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WarRoom Battleground EP 898: Promises Made Promises Kept With Reducing Housing Cost; Free Tina Peters
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's not got a free shot on.
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All these networks lying about the people.
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The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing this. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go.
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To share the big lie?
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MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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It's Monday the 24th of November in the year of Laura 2025. Thank you for sticking around for the for the early evening hour of our late afternoon early evening edition. We have two very prominent lawyers. Peter Tickton is going to join us momentarily. He is the lead lawyer for Tina Peters. I get a complete update on Tina Peters situation. I want to go back to Gail Slater. Gail is the head of the antitrust division in the Justice Department and as such normally is considered one of the most feared lawyers by corporate America, the big tech oligarchs, Wall street, et cetera. Gail, just before I got a bunch of questions, I know the audience is very excited about you joining us and antitrust is a big deal here because people don't like these massive companies running the deal. Just your background with President Trump. You were in the first term with us. I think you were at the National Security Council. Can you just give us your background in the first Trump term?
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Yeah, actually it was National Economic Council. So I worked under Larry Kudlow and my portfolio there was tech and telecom, cyber, working with the National Security Council, folks, the true patriots in every White House. And yeah, I had a great honor to work there. And then my background in technology and in antitrust got me to where I am today.
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So talk to us about President Trump. And obviously this focuses on affordability and also making sure we have an economy that's growing, creating jobs, et cetera. Are you a stumbling block? Is the antitrust division a stumbling block for that or it can actually help increase productivity, competition, growth, jobs, wages, et cetera. Ma'.
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Am, 100%. 100%. And it's great to be able to talk to people with your knowledge and to the war room posse about this. So a lot of people think of us as regulators. We're not. We're law enforcers, we're the cop on the beat. And no one believes in capitalism and free market capitalism more than we do here at the division. We love it so much, we do it full time and we are the cops on the beat for the free enterprise system. Often we will see concentration across our economy and we would submit that's not free market competition. That needs more competition. That is what you would call Steve on your show, corporatism. It's growing capitalism. We want more competition. And that was I think, why the President picked me in his December announcement of my nomination last year, took a call to big tech and he tasked me with, with, you know, staying on top of big tech because he loves competition too. He's competitive guy by nature. And he did it as much and said what he said as much in support of the little tech companies to see them thrive to come under the heel of the big tech platforms.
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So you work with the fcc, you work with the ftc, you guys are bringing, you know, you're in court all the time. What is the overall just kind of philosophy? Because you've seen, I tell people the biggest difference I've seen between the first term and the second term in those four years, the concentration of corporate power was pretty, pretty overwhelming in the first term. But under Biden it just got so concentrated, whether it's big pharma, whether it's big tech, the corporatist, Wall street, et cetera. So given that you've got other allies and you've got the Alphabet agencies that are also kind of what we call neobrandiceans, you've got great work over the FCC at the ftc. How do you guys look at the world and how do you divide things up?
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Yeah, so well. So Mike, the priority number one I was tasked with by the President was big tech and we're doing the thing. We are, as you would say, Steve, we're keeping the main thing, the main thing. We have two big cases against Google and we closed out the last one on Friday and we're going to wait on a remedies decision from the judge down in Virginia, your beloved home state, that we should get that about January, February, we have a search case that's also before us and to the extent that, you know, I have time in the day after that, it's a big docket. But I really want to focus on affordability on the pocketbook issues and I promised that and committed that to the senators when I went before them for confirmation. So in addition to the RealPage case, which I just talked about before the break, you know, we have other things going on around affordability, the cost of living. How can we make the markets more competitive such that prices come down through these market forces and everybody gets more money back in their pocketbooks and can maybe even put it into a savings account. Wouldn't that be nice? And we have a lot of support to do that. Our friends at Rasmussen polling. So Mark Mitchell, good guy, he did some recent polling for us and Americans get what we're about and they want to see more competition. They want to see a breakaway from these consolidated markets. And it's not even close. It's across all demographics. It's very bipartisan, which is neat to see around this town. As when Mark sent me back the polling, he was, he was pretty amazed by some of the numbers. It's like as high as the 70s or the high 70s support levels for our work. And he said, you know, in his text back to me, this is a carte blanche if ever I saw one. So that's what we're, we're really focused on this week. In addition to the RealPage case, the rental market case, we've also to our criminal section, Omid, who's a friend of the shows too, we sentenced the very, very first time the division has taken a wage fixing case into our criminal section. And wage fixing is different from price fixing. Wage fixing is like fixing the salaries in this case Lopez salaries going to hard working nurses in Las Vegas. And the judge is sending Mr. Lopez to jail for 40 months for wage fixing those nurses salari at a time when they really needed that money. So that's another area of focus for us here at the division. And then recently and quite publicly, I know You've talked to Dr. Nabara about this. We were tasked at looking into the big four meat packers. Can't say too much about that investigation because we don't talk about our pending investigations. But you know, the big four, another consolidated industry, we have four competitors. They control about 85% of that market by market share and about 40% of that share is controlled by two Brazilian companies. So the president has tasked us with looking into that industry in particular. And we're also looking at other bits of like the food sector. We have an egg investigation that we're, we're that's open since the very start of the administration and egg prices have come down. So we like to think we've been a part of that.
