WarRoom Battleground EP 878: Deep Dive: An Inconvenient Study

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Battleground EP 878

Title: Deep Dive: An Inconvenient Study
Date: October 28, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon (WarRoom.org)
Featured Guests: Del Bigtree, Dr. Marcus Zervos (via footage), Dr. Paul Thomas

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Overview

This episode centers on Del Bigtree’s pursuit of the long-suppressed “vaccinated vs. unvaccinated” health outcome study conducted by Henry Ford Health and led by Dr. Marcus Zervos. The conversation explores chronic illnesses in American children, institutional resistance to vaccine safety studies, and the making of the documentary film "An Inconvenient Study." Bannon and Bigtree critically examine institutional incentives, the impact of the film, and the ongoing battle for medical transparency and bodily autonomy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Context: Vaccine Safety & Chronic Illness

• Chronic Health in Children: The episode opens with Bannon and guests referencing statistics claiming over 50% of American children have permanent chronic diseases.
• The Unstudied Question: Despite pervasive vaccine mandates, neither U.S. nor global health agencies have completed a large-scale, direct comparison of fully vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated children's health outcomes.
• Quote (Del Bigtree, 10:39):

  "This is the study... every parent of a vaccine-injured child said where did they show that they're safe? Why won't they just do a comparative study...?”

2. Del Bigtree’s Advocacy & Legal Campaign

• Role in Pfizer Data Release: Bigtree details his organization's lawsuits that led to the release of Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trial data, as well as CDC’s V-safe program records.
• Emphasis on Sovereignty and Freedom:

  “If you don't control your own body, then... you have the same rights as a farm animal.” (Del Bigtree, 06:44)

• Legal Victories: Religious exemptions regained in Mississippi and ongoing lawsuits in West Virginia to restore vaccine opt-out rights.

3. The Henry Ford Study – What Happened?

• Initiation: Bigtree persuades Dr. Marcus Zervos—pro-vaccine and leader of the Moderna clinical trial at Henry Ford Health—to conduct the “holy grail” study (2016-2020).

• Institutional Resistance:

  • Despite completion, Henry Ford Health refuses publication citing study “limitations.”
  • Internal statements reveal fear of professional ruin and claim the study would be “devastating” to the vaccine program.

• Quote (Dr. Zervos, 36:04):

  “Publishing something like that, I might as well retire. I’d be finished.”

• Undercover Footage: Bigtree documents attempts to pressure Zervos to publish, eventually catching candid admissions on hidden camera.

• Data Leaked: The study is ultimately published through Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate website (2024-2025).

4. Study Results and Analysis

• Key Findings:

  • Vaccinated children had significantly higher rates of chronic illnesses versus unvaccinated children.
  • Examples:
    • 4x more likely to have asthma
    • 6x higher autoimmune disease
    • 5.5x more neurodevelopmental disorders
    • In some categories (ADHD, diabetes, learning disabilities), there were zero cases in the unvaccinated group
  • At age 10, only 43% of vaccinated children were free of chronic illness versus 83% of unvaccinated.

• Quote (Epidemiologist/Statistician, 38:00):

  “At 10 years, the likelihood of being free from a chronic illness was only 43% in the vaccinated group versus 83% in the unvaccinated group. It's a big difference.”

• Conclusion Statement (Steve Bannon reading):

  “Exposure to vaccination was independently associated with an overall 2.5-fold increase in the likelihood of developing a chronic health condition...” (37:32)

• Dr. Paul Thomas Commentary (41:02):

  “There are always pros and cons to everything. And when we have a deep-seated religious bias in favor of vaccines, we've lost balance. And when we lose balance, the entire scientific enterprise goes off track.”

5. Institutional Integrity and Pressure

• Career Threats: Zervos expresses personal and professional fear—asserting he would be “crushed” if the results were published; fears being viewed as the destroyer of vaccination orthodoxy.
• Quote (Dr. Zervos, 40:23):

  “I'm not a good person. I can't handle it... I'm not gonna do it because I've got other stuff to worry about.”

6. Documentary as Movement Leverage

• Film Release: “An Inconvenient Study” is now available for free dissemination.
• Bigtree’s Call to Action: Urges listeners to share the film to combat media suppression and institutional inertia.
• Quote (Del Bigtree, 48:53):

  “You can download the film... send them the link... It's free. We want you to give this to everybody... This is an ICBM missile laying in the middle of the field. We've got to pick it up. We've got to point it at the weakness in this group globalist system that is trying to rob us of our future.”

7. Emotional and Moral Reflections

• Human Cost: The episode includes the tragic story of Colton, a boy paralyzed after HPV vaccination, who ultimately took his own life (30:42–32:39).
• Ethical Dilemma: Zervos’ visible agony underscores the moral burden scientists face under institutional pressure—leading Bigtree and Bannon to reflect on collective courage.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "[This is] the holy grail of all studies. ...Why can't a single health agency... do a study that compares the health outcomes of vaccinated to completely unvaccinated? ...That's why this study is so important."
  — Del Bigtree (10:39)

• “Publishing something like that, I might as well retire. I’d be finished.”
  — Dr. Marcus Zervos (36:04)

• "At 10 years, the likelihood of being free from a chronic illness was only 43% in the vaccinated group versus 83% in the unvaccinated group. It's a big difference."
  — Epidemiologist/Statistician (38:00)

• "If you don't control your own body, …you have the same rights as a farm animal. That’s how they're treating you…”
  — Del Bigtree (06:44)

• “There are always pros and cons… when we have a deep-seated religious bias in favor of vaccines, we've lost balance… large populations are harmed.”
  — Dr. Paul Thomas (41:02)

• "I'm not a good person. I can't handle it. ...I'm just not going to move. I'm not gonna do it because I've got other stuff to worry about."
  — Dr. Marcus Zervos (40:23)

