Well, you remember when the mainstream media con told us that Pope Francis was a conservative, remember, that was the initial shot from the media. So. But of course we know he was a radical. Look, Paul Coakley comes from one of the most conservative states in the Union, Oklahoma. And Oklahoma has been very anti abortion. They have been very pro life. So he, I think, frankly, is hiding behind Oklahoma City in Oklahoma as the stronghold of conservative Catholics. And when, you know, the Guardian and others say they elected a conservative president of the usccb, you know, my concern is, first of all, compared to the rest of them, I guess he's more conservative leaning. However, he was president of the Catholic Relief Services, which was one of the largest beneficiary of US Aid. And he is, in fact quite, you know, I frankly don't think Francis would have allowed him to have been appointed if he was not going to commit to a full frontal assault on Donald Trump's second term as president. Battling the Trump administration on immigration, the number two vice president was Bishop Daniel Flores of Brownsville, who has been doing nothing but promoting the immigration agenda. So, you know, I'm, you know, it's wait and see. I cannot believe, you know, we know that Prevost Pope Leo has been very vocal. He was caught on a hot mic telling the US Bishops in the Vatican that he wanted a louder US CCB against migration. Look, this is just infuriating to Catholics. First of all, they use the argument that ICE is coming into the masses. That's not true. Secondly, they refuse to recognize that 80% of Americans support mass deportation. Thirdly, the Vatican has a 39 foot cement wall surrounding it to protect it way back when from Mohammedans invading and has the strictest immigration laws in all of Europe. And so for them to lecture us is just insulting. And Coakley has shown some signs. You express concern about gender dysphoria and the promotion of gender ideology. He's also, but he's also been, you know, front and center criticizing mass deportations. And he said, look, these deportations are, quote, creating fear and even distress for our immigrant, migrant and refugee neighbors who have arrived in search of the same dreams that awaited many of our ancestors at a different moment in time. Look, this is, this is the talking points that the USCCB is doing. And frankly, as we have talked about in this program, they have a severe conflict of interest. They have lost, as a result of the Trump administration, billions of dollars to facilitate the illegal welcoming of migrants in the United States. They have been responsible for placing hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minor children in UNVETTED homes. And so we're going to continue to see this push. It's going to come from the bishop's conference. I think that's clearly the message from Rome and from the Vatican. And I think we have to be very clear as Catholics that this is an issue that is one that we are in direct opposition to the bishops and they're going to continue to push this. We need to push back. And Coakley, whether he's, quote, unquote, a conservative, or whether he's hiding behind the skirt of Oklahoma City, which is a conservative city and Oklahoma state, we'll see. But he's already written to the pope. And the bishops themselves sent a letter to the boat this week from their meeting saying that they will continue to stand with migrants and defend everyone's right to worship, free from intimidation. Lest we forget, none of us were free to worship because the bishops shut down the masses, shut down the churches during COVID shut down the sacraments to the elderly and the dying because of the dictates from the Vatican and the usacb. So none of us should be, you know, pulled into the, you know, left wing of the Catholic church thinking, oh, we're just defending the rights to worship. ICE isn't going into churches. And I don't hear one word from these bishops about the hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of Americans that have been hurt, killed, injured because of illegal immigrants, many of whom 70% of the ones that have been arrested already, have a long line of criminal warrants or convictions. And so the bishops have been absolutely silent about what we see, even though the media has been trying to cover up for all of these murders and rapes and, in fact, decapitations by illegal aliens. This is why Americans want our, our streets restored to safety, our homes, our society. And they are foursquare behind Donald Trump, despite what the bishops say from their meeting in Baltimore and from their mansions in, in. In their. In their mansions and their rectories in their diocese.
