WarRoom Battleground EP 913: Signs Of Catholic Revival Amid Massive Widespread Post-Conciliar Implosion

Summary

Bannon’s WarRoom Battleground EP 913: “Signs of Catholic Revival Amid Massive Widespread Post-Conciliar Implosion”

Date: December 18, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon (WarRoom.org) – Episode helmed by Benjamin Harnwell
Guests: Frank Walker (Canon212.com), Jenny Holland

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the current upheaval and potential revival within the global Catholic Church—especially in the United States and Europe—against the backdrop of what the hosts describe as a “massive, widespread post-conciliar implosion.” Anchored by the controversial appointment of Bishop Ronald Hicks as the new Archbishop of New York by Pope Leo, much of the discussion evaluates what this means for American Catholicism, the so-called “Bernardin/Obama” wing of the Church, the state of Catholic faith retention (with new polling statistics), and the battles facing Christians in a secular and increasingly Islamized Europe. Segments alternate between alarm, satire, and hope, as the hosts and guests critique Catholic hierarchy, analyze the roots of the Church’s collapse, and spotlight small but important signs of spiritual revival.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The New York Archbishop Appointment: Political & Spiritual Implications

[00:54–14:43]

• Bishop Ronald Hicks is named the new Archbishop of New York, replacing Cardinal Timothy Dolan. Hicks is described as a “spiritual son” of the notorious Cardinal Bernardin, implicated by some in the sexual abuse crisis and driving the Church leftward.

  • Frank Walker’s Reaction:
    • “Well, it sounds like terrible news to me. ... This is, I would call this an Obama church takeover of New York City. That’s what this is.” ([06:01])
    • The appointment is seen not as a sign of moderation (as some claim), but a reinforcement of the Church’s liberal, post-Vatican II, globalist, and “lavender mafia” orientation.
    • Concerns Raised:
      • Hicks’ lack of traditional liturgy in his diocese.
      • Geographical and ideological connections to Chicago—described as “the source of everything bad” in American Catholicism.
      • A “liberation theology” and Latin American influence, equated here with leftist/communist subversion.
      • Accusations about “pipeline of gay seminarians” and “effeminate, groveling” Church culture.

• Historical and Political Context:

  • Allegations tie Card. Bernardin to Barack Obama’s ideological education (with Saul Alinsky in LA), framing the appointment as the latest move in a decades-long “revolution” within the American Church.
    • “Cardinal Bernardin did pay personally out of the diocese to ship a young Barack Obama over... for lessons in community organizing by... Saul Alinsky himself. ... The first edition of [Rules for Radicals] was dedicated to Satan himself.” (Harnwell, [09:34])

• Wider Implications:

  • The discussion frames Pope Leo as the “vicar of globalism,” continuing “Bergoglia’s [Francis] revolution,” and deprioritizing spiritual renewal in favor of political maneuvering.
  • The Church is described as in demographic and spiritual decline: “They only have about 18 people trained to be priests for 300 parishes. I mean it’s entire collapse churchwide.” ([08:02])
  • Overarching view: The Catholic hierarchy is actively undermining tradition and driving away faithful believers.

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2. The Pope’s Trip to Lebanon & Islam in Europe: “Disingenuous” Coexistence

[18:37–27:01]

• Pope Leo’s Advocacy for Interfaith Harmony:

  • Quoting the Pope:
    • “One of the great lessons Lebanon can teach the world is showing a land where Islam and Christianity are both respected and that there is a possibility to live together, to be friends... the example of Lebanon would be important also to be heard in Europe or North America.” ([20:47], Jenny quoting the papal pronouncement)
  • Panel’s Response:
    • Jenny Holland: “Using Lebanon, holding Lebanon up as an example of sectarian success is genuinely the most insane thing I have ever heard.” ([20:47])
    • Ben Harnwell: Dissects Lebanese demographic collapse—Christianity down from 53% to 15%—“That’s what ‘let’s all be friends’ gets you. No, thanks.” ([24:43])
    • Panel repeatedly describes the Pope's remarks as “disingenuous” and “tone deaf,” especially in the context of terrorist attacks and cultural displacement suffered by European Christians.
    • Memorable Satirical Moment:
      • Harnwell: “Tis the season to be martyred, to adapt a popular hymn to present times.” ([23:05])

• Concerns for Europe:

  • The hosts and guests argue that promoting coexistence without cultural confidence and strength is naïve.
    • Jenny: “Trump is right. It's peace through strength... Peaceful existence between religions can exist if the Christian nations are strong and are confident, but that is not what Europe is right now, folks.” ([26:49])

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3. Polling and the Catholic Collapse vs. Revival Narrative

[31:14–42:39]

• Pew Society Poll Breakdown (Frank Walker):

  • “13% of Americans are former Catholics, most falling away because they no longer believe that crap, are tired of the perverts and or their bad politics.” ([31:14], cited from Canon212)
  • Only 57% of Catholics in the US retain their childhood faith—lowest of all major religions (Hindus 82%, Muslims 77%, Jews 76%, Protestants 70%).
  • Very little Protestant-to-Catholic conversion; far more Catholics become Protestants.

