WarRoom Battleground EP 925: Texas Congressman Keith Self Leads The Charge Against Sharia Law; Victory In Oklahoma

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bannon's War Room – Battleground EP 925

Episode focus: Texas Rep. Keith Self leads opposition to Sharia law; grassroots activism in Texas and Oklahoma; defense of "Western civilization"; victories in local anti-Sharia efforts
Date: January 13, 2026
Host: Steve Bannon (A)
Key Guests:

• Rep. Keith Self (C, Texas's 3rd District)
• State Sen. Dusty Devers (E, Oklahoma)
• Grant Stinchfield (F, Real America’s Voice)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the perceived threat of Sharia law in Texas and across the United States, with a specific focus on grassroots political efforts to oppose its influence, including new laws and local activism. Leaders and participants discuss recent developments—such as a rezoning denial for a mosque in Oklahoma—and frame the battle as essential for the survival of American values, the Constitution, and Western civilization.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Threat: Sharia Law in America

• Opening monologue asserts that “Islamic jihadis are plotting against you,” targeting areas in Texas like Houston and North Dallas, and claims active, organized attempts to “overthrow Western civilization” ([00:08]).
• Bannon positions Texas as the focal point in a broader cultural and civilizational conflict:

  "As Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world." ([00:56] – Steve Bannon)

• The March 3 Texas ballot is highlighted as a pivotal moment for a proposed anti-Sharia law measure ([00:45], [06:03]).

2. Rep. Keith Self: Military Experience & Political Action

• Self describes his career, from service in the Middle East (Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Qatar) to Congress, underscoring deep skepticism of Sharia's compatibility with American values:

  “Sharia is anathema to that. Sharia tells you: you will submit [...] they dominate cultures that they go into gradually, and then suddenly they dominate cultures. That's what we cannot allow to happen because it is fundamentally... opposed to the U.S. Constitution and our ideas of individual rights.” ([02:19])

• Self conveys concern about growing numbers of mosques and Muslim communities in North Texas—specifically projects like Epic City (now The Meadows):

  "North Texas is now ground zero [...] Dearborn, Michigan [...] We cannot allow that to happen in North Texas." ([06:59])

• Notes the formation of a “Sharia Free America Caucus” in Congress with 24 members, indicating rising legislative interest ([05:21]).

3. Local Texas Activism: City Politics and the Meadows Development

• Discussion of the Collin County Commissioner's Court, an upcoming public hearing concerning The Meadows project, and instructions for citizen activism:

  “This is where our citizens are going to make the difference. Don’t rely on government to do this for you. Take action. Be involved.” ([08:58])

4. Oklahoma: Mosque Rezoning Battle

• News segment recaps Broken Arrow City Council’s decision to deny a rezoning request for a mosque and retail space, after contentious debate and overwhelming public opposition ([16:32]).
• Sen. Dusty Devers interprets the result as a grassroots victory and links Islam itself—not just “radical” factions—to violence and incompatibility with American life:

  “Radicalism is inherent to the religion because it springs from their holy books and the life of Muhammad, their false prophet.” ([19:50])

• Devers claims the controversy has led to Oklahomans studying Islam more closely (“Streisand effect”) and frames the dispute in terms of a broader “war on Christian civilization.”

5. Conversions from Islam to Christianity

• Devers references statistics about mass conversions from Islam to Christianity in Africa and claims the evangelical movement continues to pursue conversion efforts:

  “The gospel is [...] the only hope for all mankind. It's the word of the gospel that faith comes by hearing. And they are seeing mass conversions.” ([32:41])

• Bannon and Devers emphasize evangelization as going “on offense” after defensive victories.

6. The Texas Identity & Political Battleground

• Grant Stinchfield shares his personal journey from New York to Texas, describing Texas’s unique “can do spirit” and the resolve to defend traditional values ([37:32]):

  “If they plant a flag in Texas of all states, well, then they've virtually won America.” “This is where we defend America. This is where we defend the heartland, the founder's vision for this great country of ours.” ([41:52])

• Discussion of Soros/indivisible/CAIR funding, Texas’s role as the “prize” for progressives and Muslims, and the Red-Green alliance (left-wing and Islamic groups) ([42:32]).
• Concerns over influence in universities and school boards, and calls to maintain vigilance ([43:43]).

7. Youth and Future Political Trends

• Stinchfield notes that even minority, inner-city youth in Dallas are turning toward Trump/MAGA, suggesting hope for future conservative victories ([43:43]).

  “We've got kids now in inner city schools in Texas that are totally awake... and they're laughing at them and sharing memes, and it's great [...] really giving me hope that the future for this state and America is very bright.” ([44:44])

8. Calls to Action

• Bannon and guests repeatedly urge listeners to participate in local hearings, stay engaged at all levels, and vote in Texas’s March 3rd primary—which includes a measure to ban Sharia law ([47:04]).
• Final warnings emphasize the risk of complacency and the need for sustained activism:

  “Don’t get lackadaisical [...] they are coming for this state like you wouldn't believe.” ([48:41] – Grant Stinchfield)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Bannon:

  • “As Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world.” ([00:56])
  • “This fight is the fight that we have to win. We must win. They’ve targeted this great state.” ([50:18])

• Rep. Keith Self:

  • “Sharia is anathema to that. Sharia tells you: you will submit to Sharia law...So…they intend to dominate, and they dominate cultures that they go into gradually, and then suddenly…” ([02:19])
  • “North Texas is now ground zero...Dearborn, Michigan has been overtaken. We cannot allow that to happen in North Texas.” ([06:59])

