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WarRoom Battleground EP 904: Exclusive Interviews From CHD Conference Pt. 2
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go.
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To share the big lie?
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MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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I'm Claire Dooley. We're here at the Children's Health Defense Conference. I'm a documentary filmmaker and I've been really enjoying having some conversations with brilliant minds. Today I'm about to be joined by scientist Kevin McKernan who is going to be talking to us about genomics, DNA impurities and the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. But before I get started, actually Jessica Rose, we had a discussion with her at an earlier date. You can look her up and get a little more context on her perspective of this topic. But Kevin, thank you so much for joining us.
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Thanks for having me.
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Okay, so before we get started and then you say that you're in genomics, I need you to explain what genomics is.
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Okay, so it's a branch of molecular biology where we, so I worked on the Human Genome Project. We sequenced genomes and try to use that to better understand. Well, in our case right now, our current company, we look for microbial contaminations on natural products. So if you go into the supplement market or you go into the cannabis market or even in the food market, all of that, all of that chain is tested for E. Coli, salmonella, listeria, and you probably hear about outbreaks of that here and there throughout the news. So I've cut my, my teeth in the Human Genome Project many years ago doing this. I've built DNA sequencers and started several genomics companies. And, and so I, I guess what brings me to Children Health Defense with all this is that I saw how they're misusing PCR tests during COVID And so.
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Well, we'll dive into that real quick, actually. So, so PCR tests for those of you who do not.
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That the majority of testing in the United States on Covid was done behind the scenes. My sister actually was working at A lab called. Actually, I don't know if I can say that, but she was working at a lab in New Orleans doing PCR testing on different products. Can you explain as simply as you can, what a PCR test is and why it might not be the best test for an active infection like Covid?
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Yeah. So PCR is a wonderful tool for amplifying a piece of DNA or RNA that might be in a given sample. We use it all the time in the food industry and in the cannabis market. But what it doesn't do very well unless you combine it with some other techniques, is tell you whether that organism is alive or dead. Because you can be at a crime scene and pick up dead DNA. Right. And that can happen in foods. In many cases where they might irradiate them or decontaminate them or sterilize them in some way, it'll still leave some DNA behind. So the food industry knows this problem very well, and this is why they demand, whenever you're doing pcr, that there's always a confirmation of the viability of the organism. That didn't happen in Covid. They just were getting PCR signals and not assessing whether the virus was alive or dead. And we now know that people could be PCR positive for Covid for like, 90 days, but they're only infectious for nine days. So the vast majority of people they're running around running PCR on during COVID were people who were already recovered. And so they were then quarantining people who you wanted in the herd. They were destroying herd immunity with PCR because they weren't using it appropriately. And I wrote a paper about that and got a lot of friends, let's just say, keep it short.
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That might have been your intro into maha, which we're, we're glad to have you in maha. Um, I, I remember one sentiment I heard a lot from a couple different scientists and epidemiologists during COVID is that we weren't having an epidemic. We were having an epidemic of testing, which I, I think I'd like to get your thoughts on that.
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Yeah.
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So it.
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Here's the thing is that PCR can pick up live dead if you use the right tools. They just didn't want to do that because I think they wanted the. The presence of a pandemic or the appearance of a. So there are a variety of tools published out there to do live dead PCR, where you can discern whether the RNA is inside of a viral capsid, if you will, or not. They didn't want that they wanted something where they could crank the PCR sensitivity up so high that whenever you had a positive, you then go test the rest of your household that would give them five more tests. So there was a financial motivation for them to have very high positivity in PCR because it created an exponential return on investment. Right. If I get one positive from you, and every positive I get gives me five more because you live in a household, this spreads, you know, a return on investment exponentially or geometrically. Right. So that did happen. They definitely were over calling the pandemic with pcr. And this also attributed to them, you know, labeling a lot. A lot of other deaths as COVID deaths, because PCR signals could be detected in hospitals and almost everybody, even if that wasn't the exact cause of death.
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Right, right. Actually, I traveled the country on the CHD bus where we interviewed thousands of parents and victims of the COVID hospital protocols. And, you know, when the protocols weren't working, what do we do in medicine? We change them. But during COVID the bureaucrats, the hospital administration, said, nope, this is what we're doing. We're not doing anything else. There were a lot of really brave doctors like Dr. Pierre Corey, American frontline doctors who changed their protocols and saved a lot of. Some of them had zero patients die. But some of the stories we heard on the. On the bus tour were interesting, that someone would go in for something completely different, but if they tested positive for Covid, were quarantined from their family, later, put on a ventilator. When we know once you're put on a ventilator, your. Your odds of surviving are much lower and consequently passed away. If you want to learn more about that, go to CHD TV and look up VAX 3. I'm in there, my baby girls in there. A whole story is there. But, Kevin, I wanted to actually move on and talk about the DNA impurities. So talk us through. You tested Pfizer and Moderna shots and found some DNA impurities. Tell us about that.