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I just want to come back, make sure people understand this. The meat packers have consolidated down to four. And two of them are Brazilian companies, not even American companies, correct?
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Yeah, that's right. And Secretary Rollins has been really involved with us and working alongside us. We have a memorandum of understanding with the usda. She makes the valid point that, you know, this is not just an economic issue, this is also possibly a national security issue. You know, you're giving over your food supply chain to foreign owned companies and that can be a national security issue. That's something that obviously we learned during the pandemic with regards to the PPE and so on coming in from China. Our supply chains can be vulnerable when they're too much in the hands of foreign ownership.
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Omid worked in the interim from the first term to the second. Omid actually took a job as a prosecutor in D.C. to learn basically how you prosecute criminal cases. That helped him. As your deputy, do you anticipate you're going to be bringing more criminal charges either against wage fixers or price fixers going forward? Is Omid, particularly his years at prosecuting crimes in D.C. is that helping him be your deputy?
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He, he is, I mean, it's the real deal, a criminal prosecutor. He's shaking things up. I mean, just, just the simple fact, Steve, the, the wage fixing case that, that, that he brought to trial is the first time in the history of the division, the history of this division at the DOJ that we've won a wage fixing case. So that alone tells you that he's, he's working hard and he's, he's, he's a fierce prosecutor.
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That's amazing. This is why we need more, more media following what you guys are doing. Last question. I did a shift over from Eric Bolling today. You know, Eric was actually President Trump talked to him about being Commerce Secretary during the first term. And we were talking and Eric goes, hey, President Trump in the economic team does such a good job on, on full spectrum energy dominance and bringing commodity prices down that the input cost to the major companies now is, I'm not saying record lows, but it's dropped so much from the Biden term, yet the prices haven't come up. Now, President Trump is the capitalist capitalist, but as you know, he was a scrappy real estate developer in New York City and always taken on the big guys. Is there going to be any effort to say, hey, we've had you got these prices that are kind of here. And President Trump, through his policies and the execution of those policies by the Cabinet, has brought energy costs down dramatically. Kind of full speed spectrum energy dominance, plus the other commodity prices, input prices are input costs. Is at some point in time when we're going to start looking at what the, what these people are charging folks at retail, because we know the wholesale price, I think are coming down. Is justice going to look at that at all?
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Yeah, so we're, yeah, we're looking at a bunch of different prices in that regard. But you make a great point, which is like a lot of the macroeconomic policies are already working their way through the economy. So the, the energy shift in energy policy, deregulation, the tax cuts will kick in big time earlier next year. And so we're just a piece of that. But where we can be helpful is looking at these markets at the micro level and looking at individual companies, individual sectors of the economy and taking a deep dive into pricing at the, at the retail level, as you say.
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Gail, I'm gonna leave you with. You know, Larry Kudlow and I are both big believers in growth. We come at it in two different ways. More, we're more populous. Larry's a little more of a Wall street guy. But when you work for Larry at the nec, what was the best thing you liked about Larry Kudlow as your boss?
