WarRoom Battleground EP 880: The WarRoom’s Weekly Round-Up Of Scandals In The Catholic Church With Ben Harnwell And The Team

Summary

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War Room Battleground EP 880: Weekly Round-Up of Scandals in the Catholic Church

Host: Chris Jackson, with Steve Bannon, Frank Walker, Liz, Jenny Holland
Aired: October 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features the WarRoom team’s recurring deep dive into scandals and ideological confrontations impacting the Catholic Church, with a particular focus on Peru’s explosive clerical scandals, the direction of the Vatican under Pope Leo XIV, controversies over inter-religious dialogue and "paganism" within the Church, the Vatican's alliance with progressive and globalist causes, and a special segment on the rise and (potential) fall of transgender ideology among youth. The tone is combative and satirical, often blending outrage, dark humor, and cultural critique.

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Table of Contents

1. Opening: Crisis of Western Christendom
2. Peruvian Bishop Scandal: Sex, Power, and Corruption
3. Vatican “Peace Pageant”: Paganism Accusations
4. Vatican and Globalist Agendas: Climate, Migration, and Bill Gates
5. Transgender Ideology and Youth: Massacre Plots, Violence, and Shifting Trends
6. Glimmer of Hope: Decline in Trans Identification
7. Tradition and the Vatican: Power, Politics, and the Latin Mass
8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
9. Guest Attributions and Substack Plugs

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Opening: Crisis of Western Christendom

[00:03–01:31]
Steve Bannon opens with his signature “primal scream” against a “dying regime,” urging the audience to “pray for our enemies.” The show quickly pivots to a heated clip highlighting anti-Christian rhetoric from an unidentified caller, used to underscore what the team sees as the existential threat facing Western Christian identity in an increasingly multicultural Europe.

Key Points

• Frame of “them” (globalist/media/clerical elite) vs “us” (Christian/MAGA populists)
• Lament over the loss of Christian heritage and threats, especially from Islamic immigration.

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Peruvian Bishop Scandal: Sex, Power, and Corruption

[01:31–15:35] Panel: Chris Jackson, Frank Walker, Jenny Holland

Headline: Bishop with 17 Mistresses, Financial Schemes, Tabloid Chaos

• Frank Walker recounts the saga of Bishop Kees B. Lopez, a Peruvian bishop accused of having 17 lovers (“A couple of them are nuns. One is a lawyer. Only half are named because the rest are underage” [06:45]).
• Scandal started after Lopez sent a romantic text to the wrong person, which unraveled his web of affairs and financial improprieties.
• Tabloid coverage included salacious details—“They found…a condom on the bed…I'm the cook, not the cleaning lady. I shouldn't have to clean up this.” ([07:51])
• Bishop also ran a fried chicken restaurant, humorously named “Legs in the Air Chicken,” funded/staffed with church resources ([13:11+]) while allegedly embezzling both church and UN funds.

Panelist Satire:

• “If you want to live like this, you need enough money for a real cleaning lady.” (Frank Walker, [08:06])
• “The main problem… he tried to use his cook as a cleaning lady!”
• Connection drawn to wider pattern of hypocrisy (“they lord it over the Catholic faithful”—Chris Jackson [05:08])

Contextualization:

• Reference to historical papal scandals, but with the inversion that “these bishops live out their corrupt faith, rather than merely violating their vows privately” (Frank Walker [05:39])
• Link to conservative political battles, i.e., bishops' advocacy for progressive causes while engaging in personal immorality.

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Vatican “Peace Pageant”: Paganism Accusations

[17:33–23:01] Panel: Liz, Chris Jackson

Headline: Festival for Interreligious Dialogue Becomes Cultural Flashpoint

• Liz reports on Pope Leo XIV’s “Walking Together in Hope” celebration to mark the 60th anniversary of Vatican II’s “Nostra Aetate.”
• Event featured “pagan dancers,” “occult imagery,” and “a woman with the evil eye…outside the Vatican and under Constantine’s arch” ([17:55]).
• Criticism centers on symbolism: “This is the church 60 years after Nostra Aetate... and this is interreligious dialogue at its worst.”
• Liz sharply frames the event as “Pachamama on steroids” ([23:01]), denouncing it as “laying groundwork for a new world religion where all differences are ignored... ignoring the butchering of Christians in Nigeria... suppression of religion in China… we’re in la la land at this point.”

Quotes:

• “This new religion is a religion of all we need is love and why can’t we all get along? ... John Lennon, Michael Jackson would be proud.” (Liz, [21:24])
• Children sang “We Are the World” in closing (“the premier Hollywood pedophile”)—used as a symbol of betrayal ([21:55])

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Vatican and Globalist Agendas: Climate, Migration, and Bill Gates

[23:01–26:53] Panel: Liz, Chris Jackson

Headline: Vatican “Behind the Ball” on Climate, Migration, and Transgender Issues

• Vatican is “embracing transgenderism, radical migration, [and] last week we saw Pope Leo bless the block of ice, symbolizing the warming of the world because of overpopulation” ([24:18]).
• Raises how Bill Gates is pivoting away from climate ideology (“Gates is reading the tea leaves... climate change is at the bottom of every poll, people are not concerned about it.” Liz, [25:50]).
• High skepticism towards both Vatican alignment and Bill Gates' motives.