• Collapse vs. Revival:

  • While headlines and some articles tout a “huge rebirth” and growth among youth Catholics, the polling evidence (and the hosts’ local observations) show ongoing decline at the institutional level.
  • “Nobody becomes a religion to follow a political stunt, which is what they have.” (Frank Walker, [35:21])
  • Harnwell and Jenny: The “revival” among laity—especially the young—is real but small; simultaneously, the wide base is collapsing as non-practicing or culturally Catholic families drop even nominal identification.
    • “What you have is a movement in opposite directions. ... the falling away of people who were never Catholic in the first place and then a growing intensity... in a smaller minority.” (Harnwell, [38:29])

• Hierarchy vs. Laity Dynamic:

  • Jenny: “The laity is going to revive and rebuild, and they're going to detach from the hierarchy. That's what all of these stories show us.” ([49:45])

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4. Signs of Grassroots Revival: France and Confession

[45:49–49:33]

• France Sees Rising Practice Among Faithful:
  • A recent survey found 50% of weekly Mass-going Catholics in France now receive confession, a challenging and deeply countercultural act.
    • Jenny: “A return to tradition is in the air.” ([45:49])
    • The renewal is seen especially in traditional practices, against a backdrop of social and cultural collapse.
  • Harnwell is skeptical about the number but praises any gain in serious practice: “If that is true, the spiritual fruits of Catholics in France right now will be so great we cannot... have an idea of what that will do to transform that country.” ([48:45])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Walker on US Church Direction:
  “This is, I would call this an Obama church takeover of New York City. That’s what this is.” ([06:01])

• Harnwell on Church Rot:
  “Like a fish, it rots from the head down. You get someone in who's bad at the top... then you even have bishops who had been reasonably good... just become immediately useless...” ([06:21])

• Panel on Islam in Europe:
  Jenny: “Using Lebanon as an example of successful interfaith integration is like saying you’re like the tallest dwarf in midgettown.” ([25:06])

• Walker on Catholic Polling:
  “Nobody becomes a religion to follow a political stunt...” ([35:21])

• Jenny on Laity’s Role:
  “The laity is going to revive and rebuild, and they're going to detach from the hierarchy.” ([49:45])

• Harnwell’s Satirical Hymn:
  “Tis the season to be martyred, to adapt a popular hymn to present times.” ([23:05])

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Important Timestamps by Segment

• Appointment of Bishop Hicks: [00:54–14:43]
• Pope’s Lebanon Trip / Islam in Europe: [18:37–27:01]
• US Catholic Collapse and Pew Study: [31:14–42:39]
• France’s Confession Revival: [45:49–49:33]

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Final Takeaways

• The War Room panel presents a deeply skeptical, at times conspiratorial reading of recent developments in the American and European Catholic Church—identifying a newly emboldened progressive wing, institutional decay, and “globalist” manipulation at the top.
• Despite this dire assessment, they spotlight an energetic, youthful countercurrent of traditionalism and lay revival, insisting that “organic Christianity” is on the rise even as much of the institutional Church collapses.
• The tension between the hierarchy’s priorities and the authentic faith of committed laity is repeatedly emphasized as the axis on which the Church’s future will turn.

For more analysis on Church and culture from this team, listeners are directed to Frank Walker’s Canon 212, Jenny Holland’s Substack, and the WarRoom.org platforms.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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[B]

War ROOM here's your host, Stephen k. Band.

[C]

Wednesday, 17th of December, Anno Domini 2025 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war. In that little portion of the week where we dive down deep into all aspects of the Judeo Christian West, Christian nationalism, looking specifically within Protestantism and Catholicism. In order to facilitate that you, the warring posse as informed as possible about what's going on so you can correctly exercise your agency. Big news then coming out in the last 40 hours, and that is Pope Leo. The man widely recognized but not universally as being pope has made his most substantial appointment or announced. It's been announced. And, and that is he has picked Bishop Ronald Hicks of the Diocese of Joliet in Illinois to be the new archbishop of New York in terms of population, second largest diocese in the States, and to succeed Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who is going to spend more time with his lunch table. Let's break this down as to what this might mean for the Catholic Church in America with Frank Walker. And we've got Jenny Holland as well, coming on later to pick up on various aspects of what's going on here in continental Europe with the the fight for Christianity against one of its principal existential threats, and that is militant Islam. So, Jenny, welcome obviously also to you as well. We'll be joining you in a moment. But before we do that, I think we'll start off Frank with this story then about the New York appointment. Presumably Pope Leo will stick with the tradition largely abandoned somewhat by his unlamented predecessor, Pope Francis. And this will be a cardinal appointment, presumably. New York is typically a cardinal appointment. Tell us. I'm going to give you an easy question to answer. This is something that presumably Tradinc will be getting at the tinsel and saying, this is great. This shows what, how moderate Leo is. I'm not so sure you're not so sure this guy is a spiritual son of Cardinal Bernardine. Right. Ordained by him, I believe, back in the 90s. Why don't we have a voice of clarity from you, Frank Walker, to explain precisely what this first significant American appointment by the first American Pope means for the church?