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He and I bonded over his conversion to Catholicism, and we would. We would talk about our shared Catholic faith. And he had the zeal of a convert. And I love that about Larry. He converted during his 12 step program. He talks very openly about being a reformed alcoholic. And his joke was, did you ever. Did you ever see such a thing as a Jew who went into a 12 step program and came out the other side of Catholic? So.
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Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. Gail, how do people track you in over at Main Justice? Social media. And the social media account for the department for the antitrust division.
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Yeah. So follow the work. I have a personal account, but please follow the work. It's way more important. So I'm at AAG Slater on X. There you go. Thanks so much. And my personal. Is Gail A. Slater. I can be a little spicy there, but the real. The real actions take taking place over at the work account. God bless Steve.
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Gail Slater, thank you so much. Great job on the renters. And we look forward to getting more information as you attack affordability from the Justice Department.
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Thank you, ma'. Am. And happy Thanksgiving to all the war room posse. Love you all.
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Thank you. All right, thank you, man. Love you, too. One of the real fighters, Gail Slater, tough as boot leather. Peter Tickton, Tina Peters. First up, can we get an update?
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Is she.
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Is she out of solitary confinement? Is she out of the shoe. Is she in good health? I mean, so many rumors fly around. The people in Colorado should be ashamed of themselves. Not just of what they're doing, but the lack of information. So first off, because I know you've got a big announcement to make that something you're working on here for Tina. Just can you get us a sit rep up to date on what's happening to her?
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Yes, she's out of solitary. What happened was there's this teacher that teaches the GED courses there in the prison who was not teaching reading, writing, arithmetic. He was teaching Tina Peters and he's a lefty. So, you know, it wasn't exactly complementary. So what, what he was doing is extremely dangerous because you start turning people against people in an, in a closed environment, you're going to see terrible things happening. So she went to him and asked him, please stop that. And he wouldn't stop. So then she filled out a grievance statement, which is something that jail provides. And, and then when she did make a grievance, the first reaction that they had was to basically take her and put her into solitary confinement. But it wasn't exactly the kind of solitary confinement that we've seen like with the J6ers and so on where they, they get out one hour a day and even then they're just in another cell that they can see a little sky maybe. No, hers was a, was, was. I mean, it was just cement. It was awful. But, but at the same time she was able to get out to make a phone call, at least call her lawyers, as she called me. But nevertheless, it was horrible. It was absolutely horrible for her. You know, she's a 70 year old lady. She's not used to being put into situations like this. I mean, this is, even after being in there for over a year, it's still a very difficult thing. I think what happened was, and they didn't communicate this to her, they didn't let her know how long she was going to be in there. So for all she knew, she was going to serve the next eight years in solitary. She had no idea. But I think what the prison was actually doing was making sure that she was safe, you know, once this came about. And then, then they allowed her today, or it could have been last night, to sign off that she didn't feel she was in danger. And then they released her and let her be in her cell again, where she really is not as in as much danger as she used to be. Because, you know, it just so happens that the People right around her understand her and accept her, but it.
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What do you mean?
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It's getting very dangerous.
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They forced her to sign. What? What did they force her to sign?
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Well, they didn't force her to sign. They got her to sign that she does not feel that she's in danger in any particular danger, or else, you know, she would have still been in solitary. So it's kind of funny. You got science. Yeah.
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Here's what I don't understand. When I was in federal prison, I also was in the Education Department teaching. You don't have the flexibility just to go after people. I mean, they give you a curriculum. Now, you can do variations on that. I did a lot of variations, but it was never to mention another inmate. I mean, how can you have a GED? And the ged, by the way? I had flexibility because I was teaching civics in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution. I had a lot of flexibility talking about the issues related to finance and debt and deficits that the students had never heard of before and wanted to learn. They had a thirst for this knowledge. But the GED program there is required in all federal prisons. You've got to get a GED if you're going to be there long enough. Maybe it's in Colorado also, but that's a very. You know, you're teaching math, you're teaching English, sometimes English as a. As a second language. You're teaching reading and writing. I mean, there's no variation. They have to take these tests. How can a GED teacher in the Bureau of Prisons in Colorado be actually teaching Tina Peters? Be going after Tina Peters? I mean, it's outrageous. Is anybody on top of that? I know you guys are very aggressive, but is anybody on the prison authorities in Colorado to say this is unacceptable?