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Transgender Ideology and Youth: Massacre Plots, Violence, and Shifting Trends

[31:26–42:09] Panel: Jenny Holland, Chris Jackson, Liz, Frank Walker

Headline: Indiana School Shooting Plot and the “Trans Shooter” Phenomenon

• Jenny Holland discusses the case of Trinity Shockley, a young biological woman identifying as male, who planned a school shooting in Indiana, “stopped in time via a tip line set up after Sandy Hook” ([32:00]).
• Raises issue of “new trend” in mass shootings: now involving females identifying as males, possibly on testosterone—linked to increased aggression ([33:10]).
  • Jenny recalls stories from CA women’s prisons about violent behavior in “trans men” on testosterone—“She ripped the door off her cell...something out of a Marvel movie.” ([34:01])
• Panel links rise of violence to hormone therapies, psychotropic drugs, and social media influence.
• Discussion of societal scapegoating: “If there was that relationship between conversion therapy and violence, Christians would be getting arrested” ([36:30]).

Framing: Spiritual and Cultural War

• Panelists consistently frame the trans issue as not just psychological or sociological, but “demonic” (Liz, [40:30]; Frank, [41:18]).
  • “It’s absolutely demonic what they’re doing to our children.” (Liz, [41:15])
  • Frank: “I think you see the demonic coming out in the testosterone, in the psychotropic drugs... more susceptibility to demonic spiritual guidance.” ([41:18])

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Glimmer of Hope: Decline in Trans Identification

[44:55–48:18] Panel: Jenny Holland

Headline: New Study Shows Decline in Trans Identification Among Generation Z

• Dr. Eric Kaufman’s research: pronounced drop in Gen Z trans identification, from nearly 7% (2023) to under 4% (2025). ([44:55])
• This decline appears “cohort-led”—young people increasingly reject trans identity, likely as the costs and realities become clear.
• Jenny credits both left- and right-wing “grassroots efforts”—from “Moms for Liberty” (US) to UK “turfs” and online creators (e.g., “Libs of TikTok”) working to expose medicalized gender ideology ([47:02]).
• Suggests hope that “four years from now, people are going to be entering adulthood with fewer trans identifying hang ups.”

Corrections & Colorful Commentary:

• High point of trans identification “was 2023, not the 2010s… Joe Biden had a Fourth of July party where a trans influencer flashed his silicon boobs on the White House lawn. That was the high point and the low point of the trans movement.” (Jenny, [48:44])

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Tradition and the Vatican: Power, Politics, and the Latin Mass

[49:12–51:23] Panel: Chris Jackson

Headline: Conservative Traditionalists “Let Back In”—But At What Cost?

• Recap of recent pilgrimage and Latin Mass at St. Peter’s, celebrated by Cardinal Burke.
• Chris Jackson suggests the new pope (“Leo”) is intentionally neutralizing conservative critics by allowing traditionalist rituals (“Rome is worth a mass”), reducing their appetite for open confrontation.
  • “You’re going to see a lot of neutered, castrated conservative voices… because they don’t want to threaten the fact that we’ve been let in.” ([49:52])
• Concludes that lay activists (and shows like War Room) now bear the burden for defending tradition.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Frank Walker ([08:29]): “If you want to live like this, you need enough money for a real cleaning lady. That’s the problem with them.”
• Liz ([21:52]): “John Lennon, Michael Jackson would be very proud. This new religion is a religion of all we need is love and why can’t we all get along?”
• Chris Jackson ([36:30]): “If we had kids coming out of gender conversion therapy with this propensity to violence, Christians would be getting arrested.”
• Liz ([41:15]): “It’s absolutely demonic what they’re doing to our children.”
• Jenny Holland ([48:44]): “2023 was the high point... July Fourth, a trans influencer flashed his silicon boobs on the White House lawn. That was the high point and the low point of the trans movement.”
• Chris Jackson ([51:05]): “Rome is worth a Mass. So that will fall on the laity... the War Room team.”

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Guest Attributions and Substack Plugs

[51:23–51:41]

• Jenny Holland: jennyeholland.substack.com
• Liz/Elizabeth: YourChildren.com & @Elizabethyour on social media
• Frank Walker: Canon212.com & @canon212 on Twitter

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For Listeners Who Haven't Tuned In:

This episode is tailored for a traditionalist Catholic/conservative audience. It blends sensational scandal coverage with sharp satirical commentary on the Church hierarchy, globalist ideology, and the moral/cultural threats facing the West. If you want unapologetic polemics, dark comedy, and insider gossip on church politics, this is essential listening.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Frank Walker]

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[Chris Jackson]

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[Frank Walker]

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[Unidentified Caller or Guest]

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[Chris Jackson]

