pray.
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Oscar Delgado
Behold the cross of the Lord.
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Father James Altman
Flee, evil spirits. Go away, Satan. Leave.
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Oscar Delgado
In the name of the Father, of.
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Father James Altman
The Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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Oscar Delgado
Wow. Wow.
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Ben Harnwell
But there are trailers and then there are trailers. You know, I really watching that again for like the 10th time today. I just want to clear the next two hours starting from this moment and just watch that film right now.
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Steve Bannon
Look.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, my first question to you then Oscar, is this. And I. I wouldn't expect you to get too much into the. The political side of the post Vatican 2 church. That'd probably be something more for me to cover with Father Altman. But the, the. I would say that the post conciliate church really does shy away from almost out of embarrassment with. From these supernatural aspects of the Catholic faith, whereas Hollywood tends towards them. Right. Why do you think that is?
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Oscar Delgado
Well, I think that it's easy, you know, if the Hollywood sensationalize it, you know, it's easy to put it on film, right. Where. Where the truth of the matter. And when there is possession or obsession or infestation, it's a little bit more subtle. But people are interested because there's a hunger for the supernatural. After 1965, they've kind of deemphasized the mystical, the supernatural. You know, all this. Ben and Father Altman would talk about it all day long. And so after 1965, I mean, there is not that understanding of that the devil exists. They kind of make it a myth. They don't really understand what is going on. And so this film, Triumph over Evil Battle of the Exorcist. It talks about reintroduces, the catechism of these demons and what we need to do to protect ourselves, our family, everything else. It's really critical because there's a lot of ignorance out there. In fact, you know, people are like saying, well, you know, it's going to be a Hollywood thing. The International association of Exorcists endorsed the film. Never before in the history have all this exorcist association gotten together and said, we need to endorse this film. Because of what we're seeing out there. People are ignorant. We've lowered the guardrails. And so the darkness comes in and people don't know how to fight it. You know, don't. People don't recognize it. And so that's why this film. I mean, it's unfortunate it's only one day, October 30, but it's in the theaters all across the country. And get your tickets early. But again, this is why we're doing it. We have to awaken the people. And so as a war correspondent, I saw the manifestation of that evil in Warsaw and destruction. And so if people were more recognized to be able to recognize the darkness, I don't think we'd be having these wars. Because wars are essentially a manifestation of darkness and evil. The demons want their territory, want us, want to spare. That's why we're. We did this film, the natural opposite.
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Ben Harnwell
The natural antidote that is blessed are the peacemakers. You mentioned sensationalization, which is obviously something when talking about exorcism to be sensitive to, right? And Hollywood normally when it portrays evil, it will have jump scares and have all the attribute, attributes to sort of to get people going. Your film is really sort of dealing with real exorcists and real cases. How did you handle this issue? How did you wrestle with this issue or how did you come out of this of how to deal with something like the issue of challenging Satan on, on, on the supernatural sphere without sensationalizing it?
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Oscar Delgado
Well, we just, we, we showed what exactly happens, the Battle of the Exorcist. We actually show it's very rare when these people are levitating and going out a window or something like that. It's very rare. So we tried to make it as real as possible and as catechetical as possible so that people really understand what, what's happening. And the other thing is, on the, on the positive side is we're trying to protect people. We're trying to show them, you know, what you need to have sacramentals for Catholics, you know, the miraculous medal, pray the rosary or go to confession if you're Christian. You need to be aware of the temptations all around you. So you don't let the portal, you know, let the darkness in. And that's the key. You know what I mean, Ben? People are ignorant of what is really happening outside. They see people are in despair, this, this is happening, but they don't really understand the cause, the root causes of it. And in fact, you know, other, you know, well known podcasters now are understanding, like Tucker Carlson said, he got attacked by a demon. And people are like, what, what are you talking about? So people, there's an understanding now that the supernatural, that there's no answers, and now they're turning to the supernatural saying, hey man, there's a supernatural darkness and we need to pay attention. And what is it that we have to do? So this film, you know, triumph over Evil, Battle of the Exorcist. Again, you could go, it's on October 30th, helps us. And we purposely put it on October 30th against Halloween, you know, which is the high holy days of the, of the, of the satanic forces. You know, we said, okay, we're going to do it before then and we're going to protect people because really don't know what's out there. And for people that don't know what's happening, we, we put this out there so that they're, they're equipped to deal with, just to be equipped about, you know, understanding what people are getting into. Unfortunately, you mentioned so much there.