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Oh.
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Let'S just say we're working on that. I need to find out a little bit more information. I need to figure out if this guy is still there or if. If he's now been kicked out of the place. I mean, you know, somebody like that, I mean, you know, I. I don't like seeing people lose their livelihood. But when you have somebody like this, that puts people in danger. I mean, that. That's an idiot. It needs to be out of there. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that because that's not fair to all the idiots. I can see them complaining.
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Peter, can you describe when I was in federal prison, the shu, the Special Housing unit, which is either they call it the whole or solitary is not a place. I mean, they put people that get. Do drugs, get lines, start fights, start riots. They put them in the shoe normally before they transfer them to a medium, but sometimes 30, 60 days, this is a penalty. Psychologically, it is very tough for the hardest of the hard to get through. I mean, you just don't have any access to anything. These cells are not the best. Is that what Peter. Is that what Tina Peters had in Colorado? Was she put into a shoe? That is one of these ones. That's very confining, you see. No. Is that what they put her in?
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Yes, they did, but as I said, they allowed her to go out to make a phone call. But when she would need to go out to make a phone call, that meant everybody else had to stay in their cells and they couldn't be at leisure while she was making a phone call. It's not exactly a way to become popular or acceptable to the other people that are now getting upset with you because you're making phone calls. So, I mean, when you're in, you know, because you have a personal experience, and I'm sorry that you do, but you do have that knowledge of what it's like to be in a confined place with other people that might be very dangerous. You know, in. In the women's prisons in Colorado, it's not like the men's prisons where the monsters are in maximum security. And then they've got medium security minimum, they've got camps, but with women, they put them all together. So you've got Tina Peters, which if she had committed a crime, would have been a white collar crime, and she did not commit a crime. But if she, you know, so you got your white collar people together with your monsters, and it's a scary place for these women. And don't think that some women aren't monsters, Believe me. She had a cellmate at one point who was not only participated in a murder, but she was the one that chopped up the body, you know.
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No. These prisons are full of predators. They are full of some of the worst people in the world. What is Tina's health like? What was it like before she went to solitary? And what is it like when she gets out? Because there's all kind of rumors going around about her health. Can you get us up to date on the facts?
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Yes. Yes. Okay. So, you know, before she got into this whole mess, she had cancer and she had most of one of her lungs removed. So she's got about one and a third lung left. I mean, she's compromised. And when they put the heat on in the prison. It blows all these particles through the ducts, out of the ducts, mold particles and other, other, other things that are making the people in there sick. Not just her, but she's especially compromised because of her age, coupled with the fact that she only has one and a third lungs left. So, you know, it got really bad. And I have to tell you that the prison got very busy, you know, once these complaints were being aired and they, they, they, they, they got the scrubbing up some of the mold and so on, and they, they did some remedial measures to make it a bit better. But she's still coughing on, you know, she can't get rid of the cough. She says it's the same cough that she had before they diagnosed her with cancer. And the first time they diagnosed with cancer, they looked and looked for what the problem was and they couldn't find it. And then eventually they found it. And she's concerned that it's the same thing going on at this point. So it's very scary for her. And she's in a place that's just a horrible place to be. And for what? I mean, that's the worst part of it. For preserving evidence, for making sure that the truth will be told, to get to the bottom of the people that basically stole our country for four years. I mean, for that. That's why she's in prison, for basically making an image of the hard drive. I mean, they found other pretexts and ways of calling it a crime so they can get away from the election. So nobody could say anything during the trial about the election, although this is all grounds to get it all reversed on appeal, you know, so.
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But that appeal, appeal process is a process that will take a, take a significant time, correct?
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It does, it does. You know, first of all, we do have a date in January. We will be arguing to, to the court of Appeals. And then they take a long time. They always do. Maybe they'll act a little bit faster, but it just takes time. But we've got Peter.