• Sen. Dusty Devers:

  • “Radicalism is inherent to the religion because it springs from their holy books and the life of Muhammad, their false prophet.” ([19:50])
  • “Oklahomans are finding out […] this is not radical Islam, it’s Islam.” ([19:50])
  • “The gospel...is the only hope for all mankind. It’s the word of the gospel that faith comes by hearing. And they are seeing mass conversions.” ([32:41])

• Grant Stinchfield:

  • “If they plant a flag in Texas of all states, well, then they've virtually won America.” ([41:52])
  • “We are fighters in this state. And I wish other states would look at Texas, take the Texas model and mimic it…” ([38:49])

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Sharia Law as a Threat to U.S. Constitution: ([02:19] – [03:11])
• Rep. Self on Local Activism and the Meadows/Epic City project: ([06:03] – [09:58])
• Broken Arrow Mosque Rezoning Coverage: ([16:32] – [18:09])
• Sen. Devers on Islam history and conversions: ([19:24] – [24:32]), ([32:41])
• Texas as the Strategic Battleground: ([37:32] – [43:43])
• Calls to Action for Voters/Activists: ([47:04] – [49:30])

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Resources & Follow-up

• Rep. Keith Self:

  • Website: keithself.house.gov
  • Social media: @RepKEITHSelf

• Sen. Dusty Devers:

  • X (Twitter): @DustyDevers
  • Website: devers2023.com

• Grant Stinchfield:

  • Social: @stinchfield1776
  • Website: grantstinchfield.com
  • Show: Real America’s Voice, 7pm Eastern

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Tone & Language

• The episode uses urgent, militant language, describing a civilizational conflict and repeatedly invoking religious, patriotic, and cultural imperatives.
• Speakers frequently tie current disputes to broader historical narratives, referencing the Crusades, American military history, and the defense of Western civilization.
• There is emphasis on individual agency, local activism, and direct participant involvement.

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This summary provides a comprehensive overview of the arguments, activism, and calls to action discussed in the episode, preserving key quotes and the original tone for easy understanding by those who have not listened.

Transcript

[A]

Islamic jihadis are plotting against you. Why in the hell you think they're in Houston? In the north of Dallas. They are working together to overthrow Western civilization. Sharia compounds which are areas governed by religious rules. We know who you are, we know what you are, and we know what you're trying to accomplish. And it is not going to happen. In the jewel of the crown of the union of this republic, we purge any attempt to impose Sharia law in Texas. They are not coming. They are already here. You are not here properly and you're going to leave.

[B]

On 3 March, Sharia law goes on.

[A]

The ballot in the state of Texas.

[C]

The United States Constitution and Sharia are fundamentally at odds with one another.

[A]

We're going to tell them, take your Sharia law and shove it. Islam will never dominate the United States, and by the grace of God, it will not dominate Texas. As Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state? Are you prepared to fight for your country? War Room, Texas. Your host, Stephen K. Bannon starts right now. It's Tuesday the 13th of January in the year of our Lord 2026. Welcome to War Room, Texas. I want to start off with Colonel Keefe Self, Texas 3. Sir, you're in McKinney, and I think it's just north of Plano, Is that correct, your district?

[C]

Yeah, that's right. It extends from McKinney all the way over to Commerce. So we've got the bulk of Collin and Hunt counties.

[A]

Sir, a couple of things.

[B]

You're in our.

[A]

You're in our opening clip. We taken a clip of you on the House floor. Why is Sharia law. You went in the well of the house of the most powerful legislative body in world history and said that Sharia law is incompatible with the Constitution of the United States of America, a Constitution that you swore to defend as an officer in the United States military. Why is it incompatible in your mind?

[C]

Because our very foundation of our ideas of government, which are codified in the US Constitution or the individual freedom, is individual rights as declared in the. In the Bill of Rights. So we believe in the individual, the collective ideas of every individual. The matters of conscience belong to individuals, not to government. Sharia is anathema to that. Sharia tells you you will submit to Sharia law, most people say, but it's a complete culture. It's a complete civilization that you will submit to. So. And they intend to dominate, and they dominate cultures that they go into gradually, and then suddenly they dominate cultures that's what we cannot allow to happen because it is fundamentally anathema opposed to the US Constitution and our ideas of individual rights.

[A]

Colonel, you've got a lot of experience in this as a military officer defending this republic. You were in Iraq and Afghanistan. Talk to us about your journey as a military officer. And also, what did you learn about societies and cultures that are are driven by Sharia law?

[C]

Well, it goes further than just Afghanistan and Iraq. I was in the embassy in Cairo, Egypt, in the days where women walking around Cairo, very few had on burkas, the hajib. And then I was stationed or I worked with the IDF in the conflict between Israel and the proxies surrounding it. Then I was in Afghanistan with a J5 of the Central Command in the early days when the ground command was still in a tent. Even in those early days, it was obvious that Afghanistan was a matter of tribes, it was not a society. And it was ruled by Sharia, very strict Sharia. In fact, when I was in the Pentagon, I was trying to deal with the stingers that we had given the Mujahideen. So my experience in the Middle east is longer than just those few years. And then in Iraq, I was actually in Qatar, the country of Qatar, which is basically a family owned business by the Al Thani family who have a tremendous amount of natural gas. But it is totally. Most of the workers there are not even Qatari. So. And you know, Steve, what they're doing to our institutions of higher learning here in the United States, they're funding Sharia indoctrination. So yeah, my history in the Middle east goes a long way.