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Yeah, so after I wrote that, that paper on pcr, people started sending me vials, and I didn't have a good use for them, and I didn't know who they came from. But one day when I needed an RNA for a particular experiment, I dec. I grab a Pfizer and a Moderna vial and throw them into this experiment as a control to see if they'd come out. And they did come out, but they came out with other plasmids in there that no one was expecting to be there. So this is.
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Its background in the manufacturing process. Some would call it a process related impurity, but it's really a contamination in my mind because they did not inform the regulators of certain sequences that were in there. And so this is a piece of DNA that's utilized to make the rna. And if they were done correctly, all that DNA would be gone and you'd have pure rna. In fact, that's what you were told in the label, that this is just an RNA shot. And you probably heard them tell you it'll never integrate to your genome because it's only RNA and it'll stay in the injection site. That was wrong. And yes, RNA can integrate into your genome with reverse transcription, but we won't go there. The real problem is if there's DNA there, it can definitely integrate because DNA is prone to integrate, particularly if it has some of these SV40 components. So the SV40 components are. The Pfizer vaccine has them, Moderna does not. They have no business being in a vaccine because they are elements that allow that vaccine to replicate inside of mammalian hosts. And there's no reason for your vaccine to be replicating inside the patient. That's dangerous because it could shed and it could never, you know, it can never turn off, if you will. So when we found that those components were there, we raised the alarm. We published some papers on this. They've since been replicated all over the world, finally peer reviewed in multiple places now, and there's a general acceptance now that, okay, we have vaccines now that are contaminated. The FDA is not doing anything about this. And it's, they arguably are an exhibit of fraud because these components were not disclosed to anybody during, during the administration of the vaccines.
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When you say.
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Peer reviewed, I think a lot of people know what that means. But when we talk about this paper being replicated also basically meaning that other scientists have tested Kevin's beliefs or his findings. Not beliefs, has tested your findings and verified them to be true. I would love for you to touch on that and then also move on to the weaponization of science and how scientists like you come under attack.
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Oh, sure. So, you know, peer review is kind of a new. There's, there's some sort of history to help peer review started. And if you want to learn about that, there's a great article that talks about.
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Maxwell, Robert Maxwell, who's actually Ghislaine Maxwell's father, who really kicked off this, this church of peer review. It's a gatekeeping operation in science. You know, we don't really care as much about peer review as we care about reproduction. If other scientists can replicate the work, that's what matters. Because peer review right now is just somebody reading your journal and guessing whether it'. Reproduce. But they don't actually do anything to prove, to prove it or not. But when people actually hit the bench, that's what, that's what matters. So Bridget Koning has reproduced this. Ulrich Commemor has reproduced this.
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Denny Riolt reproduced this. A bunch of high school students actually went at the FDA lab and reproduced it. Wang et al reproduced this. So there's a long list of people who have done this. David speaker as well. So we have reproduction now and that's the most important aspect. But in terms of weaponization of science, yes, Peer review is one of these things where for some reason in the sciences, if you ever get a retraction, it's like a career ending move, which is it shouldn't be, but this. Yeah, it's like a blacklisting event that does tremendous damage, I think, to the.
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Process of science because then people, science is inquiry and so if you can ever make a mistake during inquiry, you will end up never finding new things. Right. It's a conformity system. If you're afraid to make a mistake and you get completely castigated and thrown aside, if you make a mistake in science and it ends your career, who is going to venture outside of the norms and question things like Galileo did? Right. We need to have an environment that encourages people to make mistakes and publish oftentimes papers that are risky and maybe someone will find a mistake in there. But you don't have to have a career ending move just because you have typos and what have you, which is what it's turning into when it comes into the, the pandemic took place. There are mobs that assembled online to run around and retract papers not because they had errors in them, but because they were counter narrative. They didn't say safe and effective in the opening sentence of a paper and they didn't say these vaccines are great, they saved millions of lives, but they might cause cancer. That's the kind of tone you're seeing in peer review right now, is they all have to have this opening psalm that the vaccines save lives, but they.
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Cause cancer, though it's greatly reduced the mortality of diseases across, you know, this whole rhetoric. Kevin. So I to just go back to this point one more time.
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Why is this paper important? I want to talk about why this paper is important and then I want to move on and talk a Little bit about cannabis and autism.
