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WarRoom Battleground EP 912: Three Giants: Falwell, Dobson, And Robertson
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Dave Brat
And where do people like that go.
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Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
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Dave Brat
MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Bill Federer
War Room here's your host, Stephen k. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
Tuesday, the 16th of December year or the 16th of December. Yes, Tuesday the 16th of December, year of our Lord 2025. Welcome for the second hour of the late afternoon early evening edition of the War Room. I'm very pleased we were able to put this together. The reason. Put it together and put it together quickly. I thought it was very important before because there's going to be a bunch of big old fights over the Christmas season and then into New Year about exactly where we stand and what we're trying to accomplish here. And I wanted to go back in time and point to another time that we had issues kind of like this and people stepped into the breach and really had courage. So it's about three giants, Dobson, Falwell and Robertson. Dave Brat, you're at liberty now. You've been, you know, I know you love that institution. You talk about it all the time, set the perspective. We've got Bill Federer, who's one of the best historians out there and a great Christian writer. Why is this important? We're doing this now. Why is it important to remember Dobson, Falwell and Robertson? Because they come from, you know, the height of their game was the 70s, really the 80s, maybe into the 90s. Of course, all of them left institutions that lived beyond them. But why is it important for us today to understand why they. Why they are giants, sir?
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Dave Brat
Yeah. Well, I was watching your show earlier today, and it was the perfect setup. I mean, the men in this country and the muscularity of Americans is just down the tubes right now. We're no longer strong. The evangelicals used to have these strong men and leaders across the country. Today we've still got a few powerhouses left, but there it's a few. And so your news today, you got Rachel Maddow mocking us. Constitutional rights. You got a beautiful young Woman down in Georgia that just had acid thrown on her face. And it appears there's not enough masculine deterrence going on in Minnesota, across the world. And so we need to get our game back up. The idea, right. This country has been very generous when it comes to human rights. Right. We are the only tradition. The Christian tradition is the only tradition that came up first of all, in the first place with human rights in about 1300s, thanks to you Catholics. So I'm giving you a nice shout out there. And then we have achieved them fully with the United nations and the rest of the country around the world do not have mature human rights systems. Systems. So they come over, we protect minority rights. We protect their right to religion, to speech, to everything. And they do not do likewise. This is kind of new. We used to be a little more muscular. And so Jerry Falwell, here's what he had to say to his critics on this kind of thing. And this has to do kind of with the founding and the. The initial rights we had. Here's how Fowler responded to his critics in 1980. I'm being accused of being controversial and political. I'm not political. Moral issues that have been made political, I still fight. It isn't my fault that they've made these moral issues political. It couldn't be more timely. But because they have done that doesn't stop the preachers of God from addressing them. Right. So the left, we used to have rights to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. Now there's a right to everything under the sun. The left and the minority populations in this country are acting like they're the majority. Right. The Islamic community. Right. Now, folks are coming over. Congresswoman, there's a couple of them out in Minnesota, et cetera. They're very. Being very belligerent and acting. Not that they have minority rights protected, but that they want to rule with the majority. And that is not the system our founders set up. And so we need to return to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and James Dobson. What they set up was incredible. And I'll just add one other. Yeah. Little piece. Under education, Falwell, you know, he want now liberty. We have a good K to 12 system as well. We have 170,000 total students in our network. But on education, Falwell saw the public schools, secular education in general, calling them breeding grounds. Right? Public education, this was back in the 70s and 80s, calling the public school systems breeding grounds for atheism, secularism and humanism. And he certainly got all that right right now. You see, at Brown University. In our elite, our elite university, they no longer believe in human rights that come from God, inalienable rights. And so the three leaders would never have put up with any of this. They were out at the ramparts yelling and screaming and preaching as prophetic voices. And I'll just give you one little more piece to Falwell. America had lost the blessing of God. This is in the 70s, lost the blessing of God because the nation had turned from following the Almighty. Falwell said the ultimate blame for the nation's ills was not to be found in Washington D.C. but the doorstep of apathetic Christians and in America's silent pulpits. And his prophetic voice could not be more timely.