[B]

Well, it sounds like terrible news to me. Really, it's. But you're right, they're saying that he's a moderate. Some people are saying that he's a moderate. They're saying that he's open to different liturgical variations or something like that. But, and, and they're, you know, they have people on this. I, I see how this site, Trident in brewing and the is trad site saying, oh yeah, he was, you know, he, he was a part of our parish. But when I check there's about, maybe there's several, maybe seven different counties in his diocese, which is right up against Chicago, Cardinal Cupid's diocese. And I can't find more than a couple that masses there. If you only have that many already, you can't really destroy it that much. You know, that's the way it is where I live. There's only two that you can go to in my diocese. It's the places that have several parishes devoted to them that are being crushed. So I don't think they're going to be too happy with that. I don't think that they're going to find that he's, he's a conservative. In fact, there's a video out there of him speaking when Leo was just elected. And he's very, very connected to Leo. And he does not sound good. He does not sound very good. He does not. He does not have a manly presentation. That's what I would say. And you're right, he's in the line of Cardinal Bernardin. Cardinal Bernardin was the father of the modern church and the father of the seamless garment where you destroy the pro life movement through Democrat programs. He's a reputed Satanist, Cardinal Bernardin. And you can see his people like in just, just ended head of Washington D.C. wilton Gregory. So he, in this speech here where he talks about Pope Leo, you can see his effeminate groveling that he makes. He won't be able to make the same presentation on Fox News that Cardinal Dolan. Cardinal Dolan had sort of a, a normal, every man friendly Persona. This, this guy's not going to come off that way. He's going to have to be much quieter, you know. You know, he, and he gushes over Leo and Leo and I are the same. We come from the same neighborhoods, we, we have the same pizza, we swam in the same pools.

[C]

We.

[B]

But he likes the white right socks. I like the Cubs. You know, I don't buy this stuff about these guys even liking sports really. I believe part about the pools. But that, that's his, that, that's, he's. This is a, I would call this an Obama church takeover of New York City. That's what this is.

[C]

Okay, so a few things there to break down. And what you say, I think about Cardinal Dolan is fair enough point. He was totally useless. But at least when he spoke, you didn't get the most common alarm bell ringing that you get with say, I don't know, I don't name names, but say Cardinal Wuerl or someone like that, you, then you have a whole list, right? A whole list of cardinals or bishops of all of unhappy memory. And you hear them speaking and you have that little bell ringing in the back of your head saying, pay attention. Cardinal Dolan didn't set off that particular bell. That is fair enough. But he was largely useless in promoting the agenda that many thought he was going to provide leadership on. You know, it's, it's illustrative that under, under JP2 and as his career, as his ecclesiastical career progressed, Cardinal Dolan was pretty effective at holding the pro life position when he was president of the Catholic Bishops Conference. Really what did it for him is when Benedict resigned and Francis came in and he just lost his mojo completely. And, and Frank, it's illustrative of the fact that this is true in so many institutions, but more so even in the Catholic Church, like a fish, it rots from the head down. You get someone in who's bad at the top of the ecclesiastical apex, like Bergoglio. And then you even have under him bishops who had been reasonably good and reasonably effective just become immediately useless and ineffective overnight.

[B]

Right, right. They said that he was, it was rumored that he was instrumental in the card, in the Cardinal McCarrick takedown, which would began really at the New York Times. And perhaps that was what finally did it for him with Francis. You know, there's a, there's a rivalry, a sort of rivalry. There were some good cardinals in New York City, Cardinal Cook, Cardinal o'. Connor. But Chicago is the source of everything bad. You know, this, this new Hicks, he's promoting all of this. Leo's politics. He spent five years in Latin America, another bad sign. And he worked in an orphanage. There's been stories of a pipeline of gay seminarians. Coming from Latin America into Chicago. There's been Chicago priests caught in cars in Miami. I don't like the sound of this liberation theology, Latin American Persona that he has here. So this is, I would say this is an Obama church takeover. Obama and Bernardin went together. Bernardin paid for Obama to get his communism lessons when he was young. And, and Pope Leo and Cardinal Supich and all that are part of that kind of church. That's not really what the New York church. Not that the New York church is doing well, I mean they have a huge settlement. They have to sell these half a billion dollar property now and they only have about 18 people trained to be priests for 300 parishes. I mean it's entire collapse churchwide. But you know, this is, this is not, this is the bad side of the church, which is where Leo is from. The lavender mafia. Even though it's lavender all around. The lavender mafia, bad side of the church coming to New York.