Good evening, Harwell, here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. I thought we'd open with that clip there, this glorious clip of intercultural harmony. That's what's going on in Great Britain today. And if we don't win the fight to defend Christendom, the Christian nature of the west, that lady there is surely going to be correct. That's the motivating force. That's why we come out here every Wednesday evening to, to talk about the. What's new in the Christian sphere, in the Catholic sphere. Frank Walker. Last week we started off the show talking about Peru. We're going to go back to Peru. I think we're spending more time in Peru than Paddington Bear. Peru, by the way, has some great degenerate stories coming out of it. But the importance here geographically is that out of this microcosm of the Catholic Church emerged the man who is acclaimed by some, perhaps widely acclaimed, but not by everyone as being the Pope. Pope Leo Frank. This is an astonishing story and I thought I'd seen it all. I thought I'd seen it all last week when you were telling us how this bishop, basically it's German born bishop, just announced as you do. I mean he, he, he'd asked for the dispensation to retire, but he announced Fait accompli, as he did that, that he had got married or to be canonically correct, he had attempted marriage because he's, he's unable, as a bishop, is unable to get married. And I thought, well, okay, that's going to be the last time we're going to be in Peru on the war Room for some time because we're not gonna get another story that's going to beat that so soon. How wrong I was. Because another Peruvian bishop has come out with, has been accused of, of having a number of secret lovers. Tell us the, the, the, the, the, the sheer horror of this story. Because the point is, folks, these people, these, these people who are claimed as being bishops of the Catholic Church, they lord it over the Catholic faithful, especially on matters, on political matters. They assume the moral authority to take away from our right as laity to decide our own political points of view on the prudential matters they claim with the status of bishops, the authority to impose all sorts of never seen before novelties on the faithful. And yet behind closed doors, these people are living lives that. I don't know. They're shameful and disgraceful. They'd be shamed. Frank Walker. The lives that these people are living would be shameful and disgraceful if they were simply, if they were only layered. If they were, if they, if these things were committed by the laity. Right, that's what I want to say. The way these people live would be shameful and unchristian if all they were, were simple laity. But no, they claim to be shepherds and they claim the authority over us to destroy the Catholic faith, impose novelties and turn us all into pro invasion, pro climate fanaticism. Communists. Tell us what is going on in Peru today. Frank Walker.

[Frank Walker]

The way that they live, it reflects their faith. That's those, this is who they really are. You know, back, they talk about back in the, in the 1500s, how depraved the popes, the way they lived, they had children and everything, but those, those men upheld the faith. The way they lived was different. The way these people live actually represents their faith. This is Bishop Kees B. Lopez and way up near the border of Bolivia, near the Andes Mountains in Peru. And he's been, you know, his, the story's been bubbling out for about a year or so, but he's, he's hit the international press because they say he has 17 female lovers. A couple of them are nuns.

[Chris Jackson]

Stop, Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Steve would say, don't bury the lead. Run that Figure by me again, how many simultaneously, Right. Simultaneously at the. At. At the same time. 17. 17. And as you. And. And you're. And you're saying that some of these are actually nuns, right? Amongst us.

[Frank Walker]

Some of them are nuns. One is a lawyer. Only about half of them are named because they say the other ones are underage, so they can't be named. What happened was his. He texted an amorous text accidentally to his cleaning lady. And then that started all sorts of. Of anger that happened. And at the same time, the. He. His. The nun. One of his nun. The nun lovers, she texted some of this information to one of his lawyer lovers, a lawyer woman. And became a battle. It turned into a fight that almost turned into blows. You know, an argument. And these things together hit the Vatican because the cleaning lady informed the church and then the church opened an investigation, which is, I think, kind of unusual. Anyway, they actually pretended to open an investigation. And at the same time, it hit like the tabloids. And the tabloids had a picture of his room. And the, you know, the room, they. They played this romantic music. They had pictures of him making a kissy face. They showed cigarette butts and Casalero did diablo liquor with all the music. And they found. Had pictures of a condom on the bed. And that's what the cleaning lady was complaining about. She said, I'm the cook, not the cleaning lady. I shouldn't have to clean up this. You can imagine the. I think that's the main problem that this guy has. If he wants to live like this. You have to have the money for a real cleaning lady that knows that she's a cleaning lady and not to report all these things to the press and not use your cook. That's the problem with them. I think you have money problems because he was always looking for more money. I just. I just don't think this guy is that unusual. I actually think he's pretty. I mean, he's just not doing it right.

[Chris Jackson]

Yeah, but of course, he of course, has many problems. One mistress is expensive. 17 of them. I remember. I remember Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Right? You remember them? The nun in the Chance, the Canterbury Tales who has the medallion with which has a amor vincit omnia. Love conquers all. A nun, by the way, even in Chaucer's time. I mean, he was mocking her because of her. Lacks her lax morality. I. I think her spiritual children are very much alive and well in Peru right now. But tell me something. You say that he sent this amorous text to open brackets Frank Walker. Open brackets. There's a bishop of the Catholic Church right now, right, Cardinal? Right. If I'm not mistaken, who sent an amorous text by mistake? Or was it he? No, he put it out on. He put it out on Twitter. The 99. I remember his name. I won't name him. Oh, well done, Frank.

[Frank Walker]

Okay, well, yes, there is, there is on this. It's been a while ago since he was.