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Steve Bannon
I want to bring in Bill Federer. And Bill, I'm going to get to your writings and your books in a moment. I want to thank you. You know, you're one of the, I think, best writers around. We'll get into that in a while. You knew all three of these guys and Brett and I really thank you for doing this and carving out the time that we've done and kind of practice, et cetera. Go back to the time America had basically come out of World War II as the only unscathed power. Obviously. China had lost 35 million people and it was overrun by communism, part of which we turned over to the Communists, our State Department at the time. Russia was destroyed, Germany restored, Western Europe's destroyed. America was a superpower and had a deep faith. It was a deep faith that won that war. But by the 60s, something happened. Now I'm a believer in the turnings and you go through a fourth turning, but something clearly happened. That was where Dobson, Falwell and Robertson came from. Right? Because later in the 80s and the 90s, or really late 70s, 80s and 90s, when they rose to power, all three as national figures and built institutions that outlasted them, something drove that. So take us back in time to the country. What was it that drove these men, all three very different, on their path? Not just their personal search for the Savior and for God, but then they made this really courageous decision that. I'm going to go into the public square, sir.
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Bill Federer
Right. So World War II, we win a two front war and the socialists realized they can't defeat us on the battlefield. And so the Antonio Gramsci, the long march through the institutions. Their goal is to rot us from within. And even Albert Herlong, Congressman from Florida, reached into the congressional record in 1963, the 45 communist goals. It's destroy the churches, destroy the families destroy marriage, destroy traditional morality. And so those three men, Pat Robertson and James Dobson and Jerry Falwell, realized and sensed that this is where the new war is. This is a war that's on the inside. It's like they've. They've introduced an autoimmune disease into the body politic. And we have this fighting going on inside, and it's over the morals. And so each one of them realized that they couldn't just live their life inside the four walls of the church. They had to impact the country, and they had to take the step, and we have to impact politics. Right here we have the midterms. My dad was in real estate. Location, location, location were the three rules, Right? Right now it's midterms, midterms, midterms. Everything needs to be focused, because if we lose that, then all the gains that we've gotten could be wiped out. And we could just don't want to go down that road. We need to realize that these three men knew that Pat Robertson had a million viewers a day and Jerry Falwell had, I think, 50 million. And James Dobson's radio program had 220 million listeners a day. And they realized that we can't just talk to them. We have to activate them to save the country. You know, I was with Charlie Kirk four days before he was shot in Seoul, Korea, and they're interpreting his talk, and he goes, the first thing is to put Jesus first in everything you do. And then the second most important thing is to preserve the freedom to do the most important thing. And if we don't get involved, we'll be sharing our faith from a prison cell. So the idea is that you just can't live your life and ignore what kind of country that we're leaving our kids. And I knew, as you mentioned, all three of those, personally, Pat Robertson, the best. I've been on the board of Regent University for the better part of 20 years, and now with Gordon Robertson. But just to see that here's somebody that just the Lord put the idea in his heart to start this university.
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Steve Bannon
Hang on, but I want to get to that. Correct me if I'm wrong, because you knew about Dobson and Robertson started out as men in the world. Dobson was a clinical psychologist. Pat Robinson went to Yale University. His father was a very prominent senator, a powerhouse from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Willis Robertson. They were a very establishment family. He goes to Yale, right? He goes to Yale. He serves in the Marines. But then he goes. He's a lawyer. These are two men of the world. How did they. What was their calling? First to the Lord? How did they even come into the business of dedicating their life to religion and to the Christ and to the church, and then we'll get to the next step of how. Then they took it out into the world. But, you know, Falwell was. Although Falwell, I think Falwell's father was a bootlegger, right? At least the legend has it. These guys were not super holy as they were younger. They were men of the world. And then they got drawn to the Saved by Christ and drawn to the church, sir.