[C]

Let's just wheel back a moment because you did say something interesting that too few people know about. Cardinal Bernardine did pay personally out of the diocese to ship a young Barack Obama over, over to la. I think it was for, for, for lessons in community organizing by, if I'm not mistaken, it was Saul Alinsky himself. The, the, the, the, the author of Rules for Rules for Radicals which was dedicated, the first edition of that Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Satan himself.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

That I think Alinsky said the, you know, the original rebel. So that, you know, that was Cardinal Bernardine and, and his spiritual heirs and successors are firmly entrenched now. Right. Throughout Illinois, especially Chicago obviously. And you mentioned that he spent five years in Latin America. I just want to pick up on that point. Sort of running some kind of charity, I think, organization down there for, for orphans and what have you. It is an interesting parallel that these two kids, Bishop Hicks and Robert Provost, now Pope, they, they grew up side by side basically in these neighboring suburbs. Right. Yeah, isn't it? And they both spent, they both spent a substantial period, obviously longer for, for, for Pope Leo, but they both spent substantial periods in Latin America as part of their formation.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Psychological formation.

[B]

Latin America is the breeding ground for liberation theology, which was a communist corruption of Catholicism. Very effective because you can say all sorts of things that sound faithful and Catholic, but you keep emphasizing the poor. You almost worship the poor and you use that to kind of like jump a jumping point into pushing communism is what it is. So they did that for many years down there, but with, with Benedict stepping down and Francis showing up also from Latin America. That became the Catholic religion that was put down by JP ii, the more of a Cardinal Dolan type Pope that was put down but it was resurrected by Francis. And that is the mold that Leo is in and that's the mold that Cupich is in and that is the Bernardine. Whenever they talk about the seamless garment, the pro life is everything. As Leo mentioned at one of his castle Gandolfo outbursts the other day when he she said that Dick Durbin really was very pro life senator in many ways. Leo just wanted to visit a pro life crutch in the Vatican where there's all sorts of ribbons for the government to give things to women to help them, you know, deal deal with pregnancies. But really that, that just balloons into a lot of, a lot of Democrat programs. A lot of really creating more unwanted pregnancies by supporting them all the time. It's just an example of, of what Bernardin and Alinsky and Obama. You see, Obama was president when all this started and Obama is still behind the scenes, very powerful. They say he's moving more to New York. He's a focus of Trump and these investigations. I mean moving more to London, New York, but he's moving more to London, moving perhaps out of Washington. But it just makes me think of how important he was and, and how, how integral he may be to this new modern church. It's all really kind of goes together, the same kind of thing.

[C]

So just give me a yes or no answer to this one then, Frank. So your analysis then, your reading of the situation of this appointment is very much confirms the thesis that we've been promoting on the show since the day he emerged on the Cardinal Provost, emerged on the Loggia Elected Hope then that this is that someone who's more intelligent, more subtle, but absolutely a full, a fully signed up member of the Bergogian revolution. This is the kind of appointment you would expect from Leo, right? Being more subtle, more intelligent, bedding down on the revolutionary principles that Bed Golia was trying to subvert the church with.

[B]

But I, I like Leo and Cupich. He does not have a very manly Persona. He has a big boof hair. I don't see how he's going to be able to even have a personality. It's more of a slap in the face because that even though in normal life you wouldn't make a big deal out of that, but when it comes to the church and the priests, after everything they've been through, you know, people that you know, it's just reported that the, the people do not appreciate the Pope, Leo's politics, they don't support them at all. And the polls are out saying that, you know, these negative polls coming on the Catholic Church, the Church is dying and collapsing in many ways. To have a guy like this that has this effect is going to have a terrible, a terrible effect on the Church.

[C]

Frank, on the point of the polls, we're going to come back to you later on in the show because you've been picking up on Canon 212. This fantastic, I think, was a Pew Society poll, right? We'll be breaking that down in the second half of the show. So standby for that, Frank. Jenny, we're coming to you in two minutes. But first, quick word regarding one of our sponsors, Birch Gold. When inflation jumps. When you hear the national debt is over $38 trillion, do you ever think maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold where there is a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability, or just for sensible diversification? Birchgold Group believes every American should own physical gold. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. Birch Gold is the only precious metals company we at the War Room Trust, as do tens of thousands of their customers. So make right now your first time to buy gold. Text banon. That's B A N O N to 989898. That's Bannon to 989898. And if you place your order before December 23rd, you place an order of $5,000 worth or more, Birch Gold will throw in free one ounce of silver for you as part of a Christmas seasonal offering. One ounce of silver with every purchase of $5,000. And sure you've noticed that the spot price of silver is rocketing right now, Jenny, if there's one thing that English Catholics have known for many, many decades, it's that there's only one thing worse than the pill, and that's the Tablet. So when you flagged up this morning the, this article for American the Tablet, just to put the context behind the joke, the Tablet is like the establishment liberal Catholic magazine that's been undermining the Catholic faith for many, many decades, read by all the priests, all the bishops, obviously. It's like, basically, I don't know, how would you call it, the Guardians version? Probably worse than the Guardian because the Garden can actually be impartial at times. It's, it's, it's like the, it's like it's Establishment, liberal, cultural, but not believing Catholicism. And it's been going for 100 years. The tablet. So when you flagged up this article that got my interest, Jenny, the west should be less fearful of Islam, says the Pope. Our Pope went to, to the Middle east, to Turkey and, and to Lebanon to celebrate. I think the one. Well, how many years is this? 1750 years since the Nicene Creed. So you went to Nicaea, which is now present day Turkey. I think we spoke about this on the show last week. Frank, I think you flagged up the fact that the people who weren't there in this great ecumenical get together were the Russian Orthodox said by by like 98% of world orthodoxy. But he also on the same trip Leo went to Lebanon and took that as an opportunity because The Lebanon historically 50% Christian, 50% Muslim. Not anymore. Not, not remotely anymore and rather disingenuously a great representative of syncretism went out there and held up Lebanon as an example for Catholics and or Christians and Muslims to emulate. Tell us more.