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Okay. Certainly. So that the paper is really important because it highlights all the evidence behind what we believe is a fraudulent act that occurred at Pfizer. Now, for those who don't know, you need to read Retsef Levies and the ASIP committee. He's got a very important paper in the BMJ with Josh Goodskow that highlights that Pfizer actually did not give the same product to the public that they put through the clinical trial. All right. That's a major issue. Right. They use PCR to make the DNA they used as input to their, to their manufacturing and process. One that was at the clinical trials, one they did the debate and switch. And they switched to this other process where they made the DNA and E. Coli. And that dramatically changes the DNA. It's got a lot more. It's got this SV40 stuff in it now and it's got methylated DNA. And there's. I can touch on why the methylation stuff is an issue, but it's a bit of a, that's a bit of a rabbit hole anyway that, that excess DNA can trigger cancer pathways when it's in an LNP and gets, and gets put into cells. And that's, that's the concern we have, is that this could be an oncogenic event that's occurred by having this contamination.
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Now, I think you wanted to segue from that into why. Why is the paper so important in terms of proving that? Is that we demonstrate the numbers are over the limit. The FDA has a particular 10 nanogram.
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Limit, the numbers of DNA impurities. So it's over what they're saying.
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It's over what they're saying. And I think the paper is also reminding the scientific community that how did we generate that 10 nanogram limit? Because in the past, vaccines weren't delivered with lipid nanoparticles. They're just injected into your arm. And your arm pretty much destroys DNA in like 10 minutes if it's not wrapped in a lipid nanoparticle. In fact, they had to put that wrapping on the messenger RNA to get it to work or semi work. Right. It doesn't get into the cell. So. So now that we're using a lipid nanoparticle, the half life of DNA needs to be remeasured. Like the 10 nanogram limit is a thousand fold too high. And the, the scientific community needs to prove that, that the limits that are currently in place for traditional vaccines, whether they're sufficiently adequate for what we're doing with Lipid nanoparticles. We don't think they are. We think it's much more dangerous now that you have lipid nanoparticles involved and that those. Those limits need to be changed. The paper walks through all the reasoning on why is it over the limit, why too high to begin with, and what are the cancer risks that are imposed by having these SV40 components that are inside the plasmid vaccine or the Pfizer vaccine, which were never disclosed to the regulators, and the regulators have come out admitting they were deceived.
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At the Children's Health Defense Conference, where we are now, there, they did a panel on turbo cancers. You guys should Definitely go to CHD childrensouthevents.org and look up this panel. Learn more about turbo cancers. We also touched on that with Jessica Rose. Nobody is, especially this particular paper that you've written is not. Is not saying that this is causing cancer. But you also are asking the question, you know, should we be cautious about this? Should we look into this? Yes.
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And that's why it's getting targeted for retraction, is because they're not arguing about our details of what we found from the methods. They're arguing that we're making associations with cancer that are unproven. But we're very clear in the paper that we're speculating here that there are links to SV40 and cancer. This should be looked at. It wasn't disclosed to ask a question. It's. Yeah. I mean, the people that do this, they. They try to. They even try to retract. If you put a hypothesis out there, they don't like, they go and retract your hypothesis. It's gotten. It's got to be ridiculous. So. So peer review is going to die. I mean, the thing is, there are ways to do this now on decentralized peer review systems. So what we've been doing is moving to Bitcoin. We're putting our papers, etching them into Bitcoin and onto onto Noster. These are just.
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I would love to see your work continue and not be at risk of retraction as long as you're doing good science, which it seems like you are. So we've been talking about DNA impurities and the Pfizer Moderna shots. They have published this paper. It's been replicated across the world in a couple different spots. And obviously the establishment does not want this to happen. So we are expecting to come under attack. But that's okay. You know, we actually at the Maha Institute had a roundtable on the weaponization of science. And in this roundtable discuss that these days, as long as you're doing good science, you're not committing fraud. Threat of retraction usually means you're doing something right. And so I wanted to go back to that one more time with you, Kevin. What does your paper mean? Why is it important? Why should America be mad?
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Yeah. So the paper highlights a deception that's occurred with the vaccines. All right? So we need to have transparency on these things. We gave these things to billions of people. They were liability free. There were mandates involved. And yet we're discovering that there are hidden components inside these vaccines only because citizens are sequencing them on their own nowadays. That's kind of embarrassing because DNA sequencing can be done like on a, on a phone size instrument. I mean, they're USB sticks that cost maybe five grand. There are even high school kids, as I mentioned before, that went into the FDA laboratory were able to find this stuff. So the regulation is not happening. When there isn't liability, there won't be regulations. The paper's important because it shows what happens when you don't have liability in a process. This, that the FDA is not going to monitor this and that it's going to become contaminated and you're going to have components in there that could be, you know, a cancer risk that are undisclosed to the FDA and sneak right through and no one sees it after until billions of people are injected. All right, you have to back up and recognize that now while there is some cancer going on. Right. We saw people speak about this, right. This is a major attack surface, I think on the evolution of humanity. Like if you let them inject the entire world with something that's this poorly tested, it could have killed off the entire species. Now obviously that didn't happen. I'm being hyperbolic. But you have to recognize that a liability free mandate like this, where no one's looking at what's in it, is a major.