[Chris Jackson]

Stick the knife in. It was indeed Cardinal Tobin, and we. We never heard any more about that particular story. So tell me precisely. He sent an amorous text here, intended for. For one of his mistresses, one of the. The 17.

[Frank Walker]

One of.

[Chris Jackson]

One of the harem. And instead of sending it to the mistress, he sent it to the cleaning lady instead. Tell me the name.

[Frank Walker]

Right.

[Chris Jackson]

What was the right h. How do you keep 17 different mistresses on the go all at the same time? What kind of relationship did they have with one another? Were they accepting of this, the. These. These relationships and the rivalries?

[Frank Walker]

Well, you know, I don't know how that works. I don't know if anybody knows. I know that in harems, if you have a harem, there's probably all kinds of problems like this. You have to have some sort of power. You have to have a lot. I think you have to have a lot of money and power and control. And they said in the, in the, in the. You know, this is all connected to a lot of other bad press in Peru. This lady, Paola Ugarts, is inserted herself here. She. She was. She's in that sodalitium. Big story about this group in Peru that has, that they connect to conservatives. And every time there's some bad Leo press about these kinds of things about, About Leo handling these. Always bring up about Leo handling these kind of charges against pedophiles and things in Peru, they always bring up this sodalitum and this sodalitum story. And she brought it up here, linking this story to the Sadalatum. But you know, the, The, The.

[Chris Jackson]

The.

[Frank Walker]

The cleaning lady, there's a little piece of translate thing that I wanted to read to you here. She said the bishop's partners are Yessica, Rauz and Noni, who sleeps there. The girl is from here in Puno, and the soprano is Edith, the mother. Sandra was his partner. And the other girls are minors who cannot be named. He's the son of a single mother and he takes advantage of women. I just, I just wanted to get that line out there that's sort of from a translated line. This shows you the Incredible complicated life that he lives. And then another amazing thing is this story. Is this the pedigree of this guy. This guy was a seminary professor at a pontifical college in Lima. I mean, he went to the Gregorian, which is notorious. I mean, he was. He was top educated. If he were in Rome, I don't think he would have these kinds of troubles. I think he was in a rural area and a place where the tabloids cared. But, you know, if he was, if he was, I think he could fit in just fine. It also shows you another thing is why ordination of women seems to be stalling all the time. Even it's this far along in Leah's church. Because you imagine what. Imagine what it would be like because.

[Chris Jackson]

Because they're all. They're all engaged. They're all engaged in other activities. Clearly. Clearly that's the. They're too busy. They're too busy to contemplate a priestly vocation or at least in the diocese of Julie, according to.

[Frank Walker]

Excuse me.

[Chris Jackson]

Go ahead, Frank.

[Frank Walker]

He had a lot of money. Money problems. You know, like he had a chicken restaurant that he was running and called Legs in the Air Chicken. He tried to steal.

[Chris Jackson]

Chairs from the.

[Frank Walker]

Church, put in his chicken restaurant.

[Chris Jackson]

I've got to hear that. What was that place? What's that place called? I'm sorry, what was that place? What was that place called?

[Frank Walker]

Legs in the Air Chicken.

[Jenny Holland]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Jackson]

You know, you know what?

[Jenny Holland]

Somebody should write this.

[Chris Jackson]

If you couldn't, you couldn't make this up. If Prevost wants, you know, if Presence gets bored of his. Of his current restaurant in that he's running at Castel Gandolfo that's being run by. By two guys, I think one guy in a. In a civil partnership, if he gets bored with him also change the menu. He can calling this guy from Legs in the Air Chicken or whatever it's called, starting you open up a franchise.

[Frank Walker]

Yeah, I think there's a lot. There's a lot of opportunities for business in the church.

[Chris Jackson]

According to some sources on this story, Frank, the. When I, I, as I, as you were talking, I tried to do a bit of research on this one. Apparently the 17 weren't aware of the other's existence. They each thought that they were the only one. What kind of diary planning? I mean, I can't even plan. What kind of diary planning does that take?

[Frank Walker]

Yeah, obviously he needed more help than he had. He really didn't have the resources for all this. I think he tried to embezzle UN funds from the indigenous and they were going to lynch him. He, he had, he had embezzled from his own church funds. He tried to get them to give him a couple of projects for churches. He tried to order the local community. This was paid by government funds to let him manage the, the rebuilding of certain churches so he could grift off of that. He just was, you know, he just was in the wrong place. I think. He just didn't have all of the cash he needed. Way up there in the Andes mountains with Yessica and Roiz and Nuni and soprano Edith and everybody.

[Chris Jackson]

Poor guy, Poor guy. We should be praying. And his. And his heroic sacrifice. Tell me once, once again, once again before we move on, what was that name? The name of that restaurant that he was running there in Peru? His, His Excellency Kitchen. What was it called?

[Frank Walker]

No, no, it was Legs in the Air Chicken. And he had to borrow chairs from the church to put in there. That's how much popular Legs in the Air Chicken was. He had really nice. I thought he had fancy glasses. He was a, he was a well dressed guy.