[D]

Well, Ben, first I have a confession. Being somewhat of a newbie to this stuff. Yeah, I did not know that about the tablet, but also a further confession. When Leo ascended to the throne of Rome a few months ago and you and Frank and Liz came straight out of the gate critical and very skeptical of Leo, I sort of withheld judgment. I thought, well, I don't really know, maybe you know me, I'm a Pollyanna. I'm like, maybe it'll all be okay. Well this article, it goes, just goes to show always trust maga, always trust the war room. They always have the right take. This article firmly put all of that optimism that I had momentarily to bed because I have never read a more jaw dropping article in my life and that says a lot. I have also never heard a more ill timed, poorly strategized and poorly thought out public pronouncement from any public figure of any time ever. And I'm going to have to read the quote in full, so forgive me for reading from my notes, but Pope Leo told assembled journalists, like you said, coming back from a trip to Lebanon where he held a mass in Beirut, he said one of the great lessons Lebanon can teach the world is showing a land where Islam and Christianity are both respected and that there is a possibility to live together, to be friends. He went on, in Europe, fears are present, but often generated by people who may be from another country, another religion or another race. I would say that we all need to work together. And he finally said that the example of Lebanon would be important also to be heard in Europe or North America. So using Lebanon, holding Lebanon up as an example of sectarian success is genuinely the most insane thing I have ever heard. And I don't even know how I can put the words together to fully, to fully express it. I don't think I really need to disingenuous the audience.

[C]

It's disingenuous, right? You can't have that pint. You can't, as a leader of Christianity, hold that public view in good faith.

[D]

No, I mean, look, I think if this to me the best, putting the most sort of seal man argument on this, the best you could say is maybe this is a comment he would want to make in private meeting in a multi, in a, in a non denominational or a multi faith room. And you're trying to put a best foot forward in meeting a mufti or doing some sort of high level kind of kid gloves diplomacy. However, to tell the poor, bedraggled, exhausted and terrified people of Europe that they have nothing to fear from Islam. When, I mean, how many decades now have we been under attack from Islamists and under siege from large waves of sort of unvetted migrants coming from the Middle East? And, and how many years have we been subjected to storylines, Lebanon being the biggest one of all, of Hezbollah terrorism, kidnappings of missionaries, kidnappings of Western journalists? I mean, it's just been a never ending onslaught. And he's making these blithe remarks as though none of that existed. So even if it is disingenuous, it's so tone deaf that it just blows. Boggles the mind. Furthermore, this is the Christmas season, okay? And what happens in Europe during Christmas? We have these lovely Christmas markets, or as we now in the UK say, winter markets, because we don't want to offend certain of our religious neighbors here in the United Kingdom. And what, what is happening with the Christmas markets? They have become sort of fortified airport security militarized zones because of the high threat of Islamic terrorism. And this is the friendly success that we need to celebrate and open our hearts even more to when the taxpayers of Europe have been paying in multiple ways to support these new communities arriving and then been met with acts of terror by their coreligious Jenny.

[C]

Tis the season to be martyred, to adapt a popular hymn to update a popular hymn to present times. Look. So yeah, it is slammed to the.

[D]

Slaughter, according to Leo.

[C]

So you mentioned the situation that he highlighted Lebanon as an example where Christians and Muslims can work together. And citing explicitly, as you pointed out in Europe and the US and he criticized. He took the opportunity. Here's the stab in the back. He took the opportunity to criticize anti migrant activists in Europe who stoke fears of Islam, claiming instead that Muslims and Christians can, and I quote, live together to be friends. Now, I wasn't intending to take this opportunity to promote myself on geta, but I shall do because I immediately, when I saw that, I responded and I said this. Hey, hashtag notmypope. You picked a poor example. The last official census in Lebanon, which was 1932, placed Christians in a majority to Muslims at 53 to 47%. And an unofficial 2024 poll now put that at 15 to 85%. That is to say, Christianity has collapsed from 53%, is now 15 and the Muslims are. Went from the minority of 47% now to 85%. And I said, I concluded that's what let's all be friends gets you. No, thanks.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

So look, just give me, just give me one minute, Jenny. Give me one minute. What will continental Europe look like? Citing that the Christmas market strat sort of massacres that Islam is planning across continental Europe. Right. What will continental Europe look like if it followed the Lebanese route?