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Bill Federer
Yeah, well, I think you're hitting it right on the head. They had an experience with the Lord. Pat Robertson, probably around 1956. He sat for the law exam, the bar exam, and failed. And then after that, he met Harold Bredesen, and he was a Lutheran minister pastoring in New York, a Reformed church. But he was charismatic. And the movement was sweeping through America at the time. If you saw the Jesus Revolution movie and Greg Lowry in the beginning of the Calvary Chapel movement, that was sort of this time with the guitar in churches and music. But that touched Pat Robertson. And so then the idea is to he read through the Bible and not just reading it as a history book, which it has definitely history in it, but reading it as God speaking to me right now. And he would be confirmed by other different verses. Anyway, in 1960, he had the idea to buy a UHF TV station. And back then, UHF you had your three big ABC, NBC and CBS. The UHF, you had to have those rabbit ears on top of your TV and put aluminum foil. Him and very few people. He didn't even have a TV when he bought this UHF station. And he just had this. The. The Lord spoke to his heart to do it. Spent years doing fundraisers, the 700 Club, people that would donate to it. And it grew and it. It touched lives. And then. But then at one point he realized that we, we have to leverage this. And he started the. The CBN University that turned into Regent University. And then he started the Operation Blessing. And then they started going international. But this is an inspiration to us because he had $70 in his pocket when he first started it. That the idea is that you can take a little, you know, God told Moses. What do you have in your hand? Well, a rod. Okay, I can use that instead of waiting. It's like it's availability, not ability. And so Pat was an inspiration and continues to be through the school with 11,000 students and all the graduates. And now Michele Bachmann is the head of the school of government. And tremendous. When they go through all the accreditation and all that, it's like they have a powerhouse of staff at Regent. And I do want to do a shout out to Liberty University, and Liberty University is absolutely tremendous. And. And I. And I had the privilege of getting to know Jerry Falwell, and not as close, but he did have dinner with him a couple times, and he endorsed me when I ran for Congress. And then James Dobson was focused on the families, told.
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Steve Bannon
Hang on. But. But Jerry, if you take Dobson and Roberson, Jerry did take the path of being a preacher. I mean, I was a Catholic in Virginia as a kid, and that was almost like a mission territory. There weren't tons of Catholics in the state. There was a lot in Norfolk being a seaport town. But Falwell was legendary because he took. I think it was the Thomas Road Baptist Church. It was a little teeny Baptist church. And he became legendary of having all these buses that brought people in. I mean, he really created the first megachurch. But he did that with the power of his gift from the pulpit. I mean, he was known as a brilliant preacher that just drew people to him to hear about the word of God. So he's the one that took probably the most traditional route, although all three of these guys were not traditional. They broke every mold. But he actually started as a pastor and a preacher in his own church, correct?
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Bill Federer
Yeah. Yeah. His goal was to knock on 100 doors a day, six days a week, and knock on every door in Lynchburg, Virginia. So he personally was out there doing this, and he had the Old Time Gospel Hour, and he would preach with conviction. But then when he started the Moral Majority, it was, you know, you had Jimmy Carter in the country and all the Iran. I mean, people forget Iran used to be America's, almost America's biggest friend in the Middle East. I met the Shah's son years ago. I mean, the Shah loved America, but Jimmy Carter abandoned the Shah and let the Ayatollah take over. So anytime you see Iran, this Iran, you know, funding Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis, think you can thank Jimmy Carter. And so Jerry Falwell campaigned. He's put money into ads against Jimmy Carter supporting Ronald Reagan. And so Jerry Falwell is considered the one who delivered the evangelical vote for Reagan. And we had those eight wonderful years with Ronald Reagan, and America became a great nation again. But there's the call out for us. This is our turn. This is our turn to do that same thing.
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Steve Bannon
Hey, Dave. Brat. When Reverend Falwell kind of started. Why did he call it. And the radio show was that. And I think later the TV show. But the radio show became nationwide. The Old Time Gospel Hour. Why did he put the emphasis on old time? Was there something missing in those years and those decades that he felt people needed to be called back to?
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Dave Brat
Yeah, he, he was just 100. In the Baptist tradition of the gospel is everything right. John the Baptist coming in the old time. Repentance, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. And that was Jerry in, in the pulpit there was no one better. Total courage. He, he agreed with you and some of the tough folks these days. There's no such thing as bad press. He didn't care. He would just let it rip. He got into trouble all the time. By the way, some of my good friends put together, put some of this stuff together for me. Daryl Edwards down the hall and Susan Barringer both worked with Jerry Senior personally for years and years and years and gave me some great stuff. But here, here's some of Jerry's titles for his sermons and chapters at 1975 Revival in America 76 Can America Survive? The greatness of this nation. Cleaning up America. Our immoral society. America's moral issues. Getting involved in turning the nation around. So this, this hearkens back to the old time, you know, virtues and values of the founders and the Puritans that made us great. America's sins in 1980. The Christian bill of Rights. I love that Contract with America kind of idea. Changing America's morals, getting back to God's principles and the Moral Majority. It's important to note in the pulpit there was no compromise. It was a hundred percent Christian orthodoxy, period. But when it came to the Moral Majority it was everybody get on the. If you've got problems with the current morality going on the depravity in this country. Protestants, Catholics, Jewish, Mormons, Pentecostals, etc. Everybody welcome. If you got a problem with morality in this country and right now we do not have that. The left somehow has lbgtq, abc, whatever it is aligned with Islamic leftism who opposes everything. And they're all on board attacking Christians these days. And so we need to get the band back together.