B (9:54)
Okay, Liz, you're so much to break down on that. Thank you for that analysis. I'm going to keep all the points that you, that you mentioned up here and try and quickly respond to them. Firstly, on the issue that this is all about the grift, the bishop's policy, policy positions, all about the institutional grift at U. S. Taxpayers expense. You're going to break that down in the second half of the show because that's really very important to, to keep on track of that. That's the first thing. The second thing, you mentioned that in the elections, they came to a final runoff. And you mentioned Bishop Flores of, of Tech Brownsville in Texas. I think that came down to a three round vote in the end before Bishop Croakley. Coakley eventually pipped ahead. And I agree with everything you're saying and absolutely us Catholics should not slip back into a position of complacency with regards to their bishops on political policy positions, the prudential matters, and just blindly accept what they're told. That is absolutely the case. There is, however, one thing I just want to pick up about this guy, which I think is a slight anomaly from what, from what one might expect. The first thing, as you were saying, Liz, so that the cat. The conference could have easily have gone for someone far worse. Right. Without saying that this is a good guy or a guy to be trusted, they could have gone for someone. I think broadly, some. I don't particularly find Bishop Robert Baron to be conservative on any stretch, though he does cultivate that veneer. I would probably suggest that the conference went probably for the most conservative. It's all relative. Right. Of the, of the 10 or so candidates. And I want to ask you what you make of that. And also the anomaly I was mentioning was back in 2018, he was publicly supporting Archbishop Vigano, who is held in very high regard here by the war room posse, very high regard for his heroic leadership against Pope Francis in the last pontificate. He went so hard against Francis, against Bergoglio, he was actually excommunicated. Vigana Archbishop Vo. Excommunicated and still is, well excommunicated to this day. So what do you make, Liz, about the fact that back in 2013, when there's the whole. You had the, the dossier and the Cardinal McCarrick, very, very back in the days, very, very important guy in the Catholic Church. And our guy here, Coakley, spoke out in favor of Archbishop Vigano and his dossier. Is that something that the war in posse should just bear in the back of their minds?
D (13:11)
No. I mean, that's fine. You know, look, this is my concern. But Ben, if he won the vast majority of the quote unquote conservative bishops, if the vast majority or slight majority of the USCCB is conservative leaning, so that Coakley won. Coakley, who has, you know, made statements about Vigano, where have they been? Where have these silent shepherds, compliant sheep, Ben, you know, if they, you know, if they are going to elect Coakley, open up your mouth and fight for restoring Christianity into America to lead, lead the Church, not shutting down the Latin Mass, not Closing churches left and right, as we've seen this fall. It's, you know, so, I mean, okay, they, they elected a bureaucrat. Look, the usccb, which was originally founded by none other than Joe Bern, is a bureaucracy. What we need are strong shepherds who battle as cultural warriors. And, you know, I'm not impressed that they will cast a vote for Coakley, who at one point supported Vigano. What, what I am demanding from our shepherds is that they promote the faith, help, you know, bring the sacraments to restore the Catholic Church, the great Catholic Church to America, and to be brave and bold leaders. So, you know, okay, this is a bureaucracy. You know, it's an appointment. But mark my word, they're going to be battling, this bureaucracy is going to be battling Donald Trump for the next three years on immigration. And we as Catholics, laity have to stand up and start speaking out and hold these guys accountable. They do not belong in this realm. They belong in the salvation of souls. They have a severe conflict of interest. The grift is been exposed. It's going to continue to be exposed. And what role they had in bringing in 450,000 unaccompanied minor children, dumping them with unvetted some pedophiles, some predators, we will find out and we should demand it. So it's just, you know, we have to speak clearly and not, you know, have, you know, our eyes glaze over because, you know, the guardian says he's a conservative. My opinion.