[A]

When you got to the House, I mean, because most of, most of the folks in the House have not had that experience. How do you try, given your depth of experience over decades, how have you. The interaction between you and other members of the House, do they understand what's going on? Are they trying to learn what's going on or are they treating you like some. Okay, this guy's obsessed because he's been deployed over there and associated with this for years or so. He's a little obsessed because he's seen it too, up close and personal. But that can't happen in the United States, so no need to really deal with it.

[C]

Well, I'm encouraged, Steve, because just before we broke for the Christmas break, Chip Roy and I started the Sharia Free America Caucus. We now have 24 members and basically we've just started to advertise it. So we're encouraged with the growth there. There are actually seven Bills that have been introduced that deal with some sort of Sharia in various aspects. So I'm actually encouraged that people are starting to realize this will be an issue in the 2026 election. Certainly in Texas, it's actually on the primary ballot. So this is going to be a big deal. And I think people are starting to wake up to that fact.

[A]

Now I want to tell the story that the reason we have War Room Texas, the reason we had this great conference the other day, this big focus on the March 3 ballot on Sharia, I was in a, in a conference room with Colonel Self and many others a couple of months ago. I guess this is now three, four months ago. And we're talking about this is right after the redistricting fight of where the conservative movement goes next. And Colonel south goes, hey, I think you guys better wake up because there's a massive shria problem in the state of Texas and unless this is dealt with, nothing else is going to matter. Walk me through that. What was it that made you say in front of that group which really changed everybody's direction of thinking and say, hey, this other stuff is important but I go in the back, Berner, till we take care of this. Is the fact that you are a congressman from near Plano or what was it to say that you said, hey, this has to be dealt with and it has to be dealt with now. Dealt with now in this state because.

[C]

I know the history of the nations that Sharia has overtaken. When you look at the traditional dress of many of the east Middle Eastern nations, it's not the, the very austere dress of the women, for instance, under Sharia, it's very traditional dress of the Middle East. But when Sharia conquers you, women become second class citizens. They now require everybody to submit. So it's knowing history in the nations and frankly, I serve in North Texas, Steve, as you know. And North Texas is now ground zero. Look, Dearborn, Michigan is been overtaken. We cannot allow that to happen in North Texas. Epic City now renamed the Meadows. In my district, as a matter of fact, they plan a huge Muslim community. But it's the numbers of mosques that have been sprouting up around North Texas. So I mean I have a vested interest in this because this is my district, this is my area, this is my territory in Texas that we have got to make people aware. Look, the Meadows is ready to go to the commissioner's court. I call on people to get to when the commissioner's court calls the meeting on this, they need to go and, and voice their opinion, much as one of my constituents, Jessica Hulsey, did. And before the Josephine City Council, she did a wonderful job standing up and. And talking about the dangers of Sharia.

[A]

Talk to us, the commissioner's court. Talk to us about what it is. Do we have a time when it's going to be and what should people do to go represent this? Because this whole show is about empowering people for their individual agency so they can get involved in this fight. Talk. What is the commissioner's court and how developed. I thought we had a. I thought actually passed a law in Texas that said no Epic City. But then I heard that the last paragraph of it was said no Epic cities in the future except Epic City. Now, is that true? And what's the commissioner's court and how do people get involved?

[C]

That's basically true about that law. It does not do enough to ban Sharia. So the commissioner's court is the governing body of a county. Look, Collin county has over a million people in it now, so they have not yet called. I think yesterday or today they will have set a date. I don't know the date that they set, but there will be a public hearing, a very public hearing. I know that the county judge plans to hold it in a larger venue rather than the commissioner's court because he expects a lot of people to be there. And I encourage people to find out about when the Collin County Commissioner's court has called this public hearing on Sharia on the Meadows. Go sign up. Make your statement. This is where our citizens are going to make the difference. Don't rely on government to do this for you. Take action. Be involved. Speak your piece. Make sure the commissioner's court hears from as many citizens as possible in Collin County.

[A]

Can you just spend a second and talk to us about Plano? Because I'm hearing all kind of stories that Plano, they focus and targeted Plano. They are trying to make Plano the new Dearborn. Can you walk us through what's happening in Plano?

[C]

Well, Plano has had actually the first Epic East Plano Islamic center for a long time. It's been there. But what they're doing is we understand that they are moving people in. We've seen videos of people in foreign countries saying, come to North Texas. This is where we are going to make ground zero. So Plano has been the center of action for a while. You may remember decades ago or years ago, Irving, and that's when Beth Van Dyne was the mayor there. They had the same issue. So they've moved to Plano. I think that they have made Plano, Collin county with this new epic city, the Meadows, ground zero in North Texas. But make no mistake about it, this is this is meant to be a slow takeover, moving people in, starting mosque, starting Epic City, the Meadows, if they can. And then they will start demanding. And here's the difference, because some people, Steve, are going to say it's a religion. Well, it's it's a civilization, it's a law with a patina of religion. Because make no mistake about it, when they reach the tipping point, they will then start demanding obedience to Sharia by everyone. We've seen the videos of the imam down in Houston demanding people not sell items that are voided by Islam. We've seen we had an imam call the police on another Muslim who was talking to a Christian pastor on the sidewalk, on a public sidewalk. So this is the start of it. This is how it starts, very subtly, very slowly, but then as they come in and they take over look, they're trying to take over city council now. That's how they start. They get elected to the lower positions and all of a sudden they are taking control.