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We cannot afford to be nonchalant. We cannot afford to have, you know, loose ends. Right? Because the cost of that is people dying. Cost of that is people being injured. The cost of that is people getting cancer. And it's at the end of the day our lives that are affected by bureaucrats who are not ever held accountable is exactly right.
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If you have no accountability like this, this could be an extinction level event. If it happens again and they have something more toxic than what we, what we found in this one. So this has to change. Like there has to be liability. They can't have Mandates. And we need to sequence every single vaccine that's ever been out, because now I don't believe in the purity of any of them. When I see what I found in this one that was apparently warp speed and had, you know, the biggest pharmaceutical companies involved. What's in all the other ones? Has anyone looked? I mean, there's no liability on those either.
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Well, I actually would like to touch on that. I made a documentary about fertility regulating vaccines in Africa, which sounds as horrible as it is. And also it's something that I didn't want to be true. I think when I was working on the project, I was having a hard time admitting to myself that it was true. But I reviewed the papers. I mean, what happened in Kenya is that the World Health Organization, they deployed a neonatal tetanus program where they were targeting women of reproductive age, giving them five shots spread six months apart, which is identical to the research they did on a tetanus vaccine that was conjugated with hcg. So that means basically, they took this tetanus toxoid, this tetanus toxin, they chemically binded it to human chorionic gonadotropin, which when a woman takes a pregnancy test, that's that first hormone that signals the baby's there. And so what that did was when they injected into a woman, it would attack the HCG in her body and cause her to miscarry. And so they did this in many third world countries. This one particular country in Kenya, doctors on the ground seize the vials and they tested them in a lab. They did HPLC test. You're familiar with that. And we were given the results. And, you know, it was covered up. The media said, oh, it's debunked. You know, these. These doctors, they didn't know what they're talking about. We made a documentary I produce with RFK Jr. And Mary Holland at Children's Health Defense called Infertility. If you go to infertilitymovie.org you can watch it for free. It's, you know, around 30 minutes.
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But that is a crime against humanity. And that is a very dark reality. And I would say that that was intentional. I don't think that there is a way that you could say that's not intentional, because there's no other program in the world that gives women five doses of tetanus shots spread six months apart. Because that's not how immunity works. You're supposed to have it for up to 10 years.
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So, Kevin, I would love for you to watch that at some Point. I'll send you a link.
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What can I say other than I'm not surprised anymore.
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Right. And that's the weaponization of science. Right. Earlier we, we interviewed a speller called Caden and his mother Jen. And he is a non speaking autistic adult. But he communicated to us that one of his top priorities for autistic adults in America is biomedical interventions. And I was just chatting in biomedical intervent means, instead of a behavioral therapy, when you know an autistic adult is having a meltdown and screaming and pulling at their head and, you know, having all these issues, they say, hey, this isn't behavior, something's wrong, they're in pain. Right. And so let's address that pain. Let's address them medically. Let's see what we can do for them. So Kevin, you have done some work with medical, cannabis and autistic.
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Yes, we have. So I spent five years in a CLIA laboratory sequencing kids with autism, epilepsy and mitochondrial disease. And that's when a lot of parents came to us asking, can you clean up the cannabis supply chain? We need to get cbd. And we don't trust the vendors because the plants keep changing from Charlotte's Web to auto to, you know, you name it, AC dc. So the cannabis market is being a bit of a black market. It's hard to track what they're actually getting CBD from. And sometimes when the strains change, you get different ratios of cannabinoids that come out of this. So it's very important to dial in on this because some of the kids will respond to cbd, some will respond to cbg, some controversially need thc. And from the information I hear from the physicians is while people may think that would get pediatric kids stoned in the case of autism, they're not actually seeing that. They don't think they're stoned. They think it's actually damping down some type of neural inflammation. So they're actually back to, to baseline and they feel normal. And, you know, there are ways that you can assess this based on, you know, either memory tasks or agitation.
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If you're a speller, you could communicate what's going on.
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Absolutely, yes. Yeah. So I encourage people to look at some of the videos we have at CanMed. So we run a medical cannabis conference this year. It's in Lake tahoe in June, June 12, I think, to the 14th. But it's the website canmed.com c a n n med. We've been running this for 10 years. It started at Harvard Med school and it's now been moving around the year to a different location. But the physicians there and all of their videos and their presentations are online for free. So if you have a child.