[Chris Jackson]

From what I could.

[Jenny Holland]

Surprise pictures, not surprised at all.

[Chris Jackson]

This. This guy will be known personally. Known personally to. They will be friends because they were. They will have spent years together as brother bishops. This guy will be known personally to then Cardinal Prevost, the present Pope Leo. Let's see what action Pope Leo wants to take on this story. I'll be, I'll be keeping my cynical bdis focused on this. Thanks very much, Frank. Standby. Liz, we're coming to you next. But first before we do that, when inflation jumps, when you hear the national Debt is over $37 trillion, do you ever think maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold where there's a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability or just for sensible diversification. Birchgold Group believes every American should own physical gold. Birchgold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into. Into an IRA in gold. Birch Gold is the only precious metals company we at the War Room Trust, as do tens of thousands of their customers. So make right now your first time to buy gold. Text Bannon B A N O N to 989-898. Again, that's Bannon to 989898. Liz, there was a couple of things taking place important for trudge. We'll come on to that later on in the show. Towards the end of the show I have something to say about that myself. But one of the things that's taken place over recent Days is Leo the 14th peace pageant. And if you thought the blessing of the block of ice was bad, tell me about the, the pagan dances and occult imagery that was the heart of this festival.

[Liz]

Yes, I mean, first of all, I think we should X ray this segment, this whole show for War Room after what. And I don't think I can top Frank, but Pope Leo presided over a Walking Together in Hope celebration of the 60 year celebration, celebration of the Second Vatican Council's declaration on Internet inter religious dialogue. It was called Nostra Atate. This is of course the brainchild frankly of what Ted McCarrick had worked for for decades is to promote inter religious dialogue. But this particular peace pageant brought pagan dancers outside under, under Constantine's bridge. It had occult imagery such as a woman with the evil eye. This was in the heart of the Vatican and at Constantine's arch. Leo was there with dozens and dozens of leaders of every possible creed and talk in this woman with the evil eye and the sun dancers from down in Colombia. And it is, this is now the church that is 60 years old after the publication of Nostra Aetate. And this is inter religious dialogue at its worst. And what, what. And I think this is fascinating what Leo is now talking about because what he is saying is this is a continuation of the Abrahamic declaration by Pope Francis which is all religions are willed by God. And Pope Leo really sounded in my mind like John Lennon, give peace a chance. I mean it was. He said today your presence bears witness that this seed has grown into a mighty tree, its branches reaching far and wide. The, the seed of interreligious dialogue that is bringing fruits of understanding, friendship, cooperation and peace. Well, frankly, that's utter nonsense. We have never seen more violence against Christians in the world than we do now. And of course, just because the Vatican is remaining quiet about this and not protesting the murder of, you know, 300 million Christians around the world, their persecution, especially in Nigeria where we have seen unbelievable murder and persecution at the hands of wink wink, the Muslims. And but this, you know, I want people to listen to what Lee, how Leo talks and what he's saying. This is the journey that invites us to continue to walk together in hope and love. I mean, he's sounding like hope and change Obama. And you know, this is, you know, we're going to keep hope alive. It's utter nonsense. And this is indifferentism. It is the Obama, let's just have hope and change and everything will work out fine. And the celebration, let's be frank, it was a pagan procession down the aisle with dance dancers and music. And at the end this is, I mean this captures it all. At the end they bring out children singing what song but Michael Jackson's We Are the World, the premier Hollywood pedophile. So you know, John Lennon, Michael Jackson would be very proud. This new religion is a religion of all we need is love and why can't we all get along? And to me this is plain and simple laying the groundwork for the new world religion where all differences are ignored. They're swept under the rug in the name of love and ignoring the butchering of Christians in Nigeria, the suppression of religion in China and we're in la la land at this point. That's, it's just utter nonsense.

[Chris Jackson]

The, the, the irony in terms of the dates because I think the 28th of October was, is the anniversary of the, the Battle of Pond, the Milvio Bridge when Constantine won. How funny. And of course they're both sons of Obama and Leo are both sons of Illinois. Right, okay, so, so that's, so there's so any, any hope that the, that the paganism brought heralded in with the Pachamama idolatry that might change under a new, a new Pope, that that hope can be confronted now as being misplaced.

[Liz]

It's Pachamama on steroids.

[Chris Jackson]

Tell me, because tell me in terms of the, the alien currents that have invaded. The alien ideological currents have invaded the Vatican over recent decades. And we saw by the way, this, we don't have time to do this right, but we saw in the beginning the clip of what is actually going on in the UK right now, that that is how people coming in to live in the the UK from the Islamic sphere treat Christians there. They could, they call, they call native born legacy Britain's dirty Christians. And there's very, you know, so you have one type of dialogue for the cameras, the Vatican and a very different reality go bubbling on and underground. We've got like two and a half minutes left. Liz, on the theme of these foreign ideologies that have invaded the Vatican, just say something if you wouldn't mind. I know you've been following this about Bill Gates and his apparent pivot away from the, the climate fanaticism at the very moment that the Vatican is embracing it with both hands.