[A]

Colonel Self, where do people find out more about you and where they find out more about if you can point them in the direction of how you learned so much about and what you learned about Sharia law and really Islamic civilization, because this is civilizational jihad. This is not about a religion. This is about a new political order that's coming in and it's coming in from the most failed part of the world, right? It's coming in from places like the Islamic Republic of Iran, which is a complete and total disaster. You see this every day on the network news, right? It's coming in from Iraq, another total disaster. It's coming in from Afghanistan, another total disaster. It's coming in from Qatar, which I think is a complete, total disaster. And the rail head of the financing of the Muslim Brotherhood coming in places like Saudi Arabia, which is, I think, another failed monarchy. So where do they go to find out more about you? Social media, everything you're doing in Congress for the with Chip Roy on the caucus, on the America Sharia Free Caucus and everything you're doing in your beloved Texas.

[C]

Well, they can find me whatever the format is. Rep. KEITH Self Rep. KEITH self, Whatever the format for the particular platform is. They can go to my website, keyself.house.gov to sign up for my newsletter because we're going to continue to educate the people what's happening in our district. So if you want to know what we're putting out to our constituents. Keithself.house.gov Sign up for the newsletter. We'd be happy to add you to the list.

[A]

Colonel, thank you so much. Thank you for the inspiration to do this. Clearly, your decades in the military, it's fantastic. You're defending the country. We appreciate all of it, sir.

[C]

Thank you. Steve.

[A]

No, I asked for a show of hands the other day about the veterans that came to this conference post Vietnam, post Korea, post Vietnam. Every veteran, I think every veteran there that's been a veteran about their time in the Middle East. It's all been the Middle East. Yes, you have had some of the Balkans, et cetera. Even the Balkans was about Islam. It's all for since 1979, 1980. When I was on that destroyer in the North Arabian Sea. We were supposed to be in a Western Pacific deployment. We got called over there because of the situation with our embassy. But the Shah had fallen, I think about a year before. And very much what you see happening in the streets today, that's what was happening back in 1979 when the Shah fell. And to know that the Shah son is putting himself up as an alternative. Hey, let me tell you, if you study the history of Iran and Persia, there are no beauties, not like they were doing a lot for the people. That thing was a total and complete disaster. But my point is that we have been sucked into that area of the world for decade after decade after decade. And if you look at the oil, just take the Gulf of America. If you look at from Guyana to Venezuela to the Gulf of America to Mexico itself to Texas, we got more oil and natural gas, 10x what the rest of the world has. And I'm not counting even Alaska, and I'm not counting North Dakota, and I'm not counting the Saudi Arabia of natural gas, which happens to be the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. So we don't need to be involved in it anymore. The Middle east is a sideshow. The Israel piece is a sideshow to a sideshow. This is why I'm big on Israeli independence, stepping up. And you see now that even NETanyahu is saying 10 years, they want to wean themselves off American underwriting of part of their military. But I've got many more people that are, from Laura Loomer to Rabbi Wielicki that are saying they ought to do it quicker. But it's just the whole Middle east, we just don't need it anymore. It sucked America dry for decade after decade after decades. One of the things that surprised me, and maybe it shouldn't have about the conference, we've had about 100 leaders, political leaders, grassroots leaders that were there before those amazing speeches of Glenn Beck and Geert Wilders and just incredible, incredible energy. In fact, our own Grant Stinchfield was there. He was amazing, emceed the whole thing. He's going to join us here momentarily. There was a delegation from Oklahoma, both House members and members of the Senate. Dusty Devers joins us. I tell you what, do we have a clip first? I can play, Let me play the clip and then I want to bring in the state senator, a state senator from the great state of Oklahoma, Dusty Devers. Let's go ahead and play the clip.

[D]

Okadero City Council just moments ago denied a rezoning request for a new mosque and retail space along Olive and the Creek Turnpike. Thanks for joining us tonight. I'm Laurie Fulbright.

[C]

And I'm Craig day. News On 6's Chloe Abbott is live with more on the council's decision.

[A]

Chloe.

[D]

Craig and Laurie. The City council says the proposal did not meet the standards for the land use it's asking to rezone. The meeting turned contentious towards the end and one city councilor called for public comment to end. Some people started yelling and had to be removed from the room and many left on their own. After a nearly four hour meeting, the city council voted 4 to 1 to deny the rezoning request. One counselor said this isn't about freedom of religion, but about the facts. That counselor said the project isn't acceptable for the current land use at Olive in the Creek Turnpike. Earlier in the meeting, the architect behind the proposal assured the council their plan followed all of the proper requirements and regulations. The Islamic Society of Tulsa said it needed a second location other than the mosque in Midtown Tulsa because of overcrowding issues and half of its members already live in BA. An estimated 1300 people showed up to this meeting tonight. 440 people signed up to speak, but city council said they were allowed to stop the meeting when they felt like they had enough information to make a decision. And council again voted to deny this request 4 to 1. And we will be hearing from the Islamic Society of Tulsa on what their next move is.

[A]

Senator Devers from Oklahoma. First of all, thank you guys for bringing such a large contingent down to the conference. I know it was worth your time. I was shocked by spending some time with you all about what's going on in Oklahoma, but man, the Patriots took a real stand the other day. Can you walk us through the entire thing.