• "This is the most important shot at big pharma... this film will go down in history as one of those moments... a leverageable moment."
  — Steve Bannon (25:35, 48:53 summary)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:55 – Reference to chronic disease rates in US children.
• 04:35 – Del Bigtree details legal battle to release vaccine safety data.
• 10:39 – Bigtree explains the significance of the vaxxed/unvaxxed study.
• 16:31 – Why institutional independence matters for credibility.
• 20:32 – Timeline of persuading Dr. Zervos and eventual study leak.
• 23:26 – Bigtree reveals Zervos’ private fear over study impact.
• 36:04–37:32 – Study results revealed: higher rates of illness in vaccinated.
• 38:00 – Explanation of key statistical findings.
• 41:02 – Dr. Paul Thomas emphasizes scientific balance over dogma.
• 42:24 – Bigtree describes undercover filmmaking process.
• 48:53 – Film rollout strategy and call to action.

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Call to Action & Final Reflection

Bigtree urges listeners to download and freely share "An Inconvenient Study" from anInconvenienceStudy.com to spark debate and force transparency, framing this as an unprecedented opportunity to challenge entrenched medical and institutional dogmas.

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This episode blends investigative narrative, scientific claims, raw personal stories, and a rallying cry for medical freedom, delivered in a tone combining urgency, emotional intensity, and adversarial skepticism toward public health institutions and pharmaceutical companies.

Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Del Bigtree]

And where do people like that go.

[Steve Bannon]

To share the big lie?

[Del Bigtree]

MAGA Media. I wish in my soul I w that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Del Bigtree]

If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

War room.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Del Bigtree]

We are now the sickest country in the world.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

It is now believed that over 54% of our kids have a permanent chronic disease. Shouldn't we look closest at the one product designed to alter our immune system for life?

[Del Bigtree]

There'd be one easy study to rule it out.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

The vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. As fate would have it, Dell met Marcus Servos. He agreed to do a vaxxed versus unvaxed study.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

Kids that are vaccinated. It doesn't look so good.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

4.47 times the amount.

[Steve Bannon]

5 1/2 times risk, 6 times increase.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Amongst the unvaccinated group, there were zero.

[Epidemiologist/Statistician]

Like, if this is true, this is devastating.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

It needs to be published.

[Steve Bannon]

This is information the public should have had. 2020 and I forced the issue.

[Del Bigtree]

Did you see how Ford responded?

[Narrator/Interviewer]

They said this report was not published because it did not meet the rigorous.

[Del Bigtree]

Scientific standards we demand as a premier medical research institution. They have forced our hand. We're gonna have to show them the footage.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

I'm gonna bring hidden cameras and recording equipment so that no matter what happens at this dinner, I can prove it happened.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

Good to see you.

[Del Bigtree]

What do you think about the study you guys have done?

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

I think it's a good study, but it is. It does have limitations.

[Del Bigtree]

Do you find any flaws in the study? I mean, is it a way they can do the study better?

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

I put it out just how it is. I don't want to say it's not.

[Del Bigtree]

The right thing to do.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

It's the right thing to do.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

But the.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

I just don't wanna. Somebody's gonna come back and they're gonna say, well, no, the study was. The study is flawed.

[Del Bigtree]

The unpublished Henry Ford analysis is fundamentally flawed.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

How about looking at this as important scientific information that can inform how the harbor study should be done? Won't Be taken like that. And then because there's a political agenda.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

To it, is what your study shows.

[Del Bigtree]

Is it important?

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

Yeah, it is important. I'm just not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

[Del Bigtree]

If I can't get this study out, then what hope is there for every.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Kid in the future?

[Del Bigtree]

I said to you, if you do this study, you're going to come under fire.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

You said, I don't care about that.

[Del Bigtree]

I'm all about the data. And I'm about to retire anyway. That's literally what you said.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah.

[Del Bigtree]

So your energy has definitely changed on that.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

Energy's changing. Publishing, something like that. Might as well retire. I'd be finished.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

This is an inconvenient study for the entire vaccine agenda.

[Steve Bannon]

Welcome to the early evening edition of the War Room. We are honored today to spend the hour with one of the most important people in the Make America Healthy Again movement. And therefore one of the most important people in our country. And Dale, before I get into this, quite frankly, stunning film off of this study that you obviously have dedicated a big part of your resources to get to the bottom of it, make sure the American people knows. Know what's going on. I want to make sure I go to something that is so basic and so fundamental about you and your efforts. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Just take a minute to walk me through. If it was not for you and your organization, and I mean, early on in this fight, we would really be totally blind to the COVID vaccine injuries. Everything about Pfizer. Talk to me about what you did to free up the Pfizer report. Because if it hadn't been for Del Bigtree and his team, we'd be completely blind to everything that really went on. And that from the source's mouth, which was Pfizer, in their own internal studies, sir.