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Yeah, Peter, you're, you're a gentleman. You're a gentleman. I know you've got, you don't want to mess around the judge or anything like that. But isn't the reality, Peter, Tina Peters is a political prisoner and has been used by the Secretary of State there as a political prop in that polis. The governor is going to run for president and he needs to be able to point that Tina Peters, who tried to show that the 2020 election was stolen and had all this evidence and preserved the evidence, as she should, is going to be his exhibit one for all the crazy political lefties that are Trump haters, that have Trump derangement syndrome that separates him out from the pac. So that you're fighting uphill no matter what your legal arguments are. In Colorado, we see how corrupt it is, not just the governmental level, but also at the court level and even the prosecutor level. What's happened to Tina Peters is outrageous. And you sit there stunned that it could happen in the United States of America. Sir.
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I don't disagree with you at all on what you're saying. And I may be a gentleman, but I know when, you know, when somebody's pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining outside. You got a judge, just Judge Barrett. He was just horrible. I mean, he called her a charlatan twice while she was, While she was being sentenced. I mean, how could he say such things? Don't forget, she didn't testify. Right. So it's not. And he calls her a liar. I mean, this guy. This guy is just part of the left, what can I tell you? And doing exactly what the enemies of the United States wants them to do. I've encouraged people at the Department of Justice to start looking at some of the judges that acted in outrageous ways. And I'm hoping that these judges get charged for whatever conspiracy they're part of where they are. They know, you know, in some cases, you. You might have a judge that, that, that, that doesn't. That swept into it, may believe honestly that these people are doing something wrong and so on. But look at what happened to the J6 defendants. Look at those federal court judges. Somebody needs to look into the ones that knew that they were doing something wrong. There's no way in the world, for instance, that a judge can say in front of an employee panel jury before opening statements and look at an accused and say to that defendant, say, you are a. An insurrectionist. You know, you're trying to destroy this company. You're guilty of killing five police officers. And I. And you're guilty. And then expect the jury to be fair. I mean, they know how wrong that is. There's nobody that's gotten through law school that doesn't know how wrong that is. So if they're doing something so wrong that they have to know that they're out of bounds, they should be prosecuted, and I'm pushing for that.
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Peter, hang on for a second. I want to get into all that, the push for the prosecutions. Also Peter's got Some very big breaking news on the Tina Peters situation of going on offense. Want to thank Peter for sticking around. We're taking a short commercial break. Take your phone out and text Bannon Ba n o n at 989-898. Get the ultimate guide for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump IRAs. 401 case tax deferred. All of it. Talk to Philip Patrick and the team today.
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Sign up for free and go be part of the movement. Okay? I'm up on Getter all the time. You want to see the breaking news about what we're working on, make sure you go there. Two things. Number one, they did sign another executive order in the Oval this afternoon about the Genesis mission, about a whole of government approach on artificial intelligence. I'll break all that down a little bit tonight on Getter. But tomorrow on the show we're already packed in the show. Ambassador Grinnell is going to be with us. Brother Malpass is going to be with us on the World Bank. So much going on across so many different areas. Mike Davis, Julie Kelly, both what's happening on Legal. So we're getting to all that shows already packed for tomorrow. In the morning, in the afternoon with these advances in AI home title lock now more than ever, every dream you've ever had is in your home. And if you're fortunate enough, remember first time buyers Average age is 40 years old. Record. It's insane. 40 years old first time buyer. If you're lucky enough to own a home, 80 or 90% of your net worth is tied up in that home. Do not let that dream become a nightmare. It does not have to be with advances in cyber AI all of it plus rogue lawyers, accountants, rogue family members. Not that anybody be sitting around the Thanksgiving table not going to say that. Not going to go there. But for pennies a day you don't have to have that worry. And the opportunity costs if something happens, they get access to your mortgage and take out a second with a hard money lender. All you're going to do is be focused on that home. Title.com promo code Steve Talk to Natalie Dominguez and the team. Do it today over this holiday. Take some time. You have a minute or two, just check it out. Make sure you do. You never expose your ownership and your equity in your home to to bad hombres. Okay. Hometitle.com promotion code Steve also Scott Besson or Scott Besson. He is the interim head of the IRS. They will tell you it's a $2 trillion deficit. You heard earlier today Philip Patrick a 1.2 trillion or $1.3 trillion gross amount of interest for paying on that debt. They're looking for every penny possible. There's a difference maybe what the IRS thinks you owe and what you think you owe. What you need is talk to tax network usa.com but also 800-958-1000 talk to an expert today you get a free consultation. Just tell them the war room sent you. Ben has sent you to talk to me. Settle over a billion dollars of tax issues. They know all the agents you should be working with. All the IRS agents. 800-958-1000 take away that angst. If you got a letter and it's in your drawer. Don't think it's going away. Ps and fees and penalties are increasing every day. 958-800-958-1000. Tell them the war room posse sent you in, Bannon, and get a free consultation on your situation there. They will hear your tale of woe. And believe me, they've heard it all before. So do it today, Brother Tickton. Tina Peters is a fighter, and she hired a fighter. You've got a different theory of the case. What are you working on right now about a party? Because I, quite frankly, I thought the president and anybody associated at the federal level is dialed out. This is a state deal, and Polis is using her as a prop for running for the presidency in 2028, sir.