[E]

Yeah, I'm happy to. And man, it's an amazing thing to see the grassroots and the folks in Broken Arrow and northern northeast Oklahoma really stood up yesterday. Can Arrow City council, like you heard in that clip, voted 4 to 1 against the rezoning request for a proposed Islamic center, really a mosque. More than 1300 people showed up and all, almost all of them were in opposition to the mosque. You know, on the other side, the Democrats rallied their base in support of Islam just like they've done in places like Minnesota and New York. And those Democrats want to bring immigrants from a third world country that's fallen and promise to pay for everything and integrate them into the Democrat coalition. But the council said the proposal didn't meet the standards, the zoning standards for the land that it's being asked to rezone. So it was voted down on procedural grounds.

[A]

It's voted down on procedural grounds. But what are the folks and good folks in Oklahoma? I mean, Oklahoma is one of the backbones of this country. The hard working folks there, they've been through tough times back in the, in the Dust bowl, the Great Depression. They've been some of the greatest patriots in defending this country. Serving the military on battlefields all over the world. Their children and grandchildren that are now there today as citizens. What do they think about this entire thing?

[E]

Well, I think what, what the reality is is what this has caused is a Streisand effect. Now more people are really studying Islam and it's in its past and its history. You know, I, I have a master's of divinity with languages Greek and Hebrew, studied Islam, have been over to the Turkish, well, to Turkey and preach the gospel there and traveled around. So I think this is a radical reawakening for the citizens of Oklahoma. I'm glad that this, this Islamic center was voted down for procedural reasons. But the fact is conservatives in America, America need to win the broader argument against, against Islam. And what Oklahomans are finding out is this is not radical Islam, it's Islam. Radicalism is inherent to the religion because it springs from their holy books and the life of Muhammad, their false prop prophet. And when we see a professing Christian commit heinous acts of violence, and that sometimes does happen, unfortunately, we question whether he's a real Christian because he's not obeying and following Jesus Christ in scripture. But when we see a Muslim commit heinous acts like mass murder and bombings and child sex abuse and marrying nine year olds and female genital mutilation and honor killings, we can point directly to the Quran and to the life of Muhammad and say, well, that Muslim is faithfully following the example of Muhammad. And here, even here in Oklahoma, two Afghani immigrants were just sentenced to prison for plotting an ISIS inspired terrorist attack on election day in 2024. And that is what Islam has always done. Islam is not merely a religion like so many people say, but it's a military conquest, conquest and terrorism driven civilization that is particularly at war with Christian civilization from the beginning. And unfortunately so many in our media class want to whitewash ISL as a peaceful religion. And I think this is so important what you're doing here on, on your program and setting up War Room Texas because we need to understand the backgrounds of Islam. Within 50 years of the found of their founding, Muslims had already conquered the Middle east and began driving offensive wars against Constantinople, one of Christian civilization's most important cities.

[A]

Yeah, this is why we're going to have you on as a regular because of your knowledge. We got to get that knowledge out 50 years. And it wasn't just it came out of the desert. I mean it came out of the Bedouin society, but they had taken.

[B]

The.

[A]

Great civil ancient civilizations of. I'm going to throw out some random Egypt, Babylon, Syria, in fact Christian Syria, Persia, the Persians and eventually North Africa. And as I mentioned to people I say hey look, when they took North Africa, North Africa is where St. Augustine was from, the City of God, some of the greatest of the church fathers and really the beginnings of Christianity outside of Rome as a desert religion that was all overwhelmed in about 50 or 60 years, was it not Senator?

[E]

That's very true. And you've got great figures, Christian figures like Augustine and the desert fathers who were all there. And you really need to read the Sword and the Scimitar and Defenders of the west to understand how Christianity was in a long waged war against Islam taking over Western civilization and the heart of where Christianity really began.

[A]

Now I want to talk to our audience and notice I did not, I did not talk to Senator Devers before that. But that's Raymond Abraham's those two great books. And he's got the new one, I think Two Swords of Christ about the military orders, the third in that series, Raymond Abraham's books are absolutely fantastic. So Senator, when you're there as a senator and not as a pastor or preacher and you're talking to other people because Oklahoma is a Christian state, but obviously got a huge secular component to it, when you start talking to them about your knowledge and about really that Islam's more of a political and military ideology, conquering ideology. Did they look at you like you got two heads? I mean, is there any understanding so far? Because we've been in this war since 9, 11, you know, we've lost 10,000 troops, 50,000 wounded, another 5 or 6,000 contractors, which are just basically Navy SEALs and commandos that are off the balance sheet. Special operators. We spent $9 trillion. There's $9 trillion of that, 38 trillion, 9 trillions associated with this war. Is there any understanding among people about how serious this is and quite frankly, how late in the game that were coming to this?

[E]

I think it's a.

[A]

Both.

[E]

And, and here's the reality on the ground in Oklahoma. There are so many Christians here in our state, we have over 500,000 Southern Baptists that are members of Southern Baptist churches. And that's, that's good. And I mean, I'm glad that there's that many Christians. But whenever it comes to understanding Islam, you've got some who have gone on mission trips to these various Middle Eastern countries and, and have studied Islam. And you have others who have the media propaganda and they're just receiving what they've got. So there's a lot of misunderstanding. There's some who understand, but we're, we're finally waking up to this ancient threat. One of the things that I do talk about with them has been very effective is that in 2004, the FBI raided the home of an Islamic terrorist and they uncovered the Muslim Brotherhood's 1991 explanatory memorandum that laid out their plan to wage, in their words, quote, a kind of grand jihad in eliminating destroying Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands.