[D]

It would look like Lebanon, I suppose, which is not a good thing. I mean, using Lebanon as an example of successful interfaith integration is like saying you're like the tallest dwarf in midgetown. I mean, this is. There is no place in the Middle east where Christians are, you know, you know, flourishing and, you know, leading the way, democratizing and being all friendly with their, with their Muslim neighbors. That is not a reality. And it also, I might add, it's not even really a reality in Christian Europe where Christian Europeans are not treated, I mean, individually, obviously people individually get along in many, many, many cases. But seen on a macro level, Islamic action in Europe has been overwhelmingly negative. Look at the rape gangs in the United Kingdom. Look at all the terrorist attack Austrian police foiled last year, an attack on a Taylor Swift concert. Look at Axel Rudda Cabana, who is a Rwandan who stabbed to death three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance class in Liverpool. And he was motivated and had all sorts of Al Qaeda information on his computer. Like it just never ends. So honestly, you know what? Trump is right. It's peace through strains. Peaceful existence between religions can exist if the Christian nations are strong and are confident, then there are, there is, there is absolutely a place for other faiths and in those, in those nations, but it's only from a position of strength. And that is not what Europe is right now, folks.

[C]

We'll be back in two minutes after this short break. I just want to say, Jenny, you're absolutely right. There can be coexistence and that's more likely to take place if Islam remains a minority in the West.

[A]

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Of the new thing, the OH church. 13% of Americans are former Catholics, most falling away because they no longer believe that crap, are tired of the perverts and or their bad politics. Well, I thought there was this huge rebirth, a huge rejuvenation of Catholicism, particularly among the young. And this is the second Pew poll that's been out like in a week. They said it was released yesterday. So there was one a week ago. And that one also contradicted all these stories. There's a piece of the Register today. It's definite. There's a definite rise in Catholicism, particularly growing among young men. But why do these polls not reflect it?

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That there was a video that I took from a clip on on Rumble, Frank Walker, our very own Frank Walker giving part taken from his morning bulletin, 50 minute bulletin of what's everything that traditional Catholics need to be aware of. And I wanted to play that to give you a taste of the sort of things that's there. Frank, that was superb production. Look, it's not easy to do. I couldn't do a 15 minute take to camera by myself. You do it every day. 15 minute take, single shot. And it's absolutely superb. There's everything in there and folks, you can get that by going, we'll give the, we'll give the address at the end of the show. But you get that on Rumble or via the Stumbling Block website. Frank has the link to it. Absolutely superb. And many people here by now will know you as being the Catholic Matt Drudge and the Canon 212 aggregator which has all the headlines there on your 15 minute daily. You break that down, the key headlines and give a little bit of exposition. Superb. I can't tip my hat, I can't bow. I can't tip my hat and bow sufficiently to, to that. And I very, very strongly recommend all of our war room, possibly that follow this show to, to go over to Rumble and to give your video a look through and a consideration now as to the point of what you were talking about in today's video. We're going to break that down now over the next five, 10 minutes. And this is the Pew Society poll. You have the takes here. I'm reading this Straight from Canon 21 2. Thirteen percent of Americans are former Catholics, most falling away because they no longer believe that crap, are tired of the perverts and or their bad politics. Of the adults who left the Catholic faith, 14% are now Protestant, compared with only 1% of Americans raised as Protestants who are now Catholic. And the third statistic here, which I find is absolutely fascinating is that in terms of permanence, Pew found that Hindus, 82% of Hindus claim to keep their childhood religion. Muslims at 77%. Jews are on 76%, Protestants on 70%. Catholics all the way down at 57%. That's the worst out of all the major world religions in the United States. Break the poll down for us, Frank, and give us your take on really, you know, this is exactly, is it not? This is exactly the sort of thing that the institutional Catholic Church should be focused on. To have its beady cynical eyes focused on this and make its Episcopal appointments based on doing something about that, as we were just talking about earlier on the show, doesn't look as if that is particularly Leo's priority in anything other than words.