[Del Bigtree]

Yeah, I mean, just very quickly, I want to make it clear I'm not a doctor. I'm a journalist. I was a producer on the daytime talks to the Doctors at cbs. I won an Emmy award doing medical research sciences television. I made the documentary Vaxed from COVID up to Catastrophe with Andy Wakefield that changed my career forever. Destroyed my television career. Because once you've gone against pharma, you can't work in tv. It didn't matter. I doubled down on that investigation. That film came out in 2016. I wanted to get to the bottom of the idea of vaccine safety. I didn't really care, honestly, if vaccine, you know, we hear that they're safe and effective, but how did we know they were safe. That's what I wanted to know because I met hundreds of thousands of vaccine injured families across the country when I toured with vax. So I started my nonprofit, the Informed Consent Action Network, with one goal in mind really, and that was to eradicate man made disease anywhere where we were poisoning our children. I wanted to show it, but most specifically in the vaccine arena. So I hired international scientists around the world. I brought in one of the greatest constitutional attorneys of all times. His name is Aaron Seri. And as you know, Steve. But very few people recognize there is complete liability protection of our vaccine program. You cannot sue the manufacturers for this product. You can't sue the doctor, you can't sue the gymnasium. If they decide to give this to your kid while they were at school, you can't sue anybody. So the government's protecting them. So we did something no one had ever done. We started suing the government of the United States of America. And we started winning against fda, nih, cdc, Health and Human Services. All of that started in the end of 2016. So by the time Covid came around, we had like, you know, all of these lawsuits we'd won. We knew how the game was played. So Covid, once warp speed vaccine came along, we knew how they were going to rush that product on the market. We knew how they were going to cheat the system because they'd done it over and over and over again with every childhood vaccine. So they basically played into our hand and then we started suing because obviously they said, we're going to be very transparent. They recognized all of us. They said, look, we are rushing this onto the market. It got an emergency use authorization. But we said, well, where's the science? How did you determine it was safe? How did you determine that it was effective? Where's the Pfizer data? Where's the Moderna data? So we sued the fda and the fda, as you know, came out in that courtroom and said, it's going to take us 75 years to produce the Pfizer data. And Aaron Seri said, on behalf of our nonprofit Informed Consent, you know, Consent Action Network, if it's going to take 75 years, how did you determine it was ready for people? I mean, you obviously read something. How is it that we can't see it for 75 years but you, in a couple of weeks were able to determine it was safe enough and effective enough to give to everyone in the world? That's unacceptable. The judge rebuked the FDA and then ended up forcing them to release The Pfizer data. We had the same case and won the Moderna data. We also sued CDC for the V safe data. That was the app that went on your cell phone that could track all of your injuries after you got the vaccine. We sued for that data. And now people are writing books like the Pfizer papers and everything, which is fantastic. That's all we try to do is create transparency around this conversation. Now, the world has that data because really because of the support of ICANN and all of our great supporters out there. This wouldn't be possible if people weren't donating to make that happen. It cost millions and millions of dollars to bring those lawsuits. And I want to also point out we're really into freedom. I think this is the biggest freedom issue there is. Steve. If you don't control your own body, then you don't have. You aren't a citizen. You don't have rights. You have the same rights as a farm animal. That's how they're treating you when they tell you you can't go to work if you don't get a vaccine. And by the way, when they say your kid can't go to school unless they get vaccinated, that's your government telling you your children are the property of the US Government. They are not your children. This must end. It's the number one fight we have. I don't care if you want to vaccinate, but it has to be a choice. If it is not, then we have no rights whatsoever. Nothing else is more important than our sovereignty in our body. So we've won back with that same Aaron Siri. We won back the religious exemption in Mississippi. So after for since 1975, they could not put their kids in school without vaccinating them. Now, as of two years ago, we won back the right to go to school without a vaccination. And we're dead in the middle of a massive lawsuit in West Virginia. We believe we're going to win back the religious exemption for West Virginia, which means there will be only four states left that are taking away your right to opt out of the vaccine program. And we're on the front lines in every one of those states.

[Steve Bannon]

What are the four states?

[Del Bigtree]

Just for our audience, you've got California. California will be remaining. Connecticut, Maine, and California, Connecticut, Maine, New York. Those four.

[Steve Bannon]

God, I'm so shocked. It's California, Connecticut, and new shocking, it's those four. So you still got four giants to slave, but okay, that's it. No, because you're fascinating Character. You're a fascinating guy. Okay? So from that and folks we would have nothing if Dale Bigtree didn't take him to court on the 75 years information. We'd be flying blind on this. Totally blind and without victories. Now this for you're obsessed by this study. And when I tell people when Dale Bigtree is obsessed with something, it's a good thing because shit's gonna happen. Talk to me about what? What is the obsession? This is like. You're like. You're like Ahab and this is the white whale. What is it about this study that has gotten you so focused on it that you would actually. Because you told me the other day you're not a o' Keefe guy. You kind of fight this at a very different level. You actually figured hey, I gotta go full 60 minutes. I gotta go Keith on this. What is it about this study is we're gonna break this film down to a couple of component pieces. What is it about this study that's gotten you so obsessed with it?

[Del Bigtree]