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Steve Bannon
But Federer, that's, that's a good point. Uncompromising as a preacher. Uncompromising as. He took that out across the nation with the Old Time Gospel Hour. But he named the Moral Majority because his point was there are majority of the people in this country that are moral are seeking to be Moral and have America be moral. And I will have a big tent. It will be on the right, but it will be a big tent. But we need to come together to take the country back, Sir.
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Bill Federer
Yep. The Continental Congress met in September of 1774, and there was a motion to open with prayer, and it was opposed by the delegate of Rutledge from South Carolina and a couple others because they were so divided in their religious sentiments, is what John Adams wrote. And he said that there were Episcopalians or Anglicans and then Congregationalists and Dutch Reformed and Baptists and Lutherans and one Catholic, Charles Carroll, Carrollton. And so it almost fell apart. And then Sam Adams stands up and he goes, I'm no bigot. I can hear a prayer of any man of piety who at the same time is a patriot of our nation. And then they open with prayer. Right. Jacob Boucher came over, and so that's where we're at today. It's like, look, we don't agree with everybody on everything. I mean, most guys don't agree with their wives on everything. But you love your wife, right? And so it's like, let's concentrate. If we can all work together, we can save the country so that we can all have the freedom to do what we each think is right. And so we have to work together. And that's what Jerry Falwell realized with the Moral Majority. That's what Pat Robertson realized with the Christian Coalition. And James Dobson focused on the family and how he edged out. He endorsed me when I ran for Congress. And they said, now make sure you say, this is James Dobson personally, not focus on the family, because they didn't want to get focused in trouble. But he understood, hey, I have to step out. We have to realize we have to impact the country. And here we are today with the midterms coming up. We have to realize that all of us need to work together and that the goal is to save the country. And then we can each get back to believing and promoting our different views. But if we don't, they're going to outlaw all of our views, and it'll be like the Communist China or North Korea.
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Steve Bannon
What was it about the time? It was really the end of the 60s, the early 70s, and that kind of gap before Reagan, that all three of these, but particularly Robertson and Falwell at that time understood that this is a crisis moment. This is an inflection point for America. We're going to go one way or the other. That. And they actually chose a side politically, right. They chose a Side that the Republican Party is imperfect as it was, right? And I remember somebody telling me one time that the biggest shock that came in the. It was a consultant that told me that in the right after Reagan had lost to Ford in 76 and then Carter had won, that they started noticing, coming to the Republican groups afterwards, as they tried to regroup and figure out how they're going to win at these meetings, you started having what they said were the first time they saw really unclubbable people. And that was right to life Catholics and these evangelicals who were not country club type. In fact, these people were not. If they were middle class, they were kind of the lower end of the middle class and the working class. And they were coming to kind of country club where you had the Phyllis Schlafly, you know, grassroots. But most of the Republican Party was still country club. And all of a sudden these people came and the guy told me, says, you know, these people were unclubbable. You couldn't get them in the country club. And they talked a whole different language. They talked about something that we hadn't really talked about before, because the Republican Party at that time was talking about civic culture and civic society. These people brought hardcore religious views. The evangelical right was hardcore. Get back to the basics of the Bible and the traditional Catholics, the right to life Catholics were hardcore about abortion and a handful of things related to life. But that group, right, gave the foundation for the Reagan revolution. You wouldn't have had these big blowout wins, right, if you didn't have that beginning of a coalition coming together that was something greater than the Republican Party. Talk to me about that. That moment in the 70s is gonna come down as one of the most important moments in the country's history.