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Yeah, obviously she's being used for political purpose and says, you know what? What's going on here is, as you said before, she is a hostage, she's a political prisoner. Nothing less than that in America today. So, okay, so what's my new idea? All right. I mean, we're still going ahead with everything we're doing. We still have our appeal going in the state court. We still have our petition for writ of habeas corpus. And, please, I'm hoping the judge gives us a decision sooner than later. It was going to be one week, and now we're over five weeks. So I'm hoping we get that from the magistrate judge, who seems to be a fair guy. Hopefully, it's going to be the right decision. We've attempted to get her put into federal custody. They think that this is a sham. The governor's office basically believes that we're just doing that so we can release her, which would destroy the entire program. You know, that would be a stupid thing to do. You know, the federal government is on a regular basis getting state prisoners to be removed and put into their custody so they can deal with federal crimes and investigations that are federal. If they start using that as a trick to free somebody, they're going to destroy the whole system. It's not what's intended by anybody. It takes a crooked mind to think other people are crooked, and that's what we're hearing from these people. So, you know, let me just tell you what the Constitution says. I'm not going to read a lot. I'm just going to show you. It says, he, meaning the president shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except for cases of impeachment. So cases against the United States or offenses Rather, against the United States. One would think that that would mean federal, right? I mean, if it's against the United States, the United States is the federal government. And for a while I was thinking that. But a couple of weeks ago on a flight, I watched the movie Lincoln. I had seen it before, but I figured, you know, let me. Nothing else look good. And there they read at the end the 13th amendment. And the 13th amendment is very short, and it says, neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So let me just take out the exception part to make it easy to understand. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the United States. And when I say United States, of course you're thinking about the federal government, the country it. Right. We live in the United States. It is a country. But until after, when this was read at the end of the movie, it reminded me of something that I had learned long ago, which was that until after the Civil War, when people referred to the United States, they always saw it as their or they. And this amendment, when I heard it, it reminded me of that exists within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction, not its jurisdiction. So when they speak of the United States in the Constitution, they're speaking of the states. So again, what did it say? The President shall have the power to grant pardons for offenses against the United States. But at that point in time, they were talking about the states, even in the Constitution itself, not just the amendment that was at the end of the Civil War, but in Article 3, Section 3, it says, Treason against the United States shall consist only of levity, levying war against them, against them, against the states, or in adhering to their enemies, not its enemies. So when the Constitution speaks of the United States in terms of the power of pardon, they're speaking of the states and the crimes that are done against the states, as well as any that would be against the federal government. And believe it or not, this question has never come up in jurisprudence. There's no cases on this. And things that we did look up that deal with this are basically supportive of this. There's nothing that says that this isn't the way the law should be interpreted, because you have to look at what was meant by the Founders. And fortunately, we have a court that has a majority that isn't looking to make new law. They look to what was discovered, what the Founders had found or were thinking. So Think of it this way. Let's just say a bunch of countries in South America get together, Bolivia, Colombia, whatever, a bunch of countries, and they make a union between them and they say, you know what we're going to do? We're going to have a really strong union like the European Union. Okay. When you think about the European Union and you start talking about that union is going to do this or that, you might be thinking of the individual countries. So let's just say they called it the United States of South America. All right? And they said, you know, and when they would talk about the United States of America or not the United States, but let's call it the United Countries because a state is a country. We were 13 colonies that turned into 13 different individual countries, 13 different states that got united. So when you look at the Constitution and what this means is that the President does have the right to grant pardons for crimes that are state related. Because the only reason that people think that the President doesn't have that power is because they're reading that offenses against the United States the way we would in the 21st century, the way we look at it now, not the way the founders would have looked at. Does that make sense?