It's the holy grail of all studies. This is the study. When I got into this conversation and started investigating it, every parent of a vaccine injured child said where did they show that they're safe? Why won't they just do a comparative study to that compares the health outcomes of those children that were vaccinated to those that never received any vaccines. Why is this study never been done anywhere in the world? Robert Kennedy Jr. Ran his presidential campaign. I was his director of communications when he did that. But he ran on. I'm going to do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated comparative study. If I can get into the health agencies of the United States of America. Now I, you know, it's rumored that those databases he would have used were destroyed before he got there. So that's how much the other side, the pro vaccine pharmacide does not want this study done. And that is the heart of it, you know, because let's be honest, why, why haven't they done the most obvious study known to man. We are, we're at a civil war over vaccines. Now whether or not they're destroying our kids lives or making them healthier, the news and mainstream media obviously takes the position. It does. That you are. It's a crime against humanity to not vaccinate your child. But why can't a single health agency in the world, not the uk, not Australia, not India, not Africa, not the United States of America, not Canada, no one, no one is can figure out how to do a Study that compares the health outcomes of vaccinated to completely unvaccinated. And you know, they'll say, well we can't figure out how to do that study, which is the craziest statement ever made. That's why this study is so important. And it's been done a few times. As we point out in the film, there's been about four or five small studies done. One was done by the University of Mississippi. Dr. Mawson did a homeschool study of 600 kids, found unbelievable rates of autoimmune disease amongst the vaccinated and almost none in the unvaccinated population. Same thing. Dr. Paul Thomas, a pediatrician in Oregon, did a study, nearly 10,000 children I believe, in his own practice comparing those that got the vaccines to those that got none. The none were the safest, the healthiest. Now he's traveling the world, lost his license for doing that study, by the way, but tells everyone in the world, don't do vaccines. I did it my whole life is the greatest mistake I ever made. But this study, this study wasn't done by a doctor that was open minded about vaccines. This was done by Dr. Marcus Zervos, the head of infectious disease and virology at Henry Ford Health, which is one of the preeminent research institutes in the world. They brag about how they vaccinate everyone on this staff. Dr. Marcus Zervos was the head of the Moderna arm of the research for Henry Ford. So he pushed that vaccine through. So when he agreed with me, I challenged him. I said I was lucky enough to have dinner with him. And I said, look, if you're right and vaccines actually make our children healthier, then why don't you do a comparative study, compare the vaccinated to the unvaccinated. And he agreed to do the study. I was mind blown, but he's a good scientist. He already fought in Michigan on the Flint, Michigan water crisis. He outed the health department there that they were poisoning the underserved in Detroit, Michigan with lead pipes and Legionnaires disease. And he stood up for humanity. So he's the type of guy, I thought this guy might just follow through. Well, he did follow through, but then he wouldn't publish the study. And this is like I said, this is the holy grail. And I knew it. I knew as soon as he didn't publish it, I was like, I got a sneaking suspicion what's going on here. I'll bet you it showed that the vaccinated are completely and totally sick. And I just kept saying, Dr. Zervos, you promised you'd publish it, do what's right and publish that study. Finally I said, can we have dinner? And I flew out to Michigan and had dinner and I brought hidden cameras and recording equipment because as I say in the trailer, these are the children of our world. If there is something that is, we know is poisoning them and everyone's too afraid to say it, then I got to bring cameras. I got to do whatever it takes so that people can know the truth. And that's what this film is about. That's what I think this study shows us. But let me be clear. There's a cease and desist letter against us. Henry Ford is claiming defamation. Now, I want to make sure that you know that what they are saying is that it's not that the vaccine, it wasn't the results of the study. That is why it didn't get published. It didn't get published because it's not a good study and it didn't meet their scientific standards. That's the basic gist of the accusation against us. But they, when they sent that cease and desist, they didn't know I recorded their head of infectious disease saying the exact opposite, saying, it's a good study, it should be published. I'm just not going to do it because it'll destroy my career. And that's where we're at. So now we have a film. You can watch it, you can download the study. You can make this decision for yourself. And I'm telling you, I don't think there's a more compelling film out there. I. You know, we have wanted this study for a very long time. And with nothing better than having a study by your detractors, those trying to prove you wrong, when they prove you're right, you really know you're onto something.

[Steve Bannon]

No, let me just go down and we're going to show some of these in a second. I've already overrun my allocation for what we have up, but I think it's more important to do it this way. Why, given these other studies out there that you say are very solid and show overwhelming evidence? Did you think it was important because you contacted these guys early on? Why was it important for someone like Henry Ford, particularly for the audience? Are not familiar with a lot of the nomenclature here. Why was it important for you to have someone at the, at the prestige of a Henry Ford medical actually do a study when there have been other studies out there that showed overwhelming evidence that the vaccinated kids were much more unhealthy than the unvaxed, sir.

[Del Bigtree]

Yeah, because I recognize, look, I used to be a liberal progressive from Boulder, Colorado, and an environmentalist and all of those things. I know what it's like to have a bias. I know. I mean, I've had to really, you know, deal with a giant. You know, I consider myself like the prodigal son here. I'm as conservative as it gets. I want freedom. I want as little government as absolutely possible. Now, but I remember how I used to think, and I remember what mattered to me. And I wanted information that didn't come from the bias side of what, you know, was against me. And so it has never been lost on me. And people will say, well, Dell, why didn't, you know, if you, if you guy gave you the study, he handed it to us at this dinner back in, you know, 2020. Why didn't you publish it? Well, number one, if I publish it, it looks like I did it. And everyone say, well, Del, big guy, it's his study. No, we wanted it to come from someone that is clearly not on our side. That's the only way I believe we would ever trust the science. It has to come from the other side. When I ran, you know, when I was working with Bobby, preparing him, should he have, you know, should, God willing, he get into the White House somewhere and where he landed, HHS is perfect. But I said, Bobby, you cannot fill. You can't do these studies with a bunch of people that have already been, like, said to be anti vaxxers. You've got to find great scientists that everyone trusts, which is what he did. Look at who he got. Dr. Marty Makary, a guy that was pro COVID vaccine. Dr. Mehmet Oz supported the COVID vaccine. Bobby did not surround himself with shills and neither did President Trump in going across the aisle and picking Robert Kennedy Jr. If you want change, you need to have that pressure of debate. You got to have the honesty there. And that's why this study was so important. And I'm not going to say, look, Paul Thomas did a great study, but it was clear he was already questioning the safety of vaccines. So you could argue he had a bias. Dr. Anthony Mawson, that attack was less about his bias and more about the size of his study with the homeschool study. But they always have these attacks. I just thought, what if we could get someone that is so publicly pro vaccine, comes from the institute that gives us most of our vaccines and does whatever studies they're going to do on them and has A large enough database, Steve, this is one of the best databases in the world. It may even be better than the database the CDC had, because not only do they have all the children in the Henry Ford health system, they are both the insurer and the provider. So they get all of their vaccine records, all of their health records, that even if that kid is out of state and maybe gets sick or injured in another state, they still pay the insurance, so they still get that data. So they had all the data on these, you know, 18,000 kids, you can't get better data to study than that. But for that reason, I've never wanted to like just say trust me, because Del Beatri said so or because Robert Kennedy Jr. Said so. I want the science to show you. So it's about the science. And that's why I'm so passionate about the fact that Henry Ford did this. And look, I don't know what they're saying, defamation, I'll say it over and over again. They're the greatest research, one of the greatest research institutes in the world. Dr. Marcus Zerbos is a world renowned scientist. He knows how to do this study. I believe he's done it as well as it can be done. And now we've really got to take a deep look because it doesn't stand alone, because it isn't an anomaly, because it is mirroring the studies done by these other people that you said had a bias. Well, now we've come from the other perspective. We're seeing the same reproducible results, which to me, that's real science. That's the scariest kind of science there is. Because now it shows us no matter who does this study, they're coming out with the same exact signal.