B (15:57)
A thousand percent, I think my money is, is that this choice will enable the, the, the US Catholic bishops to pursue a line of performative conservatism because they, they need the donors, then they need the collection plate money because the Catholic parishioners are overwhelmingly more conservative, more traditionalists as well than their bishops, than they're hiring shepherds. So to keep the performance going on that they've got someone who will fit that perfectly. But on the fundamental issue of, of the day, which is the invasion, these people are going to be stabbing you faithful Catholics in the back for, from, from this day forth. Liz, stay with us. Stay with us. We're going to come with you and come back to you later on in the show to dig a little deeper now on just how flagrant the Catholic bishops desire and thirst for taxpayer largess is, and it is without any shame whatsoever. So when inflation jumps, when you hear that the national Debt is over $38 trillion presently, $38.3 trillion. Do you ever think maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold where there's a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability or just for sensible diversification. Birch Gold Group believes every American should own physical gold. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. Birch Gold is the only precious metals company we at the War Room Trust, as do tens of thousands of their customers. So make right now your first time to buy gold. Text Bannon. That's B A N O N to 989-898. Again, that's Bannon to 989898. Okay, so to give an indication of just how the Catholic Church, the so called Catholic Church was constantly in search here on the woman for anything catholic about the institutional Catholic Church in the United States, see the decline is Frank Walker. You have this quite surprising story of a return to the church. But then all is not as it seems. What I suggest Denver is while Frank is talking, perhaps we could have the some of the the video footage just playing on in the background of this joyous occasion. And Frank will give us the lowdown. So basically this Geo Benitez, who's an openly gay ABC News weekend anchor was received it back into the Catholic Church with his husband under the watchful approving gaze of Father, Father James. What was this? Get. What's the guy, what's the guy's, what's the guy's name? Tell us the lowdown.
C (19:14)
The very famous Father James Martin who never goes away was there and he tweet. Father Martin tweeted out a picture of this event alongside a this weekend, last weekend, a baby that was just baptized around the same time giving the impression that this baby belonged to this gay couple. But he was just taunting everybody. But because this confirmation happened separately. But this Giovanitez, I mean this is taking it I think to a new level because he is a well known ABC correspondent. He's a host of many different shows. He's on Good Morning America, he's just on regular ABC News. He hosted this some reality show. What would you do? He's been around quite a while. He got gay married in Miami. I think he's a Cuban from Miami. So he has a Catholic background I expect. But in this event, this is St. Paul the Apostle Church in New York City. It's really just like a sort of a staged reality TV type thing. These kinds of gay parishes in big cities have been going on for I don't know, 10, 20 years now. And they've always been an abomination but they're going to a new level now they're turning into propaganda sites. So this man tweeted out this, you know, music from his. From his confirmation event, which is very unusual event. I mean, there wasn't. Usually there's a bishop at a confirmation and, and, but right here there was just the, There was four priests, like all the priests associated with this gay parish. And, you know, they, they, they don't. They. They have the chrism that they would put on your forehead, but they invented this thing with each priest went around and put their hand on his head. But when you listen to the music, and it was sung by some famous actress, I think, from Law and Order, perhaps she's saying it, but it sounded unfortunately like most Catholic masses that you will hear. The gay music is common in all Catholic masses. Anyway, this event is. Is filled with him speaking about how he came back to the church because of Pope Francis and now because of Leo and because of Father Martin. And he thanks all four priests. And it's true. Francis had an advocacy for, for gay people coming in and making a big stunt out of it. And he even had tranny prostitutes from Rome would come and have Mass with the Vatican with him every couple of weeks. He had outreach to their community. And Leo has, Has echoed the same kind of thing. And so he's saying, he taught me welcoming. He taught me that I have a tabernacle. I have a tabernacle of God in my heart. It's sad when you hear it, because the tabernacle of God is Our lady and it's also the law. And neither of those things, Jesus, who would be it was our. Our Lady's son or Our lady or God's law, I'll belong in this man's heart at all. He doesn't believe these things. And he says, I saw all my relatives from the past, my uncles, my grandparents, all there with me, even though there wasn't anybody there really. But he's saying that the past, the theology is gone. This is all part of my ceremony.