[A]

Senator, can you hang over a second? I got Grant Stitcher on the other side, but I want to spend a minute or two with you because you mentioned my favorite word, conversions. Is there a possibility of converting Muslims to Christianity? We're taking a short commercial break. We're here in War Room Texas. We're going to leave you with music from the Searchers. Grant Stinchfield from Real America's Voice is going to join us. And Senator Dusty Deaver is going to stick around. Short break.

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Grant Stinsfield is going to join us in a moment. Of course, he emceed this great event the other night with Geert Wilders from the Netherlands and Glenn Beck, myself and others. Grant, it was just incredible. And we had a contingent from Oklahoma earlier in the day at this Kind of Leaders conference of politicians and grassroots leaders. Senator Dusty Devers from the great state of Oklahoma was there. Senator, so you've given us folks with your pastor hat and your theological training. What is the story on conversions? It's something I hear very little about. Is there? I mean, I thought particularly the Evangelical church, the Catholics have kind of folded on this and I'm a Catholic. They used to do it all the time, but not so much anymore. But the Evangelical Church, one of their missions for the evangelicals I thought was evangelizing. And are we actually, is there an active program out there to convert Muslims to the faith of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?

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Absolutely. You know, Sheikh Ahmad Al Kahtani, who's a prominent Muslim leader, stated in a televised interview on Al Jazeera in 2001 that far back that every hour 667 Muslims convert to Christianity which adds up to about 16,000 per day, or approximately 6 million per year in Africa alone. And while the numbers have been debated and al Qahtani, you know, he may have been overstating his case, no one can deny the broader trend of conversions from Islam to Christianity. I've heard stories from friends who are missionaries in the Middle east, and they say that there are, they are the. They. They're seeing them the most receptive to the gospel that they've ever seen them. And that's the reality. The gospel is the. The story of the good news of Jesus Christ saving sinners and reconciling them to God, no matter how wicked they are, is the only hope for all mankind. It's the hope for me. It's a hope for you. It's a hope for everyone. And God's word is powerful to change hearts and redeem souls. It's the word, word of the gospel that faith comes by hearing. And they are seeing mass conversions.

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I will tell you, it's now is like I said, to stop it on March 3rd, you got to stop Sharia law. And then you stop it and then you got to roll it back. When we go on offense, you got to go on offense with the word of God. The conversions to Christianity is absolutely at the top of the plate. And I don't think people talk about it enough on this show. We're going to do it. Senator Dusty Devers, Oklahoma. Where are your coordinates? People are going to want to learn more about you, more about your work and more about the fight in Oklahoma. Where they go. Sir.

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Yeah, you can find me on X at Dusty Devers. You can find my [e-mail] I'm running for a reelection. The primary is up in June. I'd sure appreciate anyone helping with my campaign. I have my Senate page where I drop press releases there. But if you would like reach out to me, you can go through X or go through my website. I'd certainly appreciate it.

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Yeah, Senator Devers wants to hear from you. So take it. We know the Worm posse loves making personal contact, so go do it, Senator.

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Thank you.

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And we're looking forward. We're going to. You're going to help us get some of the folks in Broken Arrow. An historic stand at the local level. And it was amazing. Four hours long, 1300 people, virtually all of them in opposition. 440 citizens said, Give me the mic. They can only see some, but they shot it down. And that's going on offense. That's what we need. Senator, thank You. And thank the folks in Oklahoma for that. Appreciate you.

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Thank you, Steve. Thank you.

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Grant. You told part of a story. Then I want to get this, that you're actually in New York City from the Tri State area, but you're a transplant. You're more Texan than a lot of Texans. What's your journey? How did you get there? And I know you love this state, so I want to hear all about it.

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Well, I was talking about you is how it came up, Steve, as I was introducing you. And I don't like to tell people I'm from New York, what a disaster my home state has become. I've lived in Texas for 25 years. I consider this my. My home state. I'm half Italian. My mom's maiden name is Minervini. Construction business in New York City. I've had family members that had some issues with the law along the way. My great grandfather. I didn't tell this story, Steve, but my great grandfather said that there's no such thing as the Mafia. It's only the federal government persecuting successful Italian Americans and anybody that had trouble with the law. And my family. And I mean this in a very odd way, but, Steve, you reminded me of them. When you went through your issues and served your time. They never once complained. They came out. They never made their wives worry about them. They never made their kids worry about them. And they came out even more old. And these were great family men.

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And.

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And we don't need to go into the history of all of it. But, Steve, that's what. That's what I saw in you. And when you came out and you fired back at everybody, I thought to myself, that is my kind of guy right there. And you always were. But. But, boy, oh, boy, just a salute to you, my friend, for the way you handled all of that.

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Well, and. And as you know, Danbury is the federal prison outside of New Jersey. Danbury up in Connecticut, it has a. Has one or two Italians there. And I will tell you, men of respect, they got their own code.

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They got their own code.

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And I'm telling you, they don't want to hear any whining, right? And so Danbury is a tough place, but they are very special people. Tell us about how you got to Texas. And you've really. I mean, you are a Texan, right? You're not born and bred, but you're a Texan. You've fallen in love with the place. You've made it home. Talk to me about that.