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Bill Federer
Yeah, I totally agree. You know, in Europe, it was one denomination per country, and so people fled. But they don't realize that every colony in America was started by a different denomination. Virginia was Anglican, Massachusetts was Puritan, Rhode Island Baptist, Maryland Catholic. And so you literally had churches founding c. And so Providence, Rhode island, was founded by the First Congregational Church. Hartford, Connecticut, rather, was founded by the First Congregational Church, and Providence by the First Baptist Church, and Maryland by Catholics. And so everybody's involved in church and everybody's involved in politics because it's the church founding the city. It wasn't until the 1700s, with the great Awakening Revival, that this movement came along that if you're really spiritual, you'll withdraw from worldly things, including government. And so that it was the early 1700s. You get this idea I'm more spiritual than you are because I'm not involved in politics. It's like that was the seventh. That wasn't the 1600s. 1600s, everybody's involved in politics. Word polis means city. Politics is the business of the city, and it's the church founding the city. So they're all involved. But. But in the 70s, they realized that we need to. You know, in reading American history, you have multiple decades where Protestants and Catholics were hitting each other in loggerheads, right? And it was not good. But in the 70s, realized, wait, this has gone deep now. You know, when they first took prayer out of schools, it was Protestants and Catholics arguing over it. And they said, well, let's just not have it at all. And they left a vacuum. And within just a short time, that vacuum was filled by all the sexual promiscuity and the atheism. And so we're coming back, trying to regain ground we used to have, saying, look, we need to make up. I was reading Washington when he was there. You know, Dorchester Heights in Boston and in the Harvard Yard had some soldiers from Connecticut and they were going to do the annual burning of the Pope in effigy. And Washington said, guys, guys, we're not going to do that anymore. We have Catholics fighting with us against the British. So no more of that. Right? But just idea. We have to work together to save the country. And that's what they realized in the 1970s with Patson and Jerry Falwell and James Dobson.
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Steve Bannon
Bill, Bill, hang on for a second. We're taking a short commercial break. Return. We're going to go through some of Bill's writings that I think people ought to be familiar with. And we're going to talk about how all three of these individuals left institute. They were institution builders and left institutions that live beyond them. Three giants who bound together to save the country. Let's be blunt. The Reagan revolution had as back as a backbone a deep religious underpinning. A religious underpinning that more than ever today that we really need to not just come to grips with, but basically reach out to and make sure we can motivate people to go for it. The heroes.
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Bill Federer
Courage.
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Steve Bannon
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Steve Bannon
Of the new thing. Okay. Welcome back. We're talking about the three giants that would be Dobson, Falwell and Pat Robertson. And these were three giants that saved the country back in the 1970s, 1980s, Federer, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on, you knew all three. You're still on the board at Regent. You knew Pat Robinson very, very well. But you're a great writer. My favorite, you've got a book on Islam in the Quran in the United States. I think everybody needs that as a prep today. Tell me about, give me a minute on that book and I want to talk to you about one of my other favorites. What about this why is this book relevant today on the Quran?
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Bill Federer
It goes through the 1400 year history of Islam conquering all of North Africa which used to be Christian. Egypt used to be Christian. Syria used to be Christian. Turkey used to be the Byzantine Christian empire. But it zeroes in on Muhammad. He was a religious leader for 12 years in Mecca, only makes 70 converts. He gets confrontational, they chase him out of town. He's the first Muslim refugee, goes to Medina which was controlled by three Jewish clans. They're tolerant, they let him in. He goes into the minority neighborhoods and he organizes a following like a community organizer. And he gets involved in politics and he pressures the Jews to a treaty. And then when his followers get chased out of Mecca, there's lots of Muslim immigrants, they come into Medina and Muhammad allows them to rob the caravans headed back to Mecca. He even gets verses from Allah that Allah's giving you the slave girls as your booty. And so he fights in 66 battles and raids killing 3,000 people. And within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina, there's not a Jew left in the city of Medina. They were chased out, killed or enslaved. So it's a three step process. Immigrate, increase, eliminate, immigrate as a religious refugee, go into the minority neighborhoods and build a following and get involved in politics. And then you have random outbreaks of violence usually by young Muslim men. And the previous inhabitants of the neighborhood no longer feel safe. They move out and they take over the neighborhood. And they do that neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city, country by country. And there's a 1400 year track record of how all Christianity was driven out of two continents this way. But I go through it logically, I go through it from St. Thomas Aquinas, what he said about Islam and John Wesley and Martin Luther. And so it's a fascinating book. Barbary pirate wars.
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Steve Bannon
St. Augustine was, St. Augustine was formed. I think he was a Berber, he was from North Africa. The great fathers of the church. People forget that it was deeply Christian. Not just Christian, it was fathers, the desert fathers, some of the fathers of the church. Those first couple of centuries it was unbelievable. And Islam came up in like 600. It was very close to the infancy of the church. Another book you've got I love because it talks about the 16th century, kind of the predicate to the founding of the United States. And a lot of people don't focus on this. It was a rough time and a time of empires. Talk to me about this because this is one of my, this is One of my favorite writings of yours, sir.