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Well, like you were talking about Leo as sort of a performance. He's the, he's like a vicar of globalism. He's over there pushing extremely unpopular positions every week and going into the Middle east saying really unpopular things. Why? Because the people that are ruling the world, the Power people that are destroying Europe, they bun him to do that. That's his job. He goes out there and you know that the real realities are seen on the ground. 300 parishes in New York City and two priests, new priests, 18 priests in formation. Even, you know, the polls say one thing, but the reality on the ground is that things are going, is, are collapsing. You know, out of Chicago, Leah gives us New York City, somebody who's going to be very unpopular, you know, and the one statistic that really struck me in this is that 13% of Americans are former Catholics. I mean, most Americans never were Catholics in the first place. I mean, that's an awful lot of Catholic former Catholics. And then of course, they never, ever talk about the difference between people who are practicing Catholics and, and people aren't. They just anybody will say, well, what are you? Well, I don't know. I'm a Catholic, you know. So they count them that this, this poll is a combination of a poll from 23 and 24 and then a recent poll they added into it. And so, you know, there may be some distinction, may be some new things happening right now. Things are a lot more different this year than they were last year. And so, you know, and people are discussing, there's one story after another which we've been discussing that shows that, that there's this. Young people are growing and the churches are getting bigger and we keep racking our brains, well, what's going to happen to them when they, they join those churches? Because everybody else is joining those churches. And these are the hard results. You know, the major results. You know, people, people become Protestants all the time, but they don't go back and become Catholics. You know, they. Other religions, Hindus and Muslims and Jews, they hold on to their religion, but the Catholics are, are the only ones that are dropping and collapsing because there's so much under the gun. Nobody, nobody becomes a religion to follow a political, a political stunt, which is what they have, a political stunt and one that's so, you know, not human, that's so, again, unnatural as men who are like, you know, like the guy that's going to take over New York. So I'm not saying that the new growth that we've been, that we've been writing about isn't true, but in the Register piece that I referred to in that, in that daily update, which happens at the end of the day here, you're over on the other side of the pond. I wish it was in the morning. And that Register piece says, no, it's definite. It's definite, definite, definite. The churches are exploding, everything's growing. We can't ignore the fact that there's a lot of propaganda out there and that there might be a push worldwide, globally, to make it look like, you know, to go along with Leo Church, that this new big growth. You know, they're even saying that this new bishop of New York is going to create this, fix all these problems. They're always saying that, you know, that's.

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Well, firstly, what you just said, we can break that down in a number of different ways, though. Jenny's saying every other week about how certain sectors of the church are growing. We hit this on the show last week, actually. I think the way of, I think the correct way of interpreting these two trends, that is a general collapse going on across the universal church, but massive uptake amongst the youth, the 18 to 24 bracket of men especially, what have you, but not exclusively the way to see that is the fact that, as you said, that most Catholics aren't Catholic anyway. They're counted as Catholic because they were baptized. And that's about the degree of affinity of practice or coherence that they have. What you have is a movement in opposite directions. You have, you know, and this wasn't the situation before the council, before the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church, they couldn't build churches fast enough. It was the council that ruined everything. So you have like the third. We're now what, the third, fourth generation post council. And people are just giving up even that notional connection to the Catholic Church. And I think that's what the polls are picking up on this 13%, you know, people, people who haven't had, who haven't had practicing Sunday at the very least, attendance at Mass for three or four generations now are simply not even bothering to identify themselves. And as Catholic that's going on on the one hand. On the other hand, you have, I think this is driven by the Holy Spirit. You have Charlie Kirk's martyrdom. You also have social media and the algorithms that are targeting young guys. And I have to, I don't like Elon Musk remotely. Bad news, bad guy. But I do have to give a sort of hat tip to what he's done since he took over at X. And I think his influence there is driving some of this revival that, that we're seeing. And that's the other trend. You have a falling away of people who were never Catholic in the first place and then a growing intensity and relationship with Christ, with the sacraments, with the church in a smaller minority but because of the intensity, they're making their presence felt and seen a lot more. But it's interesting, you know, these ought to, you know, they ought to be. If this wasn't, if this wasn't happening by design, there ought to be that red light flashing on the dashboard. Right? When they're looking at these statistics in the institutional church, in, in the chancellors, in the Vatican, you think that, you know, we really ought to be changing course here. But of course, this is, this isn't the falling away from the church isn't the book. This is the feature. Because the people who are guiding the Catholic Church aren't Catholic. They hate the Catholic Church, they hate the Catholic faith, and they hate Catholics.

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Right? You're right. It's two directions. The Church is doubling down and getting worse and giving us what these polls represent. But at the same time, there's this organic movement of Christianity, the Charlie Kirk type of Christianity that is growing and it's not big enough to be measured in the polls, nor the Catholic polls, but it's out there and it keeps popping up. You know, I saw today LifeSite News and father David Nix and John Henry Wesson giving a talk, and Father Nix said a thing that's very key to this. He says, without the truth and the courage, you're not going to bring people like evangelicals into the Church. You have to have those two things. Unless you can have that, it's not going to grow. God expects that from us. So, I mean, if you just take a look at that thing today running at LifeSite News, a little discussion between these two people in Rome, then you'll see, I think, the recipe for harnessing the actual organic growth that isn't reflected in these polls.