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But, but I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but let me ask you, if the president, if he, if he gives a pardon today to somebody had a federal crime, they're either out and the pardon is kind of symbolic, but maybe it takes away the penalties they got to pay, etc. Or they're under the custody of the Bureau of Prisons, which reports to, it's a, it's a division of doj. And he just calls, he gives a pardon, it goes to doj, you process it. They go to bureau prison and the guy's out like the next day, like he did for Santos right here. It's in Colorado, and not just in Colorado polis. And these people are trying to set an example. She's 71 years old, she's a gold star mother, she's had cancer, she's in ill health, they're torturing her to send a signal to everybody that they're powerful and MAGA is weak, that they're powerful and Trump is weak. They're saying we can do what we want with this woman as long as we want. And we don't care what Peter Tickton says in his law books and we don't care what President Trump wanders around the Oval Office and says, and we don't care about his true socials. We have control. So if you convince President Trump. Hey, this is that DOJ signs off of it and he sends it out. Unfortunately, he doesn't control the Colorado prison. So. Walk me through. We got a couple minutes. Walk me through what happens. Do federal authorities go to Colorado and tell the state authorities back the fuck off because we're here to get Tina Peters, sir.
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Oh, it's not gonna work that way. But you're right, there is that problem. Of course they're not gonna listen to us. We're gonna present the pardon. We're gonna say release her and they're gonna tell us to go pound sand and we're gonna basically then, well then we'll immediately be filing a lawsuit in, in a manner that we can do it on an expedited basis. We'd be moving for declaratory relief and, and we would then bring it right in with motions for summary judgment to get it all decided so that the court will then decide. This has got to go to the Supreme Court of the United States and we got to get it there as quickly as possible because we got this lady. Peter.
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Peter. The Bureau of Prisons in the federal system do prisoner transfers between state and federal every day. Right. Is a normal course of business. You're trying to do one here because Alex Jones is breaking. It's all these, hang on. But it's not just that. Is that the machines have been questioned in the Philippines. The machines are questioned now in Venezuela. You've got the company used to control the machines have sold themselves to another guy says hey we're going to shut them down. You've got the Democrat Crockett, I think Jasmine Crockett is in Texas saying you can't use the machines anymore. The machines are now. And I'm not a machine guy, we're a mail in ballot guy. However, everybody's talking about the machines and the corruption machines. You're asking for a standard federal prison transfer because of this bigger case. And they're telling you there go pound sand when anybody else they'd work with, okay, you got a state prisoner, it's going to be in a federal witness. We'll do it. They have so much state on not just Tina Peters being in prison and serving nine years, but Tina Peters dying in prison. This is what they want and you know it as better as anybody because you're working it every day. So what incentive does anybody have?
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It's so stupid for them to want that. And yet they do. I mean how stupid?
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Why is it stupid? They want it. No, no, they want to because it galvanizes the they tried to assassinate.
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But.
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Peter on their side. It galvanizes it just as much as not more. These people are deranged. They're sitting there with a 71 year old woman who's a gold star mother. It's like the vestal virgins in Rome. It's the highest you can have in our society to have your son killed in action in defense of their country. And they don't care. They just put her in solitary confinement when she's sick because some teacher went off on her in front of a bunch of prisoners who would be unacceptable in any federal prison. He'd be turfed out immediately. She wouldn't be put in solitary. He would be put up on charges. These people are psychos. You have a psycho governor who's deranged and polis. You have a secretary of State who crimes are manifold and yet nobody can touch him and nobody's going to go after him. The justice department has to go in there and put these people on trial. They have to take the Secretary of State. This is why we need action, action, action. They're never going to turn over Tina Peters. Tina, this is now a cause celebr on the left to hold her and to make sure she's miserable. She's tortured and she dies in prison.