B (22:25)
He's. He said, you're quite right. He said he saw all his relatives sitting in the empty pews, all of his past, all of his deceased relatives. He said, in amongst the empty pews. Now, you're quite right. He did absolutely attribute his conversion, or technically a reversion, he was baptized as a kid, I think, as Catholic, to Pope Francis's legacy of inclusivity. Here's my question for you, Frank Walker. You have an astute observer of these things. I don't want to doubt his specific conversion reversion back to the Catholic faith. But there is something more going on here. And watching those images as you were talking, I think it's quite clear do I think this is a theatrical, a theatrical production manipulated by Father Martin himself because he knows the power of these images and he knows the effect that it's going to have of effectively seeing the Catholic Church spiritually prostrating herself before the, the secular values of this world. So whilst I have not, you know, I don't know this guy and I wouldn't want to say whether the, whether the conversion is real or not. That said, if he's not going to bring his life in conformity to the Catholic Church, there are, you know, one can have a suspicion as to the genuineness. But then of course, Frank Walker, it's quite possible if he's been shepherd, shepherded into the church by James Martin, he quite possibly has no idea what the Catholic Church actually teaches because all he's been presented with is a misrepresentation, a duplicitous misrepresentation. But do you think that, that, do you think that James Martin was here, that it's an orchestration and the start of the Leonine pontificate, the. To say this is where the Catholic Church is now and if you don't support this, how can you be, you can hear the words, can't you? How can you Pharisees be against someone returning to Holy Mother Church?
D (32:56)
Yes, he's the head of the USCCB Migration Committee and he is encouraging all the US Bishops to participate in a new national initiative to support and accompany immigrants who are affected by the Trump administration's policy of mass destruction. And typical, and we've seen this from the Vatican. They're starting to use, you know, the Disney effect, using high priced, highly, highly produced videos to present their in these videos, this latest one is you are not alone. You can see the, you know, emotion that is packed behind this. And Pope Leo actually saw this video that was largely produced by Bishop Mark Seitz of El Paso, Texas. And this initiative is inspired by existing efforts around the country and is adaptable to different dioceses. And this is where they're going to bring in mass migration ideology initiatives into our local parishes. And it focuses on local efforts for emergency and family support, accompaniment and pastoral care, communications and solidarity through prayer and public witness. My cynical sense is that they are using this you are not alone program to whip up the immigration activists. We've seen this already at the detention centers where there's marches going to the detention centers demanding that the priests, bishops give the Eucharist to the detainees. This is a full Throated effort to really force a confrontation with the Trump administration. And you know, I think again, as I said earlier, this is about the money. And they have, they have. Interestingly, you know, Coakley is on the board of directors of the Napa Institute, which is the NGO nonprofit of the wealthiest Catholics in America. Many have thought and argued that the Napa Institute had a hand in choosing Leo. With promises that the money that has now been tied up and wallets have been closed will open up if Leo is elected Pope. So be it. Leo was elected pope. Coakley, who is very close to the Napa Institute, as we saw, chosen to promote the new initiative of the immigration agenda. So look, this is using Hollywood as Frank was talking about. So well, the image is the message. This is being used to pull the heartstrings of Americans. This is being used to really take on a political battle with the Trump administration and continue to force confrontations not only on the street, but at detention centers. And you know what? I would really encourage people just do a Google search on the Americans in the last two, three years that have been killed by illegal immigrants. You have heard not one word from Bishop Seitz on this. And I mean, these stories are horrendous. I mean, we know about the financial taxpayer burden, the housing burden, the school and health care burden, but our streets are no longer safe. And this just, and this doesn't bother Bishop Seitz. He's going to roll out a fancy produced, highly expensive, I'm sure produced video to pull at our heartstrings. And I promise you it will be shown at masses during the homily.