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It's the opposite of what no doubt. Of course it is, because they're deliberately driving the Church into the ground. This is part of the design. We'll obviously here on the War Room, keep this under our strict observation and report further news and developments. This theme as their curse, why the show exists. If you are a homeowner, you do need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever, and your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county, and boom, your home title has been transferred and out of your name. Then they take out loans using your equity, or they even sell your property. You won't know it's happened until you get the collection or foreclosure notice. So let me ask you, when was the last time you checked your home home title? If like me, the answer is never. And that's exactly why scammers, exactly what scammers are counting on. And that's why we at the War Room Trust Home title lock. Use promo code [e-mail] to make sure your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 24,7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it. So go to hometitlelock.com now use promo code Steve. That's home title lock.com promo code Steve. Jenny, you've got some interesting stories now to do with the revival that's taking place in France right now. And I'll just flag up for our non Catholic audience or even our not particularly observing Catholic audience, when we're talking about the sacrament of reconciliation, as they call it now, confession, right? That is really where the rubber hits the road in Catholic life because everyone's gangster until they have to go into that little wooden box and tell their sins to a human being. So when I see that in France there is a revival in confession, that interests me because that's, that's hardcore. Obviously Catholics, we are obliged, I think twice a year, once a year, at least once a year to go to confession. Good regular practice would go a lot more than that, like once, twice a month. But many, of course, many don't. Even amongst Catholics who go to Mass on Sunday, many, many don't go to confession. It's a difficult thing to do to sit there and, and work out what your most recent sins are that you've committed since you last went to confession and then go and tell someone else. It's a tough thing. Jenny, what's going on in France?

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Yeah, so the poll came out that said that 50%, 5 0% of weekly mass goers in France go to confession and 36% of those who attend Mass monthly take confession. So, you know, as you say, given that it is a difficult thing to do and it's definitely fallen out of fashion because the sort of, the more the, the accountability side, shall we say, of religion has faded into the background and been replaced by this happy clappy, let's love everyone, Love is love vibe. I think 50% is a really remarkable number. I think it's particularly interesting as well that it's coming from France, which not only is sort of the birthplace of secular liberal revolutionary fervor, basically communism, let's say, you know, French Revolution, the French philosophers of the mid to late 20th century, all that jazz. And, you know, it's really enshrined secularity into its government and its culture. It's very interesting that it's coming from France, of course, because France has also been the site of many terrorist attacks by Islamist actors, either lone wolf actors, like if a French priest was beheaded at an altar, if I remember correctly, a few years ago, the Bataclan attacks of 2015, all this sort of things. A driving attack in nice for a 14th of July celebration. So France is really a hotbed of ferment of all of these conflicting things. And the priest, one of the priests quoted says something very interesting. He's a canon in Paris, and he just said that a return to tradition is in the air. That was the phrase he used. He said there's been a return to traditional practices like prayer, vigils, pilgrimages. And this is my favorite part of the quote, he said, and a certain awareness of sin, which I think is a very sort of elegant way to put the sort of cataclysmic collapse of societal norms that have been inflicted upon us by, I mean, you could say largely by the Internet. But the Internet is merely a tool. It's really sort of this, this globalist blob that thinks that it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman to be a mother or a father, you can be a gestating parent, you can purchase babies, you can be any kind of infinite variety of sexual preference, and people are reacting against that. So an awareness of sin, in particular that word is extremely telling.

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I don't believe this article. No, I don't. I don't. I don't believe it. 50 of Catholics going to confession is. But I can tell you this. If that is true, there. There will be a mad. The spiritual fruits of the church of Catholics in France right now will be so great, we cannot come. We cannot, with our limited imaginations, have an idea of what that will do to transform that country. If that is true, that 50 of Catholics, that. That is literally transformative. I don't believe it. I, you know, I would applaud them. I, I would stand here, Jenny, and I would applaud them if it were 5%, 50%. Incredible.

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Look, you're always trying to rain on my parade, Ben.

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Well, you know, I, I'M just throwing my.

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Well, yeah, you're, you're more, you're more practiced in this area. But I will say this, much like what Frank and you were just talking about over that poll. This is, this is the sort of conceptual drive that is happening in all of these stories that we return to over and over again. And this just saying what you just said, in different words, it's the laity versus the hierarchy. The laity is going to revive and rebuild and they're going to detach from the hierarchy. That's what all of these stories show us. So I think that.

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A thousand percent. A thousand. Very quickly. A thousand percent. Thanks, Jenny. Very quickly. 30 seconds. I'm coming on your show tomorrow. Mention that and, and quickly do your.

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Socials so you can find me at jennyeholland.substack.com and now on YouTube at Saving Culture from Itself.

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And I will be there with you tomorrow for a whole hour.

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A whole hour. But you'll have to be posted tomorrow.

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With my usual provocations. Frank Walker. Jenny gave us a nice compliment earlier on in the show, saying we were right from the beginning, which we were. War room Canon 212. Quick shout out to Chris Jackson as well as substack. We were absolutely right. We haven't yielded canon 212. Then where do people go to keep up with your updated daily hourly algorithm?

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You can see that. Yeah, Canon 212. And you can see the update on the right hand column. And then that's canon212@twitter all spelled out. And then at Rumble and at Glory TV is the Daily Update.

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Which I cannot recommend highly enough. Absolutely. You know, if you don't listen to anything else all day to do with the Catholic Church, go there, search out Frank Walker on Rumble and watch his Daily Update, folks. That's all we've got time for back next week, thanks to Spencer at rav.

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