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That'S impacted, whether it be vaccine, injury or autism, it's a wealth of information there to go through and figure out the different types of cannabinoids they're using for various types of epilepsy and autism. And they're having remarkable success with patients like this. I think the basis behind it is there's some type of neural inflammation going on. Yes, there can be some genetic predispositions but that's not the driver. The genes don't change this fast. Toby Rogers is totally right there. But you can sometimes sequence them and figure out which drugs they're not going to respond well to. Like there are some cases in epilepsy where you don't want to take certain types of anti elliptic drugs based on your genetics. Right. So that can perhaps be informative. But the sequencing also taught us that most of these kids have some form of neuroinflammation. And if you combine that with other toxins like Tylenol, which makes a toxic liver byproduct that you've probably heard about recently, NAPQ1 Tylenol is an interesting story. When they outlawed cannabis, Tylenol got put in place. It's a cannabinoid mimetic. The active part of Tylenol is AM404 that increases nandamide levels in the blood. CBD does the same thing but doesn't have the toxic liver byproduct. So they made a cannabinoid toxic when they're normally non toxic. It sounds like pharmaceutical industry take a natural product and make it worse and outlaw the other one one. So there's a wealth of information on the endocannabinoid system with autism and epilepsy. Now there's even FDA approved versions of certain cannabinoids for epilepsy. So this isn't like you know, woo woo, hocus pocus natural medicine stuff. There's, they've gotten things through the FDA and they've got physicians using this quite effectively on many patients in that space. And the one other piece I'd add is the mthfr. Genetics may be important as well. That's the folate pathway. So when that, when that sometimes is impaired you can't detox as well and you're going to have a collision perhaps with other toxins like vaccines and Tylenol.
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Yeah, I feel like we're just hitting the tip of the iceberg with President Trump's announcement about Tylenol. I feel like there was a lot that got lost in the weeds, but no pun intended.
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One thing that, that we could take home from that is that, you know, HHS is taking this autism issue seriously and that folate deficiencies and folate itself have a relationship in some way to autism. And I'm really excited to see what happens because I know that in my lifetime, we will see the end of the autism epidemic. We will know the cause, we will know how to prevent it, and we will get judged. Justice for those who have been hurt. Kevin, we've got a minute. Please give us any of your final thoughts.
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Well, if I encourage people to look at. If you're interested in the endocannabinoid system, I think go to canmed or at least view those videos. They're free online. There's a wealth of information there. Those physicians have been fighting this fight for 50 years. So they're the meme that you see of, you know, the guy that's getting himself in a noose and is about to hang, and the guy's going, first time. Those are cannabis physicians as they march into this Ivermectin mess. There's been a war on drugs for a long time. Many of the drugs that they are attacking are, in fact, safer alternatives to what's out there, and you just have to educate yourself on them. Yes, there's some recreational issues that you have to be aware of and how to mitigate those. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in this. There's some very important natural medicines out there. And I think that's where we need to go in the MAHA movement is get away from this, this addiction to synthetics and move back to the pharmacopoeia that we pulled out of the forest and start categorizing this and making that stuff safer and. And distribute it to physicians who are outside of the insurance industry and direct primary.
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Absolutely, Kevin. We're going to make America healthy again. We are here at the Children's Health Defense Conference, and Children's Health Defense will not stop until that is accomplished. So thank you so much, Kevin, and we'll be back to you guys after break.
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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. I'm Claire Duly. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I'm here at the Children's Health Defense Conference. This is the moment of truth in Austin, Texas. RFK Jr. Is sitting as the secretary of HHS. We have a president in office who appears to be listening to us. But that will not stop and really change what we do. We're going to keep doing what we've always done, which is fight for our children, those who have been injured by vaccines, and educate the public so that they can have informed consent. So I'm very proud to be sitting next to the president of Children's Health Defense, Mary Holland, and also our lovely Michael Caine.
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C
Nice to be here.
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D
Yeah. Mary, I want to talk about what has been happening today at the conference. Let's start with talking about the senators that spoke to us.
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E
Yeah. So it was another amazing day, our second day and the we had two senators appear this morning. Both of them wanted to be here in person, but because of votes Related to the shutdown, they had to call in from D.C. so first we heard from Senator Rand Paul. He was talking in part about his book, book called Deception. And he has really done a great deep dive on what happened in China. What were the lies and corruption and cover up. That led us to the ridiculous story that Covid came from a wet market and then he moved from the COVID up in China to the COVID up in the United States. And because so much of the funding that went to gain of function research was frankly illegal and was tied up with Chinese research labs, there's been an enormous effort on cover up here. He let us know that he has attempted to bring Dr. Tony Fauci, former head of the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, to the Senate to testify on a voluntary basis. He can subpoena him, but he would prefer that he come in on a voluntary basis. It will be more difficult if he has to subpoena him. It will take longer. So they're in negotiations, he told us, which is really exciting. He was, you know, he really is the person, more than anybody, I think, who's been trying to get to the bottom of what's happened at NIA and what happened with COVID and the spread and who's really accountable and holding them accountable. And he told us that now that Secretary Kennedy is in office at hhs, he is starting to get access to a lot of the correspondence that went down. But he really articulated for us the reality of the deep state in hiding this information and the competition between these different agencies. But that this is, this is really a real issue and he's really dedicated to it. So that was great. He was followed by Senator Ron Johnson. And truly, the vaccine injured from COVID and from the childhood schedule have had no better champion in the Senate than Ron Johnson. And Ron Johnson talked about the hearings that he's had, about the briefings that he did about his commitment to working for these people, asking us to help him, get people to him who could testify about what happened during COVID and about vaccine injury generally. And so, you know, for us, Claire, who were so. We have been so marginalized for so long, you know, we talk into the air and it goes nowhere for us to have two sitting senators, third term senators at our conference opening the second day. That's an incredible vote of confidence in what we do and the truth that we're telling. And so it was very, very gratifying.