[Steve Bannon]

Just so we understand the timeline, after you talked them into it, not talked to them, they said they were going to do it from the time they started. How long did it take them? What's the duration of the time they had to do this study?

[Del Bigtree]

I first convinced, you know, I first talked him into doing the study in 2016. I visited him in 2018 to put greater pressure on him. And I brought Aaron Seri, my attorney, to have that conversation. He agreed in 2018. We found out in 2020 that the study had been finished, but that they weren't publishing it. I spent over a year calling him at different times, trying everything I could to inspire him to publish the study. And then finally, I believe it was in 2022. I asked him if we could have a dinner. And the main goal of that dinner was just to meet him face to face and say, will you please publish this study? You can see it when you see in the film. You see me trying every possible angle on this conversation to inspire this man to do what's right. Unfortunately, I could not do that. And so it sat there until Ron Johnson, Senator Ron Johnson, God bless him, what a warrior he has been on this issue. He got his hands on it just a few months ago. And I got a call, I think it was in August, from Aaron Seri. My lawyer said, ron Johnson has the study and he is going to publish it on the Senate website. I didn't want it coming from us, as I said. I also didn't know that it was a copyright issue if we published it. But Ron Johnson, I guess as a public official, he can publish it as the public good. So he published it on the Senate website, and that's what made it available for us to legally use it and now show the world and show them the footage and how this study happened. So. So that's the timeline. We. We made this documentary faster than anything you've ever seen. When, you know, when I got a call said you got about a month and a half to make a documentary, I'm like, Aaron, you're a lawyer. You're not a filmmaker that takes a year to make a film like that. And he says, I don't care. Get it done. Ron Johnson's already got the hearing set. And I'm really proud of my team, man. They work day and night, and I wouldn't change a thing. I think the film really nails it to the wall.

[Steve Bannon]

The film is mesmerizing. And not just that, folks. When you watch it, it's almost like you're watching a thriller. You don't really know from one moment to the next. So it's not like a. It's almost like a narrative film. It's almost like you would go to the movies and see it. It's so tense. I just want to ask you, did any time when you were talking to them about doing the study or you went back and you had another meeting, and then in 2020, you heard it was done? Did at any time they tell you the outcome before you then had the dinner with them? When you actually did the filming, you did the undercover camera work, did you know the results? Did they imply that it came out in favor of or came out with evidence that showed that the people that got vaxxed had was. Were more unhealthy than the unvaxed? Did you know the results of the study. By the time you went in and did the undercover work, you know, I.

[Del Bigtree]

Had had a conversation that didn't get recorded prior to bringing that recording on the phone with Dr. Zervos where he told me that these results are so bad it will end the vaccine program. And Dell, I'm not. I did not sign up for this to end the vaccine program.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

I said, really?

[Del Bigtree]

That is not in the film. There were no cameras rolling when that happened. But that's, you know, I didn't have a lot of information. I didn't know what that meant, but boy, I wanted to find out. And that's why I brought the cameras and everything. And then. And you can see it, they. He hands me the study right there at the table in that footage. The first time I actually put my.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Hands on that study is in the.

[Del Bigtree]

Footage you see in the film.

[Steve Bannon]

Was it. Because here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take this down to the. Our natural break. We come back, we're playing a ton of the footage. I'll have Dell come in, explain what you've seen, because I wanted. I actually want the clips to run together now because they're so dramatic. Dell, since this guy is a top researcher, right. World class at a world class facility, I think what the audience keeps asking is about these institutions are supposed to stand for integrity and truth. And we kind of depend on these institutions to do. That's one of the reasons we're in an anti institution age, because whether it's the FBI, the CIA or the Congress or the cdc, people feel so betrayed by what they originally believed as kids was the reason this guy, after he told you that this would be so devastating, it would kind of end the. The debate. Is it really careerism or is it just the pressure that if he ever put something out like this, he more than other people would be crushed?

[Del Bigtree]

He will be crushed and he will go down in history as being one of the authorities that finally brought the death blow to the greatest mistake that's ever been made in science. And he's worried, I think he won't be celebrated. He will be hated for it by every here that believed in what is more of a religion than it is a science.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. We're going to play some of the footage for this incredible movie. An inconvenience Study this. This film you're about to see will go down in the history of this movement as one of those moments that is what I call a leverageable moment. Things will not be the same after this gets totally disseminated. And what we want the War Room Posse to do is make sure you become a force multiplier on this and assist Dell and his great team in pushing this film out. We want everybody to see it because once people see it, they're going to sit there and go, hang on. So much I've been told, so much I've been spoon fed just needs to be questioned, right? I need to see the facts. I need to see the receipts. The power of this film is Dale Bigtree and his team know where the receipts are and they're trying to make sure the American people get a shot at it. Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. Want to thank Birch Gold, our sponsor? Take out your phone and Text Bannon at 989-898. Get the Ultimate Guide for Investing in Gold and Precious Metals in the Age of Trump. The gold market is turbulent. Why is that? We're in a massive de dollarization effort throughout the world. Find out what all that means by going and getting the ultimate guide for investing in gold and precious metals. Don't forget Silver in the Age of Trump. Short commercial break the film Inconvenient Truth. We'll play clips from it next. And Dale Bigtree is going to rejoin us in the War Room.