[Liz]

Well, yeah, and as we know, the Vatican is not only embracing transgenderism. Pope Leo is pushing the American bishops to embrace radical, radical unstructured migration into the United States, illegal immigration. And of course last week we saw Pope Leo bless the block of ice, symbolizing the warming of the world because of overpopulation. But interestingly, I mean, it just seems like the Vatican is behind really the movements that are happening. Bill Gates, of all people, who has pushed climate change, who has funded to the mil, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars, now has come to the understanding that this has. Climate is super important, he said, but it has to be considered in terms of overall human welfare. I didn't pick this position because everybody agrees with it. I think it's actually the right answer. And he is pushing back from his doomsday view, the doomsday view of, by the way, Jeff Sachs, the doomsday view of the tipping point Pope Leo talks about and to make a, what he's calling a strategic pivot to focus on issues that have the greatest impact on human welfare. Well, I'm very wary of this. This is either either in response to Donald Trump, who has exposed the climate change hoax, as you call it, and spoke out very vociferously at the UN about it. And it may be that Gates is just giving these talking points in response to this, or it may be that Gates is reading the tea leaves and realizing that climate change is at the bottom of every pole. People are not concerned about it. There is a great understanding that this is nothing but a global elite hoax to force tyranny on the world. So it's interesting. I hope he closes up his wallet as a result of that. I'm totally distrusted of anything that Bill Gates says. But in my mind, again, it's the Vatican is behind the ball. The Vatican isn't even onto this. They keep on pushing this climate change agenda when you know, the great Bill Gates is deciding. I think we better tone down the language.

[Chris Jackson]

Liz, thanks very much. We'll come back to this in just two short minutes.

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Welcome back. Well, let's. Because we don't have very much time in this block and there's a lot to get there. Let's go straight to Jenny Holland, our resident expert in all things trans and the abuse of the trans ideology, especially on the minds of the youth. What's this story that has emerged in Indiana about this abortive. Because I think it was stopped in time. This, this school massacre that was planned for St. Valentine, St. Valentine's Day of all days. Tell us about this. A shocking story.

[Jenny Holland]

Yeah. So it's being reported that a young woman, I believe by the name of Trinity J. Shockley, 18 years old, has pled guilty to planning a school shooting at an Indiana high school on Valentine's Day. She's being held in a place called Martinsville, Indiana, and will plead guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit murder. She was reported via a tip line that was set up in honor of the Sandy Hook shooting and she the. And so the attack was prevented. She identifies as a man and goes by the name Jamie or Dex, according to this Newsmax article. Now, this is just the latest. Obviously this story has somewhat of a happy ending slightly in that the shooting did not occur. Obviously, it's not a happy ending for this woman's family and wider community who will now have to face down the reality that they had a person who wanted to kill them all in their midst. One of the very strange trends and new things that are coming up with these recent spate of trans mass shooters is that they are actually girls. Back in the old days, the trans, the. Sorry, the school shooters, and the mass shooters were almost universally mentioned. One of the very understudied and very, very dark aspects of transgender treatment, I put that in air quotes for children and young people, is how these synthetic cross X hormones actually affect them. And I'm talking in particular in this case about testosterone. Obviously, this young woman, or it's very likely I should say that this young woman was on testosterone, which is obviously well known as being a hormone that kind of creates strength and aggression in men. Now, this is something I've heard mentioned by other people as well. In 2023, I interviewed an inmate at the California Women's Prison who was living with not just transgender men, that is, women who identified as men, but men who identified as women. And obviously, this is a very distressing reality for this woman who was serving a life sentence and was stuck there without any hope of getting out. And one of the things she said about the woman who was on testosterone in an effort to transition to being a man, was that she was so angry and so violent that she ripped the door off her own cell, which sounds like something out of a Marvel movie, not like something a woman, an average woman, would be able to do. So, yeah, I mean, this is just yet another example of the war on children and young people that has been perpetuated through the Internet and social media, but also largely through porn. And I'm speaking generally, I'm not speaking to this case in Indiana, but, you know, nowhere really is safe from this menace, the psychological war, as we saw in Utah, a red state with the murder of Charlie Kirk by an alleged transgender individual, as we saw in the Catholic school in Minnesota, which obviously Minnesota is very lefty. But, you know, the attack on the Catholic school, the attack in Tennessee on a Christian school in Tennessee, and now this in Indiana. These are red states. These are mostly red states. So children aren't safe anywhere, even in Christian communities, even in, you know, conservative communities. And that's because they're getting almost like a demon spirit is coming down the wires and coming in through the wi fi. And, you know, you can take that metaphorically or you can take it literally. It's up to yourself. But this is, you know, and we are. And I want to talk as well about this report that's indicating and provides very good evidence that we might be on the wane in this truly horrifying development in childhood. But it's really, really still a war for children.