B (37:32)
You're quite right that it doesn't bother Bishop's sight. He closes his remarks by saying that the God given dignity of every person from the moment of conception to every stage of death, international natural death obviously is there present in the migrants. Do you know the one category of people that isn't referred to as having the God given dignity and that's American taxpayers. They are totally extraneous to every argument that Bishop cites and his fellow American hiring shepherds to their thinking. You guys, you who work two jobs, three jobs to make it to the end of the month and still can't arrive to the end of the month. You're over taxed. Your, Your, your salaries are being bid down by the constant influx of cheap labor into the United States. Your God given dignity doesn't commit into consideration. There's a couple of minutes, if you wouldn't mind. Oh, by the way, as Frank Walker said last week, these people that are coming out now, the Hiling shepherds who are saying, you know, it's terrible what ICE is doing. We need to get in there to give people the sacraments. It's absolutely essential, you know, you know, it's against the, the first Amendment, second Amendment, you know, that they can't, people can't practice religion. You know, Frank Walker said last week, where were these people during the pandemic? Right. Where was the Catholic Church when you were all locked up under home arrest for a year? Liz, just on this theme, because I think they're related. Can you just give me two minutes, please? On the, the outgoing bishop of the, the outgoing president of the bishops conference, Timothy Broglio. Broglio, I don't know how he pronounces it, Bolio in Italian. He's now threatening to take the Trump administration to court. Right. Because of cuts to the contracts on military chaplains. But the key thing here is what is it all about? And this is the theme that links everything that. Liz, your has been explaining that it's about the funding they want. The Catholic bishops want continued access to US Taxpayers cash. It's not about, you know, if they. Liz, I'll let you speak. But, but, but my, my synthesis of what you're going to say. I'll say it now, before you spoke it. If the, if these hiring shepherds were actually interested in premis by pastoral oversight of Catholic soldiers in the army or in the Navy or what have you, these chaplains would be there for free, looking after them, giving them pastoral oversight for free. But it's all about the money and they're not even hiding it. Tell us just in one and a half minutes what this, what's going on here.
D (40:33)
You know, the Catholic Church under Brolio, who by the way was archbishop of military services. Had he been paying attention to what his job is, perhaps this wouldn't be a problem. However, the Catholic Church is exploring legal action against the army after the army abruptly canceled all chapel religious support contracts earlier this year. Operative word religious support contracts. A move that the faith leaders said crippled Catholic ministry and violated service members constitutional right to practice the faith. And it targets the Department of Army, which eliminated funding for pastoral life coordinators, religious education staff and chapel musicians. Look. And every parish in America has a pastoral life coordinator. All the religious education staff who are teaching children and adults are unpaid, are volunteers. Maybe the chapel musicians, based on the music that I've been hearing from churches should be cut. But this is, this is about again and again he repeats, it's canceling the Contracts, it's canceling the contracts. It's all about the money. They have become dependent on the federal government and no matter what constitutional argument they want to use, it just falls hollow to me. And in my mind it is really talking about how we need to refocus our attention on building the faith in the military. And you know, I remember those pictures. We have all seen the pictures of the pre Saint Mass of the back of a jeep in the middle of World War II saying mass in the, in a burnt out cathedral in Germany. You know, this is the fate, you know, there are no atheists and foxholes. Well, it takes, we need to have priests and in the military, all this other stuff is just irrelevant. We need to continue to build vocations. And the only way you're going to build vocations is if you look at where the vocations are growing in leaps and bounds and that is in the traditional Latin Mass and that's the very mass that all these bishops are closing left and right in America. This is where all these priests who, many of whom would love to be a military chaplains. So again, it's all about the money, sad to say. And we just as Catholics we have to discern what is really going on with these bishops. And it is, you know, this financial dependence on the church instead of leading as spiritual shepherds, okay, in, in poor times and in, in great times. But they, they haven't learned that the money is going to be shut off until they start stepping up and being true shepherds. And then the people will support them. The people in the pew will support that.