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Bill Federer
Yeah, you have Chinese emperors, Indian maharajas, Russian czars, African chieftains, Mongolian khans and Muslim sultans and kings of Spain, France and Austria. The whole world is kings. And if you're friends with the king, you're more equal. If you're not friends, you're less equal. If you're an enemy, you're dead. It's called treason. And you had to believe the way your king tells you to believe, or you're killed. And so it gives a background of why the pilgrims came over. But I get into the details of it. How the king of France was captured by the king of Spain. And Francis the first goes over, makes a treaty with the Ottomans called the Franco Ottoman Treaties. And so Spain can no longer defend North Africa and the Muslims conquer it. One of the pilgrim ships in 1625 was sent back to England with £800 of beaver skins. And a Turkish man of war captures it in the English Channel, takes it to Morocco, sells the crew into slavery. The Muslims in the 1600s captured an entire Irish village. Baltimore, Ireland, the stolen village. They even attacked Iceland and carried away to Morocco. And so they even had to deal with the same things we're dealing with today. Fascinating book. It gives you new appreciation for the pilgrims and how they came over and set up a government where it's bottom up. We the people versus and tough hombres.
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Steve Bannon
That's what people forget. They see him in the big hats and the thing they say, no, no, no, no, no. These people were as hard as boot leather. Tough as boot leather. Hang on a second. Federer, Dave, Brat, these three giants we're going to delve down more and make sure we put together maybe a conference, because these giants saved the country. And we need people like this to step up and be the new giants to save our country today. Your thoughts about the. What were the common characteristics of these three men that led them to show such courage and folks don't remember. These people were attacked viciously, sir.
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Dave Brat
You know, I think Bill did a great job summarizing what the 70s were like. And just to give an overview again of the Moral Majority, there were four pieces to it, according to Jerry Senior, Morality, America, pro life and family. You know, hardly tough subjects to take on. Morality, America, life and family. That's it. And so the question is, how is this relevant today? What did all the big three see in common? Pretty simple. They had a biblical worldview. And it's in Contrast to Romans 1 where, you know, Paul writes, we, we sought to, to Worship the creature rather than the creator. That's what it's about. And unfortunately, we don't teach any systems of thought anymore. Philosophy is kind of dead. Theology is a little dead. All three of these figures were highly educated in the biblical worldview and they saw exactly what was at stake. They were in a war with secularism, atheism, humanism, scientism. All of those are about worshiping humanity and not God. And if you play out what they saw back then in the 60s and 70s, you get today. Now I want to leave with a little hope. We're still, we're still in good shape, right? When you look at the rough numbers of the evangelicals, contemporary evangelical broadcast has reached a large diverse audience. Studies Show More than 60% of American adults consume Christian media. Christian programming total monthly reach 90 million people 36% of Christians the radio 43% TV individual broadcasters like Joel Osteen. Hey, Joel, if you're listening, you got to toughen up here and bring, bring the goods on what we're talking about here today because you have a huge reach, 20 million. Joel Osteen a little too modern and soft. We need to harden and steal the backbones of all these preachers so they understand that this country is under attack.
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Steve Bannon
We need old, we need old time gospel hours. What we need, we need Jerry Falwell, man. Didn't he, didn't he didn't. He didn't soften it. He gave it to you with the bark on.
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Dave Brat
Give it to you, give it to you.
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Steve Bannon
Dave, Hang on for a second, Bill. We got a minute or two. Your closing thoughts is we're have you back on. I think we're going to take each individual maybe over the Christmas season and break down because the Giants need to be understood what they stood for, why they stepped into the breach, why they put it all on the line. And quite frankly, they were victorious. They bridged. They were bridged. They bridged us to where we are today for the fight that we've got today.