[Chris Jackson]

Before you move on, to the, the glimmers of hope that might be coming out on, on this next development on the trans front. And I'll hand over to Frank and Liz as well if they have anything to add or insights from what you've just said. But the thought that strikes me is that, you know, you have these gender conversion therapies that are being banned right across the west where people will go and say that they basically want to be reinforced in their gender identity, their biological gender identity, and they're all being banned because they're all being told by the authorities, no, no, you've got to embrace if, if you have some doubts, you have to embrace your, your gender identity which needs to come out. You, you can't suppress it. The thought that strikes me that is, if we, if we had kids coming out of the gender conversion therapy with the, this propensity to violence and, and school massacres, Christians would be getting arrested. I mean, they're getting arrested anyway. Right, but they'd be, we'd say we'd have the FBI on us, but you know, Christians have the FBI sort of tracking down as well. But you get the point. I'm trying to say if there, if there was that relationship between this, the attempts to reinforce people in their biological gender identity and their propensity. I don't say the propensity to violence because obviously not all trans. Of violence, but there's, there's a link here between, between the, the trans ideology and the anger and resentment that, that creates in the people that bursts out in these uncontrollable ways. But it's happening, however. It's, it's happening over to the, to these patients, victims we can call them that. And there's no word about whether really the approach on the authorities is totally different from what it would be if it were the other way around, other way round.

[Jenny Holland]

Right, yeah, yeah. And I'm glad you call them victims, actually, because I mean, I strongly believe that they are even the ones who might maybe, you know, in their early 20s up to a certain point, I think, and certainly under 18, they have absolutely been victimized by an entire industry. And, and you're right, you're right. I think this is, this is the worst of all of the bad manifestations and of all of the rotten fruit that secular liberalism has produced, this is definitely the one, number one, worst one. And what has happened was the, the liberal thinking him or herself moral and morally superior and science, and science might, scientifically minded, has 100% across the board fallen for this horror ideology and that means that when normal people who still have common sense and understand the basics of human behavior in the human experience said, no, wait, you can't change sex if you're a child, then we were punished, you know, and that includes all of the Catholics. If liberal had society, if liberal society had been able to prevent this from happening, it would have. And I agree with you 100%. The church has been demonized by not just, you know, social media, but also by the Democratic Party. And this just shows how wrong they were on every level. I mean, they were absolutely wrong. Every trans skeptic has been proved 100% correct.

[Chris Jackson]

Do you just. Because we've got like 90 seconds before we go to. Before I don't address. And then Jenny's got the other development to talk to, talk to us about immediately after. Do either of you two. Liz, Frank, have. Have a quick response to what Jenny was saying? Perhaps on the, on the point that she just, she suggested about the potential here for demonic infiltration?

[Liz]

Well, you know, they're seeing trans antifa. There's, you know, trans antifa. The violence there. And, and what is so tragic is that states like Minnesota, which bar conversion therapy, there is no ability for these kids to have any hope out of this. Those who have decided, I don't like what these drugs do, I'm not in the wrong body. They are absolutely trapped by the Tim Waltzes in Minnesota who push this stuff and then take away any ability to get help. It's absolutely demonic what they're doing to our children.

[Chris Jackson]

It is demonic, Frank.

[Frank Walker]

Also there's the role, I think, of the psychotropic drugs continues to be a problem. I think that, that looked like it was a problem in the Minnesota Catholic School. And also there's a social media aspect. The man that killed Charlie Kirke, he seemed to have sort of a network. There's. There's a network of this kind of thing going on in this trans community. And I think that's one of the reasons why you see more women, because they're reading all about it. This is where their community is, is where their friends are. And, you know, they're following that. So, yeah, I think you see the demonic, like, the demonic coming out in the, like you said, in the testosterone and in the, the psychotropic drugs that draws actual more susceptibility to demonic spiritual guidance. And then there's a whole, there's a whole enormous social element that's nobody really knows about, but that's working in, in these, these poor victims.

[Chris Jackson]

Like you say, look, I, I'LL say this right that I spent a number of years working both in the British Parliament, the House of Commons and also the European Parliament, especially working on the, the pro life pro family legislation. And I tell you I have never felt in my life the, the, the, the, the, the, the spiritual nature of this battle than when I was involved firsthand on that. I'm absolutely convinced that the realm of the demonic is involved in the pro abortion legislation a thousand percent. This was before really the trans agenda was a legislative thing. I'm talking about 15 years ago. I stopped doing that now. But the pro trans that, the pro abortion agenda, the destruction of traditional marriage, I've never been more conscious of being involved in that spiritual battle. So I absolutely though I have, though I can't speak to the trans thing, I can absolutely believe that that is part of the, of the same thing. Folks, that's all we've got time for on this point. We're going to come back to Jenny in just a quick moment with the A glimmer of hope. But first, if you are a homeowner, you need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever. And your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county and boom. Your home title has been transferred out of your name. Then they take out loans using your equity or even sell the property outright. You won't even know it's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you checked your home title? If like me, the answer is never. And that's exactly what scammers are counting on. That's why we at the War Room trust home title lock. Use promo code steveometitlelock.com to make sure your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 247 monitoring of your title. Urgent alert to any changes and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it. Go now to hometitlelock.com use promo code promo code Steve that's hometitlelock.com all one word promo code Steve. Jenny, we, we, we only have a few short minutes left at the end of this year. But just tell us the glimmer of hope here. What is, what is going on in Generation Z on the trans front.