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Ben Harnwell
Let's start off with this. Do you think that the Holy Spirit. This is. Mike. This is my contention. This is what I mentioned on the show before. I look at, I look at the fact that Charlie Kirk, when he was assassinated, was wearing, I think at his wife's bidding, the, the miraculous medal to St. Michael the Arcane. And of course, that was an opportunity for the whole of the evil evangelical sphere to learn something about this particular Catholic devotional. And then like a couple of weeks later, President Trump on the White, on the official White House website, put out a congratulatory message to Catholics for the feast, for the feast of St. Michael the Archangel. And like, this is a, this is a contrast in split screens because whilst POTUS was doing that, whilst Charlie Kirk cut down wearing a medal to, to St. Michael, Pope Leo, inverted commas, was blessing a block of ice. Now, here you are. Here are. Here am I with a laity. Right. Isn't something happening? Is the Holy Spirit doing something here that you're out doing effectively? What is a teaching moment? Right. Informing not just Catholics, but even evangelicals about possibly some of the Catholic. You know, it's an opportunity for evangelicals to know something about these great Catholic devotionals as resistance to the spiritual and demonic forces. Whereas the, the formal Vatican, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church is absent without leave. Something is happening that the laity is taking on this responsibility that was traditionally that of the, of the bishops, cardinals and popes.
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Oscar Delgado
Right, Right. Well, let me just, I mean, let's do this quote, which I quote all the time, and I don't know if you're a big fan of his, but Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen said something profound. So it's not going to be the bishops, it's not going to be the priest, it's going to be the laity that's going to help renew the church. And he said that many, many times. So I take that as kind of our guiding light. You know, we've got to step up because we are the ones that need to bring back, I think, and that's what I think is prophetic. Bring back what is going on and reorientate back to what we're, we're needing, you know, and so I follow Archbishop Sheen in that instance. And so what we're trying to do and what you're doing is bringing that the truth, the authentic Gospel message, the magisterial message to everyone around the world, because they're not being taught it. They're not being taught about spiritual warfare. They're not being taught about the realities of evil. They're not being taught about, hey, protect your home, wear your Sacramentos, do different things to help protect yourself in the darkness. And so I'll tell you a quick story. When I interviewed Saddam Hussein on Christmas Eve, I walked into the palace, and there was just this darkness, oppression. I saw him. It was Christmas Eve. When I shook his hand, I looked in his eyes. There was no reflection. Well, halfway during the interview, he talked about attacking Israel. That's where I made international news. And then right after he said that, I started coughing and coughing and coughing, and I was like. And we had to stop the interview. And I went in and I took a little bit of tea and I said a prayer to St. Michael. I said, do not embarrass me saying, michael, I got to finish this interview. I need to go forward. And that was one of the times, and I think that was the moment that I said, I've got to invoke supernatural help and protection when I'm confronting evil. And this film, you know, triumph Over Evil, Battle of the Exodus, helps us understand that. And that's really, you know, in what we're talking about. The Vatican may be not dealing with these issues, but the people are. They're dealing with so many different things. Pornography, they're dealing with, you know, despair. They're dealing with all these things. They're not happy. They don't understand what is going on. And this film helps at least equip them to say, you know what? It's the darkness that's coming into into your life, and you need to try to repel it. And here's how you could do it.