[Del Bigtree]

America's Heart. Go on.

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[Colton's Parent]

Colton was a 13 year old, healthy, strong boy. He loved anything that has to do with an adrenaline rush. Motocross was his passion. The doctor says, hey, he's the age that you should get the HPV vaccine. I said, okay. So he was administered the vaccine that evening. When he sat up to take a drink of water, he just flopped back and his head just hit the pillow. And I went, colton, are you going paralyzed? They immediately took him down to Primary Children's Hospital in Salt Lake. Original diagnosis was transverse myelitis. When the doctor came out and asked me, has he been sick? I said, no, he hasn't been sick. He had the HPV vaccine on February 1st. And they went, oh, well, we'll be reporting that to Vars. It does suck like not being able to play sports anymore.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

Now I have to settle on the sideline. So watch.

[Colton's Parent]

Everybody gotta do your research.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

Like you don't.

[Del Bigtree]

Can't just trust a doctor anymore.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

Do your own ways to find out what's best for you.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Unfortunately, Colton ended up taking his life in 2018 because he believed he'd become too much of a burden on his family. But the thing I remember was this box that was hanging on his side that was breathing for him and it went through a tube that was going through a hole in his throat. I thought about all of the people that accused these so called anti vaxxers of bringing back polio or the iron lung. Once vaccination rates fall, you're going to.

[Del Bigtree]

Have a lot of people getting sick.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

And a lot of children paralyzed for the rest of their life with polio. I thought, he's wearing an iron lung. You're not laying in a metal tube anymore. They've reduced it down to a box that's hangs on your side in a.

[Del Bigtree]

Hose that goes to your throat.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

But in this case, he wasn't paralyzed because he had polio. He wasn't paralyzed because he didn't vaccinate. He was paralyzed by the Gardasil HPV vaccine.

[Del Bigtree]

I chose to get my daughter vaccinated because I want her to be one less woman affected by cervical cancer, one less Gardasil.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Then I went home and started looking up all of the inserts, the warning labels that are wrapped around all the childhood vaccines and most of them say it right there in serious adverse events. Guillain Barre syndrome, that's paralysis or transverse myelitis paralysis. And I realized polio vaccine is a success. We didn't eradicate paralytic diseases with the vaccine program. The vaccine works. We're causing paralytic diseases with our vaccine program.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

Are all vaccine trials placebo controlled?

[Del Bigtree]

No. Nor should they be.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Dr. Paul OffIt's one of the big proponents of vaccinations, probably because he's made a vaccine and made a killing off of it. The rotavirus vaccines on the childhood schedule.

[Steve Bannon]

It doesn't matter whether I financially have benefited or not.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

He likes to go around and say, well, we can't always do placebo trials, especially if there's already a vaccine that covers that disease. So he'll use an example like Prevnar 13. Prevnar 13 in its safety trial was tested against Prevnar 7, the earlier version of the vaccine. And he'll say, you cannot test Prevnar 13 against a saline placebo because it'd be unethical. You'd be denying children access to a vaccine that is already on the market and that's not fair to them. But what he leaves out is that Prevnar7 was never tested against a saline placebo. So we don't know if it's safe. So we're testing one product we don't know the safety profile on with another product we don't know the safety profile on. And this is how the entire vaccine schedule works. I like to call this the whiskey study. Let me explain. Let's say there's a group of people that are complaining that whiskey is making people drunk and they're crashing their cars and people are getting killed. Now, in order to test does whiskey cause car accidents? You would set up a double blind placebo trial. One group, the test group would get the 10 shots of whiskey. The other group, the placebo group, would get 10 shots of water. And then we'd have them both drive on a driving course and see who has more accidents. It's obvious, but in this case, the whiskey company is the one doing the study. And what they say is, oh, we're gonna do a placebo based trial and. But our placebo based trial is not going to be water. It'll be vodka, another product already on the market. And so 10 people get the whiskey shots and 10 people get the vodka shots, and they had them all drive. And guess what? They had just as many car accidents. Therefore, whiskey does not cause car accidents because it didn't cause any more than the vodka did. And so to take this all the way to the end of Dr. Paul Offit's point, if vodka had ever been tested against 10 shots of water and there was no car accidents in the vodka group, then it would make sense to test the whiskey against the vodka. But we all know that study was never done. Just like no vaccine placebo study was ever done.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

Publishing something like that, I might as well retire. I'd be finished.

[Del Bigtree]

I mean, I'm just curious.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

What in.

[Del Bigtree]

This data makes you think it will be as catastrophic to your career as you think?

[Epidemiologist/Statistician]

The vaccinated subjects were over four times more likely to have an asthma diagnosis.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

They found a almost six times risk for autoimmune disease, five and a half times risk for neurodevelopmental disorders, 2.92 times the amount of motor disabilities, 4.47 times the amount of speech disorders in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated, three times the rate of developmental delay, six times more acute and chronic ear infections.

[Epidemiologist/Statistician]

Interestingly, there were several health conditions where they couldn't even do this analysis because there were none in the unvaccinated group.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

For example, there were 262 children who had ADHD in the vaccinated group. Amongst the unvaccinated group there were zero cases of adhd, zero brain dysfunction, zero diabetes, zero behavioral problems, zero learning disabilities, zero intellectual disabilities, zero tics and zero other psychological disabilities in the unvaccinated.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm going to read the conclusion here. Despite this and in contrast to our expectations, we found that exposure to vaccination was independently associated with an overall 2.5 fold increase in the likelihood of developing a chronic health condition when compared to children unexposed to vaccination.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

What does this graph mean?