[Jenny Holland]

So this month we saw a report by Dr. Eric Kaufman, who is a social scientist working out of the center for Heterodox Social Science at the University of Buckingham in England. And he finds quite convincingly that trans identification is in decline among young Americans. The study looks at five different data sets covering thousands and thousands of young people. And the bullet points are that trans identifying young people has gone down from a peak of nearly 7% in 2023 to under 4% this year. Now, the trans ideology, or the trans manifest was manifesting itself at really building up steam in the 2010s and then peaking in the 2020s. And the study doesn't give strong prescriptions as to why this is. The study does say that in, in the author's opinion, it is not down to a shift. Right word or a shift towards religion or traditional religion or God, and perhaps it is instead better mental health. But I have interesting thoughts. I have some thoughts on this. It's very, very interesting to me that this is happening because first of all, it is a cohort led decline. So it's, it is the young people themselves who are kind of moving away from this identity. I think this is a couple, due to a couple of reasons. First and foremost, the cold light of day. You know, all of these kids are waking up to the cold light of day, as are their parents, and seeing what they, what they have done to themselves and what their parents have allowed to be done to their children. And it just simply does not pass the test. And you know, now that we're seeing what transgender ideology really does to the human body and to the children, the psyche of children, it's simply, it's simply telling on itself. The young people, I think, are also benefiting from. Because the report did say that seniors in college are more likely to be trans identified than freshmen. Fantastic news. This means that in four years time, people are going to be entering into adulthood with fewer trans identifying hang ups. But I think the young people have been, have benefited greatly from the grassroots efforts both in the United Kingdom and in the US to expose trans ideology and its impact on children and how it actually has gone out of its way to groom children and to access children through schools and NGOs and hugely funded efforts to really, really creepily get into the minds of children and convince them that they were born in the wrong body. So we have things like Moms for Liberty, we have things against Libs for TikTok or Libs of TikTok and all of these. And the turfs of the United Kingdom, a politically diverse group of people, including gays and lesbians, including lefties, including very conservative people that exposed transgenderism for the evil, grotesque abomination that it is. So I think this is very positive. I also think with a lot of older, older young people. So people in their 20s, they are aging themselves out because they are maturing and they're realizing that this was a terrible mistake.

[Chris Jackson]

Thanks, Jenny. Thanks. I want to pick up the statistics speak for themselves. You talk about the 2010s being the high point at 7%. We had 12 years of Biden and Obama and the tide is being turned back now. But I would suggest by Maga and by Donald Trump if you. That is, that is the salvation of your children in school. Look, we have two minutes. Really quick.

[Jenny Holland]

One thing really quick. The high point was 2023. Not in the 2010s. It started in the 2010s, but 2023 was the high point. And what happened in 2023? Joe Biden had a Fourth of July party that a trans influencer, a man with silicon boobs, came on and flashed his silicon boobs on Instagram from the White House lawn. And that was, that was the high point and the low point of the trans movement, in my opinion.

[Chris Jackson]

Yeah, the high point politically, the low point morally. Look, we've got one and a half minutes left. I want to say something about Denver. Would you kindly put the article up for me here on Cardinal Zupi and Burke Embrace during Vespers for Latin Mass pilgrimages. Considering that this show covers. Thanks very much. Considering that this show covers quite strongly, developments in the trad sphere, we have to quickly mention the fact that this weekend there was this pilgrimage in Rome at the Vatican of the, the Summerum Pontifical, which is the, the gathering of, of all the traditionalists in Rome. And Cardinal Burke celebrated mass at St. Peter's anything. You are seeing what we predicted on this show when Prevost was elected. I think we're seeing the fulfillment of this. Now. This is the power of Tradinc. You're going to see a lot of neutered, castrated conservative voices now because they can say, okay, so we don't want to threaten the fact that we've been let back into the Vatican to have this Mass and all the issues that are so important to us that we would look to our bishops and our cardinals to defend us and speak up as they were doing to some extent under, under Bergoglio. I think that's, that's going to disappear that. And I was thinking 1593, Henry of Navarre, right Protestant pretender to the, to the French throne. Paris didn't want him. So he said, look, I want to be king Pope. Paris didn't want him because he was a huge, you know, he was a Protestant. And so he said, I'll convert to Catholicism. And his famous expression was Paris is worth amass. And I think that's very much Leo's approach to neutering and castrating his opposition. Rome is worth a mass. So that will fall on the laity, will fall on Frank Walker. It will fall on Chris Jackson, will fall on the war room, will fall on, on the team here. Very, very quickly, guys, Jenny Holland, where do people go on substack to keep up with you? 10 seconds.

[Jenny Holland]

Jennyeholland.substack.com Liz, your where do people go?

[Liz]

I'm in substack as well. Your Children YourChildren.com is my website and everywhere on social media under Elizabeth your Frank Walker.

[Frank Walker]

Canon212.com Type it into the address bar. And on Twitter, canon212 all spelled out at Gloria TV Guys, thank you.

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Thank you so much. Thanks to Will it Real America's Voice. Steve will be back at 10am tomorrow.

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