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Absolutely. I mean, I mean, getting to see someone like Ron Johnson and Rand Paul contributing to the children's Health Defense Conference. I mean, it says a lot about what CHD has been able to accomplish over the past few years. And also, I mean, both of them seemed very excited about what we're doing in the future, too.
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Yeah, I mean, they genuinely really regretted being here because they know that we support them and that we are supporting the work that they're doing. And so there's a relationship there.
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D
Absolutely. I wanted to move on and talk a little bit about. We saw today Forbidden Facts with Gavin de Becker. We talked about the, you know, breaking down the mainstream measles narrative.
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I really want to talk about. So Gavin de Becker just wrote a book and published it and gave free copies to everybody at this conference. That's a thousand copies. And it's an amazing book called Forbidden Unwanted Truth. And literally, he talks about the history of the Institute of Medicine that people would imagine is a government agency. It's actually not. It's now called the National Academy of Medicine. But it's basically a hired gun. It's a gun for hire, often hired by the government. And so he walks us through the lies that they told around asbestos and talc, around Asian orange in the Vietnam War, around other industrial products where, you know, the Institute sides with the industry or with the government. And then he brings us up to autism and he walks us through the literally tragic comic.
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Documentation of transcripts from meetings that were held around what were they going to do around thimerosal. And he said, says, you know, the first thing on the first day is we're never going to say that. That vaccines cause autism. We're never going to change the childhood vaccine schedule. All we're going to do, there's a bunch of scientists, allegedly, we're just going to Wordsmith so that we can craft a narrative that will confuse people but say that we're not responsible. And so then he actually did invoices, Claire, like Dr. Berg and Dr. Goodman. And it is literally. We were laughing because it's so ridiculous. It's is absolutely. It is absolutely ridiculous narrative. I highly recommend this book, Forbidden Facts. It's short, it's to the point it will make you laugh, but it's also a really serious book about the level of dishonesty that really pervades some of the highest scientific and medical institutions in the world.
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Yeah. That is Forbidden Facts, the Unwanted Truth by Gavin de Becker. Totally. Look up the book. Get it? We have it at our house and I've started reading it. It's pretty fascinating. I want to switch tone to the measles epidemic, quote, unquote, or breakout, I guess they would call it in Texas. You know, right. As RFK Jr. Went to sit as HHS Secretary, the media started this whole campaign about a measles outbreak in Texas where supposedly three people died of measles. Well, we had one of the parents of one of those children who died, and we had two, I think, almost two or three doctors actually. I would actually like for you to talk a little bit about this measles panel that we had today, Michael. It was covered on CHGTV at the time. So if you want to go back and look at those interviews, you can check them out at CHG tv. But Michael, tell us a little bit about what was discussed today.
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The measles panel was phenomenal. We had Dr. Ben Edwards there, a true, true hero who really treated sick children who simply had an infection and did it the proper way. He also invested hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money to airlift sick children that were needed at times. We actually at Children's Health Defense, we honored him and gave him our Defender of the year award for 2025. He so, so deserved it. He was there talking about the experience, dealing with it and implementing proper protocols. At one point, he was even talking about it interfacing with then head of the cdc, Manares, who is no longer the head of the CDC now, about the protocols he was doing about what was happening, you know, from cod liver oil, making sure these children were getting vitamin A, natural remedies that were helping. They also had Pierre Corey on the panel and a medical doctor, a critical care doctor, who was able to analyze the medical records of the children alleged to have died of measles. And he says unequivocally, shockingly to him, they did not die of measles. They died of medical error and medical malpractice that disgusted him. He couldn't believe what he was reading and what he was saw some basic, basic things that were.
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Some of these hospitals were teaching hospitals from what I understood as well. So. So, yeah, there's some really basic errors that were made. And would you be able to speak a little bit to Daisy, her father, the little girl who passed away? The dad talked a little bit about the discrimination that they had in the hospital. Right. For being unvaccinated.
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Peter Hildebrandt was here with us and bravely got on the stage. His wife was here and was not comfortable getting on the stage, but she did come and, you know, support her husband and he supporting her, her. And yeah, he, he spoke to the Discrimination that happened to them. He spoke to coming to the hospital 1, 2, 3, 4 times for the same thing before being referred to a specialist. He talked about his daughter having thrush. Like, well, then they looked in the throat, they saw that there was a white coating back there. And they said, oh, that looks like that's due to some sanitary problems that this child or the home might have, like, completely horrible diagnoses.