[Del Bigtree]

Explain that to me.

[Epidemiologist/Statistician]

They did something called time to event analysis. At 10 years, the likelihood of being free from a chronic illness was only 43% in the vaccinated group versus 83% in the unvaccinated group. It's a big difference.

[Del Bigtree]

Which is exactly what I've been stating. I've been saying 54% of of America's children have a chronic illness coming.

[Epidemiologist/Statistician]

It's right there.

[Del Bigtree]

That's basically what that's showing.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

I can tell you that these data are consistent with my greatest concerns regarding the childhood vaccination schedule. That despite the good intentions of the field of vaccinology that is backfiring on us.

[Del Bigtree]

Let me put it this way. I put my whole career on the.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Line because I saw an issue that.

[Del Bigtree]

Is affecting the children, America and the world. We have a serious growing problem of.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Autoimmune disease, chronic illness.

[Del Bigtree]

I am not saying that vaccines are the only cause, but I am saying this program needs some serious work. We had much better health when we were getting 10, 20 vaccines at 54 shots with 72 doses. It is clear we are not making our children healthier.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

They're going the Wrong direction.

[Del Bigtree]

We have some serious issues.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

I actually agree with that. Is there a different way we could be doing right?

[Del Bigtree]

But how do we get there? If I can't get this study out, then what hope is there for every.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

Kid in the future?

[Del Bigtree]

I can't do for them.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

It takes you the right thing to do. I don't want to say it's not.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

The right thing to do.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

It's the right thing to do, but I just don't want to. And I don't want to say I have enough problems, but I've got enough things like that that I'm already healing, but I don't want another one.

[Del Bigtree]

Hold on, hold on. I just want to say this. This is the Galileo moment. I believe this changes more lives than anything there is. If we can fix this vaccine program, it doesn't just change millions of children's lives here in America, changes worldwide. You'll be the father of the change in the system. That's historic.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

We have an ability, ability to do.

[Del Bigtree]

Something that no one ever dreamed is possible.

[Narrator/Interviewer]

If it's not you, then who?

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

For some reason, they always hammering, it always comes towards me. No, I can't handle it. I. I really can't.

[Del Bigtree]

I'm.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

I'm not a good person. I can't handle it.

[Del Bigtree]

I. I'm not a good person, but.

[Dr. Marcus Zervos]

I'm just not going to move. I'm not gonna do it because I've got got other stuff to worry about.

[Epidemiologist/Statistician]

Yeah, I mean, obviously, like really emotional.

[Dr. Paul Thomas]

It's very important. The study sees the light of day in the scientific literature and for the advancement of science. We must have balance. There are always pros and cons to everything. And when we have a deep seated religious bias in favor of vaccines, we've lost balance. And when we lose balance, the entire scientific enterprise goes off track. And when that happens, large populations are harmed.

[Del Bigtree]

Kill America's voice family.

[Steve Bannon]

Are you on Getter yet?

[Del Bigtree]

No. What are you waiting for? It's free, it's uncensored, and it's where all the biggest voices in conservative media are speaking out.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Del Bigtree]

That's right. You can follow all of your favorites.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Del Bigtree]

Okay.

[Steve Bannon]

Welcome back. Wow, adele. I've known O' Keefe for 20 years. I was with Andrew as his partner when O' Keefe did the first Acorn. Those guys have a whole team that have been doing this for 20 years. I take it this is not. Not your line of country. How did you conceive doing this? How did you practice? Because it's flawless and it's dramatic. And I got to tell people it is so hard to do these kind of investigations. That's why you have either 60 Minutes or Keefe. But these people are specialists. They do it all the time. How in the hell did you think of it and how in the hell did you execute on it?

[Del Bigtree]

Well, I'll tell you what, it wasn't that. I mean, I could have used. I probably could have used a class with James o', Keefe, because what you don't see is one of the cameras I'm wearing shoots the couple next to us at the table perfectly. It's like my dinner with Andre. It's the best footage we had of the wrong table. So. So we were stuck with, you know, the recording of the phone in my pocket. My. I had my assistant with me. He was wearing a camera, thank God. He got his hand in the wine glasses and servos enough that you can see it's there. So it was not immaculate. It's the only time I've done it. But, you know, it's because of guys like James o' Keefe that I, you know, that that was even in my mindset that the brave work that he does, and it's scary, it's weird, you know, it's hard to act natural when you know that's going on. You're worried, is it all the technical gonna work out? But I'm just really. I just thanks to God for the inspiration and for enough rolling cameras that actually got the shots. We needed to be able to tell this very, very important story.

[Steve Bannon]

Dell, tell me what it was like personally in that dramatic moment where you actually heard Zervos kind of give up the game, right? What was going through, given you've dedicated your life to this, you've been forced out of the really, the. The money making side of television to really lead a crusade. What was it like internally when you realize, oh, my God, I've got it?