B (43:50)
Folks. Write that down, what Liz, yours said because this won't change until we the lady change it. Let me quickly do a couple of ad reads now and then we're going to come back to Frank Walker with what I think is the most astonishing development that I've heard all week. Protestant church in Germany has married four guys together. We'll just stand by, 60 seconds, we'll be on to that. Firstly, let me do home title lock. You know the deal folks. People out stealing properties left, right and center, stealing the title deeds to your home. What you need to do, get to hometitle lock.com use promo code Steve and you'll also get their free title history report plus the 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's home title lock dot com. Quick shout out to Jim Rickards that everyone knows as the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research. What you can do is get his free copy of money GPT by signing up for Strategic Intelligence, which is Jim's flagship financial newsletter. You go to ricards war room.com now to get that free book. That's Ricard's war room.com and home. Excuse me, I've just got my ad reads mixed up here. Tax Network USA call 1-800-958-1000, that's 1-800-958- 1000 or visit tnusa.com Bannon and there they'll give you, the folks there will give you and their team will give you advice. Having already cleared further people over over 1 billion in tax debt. That's@tnusa.com Bannon okay, Frank Walker, and this is the story that made my jaw hit the ground when I saw this Protestant church in Berlin. A Protestant pastor has married four men, four guys together. And she says, the pastor, she says that this is a marriage in the eyes of God. Frank Walker, when I was looking at this story, you know what, all of the arguments that this pastor, who I believe is acting in good faith, right. But all of the arguments that we heard in the beginning of the show as you were talking about Gio Benitez and his husband, and there he's being welcomed into the church. You know, who's, who's good, who's going to sit judgment on love. It's all about love. All of the arguments used in defense of that can be used in defense of this, this, this, this, this, this. I married. I can't force them. I can't. It's not a couple, is it? It's a married foursome. Tell us what has actually gone down in Berlin.
C (47:02)
This is getting ahead of the game really, because what we saw there was just a gay couple in New York, there, in, in, in Europe, in Germany, the, the gay marriage where they call gay blessings have really taken off. I mean, as soon as Leo showed up on the scene, they started doing them all over the place using capitulating off Cardinal Fernandez's gay blessings. They let everybody do this one here is, is a Lutheran church. It's Lutheran. A young woman lady minister. And it's a polycule wedding, I suppose that's how you pronounce it, where you can get free, free blessings for couples who wish to avoid lengthy formalities. You see, this is the way that they're going to do this with all the churches. We're going to do this with the Catholic Church. If you want to be simple about it, if you don't want to have to go through all of the things that you have to go through. You know, it's a lot of trouble to have to become married in the Catholic Church, even for the Novus, the new. The new churches that she married two Latvians, a Thai citizen, and a fourth man who she believed was Spanish. She doesn't even know anything about these guys. She just said they were all radiantly happy. I wonder. I wonder how lit they were. I mean, if they were drunk, I don't know what happened. You should see the picture in the article of this woman who's the, the. The. The minister. She's got pink hair. She's got these little tiny Nazi spectacles, and she's wearing a stole around here that is really just an alligator, like an alligator stuffed animal. I mean, she looks ridiculous. And she says that, I think they were married. You know, they were married. In my eyes, they were married. In God's eyes, I think they're all married. And why would God stop them from loving? Really? That's the message that you're talking about. That was at the Gio Benitez event, you know, so God's all for it now after this. Then the Bishop of Berlin, the Lutheran Bishop of Berlin, he said, well, that wasn't a wedding. You know, there's no reason to call that a wedding. There was no paperwork about that. It's not a wedding. Nevertheless, anybody who says, because a comment or say, well, this is like, this is building a bridge between Muslims who have harems sometimes, and maybe it's building a bridge between people who have sex with animals. What they left out is building a bridge with pedophiles. That's not in there. That part seems to be left out there. But it's just, you know, where are they heading with this anyway? The bishop said, anybody who says anything bad about her, I'm going to prosecute them. We'll prosecute them if they say something bad about this person, even though it wasn't really a wedding and he denied it. In Germany, you know, they have all sorts of laws. If you complain about this, you're going to get in trouble. If this is the way the press is in all the countries, imagine they're going to make it. Where are they heading with it? I think they're going to make regular heterosexual sex and marriage into something of a pariah, into what they used to. How they used to look at gay sex, and they don't anymore. I think maybe they're going that way with that, but I don't know. It seems like it.