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Sir, maybe we need to do what Eisenhower did in Mississippi. Maybe that's the answer. But I will tell you, sometimes I just. I live in this world.
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What was that? Be specific. When you said Eisenhower in Mississippi, what are you talking about?
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Well, there was a point in time where Governor Wallace in Mississippi was not allowing black students pupils to go into the white schools and, and Wallace National.
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Are you, are you calling.
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Hang on.
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Are you, are you calling for the 86, I think in Arkansas against the governor there. He sent in the 101st Airborne. Are you saying that you believe the president should call out the 101st Airborne? They should go to her prison in Colorado and say, hey boys, the pros from Dover are here. Back off. We're taking Tina Peters and we're gonna take her today because this audience would 1 million percent back you. Back the Justice Department, back the Secretary of War, Back the President of the United States if we did that tomorrow morning. And that's the type of thing it's gonna take.
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Well, these are my thoughts. You know, look, the president has a lot of things to think about and a lot of things he needs to weigh. You know, just at the verge of while he's going to be going into Venezuela or while he's talking peace in China. Whatever he's doing. There's, you know, it's not that easy to necessarily do that, but do I think that it should be done for. For. For who I am? Yeah, I'd love to see that happen. I'd love to be able to.
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We spent nine months. We spent nine months and we spent nine months, and they worked every day to get the hostages out of Israel. And everybody supported that. You got to do that. But for this audience, a higher priority is the hostage of Tina Peters in Colorado. Okay, we spent. We moved heaven and earth to get the hostages back, and thank God we did, particularly over this Thanksgiving weekend. But Tina Peters is as high a priority as the hostages in Israel that Hamas took. She's that high. This is an innocent woman that sat there. As you said at the beginning, the election was stolen. Everybody knows that. They know that this horrible crime that we don't seem to be able to get organized enough to go, and you're working your tail off. But conventional methods are not going to work here. They're just gonna say, fob us on, because they will, and they think we're unfocused.
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If I can get a judge to agree with me that she should be released, whether it's by habeas corpus, which we're already doing, we're just waiting for that decision from the judge. If I get. If she is to be released and we have a federal court judge saying that she needs to be released, believe me, they're going to either release her or there will be something. There will be marshals at least knocking on their door and requiring that she be released. It's going to happen once we get that order, and we did have that order for Eisenhower. But meanwhile, what you're saying is so true. Sometimes I don't even know what's going on in the world. Sometimes I think I'm standing in the Matrix, in the movie Matrix, and I got all these people that are asleep on beds all around me, and somehow I woke up and pulled my tubes out. And then I find people like you and other people that are like people in your audience that are seeing reality, because when you say that they stole the election, they didn't just steal the election. They took over our country for four years and did whatever they could to destroy it. I mean, when did it ever become a good idea to open the southern border? When did it. I mean, all of their ideas, all of their craziness and what they were doing, the weaponization that I have seen since I started doing These pardons, it's all over the United States. It's pervasive what they were doing. They went after upper middle class people, they went after police officers, they went after doctors that were in favor of Ivermectin. They went after different targets. And believe me, if we had a Kamala Harris as president, right now, they'd be picking us up by the truckloads.
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Can you. We gotta bounce. Where do you go for the Tina Peters fund? Where they go to your social media, you're fighting the good fights or where they go, people want to support you.
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Okay, I'm@legalbrains.com okay? Plain and simple, Legal brains for Tina Peters. It's Tina. Go ahead, Tina Peters. It's Tinapeters us. Please go there, brother.
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Thank everybody. Go there tonight. And Peter, I'm gonna have you on very, very shortly. We're gonna drill down on some more. I love Tickton's solution. Send in the 101st Airborne. We freed the hostages in Israel. It's time to free her. And for the guys negotiating the Ukraine deal, I don't want to hear about the sovereignty of Ukraine till we have the sovereignty of the United States of America. And central to that is freeing a 71 year old gold star mother from these corrupt demons and devils in the state of Colorado. We'll see you Tomorrow morning at 10am when you will be back in the war room.