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Let me tell you something. There is A spirit about this state that I don't see in any other state. I mean, Florida, you can make an argument, but Florida isn't the same. There's a lot of transplants in Florida. When you talk about Texas and born and bred Texans here, and then I think something comes over people like me that come and live here for a decade or more, two decades in my case, that this can do spirit, the come and take it mentality, that that was a saying that goes a long way back to the Mexican American war. The Mexican Mexicans had given a little town in Texas a cannon. Mexicans wanted it back. And that little town said, come and take it. And you see it on those flags. And that kind of spirit still exists. And we saw that in that event, Steve, that you fired up that crowd like you wouldn't believe. And I know you fire up crowds all over the place, but that's especially. It's going to happen in Texas because we are fighters in this state. And I wish other states would look at Texas, take the Texas model and mimic it, because if the entire country was, was and had the attitude the Texans have, we would be a far greater country than we already are.

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You know, I, I said this in the, in the talk, and I mean this in spending time, is that, you know, as a Virginian, you're raised that the virgin Virginia is the mother of presidents. And Virginia is so special and it is. But the encroachment of the federal government in Northern Virginia has really taken Virginia what it used to be and just radically changes. So there are parts of the commonwealth that you have that spirit. But I've got so many buddies and so many friends down in Texas, there's something different. I knew Grant, this was about a decade or so ago because I launched Breitbart Texas at Breitbart. It's one of the things I did. London, Rome, Jerusalem, Breitbart Texas, because of the issues down in the Rio Grande Valley. And we started with Brandon Darby and the team at Breitbart, but as I spent time down there and launching that, I realized, particularly my friends, a lot of these guys had gone to Ivy League schools, right? And I noticed in their children that they were turning down as legacies to get into Ivy League schools to go to the University of Texas. And the parents agreed with that. They go, no, no, no, they don't need to leave state. They're going to go to University of Texas or Texas A and M. And I'm going, hang on, they're getting into Harvard and Dartmouth And Princeton, and they're staying in Texas. There was a shift in mentality that this place loves its traditions and loves its history, and they're not going to let that change. Unlike in the Commonwealth, Virginia and even New York City, we've kind of let it go.

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Right.

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And the place, they're special, but they're not as special as they used to be. And Texas has embraced that, has it not? It has.

[F]

And that's why you look at the audacity of Islam. So I know you've been talking about this event where you spoke on, on Friday. That was basically an event to raise awareness of this invasion that's going on in Texas and to push back against it. This is how brazen these Muslims are that they're going to come into Texas and they think that's where they're going to make Epic City, and that's where they're going to grow. And they know that if they plant a flag in Texas of all states, well, then they virtually won America. Now, you know, Steve, I know. I think most of the people watching here, they're going to have a battle on their hands if they think they're just going to come in here, waltz over and take over Texas, take over our school boards. And they do it quietly. And this has been going on for a while. They're getting louder and louder now. And I sounded the alarm that says, hey, believe them when they tell you they are trying to make America a Muslim nation, trying to make Texas a Muslim state. Believe them when they tell you your kids are going to be going to a Muslim school. Don't take that as anything less than that is their mission. But in this state, they know that if they were to capture Texas, just as the Democrats know that if they were to capture Texas, I believe, and I know it sounds sensationalistic, but I believe the. The entire country falls. Which is why we as Texans take it squarely on our shoulders that this is where we defend America. This is where we defend the heartland. This is where we defend the founder's vision for this great country of ours.

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No, the great tabloid in New York City, the New York Post, had an investigation the other day, and they said in this red green alliance in Minnesota that they had gotten back of the financing of it. And besides, the US Government's involved and the state and US Government are involved in spreading Islam in Texas. But what they had said is that Soros, through indivisible and care, were the two funders of the red green of the Marxist jihadist takeover that you've seen in New York City and you see it on the streets of Minneapolis. Well, what did Texas do over the last, what is five or six or seven years? Soros put in $380 million to turn Texas blue.

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Remember that?

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We went through that whole thing. And finally with Fight Back with grassroots and people, President Trump won by, I think, 14 points and Ted Cruz won by 11 or 12. So we beat that back. The situation, though, is this is why the governor designated the Muslim Brotherhood and Charis terrorist organizations. That's a first. That's before Trump did it at the federal level and right before Ron DeSantis did it at the, at the state level in Florida, because they got a problem too. So they're coming. You now know, sophisticated people realize this Red Green alliance is working together. Their target's always been Texas. As I said the other day, when I go around the world and I've gone around as a naval officer in business with Goldman Sachs, my own firm, there's two kind of brands out there. When you're in the United States, it's Harvard because everybody wants their kid to go there. And it's Texas from the movies in the Myths of the West. And everybody wants, I don't care if you're in China, you got guys wearing cowboy hats in the big buckles in the cowboy boots. Texas is the target grant because they understand if they can take Texas, the rest of the United States just falls. So it's more important to them even than New York City and Chicago and Los Angeles and Portland and Seattle. Sir.

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Well, you see that in their effort to take over our universities here, you mentioned Texas A and M, Texas Tech, and boy, they're pretty darn close to taking over the University of Texas. Texas and Austin, which is a great university, but it's just a bastion of liberalism right now. The legislature here, we have some issues. We've got some real, I don't even call them rhinos. They're basically Democrats that wear a Republican are next to them. But, but they have infiltrated into the state legislature. So Texas does have some problems, though I will say the legislature has tried to get our universities under control because if they take the universities, we know the next thing to fall, you start pushing 18, 19 year olds through these universities, Texas crumbles. I just want to make sure kids like my son, he's 16 years old, he's totally awake, he knows how dopey these Democrats are. He laughs at them. And he goes to an inner city Dallas school. Steve and I want to tell you and Everybody else out there, if you want some hope for America, My son goes to an inner city Dallas school. He's got Hispanic friends, he's got black friends that love Trump and are laughing at what these Democrats are doing. And I'm like, really? Your buddy so and so. And this buddy, they're loud, they're sharing memes, they're doing all these things. They're awake, too. And these are minorities in the middle of Dallas. Now, their parents aren't. Their parents are sometimes beside themselves on this thing. But we've got kids now in inner city schools in Texas that are totally awake to just how ridiculous the Democrats are coming off now. And they're laughing at them and sharing memes, and it's great that little kids are doing it, but it's bigger than just being great. It really is giving me hope that the future for this state and America is very bright.