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That.
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That made no sense. That seemed even, I might even say classist, you know, definitely discriminatory. These. These people, I mean, they're the salt of the earth, right? I mean, and when I was talking, you know, to Peter about him coming here, he apologized to me a couple of times. I helped him get here and make travel arrangements and such. He apologized for. For actually saying to me, you know, I'm, like, really poor and I'm sorry, you know, I'm not able to. To pay to get there and things like that.
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This.
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And I totally can see when you hear the whole narrative how the hospital would just treat them as something they didn't need to care about, that they didn't need to worry about people who. They would tell what to do and not inform and not engage them in the process. And this. I mean, this. And this happens to people regardless of their class or status, that doctors end up treating us just like a product. I have five minutes for you. We need to get this done. We need to move on. And tragically, that ended up resulting in the death of. Of at least two children misdiagnosed as being from measles. That's not what it was. It was medical error and it was malpractice.
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Yeah, this is actually a topic that chgtv and children's health defense films covered in vax3. So vax3thg bus with polytamy traveled the country. I was one of the filmmakers involved in that. We covered countless people. I mean, thousands of people, especially during the COVID hospital protocols during. During the, you know, the lockdowns that said that, you know, as soon as they found out that that individual was unvaccinated, completely different tone. I mean. I mean, some people were told that they deserved to die for being unvaccinated. And I think that there was. In Peter's original interview at chgtv, which you can find he did describe the mistreatment that they received. I mean, he even described this little girl, you know, who is so weak because of this issue of the medical malpractice that they had. And they're talking about her like she's already dead. And she's sitting there, you know, I mean, it's really dark.
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And very upsetting when it comes to. This is what we're fighting for. Right. I mean, if you want to speak to that, Mary, we have two more minutes and we'll take a short break.
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There's one thing I do want to add. There was another woman from the Mennonite community that came here named Tina. She's a leader in the community. You know, everybody really looks up to her. And to hear her heartfelt thank you to Children's Health Defense and to hear her just. Just on the brink of tears, to talk about how important it is to educate people about what happened, to speak up about this, to show up when the most horrible things happen to your family and to your kid, to be able to have a community to rely on. She was so appreciative of everything that Dr. Brian Hooker, Polly Tommy, Ben Edwards, Children's Health Defense, CHD TV, Pierre Corey, all of these things that our community did to stand with them. Who would they have been with? I mean, who would they have stood with if not for us? And lastly, I just want to say Secretary Kennedy, who came down there and treated them like humans, who posed for photos with them, who went to the funeral. It's just our in community. It's just one of those moments where I realized just how important our community is and the work that we do.
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Yeah, I just want to add to that that this was a small, very fundamental religious community. It was a Mennonite community. And Tina was kind like the intermediary. And the outside world was trying to get in and characterize these people as backward and stupid and don't vaccinate their children and weird. And it was Tina who humanized them. And I think we humanized them and brought them onto CHC to tell their stories. These were wonderful people who love their children, and they had suffered severe vaccine injury. That's the reason they didn't give their children these vaccines, because they'd seen the harms. And they were doing this out of love for their children and their community. And so we saw these heroes like Dr. Ben Edwards, who is not a member of that community, but he made sure that they were treated with dignity and respect and good care. And I think we at Children's Health Defense wanted to honor that and honor this community for their choices that they are entitled to make. So informed consent, that's what is it all about. We're not going to judge anybody for what medical decision they make, but we want Them to have the truth to rely on. And we want them to have the right to a choice.
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This has been in many ways a historic weekend. I mean, the people that have come together and the momentum that we're feeling here, that in my opinion, I have been in this for the past 10 years, but I have seen, you know, this snowball effect, and I think it's only going to grow, it's only going to get bigger. And you should join us. And I want to tell the guests how they can join us. I want to explain to them once again, who is chd? What is CHD doing?