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Ben Harnwell
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Oscar Delgado
Have a hunger. You know, you cannot, you can secularize everything but really inside of us, Ben, there is a hunger that calls out for the supernatural cause something deeper. And you know, we're here on this earth for a reason. And if you try to make it just about your bank account or you make it about, you know, a nice lifestyle, at the end you're going to be empty. So this film tries to deepen what we're really the purpose for our life and really try to help us guide what we need to do is to get into eternity. So you know, again I would recommend people want the prayers and everything. Triumphoverevilfilm.com you go there. It's only one night this Thursday. And again it's against Halloween, it's against the darkness that people are all around us. But yeah, there is a hunger band that people really want, are looking for and yearning for and it's placed in there by God. You know, we have a purpose, Christ, connect, we are connected, we are creator for a purpose. And I think that there's emptiness and I think that's why people are searching and looking for the supernatural. Unfortunately a lot of times they go into these new age type of things that you know, they may look fulfilling but they're not at the end they don't, they don't really are able to satisfy what your soul is looking for.
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Ben Harnwell
We've only got a Couple of moments, couple of minutes left now of this show. And Triumph Over Evil. It's not a horror film fundamentally, even though it deals with exorcism, it's a film about hope. Right. What do you draw out from the film, having made this film, as an indication to get to give people assurance that evil doesn't prevail against light, that light always has ultimate victory in the end?
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Oscar Delgado
Well, the title in and of itself, Triumph Over Evil is the, you know, is the essence of the title, right? We're going to win. We know we're going to win at the end. Read the Bible. We just don't know how much pain we have to go through for. For that victory. And so this film will help you lessen the pain because you're going to be aware of things that you may not be aware of. In fact, there is one exorcist. I saw the film, and in fact, he's in the bonus features. Monsignor Rosetti said, I learned things I didn't even know about watching this. So it's for Priest, it's for Laity, it's for anybody that's trying to figure out. They look around and they say, geez, I really don't know what's going on. This will help you kind of equip yourself to the different things that are going on in the world and help you navigate. And I guess this film is more than anything else a teaching moment, but it's entertaining as well. It's not a boring documentary. It's a very interesting way of presenting things. So that will help you as you move forward into life and give you some answers.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, Goya Productions has a. Has a. Has a great track record of making films that fit into this category. They made a superb film on Fatima a couple of years ago. Just tell me, do you have any. Is there any organizational system going on for church groups to organize, to block books, theaters to go together?
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Oscar Delgado
Absolutely. If they go to the triumph over evil film.com website, you can go into there and there's with. With Fathom or with anybody. They do big black booking of sales. Even if there's 20 or 25 or 30, they'll give you a discount. So. But I would try to get your tickets early because I'm telling you, they're starting to sell out in different places. So. And the other thing is, like the other film, what happens is you're able to get tickets in advance. They'll open up more showings. So which is what we want. We really want people to come out and be able to see the film and, and get the tickets early so you're not left on the outside.
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Ben Harnwell
And it's. There's an ecumenical opportunity here, right?
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Oscar Delgado
Ecumenical, exactly.
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Ben Harnwell
Difficult to go and see this film together. Right?
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Oscar Delgado
Right. Absolutely. That I, everybody's invited and you'll learn a lot. Everybody will learn a lot. It's very important to go and see it and they'll be entertained as well.
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Ben Harnwell
So just once again, could you just remind us of, of the social, your presence on social media? Where do people go to learn more about the film? To follow you?
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Oscar Delgado
Right, sure. Triumph over triumphoverevilfilm.com October 30th this one day only 30th of October, this coming Thursday. And to learn about me, I'm on Facebook Oscar Delgado. But the main place is to go onto that website and learn a lot about his prayers and the trailer and other things that you'll really enjoy and to be able to buy your tickets there too.
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Ben Harnwell
Oscar, many thanks indeed for coming on the show today and sharing your background in putting that film together. That's all we have time for today. Warm. We're back at 10am tomorrow. Thanks to my guest Oscar Delgado and father James Altman today for Will and Spencer in Denver and the great team at Real America's Voice. And of course to Victorio Franco who spent all week putting this show together and thank him very much indeed for that.
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