[Del Bigtree]

Well, I did think, oh, my God, I've got it. You're also, though, trying, and you're asking yourself, did I get it? Did I really get it? Did I get what I think I just got? Because you're just trying to have a natural conversation and hoping all the cameras work. And my biggest question was, man, I hope these damn cameras are working. I hope we got what this guy just said, because it's so important. And so it isn't until we got back, you know, your days later. It's taking hours and days to load all of these footages, you know, coming in and to finally sit down and go through it and say, and that was the moment where we said, all right, we've got it, but now what do we do with it? What the study's not out there. What are we going to be talking about? How do we make this into a story? And the truth was, is we were dead in the water until Senator Johnson decided to publish the study on the Senate website. And suddenly, this tree we had planted, the seed that we planted years ago, you know, you look up and go, oh, my God, we've got something very special here. So this is literally like a great wine. It's years in the making. It's a dream that has finally come to fruition and come true. And all the people that helped make it happen, all the people that worked on this documentary, everyone that helped get me that recording equipment and tried to teach me to use it, it took all of it working. And then it's sad. I mean, in the movie, I think you feel it. You can feel just how, you know, I mean, the guy says, as he says in the footage, I'm not a good person. I mean, just to come to that place in himself. And, you know, maybe it's because he got beat up so much, you know, before he got beat up on the Flint, Michigan, water thing, he got beat up on the hydroxychloroquine study, which was very important. And I guess he's just broken. He's got nothing left. But as, you know, somebody weigh in on the film, you're talking about our children. How can you not stand up and do what's right? So it's an amazing character study. It was very depressing to sit in the face of it because, you know, in all honesty, I believe Dr. Zervos is a good man. I think he's doing what so many of us do, Steve. We look the other way. And I say this at my talks, you know, when we really want to scream and yell about the Dr. Zervos. How many of us knew the truth about the COVID vaccine, but didn't really, at the Thanksgiving table, bring it up and talk to our loved ones? We just looked the other way because we didn't want conflict. How often do we see our country going down the tubes that you've been just. I mean, you're all alone. Why is there only one Steve Bannon? Why is there only a couple of Del Big Trees and James o'? Keefe? We should all be standing for this country right now. But we turn the other way, we wait for somebody else to do it. We think, well, I'm not, you know, this isn't my axe to grind. This isn't my hill to die on. And so then we all die. And that's what you see in this movie. People will judge Dr. Marcus Zervos, but I would like to say what Jesus said, you know, let he was who is without sin, cast the first stone. We have all looked the other ways and shirked our duties at one point or another when it was demanded upon us to be brave. To walk away from that job was going to force vaccinate our kids to walk away from that state that was going to make us vaccinate our kids. So many people say to me, I had to do it. My kid couldn't go to school. What are you talking about? There's not a 20 foot wall around California. There's not a 50 foot wall around New York. You do what's right, you walk away from your job, you find a career somewhere else. These are the children of our future and a future we are really so close to destroying for them. All right, let me bring it down. Obviously I get so passionate about this, Steve, but I know all the judgments against Dr. Marcus Zervos and they're well founded. It's hard to watch it, but we all do it. We all deny Jesus at some point in our lives. We all deny the truth. We all deny our Constitution and our First Amendment Amendment rights. We let them mask us, we let them lock us in our houses. We let them shut down our churches. And we didn't go out and have a no King's March when that happens. Why.

[Steve Bannon]

When he says I'm not a good man. You see that the specter over this film Dell is Big Pharma. And the money from Big Pharma, they are crushing good men. Service is a great scientist, right? And he sits there himself, torn. He's the tragic figure of this, that I am not a good man. You see how the system has broken a great scientist and the specter of this is Big Pharma. I want to know because here's the thing. I got my. The reason I want to do this with you today. My phone blew up when we just had you on for that little piece. The other day. So this film. And then over the weekend, so many of the Warren posse that watched it were so moved by it. Walk us through the rollout because we want to make sure that we can help you guys as much as possible. This is the most important show shot at big pharma. I think we're going to take. Because you understand the corruption of the system and you understand how it breaks good people. So how's it going to be rolled out? Where do people go? How can we be supportive?

[Del Bigtree]

Sir, it's out right now. This is, you know, you imagine back. People will say to me, you know, well, we're. We're being. You know, the algorithms are against us and they are. There's no social media that's helping get this film out for us the way it would have back when social media first started. But you can still take this video. You can text it to your friends. You just go to an inconveniencestudy.com. you can just send them the link to an inconveniencetudy.com. you can download the film embedded, you can Dropbox it to anyone you want anywhere in the world. It's free. We want you to give this to everybody. The same people have fought to bring back the religious exemption Mississippi that donated to us to make that happen have funded to make this happen. The same people that are helping us fund the lawsuit in West Virginia so that you have the right to body, autonomy and sovereignty. The same people that help us win the Pfizer data, the Moderna data, the V safe data for the Informed Consent Action Network, my nonprofit and that fund our weekly Talk show, the HighWire.com. it's funded. It's now for you to hand to the world and everyone you know. And Steve, you're absolutely right. We. We don't get a second shot at this. We don't. I guarantee you every major institution never did this study because this is what they were afraid of. So you think now they're going to rush out and do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study after they watch what's happening with Henry Ford Health? No way. That is why we've got to take this opportunity. This is an ICBM missile laying in the middle of the field. We've got to pick it up. We've got to point it at the weakness in this group globalist system that is trying to rob us of our future. And we've got to fire. We've got to be strong. And. And these are those tools. They don't come very Often, but when they do, you know, Steve, we don't have a network. We don't have an NBC. We don't have abc. We don't have the television. What we have is the people, you right there. That share Steve's show. Please share this with everyone. You know, it's already been seen by tens of millions of people. I want billions of people to see this. We should be standing up, not just as a nation, but around the world. Enough is enough. We will not have you culling our herd with these products. We will not have you destroying the brains of our innocent children. We were born in the image and likeness of God. We were not born in disease. We should not be getting a hepatitis B vaccine, a sexually transmitted disease on the first day of our life. This. You know, Steve, what I've been when I travel with this film right now, this is not science. This is not even a religion. This is a sick, twisted cult that has been as implausible as it is, has never done the proper science, has run on assumptions and is now destroying our kids. 54% of them are sick.

[Steve Bannon]

We got.

[Del Bigtree]

We got.

[Steve Bannon]

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