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Sure, sure. Yeah. Claire, we want you. And we're so grateful to Steve Bannon's war room for letting us have this opportunity to extend our audience and to have you know about what we're doing. So we engage in four different areas. Education, advocacy, science, and litigation around one mission, and that is to end the epidem of chronic childhood disease. Our country has over 50% of sick children with some kind of chronic condition. Asthma, allergies, autism, adhd, diabetes, cancer, awful diseases that children should not have. I love the saying of Secretary Kennedy, a healthy child has a thousand dreams, but a sick child has but one. We cannot afford as a country to have. Over 50% of our children have only one dream, which is to be healthy again. And so what our job is, is to reduce that back to maybe a level that we can't change or try to drive it to zero. We would love to be out of business in five to 10 years with chronic disease at under 10%. That's really where the starting point was in 1980s when we started to see this incredible rise. But we put out a daily newsletter, the Defender. It's free. Sign up children's healthdefense.org we put out daily videos on a streaming platform, CHD TV. Good morning, CHD Every day, 10am Eastern. It's an amazing, amazing series. Michael does a show. I do a co show with Polly, Tommy. It's really, really fun and I think really educational. We're engaged in litigation. We have several cases right now before the U.S. supreme Court. We've won really important victories against mandates, against masks, against PCR testing, four religious exemptions, four medical exemptions. This is a coercion. And in the area of electromagnetic radiation. No other organization is doing the kind of litigation that we're doing there. And we're doing original science around vaccines. The government should have, 100 years ago done comparisons of unvaccinated versus vaccinated people. It was really Never done. We're doing that research now. We're doing those analyses right now and we're proving that unvaccinated people are healthier than vaccinated people, full stop. So I think that the mission that we're on is really important. We absolutely appreciate any and all support and engagement. Engagement with what we're doing. It's been a great weekend and we're really grateful for you to tuning in.
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D
And speaking of one of the branches of activism, Michael Caine, that is one of your involvements, Grassroots. Let's talk a little bit about that, how people can get involved in what you do.
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Yeah, I'm actually the director of advocacy at Children's Health Defense. And you know, Steve Bannon often talks about this historic Maga Maha alliance that just happened just in, in 2024. You know, with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And Trump joining forces. We have this very unique window, a lot of medical freedom workers on the state level, and it will always continue to be. But now we have this federal opportunity where we can engage our federal elected representatives and senators, engage the executive branch. And so this is something where myself, Mary Holland and all those other organizations that are doing great work, we're starting to look in that direction too. What is the window of time that we have to make impact nationally on the federal level? I'll just give one example. There is the Grace act, which Representative Stube in Florida has brought, which would guarantee at bare minimum the right to a religious exemption to vaccination. There are currently five states where you can't get a religious exemption exemption to vaccination. California, New York, Maine, Connecticut and West Virginia, where there's still a dispute after these last elections. We sure, we just saw New Jersey and Virginia. We are concerned about Massachusetts, we're concerned about Hawaii. We're concerned about. The Grace act would guarantee that either you have a religious exemption in your state or you won't get federal education funds. And that's Representative Stubby. We have a couple of dozen co sponsors there and these are things that we are working on and exploring to see. What is the national strategy that we have in D.C. how do we have an. An impact? So tune in tochildren's health defense.org and sign up for the Defender and stay tuned to what we're doing because we have action alerts and we have things that are coming up on a very regular basis. That's just one thing that we're working on. There's so many different strategies, strategies and activations we're doing on the federal and on the State level, too.
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Absolutely. Mary Holland, we've got one minute. Give us any final thoughts over the weekend.
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It's one of the most important things we do, and Michael's involved, is creating a sense of community. Oftentimes up until now, people have felt pretty alone. If you're the only person in your family who didn't go get a Covid shot or who doesn't want to vaccinate your kid, you can feel like it's. It's tough, it's lonely, and you can be sort of ostracized from your family. One of the amazing things that Children's Health Defense does is it helps to create that sense of community. It helps you to find other people who feel the same way you do, that they want to stand up for your rights, to make your own decisions for yourself and your children. And so the conference is an important way to do that. The chapters are an important way to do that. Finding out we have a community forums, another way to do that. We have monthly online meetings is another way to do do that. Come join us if. If you care about health freedom. We want you to be part of our team. And we're a big umbrella. We've got all kinds of other groups here with us this weekend. We don't want to be the only group by any stretch of the imagination, but we're an important one where I think any person can find a home if they want it.
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Go ahead, Michael.
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There's one thing that was a little novel this weekend that I want to bring up. Last night we had this really wonderful dinner where Russell, Brandon, Cheryl Hines came. And it was just so great to see from the comedy of Russell Brand. And just he did this thing where he just posed for photos for like an hour with everybody who was there getting business cards from people. And then he went up and he went through every business card and kind of made fun of everybody that was there and what was happening. And just. It was just so great. Everyone had a great time. And then interviewed Cheryl Hines about her book, about her going on the View recently, about her defending Robert F. Kennedy Jr. As Secretary of Health and Human Services, where everybody is saying he's not a doctor. And she totally dismantled that. And you know, Mary, it's just to see Cheryl Hines own progression in her own education and willing to now step out and come speak at a Children's Health Defense event without Bobby Kennedy on her own.
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I mean, shout out to Cheryl Hines. I've just really seen some great stuff. It was a really. It was a really fun night last night.
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Yeah.
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All right, you guys, it was an amazing weekend. Thank you so much for joining us. If you're interested in donating to CHD, you want to join us, text CHD to 55444. Let's make America healthy again. This is going to be our wrap on the CHD conference and we'll see you next time.
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