- [39:19]
Bill Federer
Bill Federer well, they realized that the battle is for the hearts and minds of the people in America. And so you had to use every way of communication. And so pat used the UHF TV station and then it branched into CBN and the 700 Club. But then he realized that you had to start a university to teach the kids. Regent University University. And, and then the same thing with Jerry Falwell. Use media and, and James Dobson 220 million daily radio listeners Today it's, it's the Internet today it's social media. Today it's it's the, the battle is for the hearts and minds of the country. And so we need to use all the modern technology to reach where the kids are at, where the young people are at. You know, we're spirit, mind and body. Your mind's like a super fancy computer. It's more than that, but it's at least that. And your body's like a computer case, which makes it silly for people to argue over what color the computer case is. Right. But the battle is who gets to load the software on the next generation's brains. And if we sit back, they're going to load all kinds of trans stuff and confusing stuff and mutilate these kids. And so we want to put God's word on there. We want to put truth, we want to put good things. And so that's the battle. And James Dobson and Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson understood the battle was for the mind. It wasn't just denominational, it wasn't just, you know, my turf. It's like we have to save the country. They understood that. They were willing to take the criticism for it and personally. It's only when you have a relationship with Jesus do you not care about what other people think. You know, Peter's around a fire and the girl gets in his face and says, you were with Jesus. And he looks around, he realizes he's going to get kicked out of this group. And he denies Christ. But then after the resurrection, the Sanhedrin said, we told you not to speak in this name. And Peter said it was better to obey God rather than men. It's like what happened to Peter. He's filled with the Holy Spirit. There's something about that that you don't care about what people think anymore. That's what these men had. They didn't care about what people thought. They only cared about pleasing the Lord and saving the country.
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Steve Bannon
Bill Federer, where can people go to get your writings? I want people to become familiar with the pieces you put up, in particular your books. So where do they go?
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Bill Federer
It's americanminute.com and I do do a weekly video for Turning Point, so it's called turningpointed.com and look at resources and it's how we got here. So it's a 7 to 10 minute long video every week, how we got here. They're really well produced. But turningpointed.com and then americanminute.com turning point.
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Steve Bannon
Does such a great job. Amfest this year. Just incredible. These guys, so organized. Bill Federer, thank you for taking the Time. Dave Brat where do people go for yourself to for your social media, your writings, your thoughts and particularly your charts?
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Dave Brat
Yeah, just Brad Economics on getternx and I just want to applaud Bill there. What we put in our minds that don't forget I just list you to numbers. Christians still have 60 to 70% of the people and 70% of our economy is the consumer. We got plenty of power and it's up to the preachers to guide us rightly and they're not and so we're landed at the feet of the preachers today, not the politicians for a change.
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Steve Bannon
What the size of before I go the size of liberty if people have not been down either to regent or to liberty. These are growing institutions. The dynamism and the spirit you go when you go on campus is incredible. Liberty has got how many students? Because you've got this massive online to preach the gospel to the world and to teach people right. Higher education. How many students do you actually have?
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Dave Brat
Yep. 16,000 on campus but 170,000 total students in our Liberty system. 20,000 K to 12, 140,000 online across the world, in every hill office on Congress, the Senate, the White House, under every secretary. We're having a profound influence. The other preachers need to catch up.
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Steve Bannon
Amazing congratulations down there. Dave Bratt thank you so much. Bill Federer thank you. When people get to know your books, I think maybe a good one start is the one on Islam. So thank you sir. Three giants, Dobson Falwell and Pat Robertson. Amazing. Stepped into the breach when the country needed it. Kelly Yates the holidays I've wanted to do this so many times. The news has been so intense. We've had to juggle this. Talk to me about etiquette. You're Miss etiquette. You run a school of etiquette. You consult on etiquette. Talk to me about Christmas etiquette. What for people doing A lot of people get Christmas parties. They sell to go the day, even after Christmas, up through New Year's. Christmas etiquette. What is it and how can people apply it?
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Dave Brat
Ma'?
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Bill Federer
Am?
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Kelly Yates
Yes, well, I have some wonderful tips actually on hosting. If you are organizing any social gathering over Christmas, what you want to make sure is to get the invitations out as soon as possible and include a date, time, dress code. Do include what time the party finishes so people know when to leave and if there's going to be hors d' oeuvres or a full meal so people can plan and know what to expect in advance. Dress code is very important. You can really have fun over the Christmas period with a black tie. Or it could be as simple as you like with a Christmas jumper, which is called ugly sweater in America. And I think it's quite charming and. And fun because you think of the movie Bridget Jones Diary with the dashing Mr. Darcy when he first met Bridget Jones, and he had this Christmas sweater on, and it was so fun. It brings a smile to people's face and. And that's what it's all about. But that's more for, you know, family gathering, not for an elegant, you know, dining event. So the table setting is very important. First impressions are everything. You really want to make it warm and inviting, and the centerpiece is quite important. You don't want anything tall and extravagant that's going to distract from people actually seeing one another, because you don't want to be like a jack in the box popping up and down to try and make polite conversation. It needs to be low, lower than eye level. And it needs to be something like this, you know, a little point of.