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Talk to me about your son and his friends, Hispanic and black and white, working class and middle class. What do they see in Trump? What draws them to Trump and therefore draws them to maga? What is it that draws these young men, particularly in the stages of 15, 16, 17 years old? Why are they drawn to Trump?

[F]

You know, honestly. So if you're 16 years old, your humor maturity is probably a little lower. They find him hilarious. They find Trump hilarious, and they find what he does and what he says hilarious, and that he's not afraid to make fun of himself or that he will dance on stage. And, you know, I love the Trump dance like anybody does, but, you know, as Melania says, you don't look so great, but you do look great because you're literally recruiting these young people in. And I think the straight talk is something they've never heard from anybody else before. And then once they start to get into it, they realize, what are these other people doing on the side? I mean, I can't tell you how many friends will come through the living room or. Or the kitchen as my. My son has friends over, and they're like, you know, did you see so and so who said something about a transgender? Like, we would kick their ass in basketball, you know, if. If we had all men playing against. Against women and. And those kinds of things. So, you know, I think, though, to answer your question, I think it's Trump, that he's as down to earth as he is, and he's as funny as it is, that that really recruited them. And to be honest.

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What do you think? We got a couple minutes left. You've got a very powerful show On Rav. And I want to thank Rob Park, Rob Sig and Parker Sig for helping to push and launch a war in Texas. What is your warning to folks in Texas? What's your warning and what are the two or three things you need to have done? We have a primary on the 3rd of March. This, this show's got periodicity. We intend to go through three, four, maybe five March to really focus on this primary, particularly on the ballot initiative, Proposition 10, I think it is, to ban Sharia law in the state of Texas. What is your warning to the folks in Texas and what's your recommendation of what they do?

[F]

All right, before I do that, I want to back you up on thanking Rob Sig and Parker Sig. And I tell everybody out there, watch Real America's Voice. I said, do you know these guys have never once told me what to say or maybe more importantly what not to say. Not once. And I'm coming up on my three year anniversary at ref. No, that was not the case at Newsmax. Let me tell you something. At Newsmax, they were telling me, trying to tell me what, now I'm not there anymore. But what to say, what you can't say. It was totally controlled. And that's not a way I operate. These guys are fabulous on that front. So one, I would say tune in to Real America's Voice, get educated on these issues on all the shows. We've got a great lineup all the way up and down. And the biggest threat facing America are our big blue cities. You mentioned Soros. We have radical district attorneys that are not prosecuting crime, that they are sanctuary cities in cities like Dallas and San Antonio and Austin. And if it gets too out of control here, there is a chance that Democrats could take Texas. I don't think it's coming soon. I do believe, and maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I do believe that Republicans are squarely in control of, of Texas. But my biggest warning would be don't get lackadaisical. And Steve, I hate saying that because I don't want anybody sitting on a couch saying, oh, all right, we're in control. I don't need to go out and vote because they are coming for this state like you wouldn't believe. And as you know, and you've been so instrumental in exposing these, these infiltration of school boards. That's what they want. They want the school board. And so at your most local level, I guess my advice for Texas is, it is for every other state is get engaged, get involved and see them coming they have told us they're coming, believe them when they say they're coming. And now we just have to stand firmer than they are.

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Grant, your social media, where do people follow you 24 7? And what time is the show on?

[F]

So 7pm Eastern time right here on RAV. My social media platform is Stitchfield 1776 on just about everything, whether it's X or Instagram. And then my Rumble podcast airs at noon Eastern time. And that is great as well. So I urge people to check it out. Stitchfield 1776, there's the website you see grantstinchfield.com that's grantstinchfield.com you can find me everywhere.

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There.

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A transplant, but someone that embodies all the best virtues of the great state of Texas. Grant Stitchfield, thank you so much for joining us, taking the time.

[F]

It's a pleasure coming on with you, Steve. I always love it. Thank you.

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Thank you, sir. You know what Grant said about rav? It was the first week we launched with John Fredericks on his radio station down in Richmond, my Hometown, back in 2019. I think it was the first week of September. Something on War room impeachment, Warren, Texas, same thing, kind of. You start with this period. We were going to run all the way through the impeachment because nobody believed President Trump was going to get impeached. We had to kind of tell him, hey, he was going to get impeached. The raft folks, because they had seen us down at the Build the Wall. They had done some of the conferences down some of the great work on the We Build the Wall project. They approached us, I think at the end of the first week, said, hey, can we start streaming this? I said, sure, let's do it. Not once in those six years, five and a half, six years, have they ever, ever, ever said anything. But we do and are just very helpful. In fact, they helped US launch Warham, Texas in about 72 hours. We're going to leave you. This fight is the fight that we have to win. We must win. They've targeted this great state. Why have they targeted this great state? Because it gets to the heart of the American experience historically, and it's the springboard for the future. Stephen K. Bannon, War Room, Texas we're going to be back in the war room tomorrow morning at 10:00am Eastern Standard Time. We're going to leave you now with the searchers.

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