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Steve Bannon
Sense, by the way. So. So we have a big podcast and radio audience you just showed. Talk to people. Just describe what you just put up, because I want to make sure people that are not watching on TV or streaming understand what you just did.
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Kelly Yates
The point of setter, that can be very simple. You can get a point of center anywhere, and it's just lovely. So it has to be below eye level so it doesn't distract. Holly is very important to have around the house to welcome people. This is a wonderful Christian symbolism of God's sacrifice. The red berries represent the. The blood of Christ, and the prickly leaves represent the. The crucifixion. And what I really like about it is that the green stays green all year round, and that represents eternal life. So that's really lovely. Mistletoe is a lovely custom. It started in the 18th century with servants in England, and they would put it up high, and it was considered bad luck to. To not kiss. But the. The etiquette rule is you. You don't want to force your kiss on somebody. It's. It's polite to ask and not just assume. Only kiss somebody that wants to be kissed. And it's a lovely tradition, really, but you should definitely have this in your mind.
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Steve Bannon
Is the mistletoe, is that appropriate? I thought it was people that had, like, a relationship or part of the family. Is the mistletoe tradition broader than that?
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Kelly Yates
Yes. That's why it's important to ask beforehand and not just assume it's.
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Steve Bannon
That An English tradition or is that from Germany or from Scandinavia?
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Kelly Yates
Came from early 18th century England with servants and was considered bad luck if you refused to kiss. But it's best to keep it brisk and remember, it's not a snog.
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Steve Bannon
So I got you. We got a few minutes. Just a couple things. Number one on the. On the invitations. How you recommend on invitations to either New Year's or Christmas parties? How early do you send them out? What is your recommendation?
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Kelly Yates
I recommend as early as possible, at least two weeks before.
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Steve Bannon
What about rsvp? Particularly people getting them. I know a lot of folks plan parties. Neither too many people show up or not enough people. What's your recommendation? What's the proper etiquette for rsvp?
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Kelly Yates
Everybody should RSVP the host so that host can plan in advance and knows exactly how many people are going to show up. And that's the etiquette rule? Yes.
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Steve Bannon
And what about the dress? When you're hosting a party during the Christmas period, what do you recommend to most people about the attire?
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Kelly Yates
Well, I always say dress your best if there's not a dress code. But it is best to have a dress code so people know what to expect beforehand.
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Steve Bannon
So you recommend, if you're hosting a party, put a dress code in there. Okay, got it. Continue on. We got about two minutes.
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Kelly Yates
Make sure your table is beautiful. Don't put paper napkins on the table because paper napkins are suitable for children's parties, not adults. This is a time to showcase your finest china and silverware and linen napkins. Make sure you use your best linen napkins. Glassware. I recommend crystal. And always serve your guests on a tray. It's much more elegant than just passing a glass. If you hand it on a tray, and preferably a silver tray, of course. And if you pass it to your. A glass of wine to your guests, always hold it by the stem so it's easier to pick up. And you have that poised position so it looks more elegant. And if you are opening up a bottle of champagne, make sure you don't point it at anybody. And you pour it. When you pour it, actually you do a little twist and that way you don't spill it. Spill the champagne.
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Steve Bannon
Hey, Kelly, we gotta bounce back. Where do people. You have a school that teaches etiquette. You have a consulting firm. But where can people go, particularly for the holiday season? What we just talked about on your website, where do they go to find out all the ins and outs of hosting a Christmas or holiday party?
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Kelly Yates
They can just visit me. It's really easy. Lady etiquette.com and I'm also on social media at the Lady Etiquette on Instagram and Lady Etiquette Academy on Facebook.
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Steve Bannon
Now you do also have a, you have an apparel line. Where do people go for that? I remember in Tampa we were there for, you were there for the Turning Point conference. You had a, I think a beach wear. Where do people go for your apparel?
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Kelly Yates
It's called swanswimwear.com and it's a retro line inspired by golden Hollywood. And it's beautiful. It all comes up quite high so it's more modest and classy and it's beautiful line. I'm very proud of it. So go check it out@swanswimwear.com we need honesty in class. Absolutely. One important tip if I may give at Christmas, remember to say Merry Christmas or Happy Happy Christmas, not Happy Holidays because Happy Holidays is a bit disingenuous and the truth should not be shamed. You know it is Merry Christmas. It's all about celebrating Christ. You know, New year's Eve or July 4th. We don't say Happy Holidays so there's no need to shame it.
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Steve Bannon
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